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The Tudor Black Bay 58 is the Biggest Bargain in Watchmaking | Watchfinder & Co.
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- In 2017, Bremont introduced its new diver, the Supermarine S301. At 40mm and adorned with tidy little details, it presents a budget entry to the premium dive watch market at a little under £3,000. It’s a fine watch, if that’s what you want, well-built and well-spec’d. But what’s that got to do with the Tudor Black Bay 58?
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4:42 When the Tudor showed up and the dials were side by side it was like goin from 480p tv to *1080p FULL HD* 😂
Press F for the Bremont
The Tudor has raised markers but a shitty aluminum bezel vs the Bremont's far superior ceramic bezel.
@@Nayr747 the BB58 nods to the past where bezels were aluminium. Ceramic is something of the modern era
@@MattVLRocks Which is fine, but there's no denying aluminum isn't as high quality of a material as ceramic so that adds some justification to the Bremont's price and makes the Tudor less of a bargain by comparison. Even so, the Bremont is still overpriced compared to all the sub $500 watches out there with ceramic bezels, ETA movements, domed AR sapphire crystals, etc.
@@Nayr747 when you ding your Al bezel it'll be dinted and scratched. When you ding your ceramic bezel it'll chip or shatter. The colour may fade over time but really "quality" is only relative.
"to get somewhere, you need to be at least somewhat decent..."
Yet Daniel Wellington exists
MVMT 😒
Christopher Ward 🤢
@@MrCliteatswood what's wrong with Christopher ward?
@@mathijs1144 Nothing. It's a brand that is "cool" to hate. Talking shit about the logo makes you more knowledgeable or something.
Daniel who?
Did this man just referenced Shrek's green ketchup from the 2000's?? He's certainly a man of culture
This has nothing to do with Shrek...well that took 30 seconds of my life...time well spent.
the fact that the Tudor exist for that price clearly shows that rolex watches are absurdly overpriced
most luxury watches are absurdly overpriced. At least with Rolex you get value retention
Michael Bishop If buyers are willing to pay for an item, the item isn’t overpriced for them.
@@gregsolovieff6711 yes all market driven hence Rolex have the premium
yea but u can wear a rolex for 5 years and sell it for what you bought it for; therefore not losing a penny.
Jimbob Saveloy If/when I buy a Rolex, I doubt I’ll sell it ( unless a change in circumstances absolutely necessitated a sale). It would be considered an appreciated/appreciating asset.
Worn my black bay for about 1 year, literally never taken it off in that time. Absolutely love it, has kept my Sea Dweller off my wrist since I got it.
can you play tennis whilst wearing it?
I got my 58 about 3 weeks ago. It hasn’t left my wrist... Love it.
It is a great watch! Enjoy.
Congratulations -- one of my favorite watches of all time.
congratulations Calvin. what is the MSRP on it? thanks.
@calvin, I’ve had mine just over a week. Did you also get the warranty extensions ?
@@sidesauce Cause it uses 904L steel which is more comfortable than 316L
01:30 a.m
"I should sleep"
*watchfinder youtube notification
Well... i can sleep later
02:30 here :(
I love my BB58! I purchased it as my Planet Ocean has become irritating to wear over recent years due to its shear size. I purchased the Planet Ocean when I was much younger when bigger was better! I just love the simplicity of the BB58 and the fact that I forget I’m wearing it. I also like the fact it’s understated.
The BB58 is the best watch Tudor have made in 20 years.
It wears so much better than the slab like BB’s
It’s a classic with a nod to the original Submariner.
Agreed for the 2012 version with Tudor Rose logo !
I’m glad somebody has finally done this comparison video. Also highlighting the many key points as to why the Tudor black bay is an essential watch to have in any collection.
Went for the bremont as it has a ceramic bezel and a fair bit rarer than a tudor. "Downsized" from a rolex explorer 2 polar and I prefer the warm look of the bremont. Both brands shamelessly market - but prefer bremont's military connections over david Beckham.
Had the fortune to try these back to back last week. My head said Tudor, but my heart said Bremont. But the vintage inspired dive watch that I'll be going for... The Rado Captain Cook. Not even close to either of these watches, but there's just something about it that captivates me. Vintage done right.
@O BOZ Must be in the minority, but seeing a BB58 for the first time after 2 years of hype was a bit of a disappointment. It's a fantastic watch, but just didn't wear that well on my small wrist due to the flat case shape. The BB36 on the other hand wore so much better. Another underrated watch.
