I've got a Savage .308 Win what's the comparison to the 6.5 Cred on overall effective kill range and what's the comparison on the drop between 600-1200 yards.(of course you can hit steel at a mile but not much punch) I've heard the 6.5 is effective to a 1000-1200 tops. I've heard the drop is minimal to about 600-800 yards. I've been looking to get a more modern rifle and the 6.5 Norton caught my eye. I'm here because the 300 win mag is on my heart heavy 😆 I'd like something effective to a mile but being realistic that's pushing any creed. I really like .338 Lapua but the round price and weight of such a rifle doesn't make it right for everything. I think the .300 is lighter and overall a bit shorter, no doubt cheaper round to fire. By chance have you used any of the modern ATN X-Sight Night vision 4k scopes. I think those suckers are sweet and appear to have good reviews. The tech package and ergonomics seem real slick n streamlined.
I use 230 grain Berger OTM Hybrids. Use heavy for calibre, and the 300 will Bury the 6.5. Use what you like, but 178 grain from a 300 Win Mag, isn't anywhere near giving it its full potential. The new 230 SMK has a BC of 0.8. Each to their own, but I really love my 300 Win Mag.
Cheers from the free new Zealand..I can have everything that you can have with the only difference that we can't carry. On top of that we don't have waiting times on hand guns or long rifle's. Also silencers are available over the counter without registration , waiting time or extra tax. You're welcome mate;)
Texas Plinking same with rifles or hand guns. You walk in a gun shop, pick what you want and take it home with you. Great channel btw, looking forward to much more good content.
Henning Radasewski the waiting times for firearm purchases only exists in anti gun states here. Most states you walk in and walk out in 10minutes. All 50 states are different and some cities within the states are specifically restricting as well
Judging by the comments, I must be the only one that knows the 6.5 was meant to mimic the trajectory of 300wm but with less recoil for competition use. Also in this video and in the 308comparison it bugs me that he's using the optimal weight bullet for 6.5 but the other calibers are light for caliber with horrible BCs.
Texas Plinking I think 6cm is going to have a hard time gaining traction. It doesn't have as much hunting traction as 6.5cm. Some people love hunting medium game with 6mm/243 but for a lot of people it doesn't give them the "knockdown" power that they want. They have to overcome that stigma if they want it to be successful
Dalton v , agreed on the hunting. The 6.0 Creedmore is more of a target round, a lot of PRS shooters use this round due to its high BC bullet, low wind drift and low bullet drop at long range.
horrible comparison... you're using quality rounds for 6.5 creedmoor & poor shit rounds for 300 win mag. you have no idea what you're talking about, neither does the guy making the video haha
I guess bullet technology improved a lot since this vid. 300 WM now can get 250 grain a-tips with a 0.80 BC if you hand load. I believe you need a 8.5-9 twist thought for those. But even 220 grainers with 1:10 have some 0.65 + BC bullets now readily available
We can have lots of different calibres in Britain too but each has to licensed for a reason. Suppressors are totally normal and in fact the Police usually remind you to apply (no extra cost) for one for each calibre as it is the norm here.
I dont understand why all of these this vs this videos take basically the best performing round for one caliber and compare it to a poor performing round out of another. If you want to compare the two take the best that both can offer. I own both calibers in identical guns. Load the best that bergers got in both and the 300 will swallow the creed whole at extended ranges. Yes the creedmoor is more enjoyable to shoot. Does it outperform it? No. It has less bc , less velocity and a 70 grain weight difference, Go figure.
Oh my does gsxr know you said that I'm telling that does it😂😂😂 soon as he gets out of his moms basement he's having a call of duty tournament right now when it's over you have had the lick
When I first got my DTA SRS with a 338lm, 300wm, and 308 barrel's, I spent like 6 months shooting nothing but the .338 Lapua mag. One day I couldn't find .338lm anywhere so decided to try the multi barrel system for the first time. I ended up shooting 300wm that day. At I believe was $1.95 a round I had an epiphany. I could shoot twice as much at the same cost, and have a slightly less sore shoulder at the end of the day. I suddenly fell in love with 300wm. I still don't think the .308 barrel has ever been installed, let alone shot, but I do shoot that rifle pretty often still. I love me some .338 Lapua mag, but I don't mind playing with a little 300 win mag on those days I want to shoot more than 30-40 rounds.
I understand where he was coming from. Shoot similar loads and see how they do. But... and there always seems to be a "but" doesn't there... But he needs to use loads that will make each gun shine. Yet I have to say, it was a nicely done video. Keep up the good work. But next time don't worry about identical rounds, just shoot what works best.
300PRC is the better 30 cal to compare with 338 if you’re talking factory loads. I actually wanted a 338 for 1500yds but the 300 PRC is just as accurate as the 338 out to a mile with less recoil. 300 win mag is still an awesome and plentiful cartridge
I like these videos, but personally think this is an odd comparison. Apples and oranges. 300 for short and long range hunting. 6.5 for paper and short range hunting.
At the altitude I've been shooting alot at lately (6000ft) 6.5cm is at 1500 ft/lbs energy @ 700 yards it's also over 1000 ft/lbs energy @ 1100 yards and is supersonic to 1940 yards. Unless you pulled a once in a lifetime bull Moose tag the 300WM just isn't needed anymore and mine collects dust.
If you are shooting anything lighter than 210 grains out of a 300 Win mag you are wasting the potential of the caliber. You are comparing some of the best loads from a 6.5 Creedmoor to some mediocre loads for a 300 Win mag.
@@TJ-ln7vz I run 225gr ELD's in my 300WM. A side from the fact that the 300WM cost me twice as much to run and 300wm's standard twist is 1/10 with bullets that require 1/9 those loads get me very little gain in drop, and wind drift and they only buy me an extra 200 yards more in both supersonic range and range with decent hit probability on the size targets I'm shooting than a 6.5cm handloaded 150gr SMK with a BC of 0.713 @ 2820 FPS.
