Henry had a reputation for killing wives, but it's a "little bit" undeserved. After all, four of his six wives avoided execution one way or the other. It's therefore a little unfair to say categorically that Henry's rejection saved her life, as she could have been divorced, died of natural causes, or outlived Henry. It's also possible they might have had a happy marriage...
Don't insult turkeys. They're beautiful, majestic creatures. Henry was trailer trash in a position of absolute authority, power, and vast wealth. He was basically Donald Trump. You can put makeup on a pig, but you can't change its character. (Sorry pigs. You're delicious, smart animals.)
Henry the most disgusting king that start Protestantism, proclaiming himself the "pope" or whatever. He was Catholic like most England by then but his pride & arrogance and the fact that he want it to divorce is first wife The Great Catherine of Aragon (The daughter of The Most amazing Queen ever live: Isabel de Castilla SPAIN) but the Pope didn't conceded so Henry decide to star his own "church" (SECT). That shows the false "religion"=protestantism
It‘s amazing to me to imagine the hubris of a king wedding for political reasons and looking like an obese American with a foul, pusfilled not healing wound in his leg… To expect a 24 year old virgin not only to fall in love on first sight but actually let him grope her… Me too, anyone?
How so? Henry VIII's first wife, Catherine of Aragon, was removed as wife and queen after eleven years of marriage ... but still kept her head. The ones that didn't either did salacious things or were accused to have done such things. No such accusations were made against Anne Of Cleves while married to the king.
@MaximGhost you seem to not realize that the women you feel free to sl_t shame here like Catherine Howard had been groomed and SA‘d by older men from the age of 12, then forcibly married to a king who wouldn‘t hear No for an answer… Shame on you for being manipulated this easily by the male narrative
What truly saved Anne of Cleves life was the fact she was royal to begin with. Had he executed her he would have started a war. It was the same reason why he did not execute his 1st wife, Catherine of Aragon - the Spanish royal family would not have looked kindly on this type of treatment.
True, but he literally hounded Catherine to death and didn’t allow her to see her only living child. Such a horrible h7man being. I would say Anne of Cleaves got off easy.
And she was the sister of King Phillip of Spain who was also the current pope. At the time he was championing an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon & doubly didn't want to upset Phillip..
Well he was King. Nobody in our society has that level of power but even your average obese middle agent Hollywood agent isn't seen as disgusting because of the power they have. .
Anne of Cleves made out better than all of his other wives. Got rid of him in her 20s, retained prestige at court, had property, income and a rich social life of her own. Not bad.
@gahk25 Sadly, that's true. However, it's important to consider that the average life expectancy for women in the Tudor period was roughly 33-42 years. Probably slightly higher for royals but Anne was in the ballpark. Following her divorce from Henry, Anne lived a comfortable and, by most accounts, happy life for 17 years. Catherine of Aragon & Catherine Parr had much sadder fates.
@pollyparrot759 Madame I most certainly do agree with u , & Anne was correct because henry the asshole was indeed a very bad monster 👺, who murdered at least 2 of his poor wives, & Ana Boleyna was murdered w/o reason, in order for henry to marry his 3rd wife Anne von Cleves 🎉😢😢😢😮😮
Also thomas cromwell was a very stinking idiot advisor, & who advised henry on matters of state, but his advice was not worth a farthing, but henry often listened to the advice of cromwell 🎉🎉🎉🎉😮😮
Anne was smart. She got her divorce, stayed in Henry's good graces, and lived pretty well until her untimely death due to (probably) cancer. Better deal than Henry's other wives. I do not believe for a second that Anne wanted to remarry Henry.
Whatever the reason for his rejection, Henry would not have dared had her executed, as it would have started a war with the Germanic states and death to his anti-Papal alliance. The queens that were beheaded (Ann Boleyn and Catherine Howard) were English and from families that may have been nobility, but still in deference to the King. It’s all about power and politics.
Henry: paint my future wife as accurate as possible Painter: *paints good-looking woman* Henry: now paint me with a glow up Painter: *paints **7:33* I hid all your worst features Henry: ok but I still look like a fat jackass. Glow me up some more Painter: *paints **5:37* best I can do that still resembles you
if Henry was portrayed correctly in the Tudors, the wives, especially C. Howard, would make more sense. EW. I'd just be like, take me to the block now please!
@kaybeetoyz1968 Not to mention he had an open and festering wound that medicine of the time could do nothing about, so his smell must've been horrific too.
Yes the pain and the stench. That's what made him so crazy I think. How come nobody offered him opium. I'd rather be a bit giddy and not in pain feeling better would have made him a more just ruler. In my opinion of course@charlesw5919
It's very difficult for me to say anything because RUclips has been so far up you know where I don't know what to say. I'm trying to say if he was given something for the pain at least it would have made him a more just ruler. As far as the stench, I don't know what the heck they could have done@charlesw5919
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Anne of Cleves aka Anne the Clever - She’s my favourite of all henry viii six wives. She played her card well, she received wealth and favour from the king after the divorce. She was almost immune from his outburst. And most of all she had the kindest heart. She treated her servants well and left some money to all of them in her will. I hope they’ll make a film about her
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Henry the most disgusting king that start Protestantism, proclaiming himself the "pope" or whatever. He was Catholic like most England by then but his pride & arrogance and the fact that he want it to divorce is first wife The Great Catherine of Aragon (The daughter of The Most amazing Queen ever live: Isabel de Castilla SPAIN) but the Pope didn't conceded so Henry decide to star his own "church" (SECT). That shows the false "religion"=protestantism
Henry would not have tried to kiss her when he first saw her while he was in disguise if he had found her unattractive. It was only after her rejection that he called her ugly. He had been shamed, simple as that.
She was principled, far more so than Henry. She was intelligent, well-educated, and well-mannered. He took to ridicule in an effort to demoralise her and, when that failed, resorted to pedantic rumourmongering. He freed himself from the marriage but, because of her personal bearing, could not do her completely ill. I think the premarital encounter demonstrated her principled nature and grace, things he'd not previously encountered in a woman. Simply put, she was out of his league and he didn't know how to deal with that.
But you have to wonder why, if it really happened like that, no-one simply gave her a timely heads-up that Henry was fond of surprise cos play and that the Royal guards would certainly never let just any fat ugly old random in to see, let alone kiss or take any other liberties with, their Queen.
She couldn't have planned that better if she tried. Henry's own vanity allowed her to get out of being married to an absolute psycho without losing her head or any monetary advantage. What a QUEEN!
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Putrid smell coming off of Henry VIII by that point - he was 48 years old and had a bad smell due to leg ulcers and infections that caused him to rot. The stench was so strong that it could be detected from three rooms away.
Anne was the luckiest of Henry's wives. She was also smart enough to be compliant with Henry's wishes for an annulment and thus was rewarded with high ranking, vast estates and money. She actually enjoyed court life and her life in England, once free of the tyrant.
Luck had nothing to do with it. Henry couldn't kill her without starting a war because she was a royal. So Henry annulled the marriage. Anne of Cleves was brilliant enough to accept the terms.
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Anne is my favorite! She won the Queen Game. She got money and estates and she didn’t even have to sleep with a scabby old king to get it. She could even hang out in court and play with the kids. That’s the life! Winner!
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Yes! She got to stay in England in a beautiful home and didn't have her brother watching over her, or some other husband. She was on good terms with Henry's children and remained a respectful figure at court.
Worth pointing out that in the early years of their marriage, Henry had often done this with Catherine of Aragon, arriving at her chambers in disguise with his gentlemen as Robin Hood or some other figure out of folklore or mythology. Of course, Catherine always knew it was her husband, but she played along and pretended she didn't until Henry unmasked, while still being a gracious and welcoming hostess. Nobody dared to point out that a) unlike Catherine, Anna had never met Henry before, so she would have no way of recognising him and b) Henry was no longer the strapping, handsome youth he'd been in the early 1510s but a grossly overweight middle-aged tyrant, old before his time, who stank because of the open wound on his leg. He accused Anna of being 'flabby' and 'stinky' when we all know that he was far worse in both those categories. A classic case of projection!
Henry the most disgusting king that start Protestantism, proclaiming himself the "pope" or whatever. He was Catholic like most England by then but his pride & arrogance and the fact that he want it to divorce is first wife The Great Catherine of Aragon (The daughter of The Most amazing Queen ever live: Isabel de Castilla SPAIN) but the Pope didn't conceded so Henry decide to star his own "church" (SECT). That shows the false "religion"=protestantism
Henry was just your typical nepobaby that would never accept accountability or responsibility for his actions. If he was mentally unstable like you say, he would have been doing these things personally, not out of sight/out of mind like he actually was.
I always feel good that, though no fault of his own because he died, his precious son came to nothing while his unwanted daughter was England's greatest ever monarch!
Anne Of Cleves is literally an example of “rejection is protection” however, that she was intelligent enough to understand it and put aside her ego makes her exceptional.
