Back in the day, they used to make a big deal about the fact that Leopard was developed in AutoCAD... which never struck me as a great idea. Late 80s AutoCAD wasn't exactly sophisticated.
Actually I was captain on the SN601 Corvette. It was underpowered but a delight to fly I forgot how many hours I have on the Corvette. It was supremely well built. It was discontinued because Dassailt complained that the French state which owned Aerospatiale competed with the private Dassault. Aerospatiale got a contract for Falcon fuselage segments in compensation
I was first F/O on the Corvette, operated by an executive jet charter operator "Jetstar Holland". Based at Rotterdam. O)f course, the aircraft used were Aerospatiale SN601 Corvette. After that I flew a Citation 500 as a captain. That company sold the Citation and I first flew a Learjet 25D in Nigeria. Then I became captain on a Corvette, owned by GPA (Guinness Peat Aviation). based at Shannon, Ireland. GPA was at the time the world's largest aircraft leasing company. The CEO was Dr. Tony Ryan, founder of Ryanair. The Corvette was not nearly as bad an aircraft as suggested in this blog. When launched, the engines that were intended were not available and the P&W JT15 was chosen. It lacked power and the original Corvette also lacked range. Tip tanks solved that at least partly, we could fly from Shannon to Palma de Mallorca. Air traffic was not nearly as dense as it is now, and I had devised a descend profile that extended the range by at least 150 NM. I was trained up by Capt. Robert Briot, an Aerospatiale engineering test pilot. Extremely skilled, he was involved with e.g. evaluating Concorde as well as the ATR 42. He only had one single type rating in his ATPL: "Tous aviaons - Any aircraft". I loved the Corvette.
I rode in the NASA Jetstar a few times back in the 1970's while supporting the F-14 aileron/rudder interconnect and the High Speed Propeller programs. The pilots were Don Mallick and Tom McMurtry.
I fueled up and then watched one of the last, if not the last, flying Hansa Jet in the USA crash, N604GA, on 11/30/2004. That whole operation was an accident looking for a place to happen... and it did, about an hour and a half later. Everyone on shift that night stood outside to watch the aircraft take off, because we all knew something was going to happen.
@@higamerXD Crashes/ investigations are not really the focus of my channel, but I'm sure someone like Hoover from Pilot Debrief could cover something like that.
American Trans Air "ATA", had a Hansa Jet in the 90's. I also remember air cargo operator Grand Aire in Louisville, operated Hansa Jets in air cargo operations.
I also flew Citation 500, 550, 650 and the Lesrjet 25D. The pocket rocket but it could drink fuel unless operated at least above FL 300 preferably above FL 400. It was also quite noisy, not welcome any more at most airports
As always, a very enjoyable video. These were years in which creativity ran wild in aeronautical design, in search of optimization; beautiful. Thanks for bringing us a bit of history ;)
The engineer in charge of the Leopard was Brian Cunnington who had worked for Marcos Cars and before that Lotus. I visited the works in the 80’s . All I remember was the rough accommodation and the fact that the tailplane was simply a reduced scale version of the main wing . Interesting that it was the non-availability of suitable engines which scuppered the project.
I saw the Leopard demonstrated at the Farnborough Air Show, in 1988 I think. The engines were described as being intended for cruise missiles. As the commentator spoke about the aircraft's ability to operate from short runways the aircraft gave off a series of popping noises as it started its take-off run and proceeded to use the whole length of the runway to take off. Once airborne it was really impressive. Where most fast aircraft can be seen to mush round turns at a high angle of attack, the Leopard seemed buoyant in the air and took turns like a high-performance sailplane without any noticeable increase in angle of attack or loss of speed.
As a kid I'd see (most of) these a/c in Aviation Week which mercilessly compared all aircraft in class to its peers ... so no surprise that they didn't make the longer term cut. My father flew in an early Piaggio P.166 turboprop that was mentioned ... the test pilot was fond of doing aileron rolls at 100 feet above the sea ....
@@aircraftadventures-vids As I recall it, the turboprop version was being proposed for some police or national police program. My father was there in marketing mode for some avionics that the end customer wanted. I can probably find his trip report for it ...
40 years ago I used to fly all over Saudi Arabia in a Falcon 50 owned by Philips Telecommunications. Fab tri-jet and on several flights I was the only passenger. #goodolddays
Great stuff, from a former airline pilot and current CFI. Didn't a similar video on "bad' or discontinued turbo-props in your library. Ex - The Beechcraft Starship Would be another fun video.
Thank you for the feedback! I'm always gathering up new ides. Hang tight, my next video (tentatively in 2 weeks) will be absolutely bonkers. But t-props are awesome too, love the idea.