I’ve got the BB58 but am looking at the Captain Cook too. Looks great for the price
I feel like I have read this before... I was literally about to link this video in your post on UGWC
@@Want300 😆 did you get a sense of deja vu? I couldn't believe when this video came up yesterday.
@O BOZ it was for me. Urban Gentry Watch Club (ugwc) Facebook group. I put up a post last week comparing these 2 watches (well, the S300, but close enough).
I've had my BB58 for a month now, after a 9 week wait for delivery to my AD in the UK, and I absolutely love the thing. Perfect size for my small wrist. With a new in house Tudor movement and great looks to match it represents very good value for money in my opinion.
Truly a remarkable watch, I've added one to my collection early 2019 and when I wear it I can't help but smile every time I look at my wrist. I'm still praying that Tudor will one day make a Black Bay 58 GMT 🙏.
Ditto, 58 GMT (traveler's GMT) would be perfect.
Mahmood Hammad 58 GMT is good shout.
I’m in 58 GMT camp.
👍🏻
@mahmood hammad my money is we will see at least one more Black Bay 58 whenever they release the Baselworld watches. They’ve put too much money into the in house movement not to make more. Could be the GMT. But my bet is on more colors in the meantime.
Getting mine : "Tudor Black Bay 58 Stainless Steel Bracelet Watch", delivered this afternoon. Just for a heads up, the price I paid was £2760.00. Ordered online 3 day waiting time. Looking forward to getting my hands on it.
I just got mine yesterday my first ever piece!!!! You reckon it will go up in value ?
One of the best videos in a long time Mr. Hand. I am no fan of The Bremont brand. Everything about the English brothers seems "car salesman-like," but that is a freaking nice piece. However, next to the Tudor, one has to ask .... why so expensive? why! On, the other hand - the Tudor BB58 is absolute perfection, from price to style to movement to...everything.
C J. Not perfection. That Aluminum bezel sure can be improved.
It is pretty, looks a bit like a Blancpain from a distance
C. chelious agree. But, for that price? Impressive, no?
I have just sold mine Tudor Black Bay 58 and that was weird because like this god in this very best watch youtube Channel says the Black Bay 58 is simpelt an Amazon watch!!
Especially the size! And the looks BUT BUT BUT I am one of those weird types that isnt too Big on rolex and Tudor and I never felt this connection to tHe BB58..
I loved everything about the watch but I simply love the brands of Omega and Zenith more..
I have studied brand marketing and how it affects the consumer to buy this brand instead of the other brand..
For instance I prefer Adidas over Nike.
And I prefer Omega and Zenith more than Rolex/Tudor because Hans Wildorf wasnt a watchmaker but a businessman where omega and zenith for instance was a product of true watchmaking in some sort of way..
I have just decided I’m these past few weeks that my collection should only have these watches :
Zenith defy classic with blue dial and blue rubber strap.
Zenith el primero 1969
Omega speedmaster
Omega seamaster 300 (the vintage look one) or the really vintage looking from 2017’s trilogy set!
Omega aqua terra 150 with blue dial and blue rubber strap..
These watches have a deeper connection to myself but others may have it the other way round..
I really want to own a Blancpain Fifty-Fathoms 38mm diver one day..!
I Am more of a vintage Rolex than modern if I had to own one..
Thanks again for the amazing videos dear watchfinder.co.uk ! You are the best of the best!
Best regards
Malte Brask from
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When the Tudor showed up , it was game over !
The tudor has a steel bezel does it not?
And the Bremont has a ceramic bezel does it not?
I have used my Bremont on some of the roughest dives and it is still working like new and it is several years old. While the Tudor is great for those that cannot buy a Rolex it would never be the first choice as a genuine hard diver.
Tudor is Rolex Homage watches with no history
@James Tudor
I would never take a steel bezel watch over ceramic coating.
Rolex use ceramic on their dive watches and Tudor is for people that cannot afford a Rolex but want a Rolex.
My Bremont diver has stood the test of time and has taken a lot of abuse. My grandfathers post ww2 Rolex still looks great and I know that will never be the case with cheap Tudors.
@James Tudor I don't own neither, but the Tudor is really overhyped, cheap steel bezel, cheap fake rivet bracelet, gold plating, good in house movement but no finish to it Breitling made it even better by decorating it and finishing it. ETA2892 and 2824 ARE legends especially Chronometre thats why superior brands like Breitling IWC and others use them. This video again more hype on Tudor to sell, they're just ok, Rolex Homages since Hans bought the brand and that will never change.
