Joan is my favourite actress ever and should have won additional Oscars for Humoresque and Sudden Fear. B uilt herself up from nothing, became a first rate actress and is the epitome of movie star.
Joan Crawford also had a reputation for either being almost a butch lesbian or as a man eater. I heard that she was the original choice instead of Deborah Kerr in From Here to Eternity. Can you imagine Joan Crawford making out with Burt Lancaster in that famous beach scene. Poor Burt. If I saw Joan Crawford coming at me like that in the film I would turn around and run for the hills; or I would have my dick scream "I want my mommy" and shrivel up inside me till it disappears. This would work for me also if his costar too was Bette Davis.
"...a balance between extreme vulnerability and extreme aggressiveness....a tidal wave of glamour and alcoholism. It's still one of the best on-screen suicides of all time..."
@@SWSimpson Agreed and right after that the was her best performance in Possessed. All of the movie historians agree and Crawford herself even said it was her most challenging role.
Christina “it was very frightening to live in that house at that time” now let’s fast forward... I will show up to every interview and collect every dime I can to talk bout it. Again!
@@donspringstead1649 Same here. Strange for an alleged abused child, who went so far as to eventually break contact with her mother when she was still alive, to suddenly milk every penny off "promoting" her image.
@@fliplinefungus at least Christina waited to write her book, unlike that damn B.D. Hyman who is Bette David's daughter. That's terrible. Bette never saw her again after the book came out.
His face with that look that reflected the suffering and madness towards her a different beauty and bright respect for the time. A bright woman lying on the floor by her "Tina".
RAHbert503 * I’m so glad to see that there are some kind people still, that understand and care about real people, and can see through the Old Hollywood Glamour bullshit, and know that there is a deeper story beyond the scripted dialogue, make-up and wardrobe of a Movie Star. The real story isn’t so Beautiful, it was in fact brutal and ugly. Thank you.
bette davis turned the part down, but you will find her in the movie. an the scene at the beach house, when joan is sitting on the floor in front of the fire, the love theme from now voyager is heard in the background. check it out.
Two stories I love about Hollywood's parochialism in World War Two. (1) When Gable came out of the service, he met Joan at a party and she said: 'Oh darling, you've been away so long I guess you feel right out of it. You probably don't even know that I moved from MGM to Warners.' (2) When WW2 broke out Joan's previous employer, Louis B Mayer, held an emergency conference. He told his minions that America had come through terrible ordeals before and would survive this one. 'And so let us drink a toast to our President- Nicholas Schenck.'
@@donogara8758 Absolutely agree! I can count on the fingers of one hand the great roles she was given at MGM with the most notable being that of "Julie" in "Strange Cargo".
Crawford once stated "Louis B. Mayer was a beautiful man" and Jack Warner was "a stinker." Many in Hollywood agreed with her. MGM put her in a lot of fluff, so she must have been relieved to escape Metro.
Joan Crawford was very talented but it’s crazy how essentially her 18 year career at MGM is mostly forgettable films unless you’re a mega fan like myself. Who really is watching “The Last of Mrs. Cheney” or “Laughing Sinners” or “When Ladies Meet” or “The Shining Hour” today? Only “rain”, “Sadie McKee” and “grand hotel” mainly…”the women” and “womens face” were also great but one was ensemble and the latter is on the periphery. Not mainstream…..Crawford really is remembered for her Warners roles. And then her 50s fame where she became almost a parody of herself with the severe eyebrows, lipstick and attitude that Bosley Crowther had accurately stated was as “forbidden as a pack of sealed razor blades”
She also might be making money from her very own experiences with Joan, is that not ok with you? I guess someone asked her to take part in this crappy little project. It’s not like she produced it.
Actually Christina didn't make much. What I find compelling is that she's dedicated to the Crawford legacy - both good and bad - which makes for rich insights.
At 26 seconds he says that in 1943 she buys up her contract at MGM. That is a total myth. LB Mayer gave her the boot from the studio because her films were not making any money and they really just wanted to get rid of her and all of her emotional and psychological baggage, child abuse events at home and all of her sleeping around with all of her leading men at the Studio. They just wanted her to get the heck out! She did not buy out her contract - LB Mayer made her pay the money back to the studio that she had borrowed against her films. She had to pay that back or face the consequences. MGM was through with her! Read, "The Man Who Seduced Hollywood ". The information is in there.