I really need to get a life, I know all of these very well. 😢 Then again biz jets is my business. Imagining a time when 4 jet engines made sense for a businessman.
Back in 1989-1992 a Hansa Jet was hangered at the airport I worked at. She was a thirsty little pig, but flew very often. It was a business jet for a small manufacturing company, and it always struck me as extremely weird the way the wings swept forward. Unlike a Lear, you needed a ladder to fuel the tip tanks. Unless you used pressure refueling that is.
A fun and interesting idea that I was always intrigued with was a Soviet one back in the 80’s. Essentially the Mikoyan Gurevich design bureau had an idea to turn its Mach 3.2 interceptor the MiG-25, into a business jet. Its fuselage would have been lengthened and I’m not aware if newer more fuel efficient engines would’ve have been chosen, not that the government cared anyway as it only stayed as an abstract concept. It’s definitely a lot different than what was shown in this video but Its a cool idea to play with especially with the sheer speed of the MiG-25. It would be like a Concorde but smaller and faster, and definitely more expensive to operate.
I have seen the CMC Leopard in real life at the museum, its one cool looking plane, It kind of reminds you of a mini concorde and the interior looks very stylish and comfortable.
Aerospatiale was not "the company behind Concorde". The project and the initial R+D were British, mainly by BAC, now part of BAe. The UK wanted a partner to share the cost so Sud Aviation of France came on board. This ended up saving Concord as the Labour government and minister Tony Benn tried to cancel the project but the contract with France made that impossible.
@@anthonyxuereb792 It's still a fact. The UK RAE developed the delta wing that was key for a civil supersonic airliner, with some German engineers recruited after the war, the same project that sent Werner Von Braun to NASA. Plus of course the engines were British. The British lead in aerodynamics and wing design carried on to Airbus, which explains why to this day all Airbus wings are made in the UK.
The engine mounting system of the PD.808 looks like a fighter plane. The reduced surface area of the fuselage would have reduced aerodynamic drag, cut down on material costs, and lightened the weight. Why didn't Hansa Jet adopt the low wing system? The forward wing seems to be less stable in the roll direction. It was fun to see so many bizjets I didn't know about. Thank you.👍👍👍
This is a very well researched film, very nicely presented and illustrated, and despite a broad knowlege about aviation, I have to admit two of the types were new to me. So thank you for the enlightenment!
I immediately recognised the Hansajet in the still at the end of the video. D-CASY failed to rotate while attempting takeoff at my local airport at Blackpool in Lancashire, England. It went off the end of the runway and crashed into a holiday park, resulting in loss of life. The reason was a failure to remove the gust locks from the elevator. PIC clearly didn't make a FaF check.
I flew the 731 JetStar and it was an awesome airplane. Yes 4 engines (Garrett 3,700# ea) to do MX on, but 2/3 the cabin and only 1/2 the fuel burn of a Gulfstream II. Really solid on the controls.
I think they're one of the best looking executive jets. Hard to beat a GII though (part of that opinion is biased, my old man worked for Gulfstream in the 70s)
@@aircraftadventures-vids I flew the GII and III- I liken it to the F4: LOTS of power, rattle the windows for miles around and just GOES!!! But not cheap to operate.
@@TheWoodFly I bet it wasn't. While living in DC, my best memory was the Coast Guard GII taking off. Unlike other private GIIs, the CG plane didn't have hushkits and it was positively the loudest plane departing DCA (even louder than 727s). Obviously, noise doesn't pay the bills and today's Gulfstreams are quiet like a mouse. But what a time it was...
@@aircraftadventures-vids Well, we didn't have afterburners like the F4, but it was loud. We were the launch customer for a company making the first gen of the hush kits so I flew both. They said it made us quieter - all I cared was that we were still legal (for a little while anyway).
I know next to nothing of jet planes, I would go as far as to say that I am uninterested in them, or I might have before I saw this video. Liked Subscribed
As far i know the main issues for Piaggio 808 were not the viper. engines because those are the same of aermacchi 339 that fly to these day, the main problem was new rules about safety and the lack of a de icing system
Trust me, just 5 jets doesn't even closely cover the gamut of planes I could include. Expect a "volume 2" in the future, and I can drop the D-jet in there too.
I know about the 760 and I have it lined up for another video at a later time. I guess it depends on how you define it - the 760 was defined as a military "liason" aircraft, but I suppose technically it could have been used as a business jet.
While not a business jet, but as a VIP transport it would be the military equivalent, for oddball check out the UA-3B version of the Douglas Skywarrior. A carrier based strategic nuclear bomber, and still the heaviest aircraft assigned regular carrier duty which earned the The Whale as a nickname, 2 were converted to transports.
