This movie got some bad reviews at the time of release, with people getting bent out of shape about the modern references. For me - all those touches hit home how young and immature these people actually were. The music and modern sensibility of their behavior, speech and conversations really made that click. It's an underrated movie.
Still there are many things that are accurate like the ships in the nearby lake trying to cannon down each other for their amusement or Marie Antoinette’s gambling
Sofia Coppola’s a genius for putting a teenager-y soundtrack in a period drama film of a teenage queen, it’s a nice twist and makes the audience more aware of how sheltered, blissfully naive, impressionable, and happy-go-lucky Marie Antoinette was, just like how a lot of privileged teenagers are today.
@@aaronalejandro6480 As the discussion started with music as the central focus, "romanticism" is not the correct word for your statement. In terms of music the word "romanticism" is specific, not general. The first of the "Romantic" musical composers was/is Beethoven. And Beethoven, who was born in the 18th century, is known as an early 19th century composer. The "Romantic" era for literature began in the late 18th century; the era as music, in the first decade of the 19th. Some music historian could just chime in with a correction concerning exact years. This is the accepted way to discuss "Romanticism" in terms of music. Except for Beethoven, the Romantic composers all started their careers after the close of the French Revolution. Marie Antionette died (was executed) prior to the start of the "Romantic" era for music. This film shows 18th century dress and manners as extremely constrictive and formal. Musical composition for this time period was aligned with manners, traditions, and formalities. It was only in the time of the final phase of the French Revolution, that the "Romantic" composers started to present work which was highly emotional and innovative. Marie Antionette never heard any of this, while she was here on Earth. For Marie Antionette, music and dance was as bound by tradition and manners, as the clothing. I understand your point, if you are saying that film directors should make their own choices, without the restrictions of "historical accuracy". With reference to your comment, however, I won't let that use of the word "romanticism" slide. In terms of the history of music, the meaning of "Romanticism" is specific. Thank you.
@@ceceliaclarke264 I read your answer with the voice of Miranda Prestley in the "stuff" scene. What you say is completely true, English is not my native language and the translation was incorrect.
@@ceceliaclarke264 The music in this scene is not romantic music, nor classic or baroque. He meant by "romanticism " that the music from The Cure, which is an 80's band, is here to embellish, to idealize, so to romanticize the Marie Antoinette fantasy from our modern imaginary. So you also lack of a vocabulary precison in a way.
for some reason this scene with this particular song playing has really stuck with me. It's the happiest she ever is, and yet the song makes me so sad for some reason. You're not there with them, you're on the other end of history, knowing they're all on the way to ruin and tragedy.
The reason it makes you sad is probably due to a Pavlovian effect. When the (I'm going to use the general term here since I'm not familiar with this) East Asian performers come in, there's a particular noise overlayed in the track. This happens before things that are "wrong" happens throughout the movie. (Affair with Count Ferson and the estate getting broken into by the mob later on in the film.) On rewatches, this affect will grow stronger, and even the song removed from the movie might start triggering that feeling of everything coming to a head.
I love her hair stylist keep her hair safe, preventing her from leaning back too far and setting herself on fire. Which he as the stylist would be aware of what the dangers would be
Especially when he subtly blew out the candles after she laughed it off. It gives off the same energy as the part where the servants clean the eggs before she collects them. She doesn’t have a clear view of reality because people protected her from it. Until they couldn’t.
It took me three viewings to finally notice the sneakers. It was a truly important movie to depict the youth and immaturity of the court and especially Louis and Antionette. And the way Coppola depicted the way they found their own romance was intriguing.
@@adaharrisonnThere’s a scene where Marie Antoinette and friends go shopping for clothes and shoes. In the pile of high heels and dresses, you can see a pair of light blue sneakers snuck into the frame
When I was younger, I didn't appreciate this movie, I actually hated it I thought it was trying to be "edgy" and felt it was pretentious. But it was only cause I didn't understand it like I do now watching as an adult, the creative decisions the director made, made a whole lot of sense. It was a way to connect this particular time in history to the modern age. It was to convey how young and naïve Marie was, and how she was oblivious to what was going on around outside the palace, like most teenagers and young people nowadays. Younger folk, especially the ones who live in first world countries tend to be naïve towards the living conditions in poorer communities. Marie and the King were no different. People generally have good intentions, like Marie, she did a lot of charitable things if you dig deep into her history. She was just naïve, sheltered, and too young to govern, she was taught a lifestyle I feel like she felt she needed to adapt to, to be accepted by the French court.
