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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2018
- Airmap allows you to quickly receive authorization from the FAA to fly in U.S. controlled airspace Class B, C, D and surface E.
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Question: If you receive automated authorization to fly at max altitude of 100ft AGL, does that include 100ft above the ground, surface, or building below you as long as you are close to that building? Ex: Can I fly 100ft above a 4 story building? Let me know in the comments below. Thanks for watching!
This answer is to a question that is quite similar to your question:
5. (Refer to Figure 20, area 1.) You’re hired to inspect a group of structures that are under construction 9 statute miles (SM) south of Norfolk Intl airport. What’s the highest you’re allowed to fly without needing to ask for additional FAA permission?
A) 470 ft. MSL
B) 853 ft. AGL
C) 1,200 ft.
While the Part 107 regulations state a maximum altitude of 400 ft. AGL, you’re allowed to fly higher than that as long as you’re within 400 ft. of a tower / obstruction. You’re even allowed to fly up to 400 ft. over the topmost part of that tower. In this case, the height of the high-intensity lighted group of structures under construction 9 statute miles (SM) south of Norfolk Intl airport is 453 ft. AGL. If you’re flying “as high as allowed under Part 107,” you’d be flying 453 ft. AGL + 400 ft., or 853 ft. AGL.
I hope this helps...
This FAA Order says if flying near an airport in areas with height restrictions shown on the UAS Facility Map, if flying within 400' laterally of an obstacle, you can add 100' to the height restriction shown on the map. Staying 500' below the cloud ceiling still applies. This info is detailed on pg. 7 of this pdf: www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/JO_7200.23A_Unmanned_Aircraft_Systems_(UAS).pdf - (To your question here and in the video, it is not "100' over the structure," and definitely not 400' over.)
@@delongdesign From the same document, page A-3 "Part 107 allows operators to fly 400 feet AGL and if, within a 400-foot radius of a structure/obstacle, they can fly to
the height of the structure plus 400 feet. However, the maps will only be evaluated to 400 feet AGL. For any request
above 400 feet AGL, regardless of proximity to a structure/obstacle, headquarters will coordinate with the facility". It appears that approval to fly above structures cannot be obtained using the automated authorizations but can be authorized by contacting the facility directly. I can see where this can be confusing.
I know this video is old but I'm still making sense of this question. Some documentation seems to point that you're cleared for your structure plus 100', other seems to maintain that you're cleared for a MAX of 100' as you questioned. Was there any sort of conclusion reached? Using Reunion tower as an example since I live in Dallas, if I wanted to fly OVER the tower, would a 100' AGL authorization clear me up to 661' AGL within the 400' radius of the tower? That seems to be what the 107 paperwork suggests?
@@caseyfrederick9887 Lou Vaillancourt is correct. I agree, it is often confusing to interpret regs. I’ll try and give the short answer and then expand a bit to try and help clarify. Remember there is a difference Part 107, recreational, and when in/out of controlled airspace when considering these rules.
The max height you could be authorized for through LAANC in controlled airspace is 400’ AGL. The most restrictive segment height you apply for authorization in IS your MAX altitude. No adding an additional 100’, that should have already been considered by the facility according to their procedures. So if the segment you want to fly in max height is 200’ AGL, then with approval, you can fly up to a max of 200’ AGL.
If higher than 400’ AGL or that segments max height is needed in controlled airspace, you must contact and coordinate with the facility. Outside of controlled airspace you may apply the rule to clear obstacles up to 400’ AGL under part 107.
Ch 4 Part 107 1 (pg 7) is the procedure the controlling facility will use to determine max AGL for LAANC requests depending on the distance from the airport reference point (ARP). This part describes the procedure used to determine the AGL heights for each segment from 0-400’ AGL + 100’ for an obstacle. Section A-7 states that automated approval above 400’ will not be automatically authorized. Approval to go higher than 400’ AGL may be possible with coordination with the controlling facility.
Hope this helps.
What if you have just a mini (249 grams) and no pt 107 will you still get confirmed?
Hey Jeff... just got the M2Pro and love it. After watching your video I feel a lot better about getting authorization for Atlanta. Wish me luck :).
Jeff I too enjoy your channel and your technique for describing what your going to be doing, I’m a newbie to the DJI Mavic Air world your videos have given me confidence in my drone flying. Thanks for showing how to use Air Map I’m sure it will be one of my most used apps.
Thanks Brad that makes me happy to hear that. Let me know if you have other topics you are curious about.
Great video, thanks for the walk through.