I believe Dickens called Henry 'a smear of blood and grease upon the pages of England's history'. I'm no great admirer of Dickens, but he nailed that one.
I wouldn't call a king that killed numerous wives, fractured relations with the pope and the catholic world, wrecked the abbeys & monasteries and starting a new religion that is now the Church Of England, our official religion. Hardly a grease-spot!
@markhughes2556 The guy had offed several wives, had stood up to the Pope and all the catholic countries of Europe, had wrecked and plundered the abbeys and monasteries and started the current protestant state religion that impacts on most of our lives... hardly a 'greasy smear' on the history of England! I'd say he was a notable monarch!
@interestedbystander196 lol, which king had ever executed his queen before? Not to mention divorced two others and had one die in childbirth? No, Ann knew by then that Henry gets his way or else others get their heads rolling, not just his queens.
@julijakeit Two got divorced, sure, one of whom was Anne of Cleves. Also, one died in chilbirth, which was really not unusual for the time - in fact, death in childbirth was really a high risk for women right up until the early 20th century. Are you saying that was Henry's fault and somehow evidence that he's a rampaging bloodthirsty monster?
At this point in his life, Henry was old, crippled, obese, covered in boils, smelled of rotting wounds and was somewhat irrational (because, given all the former, who wouldn't be?). Anne of Cleves accepted all of that - and the likelihood that he was impotent - because she knew what happened to wives of Henry that were not compliant. Henry got his annulment and Anne got to live in comfort. On the whole, she was a very sensible person.
It's well documented that Henry VIII received a severe head-injury when he fell from his horse while hunting, after which his temperament changed dramatically, and the most notable was that he became more impatient & ill-tempered!
@MrWombatty Really? I heard it was from a jousting match. Either way, it is believed that the head injury (and possibly leg wound that never healed) were what made him really start going crazy.
It was better than going to war with her family and all their allies. Especially when he'd already alienated the entirety of Catholic Europe - Henry was starting to look a bit short-on for friends.
@sheaforest9309yes he used to visit her often at Richmond House playing cards...he confided in her rather than his counsellors....she was shrewd and graciously accepted the divorce and enjoyed her life..the red haired baby belonged to someone else and he saw the baby in a crib and it put him in a spin ...but the baby boy was not Anne's...
I love the quote from historian Suzannah Lipscomb, that in the marriage bed, there indeed was someone smelly, fat, and clearly not a virgin, but it wasn't Anne of Cleves. Side note, I always felt that it was unbelievably ironic that for the show the Tudors, they cast the beautiful Joss Stone as the "ugly" Anne of Cleves And Anne of Cleves, was the ultimate survivor. She was realistic, practical, smart and cunning. She knew from the moment she stepped foot on English soil, Henry was the boss, and she did everything to accommodate him, even when he asked for a divorce, she gave it to him without resistance, she made his life so much easier, and you can tell Henry was thankful for her willingness by rewarding her richly.
Thing is though I think they played it right by casting an actress who bore resemblance to the portrait, but was clearly very pretty. It was essentially clear then that Henry's opinion was his hateful and projected opinion alone, cos Joss Stone quite clearly isn't ugly
I think what really happened was: she didn't instantly fall all over him praising him, which made him feel insecure so he wanted to reject her and talk shit about her looks so her rejection of him wouldn't humiliate him. The ultimate "you're not rejecting me I'm rejecting you"
It’s beilivable because that EXACT situation happens DAILY. *Gets catcalled at work or at a stoplight. Doesn’t get a smile back* “You’re ugly any way, bitch”
That was just his opinion. She was the shrewdest of his wives obtaining a divorce, property, she made friends with Mary and Elizabeth and kept a favourable place at court as the kings sister. Well done her.
It's funny to me that there was a rumor that Anne was ugly, but they always get beautiful actresses to play her. She's my favorite wife! She won in the end.
Every time a woman rejects a man and he gets mad about it, the first thing he says is 'you're ugly' 😂 apparently this habit is older than people usually think
Yeah it's hard to argue that she won the Game of Henry with how things worked out for her and how smart, practical and clear thinking she must have been. My favourite is still Katherine Parr
Well, portraits don't tell us everything. By all accounts he liked petite women, which she wasn't. And he mentioned her 'slack' breasts and belly, so maybe she was on the chubby side? Which again doesn't seem to have fit his usual tastes. Or maybe he just found her really really boring and uncultured? I mean they could hardly talk to each other and don't seem to have had any shared interests at all.
Henry: I couldn't quite do it, could i? Anne: Your Majesty, your secret's safe with me H: I'll tell them it was your fault A: Okaaayy.... H: I'll tell them you're too ugly A: If you wish... H: I'll divorce you... any questions? A: Can i still keep my head? H: Yup. A: Ok, then! H: What? You agree? Giving up just like that? No passionate arguments, no weeping, no hysterics? A: How could I disagree with such a wonderful, wise and handsome king? (Besides, I have a tremendous passion for staying alive) H: Well said, well said.... you know what? I quite like you, you're a good girl. A: Awww, thank you... But wait! You're still divorcing me, right? H: Yes, yes. A: Thank goodness. H: What was that? A: Nothing, nothing. ... H: Good girl. A (to herself): Smile and wave, girl, smile and wave! 😁
jst about anyone and evryone was handsom and straping bak during whn in youth, Hnry VIII Tudor by tha time he was 40 Lookd and reekd Like FaLstaf and actd Like a U$ prsidnt oaf whos name we shaL not mntion to protct guiLty
Way back in the late 1960s or early 1970s there was a series about Henry Vlll on BBC. The father of one of my fellow students was one of the historians on the show. He told her that it was Anne of Cleves who was disgusted by the middle aged, overweight man with a stinking ulcerated leg, legacy of his jousting accident.
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Something I've never understood is why would Holbein produce an unrealistic portrait of Anne of Cleves when any such deception would be quickly discovered and Holbein and his fellow conspirators would be severely punished? I think the portrait must be reasonably accurate. At least accurate enough for those involved in producing it not to end up on the block.
There is a theory that Thomas Cromwell and other Protestant activists had an agenda to manipulate the wedding for political and religious reasons. A lot depends on whether you believe Cromwell was capable of taking such an enormous risk. For which, he soon was executed. This seems unlike Cromwell who was a very effective man. On the other hand, he died over this. So who knows.
@causewaykayakWhy would he get points for breaking with Rome. The Pope was right look what giving in to his adulterer tendency did to him and the womans he engaged with.
@bruno-bnvm He gets points because we give them to him. He was the one who made it so all sovereignty in England lay with the state and not some foreign priest. Other tyrants including the papacy killed far more people and far more cruelly than Good King Hal.
Anne grew up about 20 miles east of Düsseldorf, the capital of the combined states of Jülich-Kleve-Berg. The castle's name where she lived is "Schloss Burg" in the city of Solingen. There she learned from her mother how to run large land holdings. This skills helped her during her later live in England to stay independend from the king's court.
I did think from the thumbnail that this would be one of those AI voiced videos, but was pleasantly surprised to hear a real person with a lovely accent! Great video, very informative with great perspective and easy to watch!
I think Henry disliked Anne because she rejected his kiss when he came in disguise on their first meeting and he was insulted. He retained Holbein as court painter, which suggests the portait was accurate.
@speak_your_truth. No physician at the time would dare say that Henry was smelly, but his reported medical history indicates that he probably was. He had acquired suppurating ulcers on his legs which would not heal, for one thing. He possibly had Scurvy, and likely Diabetes type 2.
He had an ulcer on his leg from an accident that never healed, and it gave off a putrid odour. He was in constant pain and it's thought that the accident which caused him to be unconscious for a time, might have had long term effects on his behaviour. It was after that accident that he became such an obnoxious tyrant. Brain damage. Not excusing his behaviour at all, just considering the circumstances..
One thing Anne saw very clearly, early on. Give the King whatever he wants, be grateful for whatever he gives you and always remind him, that he’s the greatest King that ever lived. That will keep a smile on his face and the gifts will continue to roll your way! 👏🤗
She was the smartest of all. If he wanted a divorce, she said “absolutely, anything that’ll make you happy!” And thus she saved her life, and he even prized her with a small castle.
He probably really did feel more of a sibling vibe with her. Since he complained she was 'ugly', didn't consummate, accepted her friendship, and made sure she was taken care of later in life. He just didn't know how to express this, since he's an entitled, selfish murderer.
I think she was too educated to fall for his chauvinistic flirting game and compliments. The younger women, with less developed prefrontal cortexes, were simply more impressionable & more naive, and were thus a lot more likely to fall for henry's superficial charm. Educated women are harder to dominate entirely. The more vulnerable and naive a girl was, the more 'attractive' he would find them - because rather than ever loving any of his wives or mistresses, he simply had the mind of a narcissistic predator devoid of any real empathy. Even his most loyal right-hand man Thomas Cromwell, he betrayed and had executed.