Joan is so tragic as a figure. I think she wanted someone to love her, and if she found a partner that could have babied her, she would have done so much better. It’s true that the love of a good man or woman can change people. She wanted love and she had such a tragic upbringing. And just found out not long ago her stepfather was inappropriate with her, but still she changed her name to his which was Billie until the studios had the fans vote on the name Joan Crawford. She was Billie Cassein. So that shows even though he betrayed her in the worst way, she was so desperate for a father that loved her she still tried to please him. Sometimes you wish you could help a person and give her the kind of man that would have loved her and given her the stability she craved.
Joan was good but Bette was the best. The last few movies Bette made at WBs,Deception,Winter Meeting and June Bride,I think Joan could have done them. Seemed like Joan was getting the somewhat better roles and Bette was getting the crap. After Beyond the Forest '49,Bette wanted out. She'd been there since 1932. Bettes last good movie at WBs was A stolen Life in '46.
Joan's career consumed her. She was a jealous woman who acted her whole life in movies and out. She always seemed unstable to me in both lol....I find it sad.
Joan was absolutely gorgeous during this period. She always was, but she was especially beautiful during this period!
I just saw Joan Crawford in the film," Johnny Guitar". She's simply brilliant!!
She really mistreated Mercedes
Miss Crawford was the most beautiful in "Humoresque". The close ups of her perfectly sculptured face are stunning!
I totally agree. She was never better as an actress as well, IMHO.
I respect this, but for me, Mildred Pierce (1945) is my favorite Crawford performance. She was photographed beautifully in that film.
Joan is my favourite actress ever and should have won additional Oscars for Humoresque and Sudden Fear. B
uilt herself up from nothing, became a first rate actress and is the epitome of movie star.
Joan Crawford had ambition, talent and beauty.
brave edy * You are also all over this comment section, get your anger issues and mental health problems taken care of, you are frightening.
Jeeze, that woman must have had the driving force of 4 people and the ability to learn FAST
Kirk Barkley ...and the ability to beat her kids till the cows came home.
@@daphnemaxwell149 yeah she's so cold hard and manish looking too.
Joan Crawford also had a reputation for either being almost a butch lesbian or as a man eater. I heard that she was the original choice instead of Deborah Kerr in From Here to Eternity. Can you imagine Joan Crawford making out with Burt Lancaster in that famous beach scene. Poor Burt. If I saw Joan Crawford coming at me like that in the film I would turn around and run for the hills; or I would have my dick scream "I want my mommy" and shrivel up inside me till it disappears. This would work for me also if his costar too was Bette Davis.
She reached a mature beauty peak in Humoresque. Some of her closeups are breathtaking.
She looked really dyckey in some of her later films.
She deserved another Oscar for humoursqe
I completely agree.
Or Sudden Fear. Or Possessed.
And sudden fear
Joan Crawford was my Nanas 3rd fave Actress. I felt like she was sitting right here with me experiencing this along with me.
This is my favorite comment. xox
This is GREAT! Thanks, Peter!💕
What an absolutely stunning looking woman.
A Hollywood true legend and greatest actress.❤
"...a balance between extreme vulnerability and extreme aggressiveness....a tidal wave of glamour and alcoholism. It's still one of the best on-screen suicides of all time..."
Parker930 * I’m in full agreement.
Humoresque? Yes, I agree. She might have been nominated for an Oscar for that one had she not won the year before for Mildred Pierce.
@@SWSimpson Agreed and right after that the was her best performance in Possessed. All of the movie historians agree and Crawford herself even said it was her most challenging role.
Christina “it was very frightening to live in that house at that time” now let’s fast forward... I will show up to every interview and collect every dime I can to talk bout it. Again!
Yeah that's what I thought too
@@donspringstead1649
Same here. Strange for an alleged abused child, who went so far as to eventually break contact with her mother when she was still alive, to suddenly milk every penny off "promoting" her image.
@@fliplinefungus I know. I do believe some of Christina's story tho. Alot is contraversial I know but....
