I had one day left on my Digitakt 30 day trial from the music shop, so I packed everything back up nicely, was on my way to go return it when I saw this video open on a browser tab and hit play with the box in hand. Happy to say I am doing my second unboxing of the Digitakt and will keep it, thanks to you.
I heard several, (8?) pianos play a piece by Steve Reich once, where they did this out of phase thing. Really impressive that they manage to play the "wrong" speed right for, I don't know, ages. Wizardry basically. What was extra fun though was the noise from the traffic outside that every now and then came through adding a tiny bit of John Cage, and then in the huge windows we could se warped and mirrored reflections of the citylife that looked like the kind of arty filming that you can find in documentaries about minimalists and such from that time.
I watch videos like this then just stare into the middle distance and contemplate how I might unblow my mind.. This one will take a good long while. Thank you so much!
Very cool idea! This also works on the Volca Sample and the OP-Z. On the volca, you have to play a sample, hold it and only then set the decay to 127 to get infinite decay. And Loop has to be on, of course. On the OP-Z, holding the track button and turning the blue dial all the way up will make sure a note is held once played, and turning the green dial to 3 will enable looping on sample tracks.
Devin Snodgrass yes, the OP1 can kinda do this as well. In the drum sampler, set two notes to have the same parameters (in point, pitch etc.) except for the out point and voila. I don’t know how one could drone properly, I don’t have an op1.
This is funny, I've been recommended this video for almost a year and only got around to watching it because you mentioned it in the last video. Outstanding work, teaching these birds to fly, Ziv.
A different approach can also be done. For example, just change one (or more) measures/bars to two instruments playing the same phrase. Then use the different measures/bars to change a note/rest, usually at the end of the phrase, to achieve nearly the same effect however, with much more control -since everything is still counted at the same timing. Composers, especially within the minimalist movement, used this type phrasing. Serialism writers did nearly the same thing, though with pitch/notes. Then modernism took this to achieve atonal, and opposing key structure, tension. Basically similar to adding/subtracting a beat in your sequence -if more than one line is used.
The rhythmic phasing part is amazing! It sounds so good and the bass complements it so nicely. I'm definitely going to play around with this technique.
One of my favorite videos! If anyone is interested in this sort of (out of) phased looping but with much longer samples the Tsunami Wav Trigger is a great option. There are also ways to combine loops that are intended to stay in sync with those you want to go out of phase.
On digitakt you can use sequencer while looping. If you use trig condition 1st - for loop track, use other as regular if you want to. And thanks for all your work!!!
Brilliant Ziv. As is usually the case with your videos, this opened my eyes to something I'd never have thought of on the Digitakt. If I end up pulling an all-nighter off down an ambient rabbit hole tonight it's all your fault!
You can also do this via MIDI in Ableton, if you have a synth that supports multiple layered voices. The fun part there is that both copies of the voice can share automation data, even though the notes change in phase relationship, so you can have shared filter movement or whatever.
consistently incredible content. I think the impact you must have on music is probably understated - you must inspire so many people. thank you for the hard work and the jewels!
I did a whole four channel sound installation using this kind of looping technique and with some help from overbridge. It’s a very underrated use for the digitakt!
Man, you’ve just brought the Digitakt back into the frame for me, think I’ve definitely settled on an Elektron! Thanks for the heads up about the video last week!
The two pieces of music you played for us here were beautiful. They stand alone as music I would enjoy listening to. There are of a very high quality and craft. If you made a youtube page of just your music, I would happily subscribe to that, too.
Korg's Electribe 2 can do this as well, though with its limited sample memory you'd probably want to record the sample at double or quadruple speed (which would equal 22 and 11 khz instead of the standard 44) and then pitch down on the ES2's sample editor ... which in turn would mean the sound fidelity is closer to actual tape loops as well. You can compensate for some of that quality reduction with effects and EQ.
Maschine is a master for this technique as well. People think of it as a groove box, but it’s an amazing complex sampler, soundscape creator doing exactly what you are doing.
Especially now since the update bringing the Audio Plugin which allows for looping with many adjustments to sample. Maschine software and hardware are my favourite tools for music making, expression and fun. I start many tracks on the iMaschine 2 app for iOS which is actually what led me to the Maschine gear. The same with Korg Gadget iOS app led me to Gadget 2 on mac. The synth sounds and GUI encourage my workflow.
Another way to use this technique is to have layers of samples (obviously of differing length) with only one or two notes/sounds each. This makes it easier to treat each part without affecting the on-going whole. I've used this with hardware and software samplers.