His father was nothing virtuous either, the murder of a young man he kept in solitary confinement from the time he was 10 years old until he had him executed at 24 was premeditated and coldblooded and stained his vaunted 'reputation' that when he wanted to gain custody of this same young man's cousin, (yet another cousin to his wife,) this was denied as it was understood Henry VII would immediately kill the young man - so, oaths and 'promises' were made, hand over the young man, I will only imprison him (for life), really. He kept that promise, with instructions to his darling son to kill Edmund as soon as he could once HE became king - something that did indeed come to pass, although Edmund's confinement under Henry VII included torture, deprivation and the usual abuse his 'dynasty' for which they were infamous. The Tower itself, a royal refuge and residence for centuries became known as Bloody Tower because of this ever so refined and enlightened 'dynasty.'
Why is it not being said that Anne of Cleves was clearly a brilliant, astute and diplomatic woman? She was in a no win situation from the start. She came out of an unsuccessful marriage to a known wife-killer with wealth, status, royal friendship, and a good relationship with all the potential royal heirs.
I like the use of "severance package"! Anne did well for herself to survive Henry and not have to go back home blamed for not pleasing a vain, capricious man.
Anne is the only wife of Henry 8 buried in Westminster Abbey. Henry was interred in a small side crypt with Jane under St George’s chapel in Windsor. He had planned a magnificent tomb for himself made by Italian craftsmen, but it was never finished. Labourers working in the crypt in the 19th century knocked down the wall and found not only their coffins, but that of Charles 1 as well. Anne and Catherine Howard were buried under the floor of the Tower chapel, St Peter Ad Vincula. Catherine of Aragon was buried under the floor by the transept of Peterborough Cathedral. Her supporters still leave pomegranites there. Mary Queen of Scots was buried on the other side originally, but moved to Westminster abbey by her son, James 6& 1. Katherine Parr was buried in the chapel of Sudely Castle, but her tomb was destroyed in the English Civil war. Henry 8’s lavish tomb was finished and used for the internment of Admiral Lord Nelson in the Abbey.
It’s easy to become a narcissist when you’re told you have the divining right to absolute power over an entire nation for most of your life. I’m sure the syphilis didn’t help.
✨ Its often said by historians & scholars that Henry & Anne became close friends after the annulment and that he valued her not just as a close confidante but as an astute advisor up until his death. His generous settlement & the fact that he allowed her to keep her head seems to support that. She was a lucky woman.
@YamileYemoonyah ✨ Well, what do you think? Or more to the point - what would you have done? As *@paulnelson5144* said below - you're thinking like a modern, independent woman of today.Most, even aristocratic women then,didn't have that as an option. She did what she had to do to survive (& to live a comfortable life) so fair due to her. 🕊️ ☘️
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Excellent video! I admire very much Anne of Cleves. She was a very inteligent woman, one who agreed with Henry VIII demands and became a good friend to him in such a way that he called her "sister" and always received her at Court. Very clever woman!
@keturaequalizer Exactly! Because she was intelligent and knew that in opposing Henry VIII wishes, she would end up like Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard. Using her brilliant inteligence skills, she saved her life and was very well rewarded by the King, enjoying a very quiet and good life until her death! I also admire Catherine of Aragon very much, but in opposing Henry VIII wishes, so radically like she did, she caused more problems than solutions. Pope Clement VII tried some type of compromise, but she was undeterred! A very magnificent woman she was, and could have changed all the bad situation by being just as wise and sagacious as Anne of Cleves was.
@cplmpcocptcl6306 Are you a time traveller? How can you know what she actually looked like? She was probably an averagely good looking woman, I doubt Henry's dislike of her was solely about her appearance as this video says.
Years ago I read a hypothesis that Anne of Cleaves was a sturdily-built, busty German, but Henry liked his women to be slender waifs with boyish figures. She was so lucky to have survived and thrived.
He had a singular infatuation + chemistry with Anne Boleyn, who was slender - but that was unique. All his other wives were said to be "buxom", as was ideal in the period. And at one point he was quoted as saying, "I'm a big man; I need a big wife".
Heard he burst in on Catherine of Aragon in a similar way before their Marriage and he was happy with her response. Of course she knew him and saw through his disguise. He was trying to recreate his teenage adventure.
Recreating an adventure with another woman is selfish and insulting. Make a new memory with a new partner in a way that is unique to that relationship… But had he had that kind of emotional maturity he wouldn’t have been looking in the first place. His petulance came with pestilence.
Holbein wasn't prone to lying in his portraits. She was as he painted her. Henry obviously started the "ugly" lie because she rejected them when they first met.
To be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if his visit "in disguise" was a test she was supposed to fail: if she rejected his advances, she failed because she didnt recognize him, but if she had, she would have been "unfaithful to the King", and likely executed for it. I think he arranged the marriage only for political reasons, but wanted nothing to do with her from before meeting her. Add the percieved "insult" that she (purposely?) didnt see through his disguise, and its no wonder this famously petulant man wanted nothing to do with her.
Rejecting him, like she did, made concocting an adultery claim so much harder. She even followed it up by demonstrating an astounding lack of knowledge and innocence to everybody, who would listen. She was very intelligent.
She dodged a bullet, got a castle+money, she would be welcomed as a vip at the king's palace and wouldn't need to be forced to get married. She hit the jackpot
She upheld her virtues as a princess of her time by rejecting a random page and was “punished” unjustly for it. She also had enough intelligence and EQ to survive in the court of a different country, much more successfully than the rest of his wives. Honestly, she just sounds like an amazing woman. Henry on the other hand, somehow swiped right on the medieval version of tinder and expected the girl to be his new soulmate. WTF?! Then was immature enough to take revenge, but had to prove his manhood by having someone testify in court he had two wet dreams a night 😂 please send help, i’m laughing too hard and can’t breath 😂😂😂
@miaschu8175she didn’t quite get out of jail free, she was humiliated by an entire country, but after that whole mess died down she did well for herself. She was slandered and called ugly for behaving like a proper young lady who was betrothed to a king, what kind of psychopath punishes a woman for that? Oh right, Henry VIII. You can never win with a narcissist, ever.
Luckily for her, Henry didn't start an adultery campaign on her so he could behead her. She was demure and gracious and lived a very good life away from all that madness. She must have been frightened out of her mind when the rejection came and the rumors started. You know she thought he's going to kill me.
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That didn’t matter, Catharine of Aragorn was an outstanding queen. She was banished after 20 years of loyalty and denied access to her daughter because she was too old to produce a son.
The woman was clearly far more savvy than her peers. I believe it is far more likely that Anne was able to manipulate the narcissistic king to her will.
It was, mainly, a political alliance, as Henry needed the support of Anne’s brother, an enthusiastic Protestant, as an ally against hostile Catholic Continental powers. This was, probably, the main reason why Anne was treated so generously following the annulment of the marriage.
The King isn’t exactly model material himself. But his thinking that she’s ugly or in modern terms being plain, hasn’t changed in centuries where men seem to think they’re judges of beauty when they’re not exactly getting paid millions a day for their looks. Looks fade, good personalities don’t regardless of gender.
She was too old.. therefore navigated her way with intelligence through his darkness.. with success. the scene where Cromwell is talking up her beauty while Henry is insulting her is too funny omg. Good thing she didn't take it personally.. and understood her assignment.
You're looking at the portraits of him after he got old and fat. My understanding is that as a younger man, Henry was tall, handsome and athletic. Think of Elvis Presley, young and then old. Or maybe DJT.
@powerpointpaladin6911 typical injured ex-athlete problems, not being able to move anymore, still eating a lot, (and doctors of the Tim advice so for male reproductive health), and hating yourself and everything
Anne of Cleves was the luckiest wife of Henry VIII, his lack of attraction towards Anne saved her life and she got a pretty good deal out of the divorce.
Always cracks me up when "pics" of Anne never show her as ugly....and yet besides Henry himself being disgusting by then, most of those other women he married didn't seem nice to look at. Crazy. I have seen MANY shows with depictions and read books. History is my fave. Thank you✌🏼😍
i think it had nothing to do with looks he was used to outgoing women who fawned over him and she was reserved, quiet, and serious in nature she didnt know how to play cards or dance and the style wasnt what he was used to those frivolous past times were frown on in germany at the time. he was full of himself his leg stunk and she didnt like it. im glad she got her freedom.
The reason was his own impotence. He blamed her, then he blamed Catherine Howard for taking a lover because she was a teenager and he was impotent. Then his final wife never became pregnant because he was impotent and she became pregnant immediately with her husband's child, though parr died in childbirth. He said ann of cleves smelled badly, while his own leg was oozing
@gearoiddomsugar was available to the rich in England since the 11th century. The link below explains what Henry ate. Also the volume of food would have contributed to his obesity and therefore his diabetes.
@gearoiddom You think type 2 is only from processed food? You know there is such a thing called Google that can actually tell you the truth. Unless you like to remain ignorant I guess.
