21 accidents of Fokker aircraft since 2000 ... The Fokker 50 operated by Jubba Airways took off from Baidoa, Somalia, for a passenger flight to Mogadishu, Somalia ...2013 Compagnie Africaine d'Aviation Fokker 50 crash and these. Kish Air Flight 7170 Luxair Flight 9642 Malaysia Airlines Flight 2133
Aviation Safety Network states in their reporting article that the same crew repositioned the same plane to Nairobi Kenyatta airport the day before this flight and unbelievably the CVR picked up the same warnings being presented to the crew as the ones they had during takeoff on the day of the crash. The investigators were astounded that even on the flight the day before there wasn’t even a conversation between the flight crew regarding the warnings and what their significance could be. 😮 Obviously the crew made the repositioning flight without incident so we will never know why the crew didn’t react to the warning system. I’m at a loss for words…How did this “Captain” fly for as little my as he did and not manage to kill himself or others before July 2014 🤷♂️
5Y-CET CVR Transcript 3:23 CAPTAIN:Power is set. 3:28 CAPTAIN:Auto feather is off‚ left. 3:42 CAPTAIN:You see. 3:44 CAPTAIN:It has gotten to? 3:47 F.O: The left one is 30. 4:08 F.O:122 now.... torque. 4:13 CAPTAIN:It is rising eh? 4:29 CAPTAIN:Do we abort or continue? 4:33 F.O:Okay 112 and 94.3. 4:38 F.O:Okay 116... 94. 4:41 CAPTAIN:Yeah okay. 4:53 CAPTAIN: It's not giving power (eng 1). 4:58 F.O: Okay speed has now reached about 100. 5:11 F.O:VEE ONE 5:17 F.O:ROTATE 5:43 CAPTAIN: It doesn't have power.. it's on one side. 5:48 F.O:We can also turn back. 6:03 CAPTAIN:Ok.. we're ok? 6:07 F.O:We can turn back. 6:10 CAPTAIN: Let's just go. 6:13 F.O: Okay. 6:16 CAPTAIN:This one shows 114. We can turn back. 6:20 F.O:Ok. Speed is 100. 6:32 CAPTAIN: This one has nothing. 6:36 TOWER:5Y-CET contact radar 123‚3. Good morning. 6:41 CAPTAIN:Tell him we have no power. 6:45 F.O:Ah tower charlie echo...
Some strange CRM going on there. A 54 y.o. captain with thousands of hours seemingly deferring to an 800 hour junior f.o.? In light of all those warnings, why the hell would they continue with their take off?
@gregbarnlund: I believe you mean total ABSENCE of CRM. These were not pilots, but contraband smugglers Hell-bent on their delivery. "Captain" of doubts and deferring to junior says it all. I don't have to emphasize the 27 warnings in such a short space of time.
I was stunned to see what happened. A Fokker 50, it's virtualy imposible to crash. But given the foolness of the capt, they'd never be able to make V2 + required speed due to overweight. How can one continue well before V1 with a known engine failure... Ahhh yeah... unlisted stuff aboard... welcome to Coconut Airways, we'll fly anything anywear no questions asked.
At 7:06 you can see a sign that says “Junior School” in front of the building that appeared to be the most heavily impacted. We have to thank the good lord that this was a very early morning flight and that no children were in the school at the time. RIP to the crew, their families and friends. 🙏🏼
Was the Captain's plan to fly a 2 hour flight (actually longer since the airspeed would have been so low) with only 1 engine operating normally? Insane.
It's interesting that the investigators never mentioned the effect of not feathering the prop. They obviously should not have taken off, but the added drag of an unfathered prop would give them more of a performance hit than the added weight. Identify, verify, feather.
"Hey, let's put an extra 1000 LBS in the back. No one will know." These pilots certainly deserved to kick it, but I wonder if the other 2 crew were also in on the criminal aspect of it. I do prefer voice narrated videos but the animation and gorgeous sky/background was very good.
I did t see where they feathered the failing left engine. Without doing so with reduced power and additional drag the speed decreased to the Vmc speed thus the roll over to the left. The captain with that much time asking the FO “Should we continue?” Shows a total lack of command presence. Number one rule of being a captain “You don’t let the monkeys run the banana boat”.
