WoW Classic Ret Paladin DPS Guide Review | Esfand's Daily Dose of Classic #7
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2019
- Today we looked another guide for Paladins, this time it's for Ret DPS! A lot of people were messaging me to take a look at this guide from Wowhead today, so we went ahead and did that. Some things were good, but there were definitely some discrepancies as well, and we go over them. Thanks for watching!
Guide: classic.wowhead.com/news=2942...
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I only want to play a Paladin to bless people without their consent.
BoM mages. BoW on warriors. Always.
BoP flag carriers lolz
And most importantly Salvation the tank!!!!
@@GTrax1992 hah lol now that is classic
@@server1ok lmaoo
I hate it when youtubers say they will post the link in the info.....and NEVER do it.
Crap I forgot sorry! just posted
@@EsfandTV legend
Absolutely incredible and fair assessment of the written guide..
Whoever has questions about the class really just needs to feel out the class and find out what jives with you. Took me over 2 years to kinda get the hang of things playing a paladin.. They are so unique and definitely will keep your brain occupied tgeiryucrsfgjbh/theory crafting all sorts of crazy combos..
On lights hope.. Off tanking as a paladin alongside a 2h prot ret build with consecrate in UBRS was a sight to behold.. Granted the guy was decked out with MoM but it comes to show.. You just have to think outside the box a little bit..
This same paladin taught me the 21/0/30 spec with divine favor and vengeance.. I personally main ranked every 5 man dungeon as a paladin with this spec or and improved lay on hands with imp bow 20/0/31 spec...
Tanking as a paladin in blues with 0 in prot sounds crazy but the synergy is there as long as you can cover your hit chance or come close...
I hit 60 2 months before the server is set to be shut down but the tanking experience was invaluable when you had your dps with loot from AQ/naxx.. And you are in greens /blues
Some tough lessons learned but hard work pays off.. Don't forget about those stoneshield potions if you tank as a paladin..
I would never take the 21/0/30 spec and tank in an actual raid but the spec can tank, dps, and heal.
The dude that taught me this spec full clears naxx and aq40 in this very spec and all you need is a quick visit to the bank teller and your g2g.
I don't want to sound pretentious but I found the 21/0/30 build trivialized healing.. Paladins are insanely strong healers and your gonna have to find a way to entertain yourself because it's just too strong. Maybe I'm comparing it unfairly to the APM and calculations to be made when tanking but I just got bored healing..
Nonetheless.. You'll do just fine with this spec and no one will mess with you out in the world.. Your just not worth the trouble...
About cookie cutter builds: Druid is the same. Tons of builds you can make work and adapt to varying situations. What partly drives the cookie cutter builds into the minds of players have recently come from the popular RUclips channels covering beta. I constantly see people trashing my discussion on variant builds (builds highly popular and tested on pservers for years) on forums such as reddit, because some RUclipsr didn't cover them. There are a lot of "internet master" players who have never actually played the build and class they talk about. I like how Esfand stresses that variation is allowed and even nurtured in Classic on some classes; you only need to learn to adapt and keep an open mind.
Thing is, so many people (even said RUclipsrs) will go "this is the best, optimal spec" and then they will immediately follow it up with "but I'm actually going for this instead, because I simply prefer it more"
I cannot agree with you more! there are so many viable variant builds in Vanilla-TBC-Wrath for all of the classes. The primary reason my brother and I quit WoW when Cata released was the pairing down of the talent tree.
It's gotten so bad with people trying to min/max, they will start to tell you what gear is for you. Just had this happen to me on the 1-15 stress test. I was on my 'feral' druid, and had a cloth int piece of gear in my bags. Dude gets on general says he has some leather 'of the monkey' gear. So I pst him and asked if he wanted to trade. He says sure. We go to trade, and when he sees I'm a druid, he refuses the trade because I wasn't a hunter, and that gear was no good for me. I told him the stam bonus was great since I'm playing bear, and the agility was good for *gasp* crit and dodge! He ignored me..............
This.
So true, and so glad to see someone else saying it. Those people that tunnel vision cookie cutter builds are NPC’s.
Definitely rolling ret because of you now. I rolled Ret as my main back when I started at Cata launch and I've played it ever since. I really wanted to bring my main back with me to classic but I've been searching for a reason to believe it's not a waste of time. You are my reason. Thank you for showing me you can Ret in classic.
did it work out for you lol
new to your channel, but this is bringing back some good memories and times I had back in the day. I'm rolling ret pally and following your guides for it, thanks so much!!
i am going to have a druid. but yeah, ret pally love!
