Wedding Audio Mistakes | How To Get Great Audio Under Pressure!
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- Опубликовано: 17 мар 2020
- Andrew and Steve are back for a mailbag episode that covers everything from Andrew's wedding audio mistakes to why we use condenser mics for RUclips. People are used to seeing dynamic mics for podcasts and RUclips studios but we explain how we get great audio from the S-Mic 2S, how to get good sound in an untreated room, and much more.
Not sure about audio roles on set? Where your role as a mixer ends and where post begins? We tackle this tricky topic with some suggestions on how to prevent future problems in audio workflow. No longer will you have miscommunications on set.
This episode also covers the HD-TX: how to use it for better interview audio, and how to use it to get wireless audio on set. Whether you use it as a part of your Deity Connect wireless system or as a standalone tool, it's a powerful piece of gear that will make your audio kit better!
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What was YOUR biggest audio f-up and what do you learn?
How the HD-TX could have saved me!!
2 weeks ago I got a vox pox type interview with a speaker after a well-received presentation. The aim was to get her to do a 30-second recap and to use it as a promo on social media to get more views on the longer-form video. My camera -Canon M50- doesn’t have audio out so it is difficult to really be sure you are getting good levels. I checked the information screen and saw the metres moving up and down when I did the audio check, but to my great horror, in the edit found out that I had only been getting audio from the built-in camera mic. I had no redundancy like you guys said in your Better Interview Audio | How to Mic Up 2 People With Booms and Lavs so you are covered and in post choose the best audio. ruclips.net/video/eQFMnN0kCM4/видео.html
Now that could have been avoided with great gear like the HD-TX which can transmit wirelessly and record locally but the HD-TX unit goes beyond that as it has a headphone out so you can check levels as well, so wireless, local records and headphone monitoring is a trifecta of features to help save an interview!
Basic Filmmaker's review of the HD-TX and the headphone port
ruclips.net/video/nOpR1RLr5Eg/видео.html
Listen I know am not the first questioner but in the bright side am the first asker. Can you just help me get your mic for free promise to work it hard and revile it's legacy to my country man.
Having a mobile phone on an unbalanced microphone cable during podcast recording. There were reasons not to listen in all the time, but now I check where the phones are for sure.
My friend was doing sound for me on a short film (also had another guy to help out with the booming etc).. thanks to serious budget constrains (plus Deity mics aren't available in India easily, sadly), we had a Zoom H1 and a H1N in the pocket of the actors. In post, I realized -
A. There were audio files that ran on for almost an hour and a half
B. The mic got disconnected between takes, and the sound guy had no idea
Luckily we were also booming the actors, but that had its own complications. Ended up dubbing half the film, eventually.
Lessons learnt -
A. Keep the setup simple (Now working with three Rode Wireless Mics, and a S Mic 2 all plugged into a Zoom F4). The H1 and H1N are around for Foley and as backups in case we need to lav more people, but not relying on them for the primary audio source without monitoring them (my main recorder was a Zoom H4N with a preamp for the mic)
B. Monitoring audio cannot be compromised
By the way, you should really think about promoting the Deity mics and setups in India. We need the quality and reliability of your kits. Got my S Mic 2 through a friend coming in from US. It was a pain to obtain it, but worth the effort
A long time ago, recording an event (a Quince) with an old Sony PD-170 (Mini DV era...), I had the boom mic with the wrong settings (and no backup audio at all...) and taped an important part of the event winth no sound. What I learned? Always, I mean ALWAYS, double check the audio settings of the camera and always have a secondary source of audio (the so called "backup"). Thanks a lot for this helpful videos! Salutes from Argentina!
Great question from Charlie and I agree - ok to adjust the fader on the mix, best not to mess with trim on the iso channels.
My biggest f-up was to leave my lavalier hiding kit (tape, mole skin, etc.) at home. Since then, I created a packing checklist I run through before I leave home for a shoot. Haven't forgotten anything since then.
LOL. The thumbnail happened to me! Instantly recognized it.
Thanks for sharing your recording pain, Andrew. It's encouraging to rookies like myself, especially after screwing up, to know that the pros have had their share of forehead slapping moments. And we get to learn from your mistakes!
