Socket AM1 - Aging Horribly!
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Hello and Welcome to another Budget Builds Episode where today wel'll be taking a look at the Athlon 5350, one of the best AM1 Series CPUs just to find out how well theyre performing in 2019....Cause around 5 Years ago everyone was trying to shove these into whatever Budget Build they could.
So join me today as we investigate how the CPU Faies, as both an APU, and with a Dedicated Graphics Card. From PUBG through to titles like GTA V we investigate just what the best of this platform has to offer....and why I am not so keen on it in the modern day.
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Specs: Athlon 5450
iGPU (HD8400/Radeon R3)
16GB RAM -1366Mhz and 1600Mhz
120GB SSD 
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![Veeze - F.A.F (ft. Rylo Rodriguez) [Official Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7hlz2S2GmIY/mqdefault.jpg)
Here are some of my choices explained for those of you who are questioning some parts of the video.
OS - Windows 10 was used to give us access to the latest DX12 APIs, I did also give the CPU a brief test on Windows 7 to see if there was any noticeable performance gain, and asside from a small increase of snappiness on the desktop, the performance was the exact same. So regardlesss of Windows NT based OS you shoudl see similar performance to this within margin of error.
GPU Chocie - Pairing this CPU with anything more than a HD5770 would result in the same FPS,m the idea was to see the maximum extent of the CPUs performance, and using the AMD Fury alowed this even if it was overkill. I did also run a brief test with a more basic HD7770 and it yielded the exact same results.
CSGO - CSGO has been around for about 7 Years? And during that time it has been updated a lot, because of this it has become a lot more intensive due to some areas of the game being expanded, and the game becoming more bloated in nature (same goes for TF2 etc.... and Other Source Games thta have been heavily built upon). So I understtand if back in 2014 you guys got 60Fps in CSGO, but that was 5 Years ago. Just remember that on release a Pentium 4 could get 30+ Fps Consistently, my old C2D Based Laptop could get 40-60Fps back in the day. The game has been updated, performance is as shown. I cant fake filming the screen...
Media Performance - For those of you who dont make it to the end of the video. I praise the CPU heavily for its Media Decoding, and generally good server capabilities, stick this in a HTPC and you're good to go. My point of the video was more to do with the people who used to recommend this for gaming.
I take a lot of factors into consideration when I make these videos, and I can assure you after spending well over a week using this APU, and only this APU I hjave tested the most optimal settings, with optimal hardware, and other enviromental options.
Hope this clears up any of your issues. Cheers
@@MrSamadolfo Provided you're aiming for 720/900p thats the maximum id pair with it.
You can compare with the Athlon II x2? The 5530 appears to have a very inferior performance compared with the previous generation
Is that a Pink Floyd album in the background I see?
@@nickrandall2281: Both Delicate Sound of Thunder and A Momentary Lapse of Reason are in the backgrounds of the video. Good spot
Budget-Builds Official hey do you have an email? Cause I’d like to email you pictures of my vinyls.
Bbo: "I'll be putting basic specifications"
*Adds 16GB ram*
Its DDR 3 ram so technically it's basic
damn, ive got 3gb of ddr2 ram
@@vodliedood3385 go on eBay u can get a 8gb kit for around $20
@@randomweirdyoutubechannel8955 ye thing is, my motherboard is 12 years old and the max ram that i can put in that mf is 4
@@vodliedood3385 oh unlucky
2014 5 years ago... man that went by quick...
sadly yes... 2014 still feels like just some months ago
I'm glad Next Year is 2012 tbh
Budget-Builds Official yeah, I'm glad it's not 2020 :-P
*everyone felt that*
Oh boy, are you going to hate to hear what I have to tell you now
you almost did a Linus on that power supply
stop.
Russian Terminator 💀
@@noodled6145 no u
@@noodled6145 no u
@@Psythik no u
There is one area where AM1 made sense: Homebrew network appliances! It was significantly faster than Atom CPUs of the day in terms of raw IPC and it offers AES-NI for accelerating AES which was missing on Atom at the time. Plus, you could get it on a board with more than one PCIe slot like the ASUS AM1M-A which made systems with large numbers of NICs possible on the cheap.
