Marie Antoinette: Everything Depends On The Wife (HD CLIP)
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Marie Antoinette: Everything Depends On The Wife
What’s happening in this Marie Antoinette movie clip?
Marie-Antoinette (Kirsten Dunst) is reading a letter from her mother, Maria Theresa (Marianne Faithfull). She tells her that everything is going great for her siblings. For example, her sister is pregnant, unlike Marie-Antoinette. Maria Theresa insists on the fact that Marie-Antoinette must use her charm to seduce her husband and conceive a child.
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What’s the Marie Antoinette movie about?
Marie-Antoinette (Kirsten Dunst) is the beautiful, charming, but naïve youngest daughter of Austria's empress Maria Theresa (Marianne Faithfull). She is selected by her mother to marry her second cousin, the Dauphin of France, Louis XVI, and seal an alliance between the two rival countries. However, their marriage will not go as planned, since Louis XVI doesn’t want to have intercourse with Marie-Antoinette. Thus, she can’t get pregnant, which is a problem. She finds solace in buying lavish gowns and shoes, eating elaborate cakes and pastries, and gambling with her lady friends at cards.
The movie narrates her story as Queen of France, as well as her downfall.
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I can just see the pain she's in emotionally and psychologically. She was hated enough just for being Austrian and regrettably she became the person that everyone LOVED to hate. Marie also blew chances to build allies among the courtiers and public during decisive moments of her reign. She has all the luxuries that can be provided, but it is clear that she is on the verge of a complete breakdown.
Right, and you have to take into account that she was only a teenager when she first got married
For ME this would be a hideous life
Male mismanagement of France killed Marie A. The people were starving because of the MEN who wasted money. Her husband was a buffoon. None of this was her fault.
Luckily she was outdone by another Austrian
Yeah it’s very sad . She was only a teenager , I was in Versailles a few weeks ago and she had a whole town to escape the ppl and secret doors 🚪
I remember a costume analysis of this scene about how the pattern and color of her dress blends in with the wall behind her, suggesting her getting lost into Versailles itself with despair.
I still wonder if the bow choker and bracelet ribbons are a symbol of a shackle and a chain in a way, representing more that she is “imprisoned” in her situation and Versailles
What people don't understand is these are sentences almost word for word from her mother's letters to her.
"remember, nothing is certain about your place there until an heir is produced"
Meanwhile in the tudors: son or execution
You nailed it
Maria Theresa didn't care, as her line was famous for nearly all her children making it to adulthood. Her genes were legendary.
I love the first scene of this clip, and how she looks straight to the camera at the end. Beautiful film.
Marie took all the blame for a straight decade. Even after she got pregnant, the French court would just not let up on her. Nothing she could do was ever good enough for them. Marie was irresponsible in some ways, but the French populace was always unstable and mercurial and the French court was likely worse.
She is the scapegoat, at such young age being force to become the queen. I wished she had a better fate
Some historians suggest that Louis suffered from a genital disease which made intercourse very painful. Once this was corrected (7 years into the marrige) they started having children
It was called Phimosis of the foreskin.
That's actually just fact, I believe.
Imagine she took the blame for entire 7 years….
@lita gao well tbf there was a load of rumours about Louis impotency and lack of mistress
@@Gao960 That was the worst part, the complete lack of compassion for a newly arrived bride and no one would let up on her. Or at least TRY to find out the truth and make sure the operation was performed forthwith. Huge failure and Marie took all the blame for a straight decade. Even after she got pregnant, the French court would just not let up on her. Nothing she could do was ever good enough for them. Marie was irresponsible in some ways, but the French populace was always unstable and mercurial and the French court was likely worse.
He waited for Marie to get up so he could hold her hand. The cutest ever. I just wonder if he was like that in real life.