@@bighands69 I have this Bremont in blue, it's the only ceramic bezelled watch I have.
The bezel and the sunburst dial are stunning.
spot on review. i have a BB GMT and my friend has a 58. the 58 is so much nicer in the flesh than it looks on camera. anyone who is thinking about getting one but hasn't seen one in real life just order one they are beautiful.
I'll take the Bremont over the Tudor any day, Styling wise its no contest, IMHO the Black Bay is just a slab of steel with notches cut out for the bracelet and the riveted bracelet itself although well made looks cheap and dated. Is it a good solid watch? of course it is, but does it have any kind of style or uniqueness? Not even a little. So sure if you want a good solid watch that looks like everything else and scratches just as easily the Black Bay is great, but I'd rather have something more durable and less cookie cutter in its design.
The Bremont is a bit over priced...I see some flaws in the close up shots..
Agreed. I have the BB58 (and Panerai, and Omega) and it has me rethinking the whole Submariner wait-list thing.
Eric Nielsen, submariner is a whole other level. Trust me, it’s worth the wait.
Bought a Tudor BB58 Blue and absolutely love it! Did an extensive research and it's really one of the best watches on the market right now .
I'm very lucky enough to have a Milgauss (I like it) and the Harrods Black bay and honestly, I find myself wanting to wear the Black bay more and more. I still love the Milgauss but the black bay just does something for me that the Milgauss can't. My only gripe is the bracelet, it isn't as comfortable as the Rolex bracelet. The BB is also a shit load more accurate. 4 seconds in 1 week against the 15 for the Milgauss. My 2 pence worth.
The macro shot at 1:03 tells me everything I need to know from this watch. It's not a buy...
So scrappy. The lume application is absolute garbage.
"With a Disney level romanced tale of vintage aircraft" lmao. Is there anyone left who does not think Bremont's cooked up origin story is cringeworthy?
and likely bullshit
The father of the brothers who started the company died in that plane crash. That would be one hell of a lie.
@@Nayr747 you're confusing 2 of the stories. Their father dying in an earlier plane crash is not related to the decision to name the company after the French farmer Antoine Bremont
same with the creation of " Bell & Ross " ... what an aviation heritage... since 1992 LOL
It’s a carbon copy of how Rolex marketed all their early watches, particularly the Explorer which never made it past Everest base camp.
I picked up my Bulova Royal oak with the ETA 2892 for £500 and a Heuer diver for £300 and went on holiday with the change
I was luck to find BB58 on eBay almost 1.5 years ago paying only a slight premium. Haven't left my wrist since especially because the first day I wore it I had a first date with my now partner :)
It's an AMAZING watch. Get compliments all the time and it wears so subtle and well.
Lucky watch now then! 😊👍🏼
What colour?
Tudor on weekdays.
Omega or Rolex on weekends.
Other brands every other day whenever I feel like taking another one for a spin.
I never have to be apologetic when I wear Tudor. That's why it gets the most wrist time.
It's not as flashy as Rolex or Omega, yet it's every bit as decadent and storied in its own reserved way.
Kyle L Totally agree on that
For me the best bargain watch at the moment is the often overlooked Longine Conquest automatic... 39/41/43 case of the HydroConquest with the same 300m rating, but without the silly diver bezel - Longine L8.88 ETA2892 based movement with 64h power reserve for around 1.000,-€ MSRP is a steal compared to other Swiss brands!
thinking between Longines HydroConquest or Oris Aquis Titanium... I prefer the Longines ... but might get a 25% on the Oris and it is Titanium. What should I do? My first watch.
Baz Adam - I would go Longines, but this is just my 2cent
@@SkysaxonDragonslayer lookwise the longines is much better tbh ... but material and movement wise ... is the Oris much better?
Baz Adam - as far as I know the Oris uses a Selitta SW200 which is a ETA 2824 clone and the Longines has an ETA 2892 reduced to 25.600 bph for 64h power reserve...
I agree entirely. I wear a black 41mm hydroconquest as my daily and my wife a white 34mm conquest. They are fantastic.
Excellent video and how these two watches compare. I bought my son a BLACK BAY 58 after Christmas in IOWA on the bracelet. We have vintage watches, but this is his every day wearer.He loves this watch and can not believe the quality,fit and just how beautiful the 58 is. Simply stunning.