People who say that it was a bad soundtrack, only exposes the bad taste it has. How u even dare to say that The Cure, Joy Division/New Order, Siouxsie And The Banshees or Aphex Twin are even bad? It may look a bit strange but in the title of the movie it highlights "Marie Antoinette the TEENAGE Queen" There's even a scene where a pair of Converse are with the rest of the shoes. It wasn't a mistake, doesn't seek to be historically accurate and the actual music thing it's just to prove the point that she was just like a regular teenager but with power, a power that she never chose.
The recent dislike on this movie is odd. I thought everyone knew it by now that this movie is not supposed to be historically accurate? Hell, there is even a scene in this movie where Marie has a party in her room, trying on shoes. And the scene briefly shows a pair of converse shoes in the pile. Apparently, I heard this was done to remind the audience that Marie Antoinette, was still a teenager back then. I honestly feel like having these historical figures act like the way we do in these modern times, makes us relate or feel for the characters more. Maybe what they acted like back then was completely different to us. But I think this movie tries to paint said feeling, in a way we could relate.
I think that Sofia tried to bring Marie Antoinette story to this century and capture young people, it's very hard to be exact in the time's protocol, the public would never understand the nuances, it's another kind of value and thought. I think the film is brilliant yet completely unreal.
I was amazed Marie Antoinette eventually got along so well with her husband and the king loosen up to his wife. Too bad it will all fall crumbling down in a few short years with both losing not only their fortunes but also their heads.
Glad to see this movie getting more appreciation with time. I enjoyed it when it was released. A bit ahead of its time so people didn't get it. Now, Bridgerton is a thing.
I love this movie! I love Marie Antoinette's hair style! (highlighting their wigs). Besides that I like the soundtrack a little. And I need more videos of Marie Antoniette!!! (xd)
Crazy how Duchess De Polignac had the least worst death out of all them here even tho she was the most rebellious and free spirited of Marie Antoinette’s trio, the princess de lamballe got stabbed multiple times and then beheaded despite being the reserved one in the group while the Duchess de Polignac just got sick and died of sadness in her bed.
While the Nobles of Versailles were partying daily like it was 1999, 90% of France was on the brink of starvation and couldn't even afford to make ends meet due to heavy taxes and increased bread prices.
Birthdays in a way were celebrated during this time. In Germany around this time kids birthday parties were called kinderfeste. Like today, candles would be put on cakes.
Yeah but it has been the same everywhere and eveytime. Find me one modern country where rich people are not rolling in money and poor people starving? Even in modern days its the same. People should stop pointing at marie antoinette. She was a good mother and did what she was able to. Nobody told her that empathy for her people was a thing.
With enough suspension of disbelief you can see that it’s trying to emulate modern Rom coms where Theres a montage cut of the protagonist enjoying life in between the drama as a bit of a breather. In the historical context, it’s to show that the royals are a bunch of drunk gossips that like to party
I heard something about a Knight's tail and they explained why they used modern music in it. I think the same applies to this. They said they used music to give us the same feel as their music did back then. You would not get the same feeling hearing a song from that period to hype up a crowd as you would hearing we will rock you. It's not saying that is the music that would be playing. It is communicating music with that type of energy that would be playing.
"Horrible soundtrack"? In what universe are The Cure, New Order, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Aphex Twin, Gang of Four, Bow Wow Wow, considered "horrible"?
@@examichelle None of which will be known of 300 years from now, nor will their "music" be played, unlike Bach, Mozart, Handel, Beethoven or Vivaldi, etc. who actually wrote and performed at the time depicted in the film. A distinctly period piece should have distinctly period music. Again though, the visuals were nice and the acting was poor.
@@jackhowland3737 Oh and by the way, Vivaldi, Bach and Handel were long dead by the time Marie Antoinette became queen of France, so they weren't writing nor performing at that time.
This movie got some bad reviews at the time of release, with people getting bent out of shape about the modern references. For me - all those touches hit home how young and immature these people actually were. The music and modern sensibility of their behavior, speech and conversations really made that click. It's an underrated movie.
Still there are many things that are accurate like the ships in the nearby lake trying to cannon down each other for their amusement or Marie Antoinette’s gambling
they didn't get it. this movie is one of a kind, and feels very sophia copolla. it is a triumph
this movie walked so bridgetown/dickinson/the great could run. sofia is mother to all of these b*tches
My comfort movie ever since 2013 tbh
i think, this movie is pretty well done.