It was very helpful information. It worked very well. Im in Sacramento CA Thanks
a big thank you,, I watched this,,, I went out and tested it at the beach,, in 2 spots, one had a 0 altitude next to a 400 box, and it would not submit,, as I expected,, so I went to another beach near by,, it worked exactly like you said,,, thank you,, like and subscribed
Very nice, Jeff! Thank you for showing the actual hands-on operations to perform the AirMap authorization. As for flight altitude, I'm sure it's a hard ceiling level of 100' where you were flying, thank you!
Thanks Steve for weighing in. Seems to be the consensus so far.
Steve, Why are you sure?
He doesn’t mention that if you fly DJI, you need to get the drone unlocked for that area from DJI “fly safe” before AirMap authorization...or you still can’t fly. Go to DJI.com, tap “support”, tap “fly safe”, tap “restricted zone authorization” then you have to fill in your controller number along with the start date you want to fly. Then you will get a three day authorization. Make sure you’re logged into your DJI account first or you have to do it all over again. THEN, and only then, can you follow the instructions in the video for your FAA LAANC authorization through AirMap.
Hi Ben thanks for the comments. A lot has changed since I posted this 10 months ago. Do you get the "fly safe" unlock immediately or do you need to do that in advance?
Hi Jeff.
They say they try to get authorization in one hour or less. But if you’re working as a Part 107, I would suggest getting your DJI authorization the night before. Also, sometimes when you’re ready to fly you may even have to go through the self unlock procedure on the DJI app before the final unlock.
Thank You so much!
Very Informative...Thank you...
Nice run through, thanks.
However, you may wish to withdraw your support for Airmap (and delete the app from your phone) after watching this.
ruclips.net/video/gWTU3wagbGc/видео.html
Thanks for this very informative video! I did not realize that this was possible. I hope you enjoyed your stay in the Metroplex. Maybe next time you can come visit us in Fort Worth.
Thanks Todd, glad you found this helpful. I would like to check out Ft. Worth sometime. Any good locations you can recommend?
@@JeffGreeneChannel I have not ventured out with the drone myself much yet, but I've heard that the Fort Worth Water Gardens and FW Trinity Park might be good places to fly - and according to airmap, they look far enough away from Meacham and the Naval Air Station to not be an issue.
@@PDTechGuy thanks for the recommendation. These look like great spots to check out. The water gardens could make some really nice top down shots. I hope to make it back soon
Hi Jeff as far as I know as a VFR pilot trained in the IFR if there is airspace above you the map will say that it starts at surface or so many feet above maybe 1500 or so.That being said if it is at surface you would be in controlled airspace and would need to be on radar and have a transponder and be flight planned for it.So I guess it would be a no in that case.
Being a new recreational owner of a DJI Mavic Pro drone I have had a very difficult time finding information regarding notifications to Air Traffic Control regarding flights within their restricted air space. What I do find is geared way more to the commercial operator than the hobbyist.
While your websites and videos talk a lot about LAANC you have very little or nothing on AirMaps D-NAS. With all the latest changes I believe an updated video is justified.
I understand that Commercial pilots have a bigger stake in getting proper authorization, but the responsible recreational operators at least deserve some recognition because a non informed operator is more likely to give a bad name to all operators vs those that have obtained certificates. As being a widely view channel I would hope you would take a larger responsibility to keeping the recreational operators informed as to how properly give notifications of flight and how it will assist them in flying safely.
While this may seem obvious to you that you have taken the recreational flyer into consideration, believe me, you need to do more.
Thank you
Lastly GREAT PRODUCTION ELEMENTS!
Thank you sir I appreciate that!
Getting a mavic mini soon and I am learning this stuff now.
Same dude!
I might be getting one aswell 😂
I get a Mini today haha
Here in the Seattle area, I am about 30 miles from Seattle, there are only about 20% of the airports on LAANC. The rest say "coming soon" and it has been that way for over a year. Mostly they are Delta and Echos.
Yep for the most part Raleigh is the same..."coming soon".
Nice video Jeff, thanks for the info! Cheers!
Yes I was looking on the AIRMAP app and yes there is different altitude's 100 feet 200 feet etc.
So yes the read on the air map I believe it's completely restricted we can never fly in their.
But the yellow my drawn to start up without an issue I guess??
Or I guess you could say that sometimes EDJI app tells you your in air space you shouldn't be and and you can take responsibility but I guess with air map you are legal then to fly in there so I shouldn't have an issue starting the drone I guess?