The Leopard's automoblie-style, practically flat windshield with sharp "a" columns must have been a major source of drag and unsteady airflow into its engine inlets. The ultimate "car-like" private jet, with "car-like" appearance. But airplanes are not cars. They look different for a reason.
Just outside Brisbane, for years, there was a tiny jet up on a pole. It was a Fox Jet. I have no idea how it got there or what happened to it. Beautiful looking little plane though. I flew Lears for a while. fun aircraft but you take off in a fuel emergency.
I read a biography on a Lear 25 pilot, guy's a friend of mine. I highly recommend his book "Learjet Diaries", talks about the golden days of flying early Lears on charter flights.
i am a pilot from trinidad. i know the background in the video. that terminal doesnt exist anymore. the new airport is on the opposite side of the runway now
I remember a Hansa on the ramp in 79 and saw some freighter Corvettes briefly. Always thought the JetStars with the 731s looked sweet. Falcons were hard to beat.. Sabreliners fuel vents hanging was a pain in the aft tank, especially if you didnt notice.... Kalitta had some cool, ragged OLD corp birds for feeders, most with questionable airworthiness.
There are two HFB 320 in flying condition. PT-IOB, PT-IDW. In BRAZIL. Check them out. I myself flew both of them. The IOB has a - 9 engine and IDW has a - 7.
The Douglas 220 was actually not considered by the Air Force because of engine proximity to the ground. This meant the aircraft could not fly in an austere runway. Basically a dirt road or a desert floor. It wasn't a bad aircraft, and the Air Force also asked Douglas about the possibility of creating this aircraft as a UDF demonstrator. The UDF or unducted fan, is an "inside out" turbofan engine with blades on the outside of the engine casing. Since even turboprops had not matured as well, it was impossible at the time. But had it been possible? Douglas might have had a winner here. A UDF aircraft often can fly at close to private jet speeds (400mph/643kph or better) burning 30% less fuel for the same distance and nearly the same time to destination. However, the UDF suffered from excessive noise and airframe vibration. Most of these problems have been solved, and there is even talk about reviving this technology as turboprops are gaining more traction for their fuel efficiency and reliability. Since Boeing now owns Douglas, it would be a good idea to perhaps revisit the 220 and create it with a pair of UDF engines and compete in the turboprop category. Look at the Piaggio P180? Incredible and fast turboprop with a 450mph/724kph cruise speed. A strong contender in the mostly jet market.
@@aircraftadventures-vids Exactly. Noise and reliability were problems at the time. Also, jet fuel became cheaper in the 90s and early 2000s making the UDF less attractive to the airlines. However, now with advanced carbon fiber and other technologies, maybe it is time to actually revisit this concept. It's more efficient overall, less of a carbon footprint, and since turboprops in general are becoming faster and more available, a more attractive option for even proponents of alternate fuels like Synjet and even hydrogen. Possibly a hybrid electric version could power a future eProp aircraft.
Edit: Also the original concept was a NASA made one in response to the oil embargo of 1973. But, they did not release the proposal until the early 1980s. That's when General Electric decided to make a prototype.
8:00 Thats why a turbo prop trainer is great for fun "fighter jet" esque rides. However if you have a Trumpian Bank account there is a F4 phantom for sale!
Douglas might have sold jets to the Navy if it was carrier capable. From the design it sure looked like that was part of the thought process, esp with the A4 landing gear.
The HFB which made the Hansajet stands for "Hamburger FlugzeugBau". The company evolved from Blohm&Voss (shipbuilders which also made planes during WW2, think of BV222 or BV238), retook the name of HFB after the war and soon merged with MBB (Messerschmitt, Bölkow & Blohm). It later became known as DASA (Daimler AeroSpace AG), soon renamed to Daimler Chrysler Aerospace, which then again became part of EADS and later Airbus. So a turbulent history over the last 90 years ^^ The most popular plane the HFB made is probably the Transall, transport airplane for european armed forces (a coproduction with several other companies).
12.05 That's me flying the Lockheed F104 in Rome for the 100th Anniversary of the Italian Air Force....lol...that was a nice surprise....
I viewed your channel, and yes, you are a jet man...cool...
Wow! And you're still alive! 😅😅
100th anniversary.
He didn't say it was HIS 100 year anniversary.
Lacking some reading skills??
@@oxcart4172
Lucky you...and thanks for the awesome videos from KSC. Miss it there. I am 6'7" so guess I don't fit. Dang.
To his defense, I took it as "wow, you flew the F-104 and you're still alive!" (but maybe I'm wrong, lol)
Man the CMC Leopard couldn't get a break. Pretty aircraft, nice lines,
Back in the day, they used to make a big deal about the fact that Leopard was developed in AutoCAD... which never struck me as a great idea. Late 80s AutoCAD wasn't exactly sophisticated.