Sofia Coppola’s a genius for putting a teenager-y soundtrack in a period drama film of a teenage queen, it’s a nice twist and makes the audience more aware of how sheltered, blissfully naive, impressionable, and happy-go-lucky Marie Antoinette was, just like how a lot of privileged teenagers are today.
Amazing soundtrack, this movie does not pretend to be an accurate historical representation, this is all about the romanticism.
"Romanticism" happened in the 19th century.
@@ceceliaclarke264 That’s what I meant when I said not accurate historical lol
@@aaronalejandro6480 As the discussion started with music as the central focus, "romanticism" is not the correct word for your statement. In terms of music the word "romanticism" is specific, not general. The first of the "Romantic" musical composers was/is Beethoven. And Beethoven, who was born in the 18th century, is known as an early 19th century composer. The "Romantic" era for literature began in the late 18th century; the era as music, in the first decade of the 19th. Some music historian could just chime in with a correction concerning exact years. This is the accepted way to discuss "Romanticism" in terms of music. Except for Beethoven, the Romantic composers all started their careers after the close of the French Revolution. Marie Antionette died (was executed) prior to the start of the "Romantic" era for music.
This film shows 18th century dress and manners as extremely constrictive and formal. Musical composition for this time period was aligned with manners, traditions, and formalities. It was only in the time of the final phase of the French Revolution, that the "Romantic" composers started to present work which was highly emotional and innovative. Marie Antionette never heard any of this, while she was here on Earth. For Marie Antionette, music and dance was as bound by tradition and manners, as the clothing.
I understand your point, if you are saying that film directors should make their own choices, without the restrictions of "historical accuracy". With reference to your comment, however, I won't let that use of the word "romanticism" slide. In terms of the history of music, the meaning of "Romanticism" is specific. Thank you.
@@ceceliaclarke264 I read your answer with the voice of Miranda Prestley in the "stuff" scene. What you say is completely true, English is not my native language and the translation was incorrect.
@@ceceliaclarke264 The music in this scene is not romantic music, nor classic or baroque. He meant by "romanticism " that the music from The Cure, which is an 80's band, is here to embellish, to idealize, so to romanticize the Marie Antoinette fantasy from our modern imaginary. So you also lack of a vocabulary precison in a way.
for some reason this scene with this particular song playing has really stuck with me. It's the happiest she ever is, and yet the song makes me so sad for some reason. You're not there with them, you're on the other end of history, knowing they're all on the way to ruin and tragedy.
The reason it makes you sad is probably due to a Pavlovian effect. When the (I'm going to use the general term here since I'm not familiar with this) East Asian performers come in, there's a particular noise overlayed in the track. This happens before things that are "wrong" happens throughout the movie. (Affair with Count Ferson and the estate getting broken into by the mob later on in the film.) On rewatches, this affect will grow stronger, and even the song removed from the movie might start triggering that feeling of everything coming to a head.
@@persephonehades7547 Oh my god I had no idea, that's so cool!
2:59 "Have you ever watched the sun rise?"
Great nod to the ending.
I love her hair stylist keep her hair safe, preventing her from leaning back too far and setting herself on fire. Which he as the stylist would be aware of what the dangers would be
Especially when he subtly blew out the candles after she laughed it off. It gives off the same energy as the part where the servants clean the eggs before she collects them. She doesn’t have a clear view of reality because people protected her from it. Until they couldn’t.
Marie-Antoinette wore wigs piled 3 feet high!
"Try not to loose all our fortune." 🤣 ...Well Louis, not that night!
It took me three viewings to finally notice the sneakers. It was a truly important movie to depict the youth and immaturity of the court and especially Louis and Antionette. And the way Coppola depicted the way they found their own romance was intriguing.
sneakers?
@@adaharrisonnThere’s a scene where Marie Antoinette and friends go shopping for clothes and shoes. In the pile of high heels and dresses, you can see a pair of light blue sneakers snuck into the frame
Yes! Louis and Marie-Antoinette were so young when they were married and still very young when they became king and queen.
I love this Marie-Antoinette version so much the soundtrack, the screenplay, and every interactions. Superb. And also the Oscar winning best costume!
