very nice upload. I’m 63 & grew up riding dirt bikes. I totaled my R1200GS in a relatively minor off-road crash. I’m never, ever going back to a supertanker dual sport. The new Himalayan 452 will be in my garage soon. Thx again for a fantastic video.
@@amshootez Yep, big adventure bikes are great on the bitumen and smooth dirt roads but they quickly become hard work on rougher, softer roads. The Himalayan has restored my off-road confidence and I’m having a ball taking it places I’d never have dreamt of taking the Crosstourer.
Watched your videos and for all the same reasons I “upgraded” from a RS 1200 to the himi 450. Loving it in every respect. It’s so cool that all the extra parts can be ordered so cheaply from India. Been. Great decision. Cheers
@@mattjones4817 That’s the thing, it is an upgrade from the perspective of how much you enjoy riding it. We’ve been conditioned to think that an upgrade must mean more, bigger, faster, costlier, and it’s just not the case. Glad you’re enjoying your 450, it’s just too hot at the moment to do any serious riding here, but it will be cooler soon, I hope!
So glad you bought this bike , I ride the RE meteor as my daily ride. Don’t use the car anymore . I’ve just got over 15000 km with no issues . Looking at adding the Himi 450 next year . Gold coast hinterland and surrounds has so many fantastic places to ride. Love your vlogs . Love your wit . Keep them coming
@@Joeyrider785 Cheers for the compliment re my wit, I will be sure to let my wife know it’s appreciated elsewhere if not at home. Agree re the hinterland, I was poking around in that general area on the weekend.
Right this vid speaks to all of us who have also questioned our manhood. Watching your far & wide adventures and also having done the same the realisation is lighter bikes are the way forward. Big Congrats and enjoy the miles.
Bought an old 2007 BMW F650GS Dakar and sold a 2021 Ducati Multistrada 950s for the same reason. Loving the lighter and less tech focused bike. Looking forward your future content on the Himmy. Love the channel.
@@kramiam Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Big bikes are fun when the throttle is being opened, small bikes are fun the rest of the time.
Have same version arriving in 2 days, was blown away by its confidence inspiring feel, just made me smile. Lowest capacity bike i will have owned in 17 years. Also contemplated the MT, but not available in the UK until next Spring at the earliest, so couldn't even get a test ride.
Great vid mate. I had the same dilemma over here in the UK. After many miles on the 450, it was definitely the right choice.. and you have gained another subscriber Cheers Mick
I think you made the right choice, the CF is lovely and great value but fuel economy is rather poor, the Himalayan is much better on fuel efficiency and probably over all will be easier to live with regarding maintenance than the CF. In my opinion you made the right choice!
@@WiltshireMan Good point. The RE uses fuel very parsimoniously, and I have heard the CFMoto is a little less economical than people think it should be, perhaps a fueling update will sort that out in the future.
@@abitofadetour7315 hello new sub overhere from EU ALPS thank's for shering your experience with us and your responce in the comment's is absolutely amazing 😊ride on my friend and enjoy......🔧⚙️🍻🍻🍻
@@Buledoyanmotor I wouldn’t say I was disappointed with the 450MT. It’s a very good bike that ticks a lot of boxes, but the Himalayan ticked the one that matters the most. It puts a smile on my face every time and ride and when I see it lurking in the garage it makes me think, ‘Geez, it’s about time I went for a ride’.
I am a long term fan of smaller bikes, life is so much easier with them. I too was tossing up between those 2 bikes and went with the MT450. Both are great and I am sure you won't be disappointed on your choice. Looking forward to your next adventures.
Thank you for sharing your questions. I had exactly the same ones. I'm 64 and back on the bike. After trying the last two in your ranking, I ordered the Chinese, because I feel better on it. I think the 2 choices are very good and that we'll have a lot of fun riding with them 😁
I'm at an age now when I can't do all day rides on a 400 single. I just sold mine - even with grip puppies the vibrations would set off pains in wrists and elbows the next day. A major reason I bought the 450MT was that is is a twin - around the size I wanted. It's buttery smooth compared my old 400 single and my body thanks me after each ride :)
great to see your choice,had the same a few years ago......and bought a Himalayan 2019 new...... have a great time with your Himalayan....greetings from the Netherlands...... Wim ;-)
@@abitofadetour7315 no,i do not have it anymore......i was missing some power to it.....that was an issue.... 24,5 hp was not enough....and bought a Honda cb500x.....and did sell that because i have long(post)covid..... i hope to ride again this spring.....our thougts about men and big BMWs are the same.....i like the "medium" bikes.....and it wil be a Himalayan again.....a 450......love it!!! greetings Wim
I have same bike and colour here in the UK, it arrived in June. I find it is light and precise to ride and has a real charm, just enough poke to be fun, and the all round talents to hit the 'do it all' category. I feel confident in the Royal Enfield dealer network backup and warranty in the event of any issues. I could have had my head turned by the uber cool looking CF Moto 450mt (none available till next year) but am more than happy with my choice, it just works straight outta the crate.
Gudday again mate, you will love this bike, a mate and I bought one each in June and are doing regular week long trips and can't fault them at this stage (he has done K10klm and I K6.3klm). You are only over the border a bit, yell out if you want to join us. Warning: we don't camp, we just stay in pubs and mix with the locals for places to visit - over some beers! Looking forward to your thoughts on the machine!
I'm always keen for a ride. My email is in the channel info section. Good to hear you're enjoying the Himalayans, and I'm always happy to stay in pubs, or cheap motels!
Solid choice mate, been enjoying your videos so far and looking forward to seeing more on the Himalayan. If I didn't have a Goldwing and a keen passenger then I reckon I'd give one a go as well!
I'm at the point where a single bike just can't fulfill all my requirements. I now looking for something for two-up road work, but there's not much out there that's no too heavy, too fast, or too expensive.