Nah I rather stay with atom
@@santiagosoriano7222I have a Celeron J1900, would recommend
I had a closer look, and it appears to be the same sort of APU that you can find in the t620 HP Thin Client! I reviewed the t620 Plus last year and it has that same 4 Core Jaguar CPU with around 2 GHz and Radeon 8400 type graphics. I installed Windows XP and with the integrated graphics got around 60 FPS in Far Cry. Installing a GeForce, the scores basically didn't change, so even in that old game, the CPU is a huge bottleneck. I tried Windows 10 and with a GT 1030 it ran Grid Autosport with just over 30 FPS Medium Details. For Media Playback I found it to be average, for example the outputs can't do 4k60 and while it accelerates the H264 stuff, it really chokes on newer codecs like VP9 that RUclips uses, especially 60 FPS videos are too much. A dedicated GPU helps greatly here.
I subed
These are pretty much baytrail atoms but from amd and with a socket instead of being soldered.
Win10 is too much for the Chip. the 4 Cores are horrible limited by the single Channel IMC
with this apu i'm able to decode h265 1080p with only 20-25%cpu usage on windows media player classic, the same file on kodi have 100% cpu usage and less that optimal framerate.
I have one of those and with a gt 1030 i can get rainbow six running but I really need an upgrade nonetheless
*Nostalgia...*
Not for the APU, I meant for the Pokemon Gen 4 music.
ayy, diamond, pearl, and platinum are fire
Still the best generation
@@sokadensoosok5901
Big facts
Veilstone city I believe
Oh god the nostalgia of repeatedly losing to the Final 4.
AM4 will be the same as 1155, it will hold the "budget king" title for the future and last the test of time, the r51600 will age like the i73770.
The great, GREAT thing about AM4 is how many great CPUs it supports and will support in the future. 1155 was great but it only supported two generations of Intel products and the first was arguably better than the second. AM4 has already gotten two, the second actually being an improvement on the first, and will get at least one more and in all likelihood at least one more after that (probably a 7nm refresh in 2020 that may see crossplatform suppoort with AM4+ or whatever the next platform is called, which may support DDR5, but this is all speculation on my part). Really, the only real pity about AM4 is that the motherboard manufacturers just don't seem to be giving it the care it deserves. AM4 motherboards more often than not just aren't as good as their Intel counterparts, and some manufacturers haven't even made a true high end AM4 board. For example there's no MSI Godlike for AM4. And those are the kinds of boards meant to carry AM4 into the future like they did for 1366. Speaking of Socket LGA1366, it's funny because AM4's "real name" is PGA1331, almost the same amount of pins as 1366, and both sockets are best known for providing a high number of cores for a low price, so that's almost a better comparison than LGA1155, really.
I think it will be more like Phenom series.
Psychol no
stop.
@@noodled6145 make me
Budget is invulnerable to low fps. A true hero
eighty D To be honest I am as well
@@WingDings_666 Haha if I'm not hitting 75fps (what my monitor runs at) I don't stop tinkering until I do
The issue with this one in games is exactly the lack of L3 cache.
I honestly doubt that it is the sole reason because my athlon II x4 651 doesn't have any l3 cache as well but performs much better.
@@user-qi6ox7mv8v Doubt all you want, but your Athlon II X4 651 has 4 MB of L2 cache, while the Athlon 5300 series has only 2.
And that is on top of the 50% more clock speed that you have.
@@AndreiNeacsu Well, that's a fair point, but I bet there are more flaws on the level of architecture itself.
UPD: A quick wikipedia search confirmed a detail mentioned in some other comments: this chip is pretty much derived from Jaguar apus used in consoles. Therefore, I think it is simply not optimised for operation under Windows. This also may be the reason why despite poor performance in other tasks it is not too bad in the media playback department.
@@AndreiNeacsu
The 5350 is a shared cache though, so each core gets the 2MB, while the 651 has a strict 1MB per core, which is hugely wasteful. (just like the PentiumD vs the Core2Duo)
That huge 33% deficiency in clock speed (assuming a similar transistor count) is surely the biggest factor.
I would bet #2 then is the 5350's lack of multi threading, which causes those 2Ghz cores to frequently sit idle for several (and sometimes hundreds of) cycles at a time for every cache miss (or stall), etc. that occurs...
Both of those issues will hit performance in every single task by around 33%, while a lack of High level cache, even if both were shared, would only hit certain tasks...and for those reasons, it would be hard to confirm just by looking at performance...
There's no L3 in my Athlon X4 870K either, and it does much better than this. Having more cache of any kind would help the 5350, but the low clock speed and the fact that Jaguar was basically an updated K8 design hurt it more.