Got a db10 in 6.5 creedmoor. I'm building it with good innards so when I'm home Christmas will finish assembling and get some range time. Thanls for the info, learning alot.
6.5 Creedmoor vs 270 Win vs 7mm Rem Mag. (Nosler reloading data: 6.5 Creedmoor with 100 grains bullet-max velocity 3272 fps, 270 Win 100 grains bullet-max velocity 3550 fps, 7mm RM 120 grains bullet-max 3570 fps). When you use best bullet the 270 and 7mm RM still beat the 6.5. This had been tested for years, and for hunting the 270 Win still the best caliber for many games. Thanks for sharing.
I disagree, I have had a 300wm for years it’s fun to shoot but I don’t love it. The recoil gets old and you can’t shoot it all day like the creedmoor. You start getting trigger flinch with the 300wm. I have had the 6.5 for a few years and I think it’s a far superior round than the 300wm.
I have an X-bolt in 300 win mag and it is my favorite gun. Very manageable recoil, and excellent for large game. If I wanted to shoot small groups at 1K yards I would consider the creedmore. For large game the creedmore isn’t in the same realm as the 300WM.
Hitchenson Alfred he didn't state or imply he was. He simply pointed out the best use for each cartridge. Why's everyone so quick to talk shit now days.
What I wonder is 7mm -08 vs 6.5 Creedmor. Which one will be popular on store shelves 5 years from now? I've wanted a 7mm-08, but now 6.5 Creedmor has blown up in popularity.
I’ve only ever watched your GT350 vids because that’s the car I’ll be getting. Thought it was crazy seeing you in a fun comparison vid. Keep up the good work. Probably gonna pick up the Bergara HMR Pro 6.5 CM.
I love your videos! You just got a sub, brother. I really appreciate your demeanor, and the way you lay out the facts without bias. Now..break out a similar video with .300 WinMag and .338 Lapua! I'm really liking this channel.
I'm not through the video yet, but I had to ask why would you compare a 140gr 6.5 to a 178gr .300 win mag? If you want to compare the two, use at least a 208gr ELD M bullet and you should be using the 225gr ELD Ms. I understand if you don't reload and you're also stating it's for pure entertainment but you should try over 200grs on a .300 win mag.
Perhaps you should watch the video before commenting. If you get later into the video you will understand. I know because I made it. I specifically compare a 6.5 creedmoor to a 300 win mag and 7mm Rem mag at very long ranges. I shoot a 300 win mag and 7mm rem mag between 2000-3000 yards. Also if you think PRS shooters are just posers you are sorely mistaken. The top PRS shooters men or women are some of the best precision rifle shooters in the world out to the distances at which they compete. You have a nice day. (:
Alright, just watched the entire thing. It was better towards the end, I thought you were going to be like the cute kids, too many fucking posers online but I see you mentioned the "6.5 beats 300 win mag" video as well. Good job. I like the 6.5, in fact, I got into it the beginning of this year (Savage 12 LRP) after fighting it off for 2 years and I am impressed by the little bullet but comparing it to the magnums like a lot of people do, is retarded.
I agree with you. People compare the worst 300 win mag loads and the worst 7mm rem mag loads to best 6.5mm loads is plain stupid. That what this guy did in this video.
HAHA dude I shoot long range, am a big fan, an subscriber. I didn’t check date when this was made and saw your prices and was like where is he gettin his 300wm ammo??
Nice video, Texas. In the shooting portion of the video I assume you are recording through a spotting scope. What make and model is that? Did the reticle come built in?
How do you come up with the fact a 300 win mag with 178 hrs bullet only at 2960? I can tell you if that’s the case.... it is loaded light. I load a 210 gr burger VLD out of. 300 win mag. It is pushing over 2850 FPS.
Hey Tex, I’m a Marine Corps officer, new to shooting. I want to get into some longer range precision shooting, and you definitely know your stuff. What is a good rifle to get started with, either bolt action or semi automatic? I have a budget of about $1500. Thanks Tex, love your videos
Thanks Isaac! $1,500 can get you a real solid long range rifle. If going bolt, a couple good contenders would be a Bergara B-14, Ruger Precision Rifle, Legacy Sports/Howa has some sweet options, etc. As for semi, it'll probably cost a bit more to get an effective rig, really good valve would be an Aero Precision M5E1 though.
I’m trying to decide between Ruger Precision rifle .300 WIN MAG or the Ruger Precision rifle 6.5 Creedmoor for 3 uses: recreational target practice, hunting, and prepping for WTSHTF, in that order. I already own a 30-06, Sig 5.56 rifle, M&P AR-22 rifle, 12 gauge shotgun, and a number of pistol calibers including multiple 9mm’s, a .45, and a .380. Which would you recommend and why?