Add any more detail if you can but thank you for responding.
Huge fan of AirMap! Thanks for the video as always! What day of the week did you fly?
This was on a Thursday
Great video! I am not familiar with this topic but your video is smooth and very informative.
Thanks Lucy!
Sir that was absolutely professional and informative 👍👍👍
Thank you 👍.....you definitely sounded like a fighter pilot 🙂...
Were you a pilot of other aircraft? 🤔 Just wondering.
Thanks again for sharing....
Hi Jeff, enjoy your channel; I’ve used LAANC for jobs around the Charlotte, NC class B airspace; works great. I had a COA for this before and a few Class D’s, but not needed anymore. Don’t think you can fly above the ceiling limit for that quadrant.
Thanks usairstar, so in this case 100ft max no matter what structure is below you?
Or above you, I guess...
Hi Jeff. Great video. Can you clarify how the authorization to fly is coming from the FAA and not just from the app? I am used to calling ATC and giving my certificate number and drone registration number to gain access. AirMap never asks for this information. Does my local ATC trust just my cell phone number for authorization?
Do you have a 2019 rules and regulations video?
Hi Jeff. Thanks for the video. If we get the authorization from the airmap, do i need to perform the flight with airmap app or can i still fly with the dji app? Thanks
I dunno if the question has been answered or if rules differ here in Canada. But if you within 200ft of a building you can be 100ft above that structure.
I get the LAANC easily, but still hung up on unlocking NFZ with DJI. Have you had experience with DJI system. It seems quite convoluted.
Jeff, I noticed in your video you indicated in your Airmap Authorization that you were flying with anti-collision lights. I did not see the anti-collision lights on your DJI Mavic during your setup. What were you using for anti-collision lighting? I have to add high intensity strobes on my DJI Phantom 4 Pro to meet the requirement. I use rechargeable strobes attached to the legs of my drone (1 Red Port, 1 Green Starboard, and two white strobes). They help even during daylight conditions to maintain Visual Line of Sight as well.
As far as I understand when in restricted Airspace with Part 107 you have to remain at or below the flight level authorized. When flying in unrestricted airspace with Part 107 you can exceed the building or tower within a cone of 400' vertical and horizontal of the structure. So if your flying near a 500' structure you can fly up to 900' AGL as long as your remain withing 400' of the structure. If you are flying for fun and the structure exceeds 400' you have to fly around it while of course maintaining visual line of sight. Flying for fun you can never exceed the 400' AGL unless in an emergency to avoid other aircraft (not the structure).
Great video. What phone and operating system did you use? I assume you closed down DJI GO 4 after starting props, then opened Airmap app to fly.?
This was so helpful! I use AirMap regularly but never quite understood how to get authorization unless a phone number was provided. Did you apply as a hobbyist?
Glad you found this helpful MrWheatle. Yep the automated authorization is still being rolled out in select areas, so i was glad to see it in Dallas. I applied as a Part107 holder.
0:11 That made me thirsty. I’m going to 7 Eleven for a drink similar. I’ll video when I come back.
Great tutorial on Airmap.
I have the current version of Airmap (version 2.5.3) on my iPhone and I was trying to emulate your request under the FAA 107 certification and I see some changes in the app screens. (some of it may be because you have the DJI drone linked to the app). However, if I choose the same location that you did (around the Hyatt Regency Dallas), when I get to the last screen there is a button to "Submit Flight" but I am not getting the message your screen is showing "Authorization Upon Submission".
Not sure if I am doing something wrong or if that changed and would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you
Hi Cee Dee, nothing wrong on your end. I believe there may be changes within the Airmap software. I actually went back to the same spot about a month later and experienced the same. I have seen the same with Airmap in other areas(different states), unfortunately.
@ jeff is this airmap only able to use in US or it can it cater to south east asia?
Do you know if you can connect Airmap to Mavic Mini? I have been trying with mine but is not working. Any idea or advice.... thanks
Do the requests need to be input in Zulu time or local time?
If my drone is less than 250 grams (Mavic Mini) do I need to get verified? and what do I say when it asks if I have a license (which I dont)
Getting a flight plan verification is required with the Mini IF operating in controlled airspace like this video. What you don’t have to do, yet, is register. I registered my Mini anyway. Two reasons: 1) I run with a strobe on most of the time (and sometimes leg extensions) so it’s over 250g. 2) I had to register my Mavic Air 2 anyway, so one number is good for all your UAV’s IF you’re recreational flying. Part 107 needs a separate number for each. Enjoy!