For a 25w 2-2.5ghz quadcore platform, this actually ages well for a DIY Router using PFSense, since they require AES-NI with later revisions.
he's a liar it was fm1 not am1 because 2014 was am3 socket not am1 and jaguar never made it to pc it was scrapped for the desktop variant for higher clock speeds
These were never meant for gaming. I believe they were designed for budget web browsing or developing countries. I had one for my main office computer just to web browse and word docs which works just fine.
I do also mention this in the video. And praise it for these aspects
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial Yes you did. I found it surprising that people were recommending it for budget gaming computers. My comment wasn't directed to you 🙂
Understandable. Hope you enjoyed the video
I used this platform for a FreeNAS server. It's perfect for something like that. The 5350 is equal to a core 2 quad Q6600 (which consumes 4x the power) which was about the same price at the time (used).
I'm writing this on a 5350. This processor had an IPC about half of current ryzen/core Ix. @2GHz is like a 1GHz (fixed, no turbo of any kind) 4 core processor. BAD.
But there is a bright side. Multiplier is locked.. well.. 97% locked. For some unknown bizarre reason is posible to set it at x21 and you can bclk overclock from there. EVERY SINLGLE 5350 reaches 2.7 GHz on stock cooler, at least every single one I tried. Some (not me) has reached 3 GHz or more.
But the thing is with base clock risin everyting rises, CPU, GPU, memory, everything. Once you pass 850MHz on the GPU system becomes unstable.
Anyways, the uP is overclockable by a 40% for free, on stock cooler, rock solid for years. You should test it that way.
There was a 5370 model too, everything the same but with x22 multiplier. Never seen one ever.
I have 2 running as servers. Im gonna play around and try this this weekend.
Thnx.
This guy is absolutely correct, when properly Overclocked this CPU is capable of some rather amazing things. Pair it with a GTX 750ti and you have a low power budget build that actually performs pretty admirably. I paired mine with an Asus micro ATX board and 8 gb of 2100mhz ddr3. I actually managed to get near that ram speed too despite the architecture officially only supporting up to 1600 MHz.
Yes but this soc has a better IPC than a Bulldozer FX.
@max enzo yeah, they are awesome. One has been running a pfsense box for years without hicups.
And the other is a nas with some vm's on it and a raid card with 8 disks. Also no issues and sufficient power if you stick to gigabit connections.
Recently put one together from my old ryzen 1700 box as well. That thing flies in comparison though.
But yeah, should be expected offcourse.
But is nowhere as power efficient, those athlons run on 10 watts or so. A little more if i'm pushing near a gigabit of bandwith or using the disks.
I did try the overclocking stuff a while ago and it does work. But for my usecase i didn't need the extra horsepower so i put it back to stock. Powerusage goes up so yeah, no poi t in runni g it like that if i dont need it.
But yeah, these are awesome for what they are.
where do you buy yours? cant seem to find one for a decent price
When your cpu is so lightly powered that you can take the cooler off and almost use it like that. I don't get how in 2014, amd got 4 cores in that low wattage anyways, but I guess the performance shows.
I saw the date on the pc and thought it was month 25, day 3. I live in the us.
@@milk-dog It should me Day Month Year. You guys got it wrong. It isn't Minute Hour Second is it for example?
@@lolcat in that case it would be year/month/day
My core2duo e7200 be like
@@lolcat Or it could be year/month/day, that way it works better to organize files.
But yeah Us writes the dates so strangelly. Why the heck the most important info is in the midle and not in the left or right? The month is the second most important to know, why it does some first?
I made a budget HTPC with this CPU back in 2015, honestly for the price at the time you really couldn't ask for anything better
You sticking in that fury in places it shouldn't be.....
Deserves more of an ATi Fury from the late 90s.
@@classic_jam Itll bottleneck it
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial Darn!
Oh hi
@@noobulon4334 oh hello
And here I thought having an FM2 "gaming" pc was bad enough, I respect your sacrifice for the progress of performance benchmarking, props to you good sir
"FM2" and "Gaming PC" should be mutually exclusive terms.
Had an fm2+ PC for my first "custom built PC ran all the games I wanted great just like most old systems you don't run modern games on them and your golden the whole trend of trying to get 10 Plus old cpus to run modern games is insane 10 years is computing is more like 30 years it's obsolete for a reason
@@DJdoppIer if my sub-30 frames were anything to go by, they absolutely are mutually exclusive
Nice Pokemon diamond song in the beginning :)
yes!
Veilstone City.
Theres another one close to the end
I never did bought this one because I saw a picture on /g/ from 4chan and they put this as their shit tier list back then.
Thanks 4chan!
/g/, as dumb as it can be, has its moments.