@gearoiddom Type II diabetes existed back then. It's related to diet, & Henry's diet was likely heavy on the carbs (which turn to sugar in the body) as well as probably too much meat. Not to mention he simply just ate too much, period. Yeah, Type II shows up if you eat too much processed food, but it can also show up if you're sedentary (which Henry was, due to his leg ulcers), & if you eat too much.
The Truth About England’s Most Famous Queen:
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Most famous? Maybe at the time, but Queen Elizabeth ll has definitely been more so.
Did Henry possibly have diabetes? Or did he just not keep himself clean, resulting in the skin issues and being overweight and likely impotent?
@sandraferguson6360 He almost certainly had Type II diabetes for much of his adult life, yes.
I’d love to know where the video clips came from besides the show the tudors
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Anne was lucky to have been declared ugly by Henry. It saved her life.
Her title and family connections saved her life. Henry did not execute his royal wives.
@laffintigGood point. I hadn't noticed that.
Anybody wonder if she arranged the stink on purpose?
She'd met HIM, too.
Henry had a reputation for killing wives, but it's a "little bit" undeserved. After all, four of his six wives avoided execution one way or the other. It's therefore a little unfair to say categorically that Henry's rejection saved her life, as she could have been divorced, died of natural causes, or outlived Henry. It's also possible they might have had a happy marriage...
I think foreign wives got to keep their heads.
Pretty bold of him to call her ugly while he looked like a stuffed turkey...
Don't insult turkeys. They're beautiful, majestic creatures. Henry was trailer trash in a position of absolute authority, power, and vast wealth.
He was basically Donald Trump. You can put makeup on a pig, but you can't change its character. (Sorry pigs. You're delicious, smart animals.)
Elite Arrogance
Henry the most disgusting king that start Protestantism, proclaiming himself the "pope" or whatever. He was Catholic like most England by then but his pride & arrogance and the fact that he want it to divorce is first wife The Great Catherine of Aragon (The daughter of The Most amazing Queen ever live: Isabel de Castilla SPAIN) but the Pope didn't conceded so Henry decide to star his own "church" (SECT). That shows the false "religion"=protestantism
Jabba the Hutt!!!
Being a big fat men showed wealth as they could afford to eat well.
Getting rejected early on might have saved her life. An amazing woman for surviving him.
It‘s amazing to me to imagine the hubris of a king wedding for political reasons and looking like an obese American with a foul, pusfilled not healing wound in his leg…
To expect a 24 year old virgin not only to fall in love on first sight but actually let him grope her…
Me too, anyone?
She's a legend for that reason. Catherine Parr survived him simply because he died first. 😅
How so? Henry VIII's first wife, Catherine of Aragon, was removed as wife and queen after eleven years of marriage ... but still kept her head. The ones that didn't either did salacious things or were accused to have done such things. No such accusations were made against Anne Of Cleves while married to the king.
@MaximGhost you seem to not realize that the women you feel free to sl_t shame here like Catherine Howard had been groomed and SA‘d by older men from the age of 12, then forcibly married to a king who wouldn‘t hear No for an answer…
Shame on you for being manipulated this easily by the male narrative
@MaximGhostI think the only reason Catherine of Aragon lived was because he hadn’t yet developed an appetite for spousal murder.
What truly saved Anne of Cleves life was the fact she was royal to begin with. Had he executed her he would have started a war. It was the same reason why he did not execute his 1st wife, Catherine of Aragon - the Spanish royal family would not have looked kindly on this type of treatment.
True, but he literally hounded Catherine to death and didn’t allow her to see her only living child. Such a horrible h7man being. I would say Anne of Cleaves got off easy.
Yeah
@Sassie1 exactly, non-royal wives were easily disposed of by Henry. War is Messy, especially with a desirable ally.
Wow good point ! I never thought of that .
And she was the sister of King Phillip of Spain who was also the current pope. At the time he was championing an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon & doubly didn't want to upset Phillip..
I bet 24 year old Anne was disgusted when she saw obese, dissolute, middle-aged Henry but no one ever talks about that.
And his rotting, stinking leg! He was no catch.
I’m going to now😮
Well he was King. Nobody in our society has that level of power but even your average obese middle agent Hollywood agent isn't seen as disgusting because of the power they have. .
Leg? Probably his teeth too.. Poor women and their noses @Whoknows688
He was a baller why wouldn't she love him.
If Henry Tudor asks you for a divorce, you give him a divorce. And you smile about it and say thank you hahahaha
And you likely mean it too, given most of the alternatives.
He took pretty good care of her afterwards. At a point she was considered one of the most powerful women in England.
And RUN for the damn hills
Henry Tudor was Henry 7
If Henry asks you for a divorce, say yes and be glad you dodged a bullet.
Anne of Cleves made out better than all of his other wives. Got rid of him in her 20s, retained prestige at court, had property, income and a rich social life of her own. Not bad.
But she died young at 42
@gahk25 A lot of them did.
@gahk25 42 Wasn't considered 'young' in those days.
@gahk25
Sadly, that's true. However, it's important to consider that the average life expectancy for women in the Tudor period was roughly 33-42 years. Probably slightly higher for royals but Anne was in the ballpark.
Following her divorce from Henry, Anne lived a comfortable and, by most accounts, happy life for 17 years. Catherine of Aragon & Catherine Parr had much sadder fates.
@gahk25imagine a time when there were no antibiotics
Anne was cute as hell. Hans portrayed people insanely accurately. Anne is and was absolutely beautiful
You cannot know that…..
Do you really believe Anne looked like that actress in an inaccurate and ignorant portrayal of history.
They always probably believe Anne Boleyn was black because a black actress portrayed her in woke gone mad
EVERY picture has portrayed her as plain as a 1970's Librarian....
Clever Anne, she neatly avoided being stuck with a monster.
@pollyparrot759 Madame I most certainly do agree with u , & Anne was correct because henry the asshole was indeed a very bad monster 👺, who murdered at least 2 of his poor wives, & Ana Boleyna was murdered w/o reason, in order for henry to marry his 3rd wife Anne von Cleves 🎉😢😢😢😮😮
Also thomas cromwell was a very stinking idiot advisor, & who advised henry on matters of state, but his advice was not worth a farthing, but henry often listened to the advice of cromwell 🎉🎉🎉🎉😮😮
Henry was vile, lucky escape.
Or stuck by a monster, as it were.
@Mahaveez 😄
Anne was smart. She got her divorce, stayed in Henry's good graces, and lived pretty well until her untimely death due to (probably) cancer. Better deal than Henry's other wives. I do not believe for a second that Anne wanted to remarry Henry.
@Petipulpul- but a better prospect than the life she left.
More an annulment.
@masada2828 True. I failed to differentiate but it would have made a huge difference in her time.
In fact she outlived all his other wives
Whatever the reason for his rejection, Henry would not have dared had her executed, as it would have started a war with the Germanic states and death to his anti-Papal alliance. The queens that were beheaded (Ann Boleyn and Catherine Howard) were English and from families that may have been nobility, but still in deference to the King. It’s all about power and politics.
comparing his and her portraits, methinks he was projecting.
Methinks. Haha!
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Henry: paint my future wife as accurate as possible
Painter: *paints good-looking woman*
Henry: now paint me with a glow up
Painter: *paints **7:33* I hid all your worst features
Henry: ok but I still look like a fat jackass. Glow me up some more
Painter: *paints **5:37* best I can do that still resembles you
we think so too
Methinks? Pass the axe.
That a public figure or leader would call his wife “ugly” says more about HIM than about her
if Henry was portrayed correctly in the Tudors, the wives, especially C. Howard, would make more sense. EW. I'd just be like, take me to the block now please!
@kaybeetoyz1968 Not to mention he had an open and festering wound that medicine of the time could do nothing about, so his smell must've been horrific too.
Yes the pain and the stench. That's what made him so crazy I think. How come nobody offered him opium. I'd rather be a bit giddy and not in pain feeling better would have made him a more just ruler. In my opinion of course@charlesw5919
It's very difficult for me to say anything because RUclips has been so far up you know where I don't know what to say. I'm trying to say if he was given something for the pain at least it would have made him a more just ruler. As far as the stench, I don't know what the heck they could have done@charlesw5919
Hnry VIII Tudor dd aLot wors than that during in his aduLt Life, and Like Cathrn Howard said momnt bfor she was xcuted, that she died a Queen and but she wouLd'v rathr Livd to die tha wife of Thomas CuLpeper
Anne of Cleves aka Anne the Clever - She’s my favourite of all henry viii six wives. She played her card well, she received wealth and favour from the king after the divorce. She was almost immune from his outburst. And most of all she had the kindest heart. She treated her servants well and left some money to all of them in her will. I hope they’ll make a film about her
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So clever and at such a young age. She kept her cool and responded carefully to his request for divorce.
And they better not make her ugly!!