Eagerly awaiting "The Light and How to Swing It: Digitally Remastered".
1 hour and 42 minutes about auto attacking. Best guide ever!
I feel attacked.
We got a regular Bob Ross at 8:55 😂
sounds like they should have got you to write the guide instead, lol. Looking forward to seeing your ret guide video, particularly interested in learning about the mythical spell damage ret build. I played Mage in Vanilla and most of BC and only learned of the glory that is ret close to the end of BC so I am planning to try and play classic as Ret start to finish.
ironic that i don't have aspirations to be a full ret pally (holy/ret hybrid at worse) but i still enjoy listening to this and feel like im still learning stuff about pally. that's what i like about them, even if they're just auto-attack to win they have so much diversity in their potential with gear and specs.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who highlights as they read
Michael Fisher ME.
Great guide, love these deep-dive videos. Would you consider doing a video talking about other classes how you feel about them. Maybe a pvp guide and tips/tricks vs other classes? What classes are hard/easy in 1v1 etc. Never played paladin, but ret seems really fun.
Here is a serious question, i know pallys are not the optimal DPS class, but how do you think about other non-optimal specs, will you take arms warriors as DPS? SL Locks? I think a lot of pvpers who play these specs would love to raid if they could without spending hundreds of gold each week respeccing.
Also regarding MC gear, i really hope they have the full loot-tables in phase1, like bracers and girdle.
its first video of this channel i watched:D
how to gear a retri pala:
step1 : create a guild
step2: be the loot-council
step3: profit
What your saying is to be Asmingold
I’m already the GM of a huge guild... excellent...
@@justinTime077 weird flex but ok
@@samuelherrington6973 only to you weirdo. all i'm saying is i'm in a position to move directly to step 2 of this master plan...
@Jehovah I agree. Entertaining though it may be, the game is less a test of skill than it is a test of free time and tolerance for repetition.
jejej the theme of XP. At first impression it looked like XP and I was about to ask you, nice...
I am just now coming back into classic decided to start over as ally on another server cause paladin thanks for the guide
Thank you!
Hey esfand, love your videos. Thanks for everything!
Very Good :)
VERY GOOD
Watching your videos because I had a question about something WoW classic related. I played a paladin back in the day up through Legion and Vanilla was my favorite time for ret in PVP. What I found was about 25% crit was nice and then you focus on other raw stats. Strength is better than AP because if/when you get blessing of kings or other buffs it will enhance you more so I literally focused on raw stats.
Dude what a video! =]
VERY MUCH GOOD POG CHAMP FOR LIFE
very very good :)
I love the vista stream
These vids can bring nostalgia and they're only a year old, the heck. Doc Images in chat, Method sponsorship on top, PepeFuckingHands man.
Id like to hear a speak about propper keybinds for pvp/pve , beginners and advanced. cheers
good keybinds are the one that fits you. No one can tell you what good keybinds are. Just set something that you feel/think will be allright and play with it to get used to it. After 6 years of not playing WoW my fingers still go in exact same key when I need to use for example tremor totem :D
You cant really make a guide for something that is according to your preference/comfort.thats some next level spoon feeding.
Just saw this video. This explains all the Ret I am seeing right now lol.
something you didnt mention is that mention was the ret pallys have more health so lay on hands heals more since its max health
It looks like Esfand ate Claudio from Coheed & Cambria
Yaaaaaaaaaassssssfand!
Clapping to open video is a good thing, it makes sure your Audio and video is matched up when reviewing the footage for editing
you MAY want to cut it out in edit though ;)
this video is more about knowing esfand rather than anything meaning for DPS
Its kind of crazy if they dont add stuff like flameguard, wrists and onslaught girlde in phase 1, but stuff like bonereavers edge and spinal reaper will still drop.
I watch asmongold on my free time. And at some point I saw you in one of his RUclips vids. Long story short, I was recommended to your TF MC run on your pally, while I was lvling a pally for the first time. You got original content which is very refreshing. Thanks for your work.
SO question about Seal Of Command. does its DMG scale of Spell power or/and attack DMG?
love you
McCOol makes an appearance 1:14:58
Telling people to get 9% repeatedly, should really be stressed hard you only need measly 3% Hit from gear if you are a human paladin wielding sword/mace with Precision talented.
I HOPE he meant seal of righteousness for some of those seal of the crusaders lol
BOOM, open, heres the like
With how the spell power coefficients seem to work on beta, thanks to the recent data mine, ret paladins might actually be better than on pservers.