Hey, considering how badly did this Jaguar chip aged, it isn't too inaccurate - *now* it's "shit" tier in gaming (albeit not in other applications)
That awkward moment when you realize this is the cpu our developers are dealing with
Yes, I think that the new Zen 2 based CPUs in the next console generation will have a great impact compared to the crappy Jaguar cores, although the consoles had 8 of them, not just 4 like this cpu
Well at least the consoles have an extra two cores to work with
This is the same architecture, but less than half the processor. Xbox One is literally twice this in both CPU and GPU, but with faster memory. The PS4 is twice the CPU, thrice the GPU, and both running at higher speeds.
not quite. whiles they have to put up with the terrible IPC, and low clock speed of under 2ghz to go with it, there's still double the core count, and double the L2 cache to work with.
still a slow CPU tho
@@dexthegamer3234 still double the cores doesn't scale to twice the performance in the most of cases (and games). Of course faster memory could help a lot
7:35 - "Although maybe you might be able to tweak it to work. I don't think you can."
Paging LowSpecGamer...
Ah the wonderful music of Veilstone city from the Pokémon diamond pearl and platinum games. Love the music!
The one I built for my mother back when they launched (it was the fastest one, with 8GB, 120GB SSD and 1TB main storage) is still running fine for her needs, as in web browsing, her work stuff using office and HTPC. I chucked it all in an Antec isk 110 with its 90w psu and it never pushes it. I asked her recently if she needed and upgrade and she said that its still doing the job fine.
Not bad for a SOC that was meant for places and people where more expensive computers were out of their price range, just a shame they never really expanded on it even if it was only as a 25W SOC option next to their APU's and higher. I guess the got replaced with the likes of the Raspberry Pi since these released.
Sounds like a real good choice for a very low powered server type device. It was'nt really a high clocked cpu though at 2.05 Ghz, but you could at least passively cool it.
Yes, still have 2 of these as servers. Also makes a powerfull pfsense router. Nas, private cloud server, media box etc. That is where they shine. Just slam some old leftover ram and drives in there and it runs for ever for basicly free. And apperently you can push them to 2,7ghz..
I don't remember AM1 ever being good, even when it first came out. There were a lot of low end AM3/AM3+ options available at the time already, so it always seemed pointless to me to restrict oneself to a platform that had no upgrade path.
Everytime you say ATI Fury I have a little chuckle to myself.... It reminds me of the dream GPU I saved up to get in the 90's. The ATI Rage Fury MAXX
The GTA 5 footage gives me flashbacks to the time I played GTA 5 on my laptop (Ryzen 3 2200U, Vega 3)
Im stull running a AM1 system as a Router and its stable, Fast, and energy efficient.
and for router use it supports aes-ni that the lower power intel chips did not support back then
Perfect pfsense box. Also very good for a proxmox box with some small linux servers on them.
And use basicly no power at all.
I used an AMD Athlon 5150 for pfSense, OPNsense, OpenELEC (Kodi), OpenMediaVault and FreeNAS (right now), it can even do one 1080p transcoded Stream.
Thanks to its low TDP it can be cooled completely passive (Arctic M1 Passive) without getting hot at all :). But Gaming isn't what it's made for
I still have a system with a 5150 running in a shed. It does a great job running security cameras and a fileserver. As a side job its mining some Eth with a rx560, the heat clears some humidity. If i need to google something while im there thats also more comfortable than using the phone. Still rocking winamp to the stereo. Its the most stable rig i got.
I've had a 5350 as my file server for years. Great for low power use!
Also makes a good emulation /Linux rig!
I'm looking at buying a little PC with one of these chips in it to use as a mini NAS running OpenMediaVault or similar. Do you still use yours or have you upgraded? Would you recommend it?
Lovely video, I love your filming skills. Thanks.
Fantastic video! Brough a big appetite for this Socket :D
imagine your system being so utter trash that valve themselves issue a VAC ban.
Still using my i5 2500k from 2011, overclocked it to 4.2 ghz and it works great for most games. Its just started to age badly and I bought it almost 10 years ago.
Loving the pokemon music in the background, so nostalgic
I am very happy. Brilliant video dude.
Love to see AM1 being talked about anywhere, most of my friends think it's some fever dream I made up even though I have a 1.45 ghz sempron running a freebsd fileserver for six years straight
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Another cup of tea ready lol. I'm out of my Typhoo with all of the uploads you've been doing!
Ive just ran out of PG Tips, about to pop to the shops to get some.
Yorkshire tea for me
@@raihanislam912 Yorkshire tea all the way, I want my tea strong not dish water.
