Ask Quadlock when they are going to come out with a waterproof QI wireless charging Quadlock. Until they do, I'd rather throw my phone in a bag/pocket/case with external power and put a Carpuride on the bike.
the big 4 are really doing themselves a disservice by ignoring this category and not taking it seriously. CFMoto on the other hand seems to directly listen to the consumer and build the bikes people really want. I am super excited for this one
It's interesting to watch. I was talking to the guys at CFMOTO US and they pushed for the ABS button, the factory listened. That's the sort of thing that's setting them apart.
What really annoys me is how close they get without actually hitting it, as well. Honda alone has two directions they could come at it from, stick wire wheels and longer-travel suspension on the NX500 and you're basically there, or stick the 500 engine in the 300L Rally and you'd have a more off road-biased but still competitive bike there too. You can come up with similar stuff for a lot of companies, so many things that are almost what this is, but either too slow or just a few parts swaps away from being off road-worthy enough.
@spitescorner I always thought as husky as a white ktm, though I'd say there more than reskinned ktms. There are some differences between the models. I've got a 21 Husky TE300i, and my buddy has a 23 gas gas EC300. Same bike, but mine has magura hydraulics and came stock with a map switch. His has braketec hydraulics and no map switch. Ktm Xc-w's come with brembo hydraulics and pds rear suspension where the latter have linkage rear suspension.
@@Douknowgregg to your point, they have done a decent job of differentiating the various brands with the components they bolt on, as with the use of the linkage for the KTM models, but the underlying engines are all the same with only slightly differing maps. The main frame section is largely the same too, with a slight difference being the carbon composite subframe they put on the Husky.
Been riding and racing for decades, usually on a Honda and to find the only new bike I'm actually excited about is from a Chinese manufacturer is quite a change. CFMoto and Kove certainly seem to be burning the midnight oil trying to actually build what the customers are asking for. We are experiencing a serious market shift, I hope they prove to be as good as they seem as it bodes well for the sport we all love.
It’s so cool to see CF Moto giving the consumers what they actually ask for. First we had the 450SS, an awesome entry level sport bike, which forced Kawasaki to update their Ninja 400, and now we’re getting a the IBex 450, which is getting A LOT of people excited. I know that I’m not the only one when I say I’m stoked to see what they come up with next!
I'm Australian. These have been here for about 6 months, and my local dealer tells me he's selling them as fast as he can ship them in. The first 500 into the country were pre-sold before anyone had seen it. Which is massive, because there's not that many of us here. Edit - It's bigger physically when you see it irl. Spike's a big bloke.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 and? The majority of people don't buy these bikes. The super sport category has been in decline for years now. The majority of people around the world don't ride these big bikes.
Love to see that you enjoyed it! The 450 Ibex really seems like THE perfect small ADV. MCN's praise for it was absolutely glowing which is so rare from them. The only thing missing is cruise control but that's a big ask on an entry level bike!
For someone looking to get offroad for the first time without breaking the bank it's basically perfect. Or if you want to leave the dualsport world and get an ADV bike, it's great for that too.
US regulations are why bikes like XR650, DR650 don't change. They get grandfathered because there is no major design change. Change the bike and the whole thing has to go through and meet the new regulatory requirements. Which is why there is a five year production window for new designs to meet regulations.
@@briansullins4778 I sit on the highways at around 110kph and it’s fine. It’s not a bike that is really suited to highway riding given it’s a small capacity engine.
Most Aus riders are adding a 15t front sprocket and taller screen to this bike. Very few negative reports, biggest complaint is a missing drain hole in the bash plate support bars, easily rectified by drilling a 3mm hole at the lowest point.
Hey! I've recently bought a 450 MT, and I must say I'm very surprised with how good this bike is on the trails, one thing that people never mention with this bike is, that it comes stock with a 140/70 rear tire but you're meant to put on a 140/80 (it's on the original document) , do not change the front sprocket! the tire size diference is more than enough for you to feel the difference on highway revs and not loose torque on the trails! the suspension gets even better after a few weeks of riding! I took me at least a month to break in my suspension and it's really good now. you don't often get a bike that's this cheap and so well built, it feels light, you can adjust preload, compression and rebound, tubeless spoked rims, it has foldable mirrors, adjustable wind deflector, the abs/tc button is great, you don't even have to stop to turn it on/off and so much more tech that honestly you don't need but it's great to have. I have friends with T7's and they were blown away by this bikes capabilities, it handles rocky trails so easily that you sometimes forget that this is an adv bike. For those who want to hate this bike because it's made in china, google is free don't be ignorant.