I’m so tempted! I’m coming from a Honda 250l and I want to travel farther and survive the highways in between dirt. I think this channel will be the one to watch as you got right to the dirty bits 😁
Just recently rode the Gun Barrel, GCR, basically all dirt roads from Perth and back with a small leg on the Black top. A friends RE 450 Himy was stock except for tyres and lager screen. The Himy took everything thrown at it, no issues, the suspension showed its limits on Gun Barrel ( most stock suspension will ) its weight at times also raised its head, 4600km’s in 10 days Rain, mud, Corrugation, dust and the Himy shone all through it. I was very impressed with the performance of the Himy. Truely a good all rounder for the $$. Not perfect, none are. Some quality adjustable rear suspension, tweak the front forks, longer side stand with enlarged foot ( for soft dirt ) and I truely believe the Himy will be a winner for those that purchase one.
@@KirkAnderson-l3i I will be looking at suspension upgrades at some point and will certainly be changing the tyres soonish but it’s good to hear it performed well in some of the harshest conditions you’re going to find anywhere.
Congratulations 👏. I'm waiting for the exact bike to hit the states. The last bike I owned was a 1250 GS. I'm no spring chicken 😂. The idea of a smaller bike is very appealing. Stay safe!
I have an Himi, I bought the 411 in JUly 23', could have waited for the 450, but it didn't ring my bells like the 411 did. I have been very interested in the 411, since they first came out, and my interest never wavered, even with early teething issues and that is normal with any new concept bike. Anyhow we have been to Tassie from the New England two up for a month, loved the trip and the comfort of the ride, cheap too. You will have a ball with your bike. Just keep up with services religiously and like all Enfeilds they will run for ever.
Congrats on the new bike!! I will be very interesting in your next videos. I just came back of a 6 days solo trip in the outback (Syney up to Broken Hill) with my CB500X (seems I have no manhood issue..) and like in your previous trip, I did some uturn when I wantedd to go to Mungo National park, I felt the corrogation was too much for the bike (and/or my skill). Even the CB500X is under 200kg, so not that light with all luggage. I would like a lighter bike andd like you, the CRF300L (rally) would be a great choice (and Honda reliability) but underwhelming for the long Australian stretch of roads. Enjoy!!
I bought a new CB500X in 2020 to tour WA and NT. Some people thought I was mad because it was "only" a 500. You really don't need 100+HP to explore Australia. We are so lucky to have such a variety of bikes available, something for everybody. Safe travels.
Its wise to know your limits when you're a long way from the nearest hospital. The lighter the better but too light and long highway sections are miserable. I think the Himalayan and bikes like it are going to seen in much large numbers over the next five years or so and big 800cc plus Adventure bikes will become less of a common sight. Maybe. Men do strange things.
This bike calls to me! I am getting a little used KLX 300 to spice up my dirt skills this year, but am fully set on moving up to the new Himmy once the time comes. Still none in inventory in my area unfortunately. But Id love to see one in person some day. Congrats!
Glad you bought the RE....exact model i would go for...one problem i can't tear myself away from my Aprilia Tuareg ATM..btw I was born in Ipswich (England!)....subscibed 👍🏻
I had tested the Transalp, the Tenere, and then I went to try the new 790 Adventure, but they didn't have it available for testing. So, they offered me to try the 390 Adventure, and that opened my eyes. It was more than capable on the highway and much lighter than the others for off-road riding. Since then, I've been sure that my next bike will be one of these lightweight adventure bikes.
It wasn’t an easy decision but at the end of the day something drew me toward the Himalayan. It somehow seems a friendlier bike if that makes any sense.
Not sure there is a wrong choice here! RE has come a long way the last few years and their new 450 is a massive improvement over the last gen 411. Happy for you!
Spot on. Had to admit to myself a loaded dl650xt with management sat behind me is just too much weight once the tarmac ends. As much as I liked it and the places we've seen on it. CF ir Himmi? Can't even get e test on a cf, and all sold out until next year Rode the Himmi and loved it. A modern day xt500 already kitted to travel. Tall screen, barkbusters, heated grips needed here in Northern Europe. That's it. Good to go. Run in now and engine smoothing with every mile. Very happy with my choice and decision. Ride safe and enjoy 👍
@@teneretraveller8980 I like your modern day XT500 idea, you've struck on something there. As far as the CF Moto being sold out, that attests to its popularity and the fact there is a gaping hole in the adventure bike market that the big players are ignoring. Thanks for watching and enjoy that Himalayan.
@@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 I really wanted to like the Rally. It ticks so many boxes, the only one really left unticked is a gruntier engine. You’ll be surprised how good the Himalayan is off-road. I’ve been taking it off-road a fair bit and some of the hills it’s gone up have impressed me.
I'm 5'7" with a 30" inseam about to get into the Adventure scene for the first time. I've been looking at bikes like the Transalp, KTM 790 and Vstrom 800DE. My MAIN requirement is comfortable highway miles to get me to the dirt stuff. I plan to travel the US and do BDRs and I will be forced to use highways to get to them. In order to make the trips 'doable' I will need highways. If this 450 can reliably and comfortable do 70mph to 80mph safely then it might just be the perfect bike for me to 'learn' on. I've called a dealer about 100 miles north of me (closest one to me) and am headed up to take a test ride tomorrow. I'm thinking if it goes well then I'll spring for the tubeless version coming out in a few months.
@@cloud9847 There is an American guy on RUclips whose been riding his Himalayan enormous miles at high speeds and he seems to be loving it. Mine is still in the running in stage but so far I’m impressed with its highway performance but I’m a the point where I’ll sacrifice a bit if highway speed for off road ability, which the Himalayan has in spades!
In 2011 I did a group ride through the Himalayas to Everest Base Camp (Tibet side), we were on a fleet of old rental Enfields, road bikes well pre the Himalayan model. Man these things just went and went and went with nothing more than punctures. First thing I did when I got home? Went out and bought one. No shaft drives to break and fail you!
So far, the more I ride it the more I like it. Just did a little 300k loop on Sunday and had a fantastic time. Haven’t enjoyed riding off-road this much in a long time.
I have just been through the exact same scenario coming from a 1200 Super Tenere, I talked to Buck about the Himalayan as I live in Toowoomba but ended up buying the CF Moto 450, don't think you can go wrong with either choice, both are great value for money, and yes the Honda is totally gutless.
@@stevencohen4580 You certainly can’t go wrong with either bike. I’ll flesh out my decision making process in the next video, but either way you jump, for less than $10k you can’t lose.
