The Ultimate Guide to Seal Twisting for Paladins in Season of Discovery
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- Опубликовано: 7 дек 2023
- A Season of Discovery Ultimate Seal Twisting Guide For Paladins.
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I know it was a bit long winded trying to cover all the basics lol, but I hope you guys liked the video! You guys like the last one so much, I thought I would make a guide in the most common question I’m asked while streaming live :D
Also, on another very important note, I really hope that they give those of us who love Classic Vanilla/Burning Crusade Paladin Command and Martyr sealtwisting like we had a couple years ago. As it stands in Season of Discovery, Paladins have the Wrath Ret Gameplay down with Divine Storm. You have to make a decision between that and Seal of Martyrdom, which is basically the trigger between Wrath and TBC Ret Gameplay. It’s almost perfect, if we can get that decision that we can make on an individual basis, I feel like the SoD Paladin will be the most fun version of Ret Paladin ever.
I think it’s important that we come together and give that feedback to Blizzard whenever we get an opportunity to. It doesn’t take anything away from Divine Storm Gameplay, it’s just that there are those of us that want that seal twisting option instead.
Do you guys like these guide videos? What would you like to see next?
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By the way if you want to just get to the core of the guide and don’t care quite as much about how the little parts work, that starts at about 17:00
@@EsfandTV Awesome video man! Explained every question I had and more, good pacing and I loved all the little tips you gave. Cant wait to try out all these tricks, keep up the great work, and may the light be with you!
Thank you Esfand! I am also a super pro for Seal Twisting and I have posted x4 on the EU forums begging for them to look into this and allow us to Seal Twist Command and Blood. I'm trying to do God's work but more Retribution Seal Twisters need to voice their concerns.
The crazy thing is that Seal of Blood NEEDS to also be given the cleave back, to a certain degree, because the maths so far on Divine storm is that it is actually outperforming Seal of Blood on single target which is really bad design. The AoE rune being stronger at single target doesn't sit well with me and doesn't make a lot of sense from a balance perspective.
I was asking on the Blizzard Forums for them to make SoB do like 15% to 20% cleave on 2 extra targets and allow it to Seal Twist into Seal of Command. That's the only way I see it competing with how strong Divine Storm is. At the end of the day its a numbers game it's really easy to add/minus a couple of % damage if one is too far ahead.
Even if Seal Twisting is slightly behind I would still Twist because its honestly the funnest/most unique rotation in any MMORPG and it has a methodic/rhythm to it.
In original DnD Paladins are supposed to be super bursty, doing a shit tonne of damage in a Single hit with Divine Smite. I feel Seal Twisting Blood and Command really fulfilled that fantasy correctly.
exactly, my thoughts were on the same thought pattern, why not enable seal twisting if divine storm is on the same rune anyway, as it stands atm divine storm is always the better take which is kind of a shame for seal of the martyr.
Why do they listen to you?
Crusader Strike WAS in the VANILLA BETA!!!!!! it had 0sec CD!!!!! you suggest a change from 4 to 6 seconds because its more classic? no its more BC!
Seals werent tested, got implemented days before release, seal twisting is a BUG!!!! an EXPLOIT!!!! why tf you want this shitty dog mechanic in the game, it has NOTHING to do with a paladin fantasy since its not made by the OG pally dev.
I hate that blizzard is listening to one single person for changes.
Never played a paladin in my life but I just like listening to him talk about the class he is passionate about, I will never use this information
Lmao, hey I’ll take it!
Haha, same I don't even play wow, but after watching Esfand commentate that hardcore tournament I am a fan.
play a pladin then
Absolutely love this video. I love how you even made sure you have no other buffs up when going through the guide so even newer players are able to follow this. Please do more of these Esfand. Although I am a long time player, I still would love to see the general basics of WoW from yourself and possibly talk about the other addons you use and what benefits you have from them. Keep up the good work 👍🏼
Thank you so much for this guide. As a newer player it was really nice to finally have this explained in an easy to follow guide. I didn’t realize you could seal twist before even initiating an attack on a target as well. I feel like the opening seal twist is grazed over in most guides. May the light guide you!
