Also, Caesar’s eyes are focussed on so often because every time you see them they’re a little greener. By the end of this one his eyes are almost entirely green. Kinda symbolic of how much more like humans they’re becoming.
I would have to disagree. I think they are evolving into something new but NOT human at all. They are evolving into a new high intelligent Ape species....not human. Ape. In fact, if you saw the original series, you would already know this.
@@bryce253 this was unnecessarily rude, like not everyone had seen or even knows there’s a series. I just love the trilogy I don’t need you looking down on me cause I haven’t seen the series lmao.
Koba is one of the best written villian. Driven by pain, sadness, rage, vengeance turned to madness due to his past he could never trust humans whatsoever. Unlike Ceasar who has received compassion and love from humans Koba has never. Couldn't see that side of Humans. One of the best trilogies. Can't wait for DONKEY
When Caesar attacked Koba inside the dam, he actually made things worse because Koba felt that he was humiliated in front of everyone, including the humans. It was actually the last straw for Koba, and thus he turned on Caesar there
It’s been shown previously that Koba was the main villain just by the way he acted with deception and was tricking all the apes he was good the whole time
@@kidsontheblock2680 Yeah i knew he would become a villain at some point. Humans have villains in all of the 3 movies, apes had to have some too. You could tell from seeing him for the first time, he had malice written all over him. When he killed Jacobs, i was even more sure that hes going to be trouble later.
yeah humiliated and it was after he had heard caesar was still helping the humans after they aimed a gun at his own sons but now would instantly attack him after just saying some words. and caesars biggest issue in this film was not talking to koba after the "human work" conversation showed he was hurt he should have talked to him again or after the fight but he left it to fester both times and to let koba make his own choices when he wasnt fully informed
Koba also only experienced the worst side of humans, while Caesar also experienced the best/the good. So Koba had nothing but hate for humans and would never understood Caesar.
Caesar experienced the best but NOT ONLY the best. His neighbor, the zoo keepers were his bad experiences with humans, his mother was killed for trying to protect him. Caesar can just differentiate between the bad and good. Due to his father.
Kind of ironic that Koba dies the exact same way he killed Jacobs in _Rise of the Planet of the Apes_ as both beg for mercy and scream when they fell to their deaths. The difference is that Koba pushes Jacobs in the ocean was out of sadistic joy which eventually shaped his violent nature in this film whereas with Caesar he did it out of anger after Koba not only sought war against the humans but also held the humans and especially the other apes who followed Caesar (including Maurice) hostage and also harmed them, hence Caesar’s line to Koba before dropping him to his death: _"You are not Ape."_
I love how in every reaction for this trilogy Maurice is the cinnamon bun that must never be harmed. 🙂That being said, it´s the same for me. I love his patient, gentle, soft-spoken personality. Truly a definition of gentle giant.
45:18 Don't forget that Koba was perfectly fine in the woods with his people and he accepted Caesar as his leader until humans came back and brought out his PTSD which then triggered his hatred and fury for them.
@@madeincdaceaser lead a revolution in the first film and clearly led in peace during the space between the first and second movie . Koba showed no leader ship qualities other then enraging and misleading the apes
What I love about this trilogy is the fact that throughout the entire movies, that theme, "apes together, strong" has been constant within each planet of the apes movie. Representing exactly that, even in the worst of times. 56:47 they still follow their instincts, Cesar said, apes seek the strongest branch, meaning, even though he's alive, and even though they know, Koba betrayed him. Like his son said, they follow him out of fear. Cesar has to regain their trust to let them know that he is strong. Not in the same way as Koba, but the way he's always been a kind understanding and unbreakable leader.
8:06 in and I just wanna inform y’all that Rocket (the ape who’s son Ash got shot) is the same ape who was the top dog in the facility Caesar was taken into in Rise. So seeing him grow from a bully to Caesar’s trusted buddy is great
Not only just trusted buddy, but Caesar's closest friend and second in command. Maurice is Caesar's second best friend, only behind Rocket That's just something I honestly like
@@Pridam Bro didn’t deserve to have his son shot and thrown from a balcony in the same damn film 😭😭😭 The OG Trio, if only Buck was here, would’ve been Caesar, Maurice, Rocket, and Buck
We need a new film or short show "planet of Maurice" Maurice doesn't want to deal with fighting so he leaves on his on and goes around the world gaining more knowledge and surviving.
There is a subtle class war between Orangutans and Chimps in the original (1969, for anyone who forgot) so maybe that would be the plot line to follow for Maurice.
1:44 The neighbor was a commercial flight pilot. You missed the after credits scene of the first one when he was in an airport on his way to work, and he was bleeding from his nose. 55:47 The thing is, the apes killed dozens of humans. They won't care about what really happened. Malcolm knows the apes are just wild animals to them.
I didn't know there was gonna be a 4th movie until this reaction, and now I'm so pumped! It's called Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and it should release May 2024
Koba's hatred of humans passed its rational limit into irrational hatred. Koba would destroy all the apes if that meant destroying all humans, there's no thought beyond that.
I love it when Caesar takes Malcolm by the neck and makes them touch their foreheads. Almost as if saying "I know. It's okay. You're one of the good ones. I respect you. Stay safe out there." and then they finally say farewell. There's something utterly intimate and heartbreaking about that shot. Two different characters with a very different life but still wanting to find peace for their people.
This movie series has so much soul in it that it is always able to draw me in again and again. Thank you for reacting to this guys. Can't wait for the 3rd movie Also, very cool discussion at the end!
This was my favorite movie the year it came out. The entire trilogy is awesome but this movie just shines brightest to me! I even ended up buying the novelization and it's really good in it's own right too.
Koba...there's so much to depth, so rage, so much darkness in him. He was truly a phenomenal villain, if not one of the greatest ever, outside a superhero movie at that, lol
I love that both sides (like Marvel's Captain America Civil War) have a valid reason and it's all shades of gray, not black and white. That makes no one a real villain. Even Koba is a victim, not a true villain as his motivations stem from his treatment for years in labs. If anything, he's a tragic character, not a villain. Movies like this are more true to life than a true "hero" and true "villain" in a movie.