@@jtec99 They are quite different bikes in the way the go about things. In my next video I go into some detail about why exactly I chose the Himalayan. I’d recommend getting a test ride on both if possible and see which one gives you “The Fizz”
I have a 2015 gs adventure. Sold my dr 650. I can't wait to get a less gigantic bike again. Lol. BMW is great on the freeway. I need to take one of these for a test ride!
@@realthing66 My VFR is amazing on the bitumen. On the dirt it does the job but it’s not much fun. The 450 is so much fun on the dirt on good enough on the highway.
Here in the US, I've already "bought" the MT/Ibex, but we don't know when, and now IF they'll ever be released...looking forward to your thoughts on both, since the Himy is the next contender...
I’m on a CB500X and the vibes on it aren’t huge but still annoying, so for me, out of those two I would have gone the MT. Fortunately, we are all individuals who can choose what ever suits us so therefore, you have made the right choice. I presume you still have the VFR.
Everyone has a different set of things they'll look for in a bike, and after a lot of deliberation I landed on the Himalayan but I'd not be upset with the MT. VFR is still in the garage but its probably going on the market.
I’m trying to sell my vfr1200 crosstourer to get a himi. Hard to sell the vfr. Nobody knows about it and it’s heavy. Hate to give it away but the 450 impressed me on the test ride
my brothers had them , Himalayan 450 gave 32 - 36 kmpl milage , but cf450 gave around 22 kmpl . BOTH HAVE SAME POWER , ALMOST SAME TORQUE , so Himalayan 450 wins clearly . plus single cylinder are easier to maintain
@@kaustubhpatil1510 The Himalayan is certainly very economical on fuel and it does seem the CF Moto isn’t but there may be an update that improves that down the track, perhaps.
@@kaustubhpatil1510 I use three main cameras, a GoPro 10 for the on bike stuff, a DJI pocket 2 for the talking bits, and a Sony ZV1 for the ride by shots.
One RE Himalayan was enough for me. I know the 450 is leaps and bounds better but I’m not taking a chance on the RE build quality ever again. I’ll be buying a 450MT when they are available here. Congrats, I’m sure it will be a great bike.
I reckon the reliability question is out in the future a bit and hangs equally over both machines. Like a lot of things its probably just down to the luck of the draw.
@@charlesbarnett2724 I hadn’t really considered that but I can’t imagine what useful insights they could glean from my weekend wanderings. “What, he’s stopped at Dayboro bakery again!”
Still waiting for the CFMOTO bikes to arrive here in South Africa. Unfortunately nobody imports Royal Enfield to our country. So I guess it will be between "sweet and sour" or "sushi" (Honda NX500)
Congrats been looking at both these bikes but more royle enfield dealers in uk 🇬🇧 the bike designed in uk, also watch big rock moto review he loved it ❤
@@straightup1234 I have watched so many reviews my eyes hurt, and I concur with most of them. I’ll weigh in a little in an upcoming video on a few points I feel have been overlooked or overplayed, but I’m not a reviewer, unless you’re talking about cheap motels, in which case….
Great video - would you recommend the 450 for an absolute beginner to motorcycling (let alone off-road)? I was tossing up between the KTM 390 Adventure and the 450? Also - would be interesting to know if you also used the same approach with the 450 and if you got a better deal.
@@revertsui I would definitely recommend it to new riders. It’s a simple machine, very useable power, nothing to frighten the horses. Lowish seat height and very neutral handling. I asked around the the best discount I could get was twelve months registration instead of the six everyone else was offering. Brett from Bucks was very easy to deal with and has an interesting little shop full of old bikes.
A more detailed explanation on my decision making process is coming soon. There was a variety of factors that led to me choose the Himalayan none of which are entirely clear to me even now. Watch this space.
Nice bike for sure, id have gone with the DR myself. To much electric's, ride by wire throttle, ABS and don't know why a 450 thumper needs four different maps. But enjoy my man nice bike no doubt.
@@pucknhusker9426 Time will tell what goes wrong if anything. I tried the DR and it just felt old. Plus, I’ve owned before and it was time for something new. Thanks for weighing in to the discussion.
@@Chooky88 It’s not just ticked over a thousand Kay’s and RE says no going over 80 till two thousand, so I couldn’t possibly say! However, occasionally the speedo needle strays and yes, they are a bit vibey but not in an unpleasant way. Some grip puppies may be in order.
@@abitofadetour7315 I am running mine in. P69 of the manual regarding running in says max of 4000rpm for the first 500klms. That gets you stuck at 80kph in 6th. For the next 500 to 1000klms not to go past 6000rpm. In sixth the bike will do a bit over 100klm/hr at 5300 rpm. On mine the vibration is noticeable at 100kph but goes away a fair bit once you get closer to 110kph. Where did you get the no faster than 80kph for the first 2000klms? Would be interesting to know. Thanks.
@@davidtaylor1188If you regularly travel at 110kmh have you really bought the best bike for you? The Himalayan is designed for backroads and byways not dual carriageways and speed. You can do huge distances without needing to exceed 80kmh and really get to experience the country you are travelling through at the same time.
@@davidmatthews3093 no ......bought it to ride on the dirt.....but I have to get there and that means roads that are 100klm speed limited and it is not safe to be riding at 80kph forcing every one to overtake you.. I was commenting on the vibrations...they are real and replying to @Chooky88 question. They are the worst on my bike at about 100.....take it to 110 and they reduce IMO....that is all I was saying. Chill out mate.
@@davidtaylor1188yeah. The vibes r between 100 and 110kmph. After that it reduces. Still its a single cylinder. I would say re has done a fantastic job designing the engine to reduce the vibes.
@@3goldfinger I did, and if people keep watching my videos in ten years or so I’ll have the money to pay someone to build me a super custom something or other!
Good choice. The RE has metal parts while the Chinese bikes look a bit plasticky and flimsy. Also, I’m not sure how to get spares for the Chinese bikes .
@@edsondias6604 I imagine CFMoto dealers will be keeping a wide range of spare parts, but here in Brisbane that is Team Moto, a large conglomerate I’ll have to more to say about in the future.