[TIMESTAMPS]
0:00 Introduction
0:33 What's this video about
1:08 Overall disclaimer
1:49 - Auto Attacking -
2:50 - What are Seals? (+Judgement) -
3:28 Swing-Timer Addon+Macro
5:19 WeakAura (info/disclaimer)
6:12 Seal Twisting Introduction
6:48 Seal of Righteousness
7:14 Seal of the Crusader
8:00 Seal of Martyrdom
10:04 Seal of Command
10:58 Seal of Justice
11:48 Seal of Light (level 30)
12:26 Seal of Wisdom (level 58)
13:02 - What is Seal Twisting -
14:19 Seal Twisting TLDR v1
14:57 Seal Twisting TLDR v2
15:30 Why use Seal Twisting
17:05 - How to Seal Twist -
17:22 V1 Righteousness + Martyrdom
18:35 - Two Way Twist -
19:00 Rotation
20:30 Weapon Speed
21:42 V2 Command + Righteousness
22:46 V2 + Crusader Strike (Season of Discovery)
23:48 Attack Timing Info
24:33 Timing Examples
25:40 Seal Twisting Variations
26:44 Justice + Command
28:22 Repentance
30:25 Righteousness + Justice
30:49 - One Way Twist -
32:17 - The Dream -
35:45 Ending
Awesome video Esfand, really comprehensive and easy to follow and showcasing great examples and niche additional information, absolute perfect guide right here
I don't even play paladin in SoD but these videos are amazing quality and are really nice to have on whilst farming gear and stuff, Esfand is a really good personality for this type of content.
when videos have too many over positive comments it is usually bots. since u are 2018 acc u might be too but who knows. aslo seal twisting is why i dont like a paladin even tho i love his buffs and suppot
I'm glad you did this! I'm sure this will be a good reference for newer paladins.
On the note about WeakAuras. "Baranor's TBC Swing TImer" is the one I use, has a little green line in the swing timer that tells you when to twist, it works in classic era AND SoD as well.
Dude your latest guides must be one of the best guides I've ever seen in my entire life. Thanks Esfand
I played horde in classic for my guild and when TBC came out I volunteered to be the guild ret paladin. I genuinely fell in love with the rotation and gameplay! I would absolutely play that again given the chance. Seal twisting led to some insane mega-crits!
Whoa rolled a Pally in SoD and had no idea Seal Twisting existed. Seasoned vet, just never knew. Thanks for this!
same here - played 10+ years, done cutting edge raiding etc, had no idea this existed
Thank God you made this guide. I was hoping you'd make one after watching the other Paladin guide for SOD. You read our minds
Very new to your content and am now an instant fan. Your delivery is dispensed precisely and easily followed. I am new to Ret, but man I love it with your insight, this is the most fun I've had in a long time. The fact that I could never grasp the concept until now shows me I simply had the wrong teachers. Thanks estand!
-Liadin
I miss TBC ret. Thank you to creators like Esfand and others who's content helps people learn the tech!
Amazing guide Esfand! Truly the passion of someone who loves and embodies the Ret Paladin 🔥
I picked up playing paladin in SoD again after not playing paladin since TBC vanilla. I didnt know about twisting then or even now but thanks to Esfand I just want to leave work, go home and practice twisting. Seems so much more fun to play like this!
Thanks for such an amazing guide! This really helped me from going oom while doing "bad" dmg to feeling like i know what the heck im doing.
Keep up the good work, thanks for putting in the time!
Incredible guide, genuinely. Love this content from you
Thank you!!! I have been waiting a few days now for this video❤
I always was an advocate for the wrath ret and i still love it to this day and beyond. But now with SoD i'm trying myself at the classic/tbc ret gameplay and i've learned so much about it with your explanation and now i also get to know the fun of it. Thanks a lot my dude! Love your guide videos and your content in general.
Finally some one who i can understand talking about seal twisting ! Ty
im really glad youre back into making wow videos esfand. such a cool guy and great knowledge thanks man
Thanks man :) I’ll always come and go as I please, and this may be the last time I ever get to explore something truly NEW in Classic WoW with Season of Discovery so it’s been a real treat for me
Man appreciated this video tonnes played paladin to death in vanilla and tbc and still learned so much especially looking forward to twisting into justice for pvp looks amazing
These kinds of guide videos are your best content, Esfand.
I learned something new today. Good stuff big man
Seal of Command twisting into Seal of Blood/Martyr is my favorite Paladin gameplay ever! Great guide Esfand, I hope that we get a twist rune at some point!
Great video Esfand! Love these guides and your passion behind it.
Glad you enjoy it!
And today I learned that whilst I may feel The Light flowing through me, I've still a ways to go to truly mastering its power. So now I shall practice this technique obsessively.
Esfand you have inspired me to become a wow creator! You are the true GOATED Paladin!
Hey Esfand, I had a good idea how this worked before, but the basic macro explanation helped so much for getting this to work how I wanted it. Good guide, thank you.
explain
This video was great man! Keep them coming!