Actually I was captain on the SN601 Corvette.
It was underpowered but a delight to fly
I forgot how many hours I have on the Corvette. It was supremely well built.
It was discontinued because Dassailt complained that the French state which owned Aerospatiale competed with the private Dassault.
Aerospatiale got a contract for Falcon fuselage segments in compensation
The French can do things well.
@@rudyjakma3664 What airline may I ask?
I was first F/O on the Corvette, operated by an executive jet charter operator "Jetstar Holland". Based at Rotterdam.
O)f course, the aircraft used were Aerospatiale SN601 Corvette.
After that I flew a Citation 500 as a captain.
That company sold the Citation and I first flew a Learjet 25D in Nigeria.
Then I became captain on a Corvette, owned by GPA (Guinness Peat Aviation). based at Shannon, Ireland.
GPA was at the time the world's largest aircraft leasing company.
The CEO was Dr. Tony Ryan, founder of Ryanair.
The Corvette was not nearly as bad an aircraft as suggested in this blog.
When launched, the engines that were intended were not available and the P&W JT15 was chosen.
It lacked power and the original Corvette also lacked range.
Tip tanks solved that at least partly, we could fly from Shannon to Palma de Mallorca.
Air traffic was not nearly as dense as it is now, and I had devised a descend profile that extended the range by at least 150 NM.
I was trained up by Capt. Robert Briot, an Aerospatiale engineering test pilot.
Extremely skilled, he was involved with e.g. evaluating Concorde as well as the ATR 42.
He only had one single type rating in his ATPL: "Tous aviaons - Any aircraft".
I loved the Corvette.
0:22 who knew Saul Goodman worked on jet engines
Lol!
Is it him or just a look a like
Definitely Saul after his Cinnabon gig.
@@wes11bravo🤣
He was just posing as an engine mechanic in order to find a nice cozy spot to hide drugs.
I rode in the NASA Jetstar a few times back in the 1970's while supporting the F-14 aileron/rudder interconnect and the High Speed Propeller programs. The pilots were Don Mallick and Tom McMurtry.
The Sabreliner was my first type rating in 1994. I flew many, many charters in it out of HOU until 1998.
You just can't beat, The Sabreliner.
Awesome! I always loved watching the Sabres while living next to DCA back in the 80s, one of my favorite types (after the GII of course)
Same here but in 1999. Flew it till 2013 after logging 4,600 hrs in them
@@chrisanderson4799, no
As a retired corporate pilot, one who flew in the earlier times of corporate aviation, it was nice to see these aircraft again.
What did you fly? I have a friend who got his start flying Lear 24s, oh boy the stories he can tell!
Give the plans to the Delorean designer team for another go 'round. maybe ad a bog seat and sink...
I was really interested in the Hansa jet when it first came out. I do remember the Douglas four engine jet as well. Both were beauties!
I got a chance to see it n Munich this past summer. Man, the thing is big! (compared to a Lear anyways)
This is fantastic! Thank you for producing it.
Thank you! Means a lot 👍
I fueled up and then watched one of the last, if not the last, flying Hansa Jet in the USA crash, N604GA, on 11/30/2004. That whole operation was an accident looking for a place to happen... and it did, about an hour and a half later. Everyone on shift that night stood outside to watch the aircraft take off, because we all knew something was going to happen.
I just read the accident report. Wow, what a complete s**t show
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@aircraftadventures-vids there seem to be no video's about that crash, would you wana make one?
@@higamerXD Crashes/ investigations are not really the focus of my channel, but I'm sure someone like Hoover from Pilot Debrief could cover something like that.
I flew the Hansa Jet for Pelican Express out of Miami back in the early ‘90’s. Interesting design, but an absolute pig of a plane.
i am student in an aeronautics school in france and we have a corvette for work on it ( the number 2 F-ZVMW)
My First PIC was in the Jetstar
. Lasted about 18 months before working for a major carrier
I spent 27 years as PIC of the 727.
You were a pilot of my favorite plane ever!
In other words you had a great career flying classic American jets! Well done sir.
Nice!
@@777jones Thank you .
That McDonnell plane in the beginning is so awesome looking! Looks like baby Dc-8/707.
Great video on obscure aircraft! Well done research to explain why these jets did not proliferate!👍
Thanks for watching!
Saw the McDonnell Douglas 119 at ELP a few weeks ago! What a treat!
I'd love to see it myself
American Trans Air "ATA", had a Hansa Jet in the 90's. I also remember air cargo operator Grand Aire in Louisville, operated Hansa Jets in air cargo operations.
I remember seeing the Hansa's on the Louisville UPS ramp at night in the 90's.