Spellpaladin will be really good , not joking , it will be better then ap ret .
I would like you to review the BIS list for Rets Phase3 and 4 that is listed on wowhead classic. For weapons most places list UTB as BIS, which is subject to a proc to be good, also only 1 has it as Ashkandi which is flat damage. Which one would be an upgrade? if I already have BRE which is super good but is more for PVP.
At 28:44 I have an idea about how much crit chance you should have, the vengeance is 8 sec buff, a 2hand attack speed is 3.60 or some so you can attack 2 times with judgement you have 3 attacks in 8 second of vengeance so 1 out of 3 needs to crit, so 30% crit chance is what you need to keep it up, but as a vanilla paladin it's been a long time ago but 30% is purity hard to get as I remember
Idk man, im only prebis atm rocking 8%hit (2% over cap) and 26% crit unbuffed. And i didnt follow that guide i did my own thing so i have almost as much agility as i have str. Which isnt optimal lol
Something must be wrong with me. I have absolutely no intention of ever playing paladin in any of their specs. They are one of 4 classes I have no interest in (the other 3 being hunter, shaman and druid), but here I am watching this 102 minute long video on retri paladins from start to finish. I regret nothing!
same same
HERETICS, YOU ARE CORRUPTED AND MUST BE PURGED!
Actually a ret paladin can be useful utility in raids, back in the day we ran 2 ret paladins in raid where one would judge wisdom and one would judge light which dps casters loved and even healers becaise they could throw a dot on a boss amd get free mana and heals. Especially when you get to Naxxarams where all the mobs and bosses are undead so paladins can rotate in exercise for extra burst damage.
Bruh. I liked you when I found out you played a human ret pally. Then I found out you went to SMU and use windows xp. Now I love you. #ManAfterMyOwnHeart #IThoughIWasTheOnlyOne
SotC is bugged and fixed in TBC, therefore it's useless to use the improved talent. I'd rather get parry haste for leveling
👏EZ clap at the start of every vid 👏
Yo esfand it's zardish you should get me on for the warlock deep dive
Reckoning stacked in vanilla, but it was a bug
Should ret paladins go for sp gear like the judgement set or dps gear? How visble is rank 10 set in raids? Ty
@Esfand would you recommend playing prot or ret for classic?
widepeepoHappy ❤️
you could look at classic addons
Hey guys, Will u be able to have characters on both factions in Classic? Or Will u have to choose?
Fredrik Eriksson yes just different servers
F for reck dreams
Most of these guides only really apply to the hardcore min/max people. This is a minority group of players. If you are level 60 and have a pulse you wont have trouble getting into a raid. I vividly remember 40man pugs being formed in chat all the time taking pretty much anyone willing. Lol people need to relax and just play the game.
Yes and no. You will drag your damage meter to garbage if you are skimping out on those consumables.
Thats the kind of comments Im looking for. I play ret pala for the power fantasy, the lore, the cool armors. I dont mind not being top dps etc, I just wanna try being in raids. There are no guides for semicasual players that definitely wanna pour hours into the endgame, but also dont wanna have their life be dominated by guild drama and people taking everything extremely seriously
@@morriganrenfield8240 again that's optimal and this boi is just talking about viable raiding, the boi your replying too I mean
This comment will upset the cookie cutter soyboys who thinks their a badass in a world of pixels.
Question. At 20:43 you say speaking in high something what is the term you're using?
isaak salvo hyperbole, it’s like saying something as a figure of speech or exaggeration.
wheres the link
POG
I started in BC and my main was red pally when everyone said Lol ret
I started in bc and my main was a prot warrior people dumped piles of elephant shit on me in pvp
I was here
clap= Let's fucking go boys!
ONE BOOMKIN W THE MAGES OFC
Nahh warlocks ofc :)
@@Valv99 am memeing :]
People who don't think 5% parry is a lot, should take a look at the 8 of 8 Wrath bonus.
Big Fan
Dude im in Sydney but cant find a Australian Guild how can i find one :( please help :)
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What’s the spell power ret build?
Why are darkmoon card and Heart of Wyrmthalak listed as BiS for phase 6?
They proc off SoC.
@@quickcar5255 wouldnt it be better with HOJ and Maelstrom?
@@klevdud depends on the core. Apparently shadow oil is bugged and procs less than before. Not entirely sure on hearts of wyrms proc rate.