Fabulous idea- I love the possibilities this opens for evolving ambient sounds. I guess you could also sequence using conditional triggers with different bar lengths too. Nice.
soooo cool! I heard 2 bars of the beginning of the video and tons of laughter here... Didn't expect that coming from the device. Never heard that track coming from anything else than an orchestra. Really cool idea! Thumbs up from me. :-)
thank you for this excellent and timely video (your video demos and tutorials in general are excellent). As it happens, after much internal debate I just splurged on the digitakt, and this totally aligns with my desired workflow and aesthetic. Very encouraging!
The GR-1 from Tasty Chips allows this too (limited to 4 tracks/timbre), maybe even in an easier and more direct way. I already made some "arabic soundscape" with one guitare sample of my own, and some strange animal screams made from samples of my creaky stool xD
I love what you do, you have the best videos and here's another one. Thank you so much, I've dreamed of creating off set loops. Now I can....in the day you would need 2 tape recorders ala Robert Fripp and Brian Eno We are so lucky today to have the technology to do things that were once impossible Thanks again for sharing this!!
I'm putting together a Music for Airports tribute EP of sorts based on the techniques you demonstrate here using my Octatrack. It's been a lot of fun, and I've learned a lot about the OT along the way.
The MPC Live/X & Akai Force can do this as well. On the Octatrack, you can just trigger the sample manually on the 9-16 keys for the samples you want to loop indefinitely & use the sequencer on the other tracks. It’s a great way to layer a drone to program drums to.
How can this be done with the mpc live? The looper? Looping pads on the mpc live has to be on note on, it can’t be done on one shots. I want it to loop independently infinitely, just like the video.
i wont lie much of this stuff is over my head im just really getting into the nuts and bolts of synths. its amazing how easy it is to use simple ideas to create interesting patterns. i want to buy a decent granular synth because i love those trippy off kilter sequences you can make with them. so far all i can do is stretch a sound and play with the grain size and add some delay. i find if you assign the grain size to a controller you can get some nice stuff going on. so much to learn
I first did this technique on an Akai S950 rack unit. I used to record live multisamples looped and muted them to get my variations in a song structure cause i didnt have a midi keyboard connected. Lol i believe ou can probably do this technique in the Samplr app on ios. Love your vids n tuts man. Thanks.
Took me a few attempts (set 'decay to inf' is key), now got some samples of Reich's 'City Life' phasing in and out, next I'll do 'Hand clapping'. Thanks!
Can this be done on the octatrack? Seems like a silly question I know. But I am on the fence between the two. The digitakt is winning solely for the looping of the samples like this, but also because I know for sure you can do trig the sequence to evolve the sound over time without restarting the sample loop. I’m sure this could be done on the octatrack but am finding it hard to get an actual answer.
I've been stalking your channel for a while, great work and nice voice.... this video is genius, shame I'm not likely to get a digitak (I've finally subscribed :) hehe)
I've been trying to find some ways to incorporate Output Arcade into my workflow (it is very fast) and this method works! Thanks for the tips, as always.
You can kind of hack this too in model:cycles. Two identical tracks and sequence of notes panned left and right. Play one sequence with a length of 16 the other with a length of 15. Experiment with nudging sequenced notes of one track off the grid and add load of reverb and delay. Then have fun with ctrl all and the all parameters available. It's not exactly the same as what Loopop is doing here but it's close and yields some trippy results.
I’m pretty sure you can do some form of this with volca sample (for this one “some form” is mandatory, just to adjust expectations), so404, any MPC, and very similar textures with any synth with multiple LFOs that can be unquantized,
This is one of the coolest things I seen done with the digitakt. I'm going to try this on my device....and then I'll come back here and brag about it... lol 😊
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Man this is mega. You're like a huge combination of an inspiring artist, a skilled musician, and a proficient teacher. Thank you!!
With a HUGE bank account!
Perfectly said . I will second this . But only after lowering it an Octave, and changing the stop and start point . Excellent video .
I had one day left on my Digitakt 30 day trial from the music shop, so I packed everything back up nicely, was on my way to go return it when I saw this video open on a browser tab and hit play with the box in hand. Happy to say I am doing my second unboxing of the Digitakt and will keep it, thanks to you.
It’s insane to me how much you know intimately about every device you share on this channel. I’ve learned so much thank you!
I heard several, (8?) pianos play a piece by Steve Reich once, where they did this out of phase thing. Really impressive that they manage to play the "wrong" speed right for, I don't know, ages. Wizardry basically. What was extra fun though was the noise from the traffic outside that every now and then came through adding a tiny bit of John Cage, and then in the huge windows we could se warped and mirrored reflections of the citylife that looked like the kind of arty filming that you can find in documentaries about minimalists and such from that time.