Louis was a bit of a sweetheart. Though he spent more time woodworking and gifting her his works, lol
yes he eventually loved Marie and she too loved him, although she still has other lover
I think so. From what I read, he seemed to like her early on, but he was really nervous around her. I'd liken it to how a modern-day teenage boy might act around a beautiful, confident and popular girl if he liked her but wasn't sure what to say. (After all, they were both teens when they got married.) Later on (according to historians), after they had their first baby, Louis Auguste told Marie Antoinette that he loved her. I find that very cute. :)
@@bunbacheso he distrust her because she was austrian
@@angelabby2379 you think so, really? I didn't think he cared so much about that. I thought it was more other people who were upset.
Marie Antoinette’s situation very much aligns with teenage girls in Pakistan today who are blamed for having daughters instead of sons when it’s really the husband’s sperm that determines the gender of the baby
What's wrong with having daughters? Women are biologically more important than men, anyone. Since one man can impregnate 1000 women in a month, but it takes 9 months for the woman to produce one baby.
So having daughters is better than having sons.
@@Ariana-wv4pf I doubt there's many men who can... "produce" enough "ahem" to do "that" 33 times a day. You do make a valid point but your conclusion, if it were to become taken as seriously by Pakistani society as the opposite is currently, would be equally harmful. Neither ought to be seen as better or worse
The minute she set foot in France she was not prepared for all the hate. Even her own mother and brother wouldn't let up on her. Her brother helped out and pushed Louis to effectively do his duty, but I sometimes wonder how different it would have been if Antoinette had been able to get out of France. I know myself well enough that even if there had been disgrace, I would have quietly tried to get an annulment and live quietly in the countryside. Marie had literally no one and nothing. She had no one to turn to and the few friends she had, they had no power. The Princess de Lambelle was a great friend, but it is clear that she was unable to really truly help. I wish she had managed to make it out of France, but she had missteps even then. If only she had gone to Metz! I sometimes wonder how much difference that would have made. She would have been able to get to safety and from there, get on to Switzerland or somewhere. Get to anywhere but stay in France. I know how she feels, I have been in places where I do and say all the wrong things.
People forget they were 14 and 15 at marriage and well had no real idea as what to do in the bedroom. This has been proven through letters from that time. The phimosis theory as the cause of no children has been disproven as at the time it was “reported” he had the surgery his records show he was out and about hunting, riding and doing all manner of activities that would not have been possible had he had a Circumcision at that time. It’s also recorded that he had refused the surgery as it was considered risky for adults and could do more harm than good. Basically they were young, inexperienced, had only met two days before the wedding and pretty much just fumbling as what to do and how to do it. They were sheltered children thrown together and expected to be intimate
"Everything depends on the wife" ...Yeah nooo your majesty, that's not quite as realistic as you may believe.
Ok so Maria Antonia of Austria, later Marie Antionette Queen Consort of France was the YOUNGEST child (of 16, 11 girls and 5 boys) of Empress Maria Theresa. Maria Carolina (the one that lived to adulthood, Maria Theresa actually had 3 daughters named Maria Carolina, two of which died young), who was three years older than her sister and got married two years before her, had her first child after 4 years of marriage in June of 1872 when she and her husband were 19 and when Marie Antoinette had only been married for 2 years and was only 16. Beatrice is Maria Beatrice, the wife of Maria Antoinette's brother Ferdinand Karl. they married in October of 1771 when she was 21 and he was 17. So this is probably late 1771/early 1772, around the time of Marie's second anniversary in February of 1772 when she was 16 and Louis was 17, not sure there was much reason to panic at this stage as the marriage was "initially amiable but distant." The real issue was the public hated the idea of an Austrian Queen of France, so an early child might have turned opinions around rather then "why wasn't she pregnant yet" as considering their ages and that they were strangers, gaps were actually COMMON at the time!
I was hoping you upload the scene were she crying because she yet to consummate her marriage
You can literally be royalty & rule a country and your parents disapproval or disappointment can STILL absolutely decimate you...poor Marie, all this pressure on her. 😢 They became husband and wife in their mid-teens; they weren't exactly ready for any of this and on top of everything else, they were not taught how to run a country! The majority of France's financial issues were because they helped the US during the revolution, out of an almost reflexive instinct of sticking it to the British. But she got ALL the blame, or at least the lion's share.