I don't think they are mutually exclusive, Koba was both a tragic character and a villain, at the end of the day, his choice to betray Ceasar and start a war were his own and he reveled in making those choices.
civil war has poor writing, first half talking about sokovian act but later half talking about Tony's revenge. sokovian act never got solve in that movie. what they should do is rid that Tony's revenge and shows us why ironman follow government order (for his business with government etc)
@@boboboy8189 that wasn’t the point, even though it started off political, the main villains mission was to get the avengers to turn on each other, so he used Tony’s revenge to do so. Pretty well written movie, and it’s ok if some problems didn’t get solved, cause some things in life never do 🤷♂️
Koba's descent into madness is one of the most sad and relatable villain arcs of recent cinema. The Vile Eye gave a pretty amazing reflection on him, go watch it.
This was something special to see in theaters on it's weekend premier. Packed theater, hype was unreal for this. The trailers, posters and everything...Definitely the TDK of the franchise. Koba one of the best villains.
I do think that Kobe started out genuinely being afraid of the humans and afraid for Caesar and the rest of the apes, but since his fears were partially unjustified (humans are sometimes good and can be reasoned with) and nobody was as worried as he was, he tried to seek out more information that validated his fear, radicalizing him to a point of hate.
I absolutely enjoyed the post discussions you guys have at the end of each video as it makes it more grounded and relatable. I know you won’t notice but easily my favorite moment from the film was the different contrast between Caesar and Koba respectively. Caesar who is a Chimpanzee who are known to be very violent and aggressive is shown to be gentle and wants peace, while Koba who is a Bonobo (a cousin to the Chimps) and are more gentle and social than Chimpanzees is violent and seeks war against the humans. Can’t wait for your reaction to _War of the Planet of the Apes_ reaction.
That ending scene eh! It always gives me shivers. It just invokes this feeling of Malcolm realizing he is witnessing a historic moment. I always think of the history books and wonder if this is what it would have been like to meet Sitting Bull. A thoughtful leader with a commanding presence who wanted the best for his people but knew they were facing a war that would see many losses.
For the promotional material like the big cardboard cut outs they have in theaters they had caesar with a gun on a horse. Making it seem like he was active fighting. And i even pointed it out to my friends when we were leaving the theatre. Anybody remember that?
I wish the producers who remade the Lion King sed this type of animation, whatever it’s called. Everything in this movie was realistic, but unlike in the lion King, the apes could actually express emotions using their faces.
It's motion capture. That's very difficult to with other animals..motion capture is done by actors. The dots capture their acting, movements but also their facial expressions etc. That's why it's so good, it's CGI on top of ppls faces, not just animation. It would be not only very creepy to have lions with human faces, but other animals crawl or walk on all fours. The movements would be off, unatural. It works only with human like beings. Like here the apes or like the na'avi in avatar. They just had to tape some of the actors fingers bc na'avi only have 4 and add the tail in animation. Like neytiri motion capture for example actress is Zoe Saldana who pays gamora in guardians of the galaxy.
@@greyscalesx I know it’s motion capture. But John Favroe, the guy who produced the Lion King remake talked about how high the budget for the remake was. So it would makes sense to me for him to have used motion capture. Also, they motion captured the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. If can motion capture that, they can motion capture Lions. Also, I don’t know what technology they used, but the Chronicles of Narnia gave Aslan, the lion a very expressive face. The Lion could’ve used what those producers used.
@@BSJ-Unparalleled we don't know the factors on why they couldn't do it. All we can do is speculate. But I'm pretty certain there's a reason Either way it doesn't bother Disney much since they made fun of it as well in the chip and dale movie like they were aware it wasn't all that but it is what it is
Fun fact, chimps are technically omnivores. Yes 80% of the time they eat nothing but plant matter and fruit and such, BUT they WILL hunt on occasion when they feel like eating meat. They’ll eat monkeys, turtles, birds, eggs, sometimes lizards but pretty much never snakes.
I do feel for Koba, but It’s always been strange to me how it seems that only after Koba found out humans were still alive he seemingly descended back into madness. Like he seemed to be genuinely loyal to Caesar and saw him like a brother and was even a good friend to his son. We saw him grow to love Caesar and was very happy living in the village with his fellow apes. It’s like when he saw humans again his past came back to haunt him and he wanted to get rid of it once and for all and in doing so lost everything he had gained which was a family. He did things I don’t think he would’ve ever done if he hadn’t found out about the humans. His hatred for things done to him in the past was greater than the love he had gained in the future which is quite sad to see. Very amazing story writing and character development.
At the very end after the credits you can actually hear Koba’s breathing and sounds of rubble moving around (Koba probably trying to get outta the fallen debris around him). He was originally supposed to survive the fall and come back alive in ‘War Of The Planet Of The Apes’, but they felt it was too silly for him to survive a fall like that so they kept him dead. Personally I wouldn’t complain if they did bring him back alive as I love Koba’s character. His actor Toby Kebbell also did an amazing job!
38:40 I know I'm 8 month late. But in the first movie, the grandpa is who name Caesar by that name, and when he dies, James Franco grabs a book from his bookshelf that was called "Julius Caesar" so It makes perfectly sense. I think the idea of the movie is to draw a parallel there.
THIS IS MY FAVORITE ONE! There’s just something about sequels where they get to experiment more, risk more and EXPAND MORE WITHOUT NEEDING TO CONCLUDE THE ENTIRE STORY! ❤❤❤❤❤
I feel like part which Caesar sees Will on the video is him wondering “what if I had left with him the day I closed my cage door on him, how differently things could or would have turned out”. Not necessarily him regretting it or wanting to go back in time to make that decision, just him wondering and contemplating that idea of “if”.
38:51 Ceasar‘s name is Ceasar because that‘s the name of the ape revolutionary in Conquest of the Planet of the Apes. Maurice‘s name is Maurice cause that‘s the first name of the actor of Dr. Zaius (the Orangutan from the first and second Planet of the Apes). There are a lot more nods to the original movies in terms of names.
Caesar's patience and understanding is definitely because most of the apes (except ones that don't know humans) only really ever saw the bad and malicious side of humans.. they have no reason to trust them because they couldn't ever trust them and even Maurice mentioned that he only ever saw their bad side. Caesar on the other hand, was raised and loved by humans and was treated terribly by others so he knows both sides of humanity. He knows they aren't all bad and even has the ability to trust some if need be and that's the difference between him and Koba and what makes him a better leader than Koba could ever be. Koba only knows the bad of humans and would never be able to live in peace with them because of his ignorance and hatred toward humans. Caesar's knowledge of humanity is what makes him a good leader especially if they have to live in peace alongside humans. (I do not blame Koba for his hatred btw)
This was one of the best sequel movies in my opinion. The part where Caesar watches the old home video always gets to me. He misses not only Will but also simpler times when play time with his human family was all he had to think about...