@@fliplinefungus at least Christina waited to write her book, unlike that damn B.D. Hyman who is Bette David's daughter. That's terrible. Bette never saw her again after the book came out.
Ditto. She's sure in a lot of interviews and appearances with her famous mother.
This would have been a full and interesting featurette without Christina’s piece.
Absolutely!
Parker930 * I completely agree with you!
Nope, Joan Crawford was a hideous bitch. Christina speaks the truth. Good for her.
She will always be remember💚
She looked great in that bathing suit.
Someone should have done a song called " She's got Joan Crawford eyes "
It could be titled "She has Joan Crawford eyebrows" especially in today's age!
@@cheryldevine42 so true , those eyebrows there should have done something to soften it up it would make her features look softer
@@cheryldevine42 lol. I was about to say something similar!
That was Crawford at her Prime!
Life with joan crawford was a privelidge. Remember chris, you were adopted. Find comfort in that.
At the very least, Christina should have learned to pronounce 'NICHE'. It's supposed to rhyme with 'leash', not 'stitch'.
Bunny Biedenharn yes it does.
Steven Germadnik having children is a privilege.
twilliger123 yup. Even grown people testified that Joan was cruel to other adults AND to her children. Particularly Christina and Chris.
Ty
Beautiful thumbnail!
Is this from a larger documentary? I would like to see more.
His face with that look that reflected the suffering and madness towards her a different beauty and bright respect for the time. A bright woman lying on the floor by her "Tina".
Thank you Christina for continuing to speak truth to power!
@Parker930 Oh, just put her on ignore like I did. It'll make you feel a lot better. Life is too short to deal iwth people like that.
RAHbert503 * I’m so glad to see that there are some kind people still, that understand and care about real people, and can see through the Old Hollywood Glamour bullshit, and know that there is a deeper story beyond the scripted dialogue, make-up and wardrobe of a Movie Star. The real story isn’t so Beautiful, it was in fact brutal and ugly. Thank you.
Queen
bette davis turned the part down, but you will find her in the movie. an the scene at the beach house, when joan is sitting on the floor in front of the fire, the love theme from now voyager is heard in the background. check it out.
Two stories I love about Hollywood's parochialism in World War Two.
(1) When Gable came out of the service, he met Joan at a party and she said: 'Oh darling, you've been away so long I guess you feel right out of it. You probably don't even know that I moved from MGM to Warners.'
(2) When WW2 broke out Joan's previous employer, Louis B Mayer, held an emergency conference. He told his minions that America had come through terrible ordeals before and would survive this one. 'And so let us drink a toast to our President- Nicholas Schenck.'
LOL
I think losing her contract at MGM was the best thing that could have happened for her career...She made some of her best movies with Warner's!!
I love some of her MGM movies as well as the WB ones. Dancing Lady, The Women…
@@donogara8758 Absolutely agree! I can count on the fingers of one hand the great roles she was given at MGM with the most notable being that of "Julie" in "Strange Cargo".
Ann Blyth was surprisingly good, in view of her agreeable personality in real life.
I love Joan Crawford's Warner Brother movies she should have left him gym a long time ago I think
Christina, doing a screen test wasn't a shock to Joan, she volunteered to do it because she wanted to show how much she wanted the role. LIES
Roz Russell made ONE film at Warners during Joan's time there. Hardly competition for Joan.
OKHomoRose but Roz Russell was a brilliant powerhouse and about the same age, so that's why.
I stand by the comment by RB. Russell was on the WB actress roster along with others we didn't mention.
😲😃😄💜
Crawford once stated "Louis B. Mayer was a beautiful man" and Jack Warner was "a stinker." Many in Hollywood agreed with her. MGM put her in a lot of fluff, so she must have been relieved to escape Metro.
Joan Crawford was very talented but it’s crazy how essentially her 18 year career at MGM is mostly forgettable films unless you’re a mega fan like myself. Who really is watching “The Last of Mrs. Cheney” or “Laughing Sinners” or “When Ladies Meet” or “The Shining Hour” today? Only “rain”, “Sadie McKee” and “grand hotel” mainly…”the women” and “womens face” were also great but one was ensemble and the latter is on the periphery. Not mainstream…..Crawford really is remembered for her Warners roles. And then her 50s fame where she became almost a parody of herself with the severe eyebrows, lipstick and attitude that Bosley Crowther had accurately stated was as “forbidden as a pack of sealed razor blades”
Wow, the vitriol in some of these comments about Christina. Goodness, queens!
