@@dionjeremy1711 Nothing worse then someone who acts like a tool while being wrong in their position... @damianraver clearly needs to take his own advice and stfu.
@@RestrictedHades Same with race tracks, we need to go to them as spectators or participants more if we want them to stay open. We also need to fight the stupid twats that decide to build residential next to race tracks that where in the middle of now where for a reason, and are now under attack for noise, which restricts the type of cars that can run and therefor the number of series that can run there.
It should have been called the Celica in my opinion. What do you reckon Russell, because the Supra name is very respected and I don't think a BMW straight 6 will blow peoples minds nowadays.
But then they started the project with the intention of building a Supra. Hence why they won't settle for anything other than an inline-6 as one of the engine options. It would be silly for toyota to build a new generation supra and then suddenly rename it like idk a FT-1 just because it shares some components with BMW
Yeah I agree. My friends and I said the same thing. Celica GTS or something else. I'm sure it drives well and all that but this release was underwhelming considering that Nissan has the GTR as its sports car flagship. I think people were hoping for a real competitor for Godzilla...oh well.
True. The supra concept wasn't even ment for the supra. The thing that they could have done is renaming it and just saying that this is the successor for the supra or something
ruclips.net/video/mognhPrCqf4/видео.html my amuse 370z vent not just style it functional i don't know why Toyota make vent that you can not make it function....or modified to be funtion...
This is a good point. What rarely gets mentioned is that Toyota went over the whole car, checking it and checking it again, every part. They do this much better than the Germans.
I can agree on that. At least they coukd get an option for a manual. And I don't care if the automatic shifts faster and can handle the power of the engine, just make a 7 speed or so. Would be also a thing that could be remembered
BMW motors aren’t reliable and extremely expensive to maintain! Who in their right mind wants a Toyota ,that has parts in it from a problematic car manufacturer! The BMW N63 motor is a example of bad German engineering!
@@bwbmoreb They have questionable reliability and are expensive to FIX, but they are not particularly expensive to do regular maintenance on. Most of the regular engine maintenance can be done DIY with little trouble. It's not as if they are a Ferrari and it costs $7000 to do an oil change because they have to take half the car apart to do it.
hell nah the 86 is slow af, same with the BRZ with that heavy ass boxer, the real balanced car is a 2003 saturn ion aka the best car ever wit that sweet 2.2l 140hp GM engine, you CANNOT beat that.
However.. supra do share many part from last gen BMW... Magna just put it together not supply the part.. BMW is the one arrangement all the part.. other that toyota original part...
I know right?! However, this our own fault. The majority of "sports cars" are being purchased with automatic transmissions! So much so, that most are car companies no longer offer a manual gearbox!
To be fair, if speed is you’re primary concern then you want the fastest transmission possible, which is an automatic. Manuals are more fun to play around with on the road, but in a race the automatics (especially good dual clutches) will smoke manuals due to way faster shifts.
@@caglioso while this is true...a very large majority of auto enthusiasts dont' track their cars in a competition regularly... so its more about the enthusiast factor driving around the streets and back country roads (where manual is WAY more fun). If you can shave .2's of a second off in the 1/4 or the 0-60, who cares. Then the weather, altitude, driver skills, tire compounds, etc all come in to play and having a car that's very marginally quicker at shifting is basically irrelevant. I can honestly say when I hear about these new sports cars coming out without the option for manual, I feel dooped by the manufacturers who are stiff-arming the enthusiasts and catering to those who care about statistics on paper.
After watching this I am even more happy with my 86. Prefer the "Subaru" over "BMW". It does not have the power. But the most fun and affordable car a person can have.
So now you have to do a comparo between the new Supra and the BMW Z4 to see if the bimmer is worth the price increase and maybe the performance over the Supra.
Randall Collins The z4 is faster or .4 tenths faster than the Supra due to more hp , there’s a chance that you could get a discount on the Bmw vs $0 discount from Supra
I work at bmw as a technician, I can tell you the car sounds good but it sounds exactly like a z4. All the tech is bmw down to every button. Even the brake calipers look the same, I dont know a lot about toyotas but this car looks like it has wheel bolts not lug nuts. The engine cover it self is just a rebadge, just like the car. I like the z4 but the fact that I expected so much more from the new supra I'm disappointed.
I'm *not* a BMW technician, nor am I extremely knowledgeable about Toyotas, but I do have eyes that tell me you are correct about the Supra basically just being a rebadge job. I'm also a bit disappointed, but since I wouldn't be a buyer (due to my physical limitations) anyway they're not marketing to me. I wish both companies the best, and I'm glad they at least didn't do what Mitsubishi & Chevrolet did with the Eclipse & Blazer names.
@@harbingertheheretic3541 The Eclipse is worse than the Blazer. The Blazer is just wan evolution of what people want today vs back then across the entire Blazer timeline. The Eclipse is well a totally different type of vehicle in which the name wasnt a good choice.
i think there are a lot of toyota engineers that arent getting enough credit here, the cars have plenty of differences and many components that were originally the same were modified to fit toyota standards. similar yeah, but not a rebadge
But it isn't... its development story speaks for itself. "...We've driven prototypes of both, and each have their own personality. Unlike the Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ "Toyobaru" platform-sharing coupes--which are nearly indistinguishable from each other in styling or feel--the Toyota Supra and BMW Z4 have their own distinct personality, body, interior design and package, and driving dynamics. So don't be tempted to say they are the same car: One with a roof and one without. The Supra is every bit the slick Toyota you expect it would be and should be." -Chris Walton, author from MotorTrend
Yea he makes this mistake several times. Comparing Z to Supra too. Talks about Japanese sports car arms race in the 90s... no mention of Skyline or NSX. Nobody ever compared 300ZX to a Supra Mark IV. The Z was an $18,000 car, the Supra upwards of $45,000. It's hard to take an "expert" seriously when they're just talking nonsense to fill 10minutes of time.
@@APsupportsTerrorism Skyline GTR and NSX are a tier above Supra back in the 90s. Supra, RX-7, 300ZX and 3000VR4 are more in line.... again talking about JDM. 300ZX would have been more popular had it been easier to tune (its hard to tune due to engine structure) 3000VR4 was too heavy and high-tech at the time.... therefore you have RX-7 and Supra... Supra with its bullet-proof engine became super popular.... but stock for stock, it was behind NSX and Skyline GT-R... slightly but still a tier below. I'm a Toyota guy, more so the MR2-GT and Celica GT-Four, basically the "Robin" type Sports cars from Supra.... but respected the Supra. But I'm also a Nissan guy, Skyline GT-R R32 was my first sports car and I dearly miss it.... the 300ZX was also in my garage at one point and it was a heck of a sports car. The guy in the video made a great point, Supra became ultra-popular in America because of the movie. If the 300ZX or 3000VR4 was in the movie it would be very popular also today, but obviously as mentioned due to their flaws the tuning crowd will always put the Supra first.
It doesn't make sense, the super sport cars are no longer make manual . because they said automatic is faster. yes, it is, but they forgot one thing, the sport cars are not for race. it's for street use only, do you think how fast you can drive on local? like back to back intersection? we need driving pleasure, and passion, fun to drive, automatic has never bring this to ppl, the manual, the one has clutch in the vehicle, it's not the freaking shifters behind the wheel. Do you understand, supra? nsx? GTR? and any Europe's super sports car.
I’m not a super diehard fan, that being said I really like this car. Minus the fact the interior is straight out of a BMW I wouldn’t mind it. They shouldn’t have used the supra name plate though, this is more or so a spiritual successor.
1) Toyota actually designed the interior. The parts bin come from both automakers. 2) Like the Z, it stays true to its legacy while being reimagined from a grand tourer to a pure sports car.
@@doctorlarry2273 The parts are from both BMW and Toyota, while Toyota designed the whole interior and layout. As is development and customizations with the powertrain, chassis, etc. The changes are so major, that it's different from the Z4, and the amount of time it took in development proves that the new Supra still has a Toyota soul. (even such as when they successfully stress tested the engine for reliability) "...We've driven prototypes of both, and each have their own personality. Unlike the Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ "Toyobaru" platform-sharing coupes--which are nearly indistinguishable from each other in styling or feel--the Toyota Supra and BMW Z4 have their own distinct personality, body, interior design and package, and driving dynamics. So don't be tempted to say they are the same car: One with a roof and one without. The Supra is every bit the slick Toyota you expect it would be and should be." -Chris Walton, author from MotorTrend
Bmw has super tight regulations on noise, harshness, and other characteristics that i don't think any toyota will pass. Bmw would never go for it. Toyota should have developed their own car though.
@@Tigerex966 and made sure that engine wouldn't get messed up, they ran that engine over and over the make sure bolt and not as much wear that BMW have lol.
The Mk4 Supra also didn't have that much fanfare when it was released... It's only after F&F and the production stopped that it became really coveted..
I have three problems with the car: 1. Don't like how it looks, particularly in front 2. No manual, no deal. BMW sells manuals with inline six, so where is it? 3. BMW interior. Why put a Supra badge on it if it reminds you nothing of the MKIV legend?
Simple, BMW wants the Supra to be subpar to the Z4. When we get to hear Roman’s true opinion of the Supra, I will not be surprised that he would say that that dynamics of it is subpar to the Z4 and that the GT86’s dynamics is superior to both the Supra and the Z4 (in terms of handling).
@@unknownunknowns BMW and Toyota already split ways when the chasis and engine is designed. Everything from chasis tuning, engine tuning, rigidity, reliability, suspension, and balance is designed by themselves. Its no BRZ/86 deal
1. Looks are subjective but I do like the way it looks. 2. No manual because I'm guessing it's a cost development thing. Automatic sells more so it'll save Toyota by selling just one transmission and if the supra sells well they'll probably release a manual transmission. 3. It's really just a quick cash grab on Toyota's part. They're thinking most fans will buy the car because of the Supra name and get to charge a bit more too. A $50k FT1 probably wont sell as many units as a $50k Supra.
The glass is half FULL: You got a nice bmw interior and german engineering, plus the japanese meticulous attention to detail to make this car reliable, like all toyotas are renowned for. All for a good reasonable price. What more could you ask for? A manual trans? Probably someday, just wait.
It's a great engine and a great car, but man Toyota really shouldn't have called it a Supra. Seriously if Toyota called it the Toyota Z4 I'm sure no one will complain.
depends on your goal. The LC500 is a GT, and Toyota made it damn near impossible to tune and it has no aftermarket support. The supra is the exact opposite. But if you want to just cruise around, maybe track it for fun with Lexus reliability, then yes! LC500 everyday, buuut it is also more expensive.
@@miccheck11 I think I liked the grey one, myself, but yeah, that's pretty nice, too. Dark seems to mellow out some of the styling excesses there. Have to admit, for the money, I'd probably be starting to think F-type Jag with the six and the stick, if it came down to looks... And a stick.