Just picked up a Black Bay Bronze (2016) new in box. Very excited!! Will get down before Christmas for the Black Bay Steel (Red Bezel)with bracelet.
The Tudor is fine if you can live with the snowflake hour hand, but I can't. The Tudor has an aluminium bezel... at that price it really should be brushed ceramic. How about servicing and parts costs (could be about even)? Bremont make about 8,000 watches a year. How many do Tudor make, 100,000/year, 200,000k per year or more. For rarity and exclusivity Bremont wins hands down. I don't know if Watchfinder has ever covered a Christopher Ward but they have their own in house movement too (I'm going to duck for cover now I've mentioned CW). Personally of the two I'd go for the Bremont because it just looks better and that Trip-Tick case is amazing.
The Tudor line-up is so strong. I absolutely love my GMT. It is my first "fine watch" and I couldn't think of any other watch to (hopefully) start my collection!
Same. It's my first "big buy" and it's an excellent starter. In house movement, good tech and its lovely to look at. Having a second time zone is also a plus.
@@chinchinche do you have it on the leather strap or on the bracelet?
I've got it on bracelet. Bought an after market leather strap for it too, but haven't felt the urge to swap it out yet, so the strap has been sitting in a drawer for a good many months.
@@chinchinche Try the leather. I have it on the original strap and I have not missed the heavier bracelet one day. I also like how the leather complements the overall vintage styling of the watch
Got mine on Sunday I just wanted to see the BB blue in perso and they had a GMT on a Bracelett there. It tickled, i just had to buy it and i love it so much.
Enjoy your GMTs great watches love them.
Best regards from a watchlover
How about the 300M Longines Hydroconquest for $1950 CAD or £1400.
You get a custom ETA movement with 64 hour power reserve. £1000 less than the BB58 and a pedigree spanning back to 1832. Forgot to mention that includes a laser etched ceramic bezel, unlike the BB58’s scratch-prone aluminum bezel.
A friend of mine spent a fortune on a Black Bay 58. He's very happy, but the aluminum crown is extremely vulnerable to scratches and bumps, even to the wear against cloth! Not really up to the price.
Longines hydroconquest ceramic 2018, 41mm same movement as the Bremont, a very good brand, 1400€ almost 3 times less money.
@Marcquise White watchfinder called them the best value swiss brand you can buy right now, so believe whoever you want
I had all 6, 41 and 43 mm, black, blue and gray in my hand and the quality seems good. Not Rolex or Omega quality, but for the price... The best bang for your buck.
i’ve never felt so proud to own this watch, your videos really do give it the justice it deserves!
Just received mine two months ago from the Ad and it’s phenomenal. It’s truly my favorite watch. Fit, finish and appearance is hands down. It’s truly my one one watch for everything.
The BB58 is a classic
I think the Omega Seamaster 300 M offers even better value and it's only priced at 270 $ more (Chrono24, new, Europe): ceramic bezel and dial, higher water resistance, crown guards, more adjustable bracelet, better accuracy parameters, more anti-magnetic, display case back and arguably better finishing. BB wins on design mostly :)
True
I absolutely love my BB58 ! It is perfect ...the color scheme is so warm and sophisticated and the size dimensions fit my 6.75 inch wrist like a glove . It killed me when I got my first ding on the bracelet !! I find myself wearing it less in order to preserve it but that goes against the purpose of having this beautiful watch!
Did you happen to try on the regular black bay? I have the same sized wrist and really
Like the red bezel BB, but I’m worried it’ll be too oversized for my wrist so I’ll be “forced” to go with the 58
@@anthonypurpura8505 :
Try looking for a Christopher Ward C60 Pro 600 in 38mm with a red bezel. They come up in the auction site every once in a while. I have a 6-5/8” wrist and it’s perfect.
The black bay isn't only a technically better, cheaper, more prestigious watch, it's also better looking. There's no match, picking the bremont over the Tudor is just pointless.
I think the looks are subjective. Yes the Tudor is technically better. But for me, I hate the snowflake as I only ever look at the hour hand then, and I think an aluminum bezel is cheap looking compared to ceramic. I like the pop of red as well if it is between these particular models. It is the Bremont for me in the looks category by a long shot.