27:35 Caesar had every right to be pissed off during this scene. He cut these humans TONS of slack and let them do their work even tho it technically didn’t benefit him in any way because he had mercy on them. Plus he was already facing pressure from the other apes by trusting them so much, and they broke that trust! Brought in guns after he was very clear not to, and on top of that THREATENED his family. And Malcom had the audacity to tell Caesar to stop when he lost his cool. I was 100% rooting for the apes this whole freaking movie and didn’t care if humanity went extinct lol
58:17 They would 100% not understand Malcolm if he said whatever he is saying plus would you put your trust in a defeated ape leader to take leadership and help you as well?
Curiosity: When Gary Oldman's Character saw the Pictures of his deceased Family and his Sons, those were actually the Actors Family and Sons pictures in Real Life, they did this to make the Scene more Emotional, and guess what, they did it and it was Amazing!
"I think it's their own sign language" it's human sign because Maurice and Caesar were taught human sign. Only phrases that are exclusive to them--like ape alone weak, ape together strong--have their own signs.
39:30 LOL Hayley you just described the entire country of South Africa right now! We all get so excited when we have power!! 😂😢 Up to 10 hours everyday without power! Thanks guys for the great reaction! 🫡
Sudan is now going crazy. one of the intelligence agency said it's UAE involvement. they want to stir chaos and putting their proxy there. sound like they learned from CIA
Koba is how sentient chimps would ACTUALLY be. Out of the whole ape family chimps are the most cruel for no reason. Kinda makes sense when you know they are our closest cousins.
The thing is, Koba is a Bonobo and they are known for their calm nature and pacifism. You can only imagine what Koba went through that it made him this violent.
who said apes is among closest our cousin obviously didn't know majority of scientist said human is not related to any apes or animals, there's a reason why it's called theory of evolution and not law of evolution. you need to know the differences between theory or law
@@boboboy8189 We share almost all our DNA with them (and its amazing how the tiny fraction we dont is what makes the most important differences between the species)... so how are we not related to them? This is 100% pure scientific fact and reality sorry, their cousins, long removed but at some point we shared the same ancestor... DNA doesnt lie. Hell, interesting factoid... you me all of us even have the same amount of body hair per square inch as a chimp does.
@@NZBigfoot if DNA doesn't lie, why it's still called theory? that's my point. the answer is you in the west already got lied by scientists who want to push human is from animals. there's a missing link between us and apes. if we evolved from apes, why there's no half apes, half human today? and if human from apes, there's shouldn't be any apes today. majority of scientist today still reject that ideas because too many flaws in that assumptions. yes DNA doesn't lie but scientists who are believe theory of evolution is not honest with themselves.
The 3rd one gets kind of hard for me to watch, I think they did phenomenally mirroring the apes to the humans just like you mentioned, along with all the intelligence & consciousness comes evil and malintent as well. Fantastic franchise.
It blows my mind that you know the story of the original planet of the apes, where it turns out to be earth all along, and yet you're still surprised at the idea of the humans dying off? like how else do we get from this film to the original firm?
Gary Oldman is such a good actor I don’t get excited when I see him in anything because he’s so good at making you think he’s a good guy, until he isn’t. He hasn’t been type-cast and that makes it so much scarier 😅
21:20 hit nail on the coffin there. many of the apes look up to ceaser since he was the one pretty much "ascend" them to what they are now and for koba he respects ceaser for that. koba views on humans make sense since all his life before being freed he was a test subject. humans all they did to him was slice, inject, gas and other stuff to him to get results so that will lead to deep hatred towards them. deep down koba didnt want to kill ceaser but koba worries his ppl may go back to what they were if humans gain too much power, take over and ceaser doesnt stop them. so koba had to make a drastic choice which was the coup and war against humans.
I think the key idea of this movie is that apes and humans are on the same level. They both think they are superior for different reasons and it’s only the characters who can see both sides who try to stop this war from becoming bigger. There needed to be a large time skip so they movie could focus on the character relationships outside of the context of humans dying off first. I think it is far more interesting to do it that way and to pick up on relationships through acting and dialogue
The upcoming 4th one is called Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes & it'll more likely focus on Caesar's other son Cornelius. It's due to come out May 24th, 2024 next year. My two favorite Apes are Maurice the Orangutan & Luca the Gorilla.
Koba believes Caesar is weak because he is unwilling to fight the humans. When in reality it makes Caesar a very wise leader. A good leader evaluates a situation and looks at all the alternatives and only chooses to fight if there is no other way. If you rush blindly into battle (like Koba) then you loose lives on both sides, which is what happened when Koba took over. Apes lost their lives to a war that could’ve been avoided if Koba hadn’t struck first. This is what Caesar was trying to tell Koba, if peace is an option than a good leader searches for it. War isn’t pretty and anyone who rushes blindly into it is a fool. Koba could have let go of his hatred, but instead he let rage guide him and let his past determine his fate.
David Hewlett was the neighbor who got sneezed on. He was an airline pilot. Popular Canadian sci-fi actor he was in cube, stargate sg-1 and Atlantis, and more stuff I’m sure.
The whole “ape don’t kill ape” comment I think of that as not only Cesar won’t kill Koba but if you believe in evolution, humans are technically apes, so Cesar won’t kill humans.