@@OllamhDrab Now that most of the reviews are out I just noticed the grey one and wow. It's like the AMG satin grey and they did a great job with all of the color specs honestly. The Jag seems more like a gt car by comparison.
I have one and would never trade it for this supra. Although the looks are growing on me, price/performance wise its a real let down. Shame because I was always a toyota guy but the GTR was and is still best bang for buck.
The ridiculous thing is the new BMW Z4 has 382HP with the same exact engine as the Supra but the Supra only has 335HP they literally gave them a detuned engine to people who were wishing for a 3JZ engine. Could have at least shown enough respect to give them the same HP
It shows that bmw truly designed it..Toyota is full of shit when they claim they had part of designing the engine for the Supra.if that was true then the Supra would have the higher hp.this gen Supra will just be another rx8
@@slr7628 it literally has Toyota made parts in it. Look at published engine blueprints it's not detuned it has Toyota parts in it as well. Toyota chose to make it have that much hp
That's because the Z4 is a bit heavier than the supra, also the z4 have the bmw m3 and m4 as brothers but also as rivals as possible sales, so he needs to create a bit more of attraction to it, Toyota doesn't have a car like the supra capable of create a shadow over it like the z4. Also those engines aren't even at peak from the factory, a simple chip tune and ecu balance give them between 50 and 80 HP, a common mod for bmws and now, probably for the supra. Btw you couldn't gain 80 HP with a PC on the a80 lol, you needed money and real parts and of course at that point you didn't want ''only'' 80 hp more...
I feel like every complaint about the new BMW Supra could be somewhat forgiven had they did one simple thing,and that's given us a manual transmission. Sure,there would still be things to complain about,but at least it would maximize how fun it would be to actually drive it.
What bothers me is the unrealistic ideas some people wish the new supra was more like For example, some people talk about how the new supra should've been twin turbo with pushing almost 700hp but little do they know that would mean the car would be more expensive I understand people are upset that the new supra has a BMW engine and they think it's very underpowered but in all honest the Mk. 4 supra wasn't that powerful from the factory, yeah it was quick and fast but it was only about 330hp with a turbocharged 2jz from the factory In my opinion I think the Supras are kind of overhyped, I would honestly wish Toyota would bring back a powerful sedan like the Cressida back in the day, maybe make a Cressida package for the Avalon with a turbocharged or supercharged engine with a AWD option
@Chicha 17 You also do have to realise the cost of performance is much higher today. The McLaren F1 in '94 sold for roughly $800,000. A '19 Chiron starts at $3 million. Sure, the Chiron has way more bells and whistles, but Cars these days just cost way more to build. Toyota is pricing the new Supra at $50,000, compared to the 40~50k that the old TURBO supra was sold for. If you account for inflation, it is actually more affordable. For reference the 911 started at $60,000 in the 90s now it starts at $100,000. You could have bought a brand new M3 for $35K, cheaper than a supra. The supra was an expensive Car back in the day and hence the sale numbers struggled. Nobody is going to buy a toyota thats over $80,000. Also, yeah better performance =/= more powerful engine. Not true its about the power to weight ratio. Lighter the car, less powerful the engine it needs to be. You cant expect F1 engines to perform well inside a truck.
@Chicha 17 You are missing my point. How is the P1 comparable to the F1? The F1 was the fastest car when it was produced. It was also one of the most expensive sports car of the time. So today it would be the likes of the Bugatti or Koenigsegg, which you wont be able to buy with 1.4M. And I didn't account for inflation because I was comparing the price of the 911 and the m3 of the 90s with the price of the supra sold back then. Also to add there are many cars these days that are +1.5m which you would not have seen in the past, accounting for inflation. You may not care if it was a more expensive car, but trust me people do care about the prices of Toyota. People who don't know too much about cars, so most people who buy luxury cars who work instead of looking up car stats would most likely choose European badged cars rather than a Toyota if it was priced the same. Maybe lexus might be different. Would most people buy a $100,000 Toyota or a Porsche? How is weight not a factor of performance? All of the supercars theses days use Carbon, it isn't cheap. Imagine how slow a Koeningsegg would be if it was just steel and aluminium. It wouldn't be as fast as it would be. You have no idea how much weight does to the performance of the cars. You do realise that power isn't all there is to performance right? There is a reason why American cars cant make it as fast around the track as other cars. If you want straight-lining speed, get a corvette, that is not what Im looking for in a Japanese car. You are having these comparisons because people are overhyping the supra because all they see is a 1000hp++ fully rebuilt supra that cost like $70,000 to do. Which the average person buying a supra would not have the money or time to do. Please show me a video of a STOCK supra beating a lambo. Also the turbo on the Supra kicks in around 4k rpm, which goes against the norms of car performance which prefers less dramatic power increase. People were hating on the 86 when it came out, trust me people will get used to the new supra and would start to appreciate for what it is. Also, people hating on the new supra hasn't obviously driven one, and are complaining that it doesn't look like the FT-1 concept at all or it doesn't come with a 3JZ engine.
@Chicha 17 You say different price structures, but aren't all supercars targeted at the same luxury market? Just because the mclaren name lost value in 20 years doesn't mean that the Car market as a whole is coming out with few million dollar cars isn't what they are. If you start to talk about just power, heck might aswell start mounting jet engines. Please, when the Supra hit the US market nobody cared, thats why they stopped selling them. The Fast and Furious made the Supra name. Also be realistic, with the Lexus brand name, Toyota will never make a sports car that will cost more than a lexus coupe, it just goes against their corporate structure.
@Joshua Jacob no most people expect a Toyota to be a Toyota and there is plenty to not love like the fact that it is a 2 seater, doesn't look good and was built from BMW'S spare parts bin
@Joshua Jacob it has a BMW engine which is more expensive to maintain than a Toyota engine, plus, if it's powered by a BMW engine then most of the credit goes BMW and not Toyota That's like how people LS swap almost every car imaginable, and for the sake of this example let's use a Nissan Skyline GTR for an example, if I drive around in a LS powered GTR then it won't have that magical feeling of me driving a Nissan since I'm basically driving a Camaro with Nissan body and not an actual legendary GTR, that's the same problem people have about the new Supra, it's not providing that magical feeling of driving a true JDM car since it's a German car in disguise Sure it can still be fun to drive around in but it's not as fun as driving a true performance Toyota like it was back in the day
I have a 2019 Toyota 86 TRD special Edition and I absolutely love it! Yeah it isn't the fastest off the line but I don't care about that that's why I have a bike. I want something that's just pure fun to drive and the 86 has been the best car I have ever had. The only thing I wish it had that doesn't is t-tops. I think that would be sick on this car.
If BMW made a coupe version of the Z4 maybe you could but maybe not at the same time since they have the same platform, motor/transmission and electronics but that's about it the rest was Toyota, TRD and Gazoo Racing. BMW or Toyota aren't even gonna be building the Supra it will be built in Austria along with the Chrysler 300, Mercedes G Wagon and a few other vehicles sometimes car manufacturers outsource to manufacturing companies that aren't owned by them so they can build their cars to save money
@@lostbetrayed So basically what you're saying is that the new Toyota Supra is nothing but a piece of shit BMW made in another European country that doesn't come with a standard transmission and is basically an over priced hunk of BMW garbage with a Toyota badge? Totally pickin up what you're putting down.
@@dopeyduck8352 Can't be a flop if it's already selling out before even being available... The loudest voices on the internet are out numbered by the silent majority that purchase these without fuss. Heck, most folks complaining about the Supra are far from the demographic who even have thick enough wallets to sit on the fence with.
@@doctorlarry2273 They're already well in back order, but I keep hearing about how people who never bought a Supra before off the lot won't by this one, what a laugh. Everyone talks about how amazingly grate the old Supra is yet won't buy one themself, that's the joke, acting as if Toyota is losing out on sales, when the people actually in the market for a Z class car will go ahead & buy one assuming they have the finances.
In other word it a toyota support car video.. they let them borrow the car and they did the video... Independent review car will rip both car to piece since they both outdated for today market.
Honestly I’d take the 86 any day for the money. Looks better imo and most importantly has a manual transmission and handles beautifully. For the price of a Supra I could buy an 86 and do a turbo or supercharger bolt on kit as well as a bunch of other mods.
@10:13 Carlos Lago! Luv that guy! When Motortrend went subscription based he bailed and went to Edmunds which did not turn into a money grubbing RUclips channel. Dude is my hero... alongside everyone at TFL!!!
So many people seemed to be behind the creators during the adpocalypse, but the second they do something productive to counter the lost revenue, everyone bails on them.
Motortrend as a publication lost most of its talent years ago. Now they are left with the likes Jonny Lieberman Motortrend is likely to decline much further into oblivion. Carlos was smart to leave to find a better home. He’s a class act and a great talent.
I am not sure how I feel about the Supra, let's just say I am less excited about it than I thought I would be when I heard it may finally get re-released. This car looks great, but it's a purist's disaster.
Toyota did have a say in every single engine component though...nothing got approved without Toyota reliability being tested...it’s why bmw suddenly made a forged internals engine
Fee do you have a source or this is just an assumption? Serious question not hating at all, is just that I haven’t seen any statement on this info, thanks
this is true, at one point BMW was considering to end the joint project due to Toyota durability requirements on the engine but BMW decided to work with them in turn BMW would end up with a much stronger engine (i think there is going to be a 500-650hp version of this same engine in BMW SUVs by only adding an extra turbo and fuel pump, its also going to be used for racing cars).... currently this is BMW best engine and its all thanks to Toyota... lol...
@@dunhillsupramk3 Toyota detuned the B58 because it wa not "reliable" enough - thus the lower hp than the Z4. Toyota did not have much say in anything - that would be the tail waggn the dog - and it did not happen. BMW has the upper hand and controlled what Toyota could and could not do. BMW would never allow another manufacturer to use their design and parts to build a car that might undercut BMW sales, so Toyota got the short end of the stick. That is how all of the "collaborations" work. Only one boss in the room.
I feel the same way about it. It's bound to be to unpopular opinion since it's the new Supra, and we're supposed to love it. To me the front end, and maybe the back are just over styled. Too many lines in too many directions. When I look at it next to the 86, the 86 looks like ”less is more". The Supra tries to be ”more is more," and to me the lines just don't flow, at least from what I've seen.
@@franzwetrfres2116 I've seen it in person,and while it's not "hideous",it's nothing special either. I'm sure it will end up looking better with some aftermarket mods though.
@@cookielegends1192 I think he's talking about the Ecoboost trend. Most of Ford's top tier engine options are twin turbo V6s. Chevy and doge are also introducing turbocharged I4s and V6s as base engines as well. Still no replacement for displacement though, because the big old high volume V8 is going to last much longer than any turbocharged engine.
