I've been particularly focused on this issue lately, reading Byung Chul Han's "Vita Contemplativa". This is part of why we have the impression of time going faster and faster, due to the missing "gaps" between events. Scrolling our phones gives us a continuous feed of meaningless dopamine hits with the feeling that we are "doing something" when in fact it is an illusion. I like to think about a piece of music- if it were all notes without rests between them, it would be very irritating and uninteresting. There is a balance between notes and rests that makes it appealing to us. It is slowing down and having periods of "nothing" that makes us feel that time is slowing down and makes the things that happen to us stand out and feel more important.
Lived time is more than clock-time; and lived space is more than geometry - welcome to the land of making (cultural-anthropological) sense via “thick description“ (Clifford Geertz). It is my impression that this what BC Han is trying to do: some deep phenomenology between/across/beyond cultures.
Interestingly, I couldn't get my headphones in the port on my phone when I went to listen to this. After 10 frenzied minutes with a toothpick, I managed to get a bit of grit out, and smiled when I saw what the topic was! Good stuff, thanks. I agree that it's more important to make sure the content we consume is healthy. I feel it straight away when I've drifted too far into the abyss with it. Thanks again. Over and out!! 😅
Max Frisch called one of his books “Homo Faber“ - and Sting once sang “... they bild machines they can't control...“ (The Dream of the Blue Turtle); and Master Lao (yes, the one with the Daodejing): “Told ya, didn't I“ ... a long, long story, indeed.
Good morning Jack, I fear that the human development is on the way to degenerate with all these technological tools . . . look around what‘s going on. They forgot one big thing to teach us from the beginning : a responsible handling with all this technologys. Second: The place of silence is the mountain of silence in yourself but it‘ isn‘t so easy to find them in these days - you need to switch off everything, shut up and just sit! Have a nice weekend! 🙏🙏💡
Man that's great advice! And here's the funny thing, I was just getting ready to do that, to shut off my computer as well as my phone and just sit and listen to the rain… And then I decided to check RUclips to see if anyone had commented on my video and you did and your comment was?? Get offline! Great advice, catch you later my friend.
You didn't upset me at all, that's not what I meant!! I was being serious, you were reminding me to get offline, which I am ALWAYS happy to be reminded of. Seriously. One good reason I want to get offline is I don't communicate well here, as I didn't in that message to you. Anyway, ciao my friend!
@@zenconfidential25 Your‘re right, sometimes the communication here leads to misunderstandings. But this could be happens with all type of communication and we can clear up misunderstandings. That‘s one thing what makes people human. The best way of course to understand each other is to meet each other - so when you sometimes in Germany you are cordially invited to me. 😁
One day a woman came and presented it to my teacher...and the second she left he gave it to me! I've worn it ever since. It's some ecotech thing, runs on the sun and hand movements. I think it's called a Citizen watch.
I wish they would give the 4 year old who is outside and cries until midnight near our building (in Thailand) ... a smartphone. Because THEN it (she) would probably be silent.
on the working with music or walking with a podcast i kind of see it like putting a picture on the wall. is it antimindful to put a picture on the wall? in some sense it is, because i can't tend to the wall any more. but in the bigger, more correct sense it isn't, because i am a human, and humans control their environment as a way of creating the conditions for their life, and that is a non-discardable part of being human. i could as easily have said, why am in inside, where i cannot attend to the earth and sky, in the first place? it then just becomes another of those things. being in my life as wholly as possible, and taking the momentum from that, and choosing at every point to be in my life as wholly as possible, and using all the tools and all the discernment i have to do that, is my interpretation of the way.
@@zenconfidential25 The case that always trips me up is this one. I write software and before that I did math academically. For a lot of what I do, I ask myself a hard question that I don't know the answer to and I kinda have to wait a while for my brain to come back with an answer. It might be a few minutes. It doesn't help to push it at all. But I can't really DO anything during that time that would distract my brain. It's actually busy under the seams, trying to put things together. I usually just, say, go for a walk distractedly, muttering to myself a bit. Seems like the worst thing from a Zen point of view. But it's how I am used to working on hard things. So, hmm. What I really think is that I'm overthinking thinking. I think that's the best thing to overthink.
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I've been particularly focused on this issue lately, reading Byung Chul Han's "Vita Contemplativa". This is part of why we have the impression of time going faster and faster, due to the missing "gaps" between events. Scrolling our phones gives us a continuous feed of meaningless dopamine hits with the feeling that we are "doing something" when in fact it is an illusion. I like to think about a piece of music- if it were all notes without rests between them, it would be very irritating and uninteresting. There is a balance between notes and rests that makes it appealing to us. It is slowing down and having periods of "nothing" that makes us feel that time is slowing down and makes the things that happen to us stand out and feel more important.