It’s still glaring at me from the corner of the garage but it will be going once I get time to properly clean and service it for sale. Then I can decide on another road biased bike to replace it!
@@jasonstansborough3037 It’s been a reliable and charming partner for many kilometres, it just spent too much time at the Honda buffet and got a bit thick around the middle! I won’t enjoy seeing it ride out of my driveway without me that’s for sure.
@@Chris_Z. Not really, for a few reasons. Firstly, it’s $20k, which is out of my budget. Secondly, it’s really an enduro bike in my view and I can’t see it being fun doing highway miles. Thirdly, and this is a personal opinion, I reckon it’s a bit ugly.
I like curry and sweet & sour, but the Chinese took it for me. I found it so much more exciting to ride. I need to enjoy every mile. Himi is great, but so boring.
@@AgricUltra That’s the things with motorcycles, I found the opposite. What a great thing that we have the choice between two well priced bikes that do the same job so differently. Hope you enjoy four MT at much as I’m enjoying my RE.
@ absolutely, and we all suit different bikes for different reasons. If the MT hadn’t have launched, I’d unquestionably be on the same as you. Looking forward to watching more.
very nice upload. I’m 63 & grew up riding dirt bikes. I totaled my R1200GS in a relatively minor off-road crash. I’m never, ever going back to a supertanker dual sport. The new Himalayan 452 will be in my garage soon. Thx again for a fantastic video.
@@amshootez Yep, big adventure bikes are great on the bitumen and smooth dirt roads but they quickly become hard work on rougher, softer roads. The Himalayan has restored my off-road confidence and I’m having a ball taking it places I’d never have dreamt of taking the Crosstourer.
I have the exact same bike and absolutely love it. The engine started to free up nicely around 1000km. Such a good bike for a 450cv
Agree, and agree. Will be riding it more often around the burbs to get the Ks up so I can start properly thrashing it.
Watched your videos and for all the same reasons I “upgraded” from a RS 1200 to the himi 450. Loving it in every respect. It’s so cool that all the extra parts can be ordered so cheaply from India. Been. Great decision. Cheers
@@mattjones4817 That’s the thing, it is an upgrade from the perspective of how much you enjoy riding it. We’ve been conditioned to think that an upgrade must mean more, bigger, faster, costlier, and it’s just not the case. Glad you’re enjoying your 450, it’s just too hot at the moment to do any serious riding here, but it will be cooler soon, I hope!
So glad you bought this bike , I ride the RE meteor as my daily ride. Don’t use the car anymore . I’ve just got over 15000 km with no issues . Looking at adding the Himi 450 next year . Gold coast hinterland and surrounds has so many fantastic places to ride. Love your vlogs . Love your wit . Keep them coming
@@Joeyrider785 Cheers for the compliment re my wit, I will be sure to let my wife know it’s appreciated elsewhere if not at home. Agree re the hinterland, I was poking around in that general area on the weekend.
Right this vid speaks to all of us who have also questioned our manhood. Watching your far & wide adventures and also having done the same the realisation is lighter bikes are the way forward.
Big Congrats and enjoy the miles.
@@MotoPassport Getting back on a lighter bike has been nothing short of a revelation. Thanks for watching.
Bought an old 2007 BMW F650GS Dakar and sold a 2021 Ducati Multistrada 950s for the same reason. Loving the lighter and less tech focused bike. Looking forward your future content on the Himmy. Love the channel.
@@kramiam Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Big bikes are fun when the throttle is being opened, small bikes are fun the rest of the time.
I just took my Himalayan to Manang which is about 90km of offroad trail along a some fairly steep sections and man has it impressed me.
Have same version arriving in 2 days, was blown away by its confidence inspiring feel, just made me smile. Lowest capacity bike i will have owned in 17 years. Also contemplated the MT, but not available in the UK until next Spring at the earliest, so couldn't even get a test ride.
It makes me smile too. Maybe its just small bikes, but it calls to me from the garage in a way the VFR never did.
Great vid mate. I had the same dilemma over here in the UK. After many miles on the 450, it was definitely the right choice.. and you have gained another subscriber Cheers Mick
@@RAD_RIDERS_UK Welcome aboard, or should I say welcome into my “tent of acceptance” as one commenter described the channel!
Thanks for taking us through your thought process on this. Enjoy the miles and smiles to come.
@@stephenmundane More thoughts will be shared in the near future along with some actual interesting riding bits as well.
I think you made the right choice, the CF is lovely and great value but fuel economy is rather poor, the Himalayan is much better on fuel efficiency and probably over all will be easier to live with regarding maintenance than the CF. In my opinion you made the right choice!
@@WiltshireMan Good point. The RE uses fuel very parsimoniously, and I have heard the CFMoto is a little less economical than people think it should be, perhaps a fueling update will sort that out in the future.
Something good I noticed about the manual - it shows you how to do a lot of the maintenance with good diagrams. Other companies aren’t as thorough.
@@martyn_g They do. It appears to be aimed at the home market where I imagine many people do their own maintenance.
@@abitofadetour7315 hello new sub overhere from EU ALPS thank's for shering your experience with us and your responce in the comment's is absolutely amazing 😊ride on my friend and enjoy......🔧⚙️🍻🍻🍻
@@jurejurecic9661 Thanks for watching. I enjoy reading the comments people leave from all over the world, it makes all the hard work worthwhile.
Great choice ! I was quite disappointed by the CF Moto 450 MT as well, the Himalayan is impressive
@@Buledoyanmotor I wouldn’t say I was disappointed with the 450MT. It’s a very good bike that ticks a lot of boxes, but the Himalayan ticked the one that matters the most. It puts a smile on my face every time and ride and when I see it lurking in the garage it makes me think, ‘Geez, it’s about time I went for a ride’.
I am a long term fan of smaller bikes, life is so much easier with them. I too was tossing up between those 2 bikes and went with the MT450. Both are great and I am sure you won't be disappointed on your choice. Looking forward to your next adventures.
Where are you going to get spare parts?
I've been following your adventures on the MT. I just don't think you can go wrong with either but something about the Himalayan tickled me.