'Tikka T3x Tac A1 if you have the funds. Much better platform than the Ruger Precision. When you are ready to upgrade to a different chassis system like a Cadex, MPA, or KRG you can just take the Tikka action out and drop it in. The Ruger Precision is sort of its own animal. There are so many solid options on the market now outside of the Ruger precision rifle, not that it is a bad rifle, but just that there are really good options for the same amount of money. Tikka T3x CTR, Bergara, Howa, T/C Performance Center (Smith & Wesson), etc. As far as caliber, the 6.5 creedmoor and .300 winmag are on pretty different ends of the spectrum, as the 6.5 is a short action based around the .308 cartridge and the .300winmag is a long action belted magnum round. The .300winmag is going to have more power with solid ballistics, with much more recoil due to it firing such a large projectile that is going to be much more expensive to shoot unless you reload. The 6.5 creedmoor has less recoil than a .308 and equivalent ballistics, but not as much stopping power (plenty for hunting), plus the factory Hornady, Federal, Federal American Eagle, and Winchester Ammo isn't expensive. The 140gr BTHP American Gunner is less than .94 a shot. If you are looking for something with the power of .300wm I would personally just go up to .338 Lapua Magnum. If you are looking for recreational/hunting/prepper gun then I would actualy say go 7.62NATO/.308 due to the ammunition availability and for the fact that it is perfectly fine out to 700-800 yd engagement distances far passed those you'd hunt or shoot a "zombie" with. It can reach 1000 easily but your kinda losing energy at that point. If it were me, I'd suggest the Tikka T3x Tac A1 or T3x CTR in 6.5 or .308, the Bergara Premier LRP, or the Bergara BMP or the T/C Performance Center LRR in .308 or 6.5 creedmoor. All 3 are solid rifles that are based around the short action .308. Another positive of starting with .308 is you can get it, shoot it for a lot less money, train more, then when you burn the barrel out you can rebarrel it for 6.5 creedmoor without changing anything but the barrel.. magazine, bolt all stays the same.
I'm looking at the Hawkeye Long Range, also from Ruger. It's a .300 win mag. Usually retails $950, and it seems a better platform than the precision, which I didn't even know they made a .300 in (thought it was creed or .308). Prefer the stock on it, it comes with Mlok compatible, great trigger, and I believe it's 5R rifled as well. Between calibers I'd go .300 any day of the week. It's simply a more versatile rifle, and 300 is capable of performing out past a mile loaded heavy. Should add I reload, so the versatility of the round is solidly a plus for me, and any increase in price per round is negligible. The only thing 6.5 does better is it's lower recoil, and while it certainly has its merits it's over-hyped.
I know he didn't even talk about energy that's where the 300wm shines. Taking an elk I want to have 1200-1500 pounds of energy the 6.5 can only get half of the distance a 300wm can in that department.
Brett Hobbs , I'm running hornady 220 grain ELD- there is no comparison. My Max supersonic with that is around 2100 yards at my altitude, whereas my 6.5 CM using 147 grain ELD is going trans at 1600 yards. Besides, shouldn't the spotlight be on the .260 anyway?
I've always hunted with 180gr. SST's with RL22 in .300 win mag, I've only ever pushed it out to 550yd. I would like to make a load with some heavier pills and see what it would do at a grand.
Not trying to poop on anyone's party but 6.5 CM is the most overhyped round ever. We already had an arguably superior 6.5 cal round: the 6.5x55 Swedish. It has all the traits of the CM but can actually be handloaded to outperform the CM. Cheers!
Watched this video because I like the AR platform and if I want to do big game hunting like Nilgai I need 300 win minimum for those safari style tours. So ty so much man, I am going with the 6.5
The AWM looks amazing. Can't justify the price. My most expensive gun is the Springfield Socom 16 in .308. I have a Mossberg Patriot chambered in .300 WIN that cost me $650 and it's fantastic if you can't afford the big boys.
7mm 180grain ELD-M has a .796 BC so that would be my preference for a magnum cartridge. Whenever I feel like having my shoulder mashed into something resembling part of a human body of course.
the 2 cartridges you show at 0:14 are maybe a 6.5 (left) but no way a 300 WM on the right... there is barely a case length difference between these 2. a 300 WM is way longer...
his 6.5 is super freaking awesome is the perfect mix of tactical and practical could be used for nearly everything from hunting to law enforcement roles tho personally i would like it more in 308 for the cheaper ammo cost
So where does the authoritative 338 Lapua Magnum come into play? I must say I love my Lapua and my 300WM. But I can shoot my 6.5 all day and not feel anything. Not so much worth the Magnum cartridges. But when you need to piss off people 25 yards left and right of you a Magnum cartridge can't be beat.
Love the 6.5 creed but don't own one. I have the 6.5saum which I prefer to the creed and the 300wm. This is a hunting gun and I limit myself to 700yds mostly bc I want round to expand properly and more than enough ft lbs. Steel is definitely different case.
How would you rate the image quality of your Steiner versus other high end glass? I have the same scope and the mechanical function has been outstanding, but I'm not sold on the clarity. Trying to decide if I need to look through some other examples of the scope to make sure I don't have one with issues...
Yes mechanical function is 10/10 in my opinion. As for clarity, I am very pleased with it considering the price. For nearly double the price, you do get slightly better clarity with a NF or S&B. If money is no object, go ahead and spend the extra $1,300+ dollars just to have the set up you desire. For me, it's all the clarity I'll need for my long range shots.
Texas Plinking I wish money was no object. Thank you for the reply. I'm going to try to look a few examples of my exact scope. I bet Steiner will take care of things if mine has an issue. I hear their customer service is good.
Texas Plinking nice yea I'm looking into getting a long range rifle. Been watching some videos seen the 6.5 vs .308 video and thought it was good. I've shot the 6.5 and fell in love myself but still looking for a good long range rifle.
I had an opportunity to get an FNH Ballista in 300 win mag for 3500 bucks, I'm still kicking myself for not getting that one. If you ever get a chance, you should compare the 30-06 and 300 win mag, pretty similar looking rounds. How'd you like that nightforce optic? Is it hard to go back to anything else now?
Aaron Longton they are the same bullet just more powder behind the win mag if you want more similar rounds I would get a comparison with 308 and 30-06 which again is same bullet but slightly more powder in 30-06
Aaron Longton I have a 300wm sat in a MDT Tac 21 chassis system. Weighs a bunch but it doesn't recoil much Bc of the weight. Love it, sub 1 moa gun. Anything with a 3 on it is a 30 cal round. Your differences are they powder loads.