Poor thing 😞 she was misunderstood and misrepresented and should never have been subjected to any of the horrors that she was 😞
Would've thought these problems would be dissolved in the modern age but sadly this is what Diana, Princess of Wales was feeling when she was first married into the British Monarchy
So what we’ve all heard that story a million times in the modern era and regular people are in much worse situations every single day.
Pls. There is no comparison 😂
If I had 27 year old Kirsten Dunst looking up at me, I'd have no problem producing a dozen heirs
she was 24 during filming
The other Brother seemed like he had the perfect relationship with his wife...that would make everything much harder for marie Antoinette.
in real life Comtess provence never had child, comtess artois is the one with child. they are sister married to Louis's 2 younger brother. the 3 young couple like to go out together until they become King and Queen and their relationship began to sour.
@@angelabby2379 thats very informative.. thankyou..they must have emohadised the happy and perfect relationship for the film then.
I always used to wonder since Louis seemed really insecure in the bedroom why Marie just didn’t try being on top🤷🏼♀️ But I guess that was unheard of or something.
He wasn't insecure in bed, he had a medical issue that made sex very painful for him. Even getting an errection hurt him I believe. That's why they never had sex at the beginning of their marriage etc. His medical issue was finally fixed but only after 7 years of marriage to Marie. Then they could finally have sex normally and that's when they finally started having children. Even though having children didn't save her like she thought it would. Marie also took the blame for their lack of passion and children. Even though everyone knew that Louis was impotent and lacked a mistress proving it wasn't Marie's fault but she took the blame anyway as has been a woman's place for most of history sadly to take the blame whether they deserve it or not. I really wish she had been able to make it out of France with her kids. But sadly it wasn't meant to be.
If it was lack of confidence though, you are correct in your assumption that Marie getting on top wouldn't have been allowed, back then. Lol 😂
@@nicolehegarty4749 Ah I see!
it was scandolous back then for a women to be on top it was seen as a pervesion of the "natural" gender roles that obviously God imposed on us and not human being who make crap up
@@carolinpurayidom4570 ahaaa well yes It was around the 1600’s -ish so makes sense. I thought maybe for the sake of their situation they would be willing to make an exception. As pure logic existed at that time too most probably in that pompous palace.
all I could say is, this is fucked up. she doesn't deserve this fate 😒
Poor antoinette, Seen this movie long time ago
I love her outfit in this scene. That is a lot of pressure on Marie Antoinette, I mean Louis had no interest in doing it with her. Her mother is god awful, this reminds me of my mom. "I can't tell you how well your brothers and sisters are doing in THEIR marriages" They could be lying to you bro. Way to give her a complex.
I am angry at how Marie Theresa never lets up on Marie; Marie had no control and her dolt Type-A mother would not accept that Marie couldn't control how Louis was treating her. It's not fair that Marie couldn't catch a single break and how Marie was constantly battered emotionally and psychologically by a mother who would NOT face the cold hard fact that the French monarchy was a mess and Versailles was a snake pit. Marie was not equipped to deal with it and Maria Theresa was stupid to put her daughter in that mess. If MT had tried to show love and affection and support to Marie and tried to empower her daughter instead of beating her down, it would have been different.
Maria Theresa was the ruler of Austria - hardly a 'dolt'. She was an intelligent, shrewd, powerful woman who, incidentally, named all of her daughters Maria. Marie Antoinette's real name was Maria Antonia. It was 'Frenchified' when she became French royalty.
Well yeah, but Maria Theresa was very different person. she as mother was not equipped to support her as her life journey was nothing like Antoinette’s. She was the queen of Austria and her husband was just husband. But he was industrious and supporting .shrewd business mind and she loved him very much. Maria Theresa got to the throne when there was a war at every border and at the beginning of her reign she was criticised that there was no time for pleasantries at her court. It was literally austere. Courtiers we’re leaving the court because it
was boring. She eventually learned to entertain but she was no party animal.