Is the Tudor technically better? Movement aside, what does the Tudor offer that the Bremont doesn’t? Bremont is tested to destruction, has a unique case that is also tested beyond its capabilities, it’s hardened steel is harder than any other watch of its price and genre and its crystal has 7 layers of anti reflecting coat. I think the Bremont gets a rough ride in this snobbish forums. It’s a great watch. No worse than the Tudor. Tudor has the might of Rolex behind it and sheer volume and economies of scale in its favour. Hence the price disparity. When people who actually know what is what look at the real nitty gritty, this video really is pandering to that bias. Both are great watches. Simple
Mattia Santangelo: I completely disagree with your whole statement. The BB is not technically better at all, it's not more or less prestigious, and its looks are subjective. Picking the Bremont is as pointless as anyone paying anything more than the cost of a $10 Casio to tell the time. I never understand why certain people feel like they have the duty to belittle the choices other people make, it's not like they're spending your money, or somehow removing your choice. At the end of the day both watches are "nice" and present a great choice to the person who choses them.
Two years in and I’ve yet to see one in person.
I actually lol'd at some of your jokes in this video and had to turn to my wife and say "oh my god I'm a watch geek I just laughed out loud to a RUclips watch joke!". Well played.
This channel is one of the best things on RUclips. So nice to hear refreshing non-biased commentary.
Came back to add - those printed markers on the Bremont are horrid.
Look up who owns Watchfinder and you'll find there's nothing non-biased out there ;)
There are some damn fine Sinn’s about that are worth a mention. My 104 for instance, and the 903 is arguably better than The Breitling Navitimer that’s nearly 3x it’s price.
104 is a confusing one. Is it meant to be pilot/tool watch? Yet the all polished finish messes it up IMO
Wilson . Good point. Air, land and sea watch but a bit of a scratch magnet. Mmm!
Or you could just do what I did 14 years ago and buy yourself a Seiko Flightmaster, the original SNA model. Mine the rare 413 blue,white and red version, but the black 411 will certainly turn heads. I think maybe I'd like one of those. As for this review, way too many silly comparisons. The so called better watch falls 100 metres short of it's rival. Let's talk about that. But more importantly, why with your smooth silky voice are you promoting Tutor? Still getting some of that Rolex "love money". Take my word for it, and I know most of you won't. Get the fuck out while you can. These folks are hoping to hell you buy into their BS and purchase this product on the hope it appreciates but it won't, so that they have a new avenue with which to sell used watches. Tudor's will suddenly be worth much more than you paid for them. Want to know the long and short of it? If the mechanical watch market ever fails, your purchase will be essentially worthless. In the short term, they never actually have the popularity that the Rolex brand has and thus don't really appreciate.
@@michaelhughes3302 Are you drunk?
@@jeeefthegreat7555 Well let's try to not be subjective shall we. In the age, when watch craft began to rise in popularity and big complicated watches were all the rage. The Breitling Navi was the king of watches to have. It dominanted the marketplace. Knowing that I could never afford one but still being a fan of the complicated flight style I instantly became attracted to the Flightmaster. No other watch displayed the same presence. Granted $600 at the time was a lot more than just about anyone else was prepared to pay for a wrist watch. A pretty penny in 2003. I bought mine for full MSRP $575cdn plus tax off a dealer. And yes, after over a dozen years on my wrist I am very happy to conclude, it is ever the conversation piece among watch enthusiasts and more importantly, just about everyone else thinks it's the bomb. Being a genuine watch enthusiast yourself, you know my SNA 413 blue and white panda dial Flightmaster is pretty much the stuff of dreams regardless of price. There are probably more Rolex Daytona's available for sale at any given time than there are Blue, White 413 Flightmaster's. That's a fact.
great watch, love the smaller size of the 58.. but after wearing both the new and the older model.. i had to go with the first release.. the smily dial and tudor rose.. just looks perfect its completes this watch. the eta movement is fine, and can be serviced by anyone for next to nothing.. when the movement is not a piece of art like an ap, jlc, fp journe, a lange and sohne or patek.. i think the rest of the watch matters more than the movement... thats what im looking at all day
I like the Bremont. It has an interesting case design and wears well, does not scratch easily. You have to be careful with the Tudor, its a scratch magnet. Tudor have made a pretty but delicate watch. Bremont have created at tough watch, suitable for purpose.
Bremont are investing heavily in UK watchmaking, has anyone checked out their new facility they are building in Henley upon Thames. They are working on an in house movement and will be making them in the UK. I own 1 Bremont the Boeing Type1. It's a daily wearer, tough, accurate, shock resistant, does not easily scratch, and i'm happy to be investing in UK watchmaking.