So you picked the 140 grain for the 6.5 Cruddmore BUT! A 300 Win Mag with the Hornady 225 grain with a .777 BC at 2858 at the muuzzle> 6.5 Cruddmore at 2000 yards with a 200 yard zero drops -2404.2 300 Win Mag at 2000 yards with a 200 yard zero drops - 1663.8 300 SLAMS THE 6.5 BY 740.4 INCHES! NICE CHERRY PICKING SORT SHOT!
Any particular reason you chose the G1 BC instead of the G7? The G1 standard is inflated due to the antiquated standard, not to mention you end up with a severely skewed drag profile. The G7 standard is much closer to the profile of the two cartridges presented.
Great video! 6.5 Creedmoor vs 6.5 Lapua would perhaps be a more suitable comparison simply due to the real world applications. Creed and Lap for Varmint, Win Mag for like...Bear?! Not the same thing. Also, Creed vs Lap you'd really need to compare Load Development with similar weight projectiles (40 Creed against 40 Scenar). Find similar velocity nodes in a Ladder and then you are comparing apples for apples. Unfortunately, you're going to find that you've now eliminated the 2 greatest factors in variation between brands/species - the harmonic and factory powder. Still, great video!
I like the 6.5 and .308. Couldn't make up my mind so got both. Now i'm happy.
Which one you like more ))?
I've got a Savage .308 Win what's the comparison to the 6.5 Cred on overall effective kill range and what's the comparison on the drop between 600-1200 yards.(of course you can hit steel at a mile but not much punch) I've heard the 6.5 is effective to a 1000-1200 tops. I've heard the drop is minimal to about 600-800 yards. I've been looking to get a more modern rifle and the 6.5 Norton caught my eye. I'm here because the 300 win mag is on my heart heavy 😆 I'd like something effective to a mile but being realistic that's pushing any creed. I really like .338 Lapua but the round price and weight of such a rifle doesn't make it right for everything. I think the .300 is lighter and overall a bit shorter, no doubt cheaper round to fire. By chance have you used any of the modern ATN X-Sight Night vision 4k scopes. I think those suckers are sweet and appear to have good reviews. The tech package and ergonomics seem real slick n streamlined.
For your size, the quality of your video, and the information you give far surpasses larger channels, great job, I subbed.
I like how 6.5 creedmoor isn't really a boutique cartridge anymore. Been finding it on the shelf in the same numbers as .308.
That 6.5 creedmoor sure is nice, but that 300 Win Mag walloped the hell out of those plates.
I use 230 grain Berger OTM Hybrids. Use heavy for calibre, and the 300 will Bury the 6.5.
Use what you like, but 178 grain from a 300 Win Mag, isn't anywhere near giving it its full potential.
The new 230 SMK has a BC of 0.8.
Each to their own, but I really love my 300 Win Mag.
Cheers from the free new Zealand..I can have everything that you can have with the only difference that we can't carry. On top of that we don't have waiting times on hand guns or long rifle's. Also silencers are available over the counter without registration , waiting time or extra tax. You're welcome mate;)
Say what?! Suppressors over the counter? Jealous!
Texas Plinking same with rifles or hand guns. You walk in a gun shop, pick what you want and take it home with you. Great channel btw, looking forward to much more good content.
It's the same here in Ireland we can get suppressors over the counter but the waiting list for a gun can be up to 3 months
Henning Radasewski the waiting times for firearm purchases only exists in anti gun states here. Most states you walk in and walk out in 10minutes. All 50 states are different and some cities within the states are specifically restricting as well
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3k subs in February and now its August and 184k? Excellent job! Keep the videos coming
I love my 300. Just picked up a 6.5 just for the fun of it. Love both calibers.
I love the fact that the specs are onscreen for comparison. I hate when presenters assume I can absorb a huge string of numbers effectively.
I love the 300 win mag ! Good for distance and heavy hitter at the same time. Made the creedmore look week ! 😁🖒🖒
great job, I watch alot of shooting channels and your up there with the best . Semper Fi
Judging by the comments, I must be the only one that knows the 6.5 was meant to mimic the trajectory of 300wm but with less recoil for competition use. Also in this video and in the 308comparison it bugs me that he's using the optimal weight bullet for 6.5 but the other calibers are light for caliber with horrible BCs.
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14:30 The 1000 is impressive! Must be zero wind? Great video!
Excellent comparison review. I would also like to see a 6.0 Creedmore vs 6.5 Creedmore comparison review.
That would be a good video, as of now I don't have or know anyone with a 6mm CM
Texas Plinking I think 6cm is going to have a hard time gaining traction. It doesn't have as much hunting traction as 6.5cm. Some people love hunting medium game with 6mm/243 but for a lot of people it doesn't give them the "knockdown" power that they want. They have to overcome that stigma if they want it to be successful
Dalton v , agreed on the hunting. The 6.0 Creedmore is more of a target round, a lot of PRS shooters use this round due to its high BC bullet, low wind drift and low bullet drop at long range.
horrible comparison...
you're using quality rounds for 6.5 creedmoor & poor shit rounds for 300 win mag.
you have no idea what you're talking about, neither does the guy making the video haha
I guess bullet technology improved a lot since this vid. 300 WM now can get 250 grain a-tips with a 0.80 BC if you hand load. I believe you need a 8.5-9 twist thought for those. But even 220 grainers with 1:10 have some 0.65 + BC bullets now readily available
We can have lots of different calibres in Britain too but each has to licensed for a reason. Suppressors are totally normal and in fact the Police usually remind you to apply (no extra cost) for one for each calibre as it is the norm here.
I wish the US would get its act together in that regard, too many politicians watched too many movies.
I dont understand why all of these this vs this videos take basically the best performing round for one caliber and compare it to a poor performing round out of another.
If you want to compare the two take the best that both can offer.