For several months after, cats from all over Somalia converged on the crash site, cause it was catnip found in the cargo hold and in Africa, transportation of catnip is highly illegal.
it: it happened in a poor country in which planes are not the best anymore and they are used to small failures and to still fly with them. While a small failure in a richer country means "abort takeoff", a small failure in a poor country is more than normal and they expect to fly with a not 100% working airplane
Hey MPC, Can You Make a Recreation Of The *Indian Airlines Flight 440 Crash Of 1971?* And The *Transair Flight 810?* Thank You And a Good Day Or Night.........
I haven't flown for a long time however, I see these kind of videos and ask myself: would I have done the same thing? The answer is no, safety is paramount. When in doubt don't do it.
Appalling conduct by the Captain and F.O. Agree with below comments about Captain deferring to opinion of a nearly=rookie F.O. Something's up with this mess.
Such early signs yet they would rather risk it than stop and figure out what was happening. Get homeitis is the cause here. More effort to get the job done and go home than stopping and get home later. I wish they picked the latter. 🤷♂️
Could the “illegal cargo” be the huge bales of green plant material in one of the crash photographs? That could also have been the reason for overweight. They could have easily aborted the takeoff at several points in the takeoff roll. Numbskulls.
Jesus Christ!Where did the good man get his stripes.At he casino?Utterly incompetent.The poor first officer tried hard to advise him to abort.That guy was never apt for flying.RIP.
I want to know : 1. was the Capt. a good, honest white man or something else 2. why you mentioned the contraband w/o saying what it was 3. what mental shortfalls you have.
The cause of the engine failure (if it was indeed a failure and not incorrect operation) is unimportant. An engine failure at a speed below V1 should always mean rejecting the takeoff.
I will not watch any more of your videos you see I can’t read and you should have them narrated by somebody for people like me. Shame on you for not realizing that and remember, there’s a lot of us.
Absolutely ridiculous!!! No CRM, No airmanship and absolutely certain disaster from the moment the warnings began in the cockpit. An aborted takeoff would have saved everything and everyone. A classic case of who's flying the aircraft??!
These 'pilots' were completely incompetent and criminal as well.
Most of all these warnings were obviously well below V 1 ....
I guess they forgot about the impossible turn…
Incredible, the captain risks his life, instead of being charged with ilegal cargo
It's worth noting that the Fokker F50 is, and always has been, one of the safest passenger aircraft in the skies.
21 accidents of Fokker aircraft since 2000 ... The Fokker 50 operated by Jubba Airways took off from Baidoa, Somalia, for a passenger flight to Mogadishu, Somalia ...2013 Compagnie Africaine d'Aviation Fokker 50 crash and these.
Kish Air Flight 7170
Luxair Flight 9642
Malaysia Airlines Flight 2133
No aircraft can be self-aware against abuse when the pilots have the will.
It's when they fall out of the skies that they tend to go "Bump!"
Impressive video. Enjoyed the flight recreation and the running narrative. Excellent. Thumbs up.
Thanks for watching!
Aviation Safety Network states in their reporting article that the same crew repositioned the same plane to Nairobi Kenyatta airport the day before this flight and unbelievably the CVR picked up the same warnings being presented to the crew as the ones they had during takeoff on the day of the crash.
The investigators were astounded that even on the flight the day before there wasn’t even a conversation between the flight crew regarding the warnings and what their significance could be. 😮
Obviously the crew made the repositioning flight without incident so we will never know why the crew didn’t react to the warning system.
I’m at a loss for words…How did this “Captain” fly for as little my as he did and not manage to kill himself or others before July 2014 🤷♂️
5Y-CET CVR Transcript
3:23 CAPTAIN:Power is set.
3:28 CAPTAIN:Auto feather is off‚ left.
3:42 CAPTAIN:You see.
3:44 CAPTAIN:It has gotten to?
3:47 F.O: The left one is 30.
4:08 F.O:122 now.... torque.
4:13 CAPTAIN:It is rising eh?
4:29 CAPTAIN:Do we abort or continue?
4:33 F.O:Okay 112 and 94.3.
4:38 F.O:Okay 116... 94.
4:41 CAPTAIN:Yeah okay.
4:53 CAPTAIN: It's not giving power (eng 1).
4:58 F.O: Okay speed has now reached about 100.
5:11 F.O:VEE ONE
5:17 F.O:ROTATE
5:43 CAPTAIN: It doesn't have power.. it's on one side.
5:48 F.O:We can also turn back.
6:03 CAPTAIN:Ok.. we're ok?