Full marks to Bremont for even being in this comparison. It's a beautiful watch, more waterproof and very nicely detailed, with a heart and a soul. It's also so much neater and clearer and more subtle, and the dial lacks the really gaudy indeces, logo and extensive narrative text which clutter the Tudor dial. One day, the cognoscenti will be using the B-word a lot more than at present.
I actually like both watches. They have their own thing going on
What the hell is this channel? I don't even like divers but his beautiful camera work and soothing voice... damn, I want a Tudor Black Bay 58 now.
Macro shots in this video are incredible (let's not mention HH quality, this feels better).
I've had a 58 for more than a year now and it never gets old. On bright days I love just looking at every square mm of the dial. The texture on the black is so nice, your video highlights it perfectly...
Ahhh, the old 'cod to lobster' saying.
Daniel Bennett hahahahahahah
0:53 Bremont with Disney Level romance tale of aviation... what a heritage 😂 LOL
😂😂😂
Thank you for the very thorough review and comparison. I was almost considering the Bremont, but have decided to purchase the Tudor. My friend also mentioned the Tudor as a great watch. The fact that it basically is a Rolex for 1/4 the price or less make this a substantial bargain.
Its nowhere near Rolex quality, many corners cut compared to a sub
Hammal Amiri it is, rolex has brandname
@@ibrahimhakan i own the black bay 58, ive borrowed a Sub , im sorry but the difference is huge. Sold gold dial furniture ceramic bezel , better polish on the 904 steel , better bracelet / clasp , more weight , better water resistance , maybe the tudor movement is better in terms of power reserve but mine crashed and has gone back to tudor.
Hammal Amiri you dont know much about watches sorry
@@ibrahimhakan lol, he seems to know much more than you.
Tudor Black Bay 36 will be my first big boy watch!
Same! August.
Great video. As a proud owner of a Tudor BB58 I absolutely agree with your assessment of this wonderful watch. I owned a Rolex Sub for 10 years then sold it a few years ago. I wondered whether buying the BB58 would mean I would lust after another Sub.....the surprising answer is........I don't 👏👍
I love the Black Bay 58! I love it! Want one so bad...
In time, I will. I know I will
Calm down bro it's just a watch
Go for it! And be ready couse a few more will come my friend.
Go for it! I decided I was having one, it was proving difficult to find, then unexpectedly saw one on display at Garwick Airport while waiting for my flight. Bingo!
@@desertknights5003 for the record, this channel is NOT for people who consider it "just a watch"
Think about that for a sec
@@davids9549 I have an idea of a little collection in mind. The BB58 is on my list for sure. Been chasing a Datejust 41 blue dial for a while. No success yet but I'll keep looking
I sold my Black Bay S&G a while ago because I found the case way too thick.
I went straight out and bought the BB58 and don't regret it.
Tudor hit the sweet spot with this thinner 39mm case. If they use this same case for a new 2020 Black Bay collection they will blow everyone else in the price range right out of the water!
Mido Ocean Star Diver.
Chronometer + silicone balance-spring + ceramic bezel + engraved numerals filled with Super-Luminova + Lacquered Dial + water-resistant up to 600 m + 80 hours of power reserve. Price $1700.00
I've said it before and I'll say it again - your videos are top drawer. Absolute gems optically and additionally your way with words is both captivating and exciting. You're a master at making time pieces seem even more significant than we already think they are. Your stories are intricately woven into the information you want to deliver and overall your content is just exceptional!!! THANK YOU!!!
Another great video. Thanks! I own 2- Tudors & I’m thrilled with them. My favourite is the GMT Pepsi.
I wear a Tudor GMT on the leather strap, and haven’t stopped smiling since i bought it over 12 months ago. Tudor watches are simply staggeringly good timepieces for the money.
I recently got gifted a Victorinox Inox, and I have to say; I'm blown away at what they've accomplished. Worth a review?
Ohhhhh, why did I not see this earlier to really understand what Rolex's strategy is. After the successful re-launch of Tudor, they saw an opportunity to move Rolex even more up market and have Tudor fill in the gap on the lower end without having to rely on the brother strategy. Tudor is well on its way to becoming its own brand. It has strong design elements, in fact some are even innovative compared to Rolex. The Tudor in-house movement, effectively coming from Rolex, gives Tudor higher credibility than any competitor who uses an outside movement. I believe Rolex has purposely shifted resources to Tudor production and marketing to see if this strategy will work without really increasing their overall annual spend. A very smart financial move at this time of uncertainty. At the same time, they have limited supply of Rolex watches as they increase prices. This allows Tudor to established itself fully as the go-to watch in the "entry" level of strong horology watches. Tudor then becomes the brand the average person aspires to in a higher level watch than a Seiko. Rolex's prices will have increased to the point where the gap between Rolex and Tudor is so great that Rolex will be able to reap the higher margins of their new up market position.