You only get an 'ooh' with Typhoo.
Reminds me of one my first builds which was a socket 939 with an opteron 180 on custom water cooling when there was only a handful of companies producing water blocks for the purpose and DFI still made consumer motherboards.
Good video. Keep up the good work.
I use an AMD Athlon 5150 for my Home Server with 8GiB RAM, for that it is perfect (even faster that my Intel Celeron N3150)
My wife uses this CPU and her GPU card went out and has been reduced to using the on-chip GPU bless her heart it is such trash,, I have a new rig ordered for her birthday.
Best of luck with the new PC
@@theonethatfliesfiller4098 Maybe he had a builder do it.
@@theonethatfliesfiller4098 True. I pay a builder because I don't have time to build, and dispatch an os. I'm a truck driver so...maybe this guys in the same boat.
Really appreciated the Pokemon music in the background :)
Very good video.
I bought into AM1 to build a computer inside of an NES Shell to use for emulation etc. It performed wonderfully for that, and even handled some of the source games well. But the board died so I stopped using it for a few years.
I eventually decided to get a new board and flip the parts out for a quick sale and make a few bucks. I was surprised at how bad it did with games with 8GB of Ram, 256GB SSD and RX 460. Thankfully the person who bought it was just using it for youtube videos and a kids homework PC, so it worked out fine.
That said I have to disagree a bit that I felt that the desktop experience wasn't as bad as you're saying, but the gaming performance just completely surprised me...how could it go from being so good at 1080p etc 3-4 years ago, but then hit a wall so hard?
Great video's as always, cheers!
I got one for HTPC use back in the day with 8gb and a 128GB ssd, did the job pretty well in the 90w Antec isk 110. I ended up giving it to my mother as the case had visa mounts and could be put on her tv, where she still uses it today for web browsing, email. skype and MS Office.
Its a shame it never went further, as there are no real modern versions of PC and mobo for around £60, though the likes of the 300g are its kind of spiritual successor, but you don't get the £25 mobos for that.
We need a core 2 quad vs phenom ii x4 video!! It will be fun to see which one will be the better option for low budget pc. The intel vs amd battle but... 10 years ago in today's eyes.
well as far as platforms go, I'd take the AM3 as then you can get a x6 and the lower x6's are barely more than x4s
Intel socket 775 dont can play modern games. Because a special funktion from the CPU doesn't exist
AM1.. throwback to the Athlon computer I had that blew up in my face. Love it.
my big tower is even older, still runs ubuntu fine, has windows 10 which i seldom use.
Thank you for the pokemon music in the background
owo whats this, an upload from Budget :)
Hehe I got one of these new back in 2015 new for a cheap media pc, still works great, especially for linux
Damn this really shows the power of console optimization. The ps4 and xbone have to run on 8 of these cores, and while 8 is more than 4 that would only be at best a 2x fps increase over the figures shown in this video, and thats not even mentioning the fact that the console cpus are clocked slightly lower and i think games might not even have access to the full 8 cores.
I just know I am not the only one binge watching these :D
You Totally Forgot How bad the Sempron 2650 is I mean I use It 😭
This thing can barely run youtube
@@djaysenpai use h264ify addon and it will play youtube just fine
You don't even know how bad is to have a amd duron 1200 or an intel atom n455 as your main pc...
I use the 2-core Sempron aus Unify controller and for backup. It is slow but does the job
i had an sempron 3000 lol i played crysis on him x.x
I build a PC with the 5150 for my dad. I tested it and it even struggled to run dirt 2, the 2008 one not rally 2.0... But for what he use it is "good enough" lol
I bought one. I use it as a media centre, and running emulators for 8 and 16bit systems. It's perfect for a living room PC connected to my TV.
I have a dozen of these in standby to cover xp machines used on old industrial systems, is perfect for XP because it has drivers even for USB 3 and HDMI with audio which is not common for XP era, also they are great for a small Linux fileserver due to its very low power usage (26W with 2 4 tb drives, at the wall)
I love this apu , is probably one of the best cpu i have bought so far (i also have an Ryzen 5, an i7 2600k, a couple of mobile i3, a C2D e6600 and athlon 64). but this one cost me only 35 euros, 28 for motherboard, 30 for 8gb ram and is a perfect htpc, retrogaming or emulator (up to psp). Try to do the same test on the intel equivalent Atom Bonnel or even the later Silvermont...
gta 5 takes me 5 minutes to load with a nvme ssd and 7700k
i thought it was just me
@@CountlessPWNZ nah that game is utterly autistic. I'd love to hop on for 10 minutes and just fly around in my jet, but it takes that long to get into the game, and that's if matchmaking doesn't screw up.