6:07 F.O:We can turn back.
6:10 CAPTAIN: Let's just go.
6:13 F.O: Okay.
6:16 CAPTAIN:This one shows 114. We can turn back.
6:20 F.O:Ok. Speed is 100.
6:32 CAPTAIN: This one has nothing.
6:36 TOWER:5Y-CET contact radar 123‚3. Good morning.
6:41 CAPTAIN:Tell him we have no power.
6:45 F.O:Ah tower charlie echo...
Some strange CRM going on there. A 54 y.o. captain with thousands of hours seemingly deferring to an 800 hour junior f.o.? In light of all those warnings, why the hell would they continue with their take off?
Low budget perhaps?
They are hauling illegal substance, pilot wants to get out of there.
@@roberthenry9319 yes
@gregbarnlund: I believe you mean total ABSENCE of CRM. These were not pilots, but contraband smugglers Hell-bent on their delivery. "Captain" of doubts and deferring to junior says it all. I don't have to emphasize the 27 warnings in such a short space of time.
Contraband smugglers Hell-bent on their delivery.
I was stunned to see what happened. A Fokker 50, it's virtualy imposible to crash.
But given the foolness of the capt, they'd never be able to make V2 + required speed due to overweight.
How can one continue well before V1 with a known engine failure...
Ahhh yeah... unlisted stuff aboard... welcome to Coconut Airways, we'll fly anything anywear no questions asked.
It’s such an egregious case study that I can’t help but think that the crew might’ve partook a little on the “unlisted cargo”. 🤷🏻♂️✈️ 📦 🤏🏼😮
Mogadishu, 2014 = loaded with arms
At 7:06 you can see a sign that says “Junior School” in front of the building that appeared to be the most heavily impacted. We have to thank the good lord that this was a very early morning flight and that no children were in the school at the time. RIP to the crew, their families and friends. 🙏🏼
Yeah
Slick & stylish presentation - very nicely done! … 👍
Such a crazy series of crazy decisions to keep going. So many chances to stop this.
Enormous amount of lack of judgment.
Mind blowing they wouldn’t abort 🤯
Those two pilots got the other crew members killed. 😡
Did they feather the engine that was not producing power? I am guessing no.
Inexcusable! Zero judgement displayed. That CP should've never been in the left seat...or even the cockpit for that matter.
Why was he asking the FO whether to abort ?
@@grahamstevenson1740 I have no idea other than he obviously possessed really lousy judgement. It should've been a no-brainer.
What the use of having a loadmaster if he can't be relied upon to load the airplane above it's designed load capacity?
In Europe an "airline" like this would have been shut down by the authorities.
Was the Captain's plan to fly a 2 hour flight (actually longer since the airspeed would have been so low) with only 1 engine operating normally? Insane.
Was Rotate a command or a hope?
@@albeech5157 In desperation
Well ..... in some countries there is something like V-must 🥵
Reminds me of the Roberto Clemente crash where a similar overloaded, issue-plagued plane tried to go.
Why would you continue a takeoff with loss of thrust when below V1?
It's interesting that the investigators never mentioned the effect of not feathering the prop. They obviously should not have taken off, but the added drag of an unfathered prop would give them more of a performance hit than the added weight. Identify, verify, feather.
"Hey, let's put an extra 1000 LBS in the back. No one will know." These pilots certainly deserved to kick it, but I wonder if the other 2 crew were also in on the criminal aspect of it. I do prefer voice narrated videos but the animation and gorgeous sky/background was very good.
As we all too often used to say.. Africa Wins Again.
Left engine loses power. Plane pulls to left.
Abort takeoff.
How hard would that have been?
Loosing engines left and right and Caps says: Let's take it flying and see what happens....Crazy stuff
I did t see where they feathered the failing left engine. Without doing so with reduced power and additional drag the speed decreased to the Vmc speed thus the roll over to the left. The captain with that much time asking the FO “Should we continue?” Shows a total lack of command presence. Number one rule of being a captain “You don’t let the monkeys run the banana boat”.
Insanity.
what was the illegal cargo?
@@LBG-cf8gu could be illegal drugs, weapons, anything you could've think of
For several months after, cats from all over Somalia converged on the crash site, cause it was catnip found in the cargo hold and in Africa, transportation of catnip is highly illegal.
@@80sCrazyCatDadNGunAddiction ok,why it's illegal?