Karl_M I had similar thoughts. Makes perfect sense
@Jack Moulder Agreed
I remember seeing a Bremont display in what can only be termed a “gazebo” some many years ago in a field at the Goodwood Festival of Speed.
The boys have done pretty well since then.....
While I have been drooling on the BB 58 for a while now but the Bremont does have a presence ... and if I dare say - arguably a less cluttered dial ... the more I watch this video ... the more I find the gold edges on the BB to be a tad overkill !
They refuse to add the date so I'm going with Bremont.
IIRC, the Longines Hydroconquest features an ETA 2892 for a fraction of the cost of the Bremont. Love that Tudor tho ;)
Longines hydro conquest is an excellent watch!
Great video, I love my Bremont . Great design, toughened steel case, super accurate and many more great features.
The BB58 is nice, really nice. There has been so much 'noise' surrounding it. I was able to try one on in an AD in Ireland. It was on the Tudor nato. From the off it seemed small to me, lacking presence. I love dive watches, but I really see them as a tool. Slipping under a cuff is not a prime requisite for me for a dive watch. I would be more inclined to go for the original Heritage. Now you don't hear many people say that, do ya!
I'm totally with you. I chose the Heritage BB Black over the 58 mostly because of the contrast between the gilt on the dial and the silver on the bezel. The gold on gold on gold just didn't do it for me, and the 2mm difference in case diameter just didn't really jump out at me. Also, I feel like the thickness of the "regular" BB is played up a little too much. In my experience, if it's not worn on a nato, the bubble back pretty much sinks into my wrist. I haven't had any trouble with this watch slipping under a cuff. When I do put a nato on the watch, I actually prefer the larger size of the Heritage. Smaller watches (39mm and below) generally kind of strike me as odd looking on nato and zulu straps.
Tudor is absolute best value in the market In the 2-4K Range, and that’s why I’m a huge fan of theirs
And then you have Oris as an option. They make mighty fine dive watches as well
That Bremont looks like a modded SKX
I think Tudor brand heritage, price, movement and applied markers are the strong points along with resale value if applicable to you.
Bremont has the better case ceramic and easy service to the movement.
Think the Bremont should be about the same price
I have a tudor pelagos which I picked above the bb58 I am poised to buy another watch the Bremont has my attension for one reason being I have the pelagos. I think the snowflake hands go so much better with the square indicies of the pelagos and look a bit off in comparison with the bb58.
If I did not have the Tudor already I would go for the bb58 but as it stands Bremont is my choice sometimes the 'underdog' wins
They are both good
I bought the Black Bay Bronze slate gray dial on a fabric strap and I love it!
Has the microphone been changed? Sounds very artificial, somewhat metallic and overall not as nice compared to older videos... These were a pleasure to listen to.
That Bremont printing is shocking... the macro really hurts my eyes on that super marine.. The 58 rocks
I've gone for gmt instead of 58 because of date and gmt function, but Tudor makes some quality watches and they are also very experimental. Excited to see what to come next
It’s a decent bang for the buck that’s for sure.
Also a shout out for the Tissot Gentleman Automatic. Yes, Tissot. I bought mine as I got interested in the silicon balance spring 25 jewel hacking ETA at the price. Way under £1K so a decent knock about everyday under the radar piece. So far it’s really outperformed for its level. They down tweaked the rate to squeeze out 80 hours of autonomy and guess what. It hasn’t been outside of 2 seconds of variance in 5 days and counting. That’s ridiculous. It’s performing better than my Rolex 3135 (+4s/day) but, most gutting of all, it’s more accurate than my Rolex new gen 3235 (+1.5s/day) with about 10 hours more power reserve. And at a tenth of the price. Now that my friends is true bang for the buck. The black dial on black strap is also aesthetically pleasing with full integration, even a black date wheel. This watch looks like a JLC Master Control Date (well, you get the idea) and has a very subtle sunburst effect that doesn’t show in most indoor situations which is cool. Yes, it’s not from the top tier manufacturers but it’s a Swiss Made piece. Show me a better watch with this performance at the price. None. The swatch group are trickling down the sexy tech to the lower tiers, maybe the market is shifting in this direction.