I own both calibers in identical guns.
Load the best that bergers got in both and the 300 will swallow the creed whole at extended ranges.
Yes the creedmoor is more enjoyable to shoot.
Does it outperform it? No.
It has less bc , less velocity and a 70 grain weight difference,
Go figure.
@shane Depends on how the rifles set up.
@shane
they shoot smaller rounds, because competitions you can't go over a certain fps
What 300 win mag bullet are you shooting that has a higher bc than a 6.5?
@@chrisbeatty743 212g eldx has a better bc than the 140g eldm and stays supersonic for a longer distance.
Oh my does gsxr know you said that I'm telling that does it😂😂😂 soon as he gets out of his moms basement he's having a call of duty tournament right now when it's over you have had the lick
Funny thing since the ammo shortage, sh*t hitting the fan, 6.5 is all I can find at local shops. No 300 win mag to be found
😆 All I can find in my area is 300wm. 6.5cm if I find it is usually almost $3 a round 😆
When I first got my DTA SRS with a 338lm, 300wm, and 308 barrel's, I spent like 6 months shooting nothing but the .338 Lapua mag. One day I couldn't find .338lm anywhere so decided to try the multi barrel system for the first time. I ended up shooting 300wm that day. At I believe was $1.95 a round I had an epiphany. I could shoot twice as much at the same cost, and have a slightly less sore shoulder at the end of the day. I suddenly fell in love with 300wm. I still don't think the .308 barrel has ever been installed, let alone shot, but I do shoot that rifle pretty often still. I love me some .338 Lapua mag, but I don't mind playing with a little 300 win mag on those days I want to shoot more than 30-40 rounds.
I understand where he was coming from. Shoot similar loads and see how they do. But... and there always seems to be a "but" doesn't there... But he needs to use loads that will make each gun shine. Yet I have to say, it was a nicely done video. Keep up the good work. But next time don't worry about identical rounds, just shoot what works best.
I'd be curious to see a similar comparison of the .300 Win Mag and the .338 Lapua.
Why the 338 lapua will win.
300PRC is the better 30 cal to compare with 338 if you’re talking factory loads. I actually wanted a 338 for 1500yds but the 300 PRC is just as accurate as the 338 out to a mile with less recoil. 300 win mag is still an awesome and plentiful cartridge
I like these videos, but personally think this is an odd comparison. Apples and oranges. 300 for short and long range hunting. 6.5 for paper and short range hunting.
At the altitude I've been shooting alot at lately (6000ft) 6.5cm is at 1500 ft/lbs energy @ 700 yards it's also over 1000 ft/lbs energy @ 1100 yards and is supersonic to 1940 yards. Unless you pulled a once in a lifetime bull Moose tag the 300WM just isn't needed anymore and mine collects dust.
If you are shooting anything lighter than 210 grains out of a 300 Win mag you are wasting the potential of the caliber. You are comparing some of the best loads from a 6.5 Creedmoor to some mediocre loads for a 300 Win mag.
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I came to say the same thing. Shoot some real loads for the 300 and its ballistically better in every single way by a large margin.
@@TJ-ln7vz I run 225gr ELD's in my 300WM. A side from the fact that the 300WM cost me twice as much to run and 300wm's standard twist is 1/10 with bullets that require 1/9 those loads get me very little gain in drop, and wind drift and they only buy me an extra 200 yards more in both supersonic range and range with decent hit probability on the size targets I'm shooting than a 6.5cm handloaded 150gr SMK with a BC of 0.713 @ 2820 FPS.
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Got a db10 in 6.5 creedmoor. I'm building it with good innards so when I'm home Christmas will finish assembling and get some range time. Thanls for the info, learning alot.
6.5 Creedmoor vs 270 Win vs 7mm Rem Mag. (Nosler reloading data: 6.5 Creedmoor with 100 grains bullet-max velocity 3272 fps, 270 Win 100 grains bullet-max velocity 3550 fps, 7mm RM 120 grains bullet-max 3570 fps). When you use best bullet the 270 and 7mm RM still beat the 6.5. This had been tested for years, and for hunting the 270 Win still the best caliber for many games. Thanks for sharing.
Coming from a guy that prefers short action to long action, the 300wm blows the 6.5cm out of the water. TBH the two aren't on the same level.
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The .300 Win Mag has been around since the 60’s I think, and it’s still hard to beat.
I disagree, I have had a 300wm for years it’s fun to shoot but I don’t love it. The recoil gets old and you can’t shoot it all day like the creedmoor. You start getting trigger flinch with the 300wm. I have had the 6.5 for a few years and I think it’s a far superior round than the 300wm.
190gr 300 win mag is 3100 + fps so your amo is watered down.
I have an X-bolt in 300 win mag and it is my favorite gun. Very manageable recoil, and excellent for large game. If I wanted to shoot small groups at 1K yards I would consider the creedmore. For large game the creedmore isn’t in the same realm as the 300WM.
6.5 for paper, 300win for war.
You aren't going to war you mall ninja
Hitchenson Alfred he didn't state or imply he was. He simply pointed out the best use for each cartridge. Why's everyone so quick to talk shit now days.
Because they can't get punched in the mouth from behind a screen.
Exactly! Well said ! Just that simple ! Paper targets and soft targets = 6.5 Creed! Hunting middle to big size game ! Shift! War ! = 300 win mag
Shtf = 300 win mag
300WM with a 230 Berger is on another level above the 6.5CM. Even the 208 bullets out class the 6.5.
@william terry not even remotely correct. 300wm will kill large game out to 1000yds, 6.5Creedmor will not. You can't argue with kinetic energy.
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@@robwakefield4699 yep, just depends on how much recoil you csn handle
Nice! The 300 Win Mag clearly rocked the targets with more force even though you hit higher on the plate with quite a few of them.