ImBarryScottCSS not really chevys best option on performance cars is always a v8 same with dodge if you still consider them American also look at the mustang what's the best option again? O yea a v8 I know most of fords other vehicles use the 3.5 twin turbo but that's kinda a Ford and non performance car thing chevy and dodge don't really do twin turbo I guess chevy did with Cadillac but that didn't work out so well so they put a v8 in it
With all the technology that goes into today's modern vehicles, no wonder development costs are through the roof. So many safety standards to meet, in many parts of the world. Mashups like what Toyota is doing with Subaru and BMW make sense to a point, especially is the vehicle is appealing to a specific audience of buyers. I like the new Supra, and it does have a ways to go, to meet the benchmark set by it's predecessors. I'd test drive one.
I think it’s best part will be its aftermarket and tune ability because I heard that Toyota wanted it to be as tuneable as the old Supra so it can just get better
That Supra is not a Toyota it's marketed as a Toyota but underneath is a BMW so technically you will go to the BMW dealer if you have a problem with this which is going to be in the shop a lot because BMW don't have good reliability
@@godofdestructiondiecast6756 understandably so, yet I believe that Toyota and BMW technicians are working together, to that it can be serviced at Toyota dealers with little complications. It's the safety and emissions aspects that overrun development costs on cars like these. Each country is different, to have automakers jump through hoops just to get a car sold in their country, and the government collects outrageous fees from the automakers, to put into their coffers. It's crazy.
$50,000 plus with BMW parts that cost 5 times as much to repair. If you want the Supra, get the extended warranty. Sell it before the warranty runs out. Look up repair cost on used BMW and you will understand.
@@jose7777777777777777 Mercedes Benz and BMW are very expensive to repair when out of warranty. There are a thousand videos on RUclips supporting this. ......
@@alansmilealot the original 1jz was a Yamaha motor, even has Yamaha stamped all over it. The 2JZ was Toyota making their own version of the 1JZ, so really it would not have been possible without Yamaha.
@@roguearttuning Do you hear Toyota Luxury Division Lexus LFA screams everything inside is Yamaha like Yamaha from making an instrument to engine and treats the engine like an instrument themselves
This is the first video of yours that I watched and I have to say, I am so satisfied with your intro. Simple but effective. Everyone else wants to slap a 2 minute intro on a video advertising their channel. Thanks for not doing that
They build it like a toy.... No normal car company price of 50k would build it like that... with all that plastic part that normally would be hidden...
@@johneldepresso Look at the other smaller manufacturers that used to make cool sports cars. Mazda almost went out of business and had to get bought out, Mitsubishi too. The only reason they're still making sporty cars is for brand image. These types of cars hemorrhage money. No one needs a sports car for practical reasons.
@@johneldepresso Toyota DOES care about its consumers. Thing is 95% of their consumers are buying a rav4 to haul kids around in or a corolla to drive for 500k miles.
The people moaning the loudest about the BMW partnership are most likely not going to buy a new car anyway. They buy used. And that is the problem in the first place. If you want affordable sports cars in the future, buy these cars new. Otherwise they will disappear. And on the other side of the spectrum, the multi-million dollar hyper cars are selling like hotcakes.
cant wait to see couple of years down the road how truly this BMW engine speaks itself about how reliable it is to the 2JZ. Will have to wait and see until the 2022 consumer reviews edition comes up
The Toyota FT-1 Concept looked 10 times better than this Supra. I wish Toyota took another 20 years to develop the Supra and used the FT-1 Concept body instead of letting BMW build the Supra. The Nissan GT-R looks so much better than this. I'm so disappointed Toyota.
Be grateful they even bother making a new supra, unlike mitsubishi that went full crossover mode. Toyata can go that way if they're totally controlled by accountant decision, fortunately they not.
If you would like to pay more than $100,000, the ft1 would be great. The reason they didn’t make it is because of how expensive it would be to make and therefore expensive to buy. At least they are making a fun sports car for the masses in the first place.
@Maheshan Govender The Nissan GT-R was built with the Nissan Skyline in mind which everyone desired. If you look at both the cars, you can see some similarities in both. The Skyline was pretty and so is the current GT-R. The Nissan also backs it up with the performance. I own 5 Toyotas in my family (4Runner, Tacoma, Sienna, Camry, Avalon). I love Toyota because of its reliability and name. I was looking forward to adding a sports car from Toyota. With this Supra, I am getting a German car. Not going to be grateful to Toyota for that.
@Maheshan Govender The new gen GT-R is pretty compared to the new gen. I think many people will agree with me on that one. Never said you wanted to know about my family car history. I told you about the Toyota's I own to let you know of the loyalty I have towards Toyota. The loyalty stems from the build quality and engineering of the Toyota vehicles. Right now I am basically buying an iPhone that was not made by Apple but by Samsung. If you like the new Supra, then good for you. You go buy your self one. Like I said before, I was expecting a Toyota product but I am getting a German car instead which is a Z4.
Toyota may not have sold very many Toyota 86/Scion FRS, but Subaru made a killing on the BRZ. It just made more sense to buy the BRZ. Especially for when it comes to repairs and warranty. It makes more sense to purchase a car from the manufacturer that is more likely to have the parts in stock and more familiar with the vehicle.
YODA TRDOR I need both, looks and decent speed. 4.1 sec is no slouch. It’s M3 territory. Decent speed, good handling, good looks is worth $50k. Will it sell like hot cakes probably not but it should sell enough to make money. Many kids that can afford it will love this car. I will get it if I was young again
Half empty from me. I just can't get over that interior. And, I'm also vastly aware of the longevity problems BMW has been suffering, and desperately trying to downplay, for YEARS! I don't trust BMW quality anymore. I do understand the necessity of combining efforts, and the Z cars by BMW are very nice cars, indeed. Overall, I'm just gonna sit and watch how those cars age. As a side note, i actually intend to get an Eight-Six for 2020. Hopefully I can find a 2019 example on blowout by then.
There is video on RUclips where they explain that new Supra is not really BMW. They apparently putted a lots of effort into building the car and it's by no means re-badged BMW. edit: Video is called "2020 Toyota Supra - BMW or Toyota? The untold true story"
I spilt the damn cup cause there was no manual. I wonder why they didn’t put the 2019 Bmw M2 competition engine in the Supra. Manual could have been an option with more power.
Gee, that wasn't a biased review. The BRZ will drift and smoke tires You can drive it like a lunatic and have a lot of fun. More fun to drive a slow car fast. It was shot lumping around at 15mph while the BMW was shot drifting, smoking tires and spinning out. Two different cars. I own a BRZ and it's really fun. I think I would be frustrated in the BMW. Tight, powerful and an automatic. Wouldn't be able to drive it on public roads like a maniac. It would be boring. I can thrash the BRZ and it feels like I'm breaking every law while I look down and see that I'm going the speed limit. That's fun.
It wasn't a review. Reviews will come out when the embargo lifts (he prob shouldn't of called it a review at the end). BRZ and ND Miata are the best enthusiast cars you can actually drive on the road and enjoy. I loved my ND Miata and the BRZ is great too, but its a bit to rough on aussie roads for me. ND all the way.
i actually was 50:50 on buying an 86 or waiting for the supra back when the price wasnt public. but it wasnt clear if the supra will ever come in manual (i wont drive automatic) and i actually like the looks of the 86 more when its got the standard mods everyone is doing. so i bought the 86. then the price was released and the 45k€ my dealer guessed turned into 65k€. so the supra wouldnt even be on the table for me.
Admiral Ackbar the average 0-60 times recorded on many sites like zerotosixty have recorded the manual version at an average of about 6.0. I have recorded mine going in 5.8. The auto is recorded at an average of 7.2 which is what was mentioned in the video
Nissan did it right 10 years ago with the GTR. Honda did fantastic with their revival of the Civic. To be honest Toyota and Honda should collab to make a new Sports car. It would be the most reliable sports car ever and would still come with a Manual transmission
It's only a legend because some fanboys say it is one. For normal people, Supra means a speedy Toyota coupe. Stop trying to deprive Toyota of its own brand that it had built and deserves.
Why can't the biggest automaker in the world design their own supra? I really dont understand why they went to unreliable lease queen BMW for the powertrain. Those are NOT engines designed to last. I feel sorry for anyone that buys this car who expects true supra pedigree.
I was skeptical at first but after learning more details about the production process a few months ago, I am very impressed with Toyota's work. Heck I went from never considering getting a Supra in the future to it being my potential next sports car among a few other classics. Happy to see that this car is looking good so far and can't wait to check it out and hopefully sit in it at my local dealerships.
A rebagded car is basically a car that has exactly the same parts,developed only by the original manufacturer and has no difference between them other than the badging. Basically the new supra is not a rebadged z4
I think it’s funny to say that being reminded of the close linkage with BMW is a negative. They both build great cars and I’m thankful that companies are collaborating and make more sports cars available.
Just remember, they could have used the Lexus LC500 platform and save more money instead of building in conjunction with BMW, which is if they did, would receive a better reception from everyone
@@MM-gg3rg nope I am not giving his car a chance because this not nothing in that car that is Toyota is mainly BMW so you might just call it a BMW product and that's it only difference is this is marketed as a Toyota but it's not a Toyota
@@davidckj1 that would be disastrous because Toyota is known for his good reliability they teaming up with somebody that don't have good reliability BMWs or in the shop way more often than Mercedes and Audi Lexus hold up pretty good so I don't see why it's would Toyota will mess up their reputation teaming up with somebody that they car is always in the shop
kenya catholic According to Consumer Reports, Business Insider, Forbes, US Vehicle Dependability Study, etc. All 2018-2019 Reports. Some research would do you good before commenting. Like it or not, Toyota/Lexus have superior reliability.
It has less power than the BMW simply because it's detuned, And it's detuned because toyota will get engines with higher tolerance, which run just fine, but BMW would reject.
Toyota isn't getting inferior blocks, not sure where you heard that. The lighter boost makes power delivery more liner, closer to that of NAs and it's repeatable predictable power. More heavily boosted cars suffer more variable power lap after lap or corner after corner. Supra is supposed to be a driver's car hence why the MkIII&IV went to twin turbo in the past or were only boosted to around 8psi on the single turbo models MkIII & older models. It's about predictable liner power only slightly above what that motor could do NA, essentially it's using the turbo to get rid of the acoustic torque dip of atmospheric NAs and a splash of HP more, because extra power comes with extra lag, that's just physics something that matters on roads that are twisty.
@@ChroniclesofKToyoda Toyota detuned the engine (thus the lower hp) because they knew it would not be reliable. Mess with the tuning and your warranty is void - bad news for a BMW. Lower boost just means lower power, period. The MKIV is a beast because it can run much higher boost and can be upgraded to much higher hp than stock with reasonable mods. The B58 can be modded - but nothing like the 2JZ-GTE. Mine has tasteful, moderate mods and makes 471 rwhp on low boost.