As a Tuareg owner after test ride: CFM450 is a fantastic bike which feels very light. The price is also very sweet. But I wouldn’t compare it to T7 which is a whole different story.
if you want to know the wet weight take it down to your next refuse recycle station where they have a weigh platform & you can then get an accurate wet weight on the reading, ususally outside the office building between the entry/exit.
Finally some decent options in the entry level ADV space. It's just a pity there's only 2 & none of them are from the big 4. The 400ish cc range seems to be the hottest bike segment at the moment, but the most compelling models all come from manufacturers in China or India, and none of them touched the ADV space until CFMOTO's 450MT (IBEX for the Yanks) & RE's Himalayan 450 were recently announced. And it's an easy choice. Want a modern ADV with all the bells & whistles then go for CFMOTO. Prefer a more vintage looking bike that hearkens back to the earliest ADV's then the Himalayan is for you. Kawasaki better have a Versys 450 up their sleeve for November, otherwise they're going to lose what little market share they have left in this segment.
I mean it never gets compared but the KLR really should. It might be a 650 but its weight, power, and even tech is comparable to what you would find on a beginner small CC ADV.
I really want one of these next summer. I have only ridden a few dirt bikes about 25 years back and that is my only experiance on a motorized bike of any sort. The price is right, the power is great, sounds amazing, and it looks fantastic! The only thing that keeps me from nearly going out now and reserving one is that we're in need of a new or newer vehicle first and my family is against me getting anything with a motor and two wheels.
I have this bike. 1500 miles so far. Loving it, and only a small amount of previous experience off road. Could easily travel on it, especially avoiding the faster, boring roads. My other bikes are all pure road bikes so the price for this one meant I was lucky enough to be able to add it to the garage without losing one of the others. :) Just one point. Those tyres are the same as ours by the look of it. Not Pirelli, but CST tyres, with a similar pattern to the STR. A Chinese tyre, CST is the parent company of Maxxis if I read correctly.
I’m back! Took a break when things went away from the ADV and took the lean toward electric. Good work Spite! Enjoyed the review on a new bike I hadn’t considered before.
If CFmoto gains the capability to compete in MotoGP, it would be a significant milestone for the brand and China’s motorcycle industry. Competing at that level would demonstrate their advanced technology, engineering, and racing expertise. It would also boost their global reputation as a premium motorcycle manufacturer. Being in MotoGP means competing against well-established brands like Yamaha, Honda, and Ducati, so CFmoto's participation would showcase their ambition to be recognized among the top in the world of motorsports.
Likely never. It takes tens of millions of dollars just to run the team, then add on the millions for the R&D of a bike. All those big brands in MotoGP are very well established, multi-billion dollar companies. They do Sponsor a Moto 2 team.
I had a ton of fun on this bike. I think the only thing I'd want the tune off the 450ss or the NK for a bit more grunt on the street, but otherwise it's a phenomenal package.
I'm about to buy my first bike soon, and I was looking for these to try out but there aren't any available in my area unfortunately. Thanks for sharing your experience with us!
The real fight is gonna be between this bike and the new RE Himalayan. Seems to me these are the companies really trying to compete in the bang4buck arena, great winfor consumers.
Yes they are a great bike and I love mine. I've put 1600km/1000mi on mine and I haven't ridden it for 4 weeks (I fell off and bike landed on my foot and foot is still very sore). Tyres are not Pirelli Scorpion they are a CST cheap knock off. They're good on road and on hardpacked dirt/gravel but terrible in wet muddy conditions and also soft sand I believe.
I think the Kove adv. 800x is the perfect balance between a CFMoto 450 Ibex and a Super Adventure 1390 from KTM. The Kove has a 800ccm displacement engine and a weight (fueled up) ready to go of 415 pounds.
Isn't that the manufacturer who entered and finished the Dakar on their first ever show room production 450, against factories that have been competing for decades?
@@scoobleI think third place. But I am not sure. I think the company Kove has potencial of becoming the next big thing with the product adv. 800x being a star.