OHHHHH. I won't judge you (bloody Auzzie ! !)They are both very close to each other. Enjoy and be safe. From NZ.
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@@abitofadetour7315 it's coming from the vvvvbrations 🤣
Thank you for sharing your questions.
I had exactly the same ones.
I'm 64 and back on the bike.
After trying the last two in your ranking, I ordered the Chinese, because I feel better on it.
I think the 2 choices are very good and that we'll have a lot of fun riding with them 😁
You can't go wrong with either machine I believe. They are both great bikes, they just go about their jobs a little differently. Enjoy your new bike.
Good choice mate! I too went with the Himi 452 and it arrives in about two weeks. Can’t wait!
@@Oldman.Roaming Solid choice.
Great choice, I sold my VFR for similar reasons, keep the films coming and I hope you enjoy your bike.
@@tonyplant2337 Thanks. I will and I will.
I'm at an age now when I can't do all day rides on a 400 single. I just sold mine - even with grip puppies the vibrations would set off pains in wrists and elbows the next day. A major reason I bought the 450MT was that is is a twin - around the size I wanted. It's buttery smooth compared my old 400 single and my body thanks me after each ride :)
I may find myself in the same boat down the road a bit, the MT engine is very smooth, no doubt about it.
Did you have the himi 400 or 450?
great to see your choice,had the same a few years ago......and bought a Himalayan 2019 new......
have a great time with your Himalayan....greetings from the Netherlands...... Wim ;-)
@@wimbon1959 Greetings from Australia and thanks for watching. Do you still have the 411 Himalayan?
@@abitofadetour7315 no,i do not have it anymore......i was missing some power to it.....that was an issue....
24,5 hp was not enough....and bought a Honda cb500x.....and did sell that because i have long(post)covid.....
i hope to ride again this spring.....our thougts about men and big BMWs are the same.....i like the "medium" bikes.....and it wil be a Himalayan again.....a 450......love it!!! greetings Wim
@@wimbon1959 Sorry to hear about your Covid, that is not good. You will feel at home on the new 450, it is a wonderful machine.
I have same bike and colour here in the UK, it arrived in June. I find it is light and precise to ride and has a real charm, just enough poke to be fun, and the all round talents to hit the 'do it all' category. I feel confident in the Royal Enfield dealer network backup and warranty in the event of any issues. I could have had my head turned by the uber cool looking CF Moto 450mt (none available till next year) but am more than happy with my choice, it just works straight outta the crate.
@@simonrichardson3167 It’s certainly an all rounder, as is the 450MT. And you’re right, it does have ‘charm’.
Yes you did! Can’t be any better for the money 🇸🇪
I like the look of it with those graphics on the tank, so many of the ones I’ve seen look dull.
Gudday again mate, you will love this bike, a mate and I bought one each in June and are doing regular week long trips and can't fault them at this stage (he has done K10klm and I K6.3klm). You are only over the border a bit, yell out if you want to join us. Warning: we don't camp, we just stay in pubs and mix with the locals for places to visit - over some beers!
Looking forward to your thoughts on the machine!
I'm always keen for a ride. My email is in the channel info section. Good to hear you're enjoying the Himalayans, and I'm always happy to stay in pubs, or cheap motels!
Nice one mate. The Himalaya makes allotta sense to me too and I look forward to seeing your travels on her, him, it...
@@zzzsydneyhom1379 The gender is still elusive, but time reveals all.
Solid choice mate, been enjoying your videos so far and looking forward to seeing more on the Himalayan. If I didn't have a Goldwing and a keen passenger then I reckon I'd give one a go as well!
I'm at the point where a single bike just can't fulfill all my requirements. I now looking for something for two-up road work, but there's not much out there that's no too heavy, too fast, or too expensive.
And let the fun begin.....good on ya mate. cheers
I’m so tempted! I’m coming from a Honda 250l and I want to travel farther and survive the highways in between dirt. I think this channel will be the one to watch as you got right to the dirty bits 😁
So far I’m impressed with its highway manners.
Just recently rode the Gun Barrel, GCR, basically all dirt roads from Perth and back with a small leg on the Black top. A friends RE 450 Himy was stock except for tyres and lager screen. The Himy took everything thrown at it, no issues, the suspension showed its limits on Gun Barrel ( most stock suspension will ) its weight at times also raised its head, 4600km’s in 10 days Rain, mud, Corrugation, dust and the Himy shone all through it. I was very impressed with the performance of the Himy. Truely a good all rounder for the $$. Not perfect, none are. Some quality adjustable rear suspension, tweak the front forks, longer side stand with enlarged foot ( for soft dirt ) and I truely believe the Himy will be a winner for those that purchase one.
@@KirkAnderson-l3i I will be looking at suspension upgrades at some point and will certainly be changing the tyres soonish but it’s good to hear it performed well in some of the harshest conditions you’re going to find anywhere.
Congratulations 👏. I'm waiting for the exact bike to hit the states. The last bike I owned was a 1250 GS. I'm no spring chicken 😂. The idea of a smaller bike is very appealing. Stay safe!
It will be a revelation after riding the GS!
I have an Himi, I bought the 411 in JUly 23', could have waited for the 450, but it didn't ring my bells like the 411 did. I have been very interested in the 411, since they first came out, and my interest never wavered, even with early teething issues and that is normal with any new concept bike. Anyhow we have been to Tassie from the New England two up for a month, loved the trip and the comfort of the ride, cheap too. You will have a ball with your bike. Just keep up with services religiously and like all Enfeilds they will run for ever.
I've ridden the 411 and found it an engaging machine if a little short on power. The 450 is a different thing all together really.
top stuff fella sure you'll have many happy adventures on it 👍
Congrats on the new bike!! I will be very interesting in your next videos. I just came back of a 6 days solo trip in the outback (Syney up to Broken Hill) with my CB500X (seems I have no manhood issue..) and like in your previous trip, I did some uturn when I wantedd to go to Mungo National park, I felt the corrogation was too much for the bike (and/or my skill). Even the CB500X is under 200kg, so not that light with all luggage. I would like a lighter bike andd like you, the CRF300L (rally) would be a great choice (and Honda reliability) but underwhelming for the long Australian stretch of roads. Enjoy!!