I love how the film perpetuates the idea of humanity in both the apes and in the humans. Both sides have a human goal, both sides act out of fear and desperation. Both sides strive for love and a sustainable future with the ones they call family. Both sides are flawed and imperfect. Both sides when fear trumps reason, act out in violence. Both sides perpetuate the theme of the "Us Versus them" mentality. The concept is not a particularly complex one, its even in the name its Us Versus Them. We tend to take people in the out-group and pose them as the enemies, even if they're not and we tend to take people in the in-group and pose them as the heroes, even if they're not. We create superficial barriers between us and them in order to enable these mentalities and perpetuate an increasing fear for the them and reverence for the us (creating hostility and conflict over our differences). just perceived differences and separation can result in us versus them mentalities that can lead to very genuine conflict. This, therefore, makes the conflict in the film feel very real and extremely interpersonal to both the characters and us the audience because we can relate to both sides of the conflict. We can in turn relate to the internal lives of these characters. Most of what I said here was from an analytical video by StoryStreet which I recommend you watch, as it showcases even more themes present in the film that I didn't even catch when I first watched the film, which in turn made me appreciate this film and war for the planet of the apes even more. ruclips.net/video/uxEEOPs0HUk/видео.html&ab_channel=StoryStreet
Yes! By all means, watch the original! It was a must-see film for everyone growing up at that time & still holds a special place in our hearts. And I think, even though it may seem ancient for people your age, you can & will still appreciate it on many levels. Hope you do. Looking forward to what you have to say afterward. 💙🌿💙🌿💙🌿💙🌿💙☮
23:50 A bit of history, the battleship in the background was most likely meant to be USS Iowa (BB-61) since she was interned at Suisun Bay Reserve Fleet (near San Francisco) since 2001. Even though by 2010 the Iowa was being refitted to become a museum ship, the Navy donation contract states that the Navy can take back any donated ship for any reason. With the civil unrest that preceded this movie, the Navy likely retook possession of the Iowa for reactivation. A neat detail is that Turret 2 is out of alignment since Iowa's Turret 2 was never fully repaired after the 1989 explosion. There are a few details wrong with the Iowa's portrayal (e.g. missing conning tower, misplaced missile launchers) but it's a nicely modeled for the few brief moments it was shown. It's likely a CGI model (and it looks great considering the rest of the CGI in the film) but it looks like it could've been a physical miniature put in the background.
The irony about Koba’s character is that his hatred for humans made him end up becoming just like them. His character took a massive turn so much so that he broke ape laws, enslaved his own kind, and even killed his fellow apes. Through his hatred for the humans he ended up becoming more like the them than any of the other apes. It’s like a great man once said: _”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
Kinda like Stalin - who was nicknamed Koba He dreamed of collective leadership to give power to everyone but ended up turning into a dictator and taking power away from everyone He grew up being arrested and ended up arresting his own citizens instead of changing it Perpetuation instead of change
One of my biggest pet peeves is people calling apes monkeys 😭 like the dude in the first movie said “ He’s NOT a monkey, he’s an APE” Edit: I know they know, I’m just saying. Please don’t come for me 😂
You also have to keep in mind with Kona's ideology that he was kept in captivity and experimented on by humans most of his life. It fuels an underlying motivation for revenge. We see people go on murdering sprees for less.
55:10 If Malcolm did try to talk before he aimed the gun at them and they didn’t believe him then he would have ruined his element of surprise, they would know he works for the ape and stop him for taking the gun. He could maybe explain it better when he had the gun but he needed to make sure they weren’t able to stop him once they knew
Who is your favorite Ape besides Ceasar?
Maurice
Koba & Maurice is good too
Koba and Rocket
Maurice
Maurice hes literally THE homie
Flawless trilogy that was grossly overlooked when it first came out.
the first one was but 2 &3 wasnt overlooked
@@CheGuevara-uf4pmyeah. Definitely not 3. The 3rd was a big boo boo.
Huge flaws in the last 2
@@Dropnostop i had problems with all 3 movies i was just saying 2 and 3 wasn't overlooked
IKR? Better than LOTR
I love Maurice's voice so much I truly wish he talked more throughout the trilogy
I think what makes it even more special is that we don't hear it much.
@@painstakeranimations9253 I agree, that " run " has almost the same effect on me as Caesars first " NOOO ". Chills every time.
I love Maurice too. I was like Nobu as well, if Maurice dies then I'm done.
Also, Caesar’s eyes are focussed on so often because every time you see them they’re a little greener. By the end of this one his eyes are almost entirely green. Kinda symbolic of how much more like humans they’re becoming.
I would have to disagree. I think they are evolving into something new but NOT human at all. They are evolving into a new high intelligent Ape species....not human. Ape.
In fact, if you saw the original series, you would already know this.
@@bryce253 okay sorry? So the last bits wrong, no reason to be snooty about it goddamn.
@@bryce253 this was unnecessarily rude, like not everyone had seen or even knows there’s a series. I just love the trilogy I don’t need you looking down on me cause I haven’t seen the series lmao.
@@bryce253 just an fyi smartass, humans are literally considered great apes. So human/ more intelligent apes? Same damn thing.
@@bryce253this isn't the original series. It's more of a spin off than anything so idk why you're even bringing it up
Koba is one of the best written villian. Driven by pain, sadness, rage, vengeance turned to madness due to his past he could never trust humans whatsoever. Unlike Ceasar who has received compassion and love from humans Koba has never. Couldn't see that side of Humans. One of the best trilogies. Can't wait for DONKEY
It's amazing how Caesar understands humans when he said they will not forgive. The apes developed emotional intelligence which is fascinating.
it was developed in the 1st movie
When Caesar attacked Koba inside the dam, he actually made things worse because Koba felt that he was humiliated in front of everyone, including the humans. It was actually the last straw for Koba, and thus he turned on Caesar there
It’s been shown previously that Koba was the main villain just by the way he acted with deception and was tricking all the apes he was good the whole time
@@kidsontheblock2680 Yeah i knew he would become a villain at some point. Humans have villains in all of the 3 movies, apes had to have some too. You could tell from seeing him for the first time, he had malice written all over him. When he killed Jacobs, i was even more sure that hes going to be trouble later.
yeah humiliated and it was after he had heard caesar was still helping the humans after they aimed a gun at his own sons but now would instantly attack him after just saying some words. and caesars biggest issue in this film was not talking to koba after the "human work" conversation showed he was hurt he should have talked to him again or after the fight but he left it to fester both times and to let koba make his own choices when he wasnt fully informed
Koba also only experienced the worst side of humans, while Caesar also experienced the best/the good. So Koba had nothing but hate for humans and would never understood Caesar.
Caesar experienced the best but NOT ONLY the best. His neighbor, the zoo keepers were his bad experiences with humans, his mother was killed for trying to protect him. Caesar can just differentiate between the bad and good. Due to his father.