Never played pally before until SoD so I've never heard of this. I also got Divine Storm last night so I'm excited to try and add that into the rotation
Paladin's i have always struggled with, thank you for your video :) This is awesome, i will now consider a Paladin now on my next character after Hardcore server :)
Seal of Martyrdom and Command twist is all I want for Christmas this year.
I liked the video a lot. The explanation was very detailed. As a pally player myself, I'm playing holy. I like it a lot and you basically can't run out of mana. I'm soon going to get my healer runes and I'll most likely be able to solo heal 5 out of 7 bosses in bfd then. It's insane. I wanted to know if you're covering all pally specs or just ret BTW.
Have a nice day
awesome coaching dude. very easy to follow and well explained!
this was such an awesome and informative video for someone who's been wanting to jump back into the game. I mained rogue from TBC through Legion and then left the game. I was thinking of picking up Pally for SoD and was afraid the auto attack gameplay was going to be boring. Glad to see I was wrong and that Pally can be quite complex and engaging to play! going to have to play around and see if it's as enjoyable for me as it seems to be for you :)
Very long guide, but every second is worth it! I really miss TBC paladin. Nothing is quite like it.
Love this - thanks, and more guides please!
Hey Esfand! I play since 2004 and only got the chance to play all classes now in SOD. The Class i never played is Paladin, i wasn't so much into just standing at a mob and hitting it. Now i reched lvl 40 and must say it's a lot deeper than i thought. I figured out a lot of the details of what the class can do (especially with runes). This video just added a whole new layer! Very grateful for the detailed explanations and the care you put in it is awesome! Count me as a new subscriber!
Yo, thanks for this man, also props to the editor, great video.
Thanks Esfand! Out of desperation to try something new in Classic Wow, I am leveling a human paladin, and when reaching such degenerative lows I immediately thought of you!
Thanks for the video, just what I have been looking for. I have casually played paladin for for years, but never understood how to not look like a weak class when I am playing with others. I am definitely going to try twisting. Nice to see paladin passion. Keep the videos coming.
Thanks for this guide man, I think there's a wpn swing timer out there that accents the window that you can twist, that may make it easier for new players to see what's going on. Thanks again, see you out there. Cheers
Oh yeah got that OG Nost and before era Esfand back boys
Was literally in chat about to ask if you could make a seal twist tutorial! Thanks Esfand
15 years playing ret pally and I’m still learning things, thanks dude 😊
For freaking 15 u havent realized paladins can seal twist?😅
@@user-oh7fv6ds3k The forum is full of people saying that. You feign surprise to insult. I know tons of players who barely know the macro tricks many classes can do. They learned enough to have fun, but never challenged their learning. The amount of old school druid and hunter players that don't know all of the little tricks the classes bring, is astounding.
Very helpful Guide, thanks!
Thanks for making this guide buddy! Good for the new rets to learn how to do this
Thank you so much for these. 1st time Paladin here and get so much info
Have fun!
I seal twist in classic wow and its very satisfying hitting the proc from the darkmoon card nature trinket and the flame lash trinket, really puts me up in the top 10's in the 20 man raids
Truly a great and comprehensive guide, Esfand. Stellar work 💪... Unfortunately, I absolutely hate the fact I need to glue my eyes to a swing timer; I can't stand seal twisting 🤣, drives me nuts!
Likewise, it made me stop playing pala in TBC until wotlk.
What a crazy tecnic. This is what I'm looking in guides, thanks. Plz continue doing what you doing)
Its crazy how many new paladins i've seen lol it warms my heart.
Please Blizz make the dream a reality, and thank you for SoD. We are having a blast.
I am apart of the Martyr and command twist waiting room ! We will get our time!!! :)
Loved the video boss! I would like to add some things:
1- All Paladins will know this but, Judgement has no GCD. That's crucial to understand the rotation, Seal+Judgement only consumes one GCD.
2- Right now Divine Storm just outperforms SoM in every situation, even in single target DPS. Therefore choosing SoM in PvE is technically trolling. DS will do more dmamage, not to mention when there are more than one target, it's easier to use, heals you and your party, etc. If they allow SoC and SoM twist that may chaange and be the single target preference, I hope this is the case.