@@SempreGumby Yep, Grand Aire flew Falcons and Hansa's for air cargo at that time. Those were the good old days
I also flew Citation 500, 550, 650 and the Lesrjet 25D.
The pocket rocket but it could drink fuel unless operated at least above FL 300 preferably above FL 400.
It was also quite noisy, not welcome any more at most airports
welcome anywhere I saw it! I lived right next to DCA in the 80s and watching a 25 take off was a pleasure!
As always, a very enjoyable video. These were years in which creativity ran wild in aeronautical design, in search of optimization; beautiful. Thanks for bringing us a bit of history ;)
Hey, thanks for the kind feedback! If I had a time machine, it would drop my right next to an airport in the 50s for sure.
Imagine having that Model 119 with some B-58 Hustlers engines. 😁😁
ZZZZ00000000MMMMM!!!!1
Yeah, it would have a range of 50 miles.
The engineer in charge of the Leopard was Brian Cunnington who had worked for Marcos Cars and before that Lotus.
I visited the works in the 80’s . All I remember was the rough accommodation and the fact that the tailplane was simply a reduced scale version of the main wing . Interesting that it was the non-availability of suitable engines which scuppered the project.
The engine is sometimes the biggest bottleneck of any airframe.
I saw the Leopard demonstrated at the Farnborough Air Show, in 1988 I think. The engines were described as being intended for cruise missiles. As the commentator spoke about the aircraft's ability to operate from short runways the aircraft gave off a series of popping noises as it started its take-off run and proceeded to use the whole length of the runway to take off. Once airborne it was really impressive. Where most fast aircraft can be seen to mush round turns at a high angle of attack, the Leopard seemed buoyant in the air and took turns like a high-performance sailplane without any noticeable increase in angle of attack or loss of speed.
As a kid I'd see (most of) these a/c in Aviation Week which mercilessly compared all aircraft in class to its peers ... so no surprise that they didn't make the longer term cut.
My father flew in an early Piaggio P.166 turboprop that was mentioned ... the test pilot was fond of doing aileron rolls at 100 feet above the sea ....
The base model P166 was piston-engined but they did produce some t-prop variants as well. Also another favorite of mine.
@@aircraftadventures-vids As I recall it, the turboprop version was being proposed for some police or national police program. My father was there in marketing mode for some avionics that the end customer wanted. I can probably find his trip report for it ...
40 years ago I used to fly all over Saudi Arabia in a Falcon 50 owned by Philips Telecommunications. Fab tri-jet and on several flights I was the only passenger. #goodolddays
Great stuff, from a former airline pilot and current CFI.
Didn't a similar video on "bad' or discontinued turbo-props in your library.
Ex - The Beechcraft Starship
Would be another fun video.
Thank you for the feedback! I'm always gathering up new ides. Hang tight, my next video (tentatively in 2 weeks) will be absolutely bonkers. But t-props are awesome too, love the idea.
this channel is fascinating, cant stop watching the episodes. Bravo.
Thank you! Means a lot, and I guess I'll need to work harder to get more videos out! (you'll run out pretty soon)
Killed it with the video as always 🔥👏🏻
Thanks for watching, bud!
Love the leopard!!
Hell yeah, I first spotted in my trusty old Jane's big book back in the 80s.
That Model 119 was like a dwarf Convair 880. Maybe impractical, but such a sweet looker.
It sure did, and agree
I really need to get a life, I know all of these very well. 😢 Then again biz jets is my business. Imagining a time when 4 jet engines made sense for a businessman.
You and me, both, lol.
Back in 1989-1992 a Hansa Jet was hangered at the airport I worked at. She was a thirsty little pig, but flew very often. It was a business jet for a small manufacturing company, and it always struck me as extremely weird the way the wings swept forward. Unlike a Lear, you needed a ladder to fuel the tip tanks. Unless you used pressure refueling that is.
They were big too, for the engine size.
Good stuff! That poor Hansa jet though... ouch!
Of course I know the Corvette. I used to work for a company who had 2 of them!
Corvette hoarders! lol. That's cool!
@@aircraftadventures-vids Pretty good aircraft the 601 but didn't like to go slow.
For business jets i favored the Learjet because my grandmother worked there back in the 60's. Nowadays i like the Cessna Citation or Hondajet.
I worked at the Learjet Wichita facility in the Customer Service building in the Spare Parts Department from 1980 through 2008.
The description of the Falcon's engines as hair dryers sounds very much like the description I heard from One pilot about the A340.
Falcon? you mean the Leopard?
When I was in the Air Force at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque in 1970 a McDonnell 119 was sitting on the ramp at ABQ already derelict.
“a 119”? it was the only one ever built!
That Hansa jet is just spectacular (visually, anyway). What a beauty.