I finally got my Tudor 58 last month and yes I did pay over retail price through watchfinder & co but it was so so worth it, having it on your wrist is such a joy. It’s beautiful, classy and above all for me it’s on par with submariner if not better. Tudor ! 🙌🏽 Bravo!!! 👏🏽👏🏽😉
LoL ... love the “it’s a Tudor... blah blah blah blah...” I can so relate to that conversation! lol
Love your videos .... thank you!
I have a 7.5 inch wrist, is the BB58 too small?
Yo reviewer bremont comes with hardened antiscratch steel n date.. bb58 only looking better.. its not a better watch compare to bremont
Have had my name on the list for one of these for ages and finally got to try one on a couple of weeks ago.
It was truly disappointing - just didn’t ‘speak’ to me. Obviously that’s a very personal thing and agree with everything said here, but didn’t like it. I also thought it wore much smaller than the specs and pictures suggested.
I actually think the Bremont is a cleaner design, but would worry about how much of the price is marketing cost, which won’t translate to value. Need to try one on too!
I had the exact same feeling with the Rolex Explorer. I was lucky enough to be in a position to buy one. I loved the pictures of them. A stunning watch. But when I tried it on, it just didn't do anything for me. I was genuinely disappointed, as I really wanted the watch. Funny thing is, I still love the loon of it in photo's, but on the wrist it was a no. I would only have been buying it for its rarity, which would have been all wrong. I said no, and let someone else who would really appreciate it have the pleasure of buying it.
To be honest, you can’t go far wrong with Victorinox INOX watches. They are tougher and go through more rigorous tests than most far more expensive watches. If My life depended on one watch it would be the Victorinox INOX Professional Diver not the dandy expensive Beau Brummells of this world.
Yeah okay. Lol!
I would disagree. I have a black bay and feel let down by the quality. Yes it's a good watch but Tudor is way overpriced
Love my BB58- owned it for 3 weeks tomorrow, on the wrist every day, and only +2 seconds over 20 days thus far.
I wouldn’t call the Tudor “bargain basement” in price
That Bremont is freaking beautiful..
Not at all.
4 years later and it’s quite something to see where both brands are now! Quite the divergence.
I think the best bargain chrono today is the Breitling Navitimer 01, especially on the preowned market. A brilliant design, a legend, a classic and to top it off, an in house vertical clutch, column wheel movement!.
Bremont's best performance is making Tudor look good here
Bremont is a genuine hardcore dive watch the Tudor while it could be used as a dive watch will have problems with the steel Bezel.
😂 Bremont's Disney level romance tale of aviation ... LOL
@@bighands69 I wear my S300 a lot more than the 58.
I dont dive but i spend a lot of time outdoors and wouldn't even consider the delicate looking 58 for that role.
@@bighands69 like anyone ever would dive with either of those haha
That was just mean spirited. Poor Supermarine is crying itself to sleep somewhere right now.
Love the Bremont S302
The Bremont is nice but you can get a $230 Phoibos that has the same features. Same movement, same domed AR sapphire crystal, same lumed ceramic bezel, same depth rating, etc. It's not really a fair starting point to compare against the Tudor since it's massively overpriced compared to other similar watches.
Your not getting a Chronometer movement for $230!
@@NathanChisholm041 If you want accuracy get a quartz with atomic sync. All mechanicals are crap by comparison.
@@Nayr747 I do I wear a Casio Gshock GW-B5600AR-1! It has both sync from Mb6 and Bluetooth connection
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The BB58 will hold its value over time.
Bremont needs to rethink it's price structure. I'm not impressed with the finish.
Bremont are tough as hell and are genuine tool watches. Just so that you understand Tudor go with steel bezels on their watches and this means they are more likely to scratch which you will do if you dive.
No need to bash on the ETA2892 Or Chronometre 2824- They're phenomenal movements in house or not and especially modified by Luxury brands like Bremont IWC Breitling they're the best movements out there. I own the 42 Superocean 2824 modified and it is a work horse like no other, super accurate plus 1 sec every two days. Nothing wrong with luxury ETA guys the IN HOUSE Movement thing is overrated
Another online watch expert says the Tudor in house movement isn't in house at all, but actually made by a separate company set by Tudor. If this is true, any reasonable person would conclude 'in house' is mearly a marketing gimmick, thus misleading and untrue. As a lover of mechanical Swiss watches, I'm very concerned about this. what does Watchfinder think?