Smart women will always rise to the top
Henry the most disgusting king that start Protestantism, proclaiming himself the "pope" or whatever. He was Catholic like most England by then but his pride & arrogance and the fact that he want it to divorce is first wife The Great Catherine of Aragon (The daughter of The Most amazing Queen ever live: Isabel de Castilla SPAIN) but the Pope didn't conceded so Henry decide to star his own "church" (SECT). That shows the false "religion"=protestantism
Henry would not have tried to kiss her when he first saw her while he was in disguise if he had found her unattractive. It was only after her rejection that he called her ugly. He had been shamed, simple as that.
If he wasn't the king he would be considered completely vile. Like most men in power, he used it to harm women for his own pleasure.
Sounds about right
She was principled, far more so than Henry. She was intelligent, well-educated, and well-mannered. He took to ridicule in an effort to demoralise her and, when that failed, resorted to pedantic rumourmongering. He freed himself from the marriage but, because of her personal bearing, could not do her completely ill.
I think the premarital encounter demonstrated her principled nature and grace, things he'd not previously encountered in a woman. Simply put, she was out of his league and he didn't know how to deal with that.
But you have to wonder why, if it really happened like that, no-one simply gave her a timely heads-up that Henry was fond of surprise cos play and that the Royal guards would certainly never let just any fat ugly old random in to see, let alone kiss or take any other liberties with, their Queen.
@LadyGabriellaShimone He'd encountered principles and grace before. And divorced Catholicism to be able to divorce her.
Pretty sure she was more than happy to accept an annulment. Probably even relieved.
She couldn't have planned that better if she tried. Henry's own vanity allowed her to get out of being married to an absolute psycho without losing her head or any monetary advantage. What a QUEEN!
Rejection is protection
What's that mean? That by being rejected Anne was protected from Henry?
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@mcaruso7897 Yes.
This is true in this case, and is one of the more important lessons I've learned in life...
He was just upset she thought he was ugly. It's the same as a woman rejecting a man and him saying oh well you were ugly anyways 😅
Men are so fragile. They still don’t get it to this day. No woman is ever “ugly”. All men are though…..
That sounds like something Trump would and has said as a retort.
@Alex-cb2gfinnit, and they say people don't reincarnate 😂
@Alex-cb2gf it is exactly something trump would say. Tyrants all seem the same huh?
@SingPandaProductions *impotent tyrants
Putrid smell coming off of Henry VIII by that point - he was 48 years old and had a bad smell due to leg ulcers and infections that caused him to rot. The stench was so strong that it could be detected from three rooms away.
Must have been pretty strong as everyone and everything else smelled naturally of roses.
Were you there or something??
@patlitton3506 OMG - you could smell him coming!
@luckyspiderboots2530 That information comes from Royal Court documents of the time. FIFY
And they were big rooms.
Anne was the luckiest of Henry's wives. She was also smart enough to be compliant with Henry's wishes for an annulment and thus was rewarded with high ranking, vast estates and money. She actually enjoyed court life and her life in England, once free of the tyrant.
Not vast estates- several houses.
Luck had nothing to do with it. Henry couldn't kill her without starting a war because she was a royal. So Henry annulled the marriage. Anne of Cleves was brilliant enough to accept the terms.
@Rebecca_English actualLy, An ofrom CLvs wasnt a RoyaL pr1nces, she was DucaL pr1nces ofrom a Grman DucaL-Pr1ncipaLity of counts-Dukes from Brg-CLvs-JuLich-LaMark-Ravnsbrg, and but she was protctd by a strong aLiance of Grman protstant reaLms, not Least of whch was tha sevraL powrfuL Pr1nce Dukes Lctors of Saxony, who sided aLong Hnry VIII Tudor against mperor CharLs V Habpsbrg-Trastamara pLus wth Francis I Capet-AngouLm-VaLois o'France
Anne actually fought the divorce/annulment. She proclaimed herself the true wife and queen of Henry VIII until she died.
Anne is my favorite! She won the Queen Game. She got money and estates and she didn’t even have to sleep with a scabby old king to get it. She could even hang out in court and play with the kids. That’s the life! Winner!
Given the nature of her match, it's interesting she had a good friendship with Queen Mary.
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Yes! She got to stay in England in a beautiful home and didn't have her brother watching over her, or some other husband. She was on good terms with Henry's children and remained a respectful figure at court.
Plus she got buried in Westminster Abbey, and got the title Queen of England placed on her grave. Incredible achievement.
It appears to me to be an example of living in a gilded cage.
Worth pointing out that in the early years of their marriage, Henry had often done this with Catherine of Aragon, arriving at her chambers in disguise with his gentlemen as Robin Hood or some other figure out of folklore or mythology. Of course, Catherine always knew it was her husband, but she played along and pretended she didn't until Henry unmasked, while still being a gracious and welcoming hostess. Nobody dared to point out that a) unlike Catherine, Anna had never met Henry before, so she would have no way of recognising him and b) Henry was no longer the strapping, handsome youth he'd been in the early 1510s but a grossly overweight middle-aged tyrant, old before his time, who stank because of the open wound on his leg. He accused Anna of being 'flabby' and 'stinky' when we all know that he was far worse in both those categories. A classic case of projection!
That was actually the style in the time.
Henry the most disgusting king that start Protestantism, proclaiming himself the "pope" or whatever. He was Catholic like most England by then but his pride & arrogance and the fact that he want it to divorce is first wife The Great Catherine of Aragon (The daughter of The Most amazing Queen ever live: Isabel de Castilla SPAIN) but the Pope didn't conceded so Henry decide to star his own "church" (SECT). That shows the false "religion"=protestantism
Ppl@sbeaber
It's quite possible that Anne of Cleves was so revolted by him that she was unable to hide this when they met.
Yesss projection
Henry was a narcissistic serial killer . Centuries later it still feels good that she escaped his evil machinations
She knew how to play it.
Henry VIII was a legendary failure as king. He failed so hard it utterly transformed England in multiple ways.
Most accurate description ever.
Henry was just your typical nepobaby that would never accept accountability or responsibility for his actions. If he was mentally unstable like you say, he would have been doing these things personally, not out of sight/out of mind like he actually was.
I always feel good that, though no fault of his own because he died, his precious son came to nothing while his unwanted daughter was England's greatest ever monarch!
Anne Of Cleves is literally an example of “rejection is protection” however, that she was intelligent enough to understand it and put aside her ego makes her exceptional.
I believe Dickens called Henry 'a smear of blood and grease upon the pages of England's history'. I'm no great admirer of Dickens, but he nailed that one.
Exactly!
I wouldn't call a king that killed numerous wives, fractured relations with the pope and the catholic world, wrecked the abbeys & monasteries and starting a new religion that is now the Church Of England, our official religion.
Hardly a grease-spot!
I thought I was the only person who's not too keen on Dickens
@markhughes2556 The guy had offed several wives, had stood up to the Pope and all the catholic countries of Europe, had wrecked and plundered the abbeys and monasteries and started the current protestant state religion that impacts on most of our lives... hardly a 'greasy smear' on the history of England!
I'd say he was a notable monarch!
@TeddyBear-ii4yc Like Genghis Khan.
She’s not ugly at all judging by her portrait. She is smart for not getting her head chopped of the others.
Only two of Henry's wives were executed... People make out like this was the fate of all of them.
@interestedbystander196 lol, which king had ever executed his queen before? Not to mention divorced two others and had one die in childbirth? No, Ann knew by then that Henry gets his way or else others get their heads rolling, not just his queens.
@julijakeit Two got divorced, sure, one of whom was Anne of Cleves. Also, one died in chilbirth, which was really not unusual for the time - in fact, death in childbirth was really a high risk for women right up until the early 20th century. Are you saying that was Henry's fault and somehow evidence that he's a rampaging bloodthirsty monster?
@interestedbystander196There's plenty of other evidence that he was a bloodthirsty rampaging monster besides this.
only two had heads chopped and both were almost certainly unfaithfull
At this point in his life, Henry was old, crippled, obese, covered in boils, smelled of rotting wounds and was somewhat irrational (because, given all the former, who wouldn't be?). Anne of Cleves accepted all of that - and the likelihood that he was impotent - because she knew what happened to wives of Henry that were not compliant. Henry got his annulment and Anne got to live in comfort. On the whole, she was a very sensible person.
It's well documented that Henry VIII received a severe head-injury when he fell from his horse while hunting, after which his temperament changed dramatically, and the most notable was that he became more impatient & ill-tempered!
@MrWombatty Really? I heard it was from a jousting match. Either way, it is believed that the head injury (and possibly leg wound that never healed) were what made him really start going crazy.
Read articles that said H8 died of siphilus @samiamtheman7379
And he had a bit of brain damage from being knocked off his horse while jousting.
@onenote6619 Clearly, you knew him intimately!!!
She rejected him first, unknowingly. So to save face he told everyone that SHE was ugly.
I can't see why he would publicly proclaim her as his sister and the third highest ranking woman in the country if he didn't hold her in some esteem.