M.Streicher it’s really not that bad
That choice of music... Nostalgic!
Back then I bought the Celeron J1900. It's slower but at 10w TDP it's almost 3 times more power efficient and it's fanless, so it's way better solution. I still use it today as my HTPC, connected to my 4K TV. Last year I installed a GT1030, since I needed 4K resolution and HEVC hardware decoding. The whole system is completely fanless and is powered by a 60w DC adapter. Love it.
TDP only matters for peak load scenarios
I wanted to mention that the FX series actually aged more like fine wine than anything, and was a very underestimated cpu line that didn't shine until they got old
This CPU is a capped processor from consoles such PS4 and XOne, maybe a full 8-core AM1 CPU is better for gaming, sadly we never will know that, like the "probably"/myth about a 6 and 8 cores CPU's for FM2+ platform, we never will see these myths...
concordo
its a quad core native die, consoles use these in a semi-custom way, same cpus but 2 of these and a big gpu in a single die.
Viewtiful!
I remember wanting one of these for a media center PC when they came out, though a friend warned me that they wouldn't handle hardware youtube full HD video deciding (the Radeon IGPU).
I had one of these, used it for a light weight file server at first then it eventually became a pf/opnsense router. Its pretty solid for the basics like that.
You should go on and do an FM2 Richland CPU next. I can donate an A8-6500. Love the vids, dude.
Cheers,
-E
I could donate an a6-5400k I suppose.
Sad you didn't do a cinebench run however i found one, 110 CB is low powered celeron for mini PCs or cherry trail atom performance. How would it do streaming steam games? Might be a use for it? This is one odd CPU, well done sir, just don't let it scratch the pink floyd ;)
Also i am sure this socket was fm1
Ha! Thanks for this revisit! I remember eyeballing these back in the day as I was looking for a low power alternative to my Asus C60M1-i based file server. With it's 9 watt TDP CPU (3w at idle) it was an amazing little server that sipped power. We're talking 6 drives loaded up and less than 25w total at idle. That was the good news, the bad news was.. I'd shoot myself in the face if I had to use it as a daily driver. Oh my god that 1.3Ghz Dual Core was painful. lol But as a little network NAS / Server it was perfect. Even streamed movies just fine.
Never got around to picking one up due to Price (didn't hang around long so limited supply jacked up prices), 25w TDP (not exactly as efficient as my 9w TDP C60), and most of the motherboards only had 2 SATA ports. Almost. Anyway... thanks again for the walk down memory lane.
Nice use of the Pokémon Diamond/Pearl Veilstone City soundtrack ;)
it's kind of weird. I built a machine for my partner 5 years ago. And it still holds up for her (5350@2.2GHz, 16GB 1680Mhz , SSD, Geforce 1050Ti). I recently installed Generation Zero, and the platform was able to run the game at a locked 30fps on 1080p Ultra Settings. Are you sure you were not having any massive Windows Updates/Defender etc running in the background while gaming? Doom (2016) sticks around 40-60fps, locking it to 30fps makes the game more consistent while offering the ability to run at Very High settings at 1080p. Sure, 30fps isn't good by any means but it will give the platform the headroom it needs to play games at 1080p with pretty settings. I can easily play Rocket League, Paladins, Dirt 3, Overcooked, Bioshock Infinite, Prey, Doom, Wolfenstein II, Hellblade, Generation Zero. It isn't that bad for a 5 year 25W underpowered APU with a 79$ pricetag for the cpu/mobo-combo :) I use the very same platform as a survelliance server, samba file server, web server, ftp server. I runs mostly at ~1GHz :) It actually works really well to this day. I would love if AMD did a really downscaled motherboard for the AM4 platform, similar to AM1. The Athlon 200GE with a 32$ mobo be great for these kind of builds.
AM=AMD
2, 3, 4, 5...=DDR type
AM1 is just the customer facing name, its actually socket FS1b
Socket FS1 is for laptops using a PGA socket (like intel using socket G2 around that time).
Jaguar cores (later Puma and Puma+ were designed for low power, low cost entry level laptops to fight Atom.
By adjusting TDP and core counts and clockspeeds you get many different SKU's and models with different codenames like Kabini, Temash, Beema and Mullins.....but effectively still budget laptop parts.
More expensive higher end APU's with dual channel and higher TDP's were Richland, Kaveri and Carizzo on the FS1+, FP2, FP3, FM2, FM2+ sockets depending on laptop or desktop.