I bought that one, gave it away, need to buy it again. BC Han is straight up an antidote to my cell phone addiction. Thanks for the reminder.
@@zenconfidential25 it’s not as easy a read as some of his others, but worth a slow read 👍
@@SteveHorne thanks for the book recommendation, added to wish list
Lived time is more than clock-time; and lived space is more than geometry - welcome to the land of making (cultural-anthropological) sense via “thick description“ (Clifford Geertz). It is my impression that this what BC Han is trying to do: some deep phenomenology between/across/beyond cultures.
Interestingly, I couldn't get my headphones in the port on my phone when I went to listen to this. After 10 frenzied minutes with a toothpick, I managed to get a bit of grit out, and smiled when I saw what the topic was! Good stuff, thanks. I agree that it's more important to make sure the content we consume is healthy. I feel it straight away when I've drifted too far into the abyss with it. Thanks again. Over and out!! 😅
That's Content Kismet!!! I love it when that happens.
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Max Frisch called one of his books “Homo Faber“ - and Sting once sang “... they bild machines they can't control...“ (The Dream of the Blue Turtle); and Master Lao (yes, the one with the Daodejing): “Told ya, didn't I“ ... a long, long story, indeed.
Good morning Jack,
I fear that the human development is on the way to degenerate with all these technological tools . . . look around what‘s going on. They forgot one big thing to teach us from the beginning : a responsible handling with all this technologys.
Second: The place of silence is the mountain of silence in yourself but it‘ isn‘t so easy to find them in these days - you need to switch off everything, shut up and just sit!
Have a nice weekend!
🙏🙏💡
Man that's great advice! And here's the funny thing, I was just getting ready to do that, to shut off my computer as well as my phone and just sit and listen to the rain… And then I decided to check RUclips to see if anyone had commented on my video and you did and your comment was?? Get offline! Great advice, catch you later my friend.
@@zenconfidential25 I didn‘t mean to upset you, i‘m very sorry .
🙏
You didn't upset me at all, that's not what I meant!! I was being serious, you were reminding me to get offline, which I am ALWAYS happy to be reminded of. Seriously. One good reason I want to get offline is I don't communicate well here, as I didn't in that message to you. Anyway, ciao my friend!
@@zenconfidential25 Your‘re right, sometimes the communication here leads to misunderstandings. But this could be happens with all type of communication and we can clear up misunderstandings. That‘s one thing what makes people human.
The best way of course to understand each other is to meet each other -
so when you sometimes in Germany you are cordially invited to me. 😁
19:12 I thought "the greatest technology of all" would be the off-button 😁
Ha!!! You know what, you're right. The off button IS the best tech ever.
It says on my screen he replied 13 days ago. A koan.
What kind of watch are you wearing if you don’t mind me asking
One day a woman came and presented it to my teacher...and the second she left he gave it to me! I've worn it ever since. It's some ecotech thing, runs on the sun and hand movements. I think it's called a Citizen watch.
I wish they would give the 4 year old who is outside and cries until midnight near our building (in Thailand) ... a smartphone. Because THEN it (she) would probably be silent.
Ugh good point, and you know what? I'm sure Apple and Google have programs in place to start floating kids there phones to addict them early.
@@zenconfidential25 you've heard of elf on a shelf ... here's phone on a drone!
on the working with music or walking with a podcast i kind of see it like putting a picture on the wall. is it antimindful to put a picture on the wall? in some sense it is, because i can't tend to the wall any more. but in the bigger, more correct sense it isn't, because i am a human, and humans control their environment as a way of creating the conditions for their life, and that is a non-discardable part of being human. i could as easily have said, why am in inside, where i cannot attend to the earth and sky, in the first place?
it then just becomes another of those things. being in my life as wholly as possible, and taking the momentum from that, and choosing at every point to be in my life as wholly as possible, and using all the tools and all the discernment i have to do that, is my interpretation of the way.
Interesting point, thank you. The podcast as a kind of picture on the wall of the mind!
@@zenconfidential25 The case that always trips me up is this one. I write software and before that I did math academically. For a lot of what I do, I ask myself a hard question that I don't know the answer to and I kinda have to wait a while for my brain to come back with an answer. It might be a few minutes. It doesn't help to push it at all. But I can't really DO anything during that time that would distract my brain. It's actually busy under the seams, trying to put things together. I usually just, say, go for a walk distractedly, muttering to myself a bit. Seems like the worst thing from a Zen point of view. But it's how I am used to working on hard things. So, hmm.
What I really think is that I'm overthinking thinking. I think that's the best thing to overthink.
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