@@sportify4849 they came third in one of the stages this year. The 800 still needs a few bugs ironing out with fuelling though, but for a first attempt, its looking promising
Cool bike. Dig the large tank, ergonomics, price, push button ABS, basic but functional display, etc. The 400-500 segment is idea for dual-sports.... But 400+ pounds is NOT light. The KTM690, and equivalent, are about 325lbs and have 20 more hp, better clutch, etc..... CFMoto and Kove are doing great things though. Hope they continue. Love the huge tanks
@@christopherpekel6096 The 690 and Husky 701 shouldn't even be in the conversation with ADV they're Enduro and lack a lot of comforts for longer rides. A T7 is 450lbs~ as an example.
I just keep waiting for kawasaki to put the new 500 engine in the Versys x300. Dont get me wrong, the 300 is fast enough for a bike that weighs 385 pounds, but it has no torque or power until you hit 8000 rpm.
Hi Spite, just wanted to address concerns about the Honda 500X. I ride the X, because I have a slight physical disability, it is reliable, easy to handle, can do easy off-road, carries me luggage and it's incredibly easy for me to get parts. I'm not looking to be a speed-demon. It suits ME. Sorry to disagree with you, Nat.
This and the Kove are actually sort of exciting after years of the same, ultra limited and stale stuff that's been squatting in this segment in the USA
Sounds silly saying beginner bike. Cause I've heard people on dual sports call people on the bigger adv bikes beginners also. I'm sure this would beat middle and bigger adv bikes on a dirt course. Time wise. Jmo
Mine's been ordered and mostly paid for since June. Now they say another two-three months, since some moron, (AHEM!) gutted the EPA and they don't have enough staff to push the papers...
I've been watching this bike since they released it. Spite's reaction to the Ibex is pretty typical. There are a ton of them in Australia getting hard miles on them and the 450MT (same bike) is loved. Not liked, loved. Most think it a mini T7. I haven't seen many big problems with them either. CF also seems like a well-run company with layers of international ownership/investment. They are seriously invested in setting up in North America, too. I'm impressed even before I see the bike for real
Which ever manufacturer makes a fully faired adv bike with 50 - 60hp, under 400lbs, and decent suspension, they will own the "middleweight" market, in the mean time, ill keep my Tenere!
@burddog0792 nah, the AJP PR7 fits the bill, but it's a pretty niche bike, so does the KTM 690 if they would just build a more adventure oriented version of it... it will happen.
It's already here, you just build your own KTM 690 ADV via the enormous aftermarket. Sure, it will set you back some bucks, but light weight engineering isn't cheap.
@@user_28943 A 690 ADV off the showroom floor would be a good bit less than building one up on the aftermarket. And yes, the price of the base bike justifies what you get, but that's why they won't make a 690 ADV either, because while it would be lighter than a 790/890 R, it would still be a niche bike with a price around $14k 690 still makes sales because it fills the void from no one else making ~650cc thumper super dual sports.
I would love to see a comparison to the CRF300L Rally. I know one is more of a dual sport with a fancy trim package, but I think it would be a fun comparison all the same.
MCN has a direct comparison in their recent Small ADV group test! The Honda performed much faster off-road but they didn't actually prefer it as a ride.
I find it interesting that when people talk about middle weight ADV bikes, they hardly ever mention the Benelli TRK 502 and TRK 702. This bike is outselling the GS in some countries in Europe. Benelli just dropped the TRK 552 to replace the 502. It comes with a lot of nice features as standard that would be costly upgrades on any other bike.
Thats because the TRK 502 is anything else but not a middle weight class bike. Its more a small displacement bike with the weight of an GS 1250. And the worst part is that the weight is distributed more at the top, making it feel sluggish and heavy.
@@sportify4849 Exactly the point I was trying to make. It's huge and heavy for being an ADV with small displacement. It's a great looker ill admit but would never buy it.
@@Nucklehead-mm9gfExactly.the Benelli is not a good comparison against GS. The GS is a true off-road and on road bike, the Benelli is for those long dirt roads that people who don't ride long or are new will prefer. It's like comparing a Peugeot 208 with a BMW X5. Sure they are cars but their segment and purpose is way different.
Sorry how do you think you can independently weigh the front with the back on the ground then vice vera with the back and come up with the correct total weight ? I'm no physicist but I'm pretty sure that doesnt work.