I love my Digitakt. I was so frustrated with it at first, but got the hang of it little by little; now I LOVE it. Thanks for the video and ideas!
That first piano loop reminds me of the first track on Music for Airports.
Good, simple technique. Thanks!
NorthernCat definitely hear that
Steve Reich - Piano Phase
yeah same here, I took so much nap over music for airport XD love Eno
I was thinking aisatsana by aphex twin
Exactly!
I watch videos like this then just stare into the middle distance and contemplate how I might unblow my mind.. This one will take a good long while. Thank you so much!
Very cool idea! This also works on the Volca Sample and the OP-Z.
On the volca, you have to play a sample, hold it and only then set the decay to 127 to get infinite decay. And Loop has to be on, of course.
On the OP-Z, holding the track button and turning the blue dial all the way up will make sure a note is held once played, and turning the green dial to 3 will enable looping on sample tracks.
ElLocoArtaud no, you use the same sample in two slots, but in each slot you set slightly different speed or length
does this work on the op-1 or just the opz
Devin Snodgrass yes, the OP1 can kinda do this as well. In the drum sampler, set two notes to have the same parameters (in point, pitch etc.) except for the out point and voila. I don’t know how one could drone properly, I don’t have an op1.
Nice thanks I will try that! It's always nice to get more out of the voclas
@@red13emerald thanks for this tip
This is funny, I've been recommended this video for almost a year and only got around to watching it because you mentioned it in the last video. Outstanding work, teaching these birds to fly, Ziv.
A different approach can also be done. For example, just change one (or more) measures/bars to two instruments playing the same phrase. Then use the different measures/bars to change a note/rest, usually at the end of the phrase, to achieve nearly the same effect however, with much more control -since everything is still counted at the same timing. Composers, especially within the minimalist movement, used this type phrasing.
Serialism writers did nearly the same thing, though with pitch/notes. Then modernism took this to achieve atonal, and opposing key structure, tension.
Basically similar to adding/subtracting a beat in your sequence -if more than one line is used.
The rhythmic phasing part is amazing! It sounds so good and the bass complements it so nicely. I'm definitely going to play around with this technique.
Yeah, really great sounds in this video.
I could listen to that ambient piano loop all day 😌
One of my favorite videos! If anyone is interested in this sort of (out of) phased looping but with much longer samples the Tsunami Wav Trigger is a great option. There are also ways to combine loops that are intended to stay in sync with those you want to go out of phase.
On digitakt you can use sequencer while looping. If you use trig condition 1st - for loop track, use other as regular if you want to. And thanks for all your work!!!
Thanks for this tip.
Great idea!
Brilliant Ziv. As is usually the case with your videos, this opened my eyes to something I'd never have thought of on the Digitakt.
If I end up pulling an all-nighter off down an ambient rabbit hole tonight it's all your fault!
Thanks! I take fully responsibility for the ensuing pleasure in doing so ;)
You can also do this via MIDI in Ableton, if you have a synth that supports multiple layered voices. The fun part there is that both copies of the voice can share automation data, even though the notes change in phase relationship, so you can have shared filter movement or whatever.
Yes. I suggest as a follow up perhaps looper pedal exploration. Sound on sound n such.
This is easily my favorite vid from this channel
Best synth channel hands down!
He knows his stuff.
7:09 I got shivers 🤩
consistently incredible content. I think the impact you must have on music is probably understated - you must inspire so many people. thank you for the hard work and the jewels!
That thing with the Digitakt was dope as HELL. Seriously. And how you just threw that together. Genius. Absolutely genius.
Damn. Had almost convinced myself not needing the dikitakt.
The GAS is real 😂
I did a whole four channel sound installation using this kind of looping technique and with some help from overbridge. It’s a very underrated use for the digitakt!
Great idea and a good reminder how useful it is to get out of the typical gear usage box.
needto just thinking exactly this as I am in a bit of a rut at the moment. This will pull me out!
Man, you’ve just brought the Digitakt back into the frame for me, think I’ve definitely settled on an Elektron! Thanks for the heads up about the video last week!
The two pieces of music you played for us here were beautiful. They stand alone as music I would enjoy listening to. There are of a very high quality and craft. If you made a youtube page of just your music, I would happily subscribe to that, too.
Thanks very much! First album coming soon...
Drift by Bicep is very similar to the first jam
Korg's Electribe 2 can do this as well, though with its limited sample memory you'd probably want to record the sample at double or quadruple speed (which would equal 22 and 11 khz instead of the standard 44) and then pitch down on the ES2's sample editor ... which in turn would mean the sound fidelity is closer to actual tape loops as well. You can compensate for some of that quality reduction with effects and EQ.
playing with two similar melodies with "last step" function being 3 or 4 could probably create some fun stuff.