Her and Marie Antoinette’s journey have literally nothing in common. Marie Antoinette was to be queen in a foreign country, married to dull incompetent king. In a court which revolved around entertainment. Her power was not to be straightforward as her mother’s. Her motherhood was not as straightforward as her mother’s. Her court life was not as straightforward as her mother’s. Her marriage was not as straightforward as her mother’s .Maria Theresa had tough life but she was had power in the country and in her marriage. Antoinette had neither. And she was just one of the children married off to secure peace for Austria and be at court that was nothing like her home. And Maria Theresa was advising to a daughter in every European country. Too many queens for one mother I would say. I think a powerful woman in a happy marriage with way too many children can hardly understand Marie Antoinettes position with compassion.
Beautiful costume
I wonder how the Empress would’ve reacted had she learned that she had helped set Antoinette up to fail by not preparing her for marriage much earlier (Antoinette only married Louis because an outbreak of smallpox killed at least one of her older sisters, leading to everyone getting shuffled around on the marriage market) and then emotionally abusing her for her husband’s failure to get her pregnant.
As if she wasn't trying all of that already!
This is still happening in some societies...
Dustin O'Halloran - Opus 23
Rouge was worn in a triangle on the cheeks sometimes in shades so dark as to be almost black. I guess that’d look too freakish for us nowadays
Always hated Maria Theresa as a mother. She was okay as a ruler but a terrible mother.
I'm literally her fr
That baby was clearly a few weeks old lol
that kid is at least 2 months old
I would have loved to help her be a queen & get through this.
I wouldn't be surprise the King was asexual. Even asexuals have sex if their beloved companions are interested in it.
He had a medical issue that made sex very painful for him. It was finally fixed after 7 years of marriage to Marie. Then they finally started having children.
when you realize you 're just a piece of the regal european chest...
Nothing else !
Comtesse de Provence has never been prégnant. It was the comtesse d'Artois
This whole situation could have been avoided if she had just found a willing stable boy or palace gardener and produced a child.
She would have been caught and then publicly executed for high treason. The French court was always watching her and always ready to point out her faults.
You'd think so, but in those days she would have been as likely to get a venereal disease and die as become pregnant. She became betrothed to Louis only because all of her older sisters had gotten smallpox and thus couldn't bear children.
Cuckolding your husband let alone the king is very disgusting not to mention incredibly risky and treasonous.
Pretty sure no man would take her up on her offer..
Considering how young she was, its possible she didn't know that much about sex either. Plus considering gossip was notorious in the court, she might've been afraid to do something like that
I hate historically inaccurate this is
Wasn't she homesick? She was just a girl.. 😮😢
While I'm not asserting that King Louis XVI had such preferences, one might speculate that, given historical contexts, some homosexual men of that era concealed their orientation through marriage and fatherhood. Despite lacking evidence, the pressure on a king to produce an heir might lead to various strategies, even if physical difficulties were rumored. In contrast to other kings who had mistresses, Louis XVI seemed uninvolved, suggesting that, if there were hidden truths, his situation could mirror that of a closeted individual.
And in perfidious albion, aka united kingdom still applies
55 🤐🌅🧱
In real life, these two never had children
They did.
They had a daughter and two sons.
@@cinna_sultan Not the Comte and Comtesse de Provence, they didn't have any children. The Comte and Comtesse d'Artois, on the other hand, had four children, two of which survived until adulthood. I suspect they actually meant the Comtesse d'Artois, as her eldest son was given the title of Duc d'Angoulême
@@adrianmathers523
Oh.
That makes more sense, especially since Comtesse de Provence was lesbian.
Yeah, I thought it was an odd change for them to do that. Seems like it would have been easier to say the comtesse d’Artois is giving birth if her child is the one they mentioned being born. Weird change.
@@cinna_sultan Sexuality never stopped many royals from having children.
god as awkward as that 'love scene' was i thought it depicted their situation very well.