3- One thing it is never talked on forums is, twisting SoR and SoC while having DS in your runes. I did some calculations yesterday and I don't think it is profitable. In order to be effective you need to burn your cooldowns asap, including Judgement. But Judgement NEEDS to be Judgement of Command to not lose DPS. Therefore you would have to calculate your twists so, every time you are using DS, CS or Exorcism, you have SoC up and running. For this, there could be some moments where you have your cooldowns ready but you are in SoR, so you have to change into SoC first, before the 1.5s swing, to use your ability and swing with SoC on. Assuming you use your skills on cooldown the rotation goes like this. SoR active, start the fight, SoC+swing+judgement,SoC,CS,DS,Exorcism. Now you have 3sCD on crusader strike and SoC up. You have no time to twist into SoR and into SoC, assuming your swing lasts more than 3, therefore you just wait with SoC up for CS to come. For when it comes and you use it, your DS is also almost available, again you have no time to twist. And this goes on and on. The opportuniy windows to twist those seals while burning your CD's effectively is so small, that this makes, for me, incredibly hard and uneffective the twist. I hope you understand what I am trying to say haha. This is only for PvE purposes tho.
4- Thanks for the SoC SoJ tip for PvP, will start practicing it from today!
Was looking for this comment. With all the added buttons to press in sod, I can't see a world which it's worth it to try and get an extra 20 holy damage in using twisting, especially with the mana issues as they are. Far more useful for pvp, the potential stun proc really is huge.
@@mattmorrison7895 I have been trying it today and literally 0 times proced, I must be the unluckiest Paladin in the server hhaha
I really hope they bring back the TBC style paladin, I've never had as much fun in this game as I did in TBC.
The rotation just clicked perfectly and it led to some amazingly satisfying moments.
So far I’m enjoying Paladin alt. Just got my. DS and now I see this video give me more hope
Great Guide, thank you for making it. I almost wonder if they're hesitant on allowing Martyrdom to be twistable with Command for fear of ret becoming to strong or seal twisting becoming mandatory for ST dmg. It seems like they really want both set ups to be viable but the trade off there is that Martyr isn't twistable with command since Martyr does give mana back to the raid. Idk, hopefully we'll get some clarification on it and maybe the ability to do that.
Great guide!
Such a good video, very well paced, good information, I recently made my paladin in SoD and I'm going to use this guide to ERADICATE THE UNHOLY FROM AZEROTH. I would love to see more paladin guide videos!
Thanks dude, im a total noob to wow and im playing paladin and this is really helpfull.
Same
great guide esfand! thanks! first time playing pala
There's an added benefit to twisting command and martyr: they count as weapon swings so they add opportunities for wild strikes procs.
Didn't get into seal twisting until the end of TBC but maaan I really do love it. Really hope Blizz fix that martyr and comand can be twisted together. Awesome video :)
thank you sir esfand , im a paladin andy in wotlk and i wanted to try it in sod too! got to level 20 without seal twisting (didnt know it exists) and it still was fun! cant wait to do even more damage hehe
This video there opened some more of my chromozones, I had no idea something like that can be done. Thanks!
Best sealtwisting guide I ever read/watched! Really appreciate your hard work! Lets make sealtwisting great again :'D
good stuff as always!
I played paladin when classic came back out. Had a hard time with it. Wish I had found you then. I definitely had a fundamental misunderstanding of the class. I had started in wrath. Now I started a lock with SoD. Then I saw your last guide and rolled a paladin last night.😂
Yeah I wish I had made these types of videos on initial Classic launch, I used to do this type of stuff on my RUclips streams and stuff back in 2017, and when Classic came out I was just streaming ALL THE TIME and neglected my RUclips for months. So coming back on doing the guides I missed out on doing in 2019 is a real passion project for me, and seeing people enjoy them is super fulfilling :D
Good stuff Esfand, keep it up brother!
Appreciate it!
My favorite part was when he went "AhhhhUUUUHHH"
i actually started to understand at the 14:00 mark or so because this was kinda making me mad but im getting it now and im gonna try it out.
“Esfand made me mad at first but then I get it now” story of my life lol
i had 0 clue that activating a new seal gives you 0.4 seconds window to do more damage. played WoW most of my life and i never knew that haha, ty for the awesome guide!
I'm a firm believer of the RUclips voice. Absolutely beautiful.
Lol do I have a RUclips voice? maybe it’s just my explaining voice
Paladins are gods! Thanks for this video!
Please Blizzard allow us to twist Martyrdom into Command I'm begging you. SOD is great anyway but this would complete it.
This is fucking sick. Just made my Paladin gameplay even more engaging. I love it. Thanks esfand.
didnt know that yet. cool stuff
I would have loved to have the little chapters on the view-bar. Named after the topic that you talk about
I’ve never had more fun playing world of Warcraft then tbc seal twisting. I’ve staying on private server for tbc just to be able to seal twist and see those command procs proc another blood. It’s a skill gap that is only good. In this note it’s not equal with horde if we get seal twisting and they don’t have totem twisting for a shaman which was also very fun.
am i a seal twisting paladin? no. was this the best and easiest to understand guide ive ever seen? yes.