Socket FS1b is effectively "hey what if people want to use these laptop cpu's as low power desktops"?
...But you can't expect people to remember FS1b so instead they called it "AM1" to symbolise a low end desktop under AM3+/AM4.
Effectively a Q6600+gt710 but for a fraction of the wattage and power draw and size that you can buy new with warranty so if you just wanted to tinker or build a PFsense router or NAS which many still do today.
(I have one in the kitchen as an entertainment system with a 120GB SSD+1TB HDD in a 4.65Liter case connected to bookshelf speakers, has 45GB of music/music video playlist, web browsing for recipes or other videos when making mojitos with buddies).
Gotta love that Veilstone theme.
I have this CPU in a mini-itx build connected to my non-smart TV just to watch stuff on netflix, youtube & other internet streams and it works well for that purpose. I built it years ago and its still works for that purpose.
I have the 5450? i think. Its the heart of my 1080p TV's and speaker for streaming and movies in my bed room all while running on a laptop power brick. Gaming is laughable if its anything from the last decade. I love it though.
Using Pokemon music in the background?
+1 Quality
Love that Veilstone City theme
Yup, Totally overlooked or missed that whole Socket AM1 Biz.
Wait... I've seen laptops get hotter than that using less power with far more heatsink surface area and a fan... and this CPU runs on 25Watts just passively heatsinking into its own IHS?
Damn, laptop market really needs to step up its game.
Problem is stupid sizing down of the laptops, You cant cheat laws of termodynamics while making it thin af. Thermal throttling is common place. And when paired with HDD as only storage you are in for hell of sluggishness, hardware lag and long loadings of everything, everywhere.
r/wooosh
This comment wasn't supposed to be taken literally lmao.
But tbf laptop heatsinks do have a whole lot more surface area, oftentimes cooling a 15-watt intel chip with a 20 or 25-watt turbo TDP. These low power AM1 Jaguars must be insanely thermally efficient, probably due to running ultra low voltage if I had to guess. Jaguar's very capable of running higher clocks afaik, but the voltage curve isn't favorable up there. The PS4 and XBox Ones likely needed the heatsinks they have, to handle increased voltage for a pretty much 99.9% yield even on early Jaguar wafers. Makes sense from a business perspective to have AMD make a low voltage silicone design, and then pump way more voltage in to make even the low quality sections of the wafer usable. Not so great on the end users' electricity bill though.
@@kmemz
r/ihavereddit ;)
Back to topic... That, and his one probably was already throttling.
i built a few computers using these cpus. my boss ordered the parts and we sold these computers for 500 dollars. they seems ok when setting up the computer but i doubted
they were good. even then lol.
So i've got an Athlon 5350 on an asus mini itx board, looks like the same AM1i-a was used here. 8gb of free 1600mhz DDR3L C9 and a cheap SSD. The mobo *AND* cpu cost like £30 new because on clearance at two different retailers. Have a retail AM3 heatsink fanless on it. The whole PC cost £55 to build and makes no noise. It's been a great Linux machine alongside my beasty gaming rig. Not fast, but not expensive. Upcoming upgrades to my gaming rig and hand-me-downs to the linux box will leave it spare, so i'm going to try to make a PfSense router with it. Still happy with the purchase. After all, the AM1 platform was intended as a dirt cheap thing for 3rd world markets. It was never intended to be powerful. 4 jaguar cores.
loving the pokemon music
Quality, Budget Builds + kebab = very very fun time yes
thomas kelly
It’s 12am and you got me hungry, thank you.
@@Ikram232 Same
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial Same
Cheap enough, it could be a good option for a dedicated minecraft server I guess... pair it with a cheap 120Gb SSD, a light linux distro and ethernet conexion and there you go.
I have one of these I put in a BTX form factor HTPC/Emulation rig a few years ago! I can vouch for the fact that it does not hold up well nowadays! I think not having dual channel memory is a huge hindrance especially as the CPU and GPU have to share what little bandwidth there is.
the 2014 4th gen core i still hold up so well today in 2023
Anthem load up would be fun if you like paint drying viewing
Picture this: people had to optimize an open-world game to run at 60fps with two of these sewn together. And they did it. Forza Horizon 4.
What AMD CPU had two of these sewn together?
The Xbox One.
@@dyter424 One X specifically.