It’s so funny that every reaction I see of this movie, everyone calls for Koba’s head when Maurice gets shot
Can’t blame them though, I also love him
Maurice must be protected at all costs
Kind of ironic that Koba dies the exact same way he killed Jacobs in _Rise of the Planet of the Apes_ as both beg for mercy and scream when they fell to their deaths. The difference is that Koba pushes Jacobs in the ocean was out of sadistic joy which eventually shaped his violent nature in this film whereas with Caesar he did it out of anger after Koba not only sought war against the humans but also held the humans and especially the other apes who followed Caesar (including Maurice) hostage and also harmed them, hence Caesar’s line to Koba before dropping him to his death: _"You are not Ape."_
I love how in every reaction for this trilogy Maurice is the cinnamon bun that must never be harmed. 🙂That being said, it´s the same for me. I love his patient, gentle, soft-spoken personality. Truly a definition of gentle giant.
one can argue what koba did was justified anf fair
Koba killed Jacob on order of Caesar.
@@amer1865 Yeah and again, that action would eventually shaped him into his murderous nature in the sequel (Dawn of the Planet of the Apes).
@@amer1865 No, that was his own choice and justified.
45:18 Don't forget that Koba was perfectly fine in the woods with his people and he accepted Caesar as his leader until humans came back and brought out his PTSD which then triggered his hatred and fury for them.
He still is a murderous pscopath
Caesar is a much better leader of the apes than Koba ever would. Caesar is also a great father to his children as well.
No shit my guy. Talking like a whole npc
Koba wasn't interested in being leader more wanted revenge
Depends if there's a war or not. Each to their strengths. A leader in war isn't the same as a leader in peace.
The entire movie literally want us to think that way 😑
@@madeincdaceaser lead a revolution in the first film and clearly led in peace during the space between the first and second movie . Koba showed no leader ship qualities other then enraging and misleading the apes
Maurice and Rocket are the homies, hands down 😌 literally followed my man through years and got his back, such a great movie 🔥🔥🔥
What I love about this trilogy is the fact that throughout the entire movies, that theme, "apes together, strong" has been constant within each planet of the apes movie. Representing exactly that, even in the worst of times.
56:47 they still follow their instincts, Cesar said, apes seek the strongest branch, meaning, even though he's alive, and even though they know, Koba betrayed him. Like his son said, they follow him out of fear. Cesar has to regain their trust to let them know that he is strong. Not in the same way as Koba, but the way he's always been a kind understanding and unbreakable leader.
8:06 in and I just wanna inform y’all that Rocket (the ape who’s son Ash got shot) is the same ape who was the top dog in the facility Caesar was taken into in Rise.
So seeing him grow from a bully to Caesar’s trusted buddy is great
Not only just trusted buddy, but Caesar's closest friend and second in command. Maurice is Caesar's second best friend, only behind Rocket
That's just something I honestly like
@@Pridam Bro didn’t deserve to have his son shot and thrown from a balcony in the same damn film 😭😭😭
The OG Trio, if only Buck was here, would’ve been Caesar, Maurice, Rocket, and Buck
@@biglion4631 Oh that's definitely true. Man it's such a great trilogy
@@biglion4631very true. Koba shouldn’t have been in command as well
I like how with his son, "Blue Eyes", it implies that there is already a mutation going on, a further development.
WOW interesting, I had never thought of it that way...👀🤔
Me blind as hell... 😯😯😯😯😯 I didn't have this detail till now.
@@dadatosu4702 Don't worry, I usually don't get any such details right away, some things I only see after a few watches ^^
@@dadatosu4702his name is Blue Eyes..
As terrible as Koba is in this movie, you have to admit that that part where he's on horseback with 2 guns was pretty badass.
Huge rally point
We need a new film or short show "planet of Maurice" Maurice doesn't want to deal with fighting so he leaves on his on and goes around the world gaining more knowledge and surviving.
I’d totally watch that 👍
I can see it as a mini series for Maurice
There is a subtle class war between Orangutans and Chimps in the original (1969, for anyone who forgot) so maybe that would be the plot line to follow for Maurice.
1:44 The neighbor was a commercial flight pilot. You missed the after credits scene of the first one when he was in an airport on his way to work, and he was bleeding from his nose.
55:47 The thing is, the apes killed dozens of humans. They won't care about what really happened. Malcolm knows the apes are just wild animals to them.
Yeah it showed how the whole virus spread across the world in a cool animation
Yeah it showed how the whole virus spread across the world in a cool animation
That neighbor really was unlucky
Maurice mentioned in the begining that it has passed 10 winters since they last saw humans.
10 winters have passed since they began living in the Red Woods. In the last 2 years, there had been no signs of humans
I didn't know there was gonna be a 4th movie until this reaction, and now I'm so pumped! It's called Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and it should release May 2024
Omgggggggff
Koba's hatred of humans passed its rational limit into irrational hatred. Koba would destroy all the apes if that meant destroying all humans, there's no thought beyond that.
I love it when Caesar takes Malcolm by the neck and makes them touch their foreheads. Almost as if saying "I know. It's okay. You're one of the good ones. I respect you. Stay safe out there." and then they finally say farewell.
There's something utterly intimate and heartbreaking about that shot. Two different characters with a very different life but still wanting to find peace for their people.
The intro to this movie always gets me. And the music is so good also, Michael Giacchino really outdid himself.
This movie series has so much soul in it that it is always able to draw me in again and again. Thank you for reacting to this guys. Can't wait for the 3rd movie
Also, very cool discussion at the end!
Koba was such a good character imo.
I just adore the fact you can hear parts of the original score throughout all three of the movies
Such a great second chapter in this series. Can't wait for war it's gonna be a tear jerker
This was my favorite movie the year it came out. The entire trilogy is awesome but this movie just shines brightest to me! I even ended up buying the novelization and it's really good in it's own right too.
Koba...there's so much to depth, so rage, so much darkness in him. He was truly a phenomenal villain, if not one of the greatest ever, outside a superhero movie at that, lol
I love that both sides (like Marvel's Captain America Civil War) have a valid reason and it's all shades of gray, not black and white. That makes no one a real villain. Even Koba is a victim, not a true villain as his motivations stem from his treatment for years in labs. If anything, he's a tragic character, not a villain. Movies like this are more true to life than a true "hero" and true "villain" in a movie.