Agree! And huge also (saw in person)
Great information I didn't know I needed... Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
A fun and interesting idea that I was always intrigued with was a Soviet one back in the 80’s. Essentially the Mikoyan Gurevich design bureau had an idea to turn its Mach 3.2 interceptor the MiG-25, into a business jet. Its fuselage would have been lengthened and I’m not aware if newer more fuel efficient engines would’ve have been chosen, not that the government cared anyway as it only stayed as an abstract concept. It’s definitely a lot different than what was shown in this video but Its a cool idea to play with especially with the sheer speed of the MiG-25. It would be like a Concorde but smaller and faster, and definitely more expensive to operate.
I would have loved to see that brought to fruition
The other CM Leopard is at the Bournemouth Aviation Museum, Dorset, UK.
Awesome! 😊
Thanks! 😄
Thank you for this nice documentary, i find the leopard an absolutely amazing and beautiful little jet!
Amazing video, I didnt know about these and I definitely consider myself an aviation buff =D
Thank you for watching!
I appreciate that you caught the Hansa. I got to look at one up close ages ago at the New Bedford airport. What a unique machine!
The thing is huge! (at least when you account for the small jets)
Today, in Australia, I saw an Eclipse 500 (EA50) at Moruya airport. N465DG looking good, and far from home.
Wonder how many stops to get there? They did not have great range, from what i recall.
Very informative and very well presented. Thank you, sir!
Thanks for the feedback, and thanks for watching!
Forget cool planes funny planes are where its at
I have seen the CMC Leopard in real life at the museum, its one cool looking plane, It kind of reminds you of a mini concorde and the interior looks very stylish and comfortable.
It might be comfortable, but for relatively short flights I would think.
I recently saw the one Leopard (G-BKRL) at Bournemouth Aviation Musem and the second (G-BRNM) at Midland Air Museum, smart little plane.
0:32 McDonalds 119
2:50 Aerospatiale Corvette
5:08 Piaggio PD.808
9:05 CMC Leopard
10:52 HFB Hansa Jet
Thanks.
Great video Richard! keep it up.
Thanks, Brad!
Aerospatiale was not "the company behind Concorde". The project and the initial R+D were British, mainly by BAC, now part of BAe. The UK wanted a partner to share the cost so Sud Aviation of France came on board. This ended up saving Concord as the Labour government and minister Tony Benn tried to cancel the project but the contract with France made that impossible.
I don't accept that "the project and initial R & D were British."
That's not true about the initial work
And once Aérospatiale shut down, Airbus took over supplying parts for the Concord.
@@bfc3057 Afraid it is.
@@anthonyxuereb792 It's still a fact. The UK RAE developed the delta wing that was key for a civil supersonic airliner, with some German engineers recruited after the war, the same project that sent Werner Von Braun to NASA. Plus of course the engines were British. The British lead in aerodynamics and wing design carried on to Airbus, which explains why to this day all Airbus wings are made in the UK.
Thanks for the video, really enjoyed it.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent presentation.
Thanks for watching!
I need to head back to Pima air museum. They have most of these
I'd love to check that out too
22MS!!!!! I had a few rides in that lawn dart. Knew the capt too as we worked for the same 121 airline.
Great video, I want to watch this again later on the big TV😂👍
Glad you enjoyed it! thanks
The engine mounting system of the PD.808 looks like a fighter plane. The reduced surface area of the fuselage would have reduced aerodynamic drag, cut down on material costs, and lightened the weight. Why didn't Hansa Jet adopt the low wing system? The forward wing seems to be less stable in the roll direction. It was fun to see so many bizjets I didn't know about. Thank you.👍👍👍
Thanks for the comments! And agree, the 808 sure does look like a fighter jet.
This is a very well researched film, very nicely presented and illustrated, and despite a broad knowlege about aviation, I have to admit two of the types were new to me. So thank you for the enlightenment!
I immediately recognised the Hansajet in the still at the end of the video. D-CASY failed to rotate while attempting takeoff at my local airport at Blackpool in Lancashire, England. It went off the end of the runway and crashed into a holiday park, resulting in loss of life. The reason was a failure to remove the gust locks from the elevator. PIC clearly didn't make a FaF check.
Damn!
@11:01 i am standing inside that building behind the lear jet right now..
That's cool! Should have waved for the video, lol
My grandfather owned a jetstar and a sabreliner. Loved them both, but said nothing compared to the jetstar.
Especially the fuel burn! Seriously through, it's probably the sexiest business jet ever made
What a great find this chanel is!
Welcome aboard!!
I flew the 731 JetStar and it was an awesome airplane. Yes 4 engines (Garrett 3,700# ea) to do MX on, but 2/3 the cabin and only 1/2 the fuel burn of a Gulfstream II. Really solid on the controls.