I bought a new CB500X in 2020 to tour WA and NT. Some people thought I was mad because it was "only" a 500. You really don't need 100+HP to explore Australia. We are so lucky to have such a variety of bikes available, something for everybody. Safe travels.
@@bondradman7353I downsized from an ST1300 Pan European to my 500X. I have never missed the power and my annual mileage has doubled.
Its wise to know your limits when you're a long way from the nearest hospital. The lighter the better but too light and long highway sections are miserable. I think the Himalayan and bikes like it are going to seen in much large numbers over the next five years or so and big 800cc plus Adventure bikes will become less of a common sight. Maybe. Men do strange things.
@@davidmatthews3093 It is such an easy bike to ride all day!
@@abitofadetour7315 And the affordable price makes the smaller machines attractive as second bikes.
Suits you Sir! Made a good choice, that engine is a peach when run in and loosened up a bit. Look forward to seeing some more "big things".
@@davidsargent8780 More big things are certainly in the future!
This bike calls to me! I am getting a little used KLX 300 to spice up my dirt skills this year, but am fully set on moving up to the new Himmy once the time comes. Still none in inventory in my area unfortunately. But Id love to see one in person some day. Congrats!
@@cogblob2024 It ticked most of my boxes, and I’m loving it more every time I ride it.
Great choice... I've been eyeing both bikes as a starter bike. Happy riding.
Glad you bought the RE....exact model i would go for...one problem i can't tear myself away from my Aprilia Tuareg ATM..btw I was born in Ipswich (England!)....subscibed 👍🏻
Welcome. I looked at the Aprilia but it’s two and half times the price of the RE and I just can’t justify it, nice bike though.
I had tested the Transalp, the Tenere, and then I went to try the new 790 Adventure, but they didn't have it available for testing. So, they offered me to try the 390 Adventure, and that opened my eyes. It was more than capable on the highway and much lighter than the others for off-road riding. Since then, I've been sure that my next bike will be one of these lightweight adventure bikes.
@@Sr.D There is something about lightness that is very attractive. It was Colin Chapman of Lotus fame that said “To improve performance add lightness”
Yes, my pick of the 2, making a good product now and people all of the world on RUclips are riding them! Can’t wait for the videos!
It wasn’t an easy decision but at the end of the day something drew me toward the Himalayan. It somehow seems a friendlier bike if that makes any sense.
Like your style and storry telling. COngratulations on the new bike it will bring you joy youl'll see. Subscribed !
Thank you and welcome into the tent!
grate choice! beautiful machine
Onya mate great choice. I ride a vstrom 1000 however pretty keen on the RE’s myself 👍
@@thebigw3377 I can only suggest taking one for a ride, the longer the better, and see what you think. It’s a beguiling machine.
@@abitofadetour7315 How very perspicacious of you 👍
Not sure there is a wrong choice here! RE has come a long way the last few years and their new 450 is a massive improvement over the last gen 411. Happy for you!
@@normananderson2583 I concur there is no wrong choice, which is why I struggled to decide. They’re both cracking little bikes.
Spot on.
Had to admit to myself a loaded dl650xt with management sat behind me is just too much weight once the tarmac ends. As much as I liked it and the places we've seen on it.
CF ir Himmi?
Can't even get e test on a cf, and all sold out until next year
Rode the Himmi and loved it. A modern day xt500 already kitted to travel.
Tall screen, barkbusters, heated grips needed here in Northern Europe. That's it. Good to go.
Run in now and engine smoothing with every mile.
Very happy with my choice and decision.
Ride safe and enjoy 👍
@@teneretraveller8980 I like your modern day XT500 idea, you've struck on something there. As far as the CF Moto being sold out, that attests to its popularity and the fact there is a gaping hole in the adventure bike market that the big players are ignoring. Thanks for watching and enjoy that Himalayan.
Fantastic decision mate 👍, it’s what I’m going to sell my Honda 300 Rally to buy .
@@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 I really wanted to like the Rally. It ticks so many boxes, the only one really left unticked is a gruntier engine. You’ll be surprised how good the Himalayan is off-road. I’ve been taking it off-road a fair bit and some of the hills it’s gone up have impressed me.
I'm 5'7" with a 30" inseam about to get into the Adventure scene for the first time. I've been looking at bikes like the Transalp, KTM 790 and Vstrom 800DE. My MAIN requirement is comfortable highway miles to get me to the dirt stuff.
I plan to travel the US and do BDRs and I will be forced to use highways to get to them. In order to make the trips 'doable' I will need highways. If this 450 can reliably and comfortable do 70mph to 80mph safely then it might just be the perfect bike for me to 'learn' on.
I've called a dealer about 100 miles north of me (closest one to me) and am headed up to take a test ride tomorrow. I'm thinking if it goes well then I'll spring for the tubeless version coming out in a few months.
@@cloud9847 There is an American guy on RUclips whose been riding his Himalayan enormous miles at high speeds and he seems to be loving it. Mine is still in the running in stage but so far I’m impressed with its highway performance but I’m a the point where I’ll sacrifice a bit if highway speed for off road ability, which the Himalayan has in spades!
Well done …. Bike looks a treat
In 2011 I did a group ride through the Himalayas to Everest Base Camp (Tibet side), we were on a fleet of old rental Enfields, road bikes well pre the Himalayan model. Man these things just went and went and went with nothing more than punctures. First thing I did when I got home? Went out and bought one. No shaft drives to break and fail you!
@@ShaftedJohn It’s a trip I’ve weirdly started seeing ads for on Instagram lately. What do they know that I don’t?
I recently rode both the RE 450 and the CFMOTO 450. I was surprised at how different they were to ride considering they are very similar bikes.
@@rlands5134fd They have their similarities but as you correctly say, they go about the business of being small adventure bikes very differently.
Solid choice, thinking of getting one myself.
Take a test ride, it’s a tempting little thing.
Yeah, SAME HERE. An incredible bike ! Amazing bang for buck !
Im in the same position, good video hope your enjoying the bike
So far, the more I ride it the more I like it. Just did a little 300k loop on Sunday and had a fantastic time. Haven’t enjoyed riding off-road this much in a long time.