CFMoto the maker of KTM’s woeful Camshafts , CFMoto are following their partners in the way they treat warranty claims , just deny & say take us to Court then .. so 8000 KTM owners are doing just that.
It is accurate. The delta is in the angular deflection caused by the height of the scale, which is pretty low and gives about a 1% less than true reading. So 450 pounds is maybe off by 4.5 pounds. I think the actual scale and its calibration and sensitivity would be a bigger factor in the total error value.
I really like this bike, especially in that grey. Great move by CF. But after owning a ton of bikes...this bike isnt quite enough on highway for power/wind protection and/or loaded up ADV, and still too heavy for serious offroad. Sooo many people buy a "Unicorn" then realize their style of riding is either more highway, or more offroad > then switch bikes within 2 years. If u prefer more offroad, the CRF Rally would be a better bike. If u do more ADV traveling the Honda AT or T7. Right now the only competition to the Ibex 450 is the KLR. There are far too many fragile ego's online to point out which one is better but its nice to have options.
I've watched several reviews now but nobody seems to be talking about the elephant in the room...gearing. From what I understand, it spins at about 5800 RPM at 100 kph, or 62 mph. That translates to about 7500 RPM at 80 MPH. With an 8000 RPM redline, running it on the highway at 80 seems like too much. I love the idea of smaller, lighter and less expensive, but without reasonable highway capabilities, it falls short as a true ADV bike, at least here in the states.
If the Himalayan 450 had a twin cylinder (285⁰ crank or a 315⁰ crank for the noise )engine similar to the cf 450 and weighed 180 kg (165 kg for perfection). It would have been the best ADV.
Did you say $6200, or $5200at the end of the video for msrp? Neither of which have I ever been quoted from a dealership in my area. Out the door with everything paid is more like $7800
CFMOTO weighs as much as a KLR650, same ground clearance, same suspension travel, has a six gear, but not enough power to have that gear high enough for interstate speeds. Doesn't have 25+ years of practical use and aftermarket parts/farkles and proven reliability. $1-2K cheaper. It's a "wait five years to see what breaks" kind of bike. Better to spend the extra money and get a DR650. Before you can't. As far as the strange concept of a "Beginner Bike", only people with money can think about buying one bike and then, taking the loss, buy their forever bike one or two years down the road. Most of us are done modding about two years later. In this case, there isn't really a lot of aftermarket for the bike, so you cannot even make it your own for a while.
Theres a lot of people that dont understand that the 482lbs is the ADV model KLR. The base model {which is trimmed out like this Ibex} is 456lbs but has almost 2.5 gallons more gas in it, and a tool kit. So its within 3-5lbs difference when they all call it Soooo much lighter.
I’ve seen people throw a exhaust and a map on these bikes and adds bit more power I’m really interested in getting one going to test ride one next week!
Ah. but you throw cobblestone into the mix and those Pirelli Scorpion Rally's are gonna tuck if the cobblestone is moist. (I rode 35+ years in 55 European countries. Street and (questionable legality) mountain trails. I was a technical rock climber and used to carry the gear to where we would camp under the climbs on my bike while everyone else had to hike.)
I didn't say best in the world. I said my favorite. Vanocher is long sweepers and a few tight switch backs so you're on the gas the whole time. It's like COTA.
Put that engine in a KTM EXC chassis, keep the abs switch, add a rally fairing and you'll have the unicon. This bike is not the unicon and it doesn't challenge the Tenere 700. But, 44 hp is plenty off road and all the bikes already do this well, it's sustained HWY cruising ability that they're missing.
It isn't supposed to challenge the T700. The bike is both more expensive and has a much bigger engine. For highway cruising simply change the sprocket and add a taller windscreen. But this isn't the point of use of this bike anyways.
I have a deposit for the first one at my local dealer, unfortunately, the owner called me to tell me they are being delayed 90 days for delivery of the 450. Bummer.
That really sucks. Here in New England CF dealers are everywhere. Definitely keep an eye out for early trade-ins next year. $9K is absolutely outrageous.
This thing seems really good but man, I just can't wrap my head around buying a Chinese bike. It's not even so much real concerns about reliability or anything, I just can't help feeling that I'd never stop looking it and thinking "maybe I should've bought a Honda instead." Admittedly it doesn't help that I seem to be one of the few who doesn't like the Ibex's looks at all, it's way too Gundam for me, I'm much more of a fan of the new Himalayan's old-school looks and that's something I AM genuinely considering buying because I like it so much despite having similar concerns.