When I was younger, I didn't appreciate this movie, I actually hated it I thought it was trying to be "edgy" and felt it was pretentious. But it was only cause I didn't understand it like I do now watching as an adult, the creative decisions the director made, made a whole lot of sense. It was a way to connect this particular time in history to the modern age. It was to convey how young and naïve Marie was, and how she was oblivious to what was going on around outside the palace, like most teenagers and young people nowadays. Younger folk, especially the ones who live in first world countries tend to be naïve towards the living conditions in poorer communities. Marie and the King were no different. People generally have good intentions, like Marie, she did a lot of charitable things if you dig deep into her history. She was just naïve, sheltered, and too young to govern, she was taught a lifestyle I feel like she felt she needed to adapt to, to be accepted by the French court.
2:33 "Are you winning, wife?"
This movie crawled, so bridgerton could fly. Ugh, it deserves so much more love.
bridgerton is nonsense compared to this
woketon sucks
Oh my gosh! Such a wrong take. Bridgestone is an unwatchable mess. This is quite wonderful.
Hands down the coolest birthday party ever
People who say that it was a bad soundtrack, only exposes the bad taste it has. How u even dare to say that The Cure, Joy Division/New Order, Siouxsie And The Banshees or Aphex Twin are even bad? It may look a bit strange but in the title of the movie it highlights "Marie Antoinette the TEENAGE Queen" There's even a scene where a pair of Converse are with the rest of the shoes. It wasn't a mistake, doesn't seek to be historically accurate and the actual music thing it's just to prove the point that she was just like a regular teenager but with power, a power that she never chose.
No one invites me to parties like this.
That's OK. All the people at the party would end up with their heads in a bucket.
@@crixxxxxxxxx Still worth it
18 years old and queen of France in the revolution sheesh.
I think she was in her mid to late thirties during the revolution. Still young, though.
@@suwaidajalal it was just a bad time to be in power all round. add to the fact she was barely a adult
The recent dislike on this movie is odd. I thought everyone knew it by now that this movie is not supposed to be historically accurate?
Hell, there is even a scene in this movie where Marie has a party in her room, trying on shoes. And the scene briefly shows a pair of converse shoes in the pile. Apparently, I heard this was done to remind the audience that Marie Antoinette, was still a teenager back then.
I honestly feel like having these historical figures act like the way we do in these modern times, makes us relate or feel for the characters more. Maybe what they acted like back then was completely different to us. But I think this movie tries to paint said feeling, in a way we could relate.
Its all the youtubers who pretend they know what the hell theyre talking about making their rabid idiotic fans think they're also experts
Aaaaa its not accurate at all lol its accurate as sleeping beauty is accurate to legit german version
@@gintasasd The German version you talk about isn't even the original 💀
@@keetard ☠💀 and? Gonna cry about it?
@@gintasasdEw. A man.
I think that Sofia tried to bring Marie Antoinette story to this century and capture young people, it's very hard to be exact in the time's protocol, the public would never understand the nuances, it's another kind of value and thought. I think the film is brilliant yet completely unreal.
I was amazed Marie Antoinette eventually got along so well with her husband and the king loosen up to his wife. Too bad it will all fall crumbling down in a few short years with both losing not only their fortunes but also their heads.
Thanks to a diamond necklace that was super expensive.
Mean Girls reference? His hair is full of secrets!
Love the soundtrack
Glad to see this movie getting more appreciation with time. I enjoyed it when it was released. A bit ahead of its time so people didn't get it. Now, Bridgerton is a thing.
Happy Birthday to Her Majesty.
I say we bring back the fashion of the 1700's ❤
This movie got too much hate--/ this is seriously a gem and masterpiece
I love this movie! I love Marie Antoinette's hair style! (highlighting their wigs). Besides that I like the soundtrack a little. And I need more videos of Marie Antoniette!!! (xd)
Every year since seeing this movie, I play this track ("Ceremony" by New Order) on my birthday 🥰🎂
2:16 i've just noticed that's a Mean Girls reference, his hair is full of secrets!
I always loved this movie because I have taste and see beyond.
Happy Coronation to His Majesty King Louis & Queen Marie Antoinette.
The foreshadowing at the end of this clip is clever.
From now on, no world leaders will have a party like this.
I don’t give a damn that it’s not completely accurate. It was a damn good movie back when movies were allowed to be fun.
Long live the Queen ⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️
They both looked so happy here. After that, it going to downward spiral
Crazy how Duchess De Polignac had the least worst death out of all them here even tho she was the most rebellious and free spirited of Marie Antoinette’s trio, the princess de lamballe got stabbed multiple times and then beheaded despite being the reserved one in the group while the Duchess de Polignac just got sick and died of sadness in her bed.
same goofy laughter and antics just like modern parties, BUT NO SELFIES
Love this movie ❤ Marie Antoinette🥰❤️
What's going on there ?