If a bike can conquer himalayas, then it can conquer anything. Happy riding
Good choice sir they are fun to ride. I went for bigger middleweight as it suits what and where i want to ride.
@@jaspreetbains2776 There is a bike for every purpose, it’s not one size fits all. And yes, it is fun to ride.
Curry! No doubt about it ( plus the Sweet & Sour costs nearly 30% more where I live). Solid bike.
I have just been through the exact same scenario coming from a 1200 Super Tenere, I talked to Buck about the Himalayan as I live in Toowoomba but ended up buying the CF Moto 450, don't think you can go wrong with either choice, both are great value for money, and yes the Honda is totally gutless.
@@stevencohen4580 You certainly can’t go wrong with either bike. I’ll flesh out my decision making process in the next video, but either way you jump, for less than $10k you can’t lose.
Good info. I am shopping midweight also. (CURRENTLY riding an Africa)
@@victorsturdivant4731 Take one for a spin on a dirt road and you’ll see what I’m banging on about.
I'm debating between your last 2 choices as well bro. The CF hasn't hit dealership floor here in my area of the US but the Enfield is.
@@jtec99 They are quite different bikes in the way the go about things. In my next video I go into some detail about why exactly I chose the Himalayan. I’d recommend getting a test ride on both if possible and see which one gives you “The Fizz”
I have a 2015 gs adventure. Sold my dr 650. I can't wait to get a less gigantic bike again. Lol. BMW is great on the freeway. I need to take one of these for a test ride!
@@realthing66 My VFR is amazing on the bitumen. On the dirt it does the job but it’s not much fun. The 450 is so much fun on the dirt on good enough on the highway.
Himalayan bikes has a lot of history In ladakh trips many people used this bike
Good choice ! 👍🏼
i heard the tubeless are starting to come out for them, that is what I would choose. The 3 year warranty on the RE is handy too
I needed to order it a wait a few weeks but they are trickling through. Maybe the extra $500ish cost is slowing people down?
Good bike. I need to get one.
@@Garde74 Yes, you do!
Welcome to the sensible bike revolution.
@@theadventurecooperative I might steal that idea!
@@abitofadetour7315 Consider it a gift.
yeah you did boutght the right bike. I want to buy Himalayan 450 too but i have hiype for the rally version than still have to come.
Here in the US, I've already "bought" the MT/Ibex, but we don't know when, and now IF they'll ever be released...looking forward to your thoughts on both, since the Himy is the next contender...
@@paradoxworkshop4659 It’s a very capable machine the MT, I’m sure if they ever arrive you won’t be disappointed.
Great vid, thanks. Subbed
I’m on a CB500X and the vibes on it aren’t huge but still annoying, so for me, out of those two I would have gone the MT. Fortunately, we are all individuals who can choose what ever suits us so therefore, you have made the right choice. I presume you still have the VFR.
Everyone has a different set of things they'll look for in a bike, and after a lot of deliberation I landed on the Himalayan but I'd not be upset with the MT. VFR is still in the garage but its probably going on the market.
Mate hanging on the new episode. Im on the verge of parting with my CFmoto 450mt and switching to the 450 himmy. When will your new episode be up?
Right now!
I’ve had enough of the vibration created by a single cylinder engine. thats why 450mt will be my next bike.
You can't go wrong with either bike I reckon. Two different roads that both arrive at the same destination.
@@abitofadetour7315it's not the destination! It's the journey ! 😂
@@Gmac237 Precisely. Every time I push that starter button it puts a smile on my face.
I’m trying to sell my vfr1200 crosstourer to get a himi. Hard to sell the vfr. Nobody knows about it and it’s heavy. Hate to give it away but the 450 impressed me on the test ride
There'll be two on the market soon!
my brothers had them , Himalayan 450 gave 32 - 36 kmpl milage , but cf450 gave around 22 kmpl . BOTH HAVE SAME POWER , ALMOST SAME TORQUE , so Himalayan 450 wins clearly . plus single cylinder are easier to maintain
@@kaustubhpatil1510 The Himalayan is certainly very economical on fuel and it does seem the CF Moto isn’t but there may be an update that improves that down the track, perhaps.
what camera do u use sir ? love from India
@@kaustubhpatil1510 I use three main cameras, a GoPro 10 for the on bike stuff, a DJI pocket 2 for the talking bits, and a Sony ZV1 for the ride by shots.
One RE Himalayan was enough for me. I know the 450 is leaps and bounds better but I’m not taking a chance on the RE build quality ever again. I’ll be buying a 450MT when they are available here. Congrats, I’m sure it will be a great bike.
I reckon the reliability question is out in the future a bit and hangs equally over both machines. Like a lot of things its probably just down to the luck of the draw.
I think you've probably made a good choice. I don't like all the tracking software on the cf.
@@charlesbarnett2724 I hadn’t really considered that but I can’t imagine what useful insights they could glean from my weekend wanderings. “What, he’s stopped at Dayboro bakery again!”
Good decision, mate! I would have also gone for the Himalayan. Congrats and have fun! 🎉
@@GCTO239 Great minds think alike.
@@abitofadetour7315 indeed ;)
I figure that if you have a really hard time deciding, then either one is great.
@@explsvz4170 You’ve hit the nail on the head. They’re both great bikes and you can’t go too far wrong with either one.
Still waiting for the CFMOTO bikes to arrive here in South Africa. Unfortunately nobody imports Royal Enfield to our country. So I guess it will be between "sweet and sour" or "sushi" (Honda NX500)
you might need a taller windscreen upgrade. Nice summary.
@@frankpinion4937 So far I’ve found the standard one works well but I’ll probably get one to try it out for longer trips.
The DR650 is being sold again in argetina i think.
Congrats been looking at both these bikes but more royle enfield dealers in uk 🇬🇧 the bike designed in uk, also watch big rock moto review he loved it ❤
@@straightup1234 I have watched so many reviews my eyes hurt, and I concur with most of them. I’ll weigh in a little in an upcoming video on a few points I feel have been overlooked or overplayed, but I’m not a reviewer, unless you’re talking about cheap motels, in which case….