Keeping the German Protestants happy.
It was better than going to war with her family and all their allies. Especially when he'd already alienated the entirety of Catholic Europe - Henry was starting to look a bit short-on for friends.
I think he actually liked her as a person or he would not have spent his free time playing checkers with her.
@sheaforest9309yes he used to visit her often at Richmond House playing cards...he confided in her rather than his counsellors....she was shrewd and graciously accepted the divorce and enjoyed her life..the red haired baby belonged to someone else and he saw the baby in a crib and it put him in a spin ...but the baby boy was not Anne's...
To keep her quiet
I love the quote from historian Suzannah Lipscomb, that in the marriage bed, there indeed was someone smelly, fat, and clearly not a virgin, but it wasn't Anne of Cleves.
Side note, I always felt that it was unbelievably ironic that for the show the Tudors, they cast the beautiful Joss Stone as the "ugly" Anne of Cleves
And Anne of Cleves, was the ultimate survivor. She was realistic, practical, smart and cunning. She knew from the moment she stepped foot on English soil, Henry was the boss, and she did everything to accommodate him, even when he asked for a divorce, she gave it to him without resistance, she made his life so much easier, and you can tell Henry was thankful for her willingness by rewarding her richly.
Well said!
Joss Stone was great as Anne!
sounds like the kind of malignant narcissist that projects his faults onto others. Like Trump
Thing is though I think they played it right by casting an actress who bore resemblance to the portrait, but was clearly very pretty. It was essentially clear then that Henry's opinion was his hateful and projected opinion alone, cos Joss Stone quite clearly isn't ugly
Joss Stone is perfect as the Anne of Cleves because we all believe that she was actually quite beautiful, and Henry called her ugly out of spite.
I think what really happened was: she didn't instantly fall all over him praising him, which made him feel insecure so he wanted to reject her and talk shit about her looks so her rejection of him wouldn't humiliate him.
The ultimate "you're not rejecting me I'm rejecting you"
The textbook narcissist: ‘Now look what you make me do’
Basically an incel.
Guess good as any and worth just as much.
It’s beilivable because that EXACT situation happens DAILY.
*Gets catcalled at work or at a stoplight. Doesn’t get a smile back* “You’re ugly any way, bitch”
The king 👑 had 3 dead 💀 wives and was twice her age. Why would Anne be excited about that old dog 🐕?
That was just his opinion. She was the shrewdest of his wives obtaining a divorce, property, she made friends with Mary and Elizabeth and kept a favourable place at court as the kings sister. Well done her.
Henry had everything. Kingdom, wealth, power. What he needed was some humility and a mirror the dude look like a bloated toad.
To be fair the had brain damage that possibly caused an eating disorder and diabetes
What he needed was a male heir and that's what all this was about.
He went through all that wealth and left a bankrupt.
Bloated toad lmao!!! Love the comment.😂🤣😂
It's funny to me that there was a rumor that Anne was ugly, but they always get beautiful actresses to play her. She's my favorite wife! She won in the end.
Beat me to it, anytime I see her characterised it's always a pretty actress.
Every time a woman rejects a man and he gets mad about it, the first thing he says is 'you're ugly' 😂 apparently this habit is older than people usually think
Yeah it's hard to argue that she won the Game of Henry with how things worked out for her and how smart, practical and clear thinking she must have been.
My favourite is still Katherine Parr
I think she looks very good in the portraits of her. It certainly doesn't seem as if she were ugly at all.
Well, portraits don't tell us everything. By all accounts he liked petite women, which she wasn't. And he mentioned her 'slack' breasts and belly, so maybe she was on the chubby side? Which again doesn't seem to have fit his usual tastes.
Or maybe he just found her really really boring and uncultured?
I mean they could hardly talk to each other and don't seem to have had any shared interests at all.
Henry: I couldn't quite do it, could i?
Anne: Your Majesty, your secret's safe with me
H: I'll tell them it was your fault
A: Okaaayy....
H: I'll tell them you're too ugly
A: If you wish...
H: I'll divorce you... any questions?
A: Can i still keep my head?
H: Yup.
A: Ok, then!
H: What? You agree? Giving up just like that? No passionate arguments, no weeping, no hysterics?
A: How could I disagree with such a wonderful, wise and handsome king? (Besides, I have a tremendous passion for staying alive)
H: Well said, well said.... you know what? I quite like you, you're a good girl.
A: Awww, thank you... But wait! You're still divorcing me, right?
H: Yes, yes.
A: Thank goodness.
H: What was that?
A: Nothing, nothing. ...
H: Good girl.
A (to herself): Smile and wave, girl, smile and wave! 😁
H. And will it be agreeable for me to come and play cards with you at some later date? oh yes and you will win every time!!
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Yes !!!
That would have been an awesome episode of Drunk History 😂😅
Bold of him to complain about her appearance when he looked like THAT.
He was strapping and handsome in his youth. We just remember those ridiculous threads .
jst about anyone and evryone was handsom and straping bak during whn in youth, Hnry VIII Tudor by tha time he was 40 Lookd and reekd Like FaLstaf and actd Like a U$ prsidnt oaf whos name we shaL not mntion to protct guiLty
She’s not bad looking. Even by modern standards, she is still reasonably pretty.
Way back in the late 1960s or early 1970s there was a series about Henry Vlll on BBC. The father of one of my fellow students was one of the historians on the show. He told her that it was Anne of Cleves who was disgusted by the middle aged, overweight man with a stinking ulcerated leg, legacy of his jousting accident.
Was that the "Six Wives of Henry VIII"? We enjoyed that very much!
If it was, Keith Michell was magnificent as Henry.
I heard and read that too.
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I loved that series.
Something I've never understood is why would Holbein produce an unrealistic portrait of Anne of Cleves when any such deception would be quickly discovered and Holbein and his fellow conspirators would be severely punished? I think the portrait must be reasonably accurate. At least accurate enough for those involved in producing it not to end up on the block.
Holbein is famous for his accuracy. Read harder between the lines.
Holbein’s portraits seem to come alive in fact
There is a theory that Thomas Cromwell and other Protestant activists had an agenda to manipulate the wedding for political and religious reasons. A lot depends on whether you believe Cromwell was capable of taking such an enormous risk. For which, he soon was executed. This seems unlike Cromwell who was a very effective man. On the other hand, he died over this. So who knows.
She was quite pretty from front on, but what did she look like in profile?
@mikev4621Maybe you'd be happier spending time in a car dealership.
If Anne was ugly, they cast the wrong actress in that show.
sure sure , and Hnry VIII Tudor Lookd Like Jonathan Rhys Meyers
I think the best possible scenario is for Henry the Eighth to think you’re too ugly. You live a heck of a lot longer.
Ann was a royal princess - he could never have had her killed without a war breaking out.
@rickjensen2717 Had earlier been same with Spain. At least Henry did the break with Rome so points for that. Also made axes popular. 🪓😂
@causewaykayakWhy would he get points for breaking with Rome. The Pope was right look what giving in to his adulterer tendency did to him and the womans he engaged with.
right?!
This! It makes so much more sense than “she was smart!” I’m sure she was but I’m sure it was because he didn’t want to break the alliance 😳
@bruno-bnvm He gets points because we give them to him. He was the one who made it so all sovereignty in England lay with the state and not some foreign priest. Other tyrants including the papacy killed far more people and far more cruelly than Good King Hal.
I doubt Anne of Cleves wanted to remarry him. She knew she was lucky when he wanted an annulment and she got to escape his grossness
"Henry VIII. He was a shit."
Alan Partridge
Alan Partridge was being kind, imo
b cooL to see RoBrydon and Stfphvn Coogan do a carry-on Hnry parody
Anne grew up about 20 miles east of Düsseldorf, the capital of the combined states of Jülich-Kleve-Berg. The castle's name where she lived is "Schloss Burg" in the city of Solingen. There she learned from her mother how to run large land holdings. This skills helped her during her later live in England to stay independend from the king's court.
Great information! Thank you for sharing
Interesting!
She was undoubtedly a stolid German, lacking in the courtly skills Henry had so prized in his first two wives. Quite a cultural difference.
Thank you! I would love to know more about the German culture back then. What women wore, how they lived. We don't hear enough about that.
@Westminster6cats-wr4ikSoligen was known for steel production particularly blades. It was the Sheffield of Germany.
I did think from the thumbnail that this would be one of those AI voiced videos, but was pleasantly surprised to hear a real person with a lovely accent! Great video, very informative with great perspective and easy to watch!
Was that Billy Boyd?
Wasn't this AI? Henry was Henry VIII (not 8) in few places.
I'm sure that was Neil Oliver narrating.
Sounded like Nicola Sturgeon so hit the
" Off " switch right away...!!
@Traumasamanen Maybe it was? I'm not sure, just happy it wasn't the robotic, stilted voice kinda one!
Anne was a very smart cookie. She played the system in her favour and ended up being happy and financially settled.