Hello. AIRMAP can use in UK just to check zone, but is it possible tu use AIRMAP if I would like get autorization in UK? Or it Works only in USA?
Thanks for the video Jeff. I just bought a Mavic 2 Pro and DJI won't let me take off. I live near a small airport (Class D Airspace) that does not have automated authorizations. I got authorization online at FAA's Dronezone in less than 24 hours. To also get authorization from DJI I had to go to their website and submit another application with a copy of my FAA approval. After submitting the application a message was displayed that they will respond within 5 days. The 5 day period has come and gone but DJI never responded. My question is when using the Airmap app, is there a way to fly with only manual FAA approval?
Oh man that sounds aweful. I am not aware of a way unless you use the Litchi app (3rd party), which doesn't have any flight restrictions that I am aware of.
Does this work for recreational drone users too? Or only license pilots
Does this work for the phantom 3 standard
Hey Jeff, great video i have a ? i always get the air map verification code or token but nothing else, am i ok to flight?
Yep that should be all there is to it. Good question.
@@JeffGreeneChannel Thanks, am good to go!
and dose this let your drone know it can take off?
Quick question, I'm fairly new to droning and I'm thinking about getting a mavic air, what necessities do i need to buy for the best cinematic shots for a noob?
Hi Dame, the only accessory that i would say you "need" are ND filters. Those are the only things that will help you achieve better shots. Everything else, i would say are "nice to have". Here are the ones that I bought: amzn.to/2ELOu8J . Hope this helps!
Sure does... thanks for the help. Keep the videos coming!
Can I find out if I can get authorization to fly in a Zero Ceiling red zone before driving to the location (which is 2 hours away)?
How do you launch the drone after receiving the authorization code? Last time I tried this i was still receiving a no fly zone warning from DJI even though it was authorized through AirMap. Thank you
Does the airmap app need to me on the controller and connected to your drone to run the request for authorization or can you just run the app on the phone?
What version of Airmap are you using? I ask because I do not get that same set of screens when I select Fly for Fun.
Hi Henry, i am using version 2.4.0 (176). Also this will be specific to flying with a Part 107.
Wonderful video and very informative as yours always are- I have a question for anyone---- I have not taken my part 107 test yet, once I pass and receive my 107 certification does that give me a better chance to get a flight plan approved? Anyone have any experience with this?
Hi Andrew, Thanks for the positive comment. I would like to hear others opinions on this question. I suspect you would have a better chance of getting approved as a part 107 holder, but i have no facts to back that up.
For DJI Drones and others do you have to do something to the drone to use this?? Another words if I was close to an airport now and my drone wouldn't start because of airspace, once I apply for the LAANC for that area how does my drone know when to start because if you're in a bad area the drone won't even turn start up??
I guess I'm not sure how that system talks to the drone so the drone will actually work?
Thank you please help
Interesting question. You should not have to do anything additional. However, if you are extremely close to an airport, they likely control the airspace down to 0ft, so automated authorization is not an option. Automated authorization would be used if the airport/faa controlled the airspace down to something like 100ft. They will likely grant you access if you hold a part107 certification. Hope this helps.
@@JeffGreeneChannel and @Heli4213 Look up "DJI Geo Unlock." It's a separate step that may be necessary. You just have to click some boxes to say you have authorization and you take full responsibility. It can be done through the GO app right then, or ahead of time through a website they have for it (but you'd only do the website if you expected not to have cell phone internet access where you were going).
I have this problem. Once you receive authorization from the FAA you need to jump through a bunch of hoops to get DJI to temporarily remove the NFZ restriction. Good luck. If you want to give it a try go to www.dji.com/flysafe/geo-system/individual-unlock . You will need to upload your authorization document and submit your request. DJI says you should get a response within 5 days. Yes, you read that right. 5 days! Had I known of this I would not have spent my money on a DJI product. Probably would have got the Autel Evo which seems comparable and does not disable your drone.
What is the US Part 107 Certification?
I’m attempting to fly in the same area and my app says ‘automated authorization coming soon at or below 100’. Any reason why you think this has changed since your flight was only a few months ago? My app version is 2.5.1
Hi Ted, I did notice the same thing when i was putting some clips of this video together. When i went back, i noticed "coming soon" instead of "now available". I think these authorizations are very fluid, so i am not certain if the change is with the airmap software or some other external restriction with the local airspace. I had a similar situation in Kansas City recently where authorization was available, though i never got the response back in the Airmap app. So i ended up bagging it. Maybe next time.