Thanks guys for answering my question, 2:50 really loved the BTS, that helps to give us hope that we can get great sound in a room with little treatment. Wish I had gotten the V-Lav😇
Great info! Thanks! 😊
I love the little F**u* undertone in Andrews "yea" at 1:32 😂😂 The tone of his voice tells so much about the bad memories about this 😂 Golden!
5:24 Thank you so much fellas for answering my question. Cleared a lot up. Really greatful
It's a great question, thanks for asking! We bet more people get into that type of situation than admit. Hopefully this can help others too.
@@DeityMicrophones Indeed. I'm learning so much from you guys, and I'm loving the job more every day. Thank you
Barely any question for now, none actually. All I can say is your gear is really great... one dream function, it's there... one clever feature, it's there. So, what can we ask for ?
Mistakes ? Yes.
On my 3 months tour doing interviews of blood-sick persons, we finally got an approval to meet a reference Professor who's considered *the* specialist of NPH and aplasia. The guy is so tight on schedule, that was our only chance for some 6 months (in one hour he gets from 15 up to 25 phone calls, on "normal" days). Their phone call arrived during breakfast, for an 11:00AM meeting... as a total surprise, because we thought the OK would never occur (canceled three times). We had to wrap up the tea-cup break, pack the stuff, scroll the train schedule, etc. I had to check all the gear (only one in charge, my team-mate was busy with her part) and make sure I had everything verified, which I did. Well... I thought I did.
Arriving on location (the Hopital Saint Louis, in Paris) we were told the interview could be filmed outside (post-treatment garden was opened) or inside (but not in the actual medical departement, for obvious reasons). Inside was chosen, too noisy outside, and we headed to the historical building where a whole room was reserved for us : vast XIXth century cubic place, with high ceeling, flat walls, numerous tiny windows, about 25 pillars, etc. your typical ancient room, with acoustics perfect for natural voice resonance, but awful for amplified sound be it music or voice. That kind of place where you get a headache after a mere hour of conference because sound spins and swirl around, making you dizzy for a whole day.
I unpacked, set my lights and reflectors, then my tripod and camera... and couldn't find my microphone case ! Forgotten because of the rush we were in when receiving the OK call. I was desperate, with no way out. Image quality is great, interview was so rich and captivating... sound is such a piece of crap, because recorded with the camera's microphones. I still blame myself today. There probably is some 2 or 3/10th second reverberation in the room, as it was completely empty.
Now, a "MICRO" label shows in two places of my camera bag... and it never happened since. 😂
I want to join in on the fail stories... I went to record a RUclips video back when I had under 200 subscribers and was putting out a video every 3 days trying to get picked up by the algorithm. I was extremely tired because I had just worked a 14 hour day on The Walking Dead and was trying so hard to get motivated. Finally I hit record on my webcam (which is what I recorded on in the early days of Sound Speeds) and on my MixPre-6. Fought exhaustion and nonstop stutters but managed to finish recording in 1 hr 45 minutes. I was so happy to be done and looked down at the computer, hit stop on the webcam recording and then went to my MixPre-6 and saw that when I thought I hit record, I must have hit stop instead because nothing recorded. The webcam software was set to record the audio from my MixPre-6 (what I thought was a failsafe) but all I had was buzz. Crushed and so mad... I was energized and recorded the video again right then and there. 1 hr 30 minutes later I was done and had to be up in 1 hour 20 minutes for another 14 hour day.
Hey guys! I had some issues where the D3 wasn't auto turning off when connected to my Fuji xt3. I think I read somewhere that might be a compatibility issue with the Fuji system and I might need an adapter?
I really like what you guys are doing and wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. I returned it but was reconsidering the d3 pro, but again, I wanted to make sure I could get things to work instead of worry about the battery during a wedding day shoot.
Thanks in advance!
Question, what are the benefits to having wireless audio on a small shoot where having cables everywhere doesn’t matter/isn’t an issue? Do you think it is better then to save some money and just run the cord or do you think you should still buy a wireless system?
Have you guys ever had to sound treat a garage as a home studio? and what would the best course of action be to make the greatest difference in audio quality? Thank you guys I love the show.