She didn't HAVE to do a screen test, she offered to do it! Christina's memory is a bit sketchy!
Why do they always include Christina? We get it.. But she spent her while adult life making money off trashing Crawford body of work.. Enough already.
Umm, this was 21 years ago hon.
Ok Christina! Either "Art truly imitates life" based on this documentary, or you're still making $$$ off of your mother's name.
Marie Antoinette's Cake so what if she is?
@@miriamhavard7621 "So what if she is??" 😆😆😂😂
She also might be making money from her very own experiences with Joan, is that not ok with you? I guess someone asked her to take part in this crappy little project. It’s not like she produced it.
Actually Christina didn't make much. What I find compelling is that she's dedicated to the Crawford legacy - both good and bad - which makes for rich insights.
@@p.t.d.505 Oh really? And what projects have you created?
The older she became the more ger face became VERY masculine.
Christina wouldn't be known if it weren't for ... Joan.
I just don’t believe Cristina Crawford. Mommie Dearest was a wonderfully campy film but fiction no doubt.
I believe CC was telling the truth..
Warren Peace me too.
I see. And were you there in that house?
John Lorenzen ...Why yes John....I was. Idiot.
@@roystonmason9125
Thanks for taking the time to comment. Now sit down and STFU.
At 26 seconds he says that in 1943 she buys up her contract at MGM. That is a total myth. LB Mayer gave her the boot from the studio because her films were not making any money and they really just wanted to get rid of her and all of her emotional and psychological baggage, child abuse events at home and all of her sleeping around with all of her leading men at the Studio. They just wanted her to get the heck out! She did not buy out her contract - LB Mayer made her pay the money back to the studio that she had borrowed against her films. She had to pay that back or face the consequences. MGM was through with her! Read, "The Man Who Seduced Hollywood ". The information is in there.
why Christina is here? and talking about her mother? didn't she destroyed her mother reputation forever to a book now she use her to get a screen time
Because Christina is an expert on the subject of her mother. Get with it.
@@PeterFitzgeraldShe wishes.
i know she tortured her older kids but i still love her.
The book, and the movie is full of lies.
Having to audition for the role. Do you know how shameful that was? Hollywood Royalty. Box-office poison. Tina, bring me the axe!
0:32 So Joan secretely had a biological daughter...
Crawford and Davis at the same studio?! A disaster in the making. You know that Davis must have resented this intrusion of Crawford into her turf!!!
She was an incredible actress though. Totally toxic real life personality.. mental illness and alcoholism.
Joan is so tragic as a figure. I think she wanted someone to love her, and if she found a partner that could have babied her, she would have done so much better. It’s true that the love of a good man or woman can change people. She wanted love and she had such a tragic upbringing. And just found out not long ago her stepfather was inappropriate with her, but still she changed her name to his which was Billie until the studios had the fans vote on the name Joan Crawford. She was Billie Cassein. So that shows even though he betrayed her in the worst way, she was so desperate for a father that loved her she still tried to please him. Sometimes you wish you could help a person and give her the kind of man that would have loved her and given her the stability she craved.
sad that christina had to suffer this aged egotist
Joan was good but Bette was the best. The last few movies Bette made at WBs,Deception,Winter Meeting and June Bride,I think Joan could have done them. Seemed like Joan was getting the somewhat better roles and Bette was getting the crap. After Beyond the Forest '49,Bette wanted out. She'd been there since 1932. Bettes last good movie at WBs was A stolen Life in '46.
CatMan l honestly feel like it was apples vs. oranges. Each one brought something special and unique
No honest assessment of Joan’s film career should include Christina in the commentary.
CRISTINA!!!!!!! Get me the AXE!!!!!!
Christina is a liar. Wish she wasn't in this.
Joan had too much in her life and didn't know how to handle life. Sad woman
Joan's career consumed her. She was a jealous woman who acted her whole life in movies and out. She always seemed unstable to me in both lol....I find it sad.
Agreed!!!