I think they're one of the best looking executive jets. Hard to beat a GII though (part of that opinion is biased, my old man worked for Gulfstream in the 70s)
@@aircraftadventures-vids I flew the GII and III- I liken it to the F4: LOTS of power, rattle the windows for miles around and just GOES!!! But not cheap to operate.
@@TheWoodFly I bet it wasn't. While living in DC, my best memory was the Coast Guard GII taking off. Unlike other private GIIs, the CG plane didn't have hushkits and it was positively the loudest plane departing DCA (even louder than 727s). Obviously, noise doesn't pay the bills and today's Gulfstreams are quiet like a mouse. But what a time it was...
@@aircraftadventures-vids Well, we didn't have afterburners like the F4, but it was loud. We were the launch customer for a company making the first gen of the hush kits so I flew both. They said it made us quieter - all I cared was that we were still legal (for a little while anyway).
Awesome video👌🏻
Thanks 😁
Excellent video!
Thank you very much!
Nice to discover these . You may have considered the Morane Paris which was a very nice one
Yes! I'm putting together another list for a future video, the Paris is in it.
1:36 I actually went to that A&P school and worked with that engine, it’s fickle, but when she goes, she goes!
Bottlerocket!
Lucky man! What a&p school did you go to if you mind me asking?
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I saw a leopard at Bournemouth Aviation Museum it's tiny but must be a delight to fly
With a sweep of 35 degrees I can assure you that the wing had no laminar flow. Crossflow instabilities would cause transition.
I know next to nothing of jet planes, I would go as far as to say that I am uninterested in them, or I might have before I saw this video.
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There were 56 Hansa jets built.
I stand corrected. And glad I saw one of them!
According to Google....between 45-47. Whatever the number that had to be a big financial loss.
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I've seen the 220 in person. It's an awesome little bird.
Good presentation.
Thank you!
5:30 Holy smokes, it's Lefty Tucker!
2:31 "Do you want this squat, dumpy 220 holding its engines like grocery bags? Or this French beauty the Falcon 20?" (wolf whistle)
As far i know the main issues for Piaggio 808 were not the viper. engines because those are the same of aermacchi 339 that fly to these day, the main problem was new rules about safety and the lack of a de icing system
Got it. I agree probably was not the main issue - the Bae 125 flew with them just fine for a while too.
SAAB 105 was also intended as business jet. However, the SAAB 105 military version SK60D had four seats.
An outfit I flew for in Toronto had a Hansa. Never really saw much work.
question is, how do wind up with a Hansa?
Hansa crashed and destroyed @ KSUS about 10 years ago.. Take off in ice conditions. Went into the Missouri River.
I'm surprised you didn't add the D-Jet to this list. Diamond could have had a real winner.
Trust me, just 5 jets doesn't even closely cover the gamut of planes I could include. Expect a "volume 2" in the future, and I can drop the D-jet in there too.
@@aircraftadventures-vids Looking forward to it!
The first business jet wasn’t the McDonnell 119 but the Morane Saulnier 760.
I know about the 760 and I have it lined up for another video at a later time. I guess it depends on how you define it - the 760 was defined as a military "liason" aircraft, but I suppose technically it could have been used as a business jet.
While not a business jet, but as a VIP transport it would be the military equivalent, for oddball check out the UA-3B version of the Douglas Skywarrior. A carrier based strategic nuclear bomber, and still the heaviest aircraft assigned regular carrier duty which earned the The Whale as a nickname, 2 were converted to transports.
The Leopard's automoblie-style, practically flat windshield with sharp "a" columns must have been a major source of drag and unsteady airflow into its engine inlets. The ultimate "car-like" private jet, with "car-like" appearance.
But airplanes are not cars. They look different for a reason.
interesting, didn't think of that. Maybe would cause buffeting at high speeds??
@@aircraftadventures-vids Most likely, yes.
My first thought looking at it was about how much noise the air would make going around those square corners.
Just outside Brisbane, for years, there was a tiny jet up on a pole. It was a Fox Jet. I have no idea how it got there or what happened to it. Beautiful looking little plane though. I flew Lears for a while. fun aircraft but you take off in a fuel emergency.
I read a biography on a Lear 25 pilot, guy's a friend of mine. I highly recommend his book "Learjet Diaries", talks about the golden days of flying early Lears on charter flights.
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at 13:07 you can see the original airport in trinidad with a BWIA MD-82 parked in front the terminal
good eye you got there!
i am a pilot from trinidad. i know the background in the video. that terminal doesnt exist anymore. the new airport is on the opposite side of the runway now
I remember a Hansa on the ramp in 79 and saw some freighter Corvettes briefly. Always thought the JetStars with the 731s looked sweet. Falcons were hard to beat.. Sabreliners fuel vents hanging was a pain in the aft tank, especially if you didnt notice.... Kalitta had some cool, ragged OLD corp birds for feeders, most with questionable airworthiness.