Nah mate. Koba definitely a villain 😂
I don't think they are mutually exclusive, Koba was both a tragic character and a villain, at the end of the day, his choice to betray Ceasar and start a war were his own and he reveled in making those choices.
civil war has poor writing, first half talking about sokovian act but later half talking about Tony's revenge. sokovian act never got solve in that movie. what they should do is rid that Tony's revenge and shows us why ironman follow government order (for his business with government etc)
@@boboboy8189 that wasn’t the point, even though it started off political, the main villains mission was to get the avengers to turn on each other, so he used Tony’s revenge to do so. Pretty well written movie, and it’s ok if some problems didn’t get solved, cause some things in life never do 🤷♂️
Victim and Villain are not mutually exclusive. Koba is absolutely both
Koba's descent into madness is one of the most sad and relatable villain arcs of recent cinema.
The Vile Eye gave a pretty amazing reflection on him, go watch it.
This was something special to see in theaters on it's weekend premier. Packed theater, hype was unreal for this. The trailers, posters and everything...Definitely the TDK of the franchise.
Koba one of the best villains.
I do think that Kobe started out genuinely being afraid of the humans and afraid for Caesar and the rest of the apes, but since his fears were partially unjustified (humans are sometimes good and can be reasoned with) and nobody was as worried as he was, he tried to seek out more information that validated his fear, radicalizing him to a point of hate.
Koba not Kobe 😂
I absolutely enjoyed the post discussions you guys have at the end of each video as it makes it more grounded and relatable. I know you won’t notice but easily my favorite moment from the film was the different contrast between Caesar and Koba respectively. Caesar who is a Chimpanzee who are known to be very violent and aggressive is shown to be gentle and wants peace, while Koba who is a Bonobo (a cousin to the Chimps) and are more gentle and social than Chimpanzees is violent and seeks war against the humans.
Can’t wait for your reaction to _War of the Planet of the Apes_ reaction.
That ending scene eh! It always gives me shivers. It just invokes this feeling of Malcolm realizing he is witnessing a historic moment. I always think of the history books and wonder if this is what it would have been like to meet Sitting Bull. A thoughtful leader with a commanding presence who wanted the best for his people but knew they were facing a war that would see many losses.
38:51 Koba's name definitely has symbolic meaning too -- "Koba" was a school nickname for Josef Stalin
For the promotional material like the big cardboard cut outs they have in theaters they had caesar with a gun on a horse. Making it seem like he was active fighting. And i even pointed it out to my friends when we were leaving the theatre. Anybody remember that?
I wish the producers who remade the Lion King sed this type of animation, whatever it’s called. Everything in this movie was realistic, but unlike in the lion King, the apes could actually express emotions using their faces.
It's motion capture. That's very difficult to with other animals..motion capture is done by actors. The dots capture their acting, movements but also their facial expressions etc.
That's why it's so good, it's CGI on top of ppls faces, not just animation.
It would be not only very creepy to have lions with human faces, but other animals crawl or walk on all fours. The movements would be off, unatural.
It works only with human like beings.
Like here the apes or like the na'avi in avatar.
They just had to tape some of the actors fingers bc na'avi only have 4 and add the tail in animation.
Like neytiri motion capture for example actress is Zoe Saldana who pays gamora in guardians of the galaxy.
@@greyscalesx I know it’s motion capture. But John Favroe, the guy who produced the Lion King remake talked about how high the budget for the remake was. So it would makes sense to me for him to have used motion capture. Also, they motion captured the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. If can motion capture that, they can motion capture Lions. Also, I don’t know what technology they used, but the Chronicles of Narnia gave Aslan, the lion a very expressive face. The Lion could’ve used what those producers used.
@@BSJ-Unparalleledthey mo-capped Benedict Cumberbatch as Smaug. If they can do that they can do it with lions.
@@fightingfaerie DEFINITELY
@@BSJ-Unparalleled we don't know the factors on why they couldn't do it. All we can do is speculate. But I'm pretty certain there's a reason
Either way it doesn't bother Disney much since they made fun of it as well in the chip and dale movie like they were aware it wasn't all that but it is what it is
Maurice was like "one step closer and i'll rip your arms off, Koba"
Koba is such a good villain. His motivations, his backstory, his appearance, he’s just awesome.
Fun fact, chimps are technically omnivores. Yes 80% of the time they eat nothing but plant matter and fruit and such, BUT they WILL hunt on occasion when they feel like eating meat. They’ll eat monkeys, turtles, birds, eggs, sometimes lizards but pretty much never snakes.
Also it is ASL, because in the first movie Will taught Ceaser, and then he taught the ape family
Plus Maurice also knew it before the first movie timeline as well.
"I hate every ape I see from Chimpan-A to Chimpan-Z" every time I see of one of these reactions I get this song stuck in my head for the whole day...
I do feel for Koba, but It’s always been strange to me how it seems that only after Koba found out humans were still alive he seemingly descended back into madness. Like he seemed to be genuinely loyal to Caesar and saw him like a brother and was even a good friend to his son. We saw him grow to love Caesar and was very happy living in the village with his fellow apes. It’s like when he saw humans again his past came back to haunt him and he wanted to get rid of it once and for all and in doing so lost everything he had gained which was a family. He did things I don’t think he would’ve ever done if he hadn’t found out about the humans. His hatred for things done to him in the past was greater than the love he had gained in the future which is quite sad to see. Very amazing story writing and character development.
At the very end after the credits you can actually hear Koba’s breathing and sounds of rubble moving around (Koba probably trying to get outta the fallen debris around him). He was originally supposed to survive the fall and come back alive in ‘War Of The Planet Of The Apes’, but they felt it was too silly for him to survive a fall like that so they kept him dead. Personally I wouldn’t complain if they did bring him back alive as I love Koba’s character. His actor Toby Kebbell also did an amazing job!
38:40 I know I'm 8 month late. But in the first movie, the grandpa is who name Caesar by that name, and when he dies, James Franco grabs a book from his bookshelf that was called "Julius Caesar" so It makes perfectly sense. I think the idea of the movie is to draw a parallel there.
Serkis deserves all the accolades in the world for being such a consistently amazing motion-capture actor 😊
THIS IS MY FAVORITE ONE! There’s just something about sequels where they get to experiment more, risk more and EXPAND MORE WITHOUT NEEDING TO CONCLUDE THE ENTIRE STORY! ❤❤❤❤❤
I feel like part which Caesar sees Will on the video is him wondering “what if I had left with him the day I closed my cage door on him, how differently things could or would have turned out”. Not necessarily him regretting it or wanting to go back in time to make that decision, just him wondering and contemplating that idea of “if”.