Spit, ahmm, I mean Spite, I think you hit the nail on the head. While maybe a little more power coming out of the corners could be better, when you get it off road it starts to make sense. While there is no perfect/unicorn Adv the folks at CFmoto are trying really hard to develop and deliver one that comes pretty darned close. We can talk about the weight all day, but realistically the only way that happens is with much more expensive materials. At the end of the day, what we have is a really, really good Adv, that checks a lot of boxes at a price that won’t break the bank. In my mind a person can buy Ibex 450 and thrash on it, if it gets a few scratches and dings on it who cares, it didn’t break you when ya bought it. These are good times we are living in, at least in the motorcycle Adv market.
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Would you want a New CF moto or a $6500 Used ADV that some dentist put $3k-$5k of upgraded parts on it over the years?
@stevegee218 ill pass on the Chinese dumpster fire and take what the dr ordered...
Ask Quadlock when they are going to come out with a waterproof QI wireless charging Quadlock. Until they do, I'd rather throw my phone in a bag/pocket/case with external power and put a Carpuride on the bike.
can you do a video just on quad lock's products?
😀👍 Nice video.
the big 4 are really doing themselves a disservice by ignoring this category and not taking it seriously. CFMoto on the other hand seems to directly listen to the consumer and build the bikes people really want. I am super excited for this one
It's interesting to watch. I was talking to the guys at CFMOTO US and they pushed for the ABS button, the factory listened. That's the sort of thing that's setting them apart.
What really annoys me is how close they get without actually hitting it, as well. Honda alone has two directions they could come at it from, stick wire wheels and longer-travel suspension on the NX500 and you're basically there, or stick the 500 engine in the 300L Rally and you'd have a more off road-biased but still competitive bike there too. You can come up with similar stuff for a lot of companies, so many things that are almost what this is, but either too slow or just a few parts swaps away from being off road-worthy enough.
100%
Look what they could have done with the Transalp and didn’t…. 😡
@@TerrySylvester-ip9on was never meant for offroad, not many ppl actually drive offroad
I died at the “KTM, Blue KTM, Red KTM…” section. 😂 Well written Spite!
Thanks! I try to sneak in little gags like that
Blur ? As in husqvarna @@spitescorner
Yeah, it's just a reskinned KTM
@spitescorner I always thought as husky as a white ktm, though I'd say there more than reskinned ktms. There are some differences between the models. I've got a 21 Husky TE300i, and my buddy has a 23 gas gas EC300. Same bike, but mine has magura hydraulics and came stock with a map switch. His has braketec hydraulics and no map switch. Ktm Xc-w's come with brembo hydraulics and pds rear suspension where the latter have linkage rear suspension.
@@Douknowgregg to your point, they have done a decent job of differentiating the various brands with the components they bolt on, as with the use of the linkage for the KTM models, but the underlying engines are all the same with only slightly differing maps. The main frame section is largely the same too, with a slight difference being the carbon composite subframe they put on the Husky.
Been riding and racing for decades, usually on a Honda and to find the only new bike I'm actually excited about is from a Chinese manufacturer is quite a change. CFMoto and Kove certainly seem to be burning the midnight oil trying to actually build what the customers are asking for. We are experiencing a serious market shift, I hope they prove to be as good as they seem as it bodes well for the sport we all love.
Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself. It's an exciting time and I wish I was younger lol
It’s so cool to see CF Moto giving the consumers what they actually ask for. First we had the 450SS, an awesome entry level sport bike, which forced Kawasaki to update their Ninja 400, and now we’re getting a the IBex 450, which is getting A LOT of people excited. I know that I’m not the only one when I say I’m stoked to see what they come up with next!
Wondering if this will inspire Kawi to up their Versus game to 400 with some 21/18 wheels? A guy can dream...
I'm Australian. These have been here for about 6 months, and my local dealer tells me he's selling them as fast as he can ship them in. The first 500 into the country were pre-sold before anyone had seen it. Which is massive, because there's not that many of us here. Edit - It's bigger physically when you see it irl. Spike's a big bloke.