There are two HFB 320 in flying condition. PT-IOB, PT-IDW. In BRAZIL. Check them out. I myself flew both of them. The IOB has a - 9 engine and IDW has a - 7.
Serio? Mas estão voando ativamente ainda??
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The Douglas 220 was actually not considered by the Air Force because of engine proximity to the ground. This meant the aircraft could not fly in an austere runway. Basically a dirt road or a desert floor. It wasn't a bad aircraft, and the Air Force also asked Douglas about the possibility of creating this aircraft as a UDF demonstrator. The UDF or unducted fan, is an "inside out" turbofan engine with blades on the outside of the engine casing. Since even turboprops had not matured as well, it was impossible at the time. But had it been possible? Douglas might have had a winner here.
A UDF aircraft often can fly at close to private jet speeds (400mph/643kph or better) burning 30% less fuel for the same distance and nearly the same time to destination. However, the UDF suffered from excessive noise and airframe vibration. Most of these problems have been solved, and there is even talk about reviving this technology as turboprops are gaining more traction for their fuel efficiency and reliability. Since Boeing now owns Douglas, it would be a good idea to perhaps revisit the 220 and create it with a pair of UDF engines and compete in the turboprop category. Look at the Piaggio P180? Incredible and fast turboprop with a 450mph/724kph cruise speed. A strong contender in the mostly jet market.
UDFs were also tested in the early 80s as I recall. Also didn't go anywhere, but not sure why. (noise maybe?)
@@aircraftadventures-vids Exactly. Noise and reliability were problems at the time. Also, jet fuel became cheaper in the 90s and early 2000s making the UDF less attractive to the airlines. However, now with advanced carbon fiber and other technologies, maybe it is time to actually revisit this concept. It's more efficient overall, less of a carbon footprint, and since turboprops in general are becoming faster and more available, a more attractive option for even proponents of alternate fuels like Synjet and even hydrogen. Possibly a hybrid electric version could power a future eProp aircraft.
Edit: Also the original concept was a NASA made one in response to the oil embargo of 1973. But, they did not release the proposal until the early 1980s. That's when General Electric decided to make a prototype.
“Think you know all about private jets?”
No.
“Think again”
Wait, I do?!
The Learjet 60 has a cabin height of 69”. Not about 49” as stated.
I didn't mention the 60...i was talking about the 23-25 series.
I’d say the most peculiar business jet was the Russian made Mig YE-155 a business jet take on the MiG 25
Imagine that thing at NBAA!
8:00 Thats why a turbo prop trainer is great for fun "fighter jet" esque rides. However if you have a Trumpian Bank account there is a F4 phantom for sale!
Heck, even piston-engines work for that. Lots of companies that used Marchetti, Mentors and even T6s for simu-dogfighting.
9:22 the tiny “my name” penny NPT 301
0:22 Thats Saul Goodman undercover
We've outted him!
Douglas might have sold jets to the Navy if it was carrier capable. From the design it sure looked like that was part of the thought process, esp with the A4 landing gear.
Yeah come to think of it, I see other A4 cues too, especially the shape of the intakes.
The HFB which made the Hansajet stands for "Hamburger FlugzeugBau". The company evolved from Blohm&Voss (shipbuilders which also made planes during WW2, think of BV222 or BV238), retook the name of HFB after the war and soon merged with MBB (Messerschmitt, Bölkow & Blohm). It later became known as DASA (Daimler AeroSpace AG), soon renamed to Daimler Chrysler Aerospace, which then again became part of EADS and later Airbus. So a turbulent history over the last 90 years ^^
The most popular plane the HFB made is probably the Transall, transport airplane for european armed forces (a coproduction with several other companies).
Misspellings in the subtitles grate!!!
Yeah I was spell-checking the subtitles but ran out of time to go through all of it.
testing 1,2,3...
Interesting video, I did think you would include the Mitsubishi Diamond Mu-300. That became the Beech then Raytheon Be400/ and T1A Jayhawk.
Well the theme here are failed business jets. The Mitsu jet morphed into a relatively successful family .
@aircraftadvntures-vids it's nice for some one point these things out, I shall not comments again. Thank you
I've seen three different thumbnails pop up for this video, super confusing. I keep thinking it's a new video I haven't watched.
It’s actually a new YT feature, that lets you test 3 thumbnails. All the big aviation channels I follow use it. It’s helpful for the dhannels growth.
@@aircraftadventures-vidslol tricking people to watch.
I never knew Bob Odenkirk was also an Aircraft Engineer.
Different vocal tamber