@abitofadetour7315 ok I will look fwd to it 👍👍
I hear new DR650 is on horizon. Wonder how that would compete vs RE and CF Moto.
@@LooxJJ Sounds intriguing. Let’s hope they make a worthy successor.
Great video - would you recommend the 450 for an absolute beginner to motorcycling (let alone off-road)? I was tossing up between the KTM 390 Adventure and the 450?
Also - would be interesting to know if you also used the same approach with the 450 and if you got a better deal.
@@revertsui I would definitely recommend it to new riders. It’s a simple machine, very useable power, nothing to frighten the horses. Lowish seat height and very neutral handling. I asked around the the best discount I could get was twelve months registration instead of the six everyone else was offering. Brett from Bucks was very easy to deal with and has an interesting little shop full of old bikes.
A curry would be first choice as well, nice review
I am in the same scenario with the two same bikes. Why did you choose the RE over the CF? will you explain in the next video??? Please?
A more detailed explanation on my decision making process is coming soon. There was a variety of factors that led to me choose the Himalayan none of which are entirely clear to me even now. Watch this space.
Interesting choice, do you think it could ride with a passenger going 80ish mph ?
@@TheDualCruiser It could, but not sure you’d want to!
Nice bike for sure, id have gone with the DR myself.
To much electric's, ride by wire throttle, ABS and don't know why a 450 thumper needs four different maps. But enjoy my man nice bike no doubt.
@@pucknhusker9426 Time will tell what goes wrong if anything. I tried the DR and it just felt old. Plus, I’ve owned before and it was time for something new. Thanks for weighing in to the discussion.
I like both too. I thought the REs bars were a bit vibey at Highway speeds? How is yours?
@@Chooky88 It’s not just ticked over a thousand Kay’s and RE says no going over 80 till two thousand, so I couldn’t possibly say! However, occasionally the speedo needle strays and yes, they are a bit vibey but not in an unpleasant way. Some grip puppies may be in order.
@@abitofadetour7315 I am running mine in. P69 of the manual regarding running in says max of 4000rpm for the first 500klms. That gets you stuck at 80kph in 6th. For the next 500 to 1000klms not to go past 6000rpm. In sixth the bike will do a bit over 100klm/hr at 5300 rpm. On mine the vibration is noticeable at 100kph but goes away a fair bit once you get closer to 110kph. Where did you get the no faster than 80kph for the first 2000klms? Would be interesting to know. Thanks.
@@davidtaylor1188If you regularly travel at 110kmh have you really bought the best bike for you? The Himalayan is designed for backroads and byways not dual carriageways and speed. You can do huge distances without needing to exceed 80kmh and really get to experience the country you are travelling through at the same time.
@@davidmatthews3093 no ......bought it to ride on the dirt.....but I have to get there and that means roads that are 100klm speed limited and it is not safe to be riding at 80kph forcing every one to overtake you.. I was commenting on the vibrations...they are real and replying to
@Chooky88 question. They are the worst on my bike at about 100.....take it to 110 and they reduce IMO....that is all I was saying. Chill out mate.
@@davidtaylor1188yeah. The vibes r between 100 and 110kmph. After that it reduces. Still its a single cylinder. I would say re has done a fantastic job designing the engine to reduce the vibes.
The Royal choice, well done.
Yes
Did you see Itchy Boots new bike.
@@3goldfinger I did, and if people keep watching my videos in ten years or so I’ll have the money to pay someone to build me a super custom something or other!
@@abitofadetour7315 🤣
Yea,I agree, dr650 is overpriced second hand , I own one and paid 4 grand for it , happy with that price . Good choice with the himalayan.
Good on you. So a return trip to hellsgate
@@grahamcairn8379 Maybe. I’m still a bit scarred from that seven and half hours!
@@abitofadetour7315 fear enough
Good choice. The RE has metal parts while the Chinese bikes look a bit plasticky and flimsy. Also, I’m not sure how to get spares for the Chinese bikes .
@@edsondias6604 I imagine CFMoto dealers will be keeping a wide range of spare parts, but here in Brisbane that is Team Moto, a large conglomerate I’ll have to more to say about in the future.
Of course cf moto la ✅️ ✌🏻😊
Congrats on the new bike. Did you sell the Honda or keep it in the stable?
It’s still glaring at me from the corner of the garage but it will be going once I get time to properly clean and service it for sale. Then I can decide on another road biased bike to replace it!
@@abitofadetour7315 Going to be a tough decision to part ways after so many great trips. I am sure it holds great memories for you.
@@jasonstansborough3037 It’s been a reliable and charming partner for many kilometres, it just spent too much time at the Honda buffet and got a bit thick around the middle! I won’t enjoy seeing it ride out of my driveway without me that’s for sure.
What about the triumph 400x scrambler ?
@@stevencarter7031 Not in the Australian market yet and to be honest it just doesn’t grab me.
I think you’ve made a choice with your heart rather than your head.
I have been accused of that in the past.
@@abitofadetour7315it’s the right choice I’d say 😊
@@SumPixelz I concur. Others seem to disagree, but everyone is welcome in my “Tent of Acceptance”.
The AJP PR7 not considered in your decision of a light weight bike?
@@Chris_Z. Not really, for a few reasons. Firstly, it’s $20k, which is out of my budget. Secondly, it’s really an enduro bike in my view and I can’t see it being fun doing highway miles. Thirdly, and this is a personal opinion, I reckon it’s a bit ugly.
@@abitofadetour7315not one for sale on the east coast and stuff all dealer support.
Did you score a bit of a discount on the RE?
I wish! I managed to get 12 months rego thrown in as most dealers only do 6 months and dealers in some states only do 3 months!
I like curry and sweet & sour, but the Chinese took it for me. I found it so much more exciting to ride. I need to enjoy every mile. Himi is great, but so boring.
@@AgricUltra That’s the things with motorcycles, I found the opposite. What a great thing that we have the choice between two well priced bikes that do the same job so differently. Hope you enjoy four MT at much as I’m enjoying my RE.
@ absolutely, and we all suit different bikes for different reasons. If the MT hadn’t have launched, I’d unquestionably be on the same as you. Looking forward to watching more.