Everything...
I LOVE THIS SCENE !!!!!
The soundtrack was a character
I loved the movie
Marie and Louis are such a cute couple
While the Nobles of Versailles were partying daily like it was 1999, 90% of France was on the brink of starvation and couldn't even afford to make ends meet due to heavy taxes and increased bread prices.
Ellos pasándola bien padrísimo y mientras su pueblo no tenía nada que comer
well one thing is right, the french know how to party and indulge in hendonism. theyre not ashamed of it.
Bonne Anniversaire
I was born 1984 ad, and I was born in Paris somewhere in Marais in Petit Palais and Im a boy whose all royal and Im a Prince.
Birthdays in a way were celebrated during this time. In Germany around this time kids birthday parties were called kinderfeste. Like today, candles would be put on cakes.
LOVE
This movie is my religion
I wish i turned 18 again lol ❤ and onow what i know now ..right ..? Damn straight .
LE LUXE EXTREME ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Meanwhile in Paris, people dying of hungry, poverty, illness, kids working in oder to have a piece of bread.
Как эта девочка счастлива , но в моей жизни не было ни одной счастливой минуты .
1:13 She looks like Victoire de Castellane, the jewelry designer of Christian Dior.
I WANT TO EAT THOSE POKER CHIPS I DONT CARE
She was a baby
this movie is an 11
What where they sniffing?
1:46 was that cocaine??
Most likely powdered snuff, but who knows? Lol
what was that woman snorting?
Snuff. It was a form of powdered tobacco and a stimulant used in the olden days
@@JulieCB1983 thank you! I should have thought of that.
Meanwhile, French people are starving...🙄
Yeah but it has been the same everywhere and eveytime. Find me one modern country where rich people are not rolling in money and poor people starving? Even in modern days its the same. People should stop pointing at marie antoinette. She was a good mother and did what she was able to. Nobody told her that empathy for her people was a thing.
To be fair
She did pay quite dearly.
that was the whole point of the movie. they were teenagers, they knew nothing about governing
@@typical_snowflake "Nobody told her empathy for her people was a thing." 😬Wow. If she was a decent queen, she should have figured that out. 🤦🤦🤦🙄😬
They did something about it.
Louis xvi was a giant, more than 1.90 m...again that republican propaganda to minimise him...
Somehow a period piece with modern music just doesn't work...
With enough suspension of disbelief you can see that it’s trying to emulate modern Rom coms where Theres a montage cut of the protagonist enjoying life in between the drama as a bit of a breather. In the historical context, it’s to show that the royals are a bunch of drunk gossips that like to party
It does for me. It's not meant to be an accurate representation. And that's kind of the whole point of the film
@@thenicobossy agree! Especially when it’s the Cure and New Order. ❤️
I heard something about a Knight's tail and they explained why they used modern music in it. I think the same applies to this. They said they used music to give us the same feel as their music did back then. You would not get the same feeling hearing a song from that period to hype up a crowd as you would hearing we will rock you. It's not saying that is the music that would be playing. It is communicating music with that type of energy that would be playing.
@@thenicobossy well then they could have made other costumes as well
Better "Acting" might have helped the horrible "Soundtrack". Visually it's nice
Let's hope you are not referring to Kirsten Dunst!
"Horrible soundtrack"? In what universe are The Cure, New Order, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Aphex Twin, Gang of Four, Bow Wow Wow, considered "horrible"?
@@examichelle None of which will be known of 300 years from now, nor will their "music" be played, unlike Bach, Mozart, Handel, Beethoven or Vivaldi, etc. who actually wrote and performed at the time depicted in the film. A distinctly period piece should have distinctly period music. Again though, the visuals were nice and the acting was poor.
@@jackhowland3737 You are so ignorant it's laughable
@@jackhowland3737 Oh and by the way, Vivaldi, Bach and Handel were long dead by the time Marie Antoinette became queen of France, so they weren't writing nor performing at that time.
Terrible soundtrack.
You sir have no taste
terrible opinion
you're calling CEREMONY by New Order/Joy Division, TERRIBLE?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
@@iamchristianbalesgirlfriend yes
@@ceceliaclarke264 ohhhh you don’t like it cause it’s not period accurate I see