I kind of want more used ones on the market. I like Kawasaki but its mainly because their is a lot of used bikes and parts and aftermarket parts
CFMoto is good for everyone. It's forcing everyone to step their game up.
I've been shouting this for a while. People are finally starting to see it.
I totally see that as my personal benefit, because I doubt I’ll ever buy a CFMoto. Probably…
@@SchoolforHackers Your loss. But hey, this is America, spend your money wherever you see fit!
They dont have a lot of big bikes or fast bikes yet.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 and? The majority of people don't buy these bikes. The super sport category has been in decline for years now. The majority of people around the world don't ride these big bikes.
Love to see that you enjoyed it!
The 450 Ibex really seems like THE perfect small ADV. MCN's praise for it was absolutely glowing which is so rare from them. The only thing missing is cruise control but that's a big ask on an entry level bike!
It's got a cable throttle which I actually prefer for an ADV bike. One less thing to break in a spill
Japanese have had their foot off the gas for years. CF Moto is coming in fast and listening to what we want . This looks like a unicorn bike !
For someone looking to get offroad for the first time without breaking the bank it's basically perfect. Or if you want to leave the dualsport world and get an ADV bike, it's great for that too.
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Compare Chinese with Japanese 🙄🤦🏻🤣🤣🤣🤣
US regulations are why bikes like XR650, DR650 don't change. They get grandfathered because there is no major design change. Change the bike and the whole thing has to go through and meet the new regulatory requirements. Which is why there is a five year production window for new designs to meet regulations.
not just the japanese makes bikes
@@ouricthat is what they said about the British and jap bikes and look what happened 🤔
ADV trim bikes are the SUVs of motorcycles
Does this make the CFMOTO the 4Runner then?
@@spitescorner Buick Envision
@@fullmetalcorgi1350 Anything is an overlander if you try hard enough
@@spitescorner Ural
Totally agree and I’m loving it 😆
I’ve done 5,000 kilometres so far on my 450MT and this bike is awesome. I’ve even ridden two up with luggage and it performed beautifully. ✌🏽
How is it on the freeway at 80 MPH?
@@briansullins4778 I sit on the highways at around 110kph and it’s fine. It’s not a bike that is really suited to highway riding given it’s a small capacity engine.
You made me do math and I felt dumb 😂
There were two numbers and two Jakes. We got there in the end.
I almost bought one of these. Then I rode a V85 and bought one of those instead. I love the personality of that Italian v-twin.
The Guzzi is a keeper!
I almost bought the CFmoto 800 and ended up buying the Vstrom 800DE instead.
@@bradfuller1667 Good choice.
Most Aus riders are adding a 15t front sprocket and taller screen to this bike. Very few negative reports, biggest complaint is a missing drain hole in the bash plate support bars, easily rectified by drilling a 3mm hole at the lowest point.
Ive been waiting for this!
When you want to bash a motorcycle and have nothing, you say "not enough power". It has the power expected from a 450 cc engine.
Hey! I've recently bought a 450 MT, and I must say I'm very surprised with how good this bike is on the trails, one thing that people never mention with this bike is, that it comes stock with a 140/70 rear tire but you're meant to put on a 140/80 (it's on the original document) , do not change the front sprocket! the tire size diference is more than enough for you to feel the difference on highway revs and not loose torque on the trails! the suspension gets even better after a few weeks of riding! I took me at least a month to break in my suspension and it's really good now. you don't often get a bike that's this cheap and so well built, it feels light, you can adjust preload, compression and rebound, tubeless spoked rims, it has foldable mirrors, adjustable wind deflector, the abs/tc button is great, you don't even have to stop to turn it on/off and so much more tech that honestly you don't need but it's great to have. I have friends with T7's and they were blown away by this bikes capabilities, it handles rocky trails so easily that you sometimes forget that this is an adv bike. For those who want to hate this bike because it's made in china, google is free don't be ignorant.
As a Tuareg owner after test ride: CFM450 is a fantastic bike which feels very light. The price is also very sweet. But I wouldn’t compare it to T7 which is a whole different story.
Himalayan 452 review when ?
I'd love to review one. Royal Enfield won't return my emails
Yawn
Nice initial review, looking forward for the full one. Also, maybe in the future waiting for your impressions of the Kove 800X. Safe rides!
if you want to know the wet weight take it down to your next refuse recycle station where they have a weigh platform & you can then get an accurate wet weight on the reading, ususally outside the office building between the entry/exit.