7:55 blue eyes just said go
38:51 Ceasar‘s name is Ceasar because that‘s the name of the ape revolutionary in Conquest of the Planet of the Apes.
Maurice‘s name is Maurice cause that‘s the first name of the actor of Dr. Zaius (the Orangutan from the first and second Planet of the Apes).
There are a lot more nods to the original movies in terms of names.
Caesar's patience and understanding is definitely because most of the apes (except ones that don't know humans) only really ever saw the bad and malicious side of humans.. they have no reason to trust them because they couldn't ever trust them and even Maurice mentioned that he only ever saw their bad side. Caesar on the other hand, was raised and loved by humans and was treated terribly by others so he knows both sides of humanity. He knows they aren't all bad and even has the ability to trust some if need be and that's the difference between him and Koba and what makes him a better leader than Koba could ever be. Koba only knows the bad of humans and would never be able to live in peace with them because of his ignorance and hatred toward humans. Caesar's knowledge of humanity is what makes him a good leader especially if they have to live in peace alongside humans. (I do not blame Koba for his hatred btw)
52:25 Well, it was plugged in, and they did bring the power back on...
37:59 I love how Maurice told them run. He knew some suspicious bull crap was going on. 💀💀
This was one of the best sequel movies in my opinion. The part where Caesar watches the old home video always gets to me. He misses not only Will but also simpler times when play time with his human family was all he had to think about...
Toby Kebbel who played Koba also played Kong in Kong: Skull Island. Andy Serkis also played Kong in the 2005 Peter Jackson adaptation.
This is a great example of 'There is not one single truth, and everyone has some reason to be who they are'.
1:01:27 Nobu: "Ight, Imma head out". Lol this channel 😂
27:35 Caesar had every right to be pissed off during this scene. He cut these humans TONS of slack and let them do their work even tho it technically didn’t benefit him in any way because he had mercy on them. Plus he was already facing pressure from the other apes by trusting them so much, and they broke that trust! Brought in guns after he was very clear not to, and on top of that THREATENED his family. And Malcom had the audacity to tell Caesar to stop when he lost his cool. I was 100% rooting for the apes this whole freaking movie and didn’t care if humanity went extinct lol
Me too. The humans just annoyed me (exept for the Doctor and the boy. They could have just been adopted by the apes).
The music in this movie.... Chills everytime when they ride down to the colony
Every Caeser must have his Brutus. And that is a line from one of the earlier entries in the "Planet of the Apes" franchise.
58:17 They would 100% not understand Malcolm if he said whatever he is saying plus would you put your trust in a defeated ape leader to take leadership and help you as well?
Curiosity: When Gary Oldman's Character saw the Pictures of his deceased Family and his Sons, those were actually the Actors Family and Sons pictures in Real Life, they did this to make the Scene more Emotional, and guess what, they did it and it was Amazing!
"I think it's their own sign language" it's human sign because Maurice and Caesar were taught human sign. Only phrases that are exclusive to them--like ape alone weak, ape together strong--have their own signs.
So much fun thanks for the reaction!
The moment Covid 19 spread, I immediately thought of this movie's intro.
39:30 LOL Hayley you just described the entire country of South Africa right now! We all get so excited when we have power!! 😂😢 Up to 10 hours everyday without power!
Thanks guys for the great reaction! 🫡
Sudan is now going crazy. one of the intelligence agency said it's UAE involvement. they want to stir chaos and putting their proxy there. sound like they learned from CIA
In Cuba it gets so bad, the people have stopped saying apagones (blackouts), and use alumbrones (whiteouts) instead.
22:33 I know a mental handicap person who wears a blue and white baseball cap and he's the nicest person ever. :P
Koba is how sentient chimps would ACTUALLY be. Out of the whole ape family chimps are the most cruel for no reason. Kinda makes sense when you know they are our closest cousins.
The thing is, Koba is a Bonobo and they are known for their calm nature and pacifism. You can only imagine what Koba went through that it made him this violent.
who said apes is among closest our cousin obviously didn't know majority of scientist said human is not related to any apes or animals, there's a reason why it's called theory of evolution and not law of evolution. you need to know the differences between theory or law
@@boboboy8189 We share almost all our DNA with them (and its amazing how the tiny fraction we dont is what makes the most important differences between the species)... so how are we not related to them? This is 100% pure scientific fact and reality sorry, their cousins, long removed but at some point we shared the same ancestor... DNA doesnt lie.
Hell, interesting factoid... you me all of us even have the same amount of body hair per square inch as a chimp does.
@@NZBigfoot if DNA doesn't lie, why it's still called theory? that's my point. the answer is you in the west already got lied by scientists who want to push human is from animals. there's a missing link between us and apes. if we evolved from apes, why there's no half apes, half human today? and if human from apes, there's shouldn't be any apes today.
majority of scientist today still reject that ideas because too many flaws in that assumptions. yes DNA doesn't lie but scientists who are believe theory of evolution is not honest with themselves.
@@NZBigfoot Facts!
Again, you guys going 'oooh-oooh-oooh' when startled makes this reaction XD
The 3rd one gets kind of hard for me to watch, I think they did phenomenally mirroring the apes to the humans just like you mentioned, along with all the intelligence & consciousness comes evil and malintent as well. Fantastic franchise.
32:48 I'm actually shocked no one picked up on the implication of that threat
It was the sign language Caesar learned
Everything about this movie is perfection.
The neighbour was a pilot. So he was spreading it EVERYWHERE.
And mostlikly everone else who got in contact with him at the airport it is like in "Twelve Monkeys".
It blows my mind that you know the story of the original planet of the apes, where it turns out to be earth all along, and yet you're still surprised at the idea of the humans dying off? like how else do we get from this film to the original firm?
Gary Oldman is such a good actor I don’t get excited when I see him in anything because he’s so good at making you think he’s a good guy, until he isn’t. He hasn’t been type-cast and that makes it so much scarier 😅
While I don’t agree with his character, you can understand where he’s coming from.
Maurice said 10 winters have past with no sightings of humans which means ten years!!
They know that
@@animearts3 they actually didn't because they actually asked how long it has been so 👌 be gone
@@U-Gozoo They did, they talked about it at the end of the video.
"he's exactly like scar in the lion king"
both this movie and the lion king are based on hamlet!