What I wonder is 7mm -08 vs 6.5 Creedmor. Which one will be popular on store shelves 5 years from now? I've wanted a 7mm-08, but now 6.5 Creedmor has blown up in popularity.
How's it going?? Congrats on your subs!! Excellent content, in my opinion there both good calibers, it depends on your application!!!
Definitely depends on application, both are sweet!
The end shooting segment was cool.
I’ve only ever watched your GT350 vids because that’s the car I’ll be getting. Thought it was crazy seeing you in a fun comparison vid. Keep up the good work. Probably gonna pick up the Bergara HMR Pro 6.5 CM.
Haha, small world here on RUclips :)
I love your videos! You just got a sub, brother. I really appreciate your demeanor, and the way you lay out the facts without bias. Now..break out a similar video with .300 WinMag and .338 Lapua! I'm really liking this channel.
Dude both of those bolt guns are 🔥
Love the videos! Any plans on a 7mm Rem Mag VS 6.5 Creed?
I'm not through the video yet, but I had to ask why would you compare a 140gr 6.5 to a 178gr .300 win mag? If you want to compare the two, use at least a 208gr ELD M bullet and you should be using the 225gr ELD Ms. I understand if you don't reload and you're also stating it's for pure entertainment but you should try over 200grs on a .300 win mag.
I'm shooting 208 ELD match bullets. I don't know why people always shot low bc out of the .300wm just so the 6.5 won't look terrible.
Perhaps you should watch the video before commenting. If you get later into the video you will understand. I know because I made it. I specifically compare a 6.5 creedmoor to a 300 win mag and 7mm Rem mag at very long ranges. I shoot a 300 win mag and 7mm rem mag between 2000-3000 yards. Also if you think PRS shooters are just posers you are sorely mistaken. The top PRS shooters men or women are some of the best precision rifle shooters in the world out to the distances at which they compete. You have a nice day. (:
Alright, just watched the entire thing. It was better towards the end, I thought you were going to be like the cute kids, too many fucking posers online but I see you mentioned the "6.5 beats 300 win mag" video as well. Good job. I like the 6.5, in fact, I got into it the beginning of this year (Savage 12 LRP) after fighting it off for 2 years and I am impressed by the little bullet but comparing it to the magnums like a lot of people do, is retarded.
I agree with you. People compare the worst 300 win mag loads and the worst 7mm rem mag loads to best 6.5mm loads is plain stupid. That what this guy did in this video.
A handload in the 178 you could get around 200 more fps and that would definitely up its game in this weight class. I get 3175 with the 178 amax.
That was cool. Where are you recording through the scope? How do you do that?
Vic
I'd say it's just a benchtop camera, he's not recording the scope.
What magnification were you at for the longer shots 750 and beyond? Sight picture is beautiful and the clarity 👌👌👌
Make sure you like every gun video you watch and enjoy. They need our support and they have a constant struggle against RUclips.
Very good review. How about reviewing the scopes on the rifles?
7mm Rem Mag, 1 gun solution, 1 and done.. Yes, 300 will do everything a 7mm will and better, but less cost, less recoil with the magic 7..
HAHA dude I shoot long range, am a big fan, an subscriber. I didn’t check date when this was made and saw your prices and was like where is he gettin his 300wm ammo??
My god that range in Unreal!!! You are a lucky man..
Nice video, Texas. In the shooting portion of the video I assume you are recording through a spotting scope. What make and model is that? Did the reticle come built in?
Do a 300 win mag vs 338 lapua!!
How do you come up with the fact a 300 win mag with 178 hrs bullet only at 2960? I can tell you if that’s the case.... it is loaded light. I load a 210 gr burger VLD out of. 300 win mag. It is pushing over 2850 FPS.
This is a good video. I would like to see a 7mm rem mag vs 300 win mag comparison review.
I love my rem770 300wm so i. Don't have a problem with mine in hunting or pression shooting
Hey Man ! You sure do have some awesome rigs ! Nice vids.
Thank you sir!
Would LOVE to see a review of the Cheytac M200 In .408.
Hey Tex, I’m a Marine Corps officer, new to shooting. I want to get into some longer range precision shooting, and you definitely know your stuff. What is a good rifle to get started with, either bolt action or semi automatic? I have a budget of about $1500. Thanks Tex, love your videos
Thanks Isaac! $1,500 can get you a real solid long range rifle. If going bolt, a couple good contenders would be a Bergara B-14, Ruger Precision Rifle, Legacy Sports/Howa has some sweet options, etc. As for semi, it'll probably cost a bit more to get an effective rig, really good valve would be an Aero Precision M5E1 though.
How is a Marine Corp officer new to shooting?
@@pwprochazka it’s BS
Glad to see you dragging the accuracy international out.
Good stuff. I enjoyed the info. Very helpful.
I’m trying to decide between Ruger Precision rifle .300 WIN MAG or the Ruger Precision rifle 6.5 Creedmoor for 3 uses: recreational target practice, hunting, and prepping for WTSHTF, in that order. I already own a 30-06, Sig 5.56 rifle, M&P AR-22 rifle, 12 gauge shotgun, and a number of pistol calibers including multiple 9mm’s, a .45, and a .380. Which would you recommend and why?
'Tikka T3x Tac A1 if you have the funds. Much better platform than the Ruger Precision. When you are ready to upgrade to a different chassis system like a Cadex, MPA, or KRG you can just take the Tikka action out and drop it in. The Ruger Precision is sort of its own animal. There are so many solid options on the market now outside of the Ruger precision rifle, not that it is a bad rifle, but just that there are really good options for the same amount of money. Tikka T3x CTR, Bergara, Howa, T/C Performance Center (Smith & Wesson), etc.