Awesome, and the Zoom H1 wedding story - would have flipped out. Mine is stupid - recording 2 hours of course material, silly me FINALLY looks up and realizes the boom mic overhead is pointed 90 degrees to the right and not at me. LOL! Bet your a** I always look up and check the mic placement. 😀
Double question.... 1) If there’s ever any firmware updates to the Deity D3 Pro, how would we go about updating it? And 2) What is your recommended Deadcat to use with the D3 Pro??? Thanks and hope this gets picked
Thanks for that tip about the *mouth de-clicker* I never knew that existed!.
MAIL-BAG QUESTION - Why do some people position their LAV MICS upside-down?
Can you explain what would be the best workaround for post production if multiple people (video editor, audio post, etc) have to work on one edit?
Question - When working with wireless lavs hidden on talent, is it possible completely eliminate the noise from clothing and movement? Or is the goal to simply minimize it as much as possible? I'm new to location sound mixing and I need to know where to set the bar. Thanks!
what would you do to deal with room reverb in post?
I saw you did a video about your sound bag. When you mentioned slave receiver. Can you do a video showing how you do that set up?
I was recording audio at a party with the deity d3 on my a6400 and the audio sounds distorted in the high pitched areas of the songs even though the levels show that it isn't?
What microphone of yours would work best for me to record loud car audio? I usually mount the mics at the back of the car by the exhaust.
Hi there. I'm from Sikkim and I'm following you regularly and I am learning so many things. In sync sound what is time code and why it is important to understand it?Can you come up with a tutorial on this? Thanks
A couple questions, are there any different sorts of techniques that you use when you are booming for films and there is a lot of action or movement? Do I need to record Room Tone in every single place if later they will probably remove all the background noise in post? I've heard you talk about the use of HPFs on your field recorder since it sometimes helps the preamps work better, what about the use of in-built Compressors or Limiters, should we try to get the best gain level and use limiters just in case or better to leave good enough headroom and then process in post?
Hello, what is the must-have accesories for SFX/foley recording?
Question for the next mailbag:
What is a good setup for monitors and other equipments for audio post production? Does it have some differences in the setup for the music production/post?
Question, if I only have one wireless for a wedding, but they're using a mic, what is the best use for that single mic?
Can you use a tascam Dr40 and a boom with a shotgun mic on it for short films and is it good enough for a feature film?
Are there any tricks for getting an audio slate at a live event (theatre or wedding) that does not involve running up on stage?
I had multiple videos where the microphone got unplugged mid-way and it pushed me to just switch to DR-10Ls with locking 3.5mm connectors. I know Deity just released a similar sort of product and that's perfect for security when you have to give the recorder to someone else.
Any plans to make a handheld mic with built in transmitter for the Dual connect system?
nice sir
Which budget mic do you recommend for short films
On my H1n I put a little strip of bright yellow tape on the mic input side as a visual reminder for when I'm rushing around trying to get thing ready.
Brilliant! Simple but effective.
What equipment should I first purchase instead of renting it everytime?
Which lav is best for walk and talks on real estate, reality shows, etc?
What do you guys recommend for a backyard wedding with no DJ
Should room tone be recorded in stereo or mono? Or is it a mix or both, with mono room tone recorded on the boom mic to fill in gaps in dialog mixed with a stereo room tone for ambience/sense of space?
Where can I get one of those cool Deity T-Shirts you guys are wearing?
Can I use Deity V-mic D3 Pro as my PC Microphone for Music,Voice Over or Foley Recording?
Does dirty mic change recording sound? What can we do to clean all the equipment?
Hi guys! any cheap way to do ifb system without comtek?
Hey thanks for your videos ! I wanted to ask u guys if u could give us some advice or tips for recording in extreme sport activities like mountaineering, paragliding, climbing, etc.. for example Im preparing for a 6 days trip into a place where I will not have access to electricity for my equipment and will be recording athletes most of the time so if u have any tips it would be most appreciated ! Thanks 🙏 guys !