@@doctorlarry2273 I'm not claiming its better then the 2JZ, I'm just giving you the reason why it's lightly boosted. Like you say Toyota's 2J was strong, it could've readily shipped with an extra 100hp from factory without issue but with boost comes lag regardless of how modern a turbo, but lag aside, big turbo engines just don't give repeatable amounts of power with even amounts of accelerator input. These are the same sort of reasons that the LFA was an NA. As for your claim that Toyota is getting inferior blocks, that doesn't seem to be backed by anything the engineering teams have said & is seemingly a nonsensical statement.
Also I'll point out if your statement is ment to convey that the new Supra makes less power by virtue of an inferior block then by that logic the 2JZ Supras must be the weakest of the bunch.. See how asinine it is to make such statements rather than listen to the BMW & Toyota engineering teams.
I really want to like the new Supra but it seems like a Mustang would be a better buy. Even the ecoboost (especially with that new high performance edition) seems like a better option Plus you can get a manual with the Mustang
More people should bear in mind almost every car built, past & present, share many key components with many other cars due to the prohibitive expense of making everything bespoke. It is how these things are subsequently incorporated & tuned into the car which matters.
When you consider that a naturally aspirated Aavalon V6 produces 301 hp... and this BMW engine which is TWIN TURBOCHARGED produces 340hp... Its quite clear that Toyota could have EASILY made their own engine producing at least 360hp
It's really just the result of corporate bean counters. For cars like the 86 and Supra, they're low volume cars that won't generate much profit for Toyota. Toyota lives and dies with how well the Corolla and Camry does. From an engineering and design perspective, I'm sure the chief engineer would have liked bespoke projects from the ground up.
@RMH 666 It's not twin turbocharged. It's a single turbo with twin scrolls to spool up faster, hence the large torque available in the lower RPMs. Toyota wanted a inline-6 for balance. Why would they use a heavy V6, then modify it to take boost reliability since it's a NA engine on a different platform?
The point of the 86 and the BRZ that most people miss is the feeling of pushing the car to its limits on a normal twisty road without going to far over the speed limit. It's about fun not flat out speed
@@valves.mp4 I get that but not everyone wants to spend 50k on the car just to spend another 3 maybe 5 grand if you're lucky to void the warranty I personally say I am the warranty but ya get what I'm saying
The glass is half full. I don't care what manufacturers need to do in order to produce more sports cars and less SUVs.
@damianraver you realize he's on the same page as you ?
@@dionjeremy1711 Nothing worse then someone who acts like a tool while being wrong in their position... @damianraver clearly needs to take his own advice and stfu.
damianraver damn bruh... stfu and take a reading comprehension class.
We need to buy more sports cars if we want them to make more
@@RestrictedHades Same with race tracks, we need to go to them as spectators or participants more if we want them to stay open. We also need to fight the stupid twats that decide to build residential next to race tracks that where in the middle of now where for a reason, and are now under attack for noise, which restricts the type of cars that can run and therefor the number of series that can run there.
If Toyota called this anything else other than "Supra", it would have gotten more respect.
It should have been called the Celica in my opinion. What do you reckon Russell, because the Supra name is very respected and I don't think a BMW straight 6 will blow peoples minds nowadays.
But then they started the project with the intention of building a Supra. Hence why they won't settle for anything other than an inline-6 as one of the engine options. It would be silly for toyota to build a new generation supra and then suddenly rename it like idk a FT-1 just because it shares some components with BMW
Yeah I agree. My friends and I said the same thing. Celica GTS or something else. I'm sure it drives well and all that but this release was underwhelming considering that Nissan has the GTR as its sports car flagship. I think people were hoping for a real competitor for Godzilla...oh well.
True. The supra concept wasn't even ment for the supra. The thing that they could have done is renaming it and just saying that this is the successor for the supra or something
@@FalbereChan I mean I'm a supra fan boy and I'm satisfied with what the new supra is and think it's a great car
i think everyone can agree that the GR Supra literally just needs a stick and it would be much more appealing.
exactly
I agree with you. Just give us a manual damn it.
No need a Toyota motor, the manual is already there it's in the m2 comp.
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my amuse 370z vent not just style it functional i don't know why Toyota make vent that you can not make it function....or modified to be funtion...
Soon to be
Everyone keeps saying that "It's the new bmw z4" but how do you explain it having working blinkers! Case closed it is a toyota.
it's heart (power plant) is bmw though...
quar whoosh
It has a bmw engine transmission chasis and badges
Hah hah! I see what you did there. It is however rumored that BMW's will come equipped with turn signals by 2027.
This is a good point. What rarely gets mentioned is that Toyota went over the whole car, checking it and checking it again, every part. They do this much better than the Germans.
Tbh the bmw engine is fine. I just want manual.
I can agree on that. At least they coukd get an option for a manual. And I don't care if the automatic shifts faster and can handle the power of the engine, just make a 7 speed or so. Would be also a thing that could be remembered
@@carbomaniac4020 yea nobody really cares about effectiveness. its about fun.
thekiller500099 There’s a manual petition at www.change.org/p/toyota-motor-company-add-a-manual-transmission-for-the-new-toyota-supra
BMW motors aren’t reliable and extremely expensive to maintain! Who in their right mind wants a Toyota ,that has parts in it from a problematic car manufacturer! The BMW N63 motor is a example of bad German engineering!
@@bwbmoreb They have questionable reliability and are expensive to FIX, but they are not particularly expensive to do regular maintenance on. Most of the regular engine maintenance can be done DIY with little trouble. It's not as if they are a Ferrari and it costs $7000 to do an oil change because they have to take half the car apart to do it.
Toyota 86. the car for Thanos. perfectly balanced as all things should be
Perfectly balanced except for the shitty powerplant
@Jason Bouphasavanh Some comic super bad guy who is like Hitler
hell nah the 86 is slow af, same with the BRZ with that heavy ass boxer, the real balanced car is a 2003 saturn ion aka the best car ever wit that sweet 2.2l 140hp GM engine, you CANNOT beat that.
If you could snap your fingers and get half of a Supra, this is what you'd get.
The gt86 Should've came with an updated 3sge beams or a successor of the 3sge, not the lame ass boxer
Interesting to hear that the BMW / Toyota isn’t built by either of them! It’s built by a 3rd party - Magna in Austria.
they build so many car models for so many different manufacturers.
Magna also build all the crd
Jeep commanders and grand cherokees and 300c,chrysler Sebring and voyager
They have made a lot of cars in the past
Aussie2u but toyota tunes everything no less than 1000parts in that n55 to Toyota reliability.
CKPHH that was R&D. we’re talking production/manufacturing now.
However.. supra do share many part from last gen BMW... Magna just put it together not supply the part.. BMW is the one arrangement all the part.. other that toyota original part...
nothing says sports car like an automatic transmission and a big 'ol button for the e-brake....
John G oh how i miss the good old days
I know right?! However, this our own fault. The majority of "sports cars" are being purchased with automatic transmissions! So much so, that most are car companies no longer offer a manual gearbox!
To be fair, if speed is you’re primary concern then you want the fastest transmission possible, which is an automatic. Manuals are more fun to play around with on the road, but in a race the automatics (especially good dual clutches) will smoke manuals due to way faster shifts.
@@caglioso totally agree
@@caglioso while this is true...a very large majority of auto enthusiasts dont' track their cars in a competition regularly... so its more about the enthusiast factor driving around the streets and back country roads (where manual is WAY more fun). If you can shave .2's of a second off in the 1/4 or the 0-60, who cares. Then the weather, altitude, driver skills, tire compounds, etc all come in to play and having a car that's very marginally quicker at shifting is basically irrelevant. I can honestly say when I hear about these new sports cars coming out without the option for manual, I feel dooped by the manufacturers who are stiff-arming the enthusiasts and catering to those who care about statistics on paper.
After watching this I am even more happy with my 86. Prefer the "Subaru" over "BMW". It does not have the power. But the most fun and affordable car a person can have.
@Cole Fawcett that makes no sense.Why would you buy something for the same price as something that's more fun and more luxury
Cole Fawcett
What u drive?
So now you have to do a comparo between the new Supra and the BMW Z4 to see if the bimmer is worth the price increase and maybe the performance over the Supra.
Randall Collins
The z4 is faster or .4 tenths faster than the Supra due to more hp , there’s a chance that you could get a discount on the Bmw vs $0 discount from Supra
People will be chip tuning this car the second it comes out. 400hp Stage 1 tune baseline.
What a dumbass comment
Yes they should of made a 3jz or the old 2jz at least
I think the BMW's will stay cheaper for a while.
I love that very Japanese philosophy. "To get another 50hp would be easy; but then it never ends..." Nicely said.
335 why not 400, 400 why not 450, why not 500 and by that point it will be over $250k NSX that no one buys
@@Mike604 NSX is not 250k wtf
@@khailils446 it can be, depending on your country's taxation laws
its not endless put it on par with the line up of bmw since they use the same platform why degrade it? supra > z4
Without Supra, I couldn't be a master driver.
exactly
@9600GTMAN I trained my master driver ability by driving Supra a long time ago. =)
LMFAOO meme for car enthusiasts😂
0-60 in 4.1 secs is just ok? that's about on par with new mustang/Camaro V8s, which for the price range is as good as it is going to get.
A new Mustang GT is like 10k-20k less.
I actually like the new Supra, but the Audi rs3 is faster.
but would you rather own a badass modern muscle car, or a reject bmw supra?
@@Yeorange10 Not in Europe.
@@skuxxskits supra
I work at bmw as a technician, I can tell you the car sounds good but it sounds exactly like a z4. All the tech is bmw down to every button. Even the brake calipers look the same, I dont know a lot about toyotas but this car looks like it has wheel bolts not lug nuts. The engine cover it self is just a rebadge, just like the car. I like the z4 but the fact that I expected so much more from the new supra I'm disappointed.
I'm *not* a BMW technician, nor am I extremely knowledgeable about Toyotas, but I do have eyes that tell me you are correct about the Supra basically just being a rebadge job. I'm also a bit disappointed, but since I wouldn't be a buyer (due to my physical limitations) anyway they're not marketing to me. I wish both companies the best, and I'm glad they at least didn't do what Mitsubishi & Chevrolet did with the Eclipse & Blazer names.
@@harbingertheheretic3541 The Eclipse is worse than the Blazer. The Blazer is just wan evolution of what people want today vs back then across the entire Blazer timeline. The Eclipse is well a totally different type of vehicle in which the name wasnt a good choice.
me too
i think there are a lot of toyota engineers that arent getting enough credit here, the cars have plenty of differences and many components that were originally the same were modified to fit toyota standards. similar yeah, but not a rebadge
But it isn't... its development story speaks for itself.