As far as caliber, the 6.5 creedmoor and .300 winmag are on pretty different ends of the spectrum, as the 6.5 is a short action based around the .308 cartridge and the .300winmag is a long action belted magnum round. The .300winmag is going to have more power with solid ballistics, with much more recoil due to it firing such a large projectile that is going to be much more expensive to shoot unless you reload. The 6.5 creedmoor has less recoil than a .308 and equivalent ballistics, but not as much stopping power (plenty for hunting), plus the factory Hornady, Federal, Federal American Eagle, and Winchester Ammo isn't expensive. The 140gr BTHP American Gunner is less than .94 a shot.
If you are looking for something with the power of .300wm I would personally just go up to .338 Lapua Magnum. If you are looking for recreational/hunting/prepper gun then I would actualy say go 7.62NATO/.308 due to the ammunition availability and for the fact that it is perfectly fine out to 700-800 yd engagement distances far passed those you'd hunt or shoot a "zombie" with. It can reach 1000 easily but your kinda losing energy at that point. If it were me, I'd suggest the Tikka T3x Tac A1 or T3x CTR in 6.5 or .308, the Bergara Premier LRP, or the Bergara BMP or the T/C Performance Center LRR in .308 or 6.5 creedmoor. All 3 are solid rifles that are based around the short action .308. Another positive of starting with .308 is you can get it, shoot it for a lot less money, train more, then when you burn the barrel out you can rebarrel it for 6.5 creedmoor without changing anything but the barrel.. magazine, bolt all stays the same.
I'm looking at the Hawkeye Long Range, also from Ruger. It's a .300 win mag. Usually retails $950, and it seems a better platform than the precision, which I didn't even know they made a .300 in (thought it was creed or .308). Prefer the stock on it, it comes with Mlok compatible, great trigger, and I believe it's 5R rifled as well.
Between calibers I'd go .300 any day of the week. It's simply a more versatile rifle, and 300 is capable of performing out past a mile loaded heavy. Should add I reload, so the versatility of the round is solidly a plus for me, and any increase in price per round is negligible. The only thing 6.5 does better is it's lower recoil, and while it certainly has its merits it's over-hyped.
The 140 gr ELD-M for 6.5 is an amazing round! So accurate, especially out of my Tikka Tac A1.
Regards from Australia!
Using such light bullets in .300 Win Mag is pretty old school. Try pushing 215 or 230 Bergers and the non magnum 6.5s will have no chance.
Brett Hobbs yup.
Yup the 300 win mag will smoke it! Plus way more options for the 30 cal. projectile.
I know he didn't even talk about energy that's where the 300wm shines. Taking an elk I want to have 1200-1500 pounds of energy the 6.5 can only get half of the distance a 300wm can in that department.
Brett Hobbs , I'm running hornady 220 grain ELD- there is no comparison. My Max supersonic with that is around 2100 yards at my altitude, whereas my 6.5 CM using 147 grain ELD is going trans at 1600 yards. Besides, shouldn't the spotlight be on the .260 anyway?
i wonder if i can shoot 30-30 out if 300wm
I enjoyed this. I will look up your 308 vs 6.5 next. I would like to see the 6.5 vs the 7mm.
Travis Cormier better yet the 7mm08, not as much kick and still go further than the 6..5
7mm Mag not 7mm-08
Travis Cormier same bullet less powder hence the not as much kick comment lol
What kind of stock and paint job is that on the 6.5? Looks pretty sweet!
Try a 208gr eld match for the
300 win mag. Compare apples with apples.
I've always hunted with 180gr. SST's with RL22 in .300 win mag, I've only ever pushed it out to 550yd. I would like to make a load with some heavier pills and see what it would do at a grand.
.300 win mag is about $3 per shot here in Australia... Once set up to reload, i can get it down to 70c per shot.
Well explained. Thank you brother.
New subscriber. Outstanding review.
good job, man. Keep it up!
Thanks!
id be interested in seeing one of these videos on something like 6.5 creedmoor vs 6.5x55 swede. i think that might be more of an apples to apples
That would be interesting.
Or a quality 7mm-08 vs. GP11 7.5x55 Swiss
I've been wanting a 300 win mag I've got kind of like to know what kind of what model is the one you got there
Not trying to poop on anyone's party but 6.5 CM is the most overhyped round ever. We already had an arguably superior 6.5 cal round: the 6.5x55 Swedish. It has all the traits of the CM but can actually be handloaded to outperform the CM. Cheers!
You're absolutely right. I shoot 300wm for elk...and 6.5x55 Swede for antelope...perfect combo!!!
I think its a good round.
All love from INDIA...man you always give great reviews of snipers...❤️❤️❤️ Now waiting for. 50 cal
Watched this video because I like the AR platform and if I want to do big game hunting like Nilgai I need 300 win minimum for those safari style tours. So ty so much man, I am going with the 6.5
I'm curious about the black glove on your left hand. What is the purpose? Was it just cold where the shooting was filmed?
Down range Kinetics?
What is the force applied at 1000 yards?
The AWM looks amazing. Can't justify the price. My most expensive gun is the Springfield Socom 16 in .308. I have a Mossberg Patriot chambered in .300 WIN that cost me $650 and it's fantastic if you can't afford the big boys.
HOW ABOUT 6.5 Needmore V 300 RUM ftps & energy at different ranges .you need to compare same projectiles & wight
I'm a proud owner of a savage 110 tactical 300 win mag but wouldn't mind getting a 6.5 creed.
7mm 180grain ELD-M has a .796 BC so that would be my preference for a magnum cartridge. Whenever I feel like having my shoulder mashed into something resembling part of a human body of course.
Superb video as always!. Just out of curiosity. What do you do for a living? Its fine if you dont answer. All good!