Gorgeous. Creative and expressive. Wonderful video.
Maschine is a master for this technique as well. People think of it as a groove box, but it’s an amazing complex sampler, soundscape creator doing exactly what you are doing.
Especially now since the update bringing the Audio Plugin which allows for looping with many adjustments to sample. Maschine software and hardware are my favourite tools for music making, expression and fun. I start many tracks on the iMaschine 2 app for iOS which is actually what led me to the Maschine gear. The same with Korg Gadget iOS app led me to Gadget 2 on mac. The synth sounds and GUI encourage my workflow.
@@nathanjmansfield9969 same here, Maschine is my favorite tool and I have a lot of them.
Can you elaborate a bit? I can't find any video featuring Maschine used as a tape machine/drifting loop box.
Another way to use this technique is to have layers of samples (obviously of differing length) with only one or two notes/sounds each. This makes it easier to treat each part without affecting the on-going whole. I've used this with hardware and software samplers.
This is so wonderful! I had no idea you could set the decay to infinite on Digitakt.
Thanks so much for this!
Fabulous idea- I love the possibilities this opens for evolving ambient sounds. I guess you could also sequence using conditional triggers with different bar lengths too. Nice.
Oh snap, that twist and pan out at the start!
Fantastic! Thanks for talking about tape loops as a method. Looking forward to playing around free-time based loops on all my digital machines.
Yes I do like such Shenanigans specially when it is done by Loopop !! I love it!!
Been doing this for years in different ways...now I gotta check out this digitakt, thanks.
well that's just about the most beautiful tutorial i've ever seen. thanks mate. need to get one of those digitakts
Production RUclips needs more content like this. Amazing work and under 10 minutes.
Well that's going right in the "favorites" folder. Lovely stuff. Thanks for sharing your process.
Well I’m convinced that the Digitakt will be my next purchase. Very informative video Loopop!! Nicely done!!
This was pure gold! Please make more tips and tricks videos that teach us how to use the gear we already have instead of wanting new gear 😂
soooo cool!
I heard 2 bars of the beginning of the video and tons of laughter here...
Didn't expect that coming from the device.
Never heard that track coming from anything else than an orchestra.
Really cool idea!
Thumbs up from me. :-)
WTF ?!
you are awesome dude! the most inspirating person in this era!!!
Amazing final loop
The last loop is soo goooodddd! Want that as a full track :)
thank you for this excellent and timely video (your video demos and tutorials in general are excellent). As it happens, after much internal debate I just splurged on the digitakt, and this totally aligns with my desired workflow and aesthetic. Very encouraging!
I think I will go and buy a digitakt tomorrow. Your tutorials just make it better and better
Oo how original
Love the example at 5:27! 🖤 total Steve Reich! 🙂
I love the bird track! Beautiful sounds :) Nice effect with the pitch of the birds modulating too!
Loved to have watched this with the 4ms Sampler and/or Morpho.
"just do it"
Lovely bass pad at the end.
The GR-1 from Tasty Chips allows this too (limited to 4 tracks/timbre), maybe even in an easier and more direct way.
I already made some "arabic soundscape" with one guitare sample of my own, and some strange animal screams made from samples of my creaky stool xD
You are a god
I love what you do, you have the best videos and here's another one.
Thank you so much, I've dreamed of creating off set loops.
Now I can....in the day you would need 2 tape recorders ala Robert Fripp and Brian Eno
We are so lucky today to have the technology to do things that were once impossible
Thanks again for sharing this!!
My pleasure - Thanks for taking the time to write!
I need to go home and do this right now.
Great video! This can also be done in Eurorack using a sequencer like the the NerdSeq by cloning a pattern and making the copy one sample shorter.
Works like a charm with the euro Bitbox as well. Much appreciated, as always.
I'm putting together a Music for Airports tribute EP of sorts based on the techniques you demonstrate here using my Octatrack. It's been a lot of fun, and I've learned a lot about the OT along the way.
The MPC Live/X & Akai Force can do this as well. On the Octatrack, you can just trigger the sample manually on the 9-16 keys for the samples you want to loop indefinitely & use the sequencer on the other tracks. It’s a great way to layer a drone to program drums to.
How can this be done with the mpc live? The looper? Looping pads on the mpc live has to be on note on, it can’t be done on one shots. I want it to loop independently infinitely, just like the video.