"...We've driven prototypes of both, and each have their own personality. Unlike the Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ "Toyobaru" platform-sharing coupes--which are nearly indistinguishable from each other in styling or feel--the Toyota Supra and BMW Z4 have their own distinct personality, body, interior design and package, and driving dynamics. So don't be tempted to say they are the same car: One with a roof and one without. The Supra is every bit the slick Toyota you expect it would be and should be." -Chris Walton, author from MotorTrend
Pretty sure people who are looking to buy the Supra are not cross-shopping it with the 86
Yea he makes this mistake several times. Comparing Z to Supra too. Talks about Japanese sports car arms race in the 90s... no mention of Skyline or NSX. Nobody ever compared 300ZX to a Supra Mark IV. The Z was an $18,000 car, the Supra upwards of $45,000.
It's hard to take an "expert" seriously when they're just talking nonsense to fill 10minutes of time.
@@APsupportsTerrorism Skyline GTR and NSX are a tier above Supra back in the 90s. Supra, RX-7, 300ZX and 3000VR4 are more in line.... again talking about JDM. 300ZX would have been more popular had it been easier to tune (its hard to tune due to engine structure) 3000VR4 was too heavy and high-tech at the time.... therefore you have RX-7 and Supra... Supra with its bullet-proof engine became super popular.... but stock for stock, it was behind NSX and Skyline GT-R... slightly but still a tier below. I'm a Toyota guy, more so the MR2-GT and Celica GT-Four, basically the "Robin" type Sports cars from Supra.... but respected the Supra. But I'm also a Nissan guy, Skyline GT-R R32 was my first sports car and I dearly miss it.... the 300ZX was also in my garage at one point and it was a heck of a sports car.
The guy in the video made a great point, Supra became ultra-popular in America because of the movie. If the 300ZX or 3000VR4 was in the movie it would be very popular also today, but obviously as mentioned due to their flaws the tuning crowd will always put the Supra first.
The 86 is a successor to the AE86 Corolla, not the Celica.
Lol when they showed the old Celica Supra i was like wtf is wrong with these people.
The successor of the Celica was the Scion tc.
@@julienouellette1920 I agree
@@julienouellette1920 The Scion tC sucked! Too much displacement for too little power. I'd smoke em in my '04 Celica every chance I'd get.
NO! THE 86 WASN'T MEANT TO REPLACE THE 86! YOU DUM OR SMTH?
pls don't kill me it's a joke.
So my 2019 Corolla Hatchback can be a manual but the new supra can't? Makes sense.
Kyle Graf There’s a manual petition at www.change.org/p/toyota-motor-company-add-a-manual-transmission-for-the-new-toyota-supra
LOL 😂
It doesn't make sense, the super sport cars are no longer make manual . because they said automatic is faster. yes, it is, but they forgot one thing, the sport cars are not for race. it's for street use only, do you think how fast you can drive on local? like back to back intersection? we need driving pleasure, and passion, fun to drive, automatic has never bring this to ppl, the manual, the one has clutch in the vehicle, it's not the freaking shifters behind the wheel. Do you understand, supra? nsx? GTR? and any Europe's super sports car.
@@gto3585 r/woooooosh
@@gto3585 im pretty sure when Kyle said "make sense" he was being sarcastic lol
Just wait until 2021. These are going to depreciate like BMWs. $35,000 Supras will be everywhere.
And it will cost you just as much in repairs
Pshhh I’m still not taking out a loan just to afford one of these lemme know when they drop to about 10-15k and I’ll THINK about snagging one
More 25k
Maybe they planned this fron the beginning.......
Dennis Vu these cars aren’t for broke bois
I’m not a super diehard fan, that being said I really like this car. Minus the fact the interior is straight out of a BMW I wouldn’t mind it. They shouldn’t have used the supra name plate though, this is more or so a spiritual successor.
1) Toyota actually designed the interior. The parts bin come from both automakers.
2) Like the Z, it stays true to its legacy while being reimagined from a grand tourer to a pure sports car.
@@thecriticalthinkeroutsidet4947 The parts are BMW. Minor changes amount to nothing. This car is a detuned Z4 with a body kit.
@@doctorlarry2273 The parts are from both BMW and Toyota, while Toyota designed the whole interior and layout. As is development and customizations with the powertrain, chassis, etc. The changes are so major, that it's different from the Z4, and the amount of time it took in development proves that the new Supra still has a Toyota soul. (even such as when they successfully stress tested the engine for reliability)
"...We've driven prototypes of both, and each have their own personality. Unlike the Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ "Toyobaru" platform-sharing coupes--which are nearly indistinguishable from each other in styling or feel--the Toyota Supra and BMW Z4 have their own distinct personality, body, interior design and package, and driving dynamics. So don't be tempted to say they are the same car: One with a roof and one without. The Supra is every bit the slick Toyota you expect it would be and should be." -Chris Walton, author from MotorTrend
They probably tried to cut as much cost for the interior as possible because most will rip it off or something
I not either but as JDM owner.. I would said what the hell is this???
I wonder what an alternate reality would look like where Toyota developed most of this car and BMW payed for the rights to sell it as a reliable Z4.
Bmw has super tight regulations on noise, harshness, and other characteristics that i don't think any toyota will pass. Bmw would never go for it. Toyota should have developed their own car though.
that is almost what we have here.
It would be funny in 2003
@@Tigerex966 yeah, that's why Tada-san after some things their teams weren't separate to create different cars with different characteristics.
@@Tigerex966 and made sure that engine wouldn't get messed up, they ran that engine over and over the make sure bolt and not as much wear that BMW have lol.
Am I a rarity who appreciates both car companies? 🤔 watch the potential of this engine.
hear hear my boy
The new Supra - the most anticipated car with the least amount of excitement post-release. Meh...
Everyone: REALLY? THEY'RE MAKING A NEW SUPRA? :D
Toyota: With the BMW engine.
Everyone: F*** OFF!! D:
Lack of manual transmission killed it.
Everybody is actually excited for the new Corolla ironically enough.
The Mk4 Supra also didn't have that much fanfare when it was released... It's only after F&F and the production stopped that it became really coveted..
Highly Relevant Commenter so true. Toyota messed this one up.
I have three problems with the car:
1. Don't like how it looks, particularly in front
2. No manual, no deal. BMW sells manuals with inline six, so where is it?
3. BMW interior. Why put a Supra badge on it if it reminds you nothing of the MKIV legend?
Its not a legend aftermarket helped it first off and their waiting for demand so that they can later on make manuels
It's a Toyota designed interior with a combination of parts from both automakers.
That said, the MKIV was a legend thanks to Fast and Furious.
Simple, BMW wants the Supra to be subpar to the Z4. When we get to hear Roman’s true opinion of the Supra, I will not be surprised that he would say that that dynamics of it is subpar to the Z4 and that the GT86’s dynamics is superior to both the Supra and the Z4 (in terms of handling).
@@unknownunknowns BMW and Toyota already split ways when the chasis and engine is designed. Everything from chasis tuning, engine tuning, rigidity, reliability, suspension, and balance is designed by themselves. Its no BRZ/86 deal
1. Looks are subjective but I do like the way it looks.
2. No manual because I'm guessing it's a cost development thing. Automatic sells more so it'll save Toyota by selling just one transmission and if the supra sells well they'll probably release a manual transmission.
3. It's really just a quick cash grab on Toyota's part. They're thinking most fans will buy the car because of the Supra name and get to charge a bit more too. A $50k FT1 probably wont sell as many units as a $50k Supra.
The glass is half FULL:
You got a nice bmw interior and german engineering, plus the japanese meticulous attention to detail to make this car reliable, like all toyotas are renowned for. All for a good reasonable price. What more could you ask for? A manual trans? Probably someday, just wait.
Stick that 6 cylinder engine in the 86. With a manual and minus the turbo, 300hp. Perfect.
Mike Mf Davis the last na straight six from bmw (the n53) had 272hp
@@mikemfdavis7574 back in the late 90s they did?
It's not a Supra it's BMW please don't call this thing a Supra it's a disgrace
@@luisrubio108 agreed!!! I'm going to do a Vlog on this fake piece of crap soon so Subscribe!!
perfect? how is that perfect when you slam a huge inline 6 in the front of a car that already has a perfect 50/50 weight distribution? lol
It's a great engine and a great car, but man Toyota really shouldn't have called it a Supra.
Seriously if Toyota called it the Toyota Z4 I'm sure no one will complain.
Toyota z4 sounds like it would fit that car other than it uses a Z4 chassis, so it basically is a Toyota Z4
And it wouldn’t sell. I guarantee you this car will sell better than the MIV....and that’s all they care about.
The Z4 looks way better and it’s the same engine, Toyota ducked all the way up.
BMW heart, BMW soul, Toyota Badge.... uh.... O_o Just buy a Lexus. The LC500 has more Supra DNA in it than this thing ever will.
LEXUS RCF. Cheaper, rwd and 470hp. Looks better too
Especially the rear, and it also has LFA design cues
LC500 is a GT, A90 is a much smaller sports car. I guess if you bring it to a track it’ll behave quite differently
Lc500 is much more expensive
depends on your goal. The LC500 is a GT, and Toyota made it damn near impossible to tune and it has no aftermarket support. The supra is the exact opposite. But if you want to just cruise around, maybe track it for fun with Lexus reliability, then yes! LC500 everyday, buuut it is also more expensive.
I'm not normally a fan of red cars, but the red and black color combo on that Supra is freaking drop dead gorgeous!
IKR!!!
Hrm, yeah, I was disappointed at how it looks in white, but it seems it could be OK in medium-darker colors.
@@OllamhDrab I agree that navy blue one caught my eye the most
@@miccheck11 I think I liked the grey one, myself, but yeah, that's pretty nice, too. Dark seems to mellow out some of the styling excesses there. Have to admit, for the money, I'd probably be starting to think F-type Jag with the six and the stick, if it came down to looks... And a stick.
@@OllamhDrab Now that most of the reviews are out I just noticed the grey one and wow. It's like the AMG satin grey and they did a great job with all of the color specs honestly. The Jag seems more like a gt car by comparison.
If have the money, id rather buy a 2nd hand Nissan GT-R.
Exactly
Yep
Fanboy
I have one and would never trade it for this supra. Although the looks are growing on me, price/performance wise its a real let down. Shame because I was always a toyota guy but the GTR was and is still best bang for buck.