Tbh I’ve one of this puppies and I used it for an always-on htpc/miniserver/dvr all at once for my mother, no problems under linux mint, the extra cores are handy for workloads specified above, the media decode is still good enough for a nice Netflix experience and browser performance are very decent since she does not have more than 7/8 tabs open. Still kickin in 2020
good video. I like it
Ouch. Even an old Phenom II X4 955 has way more performance, DERP
Mine is a AMD phenom 2 (HDZ550WFK2DGI) 3.1 GHz dual core which is replacing a dual core AMD athlon @2.6 GHz
Even My Old Dual Core Pentium runs Better than That
@Dalle Smalhals I'm not Talking about Pentium D. I'm Talking about LGA 775 Dual Core Pentium which is Equivalent of Core 2 Duo
@Dalle Smalhals yeah but it's starting to showing its Age. I'm Currently using Q9300
Sounds like my Phenom x2@x3 550 BE with Radeon HD 5770. Although this cpu is like 10 years old and think it ran better, I managed to finish Witcher 3 on it at FULL HD resolution and I think it ran better than on lower res, I had like 10-30 fps in this game. In GTA V I had 20-30 at FULL HD. In Dark Souls 3 I had like 10-20 fps or maybe worse, definitely there was a lot of stutters and crashes but also I managed to finish it, also I had like 1k hours in Path of Exile which also was a slideshow and 15-30 fps in Guild Wars 2. In every game I think I had better fps at 1080p than on lower res, I only had 4gb of ddr3 1333mhz ram which definitely added up to the shitty experience.
do a video on the amd a4-6300 apu
It's horrible
Great video.
I'm really surprised how much more consoles were available to get from this uarch.
great vid :)
so basically atom cores
a bit better but yeah that was made to compete Celeron J series and it did very well.
actually I think the 6 and 8 core FX cpus actually aged well...well relatively well, better now that games take advantage of more cores compared to back in the day when it was 2 or 4 core max
I get the dislike, and I'd take a sandy bridge i7 over it any day for gaming, but........they aren't the awful things people like to joke they are
it really comes down to how cheap you can find it
Fully agree about the 8 Cores, the conern is that 1155 is so cheap that to find an AM3 Based System cheaper....Well it just isnt likely in a lot of countries, and even more so if you factor in Aliexpress etc...
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial I mean I did have a guy basically throw a fx 8100 build at me last week. I messaged him to offer sellinh adivce over his ad, he says thanks and offers it to me at dirt cheap. Fx 8100 l, 8gb ram, high end mb 750ti 600w modular psu.... $55 after I traded him an old keyboard and a pair of speakers some dude had given me for free a few days prior.
Only downside....from a smokers home so I had to clean it Alot.
If I had needed a pc....I would have 100% have been down. But I didn't so I broke it up and flipped the cpu/mb/ram for $120. Kept the gpu to put an a dell xps 8100 I'm picking up with a i7 860 to sell and then used the case and gpu towards a 2500k r9 270 build I'm selling
Those weren't even "cores", per se. The modules performed basically like half a core. (e.g. An 8-"core" FX performed like a quad-core competitior and a 4-"core" FX performed like a dual-core competitor.)
@@cardboardsnail you've taken the issue and exaggerated it too far
there were cores...they just shared resources. And they lost to Intel in IPC anyway
so yeah, they didn't operate as well as true cores....but they sure as heck existed.
Rather than compare them to Intel, you would have to compare it to a Phenom 2, so a Fx 8000 series wasn't losing to a Phenom 2 X4
Intel wins anyway due to much stronger core performance so a saying a 4 core fx was akin to a dual core intel in performance isn't down to core skepticism....it's due to shit IPC
4 core FX would still win hands down at productive over an intel dual core
@@bluescluessuperagent There is no exaggeration -- the benchmarks both past and present indicate as such
Hearing the Jubilife City theme again gives me life
AM1 saved my ass back in the day, when my phenon 2 x2 MB just broke, I was broke and needed the cheapest possible new cpu.
*A C T I V A T E W I N D O W S*
Notably the socket, likely to keep that 25 watt TDP, does not support dual-channel RAM. That, along with its various other limitations, also limit performance in games.
I think it's still a wonder though. These things are extremely thermally efficient, even to this day, for a x86 processor. But you sacrifice a lot of performance for it.
Ran this processor as an xpenology nas, with Plex server for 1080 movies, worked really great. Currently use it as a stand alone offline Kodi media player. Tempted to run prime os to try and get my Wyse cams some offsite backup.
I have my 5350 in a little htpc box in my bedroom as a media box. Works great ! 35 watts from the wall watching movies on an external hdd.