@@quickcar5255 well i bought maelstrom yesterday and ill let you know, that sucker barely procks at all, happens around 1 time per 10 regular epl mobs. Sometimes more, but nothing special. I guess on a long boss fight it would be of more value, also got hoj this morning, that shit barely procs either or i suck at seeing when the 2nd hit comes in. I will say with hoj and maelstrom i suddenly get some nice bursts, but not much different. Might switch from maelstrom and hoj to blackhands and hoj. But not sure how much those 2%crit will add to it, already at 25% crir
Nvm, pretty sure that’s right
here
make a character on frostmourne, I have an unobtainable xmog you might be interested in. ill be waiting
Im subscribed with bell, yet I never see your videos in my feed? I honestly yhought you quit RUclips until this was in my search for a ret dps guide. Da fuck RUclips.
Step 1. Log out
Step 2. Re-roll
Wait, so if I make a Dwarf warrior, my hit cap is 9%, but for a Human its 6%?
Id like to know aswell, because human would be overpowered as fuck
That’s correct.
Yeah basically. But That's the hit cap for 2 handed.
3% with talents
Maybe take a look at Theloras' ret pally guide. It has some different inputs than Impakt's. forum.elysium-project.org/topic/23030-theloras-retribution-guide/
is BoK better than BoM for pvp?
Quick Q: Have you reviewed all the guild apps yet? I plan on streaming classic, and would enjoy being around those who are ok being around streamers.
Does reckoning even fucking work without sitcritting? Like for just regular ass gameplay in pvp does it do anything?
Can someone tell me why Seal of the crusader is not useful for proccing vengeance?
doesnt do dmg. Its a dot that increases later holy dmg. So you are spending time not possibly getting a crit
Holy shit, I've been watching you for a while and I had NO IDEA you played ret!
Obviously kidding.
Cool stuff for sure - nice after you've raided as holy for a year and have picked up the necessary pieces to respec and just have fun outside of raids. Sadly - I have never heard of a single guild saying they wanted a ret. paladin in their raid composition. Awesome if you're able to use your stream to help make ret-raiding a reality, though.
it will never be a reality, lol wtf you smoking? ret pally is dog shit dps for raids, its a waste of a slot. What is it with retards thinking they can raid as a meme spec? Bet the reason Esfraud is making a guild and being leader ect is so he can cheaply funnel gear from everyone else to gear his meme spec lol.
Nobody wants ret pallys for raids and thats a fact.
I do want a ret paladin in my raid. So now you're heard that.
When classic comes live would it be addons too?
yes
An idea for future daily dose: look at some useful classic addons/third party projects. Although I have a somewhat ulterior motive as I'm working on something I think is cool: gitlab.com/Korkd/epgpbot/wikis/Usage
Holy shit when will Esfand upgrade from windows XP???
@Jygutyfrrdse LUL
I use Ubuntu with a MacOS skin. Something is wrong with Esfand.
Par excellence. 5Head
esfand was always a alliance paladin right?
I'm betting your initial "clap" is from a sports background. I do the same, and can remember many of my hockey and soccer coaches doing the same when they're prepping for some sort of speech before practice/game. It's a decent authoritative attention-getter in a louder environment, but tends to occur as a matter of habit.
I don't get how the parry thing works. How can 5% parry chance double your chance to parry?
When you have only 2.5%
What about full + spell dmg gear?
It won't have strength, melee crit, +hit on it.
Hey Esfand what about Hybrid build like 25/26/0 Holyrec bomb. U can Heal in raids, tank in dung, and PWN in PVP :D
This is what I did on pservers. The fact that Reckoning is so bad tho now on Classic... yikes.
Yeah a heared that :/
Best part about playing horde is having no ret pallies in your raid.
You know there's not many on alliance either lol
Running a ret pally while my GF is running healer priest. What will go well with her tailoring/enchanting?
In terms of professions.
can anyone give me some bias opinion on this? I chose this so i can resurrect her incase anything goes bad.
Is there a source someone could link for weapon skill being worth 3% hit? Only thing I've found was that specialization only negates the 1% hit removal from the code.
I don't believe you can stack food buffs with each other or elixir buffs to more then 1 in actual live wow. I believe that was part of the private server broken code. So you shouldn't be able to stack a dps flask with a spell power one neither dps food with spell power one.
Reckoning is useless in pve (raiding ofc because we talking about hit cap and max lvl stuff), you should never get hit by a critical strike, there are tanks who absorp that, so you never get an extra attack since you won't get hit.
I don't remember if DoTs from bosses crit even so you still waiting for a DoT on you that have a chance to crit to prog reckoning.
With the explaining of you what reckoning does in classic you don't get an extra swing you melee hit get prio to swing emediatly
Going shockadin
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