Useless comment, thats 4WD and no manual?? I would just buy OG Supra
The ridiculous thing is the new BMW Z4 has 382HP with the same exact engine as the Supra but the Supra only has 335HP they literally gave them a detuned engine to people who were wishing for a 3JZ engine. Could have at least shown enough respect to give them the same HP
It shows that bmw truly designed it..Toyota is full of shit when they claim they had part of designing the engine for the Supra.if that was true then the Supra would have the higher hp.this gen Supra will just be another rx8
@@slr7628 it literally has Toyota made parts in it. Look at published engine blueprints it's not detuned it has Toyota parts in it as well. Toyota chose to make it have that much hp
That's because the Z4 is a bit heavier than the supra, also the z4 have the bmw m3 and m4 as brothers but also as rivals as possible sales, so he needs to create a bit more of attraction to it, Toyota doesn't have a car like the supra capable of create a shadow over it like the z4.
Also those engines aren't even at peak from the factory, a simple chip tune and ecu balance give them between 50 and 80 HP, a common mod for bmws and now, probably for the supra.
Btw you couldn't gain 80 HP with a PC on the a80 lol, you needed money and real parts and of course at that point you didn't want ''only'' 80 hp more...
@@slr7628 at least the rx8 has a rotary; this is worse
@@slr7628 I hope so because I got my rx8 for cheap and its the funnest car I've ever owned , so hopefully I'll be able to get a Supra in the future 😂
I feel like every complaint about the new BMW Supra could be somewhat forgiven had they did one simple thing,and that's given us a manual transmission.
Sure,there would still be things to complain about,but at least it would maximize how fun it would be to actually drive it.
What bothers me is the unrealistic ideas some people wish the new supra was more like
For example, some people talk about how the new supra should've been twin turbo with pushing almost 700hp but little do they know that would mean the car would be more expensive
I understand people are upset that the new supra has a BMW engine and they think it's very underpowered but in all honest the Mk. 4 supra wasn't that powerful from the factory, yeah it was quick and fast but it was only about 330hp with a turbocharged 2jz from the factory
In my opinion I think the Supras are kind of overhyped, I would honestly wish Toyota would bring back a powerful sedan like the Cressida back in the day, maybe make a Cressida package for the Avalon with a turbocharged or supercharged engine with a AWD option
@Chicha 17 You also do have to realise the cost of performance is much higher today. The McLaren F1 in '94 sold for roughly $800,000. A '19 Chiron starts at $3 million. Sure, the Chiron has way more bells and whistles, but Cars these days just cost way more to build. Toyota is pricing the new Supra at $50,000, compared to the 40~50k that the old TURBO supra was sold for. If you account for inflation, it is actually more affordable. For reference the 911 started at $60,000 in the 90s now it starts at $100,000. You could have bought a brand new M3 for $35K, cheaper than a supra. The supra was an expensive Car back in the day and hence the sale numbers struggled. Nobody is going to buy a toyota thats over $80,000.
Also, yeah better performance =/= more powerful engine. Not true its about the power to weight ratio. Lighter the car, less powerful the engine it needs to be. You cant expect F1 engines to perform well inside a truck.
@Chicha 17 You are missing my point. How is the P1 comparable to the F1? The F1 was the fastest car when it was produced. It was also one of the most expensive sports car of the time. So today it would be the likes of the Bugatti or Koenigsegg, which you wont be able to buy with 1.4M. And I didn't account for inflation because I was comparing the price of the 911 and the m3 of the 90s with the price of the supra sold back then. Also to add there are many cars these days that are +1.5m which you would not have seen in the past, accounting for inflation.
You may not care if it was a more expensive car, but trust me people do care about the prices of Toyota. People who don't know too much about cars, so most people who buy luxury cars who work instead of looking up car stats would most likely choose European badged cars rather than a Toyota if it was priced the same. Maybe lexus might be different. Would most people buy a $100,000 Toyota or a Porsche?
How is weight not a factor of performance? All of the supercars theses days use Carbon, it isn't cheap. Imagine how slow a Koeningsegg would be if it was just steel and aluminium. It wouldn't be as fast as it would be. You have no idea how much weight does to the performance of the cars.
You do realise that power isn't all there is to performance right? There is a reason why American cars cant make it as fast around the track as other cars. If you want straight-lining speed, get a corvette, that is not what Im looking for in a Japanese car.
You are having these comparisons because people are overhyping the supra because all they see is a 1000hp++ fully rebuilt supra that cost like $70,000 to do. Which the average person buying a supra would not have the money or time to do. Please show me a video of a STOCK supra beating a lambo. Also the turbo on the Supra kicks in around 4k rpm, which goes against the norms of car performance which prefers less dramatic power increase. People were hating on the 86 when it came out, trust me people will get used to the new supra and would start to appreciate for what it is. Also, people hating on the new supra hasn't obviously driven one, and are complaining that it doesn't look like the FT-1 concept at all or it doesn't come with a 3JZ engine.
@Chicha 17 You say different price structures, but aren't all supercars targeted at the same luxury market? Just because the mclaren name lost value in 20 years doesn't mean that the Car market as a whole is coming out with few million dollar cars isn't what they are.
If you start to talk about just power, heck might aswell start mounting jet engines.
Please, when the Supra hit the US market nobody cared, thats why they stopped selling them. The Fast and Furious made the Supra name.
Also be realistic, with the Lexus brand name, Toyota will never make a sports car that will cost more than a lexus coupe, it just goes against their corporate structure.
Since the mk4 Supra was desgined as a GT car, i think the true succesor of the mk4 Supra is the Lexus LC500
@Joshua Jacob rebadging a BMW with supra badges is more insulting then a v8 supra
@Joshua Jacob no most people expect a Toyota to be a Toyota and there is plenty to not love like the fact that it is a 2 seater, doesn't look good and was built from BMW'S spare parts bin
@Joshua Jacob it has a BMW engine which is more expensive to maintain than a Toyota engine, plus, if it's powered by a BMW engine then most of the credit goes BMW and not Toyota
That's like how people LS swap almost every car imaginable, and for the sake of this example let's use a Nissan Skyline GTR for an example, if I drive around in a LS powered GTR then it won't have that magical feeling of me driving a Nissan since I'm basically driving a Camaro with Nissan body and not an actual legendary GTR, that's the same problem people have about the new Supra, it's not providing that magical feeling of driving a true JDM car since it's a German car in disguise
Sure it can still be fun to drive around in but it's not as fun as driving a true performance Toyota like it was back in the day
I have a 2019 Toyota 86 TRD special Edition and I absolutely love it! Yeah it isn't the fastest off the line but I don't care about that that's why I have a bike. I want something that's just pure fun to drive and the 86 has been the best car I have ever had. The only thing I wish it had that doesn't is t-tops. I think that would be sick on this car.
“Japan has more people per capita.” 🤦🏻♂️
murica
Lmao 😂🤣
Would be interesting to see a comparison between the Z4 and this ''Supra'' to see which bimmer is best.
If BMW made a coupe version of the Z4 maybe you could but maybe not at the same time since they have the same platform, motor/transmission and electronics but that's about it the rest was Toyota, TRD and Gazoo Racing. BMW or Toyota aren't even gonna be building the Supra it will be built in Austria along with the Chrysler 300, Mercedes G Wagon and a few other vehicles sometimes car manufacturers outsource to manufacturing companies that aren't owned by them so they can build their cars to save money
@@lostbetrayed So basically what you're saying is that the new Toyota Supra is nothing but a piece of shit BMW made in another European country that doesn't come with a standard transmission and is basically an over priced hunk of BMW garbage with a Toyota badge? Totally pickin up what you're putting down.
it is what it is. Automakers been doing this since the 80s. but if you love cars it does not matter. if a car is sexy it's sexy 😎
Let me show you how it drives... Proceeds to spin out. Lol.
Wouldnt it have been better to compare it to a BMW Z4 then? lol
It's a paid promotion basically. Everyone knows the new "Supra" is an ugly flop so they're basically paying people to say how good it is
@@dopeyduck8352 Can't be a flop if it's already selling out before even being available...
The loudest voices on the internet are out numbered by the silent majority that purchase these without fuss. Heck, most folks complaining about the Supra are far from the demographic who even have thick enough wallets to sit on the fence with.
@@ChroniclesofKToyoda Selling out an allotment of 900 cars for Europe is not a big deal. 900 cars. What a joke.
@@doctorlarry2273 They're already well in back order, but I keep hearing about how people who never bought a Supra before off the lot won't by this one, what a laugh.
Everyone talks about how amazingly grate the old Supra is yet won't buy one themself, that's the joke, acting as if Toyota is losing out on sales, when the people actually in the market for a Z class car will go ahead & buy one assuming they have the finances.
In other word it a toyota support car video.. they let them borrow the car and they did the video... Independent review car will rip both car to piece since they both outdated for today market.
Honestly I’d take the 86 any day for the money. Looks better imo and most importantly has a manual transmission and handles beautifully. For the price of a Supra I could buy an 86 and do a turbo or supercharger bolt on kit as well as a bunch of other mods.
Stefan Trifunovic stfu
Also you can unironically blast eurobeat in the 86
@@derrickayala4525 I'm sorry, did I hurt your sensitive feelings there?
I ageee 100%
200hp is just way too under powered for any car considered to be a sports car... This isn't the 80s anymore...
@10:13 Carlos Lago! Luv that guy! When Motortrend went subscription based he bailed and went to Edmunds which did not turn into a money grubbing RUclips channel. Dude is my hero... alongside everyone at TFL!!!
I'm trying to find his video of this to get the view the other way around, can't find it. Maybe its not published yet.
So many people seemed to be behind the creators during the adpocalypse, but the second they do something productive to counter the lost revenue, everyone bails on them.
JayTac1 - I didn’t think Motortrend was affected much by Adpocalypse. Their content seems pretty family and advertiser friendly.
Motortrend as a publication lost most of its talent years ago. Now they are left with the likes Jonny Lieberman Motortrend is likely to decline much further into oblivion. Carlos was smart to leave to find a better home. He’s a class act and a great talent.
Carlos has always been cool with me.
I am not sure how I feel about the Supra, let's just say I am less excited about it than I thought I would be when I heard it may finally get re-released. This car looks great, but it's a purist's disaster.
I’m 19 and own a FR-S and my older brother is getting the Supra!! What a time to be alive
Toyota did have a say in every single engine component though...nothing got approved without Toyota reliability being tested...it’s why bmw suddenly made a forged internals engine
Fee do you have a source or this is just an assumption? Serious question not hating at all, is just that I haven’t seen any statement on this info, thanks
this is true, at one point BMW was considering to end the joint project due to Toyota durability requirements on the engine but BMW decided to work with them in turn BMW would end up with a much stronger engine (i think there is going to be a 500-650hp version of this same engine in BMW SUVs by only adding an extra turbo and fuel pump, its also going to be used for racing cars).... currently this is BMW best engine and its all thanks to Toyota... lol...