That ABS/TC button seems like a no brainer, funny every adv bike doesn't have it.
There’s a review with a 10,000 km ride from Germany to Asia completed on this bike. Didn’t skip a beat.
Finally some decent options in the entry level ADV space. It's just a pity there's only 2 & none of them are from the big 4. The 400ish cc range seems to be the hottest bike segment at the moment, but the most compelling models all come from manufacturers in China or India, and none of them touched the ADV space until CFMOTO's 450MT (IBEX for the Yanks) & RE's Himalayan 450 were recently announced. And it's an easy choice. Want a modern ADV with all the bells & whistles then go for CFMOTO. Prefer a more vintage looking bike that hearkens back to the earliest ADV's then the Himalayan is for you. Kawasaki better have a Versys 450 up their sleeve for November, otherwise they're going to lose what little market share they have left in this segment.
I mean it never gets compared but the KLR really should. It might be a 650 but its weight, power, and even tech is comparable to what you would find on a beginner small CC ADV.
Rumour has it that Suzuki will bring out an updated DRZ400 (with EFI and possibly a 6th gear) in 2025...
I've been waiting for this!
Shout out to Janet Jackson.
I really want one of these next summer. I have only ridden a few dirt bikes about 25 years back and that is my only experiance on a motorized bike of any sort. The price is right, the power is great, sounds amazing, and it looks fantastic! The only thing that keeps me from nearly going out now and reserving one is that we're in need of a new or newer vehicle first and my family is against me getting anything with a motor and two wheels.
I have this bike. 1500 miles so far. Loving it, and only a small amount of previous experience off road. Could easily travel on it, especially avoiding the faster, boring roads.
My other bikes are all pure road bikes so the price for this one meant I was lucky enough to be able to add it to the garage without losing one of the others. :)
Just one point. Those tyres are the same as ours by the look of it. Not Pirelli, but CST tyres, with a similar pattern to the STR. A Chinese tyre, CST is the parent company of Maxxis if I read correctly.
I’m back! Took a break when things went away from the ADV and took the lean toward electric. Good work Spite! Enjoyed the review on a new bike I hadn’t considered before.
If CFmoto gains the capability to compete in MotoGP, it would be a significant milestone for the brand and China’s motorcycle industry. Competing at that level would demonstrate their advanced technology, engineering, and racing expertise. It would also boost their global reputation as a premium motorcycle manufacturer. Being in MotoGP means competing against well-established brands like Yamaha, Honda, and Ducati, so CFmoto's participation would showcase their ambition to be recognized among the top in the world of motorsports.
Likely never. It takes tens of millions of dollars just to run the team, then add on the millions for the R&D of a bike. All those big brands in MotoGP are very well established, multi-billion dollar companies. They do Sponsor a Moto 2 team.
Awesome video! Thanks for the feedback 📝
I had a ton of fun on this bike. I think the only thing I'd want the tune off the 450ss or the NK for a bit more grunt on the street, but otherwise it's a phenomenal package.
I'm about to buy my first bike soon, and I was looking for these to try out but there aren't any available in my area unfortunately. Thanks for sharing your experience with us!
Talked to my dealer in KCMO and they have 4 ordered and expect delivery in December or January.
Gonna be a bit before they arrive
LOL, so it was you...saw Dorks review first...now I know! So I should add crash bars if I plan on letting others ride it. gotcha. good to know.
Looks like a great little bike. Definitely something I’d consider as a daily if I ever need a replacement, I love ADV ergos.
Your twisty road was pretty straight...
The real fight is gonna be between this bike and the new RE Himalayan. Seems to me these are the companies really trying to compete in the bang4buck arena, great winfor consumers.
My boy trying to talk up 4 inches 😆
You work with what you got
@@spitescorner 😂
Was going to comment the same thing 😂
What Mrs Spite doesn't know won't hurt her 😉
Yes they are a great bike and I love mine. I've put 1600km/1000mi on mine and I haven't ridden it for 4 weeks (I fell off and bike landed on my foot and foot is still very sore). Tyres are not Pirelli Scorpion they are a CST cheap knock off. They're good on road and on hardpacked dirt/gravel but terrible in wet muddy conditions and also soft sand I believe.