Thanks man means a lot :D
Tbc classic ret pally was easily my favorite rotation I've ever played in all of Wow's history. I am hoping to see it added to SoD because I'd love to have that gameplay loop back
Thank you for saving wow.
Nice guide 👍
Ive never actually learned to seal twist properly iv done it by fluke a few times but never really bothered in SOD because the rotation with crusader strike seemed to difficult and my mana seems to be an isse a lot of the time. That being said, I would LOVE to try a martyr into command or vice versa
thank you, ser Esfand.
my husband, a paladin is very grateful for this guide.
this is great
I thoroughly enjoyed it, I recently came back to play wow, played 2005-2010 ish.
started with retail, in July 2023 I was completely lost. Went back to classic, wotlk, those games were ruined because u can buy a wow token and sell it.
So I went to hardcore that was fun.
Saw SOD come out and I’ve loved every second of it.
I’d love to see more, specifically SPriest and Boomkin.
Those were my favorite classes to play back In the day. Keep ‘em coming.
Best seal twosting addon during BC classic i found was weak auras that gave me a visual confirmation when seal of command and aeal of blood proc at the same time. I of course picked a fire tornado because "twist"
Tbc classic was my first experience with old wow (played a little of cata in middle school but didn’t really start playing until I was in college when legion came out) and when I found out about seal twisting and got it down it became one of my favorite mechanics though I know it wasn’t intentional mechanic originally, when wrath classic came out I was disappointed with wrath version taking it away (not bad by any means still fun in its own right) but no other game I have played has anything like seal twisting and every time I play ret on retail even though it has so much more I don’t have as much fun as I do with twisting,also I have to say I like the auto attack focus in classic over ability spam make weapons feel more important itself not just the stats
TBC Classic really was something special for us man, wish more people would understand
Was a great reminder, not my thing as for game play, but I can see the appeal. I'm hoping that in later phases we might get Templar's Verdict, for me that would *chef's kiss* wake of ashes would be nice, BUT even I think that would be pushing it.
Esfand! I see you as the spokesperson, the leader of paladins, the one that will make blizzard bring seal twisting to SoD! I keep coming back to this video's comments to see if you have news on it xD Today they released a preview of SoD P2 and there was nothing about seal twisting and i'm losing my mind. Take us there fellow champion of the light!
first time really playing a paladin ever with nearly 10 yrs of on-and-off wow retail and classic(currently playing paladin in SOD) , and man lvling with seal of blood/righteousness twist felt so good after learning about it from this video. divine storm is nice too but yea 100% agree it just feels bland/similar to a lot of other classes, but its not satisfying like the seal twists are with how you have to time the twist with auto attacks. really really hoping they add the commandblood twist, its such satisfying gameplay it just hits different. anyway tyvm for the guide
Hey Esfand, I think its a great overall coverage on sealtwisting, but since the Video is so long I believe its a good idea to give us timestamps.
If you just want to know with what seals you can twist in sod for example, you need to find that information in a 36 min video.
1-2 Timestamps would solve that problem
12:57 is where the fun begins :P
Keep going mate, these kinds of videos are always interesting!
seal twisting is the main reason why I love TBC. I really hope to see it in SOD as well
so i have always always played paladin every single time i played wow, classic, TBC, and wrath, yuk to cataclysm and beyond. They released classic again and i multi-boxed pallies up until i healed. quit to work on buisness stuff and am back for SoD and i never imagined this could be this in depth for judging the command with a twisted judgment, i cannot wait to try this all out!!@@!@#!@#$
Thanks for the info. Basically solidified what I'd figured out while playing SoD.
Couple of things. First, I feel it's worth mentioning that Judgement is not on the GCD with these other abilities. So all this talk about swing timers, and when to appropriately time things is greatly impacted by Judgement not being on the GCD with Crusader Strike and your Seals.
Second, while it is entertaining to pull off, it doesnt feel like a legitimate rotation. It feels like an oversight by Blizzard that people figured out how to manipulate. This made it seem "cool", cause it was unintentional and like you were getting away with something, lol.
Other classes get their dps by generally just working their rotation, not worrying about swing timers and overlapping unintentionally overlapable abilites.
Just my opinion, so obviously not a big deal.
Ultimately again, thanks for the information. Much appreciated.
Damn you’re right actually, I should have mentioned Judgement is not on the GCD good catch. As far as it being intended, it wasn’t something intended AFAIK in original burning crusade, but it was intentionally put in, in TBC Classic, Classic Era, and SoD because of the emergent gameplay that came about and that’s what TBC Paladin players wanted
great video, i had no idea seal twisting is a thing