Well, my biggest f-up, was a wedding where the bilingual church has a really good audio guy and yamaha digital sound board and system. During the rehearsal, he did an excellent job at managing feedbacks, control gains, mute/unmute tracks. For weddings, I usually record the church mix directly into my recorder and use that in conjunction with my lavs and camera shotgun audio. That time, he offered to save my hassle and give me the mixed audio file directly from his digital board and I happily accepted it (they don't usually record each track separately, and I don't want to remix everything neither). This is where the f-up happened: on the wedding day, they had real time translation audio being wireless transmitted to attendees who do not speak English using headsets. This real time translation track was not audible in the hall speakers, but it was audible in the final recorded file. So I got a professionally well mixed audio file with perfect levels, and overlay real time translation. Had to rely on my lav tracks for that wedding. Honestly I don't know how to prevent his from happening again except maybe record from the monitor out?
I think he must had sent you all the tracks via one of the omni outs. It's quite common mistake as it's just a touch of a button on the mixer to check all and send all. In the future, it 's good to check the channels that is sent out to you with the house engineer and remove those you don't need.
Question:How to record interview in noisy environment like on a road or in public place with lav mic
Which Mic is the best for recording sound effects?
Do you choose the type of microphone based on the type of voice and if so, what do you pay attention to?
which deity mic is the most popular with consumers?
What are some good third party plugins you guys use? like FabFIlter, Izotope Rx, Also how good are ERA plugins?
I went out videoing for a whole day with the mic switched off for everything. In the end, I used some shots of me and tried to overdub what I said by lip reading and speaking into a recorder.
Everyone noticed .......
How does a two frequency receiver work? Why can only some companies develop a single receiver/transmitter where as deity makes the awesome two frequency receiver?
What would be your recommendation about whete to hide microphones in a car scene (4 actors in the car) where there's a couple of microphones??? Thanks for the videos.
Check out our car episode from last year! ruclips.net/video/cD6f-YM5DFY/видео.html
Why do Hollywood sets usually use two (even more sometimes) boom mics as seen on some BTS footage/photos? What's the advantage of having multiple booms on set compared to having just one on smaller/lower budget productions?
What are Deity's plans for the future? I love my deity connect system and wonder what other crazy trinkets you're thinking up!
As a PR person myself, I can almost guarantee that the folks from Deity don't share this info. They will keep it under wraps until a tradeshow or their own announcement at a separate time. 🙊
Hey guys, what's the minimal amount of redundancy you need while on a project?
Can you revise this video using the BP-TRX recording Time code and transmitting?
We did ruclips.net/video/HrUcR1MGD-o/видео.html
I enjoyed this video like all your videos but the title "wedding audio mistakes" seems a little misleading as only a very small portion of this had to do with weddings haha. I might be stating the obvious here but was looking forward to seeing more in depth tips on weddings and not bigger sets. None the less, appreciate you taking the time to make this!
Hey. About a year ago we did a whole video dedicated to wedding audio.
ruclips.net/video/eQr2S5U-BVI/видео.html
Curtis Judd talks about both functions not working in the USA in his review here:
ruclips.net/video/0sLC0WrU4F4/видео.html so I have a question.
Question re the HD -TX and the transmit record functions, for those of us who live outside of the USA but buy gear online there and then have it shipped out to use internationally, will the HD-TX bought come for international use be able to do both records and transmits at the same time? Is there an international version that I can buy in the USA to be shipped out? Great overview from Diety and Andrew can be found here
ruclips.net/video/Ufp30PVe3Rw/видео.html
how can i get mic feed from the dj booth? instead i have the tascam DR-10X that I plug into the speaker but i just want the mic feed.
just the wireless mics from the DJ, not the music feed too right?
@@DeityMicrophones correct
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Once recorded a line input using the mic input and clipped all of the audio. Won't make that mistake again
Was the winner of the deity connect system from the last episode chosen yet?
Picking this next week - stay tuned!
#mailbag Sound reports paper or digital?
The Real Question is Where is my Uni-Mic?
4:46 sounds like the predator
Has you guys ever given a bride a receiver instead of a microphone lol
Let's just say, I'm glad we gave this question to Andrew!
-Steve
I have and did because the bride was very soft spoken and nearly mute when emotional. I gained up a bit on the bride presuming she'd be quiet and picked up her and her much louder military husband great.
Not first comment!
First comment and first view ❤
Misleading video.