@@dunhillsupramk3 Toyota detuned the B58 because it wa not "reliable" enough - thus the lower hp than the Z4. Toyota did not have much say in anything - that would be the tail waggn the dog - and it did not happen. BMW has the upper hand and controlled what Toyota could and could not do. BMW would never allow another manufacturer to use their design and parts to build a car that might undercut BMW sales, so Toyota got the short end of the stick. That is how all of the "collaborations" work. Only one boss in the room.
plain Jane gorgeous? I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. I think that Supra is hideous
Gotta see it in person, looks way better
it looks like a prius with the trunk,roof and headlights, yuck!
I feel the same way about it. It's bound to be to unpopular opinion since it's the new Supra, and we're supposed to love it. To me the front end, and maybe the back are just over styled. Too many lines in too many directions. When I look at it next to the 86, the 86 looks like ”less is more". The Supra tries to be ”more is more," and to me the lines just don't flow, at least from what I've seen.
It certainly looks better in the red and blue.
At best it looks 'interesting'..
@@franzwetrfres2116 I've seen it in person,and while it's not "hideous",it's nothing special either. I'm sure it will end up looking better with some aftermarket mods though.
America: No replacement for displacement!
America: Twin turbo everything!
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Right? Lol
tf are you talking about bro we don’t twin turbo everything... we supercharge it
@@cookielegends1192 most cars are turbo.
@@cookielegends1192 I think he's talking about the Ecoboost trend. Most of Ford's top tier engine options are twin turbo V6s. Chevy and doge are also introducing turbocharged I4s and V6s as base engines as well. Still no replacement for displacement though, because the big old high volume V8 is going to last much longer than any turbocharged engine.
ImBarryScottCSS not really chevys best option on performance cars is always a v8 same with dodge if you still consider them American also look at the mustang what's the best option again? O yea a v8 I know most of fords other vehicles use the 3.5 twin turbo but that's kinda a Ford and non performance car thing chevy and dodge don't really do twin turbo I guess chevy did with Cadillac but that didn't work out so well so they put a v8 in it
With all the technology that goes into today's modern vehicles, no wonder development costs are through the roof. So many safety standards to meet, in many parts of the world. Mashups like what Toyota is doing with Subaru and BMW make sense to a point, especially is the vehicle is appealing to a specific audience of buyers. I like the new Supra, and it does have a ways to go, to meet the benchmark set by it's predecessors. I'd test drive one.
I think it’s best part will be its aftermarket and tune ability because I heard that Toyota wanted it to be as tuneable as the old Supra so it can just get better
@@gsjourney3054 Lets hope there's an aftermarket front bumper that looks much better.
That Supra is not a Toyota it's marketed as a Toyota but underneath is a BMW so technically you will go to the BMW dealer if you have a problem with this which is going to be in the shop a lot because BMW don't have good reliability
@@godofdestructiondiecast6756 understandably so, yet I believe that Toyota and BMW technicians are working together, to that it can be serviced at Toyota dealers with little complications. It's the safety and emissions aspects that overrun development costs on cars like these. Each country is different, to have automakers jump through hoops just to get a car sold in their country, and the government collects outrageous fees from the automakers, to put into their coffers. It's crazy.
@@19chucki74 only thing I got to say is they better be prepared because those things are going to be in the shop a lot
Why you lyin Roman, we all know you weren't a kid 20 years ago 🤣🤣🤣 maybe 35-40 years ago, but not 20
Lmao facts!!
$50,000 plus with BMW parts that cost 5 times as much to repair. If you want the Supra, get the extended warranty. Sell it before the warranty runs out. Look up repair cost on used BMW and you will understand.
Sell the engine & 2jz swap
MrHarleytx Sell the brand new turbo i6 and put in an old outdated turbo i6? What kind of logic is that?
@@Xixu.co.6 maybe because the B58 cant handle as much power as the 2JZ? (The B58 is from 2015, so its not brand new ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
Non M BMWs are not expensive to maintain at all as long as you don’t put stuff off
@@jose7777777777777777 Mercedes Benz and BMW are very expensive to repair when out of warranty. There are a thousand videos on RUclips supporting this. ......
Why does everyone always forget the major role Yamaha played in the development of the original supra and the JZ motors
I think they also developed the block on the 4age
Didn't Yamaha just design the head and the block was Toyota??
@@alansmilealot the original 1jz was a Yamaha motor, even has Yamaha stamped all over it. The 2JZ was Toyota making their own version of the 1JZ, so really it would not have been possible without Yamaha.
Im so glad Im not the only one who is saying this
@@roguearttuning Do you hear Toyota Luxury Division Lexus LFA screams everything inside is Yamaha like Yamaha from making an instrument to engine and treats the engine like an instrument themselves
This just makes me want to see an 2021 RX7
Well it won't BUT i heard that Mazda will make inline 6 so Toyota 3jz is canceled
This is the first video of yours that I watched and I have to say, I am so satisfied with your intro. Simple but effective. Everyone else wants to slap a 2 minute intro on a video advertising their channel. Thanks for not doing that
Because neither will sell like Pancakes like a Prius or a Corolla :D Toyota is about making money, the BRZ/86 and Supra are just toys.
They build it like a toy.... No normal car company price of 50k would build it like that... with all that plastic part that normally would be hidden...
Manny Echaluce back in the old days Toyota actually cared about tye consumers and their opinions
@@johneldepresso Look at the other smaller manufacturers that used to make cool sports cars. Mazda almost went out of business and had to get bought out, Mitsubishi too. The only reason they're still making sporty cars is for brand image. These types of cars hemorrhage money. No one needs a sports car for practical reasons.
@@johneldepresso They still do
@@johneldepresso Toyota DOES care about its consumers. Thing is 95% of their consumers are buying a rav4 to haul kids around in or a corolla to drive for 500k miles.
"More people per capita"👌
USA : 1 human per capita
Japan : 6 to 7 people per capita ... it dependes on the region
😂😂😂
I was thinking, "um, don't you mean higher population density?" 😅
In Japan no ones gonna buy it not many because Nissan is everywhere even tuners use GTR all the time
The people moaning the loudest about the BMW partnership are most likely not going to buy a new car anyway. They buy used. And that is the problem in the first place.
If you want affordable sports cars in the future, buy these cars new.
Otherwise they will disappear.
And on the other side of the spectrum, the multi-million dollar hyper cars are selling like hotcakes.
Not, "built in the same town in Austria," but, built in the same factory, as the G-Wagon and the BMW Z-4.
WE WANT A MANUAL SUPRA TOYOTA!!!
cant wait to see couple of years down the road how truly this BMW engine speaks itself about how reliable it is to the 2JZ. Will have to wait and see until the 2022 consumer reviews edition comes up
The new Supra looks like Zoidberg from Futurama 😂😂😂
mikaeel mohammed lmao
The Toyota FT-1 Concept looked 10 times better than this Supra. I wish Toyota took another 20 years to develop the Supra and used the FT-1 Concept body instead of letting BMW build the Supra. The Nissan GT-R looks so much better than this. I'm so disappointed Toyota.
We got Acura and Nissan making super cars, you'd figure that Toyota could at least do there own sports car. Its really disappointing.
Be grateful they even bother making a new supra, unlike mitsubishi that went full crossover mode. Toyata can go that way if they're totally controlled by accountant decision, fortunately they not.
If you would like to pay more than $100,000, the ft1 would be great. The reason they didn’t make it is because of how expensive it would be to make and therefore expensive to buy. At least they are making a fun sports car for the masses in the first place.
@Maheshan Govender The Nissan GT-R was built with the Nissan Skyline in mind which everyone desired. If you look at both the cars, you can see some similarities in both. The Skyline was pretty and so is the current GT-R. The Nissan also backs it up with the performance. I own 5 Toyotas in my family (4Runner, Tacoma, Sienna, Camry, Avalon). I love Toyota because of its reliability and name. I was looking forward to adding a sports car from Toyota. With this Supra, I am getting a German car. Not going to be grateful to Toyota for that.
@Maheshan Govender The new gen GT-R is pretty compared to the new gen. I think many people will agree with me on that one. Never said you wanted to know about my family car history. I told you about the Toyota's I own to let you know of the loyalty I have towards Toyota. The loyalty stems from the build quality and engineering of the Toyota vehicles. Right now I am basically buying an iPhone that was not made by Apple but by Samsung. If you like the new Supra, then good for you. You go buy your self one.
Like I said before, I was expecting a Toyota product but I am getting a German car instead which is a Z4.
Toyota may not have sold very many Toyota 86/Scion FRS, but Subaru made a killing on the BRZ. It just made more sense to buy the BRZ. Especially for when it comes to repairs and warranty. It makes more sense to purchase a car from the manufacturer that is more likely to have the parts in stock and more familiar with the vehicle.
Gt 86 with some upgrades is going to be whole lot faster than 4.1 seconds and still be cheaper
It also isn't new and has a 4 cylinder
Also much uglier
@@manvirl5032 nothing wrong with four bangers. Look at the evos
Spyder The,
I’d take an ugly fast over a pretty slow all day..lol
YODA TRDOR I need both, looks and decent speed. 4.1 sec is no slouch. It’s M3 territory. Decent speed, good handling, good looks is worth $50k. Will it sell like hot cakes probably not but it should sell enough to make money. Many kids that can afford it will love this car. I will get it if I was young again
I have a feeling the ecu remap for this car, from the aftermarket, is going to yield big power.
Half empty from me. I just can't get over that interior. And, I'm also vastly aware of the longevity problems BMW has been suffering, and desperately trying to downplay, for YEARS! I don't trust BMW quality anymore. I do understand the necessity of combining efforts, and the Z cars by BMW are very nice cars, indeed.
Overall, I'm just gonna sit and watch how those cars age. As a side note, i actually intend to get an Eight-Six for 2020. Hopefully I can find a 2019 example on blowout by then.
Imagine Rolls-Royce facing with BMW even Rolls-Royce screams performance AND reliability
Ill take the toyota 86 and slap a turbo on it over the new supra
And it will blow up fairly soon after, unfortunately. That car is not like the MKIV - bulletproof.
Forgot to mention the NSX
They were never in the same segment.
@@thecriticalthinkeroutsidet4947 gtr?
@@DJDiggityDubstep Nope, the GT-R neither.
the nsx has nothing to do with this video?
@@CarsOfPennsylvania Not necessarily that. What I meant is that the NSX and GT-R were never direct competitors to the Supra.
There is video on RUclips where they explain that new Supra is not really BMW. They apparently putted a lots of effort into building the car and it's by no means re-badged BMW.
edit: Video is called "2020 Toyota Supra - BMW or Toyota? The untold true story"
I spilt the damn cup cause there was no manual. I wonder why they didn’t put the 2019 Bmw M2 competition engine in the Supra. Manual could have been an option with more power.