Thanks, and I'm in real estate
the 2 cartridges you show at 0:14 are maybe a 6.5 (left) but no way a 300 WM on the right... there is barely a case length difference between these 2.
a 300 WM is way longer...
OMG!!! Your rifle is soo good
his 6.5 is super freaking awesome is the perfect mix of tactical and practical could be used for nearly everything from hunting to law enforcement roles tho personally i would like it more in 308 for the cheaper ammo cost
Thanks! That was the idea, the rifle to cover many purposes :)
Great vid!
New sub. Cheers from Western Canada!
Thanks for the support!
What was up with the wild looking black glove on your none shooting hand.
That's not fair to 300wm if you go to 225g bullet it's ballistic coefficient goes to 778
Tom Reed , nobody thinks of that when they make an argument in favor of the CM. That's why I quietly laugh inside when I hear someone compare the two.
So where does the authoritative 338 Lapua Magnum come into play? I must say I love my Lapua and my 300WM. But I can shoot my 6.5 all day and not feel anything. Not so much worth the Magnum cartridges. But when you need to piss off people 25 yards left and right of you a Magnum cartridge can't be beat.
338 Lapua comes in at about $6 a shot.
Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin only a dick uses a muzzle break at a range.... ruins everyone else’s day.
Well 99% of people shoot animal not targets. So the 1% can choose the little guns and the hunter can choose what kills animals.
Robert Franqui completely wrong most shooting is at targets.
@@gordmaher8160 the 338 lapua mag ammo at my local gun shop in canada is $169 a box of 20
Beautiful stock
Love the 6.5 creed but don't own one. I have the 6.5saum which I prefer to the creed and the 300wm. This is a hunting gun and I limit myself to 700yds mostly bc I want round to expand properly and more than enough ft lbs. Steel is definitely different case.
How would you rate the image quality of your Steiner versus other high end glass? I have the same scope and the mechanical function has been outstanding, but I'm not sold on the clarity. Trying to decide if I need to look through some other examples of the scope to make sure I don't have one with issues...
Yes mechanical function is 10/10 in my opinion. As for clarity, I am very pleased with it considering the price. For nearly double the price, you do get slightly better clarity with a NF or S&B. If money is no object, go ahead and spend the extra $1,300+ dollars just to have the set up you desire. For me, it's all the clarity I'll need for my long range shots.
Texas Plinking I wish money was no object. Thank you for the reply. I'm going to try to look a few examples of my exact scope. I bet Steiner will take care of things if mine has an issue. I hear their customer service is good.
Great video, earned a sub.run a .300 myself its a tank
Hey Brother, how durable is the paint job on that Grayboe?
Which one did you enjoy shooting more?
Personally I enjoyed the 6.5 because if it's light recoil impulse. Also I enjoy looking through the Steiner T5Xi better personally.
Texas Plinking nice yea I'm looking into getting a long range rifle. Been watching some videos seen the 6.5 vs .308 video and thought it was good. I've shot the 6.5 and fell in love myself but still looking for a good long range rifle.
If you step up to the .208 eldm in the 300 you can easily get 2950. At this loading you get a mile super sonic.
Wind drift is even better
I had an opportunity to get an FNH Ballista in 300 win mag for 3500 bucks, I'm still kicking myself for not getting that one. If you ever get a chance, you should compare the 30-06 and 300 win mag, pretty similar looking rounds. How'd you like that nightforce optic? Is it hard to go back to anything else now?
Kyle Bradley fn ballista is my dream rifle.
Could u compare 30-06 to 300 win mag?
Aaron Longton they are the same bullet just more powder behind the win mag if you want more similar rounds I would get a comparison with 308 and 30-06 which again is same bullet but slightly more powder in 30-06
IMHO: 300 mag is a .30-06 on steroids. (got both of 'em).
Aaron Longton I was unaware that .300 Win mag was the same projectile as a .308 & .30-06... thanks for the info
Aaron Longton I have a 300wm sat in a MDT Tac 21 chassis system. Weighs a bunch but it doesn't recoil much Bc of the weight. Love it, sub 1 moa gun. Anything with a 3 on it is a 30 cal round. Your differences are they powder loads.
TheNaughtyGamer I have one in the ESS chassis, it's a little lighter than the tac21, but the weight definitely helps the comfort of shooting
Great video! What kind of stock cover is on the 6.5?
Thanks! And here's the link to the rear pouch: amzn.to/2DMeKLK
Just got 3000 subs. 6 months later he's at 192k subs.
So you picked the 140 grain for the 6.5 Cruddmore
BUT!
A 300 Win Mag with the Hornady 225 grain with a .777 BC at 2858 at the muuzzle>
6.5 Cruddmore at 2000 yards with a 200 yard zero drops -2404.2
300 Win Mag at 2000 yards with a 200 yard zero drops - 1663.8
300 SLAMS THE 6.5 BY 740.4 INCHES!
NICE CHERRY PICKING SORT SHOT!
Any particular reason you chose the G1 BC instead of the G7? The G1 standard is inflated due to the antiquated standard, not to mention you end up with a severely skewed drag profile. The G7 standard is much closer to the profile of the two cartridges presented.
No particular reason other than that's just what I pulled from the ammunition websites.
So if they are equal ballistically whic would you want to shoot the elk with at 750 yards?
Great video! 6.5 Creedmoor vs 6.5 Lapua would perhaps be a more suitable comparison simply due to the real world applications. Creed and Lap for Varmint, Win Mag for like...Bear?! Not the same thing.
Also, Creed vs Lap you'd really need to compare Load Development with similar weight projectiles (40 Creed against 40 Scenar). Find similar velocity nodes in a Ladder and then you are comparing apples for apples. Unfortunately, you're going to find that you've now eliminated the 2 greatest factors in variation between brands/species - the harmonic and factory powder.
Still, great video!