Calling Anne of Cleves ugly is like calling King Henry VIII a good husband 🎭🩰🎨
I think Henry disliked Anne because she rejected his kiss when he came in disguise on their first meeting and he was insulted. He retained Holbein as court painter, which suggests the portait was accurate.
Henry VIII was no oil painting himself nor did he even smell nice.
He declined a lot after falling from his horse.
How do you know?
Do you think many smelled sweet back then?
@speak_your_truth. No physician at the time would dare say that Henry was smelly, but his reported medical history indicates that he probably was. He had acquired suppurating ulcers on his legs which would not heal, for one thing. He possibly had Scurvy, and likely Diabetes type 2.
He had an ulcer on his leg from an accident that never healed, and it gave off a putrid odour. He was in constant pain and it's thought that the accident which caused him to be unconscious for a time, might have had long term effects on his behaviour. It was after that accident that he became such an obnoxious tyrant. Brain damage. Not excusing his behaviour at all, just considering the circumstances..
She dodged a bullet!
One thing Anne saw very clearly, early on. Give the King whatever he wants, be grateful for whatever he gives you and always remind him, that he’s the greatest King that ever lived. That will keep a smile on his face and the gifts will continue to roll your way! 👏🤗
@ATT-02 all that and she never had to do the deed lol.
Like her life.
Its good to be the king!
@SmokeythewelderEspecially as a Narcissistic Sociopath. .
She was the smartest of all. If he wanted a divorce, she said “absolutely, anything that’ll make you happy!” And thus she saved her life, and he even prized her with a small castle.
He probably really did feel more of a sibling vibe with her. Since he complained she was 'ugly', didn't consummate, accepted her friendship, and made sure she was taken care of later in life. He just didn't know how to express this, since he's an entitled, selfish murderer.
There isn't such a thing as a sibling vibe with a man if the woman is attractive
@naimasophie Surely there is... Probably not if she's a 10 but she could be a 7
@Sztrudel yes I agree. Anyone 8/9/10 cannot be friendzoned
for som strange weird reason this reminds me of somthing Megyn KelLy said , EEEW !
I think she was too educated to fall for his chauvinistic flirting game and compliments. The younger women, with less developed prefrontal cortexes, were simply more impressionable & more naive, and were thus a lot more likely to fall for henry's superficial charm. Educated women are harder to dominate entirely. The more vulnerable and naive a girl was, the more 'attractive' he would find them - because rather than ever loving any of his wives or mistresses, he simply had the mind of a narcissistic predator devoid of any real empathy. Even his most loyal right-hand man Thomas Cromwell, he betrayed and had executed.
Henry VIII is such a far cry from the man his father was, it's insane. He had one wife, and mourned her death with heavy grief
His father was nothing virtuous either, the murder of a young man he kept in solitary confinement from the time he was 10 years old until he had him executed at 24 was premeditated and coldblooded and stained his vaunted 'reputation' that when he wanted to gain custody of this same young man's cousin, (yet another cousin to his wife,) this was denied as it was understood Henry VII would immediately kill the young man - so, oaths and 'promises' were made, hand over the young man, I will only imprison him (for life), really. He kept that promise, with instructions to his darling son to kill Edmund as soon as he could once HE became king - something that did indeed come to pass, although Edmund's confinement under Henry VII included torture, deprivation and the usual abuse his 'dynasty' for which they were infamous. The Tower itself, a royal refuge and residence for centuries became known as Bloody Tower because of this ever so refined and enlightened 'dynasty.'
@bethwilliams4903 yeah, his father was a piece of shit too. The apple didn’t fall far.
He had no mistresses either.
@bethwilliams4903 Was Henry VII a pedo?
@ThalmorAgent-08 I wonder how things would have turned out if Richard the third had won at Bosworth ? And we had a Plantagenet King now 😳
Why is it not being said that Anne of Cleves was clearly a brilliant, astute and diplomatic woman? She was in a no win situation from the start. She came out of an unsuccessful marriage to a known wife-killer with wealth, status, royal friendship, and a good relationship with all the potential royal heirs.
aLota of ppL in ofrom An of CLvs days era times couLd'v shouLd'v Learnd from An's ethicaL moraL bhavior
Henry was a monster.
I like the use of "severance package"! Anne did well for herself to survive Henry and not have to go back home blamed for not pleasing a vain, capricious man.
It was certainly a better deal than the "severance package" Henry's next wife got!
She was not allowed to go back.
She outlived them all, even Catherine Parr. Good for her
Apparently being a literal king doesn't stop one from being utterly insecure
Anne is the only wife of Henry 8 buried in Westminster Abbey. Henry was interred in a small side crypt with Jane under St George’s chapel in Windsor. He had planned a magnificent tomb for himself made by Italian craftsmen, but it was never finished. Labourers working in the crypt in the 19th century knocked down the wall and found not only their coffins, but that of Charles 1 as well. Anne and Catherine Howard were buried under the floor of the Tower chapel, St Peter Ad Vincula. Catherine of Aragon was buried under the floor by the transept of Peterborough Cathedral. Her supporters still leave pomegranites there. Mary Queen of Scots was buried on the other side originally, but moved to Westminster abbey by her son, James 6& 1. Katherine Parr was buried in the chapel of Sudely Castle, but her tomb was destroyed in the English Civil war. Henry 8’s lavish tomb was finished and used for the internment of Admiral Lord Nelson in the Abbey.
Hell with Nelson.
Thank the Lord for Wikipedia.
I knew Anne was in Westminster, but not the rest. Thx!
Recently visited Sudely Castle, poor Catherine Parr. The things they did to her dead body. 😢
Henry sounds like an absolute madman from this story.
And maybe also a narcissist, maybe a sociopath or psychopath.
I think he may have had a twinge of Orange too...
It's a bad habit to try to stick psychological labels on moral corruption.
It’s easy to become a narcissist when you’re told you have the divining right to absolute power over an entire nation for most of your life. I’m sure the syphilis didn’t help.
@hannahshm. ulsky7119 Divine Right of absolute power.
"Divining" is a verb, which means to use witchcraft/familiar spirits to tell the future
Divination. Ol dungeons and dragons had some truth in it's fantasy didn't it?
✨ Its often said by historians & scholars that Henry & Anne became close friends after the annulment and that he valued her not just as a close confidante but as an astute advisor up until his death. His generous settlement & the fact that he allowed her to keep her head seems to support that. She was a lucky woman.
She also lookrd after his daughters.
Were they really friends or was she just people pleasing to save herself from an abuser who could still have her killed at any time?
@YamileYemoonyah A very 21st century response to a Tudor situation 🙄
@YamileYemoonyah ✨ Well, what do you think? Or more to the point - what would you have done? As *@paulnelson5144* said below - you're thinking like a modern, independent woman of today.Most, even aristocratic women then,didn't have that as an option. She did what she had to do to survive (& to live a comfortable life) so fair due to her. 🕊️ ☘️
Henry saying Anne had evil smells about her, ..Henry was probably smelling himself.
I'm sure most everyone back then, royal or peasant, had an odor about them!
to b sure, An of CLvs had no accs to Coco ChanL numbr 5 five, and but Hnry VIII Tudor dd reek of putrid uLcerated Leg wound to hi-heavn, gosip rumor has it whn he waLkd out-side London's wite towr, tha crows ravns foLowd him, jst in case a morsL of his fLsh wouLd falL-off his Leg on-to tha ground
@pfdrtom Yeah but he had a infection
@borisotawa604 Try again, in proper English, with proper spelling.
@pfdrtom she needed to attend a meeting with mayor anita massengill before her wedding night
"I WANT A DIVORCE!" ~ "Oh thank god." ~ "What’s that?" ~ "...I mean...oh nooo."
That's a good one. She probably did think that. 😂😅😊
Excellent video! I admire very much Anne of Cleves. She was a very inteligent woman, one who agreed with Henry VIII demands and became a good friend to him in such a way that he called her "sister" and always received her at Court. Very clever woman!
And was quite beautiful.
She played the game right and came up on top. 🙂🙃
@keturaequalizer Exactly! Because she was intelligent and knew that in opposing Henry VIII wishes, she would end up like Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard. Using her brilliant inteligence skills, she saved her life and was very well rewarded by the King, enjoying a very quiet and good life until her death! I also admire Catherine of Aragon very much, but in opposing Henry VIII wishes, so radically like she did, she caused more problems than solutions. Pope Clement VII tried some type of compromise, but she was undeterred! A very magnificent woman she was, and could have changed all the bad situation by being just as wise and sagacious as Anne of Cleves was.
This video is rubbish. Left out loads of facts and used the stupid footage of The Tudors.
@cplmpcocptcl6306 Are you a time traveller? How can you know what she actually looked like? She was probably an averagely good looking woman, I doubt Henry's dislike of her was solely about her appearance as this video says.
Years ago I read a hypothesis that Anne of Cleaves was a sturdily-built, busty German, but Henry liked his women to be slender waifs with boyish figures. She was so lucky to have survived and thrived.