Gee, that wasn't a biased review. The BRZ will drift and smoke tires You can drive it like a lunatic and have a lot of fun. More fun to drive a slow car fast. It was shot lumping around at 15mph while the BMW was shot drifting, smoking tires and spinning out. Two different cars. I own a BRZ and it's really fun. I think I would be frustrated in the BMW. Tight, powerful and an automatic. Wouldn't be able to drive it on public roads like a maniac. It would be boring. I can thrash the BRZ and it feels like I'm breaking every law while I look down and see that I'm going the speed limit. That's fun.
It wasn't a review. Reviews will come out when the embargo lifts (he prob shouldn't of called it a review at the end). BRZ and ND Miata are the best enthusiast cars you can actually drive on the road and enjoy. I loved my ND Miata and the BRZ is great too, but its a bit to rough on aussie roads for me. ND all the way.
Not only that but the 0-60 figure they announced for the 86 is for the automatic. The manual is actually much faster.
i actually was 50:50 on buying an 86 or waiting for the supra back when the price wasnt public. but it wasnt clear if the supra will ever come in manual (i wont drive automatic) and i actually like the looks of the 86 more when its got the standard mods everyone is doing. so i bought the 86. then the price was released and the 45k€ my dealer guessed turned into 65k€. so the supra wouldnt even be on the table for me.
@@lucfal5978 Manual 86s are just over 6 seconds. And he had a manual in the video.
Admiral Ackbar the average 0-60 times recorded on many sites like zerotosixty have recorded the manual version at an average of about 6.0. I have recorded mine going in 5.8. The auto is recorded at an average of 7.2 which is what was mentioned in the video
"In Japan there's a lot more people per capita"😂
He wanted to say more people per sq km
Hmmm, I think I'd rather spend a bit more and get an AMG or an M car if I'm spending $50k+
Legends should be left in the grave. Just look at how many revivals were disappointing for the fans.
Nissan did it right 10 years ago with the GTR. Honda did fantastic with their revival of the Civic. To be honest Toyota and Honda should collab to make a new Sports car. It would be the most reliable sports car ever and would still come with a Manual transmission
It's only a legend because some fanboys say it is one. For normal people, Supra means a speedy Toyota coupe. Stop trying to deprive Toyota of its own brand that it had built and deserves.
@@JAnx01 yeah, people only get pissy about the A90 because they think the MK4 came stock with 800hp.
The gtr was the only real successor
Why can't the biggest automaker in the world design their own supra? I really dont understand why they went to unreliable lease queen BMW for the powertrain. Those are NOT engines designed to last. I feel sorry for anyone that buys this car who expects true supra pedigree.
I was skeptical at first but after learning more details about the production process a few months ago, I am very impressed with Toyota's work. Heck I went from never considering getting a Supra in the future to it being my potential next sports car among a few other classics. Happy to see that this car is looking good so far and can't wait to check it out and hopefully sit in it at my local dealerships.
The Supra is the new Z4 coupe as the Z4 remains a convertible, this gives the e86M a new lease of classic life as the real NA M powered Z.
It's weird he says, "plain Jane gorgeous". Plain Jane implies bland.
Who buys a Mark4 Supra for $150K, wtf. That's crazy
A rebagded car is basically a car that has exactly the same parts,developed only by the original manufacturer and has no difference between them other than the badging. Basically the new supra is not a rebadged z4
I think it’s funny to say that being reminded of the close linkage with BMW is a negative. They both build great cars and I’m thankful that companies are collaborating and make more sports cars available.
As a JDM and BMW fan/owner I couldn't agree more! In the past JDM made some awesome cars. Give this Supra a chance...
Just remember, they could have used the Lexus LC500 platform and save more money instead of building in conjunction with BMW, which is if they did, would receive a better reception from everyone
@@MM-gg3rg nope I am not giving his car a chance because this not nothing in that car that is Toyota is mainly BMW so you might just call it a BMW product and that's it only difference is this is marketed as a Toyota but it's not a Toyota
@@davidckj1 that would be disastrous because Toyota is known for his good reliability they teaming up with somebody that don't have good reliability BMWs or in the shop way more often than Mercedes and Audi Lexus hold up pretty good so I don't see why it's would Toyota will mess up their reputation teaming up with somebody that they car is always in the shop
God of destruction I don’t know what you’re talking about, are you talking sarcastically or you have no idea that Lexus IS Toyota?
You’re comparing a Subaru to a BMW. TOYOTA HAS LEFT THE CHAT:
Jared Champagne I don’t think he’ll ever get invited to another event like this 😂
Jared Champagne and you were never part of that chat to begin with so shut up
it looks much better in videos than in pics, the rear end has real presence
The 86 and Supra won’t have that Toyota reliability in the long run, since under the skin they are a Subaru and BMW.
Thank you
headers12 Toyota and reliability in the same sentence? What year is this? 1989? Those days are long gone!
kenya catholic According to Consumer Reports, Business Insider, Forbes, US Vehicle Dependability Study, etc. All 2018-2019 Reports.
Some research would do you good before commenting. Like it or not, Toyota/Lexus have superior reliability.
The new Toyota Supra looks more like what a future Mazda RX-7 would have looked like.
Johnnie Walker ehhh idk about that
I can see it.
Toyota got the jump on the Silvia too with the 86.
“Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.”
Half Full
It's apparent that without these collaborations the bean counters would never allow these niche vehicles to be developed and built.
It would, BMW already makes a bunch of FR cars... This isn't a Supra.
Bean counters?
@@Eunos_FD3S accountants
I'd like some Dinan love for my new Toyota, please.
HerrPoopschitz lol That’s great 😂😂
Best video about Supra so far I can’t stop watching thanks 🙏
I've driven the Z4 M40i and it's honestly overkill for that size car, I can't even imagine an Z4 M with 500 HP
It has less power than the BMW simply because it's detuned, And it's detuned because toyota will get engines with higher tolerance, which run just fine, but BMW would reject.
Toyota isn't getting inferior blocks, not sure where you heard that. The lighter boost makes power delivery more liner, closer to that of NAs and it's repeatable predictable power.
More heavily boosted cars suffer more variable power lap after lap or corner after corner. Supra is supposed to be a driver's car hence why the MkIII&IV went to twin turbo in the past or were only boosted to around 8psi on the single turbo models MkIII & older models.
It's about predictable liner power only slightly above what that motor could do NA, essentially it's using the turbo to get rid of the acoustic torque dip of atmospheric NAs and a splash of HP more, because extra power comes with extra lag, that's just physics something that matters on roads that are twisty.
@@ChroniclesofKToyoda Toyota detuned the engine (thus the lower hp) because they knew it would not be reliable. Mess with the tuning and your warranty is void - bad news for a BMW. Lower boost just means lower power, period. The MKIV is a beast because it can run much higher boost and can be upgraded to much higher hp than stock with reasonable mods. The B58 can be modded - but nothing like the 2JZ-GTE. Mine has tasteful, moderate mods and makes 471 rwhp on low boost.
@@doctorlarry2273 I'm not claiming its better then the 2JZ, I'm just giving you the reason why it's lightly boosted. Like you say Toyota's 2J was strong, it could've readily shipped with an extra 100hp from factory without issue but with boost comes lag regardless of how modern a turbo, but lag aside, big turbo engines just don't give repeatable amounts of power with even amounts of accelerator input. These are the same sort of reasons that the LFA was an NA.
As for your claim that Toyota is getting inferior blocks, that doesn't seem to be backed by anything the engineering teams have said & is seemingly a nonsensical statement.
Also I'll point out if your statement is ment to convey that the new Supra makes less power by virtue of an inferior block then by that logic the 2JZ Supras must be the weakest of the bunch.. See how asinine it is to make such statements rather than listen to the BMW & Toyota engineering teams.
Isn't it detuned purely to justify the Z4s higher price?
Awesome! i cant wait for next video! i been seen your video for 6 months i love what you do with this cars!I LOVE YOUR CONTENT!
I’ll stick to my ‘17 86, unless Toyota brings out the Supra with a 6spd 🤷♂️
Same honestly
And with another 5k you could have a really nice set up with a turbo. And the cherry in top it will be manual
@@angelC916 Blown engine.
I really want to like the new Supra but it seems like a Mustang would be a better buy. Even the ecoboost (especially with that new high performance edition) seems like a better option
Plus you can get a manual with the Mustang
More people should bear in mind almost every car built, past & present, share many key components with many other cars due to the prohibitive expense of making everything bespoke. It is how these things are subsequently incorporated & tuned into the car which matters.
When you consider that a naturally aspirated Aavalon V6 produces 301 hp... and this BMW engine which is TWIN TURBOCHARGED produces 340hp... Its quite clear that Toyota could have EASILY made their own engine producing at least 360hp
It's really just the result of corporate bean counters. For cars like the 86 and Supra, they're low volume cars that won't generate much profit for Toyota. Toyota lives and dies with how well the Corolla and Camry does. From an engineering and design perspective, I'm sure the chief engineer would have liked bespoke projects from the ground up.
@RMH 666 It's not twin turbocharged. It's a single turbo with twin scrolls to spool up faster, hence the large torque available in the lower RPMs. Toyota wanted a inline-6 for balance. Why would they use a heavy V6, then modify it to take boost reliability since it's a NA engine on a different platform?
*Unpopular Opinion* But I really dont care for the design of the new Supra..... Just looks weird to me
SuperDan I agree it's really not attractive... like at all
Is it weird to want the 86 more than the Supra I keep thinking wide body kit 2jz swap
me too
86 is actually worth the damn money.
Fuk no
@@burningknuckle26 WHY?
is it *really* a Supra if it's not got 3 pedals?
@C_dubbz _ more expensive and less fun than a manual.
Carlos Lago went from Motor Trend senior editor to making cameos on TFL.
The point of the 86 and the BRZ that most people miss is the feeling of pushing the car to its limits on a normal twisty road without going to far over the speed limit. It's about fun not flat out speed
They couldn't get more power as part of the deal. BMW couldn't let Toyota have the same or more power than z4 since its their engine
Cool Supra, sounds and shifts like my BMW X5 LOL
I can't get over they BMW sound in a Toyota body
If you hate the BMW sound, swap it with the JZ lmao
@@valves.mp4 I get that but not everyone wants to spend 50k on the car just to spend another 3 maybe 5 grand if you're lucky to void the warranty I personally say I am the warranty but ya get what I'm saying
@@urznightmare understandable
My poor ole knees started hurting just watching you get into that great looking Supra. I had a red 1983, loved it. Let the marketing hipe begin.....
Supra without a 2JZ isn't a Supra. I respect that BMW Engine, but this is a Toyota Surpa and needs a 2JZ. or a 3JZ .
7m was very badass as well. Str6 turbo makes a supra.