@@Randomly_Browsingcome on, you’re not really that gullible are you?
@@kcindc5539 I'm asking, since it's either a fire hazard or I remember catnips were poisonous to cats
it: it happened in a poor country in which planes are not the best anymore and they are used to small failures and to still fly with them. While a small failure in a richer country means "abort takeoff", a small failure in a poor country is more than normal and they expect to fly with a not 100% working airplane
Was carrying khat, according to Reuters news. Khat is legal in some African countries, but not all.
Great video!
Thanks!
Hey MPC, Can You Make a Recreation Of The *Indian Airlines Flight 440 Crash Of 1971?* And The *Transair Flight 810?* Thank You And a Good Day Or Night.........
well.. now that was a weird one.. Almost as if they thought they were in a simulator and not an actual plane.
Of course it was in Kenya.😮😮😮😮
When u get a warning you stop the dam plane
I haven't flown for a long time however, I see these kind of videos and ask myself: would I have done the same thing? The answer is no, safety is paramount. When in doubt don't do it.
One has to be impressed that 27 warnings were ignored. Bet that was not their first rodeo playing that game.
That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. You lost the damn engine why didn’t you Abort
By the sound of the ‘Captain’ when he hears the FO say “rotate”, all I can imagine is the captain spinning around in his seat.
What a complete moron😢
What kind of "illegal items"?
RTO……..enough said
They have taxiway and runway lights in Africa? Interesting!
Appalling conduct by the Captain and F.O. Agree with below comments about Captain deferring to opinion of a nearly=rookie F.O. Something's up with this mess.
Strange that they kept the Skyward part of the name. You'd think that would be a dead giveaway !
Seems like Groundward would be a more accurate name . . . Since they were changing it anyway
Haha, I flew Skyward Express several times in Kenya
Such early signs yet they would rather risk it than stop and figure out what was happening.
Get homeitis is the cause here. More effort to get the job done and go home than stopping and get home later.
I wish they picked the latter. 🤷♂️
Did they actually know how to fly??
SAD!
Could the “illegal cargo” be the huge bales of green plant material in one of the crash photographs? That could also have been the reason for overweight. They could have easily aborted the takeoff at several points in the takeoff roll. Numbskulls.
Madness 😮😮😮 so meney warings why continue to take of
Not much of an investigation if they did not examine the backgrounds of the crew
Yea that was stupid and avoidable
Illegal cargo, what’s that? DRUGS!!
It is inconceivable that they would abort the takeoff.
I meant not abort the takeoff
Probably khat for mogidishu
4:32 “ Do we abort or continue ? “…..surely the very fact you are asking the question means you abort……😮
Africa......
White man's magic in the wrong hands.
Great flight simulator
Amateur hour.
So ... drugs, guns, or illegal wildlife products (ivory, etc.)?
27 ignored wsrnings
Too bad that the Captain and FO decided that it was ok to also kill the innocent people aboard.
Jesus Christ!Where did the good man get his stripes.At he casino?Utterly incompetent.The poor first officer tried hard to advise him to abort.That guy was never apt for flying.RIP.
What about dumping fuel? Overloaded? Stupid crew, knowing that they should abort immediately.
Dumb. Just plain dumb.
Baruch dayan ha emet
Completely unprofessional and stupid pilots…
African crew and african airlines.......
Another normal day in African aviation. Avoid it if at all possible.
That was stupid
Abort and live.frustrating decisions
Unsatisfactory
Nothing good happens in Africa…
I want to know : 1. was the Capt. a good, honest white man or something else 2. why you mentioned the contraband w/o saying what it was 3. what mental shortfalls you have.
Corruption
This is why i dont fly.
Always keep blaming pilots. No word about the engine failure cause? Excellent video!
The cause of the engine failure (if it was indeed a failure and not incorrect operation) is unimportant. An engine failure at a speed below V1 should always mean rejecting the takeoff.
I will not watch any more of your videos you see I can’t read and you should have them narrated by somebody for people like me. Shame on you for not realizing that and remember, there’s a lot of us.
That is not as F50 It is a F27!
Every airline is temporary.
"play stupid game, win stupid price".
Absolutely ridiculous!!! No CRM, No airmanship and absolutely certain disaster from the moment the warnings began in the cockpit. An aborted takeoff would have saved everything and everyone. A classic case of who's flying the aircraft??!
What was the illegal cargo?