He had a singular infatuation + chemistry with Anne Boleyn, who was slender - but that was unique. All his other wives were said to be "buxom", as was ideal in the period. And at one point he was quoted as saying, "I'm a big man; I need a big wife".
Anne of Cleves wasn’t ugly. She looked better than Henry the VIII.
Heard he burst in on Catherine of Aragon in a similar way before their Marriage and he was happy with her response. Of course she knew him and saw through his disguise. He was trying to recreate his teenage adventure.
he should have just stayed with Catherine of Aragorn 😑 ugh
Recreating an adventure with another woman is selfish and insulting.
Make a new memory with a new partner in a way that is unique to that relationship…
But had he had that kind of emotional maturity he wouldn’t have been looking in the first place.
His petulance came with pestilence.
Holbein wasn't prone to lying in his portraits. She was as he painted her. Henry obviously started the "ugly" lie because she rejected them when they first met.
To be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if his visit "in disguise" was a test she was supposed to fail: if she rejected his advances, she failed because she didnt recognize him, but if she had, she would have been "unfaithful to the King", and likely executed for it.
I think he arranged the marriage only for political reasons, but wanted nothing to do with her from before meeting her.
Add the percieved "insult" that she (purposely?) didnt see through his disguise, and its no wonder this famously petulant man wanted nothing to do with her.
Rejecting him, like she did, made concocting an adultery claim so much harder. She even followed it up by demonstrating an astounding lack of knowledge and innocence to everybody, who would listen. She was very intelligent.
My thoughts exactly. Either Henry was off his rocker or he was testing her, and it was a test she could only fail.
She dodged a bullet, got a castle+money, she would be welcomed as a vip at the king's palace and wouldn't need to be forced to get married. She hit the jackpot
She upheld her virtues as a princess of her time by rejecting a random page and was “punished” unjustly for it. She also had enough intelligence and EQ to survive in the court of a different country, much more successfully than the rest of his wives. Honestly, she just sounds like an amazing woman.
Henry on the other hand, somehow swiped right on the medieval version of tinder and expected the girl to be his new soulmate. WTF?! Then was immature enough to take revenge, but had to prove his manhood by having someone testify in court he had two wet dreams a night 😂 please send help, i’m laughing too hard and can’t breath 😂😂😂
Instead of "punishment", I think she got a get out of jail free card, and collect £200 as you pass Go!
@miaschu8175she didn’t quite get out of jail free, she was humiliated by an entire country, but after that whole mess died down she did well for herself. She was slandered and called ugly for behaving like a proper young lady who was betrothed to a king, what kind of psychopath punishes a woman for that? Oh right, Henry VIII. You can never win with a narcissist, ever.
Luckily for her, Henry didn't start an adultery campaign on her so he could behead her. She was demure and gracious and lived a very good life away from all that madness. She must have been frightened out of her mind when the rejection came and the rumors started. You know she thought he's going to kill me.
actualLy, it wasnt Hnry VIII Tudor's idea to b get re-married, he had no intrst in mor marriages aftr Jane Seymor, and he wasnt feeLing fisicalLy up-to , it was Thomas CromwL who came-up wth idea to mrry Hnry to a Grman reformation-protstant alLy, and for alL of his Hnry's fauLt's, and he had many pLnty, at Least in tha case of An ofrom CLvs, that wasnt his idea, for whch Thomas CromwL wouLd pay dearLy, Like Thomas Howard th3r Duke of NorfoLk wouLd for pushing his othr niece Cathrn Howard, on Hnry, aftr he had aLready pushd his niece An BoLyn
As intelligent and quick-witted and clever as she was, she would have made an outstanding queen.
So true
And so was Henry. He had received a top class education in the all the arts & humanities of the time. He was highly regarded for his learning.
That didn’t matter, Catharine of Aragorn was an outstanding queen. She was banished after 20 years of loyalty and denied access to her daughter because she was too old to produce a son.
She must have been very clever with her relationships, sounds like she would have been a fine queen and politician.
He was probably impotent and blamed her being the narcissist he was.
She ended up winning by becoming by choice a rich spinster, known as the Kings Sister and becoming a sort of aunt to his children
And outliving him!
The woman was clearly far more savvy than her peers. I believe it is far more likely that Anne was able to manipulate the narcissistic king to her will.
It was, mainly, a political alliance, as Henry needed the support of Anne’s brother, an enthusiastic Protestant, as an ally against hostile Catholic Continental powers. This was, probably, the main reason why Anne was treated so generously following the annulment of the marriage.
She was a very fortunate to stay friends. Too many wives had unhappy ends.
The King isn’t exactly model material himself. But his thinking that she’s ugly or in modern terms being plain, hasn’t changed in centuries where men seem to think they’re judges of beauty when they’re not exactly getting paid millions a day for their looks. Looks fade, good personalities don’t regardless of gender.
She was too old.. therefore navigated her way with intelligence through his darkness.. with success. the scene where Cromwell is talking up her beauty while Henry is insulting her is too funny omg. Good thing she didn't take it personally.. and understood her assignment.
Jane was 28.
He reacted like a child because he was embarrassed she didn’t fall all over him when he surprised her in costume. When she first arrived.
This was the best thing to happen first having to sleep with him that would be disgusting and if he didn't get a son she would have lost her head
@cplmpcocptcl6306I agree! I think that was the root of the problem. Someone should have tipped her off about what was happening.
24 was too old? That *can't* be right. Guys don't bail like that unless there is something really weird going on with them.
@mikeg2924: really weird? Hmmmm….
For someone who had the body and face of King Henry the eighth he was lucky he was king or he wouldn’t had anybody
I agree he was not attractive at all.
You're looking at the portraits of him after he got old and fat. My understanding is that as a younger man, Henry was tall, handsome and athletic. Think of Elvis Presley, young and then old. Or maybe DJT.
@powerpointpaladin6911
DJT? Oh yeah, your president.
@powerpointpaladin6911 typical injured ex-athlete problems, not being able to move anymore, still eating a lot, (and doctors of the Tim advice so for male reproductive health), and hating yourself and everything
@richardmartinez4145 hahaha
Anne of Cleves was the luckiest wife of Henry VIII, his lack of attraction towards Anne saved her life and she got a pretty good deal out of the divorce.
Always cracks me up when "pics" of Anne never show her as ugly....and yet besides Henry himself being disgusting by then, most of those other women he married didn't seem nice to look at. Crazy. I have seen MANY shows with depictions and read books. History is my fave. Thank you✌🏼😍
Henry VIII didn't smell too good himself.
If you ask me, Henry the VIII was a nasty piece of work.
13:57 and if she was too welcoming to the `stranger’ he would of accused her of something else. You couldn’t win with him.
Exactly: she was behaving modestly.
Anne of Cleves was given a property in Dartford, Kent in England. The coach house of her house still exists.
considering how long he courted and pursued her...kind of hard to believe he would marry her if he thought she was ugly.....
i think it had nothing to do with looks he was used to outgoing women who fawned over him and she was reserved, quiet, and serious in nature she didnt know how to play cards or dance and the style wasnt what he was used to those frivolous past times were frown on in germany at the time. he was full of himself his leg stunk and she didnt like it. im glad she got her freedom.
The reason was his own impotence. He blamed her, then he blamed Catherine Howard for taking a lover because she was a teenager and he was impotent. Then his final wife never became pregnant because he was impotent and she became pregnant immediately with her husband's child, though parr died in childbirth. He said ann of cleves smelled badly, while his own leg was oozing
Henry was probably impotent due to type 2 diabetes. It maybe explains his violent outbursts and why his leg ulcer failed to heal.
Type II? Probably an achievement of sorts in the era before processed food😂
@gearoiddom What? You think diseases only existed after they were given a name?
@gearoiddomsugar was available to the rich in England since the 11th century. The link below explains what Henry ate. Also the volume of food would have contributed to his obesity and therefore his diabetes.
@gearoiddom You think type 2 is only from processed food? You know there is such a thing called Google that can actually tell you the truth. Unless you like to remain ignorant I guess.
@gearoiddom Type II diabetes existed back then. It's related to diet, & Henry's diet was likely heavy on the carbs (which turn to sugar in the body) as well as probably too much meat. Not to mention he simply just ate too much, period. Yeah, Type II shows up if you eat too much processed food, but it can also show up if you're sedentary (which Henry was, due to his leg ulcers), & if you eat too much.
She was more disgusted by him than he was of her.
I’m thinking she was relieved when he didn’t want her! I would be !
Hard to explain cruelty when kindness is free
How dare he call her ugly,obviously he never looked in a mirror.
So Henry was the same as most guys today who meet a woman through a dating site: “Sorry, dude, she doesn't look anything like her picture."
Anne was treated as the Kings sister. Had two homes, was friendly with his children and was invited to all important court events.
1:39 flipping us all off for posterity
That's why he is the king