The kid Alexander who is actually is Nightcrawler in X Men Apocalypse and X Men Dark Phoenix
21:20 hit nail on the coffin there. many of the apes look up to ceaser since he was the one pretty much "ascend" them to what they are now and for koba he respects ceaser for that. koba views on humans make sense since all his life before being freed he was a test subject. humans all they did to him was slice, inject, gas and other stuff to him to get results so that will lead to deep hatred towards them. deep down koba didnt want to kill ceaser but koba worries his ppl may go back to what they were if humans gain too much power, take over and ceaser doesnt stop them. so koba had to make a drastic choice which was the coup and war against humans.
I think the key idea of this movie is that apes and humans are on the same level. They both think they are superior for different reasons and it’s only the characters who can see both sides who try to stop this war from becoming bigger. There needed to be a large time skip so they movie could focus on the character relationships outside of the context of humans dying off first. I think it is far more interesting to do it that way and to pick up on relationships through acting and dialogue
it's like X-Men. prof x and magneto. but the writing is poor in marvel side
It was Caesar who spoke. And everyone in the city is immune or they would have died. It is airborne
The upcoming 4th one is called Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes & it'll more likely focus on Caesar's other son Cornelius. It's due to come out May 24th, 2024 next year.
My two favorite Apes are Maurice the Orangutan & Luca the Gorilla.
The new movie will be set 300 years later. NOT within Cornelius' lifetime
Koba believes Caesar is weak because he is unwilling to fight the humans. When in reality it makes Caesar a very wise leader. A good leader evaluates a situation and looks at all the alternatives and only chooses to fight if there is no other way. If you rush blindly into battle (like Koba) then you loose lives on both sides, which is what happened when Koba took over. Apes lost their lives to a war that could’ve been avoided if Koba hadn’t struck first. This is what Caesar was trying to tell Koba, if peace is an option than a good leader searches for it. War isn’t pretty and anyone who rushes blindly into it is a fool. Koba could have let go of his hatred, but instead he let rage guide him and let his past determine his fate.
David Hewlett was the neighbor who got sneezed on. He was an airline pilot. Popular Canadian sci-fi actor he was in cube, stargate sg-1 and Atlantis, and more stuff I’m sure.
The whole “ape don’t kill ape” comment I think of that as not only Cesar won’t kill Koba but if you believe in evolution, humans are technically apes, so Cesar won’t kill humans.
I love how the film perpetuates the idea of humanity in both the apes and in the humans. Both sides have a human goal, both sides act out of fear and desperation. Both sides strive for love and a sustainable future with the ones they call family. Both sides are flawed and imperfect. Both sides when fear trumps reason, act out in violence. Both sides perpetuate the theme of the "Us Versus them" mentality. The concept is not a particularly complex one, its even in the name its Us Versus Them. We tend to take people in the out-group and pose them as the enemies, even if they're not and we tend to take people in the in-group and pose them as the heroes, even if they're not. We create superficial barriers between us and them in order to enable these mentalities and perpetuate an increasing fear for the them and reverence for the us (creating hostility and conflict over our differences). just perceived differences and separation can result in us versus them mentalities that can lead to very genuine conflict. This, therefore, makes the conflict in the film feel very real and extremely interpersonal to both the characters and us the audience because we can relate to both sides of the conflict. We can in turn relate to the internal lives of these characters. Most of what I said here was from an analytical video by StoryStreet which I recommend you watch, as it showcases even more themes present in the film that I didn't even catch when I first watched the film, which in turn made me appreciate this film and war for the planet of the apes even more. ruclips.net/video/uxEEOPs0HUk/видео.html&ab_channel=StoryStreet
Yes! By all means, watch the original! It was a must-see film for everyone growing up at that time & still holds a special place in our hearts.
And I think, even though it may seem ancient for people your age, you can & will still appreciate it on many levels.
Hope you do. Looking forward to what you have to say afterward.
💙🌿💙🌿💙🌿💙🌿💙☮
This trilogy is a modern day classic 💯
23:50 A bit of history, the battleship in the background was most likely meant to be USS Iowa (BB-61) since she was interned at Suisun Bay Reserve Fleet (near San Francisco) since 2001. Even though by 2010 the Iowa was being refitted to become a museum ship, the Navy donation contract states that the Navy can take back any donated ship for any reason. With the civil unrest that preceded this movie, the Navy likely retook possession of the Iowa for reactivation. A neat detail is that Turret 2 is out of alignment since Iowa's Turret 2 was never fully repaired after the 1989 explosion.
There are a few details wrong with the Iowa's portrayal (e.g. missing conning tower, misplaced missile launchers) but it's a nicely modeled for the few brief moments it was shown. It's likely a CGI model (and it looks great considering the rest of the CGI in the film) but it looks like it could've been a physical miniature put in the background.
For how much Koba hated humanity, his quest to destroy them led to him becoming more like them than any other ape at the time.
11:53
Caesar spoke american sign language in the first film, but over time the apes developed their own dialect
The irony about Koba’s character is that his hatred for humans made him end up becoming just like them. His character took a massive turn so much so that he broke ape laws, enslaved his own kind, and even killed his fellow apes. Through his hatred for the humans he ended up becoming more like the them than any of the other apes.
It’s like a great man once said: _”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
Kinda like Stalin - who was nicknamed Koba
He dreamed of collective leadership to give power to everyone but ended up turning into a dictator and taking power away from everyone
He grew up being arrested and ended up arresting his own citizens instead of changing it
Perpetuation instead of change
One of my biggest pet peeves is people calling apes monkeys 😭 like the dude in the first movie said “ He’s NOT a monkey, he’s an APE”
Edit: I know they know, I’m just saying. Please don’t come for me 😂
Hands down, Maurice❤️ thank you guys!
You also have to keep in mind with Kona's ideology that he was kept in captivity and experimented on by humans most of his life. It fuels an underlying motivation for revenge. We see people go on murdering sprees for less.
55:10 If Malcolm did try to talk before he aimed the gun at them and they didn’t believe him then he would have ruined his element of surprise, they would know he works for the ape and stop him for taking the gun. He could maybe explain it better when he had the gun but he needed to make sure they weren’t able to stop him once they knew
39:09 That's such a good point, and a fascinating aspect of this movie. With intellect comes... "human" nature.
Koba's first defiance starts when he starts to speak before Cesar since Cesar's first weapon was literally his voice...