I was able to complete the process fairly easily, however unlike your video and others like it, my text message authorization included a message to contact the ATC? Is there a reason why I might’ve received this message and others I’ve seen do this on RUclips have not? For full disclosure I contacted them and everything seemed OK, I was just curious.
Mack, that is a good question. I would probably chaulk it up to 'app development' issue. Some things are definitely not rolled out in all areas. Oddly, i went back in to airmap the day after my flight, and the automated authorization was not an option. Not sure if there was an ATC issue that day or just an Airmap App issue. it's a good start, but still needs improvement.
My version of Airmap does not appears to have an LAANC(sp) link? Should I have that link? If so how do I get it installed?
Hi Henry, i have found that the LAANC link will only be near certain airport. This is still being rolled out, and will take some time. There is nothing to install other than the Airmap App.
Do you have to have a 107 Certification???
I was flying that day filming trains with inspire 2 saw your drone wandered where you were. Now I see your video, go figure.
Yes!!! That is so awesome. I saw your Inspire 2 briefly, and even got just a small video clip of the Inspire 2 by the train. I was thinking what are the chances of 2 drones being down here in the same area at the same time. Happy Flying!
@@JeffGreeneChannel Airmap should implement a notification of other UAS in the area of your approved flight. That is of course, the Inspire 2 had Airmap authorization too.
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i think the same rules apply. because air manned aircraft will fly 100ft above a structure.
How does the drone know its ok to fly?? (How do you get the drone to change from "Cannot takeoff" to "Ready to Go")?
Dji has recently updated their app to prevent you from flying near airports in the past few months. You may be required to let dji know that you you have authorization via airmap. I'll look into it, as this would be a good video topic as well.
I have part 107 license have airmap unlocked and area and DJI app will not let me take off do you know why?
Hi wesidefoos, Airmap and the DJI app are not integrated in any way. You have a great question; How do you let the DJI app know that you have authorization via Airmap for a specific flight in the area. I have not experienced this yet, but i will find a location where this applies and find out.
@@JeffGreeneChannel what I've been doing is getting permission through airmap and the FAA and then I unlock the Zone on DJI website fly safe
I noticed you have a 107. Can I apply if I dont have a 107?
Hi theoakbridge, i believe the automated authorization is specific to p107 holders (at least for now). Things are always changing.
New to this as a hobbyist, and I have a question, if the drone is under 250 grams and used for recreational purposes only, won't be flying over 200 feet, do I still have to request Authorization?
Yes
Remember, as a hobbiest, you are required to get an FAA license for yourself and that number goes on any aircraft over 250 grams. When flying under FAA 107 like myself for profit, we are required to register each drone over 250 grams. I'm not sure how the FAA can track a hobbiest flying a small drone under 250 grams with no registration required. You are really off the radar in that situation.
Do you have to have your 107?
Yep sure do.
what is the Meaning of “No airspace authorization is available”????
This video is NOT for hobbiest. It's for 107! You should clarify that in your title.
It’s a hard ceiling so the structure rule does not apply....
Good to know. I was afraid that might be the case. Thanks for confirming Design Eagles!
This makes it look like the authorization comes in very quickly. This has NOT been my experience. Suggest the "submit" be multiple days prior to actual flight. Just saying.
Ed, I thought authorizations come back quickly if you submitted for flying under the max height shown in the FAA's UAS facility maps, is that not correct?
@@b2bmail : Yes, I am now getting authorizations very quickly. Go figure.
@@edruttledge342 Good to hear!
@@b2bmail As recent as 6 months ago, when I tried to obtain the LAANC authorization inside controlled airspace but at or below the restricted AGL elevation, AirMap said I needed to request authorization at least 24 hours in advance. This was after LAANC was rolled out in NE USA.
@@thomaslippert299 Is that still true today?
Jeff here is a discussion that I think may help you.
mavicpilots.com/threads/question-about-the-400-ft-rule.53222/page-6#post-613629
To boil it down and my understanding of 107 rules. I think that if you stayed within 400 feet, (possibly 100 feet for you since that is the altitude that you were cleared to fly,) then you could fly up to the tower and while staying within 400’/100', of the tower then you could fly over the tower. But never more than 400’/100, away from the tower.
That is my interpretation, this is not legal advise and I am not a lawyer.
P.s. Thanks for the Vid, very helpful!
Thanks Brian much appreciated!
I don't recommend AirMap since they have a track record of supporting anti-drone legislation in the past.
Do you have to have a 107 Certification???
Indeed, i do.