@@synthsauce9886 - If you don't want to use Clips, you have to do it using TubeDigga's "hack" like this: ruclips.net/video/xkUzfGAP_Rw/видео.html
i wont lie much of this stuff is over my head im just really getting into the nuts and bolts of synths. its amazing how easy it is to use simple ideas to create interesting patterns. i want to buy a decent granular synth because i love those trippy off kilter sequences you can make with them. so far all i can do is stretch a sound and play with the grain size and add some delay. i find if you assign the grain size to a controller you can get some nice stuff going on. so much to learn
I've just tried this. Thanks a lot for the inspiration. Your vids are great!
This has been incredibly inspiring, I think it might just be the thing that helps me get back in to it
I first did this technique on an Akai S950 rack unit. I used to record live multisamples looped and muted them to get my variations in a song structure cause i didnt have a midi keyboard connected. Lol i believe ou can probably do this technique in the Samplr app on ios. Love your vids n tuts man. Thanks.
Thanks for the knowledge! Steve Reich FTW! 👍🏻👍🏻
Great tips here, Loopop! Thank you.
Brilliant. And very relaxing, too!
These sound amazing. So much inspiration in here.
i LOVE these shenanigans. THANKS so much
the first piano reminds me a mix of Midori Takada - Crossing- and Steve Reich -Piano Phase, a really good reason to buy a model:samples. Thanks !
Fantastic video and very inspiring! I love how you can be so creative with elektron boxes without the sequencer.
Took me a few attempts (set 'decay to inf' is key), now got some samples of Reich's 'City Life' phasing in and out, next I'll do 'Hand clapping'. Thanks!
Beautiful stuff man.
Awesome! Definitely going to try this on the OT!
This is amazing, nice tips. Can't wait to get home and try with my octatrack
Can this be done on the octatrack? Seems like a silly question I know. But I am on the fence between the two. The digitakt is winning solely for the looping of the samples like this, but also because I know for sure you can do trig the sequence to evolve the sound over time without restarting the sample loop. I’m sure this could be done on the octatrack but am finding it hard to get an actual answer.
I just got mine a few days ago and made 16 tracks from this video today!
Once again very cool. You seem to be full of incredible musical ideas. Thanks for this new ‘lesson’!
My pleasure - thanks!
It's weird I'm listening to music for airports while taking a bath, and your piano loop fits really well with it 😊🛀✈️🎹
yoooo this first melody is so dope!!
So simple yet so wonderful.
Man, this is great!!! Have to try this!
I've been stalking your channel for a while, great work and nice voice.... this video is genius, shame I'm not likely to get a digitak (I've finally subscribed :) hehe)
So glad I found this channel.
I've been trying to find some ways to incorporate Output Arcade into my workflow (it is very fast) and this method works! Thanks for the tips, as always.
The Korg Volca Sample is great for this, and you can pick them up cheap, now.
You can do the same on e.g. a an old E-mu EMAX-II stereo sampler. Set e.g. different loop points or pich of the primary and secondary sample :)
That was incredible man..
Great voice, great channel, great info!
Thanks from Argentina!
You can kind of hack this too in model:cycles. Two identical tracks and sequence of notes panned left and right. Play one sequence with a length of 16 the other with a length of 15. Experiment with nudging sequenced notes of one track off the grid and add load of reverb and delay. Then have fun with ctrl all and the all parameters available. It's not exactly the same as what Loopop is doing here but it's close and yields some trippy results.
I did something similar with Korg Volca Sample 2 . It's good for some drone/ambient stuff, but for sure Digitakt makes it better.
Loopop, you make lovely sounds.. Thank you!
if you add enough loops of varying lengths, it could be that it takes hours or days until they loop together again
Very interesting Idea,
Thanks for your digitakt videos, it helps me see more in the instrument
What an inspiring video! Thanks for sharing a technique I hadn't thought of trying with the Digitakt!
Very nice indeed, thanks for sharing!
Really great idea! I've learned a lot of cool tricks that can be applied to Elektron boxes from your videos, so thanks for making them. :)
Nice. You could also do this on the Deluge using drone notes and sample loops points. I'm gonna have a go, and throw Morphagen into the mix too...
Here's what I was looking for!
Sounds similar to a day in bel bruit, love it
I’m pretty sure you can do some form of this with volca sample (for this one “some form” is mandatory, just to adjust expectations), so404, any MPC, and very similar textures with any synth with multiple LFOs that can be unquantized,
This is one of the coolest things I seen done with the digitakt. I'm going to try this on my device....and then I'll come back here and brag about it... lol 😊
Yes!
@@loopop I tried it with the FORCE, it was beautiful. Thanks for the tips!!! 👍