I think the Kove adv. 800x is the perfect balance between a CFMoto 450 Ibex and a Super Adventure 1390 from KTM. The Kove has a 800ccm displacement engine and a weight (fueled up) ready to go of 415 pounds.
Who?
Isn't that the manufacturer who entered and finished the Dakar on their first ever show room production 450, against factories that have been competing for decades?
You mean the 450 that wasn't street legal and cost about $3500 too much .
@@scoobleI think third place. But I am not sure. I think the company Kove has potencial of becoming the next big thing with the product adv. 800x being a star.
@@sportify4849 they came third in one of the stages this year.
The 800 still needs a few bugs ironing out with fuelling though, but for a first attempt, its looking promising
Cool bike. Dig the large tank, ergonomics, price, push button ABS, basic but functional display, etc. The 400-500 segment is idea for dual-sports.... But 400+ pounds is NOT light. The KTM690, and equivalent, are about 325lbs and have 20 more hp, better clutch, etc..... CFMoto and Kove are doing great things though. Hope they continue. Love the huge tanks
They're a lot closer to the cfmoto when you set them up like this, I believe you're talking about the stripped down model?
@@christopherpekel6096 The 690 and Husky 701 shouldn't even be in the conversation with ADV they're Enduro and lack a lot of comforts for longer rides. A T7 is 450lbs~ as an example.
KTM 690 Is 350 lb fully fueled.
Changing abs without stopping…….sold 🍻
I can't stress enough how awesome that feature is. And as far as I know it's one of a kind. Maybe the KTMs let you do it?
I will now consider this as my next bike , thank you
Nice shirt! I just got back from Pattaya and loved enduro madness that’s crazy to see someone with another shirt
Which shirt? The one I'm wearing is from Traction Erag's Big Rock Candy Mountain in Kamloops Canada
@@spitescorner First part of the video his shirt says enduro madness sorry!
Also just curious do you think the bike would make it to 30k miles?
Oh, you meant the other Jake. And yeah, I'd be shocked if the bike didn't make it that far.
I just keep waiting for kawasaki to put the new 500 engine in the Versys x300. Dont get me wrong, the 300 is fast enough for a bike that weighs 385 pounds, but it has no torque or power until you hit 8000 rpm.
Kawasaki, please read Skierboy's post and give us a 500.
4 inches is alot?? Asking for a friend
Hi Spite, just wanted to address concerns about the Honda 500X. I ride the X, because I have a slight physical disability, it is reliable, easy to handle, can do easy off-road, carries me luggage and it's incredibly easy for me to get parts. I'm not looking to be a speed-demon. It suits ME. Sorry to disagree with you, Nat.
This and the Kove are actually sort of exciting after years of the same, ultra limited and stale stuff that's been squatting in this segment in the USA
Sounds silly saying beginner bike. Cause I've heard people on dual sports call people on the bigger adv bikes beginners also.
I'm sure this would beat middle and bigger adv bikes on a dirt course. Time wise. Jmo
Cfmoto! Now make a naked bike out of your inline triple. A modern classic styling like trident would be nice!
Mine's been ordered and mostly paid for since June.
Now they say another two-three months, since some moron, (AHEM!) gutted the EPA and they don't have enough staff to push the papers...
You want people who think like trump to win, otherwise there will be zero motorcycles
I must check out my dealer, they're a CFMoto stockist and I have my eye on the CL-C but I could try this out for size
Their 2025 lineup has some serious heavy hitters in it.
Cool review 👍🏼
I have one on order. Any day now...
I've been watching this bike since they released it. Spite's reaction to the Ibex is pretty typical. There are a ton of them in Australia getting hard miles on them and the 450MT (same bike) is loved. Not liked, loved. Most think it a mini T7. I haven't seen many big problems with them either. CF also seems like a well-run company with layers of international ownership/investment. They are seriously invested in setting up in North America, too. I'm impressed even before I see the bike for real
Which ever manufacturer makes a fully faired adv bike with 50 - 60hp, under 400lbs, and decent suspension, they will own the "middleweight" market, in the mean time, ill keep my Tenere!
Pipe dream
@burddog0792 nah, the AJP PR7 fits the bill, but it's a pretty niche bike, so does the KTM 690 if they would just build a more adventure oriented version of it... it will happen.
@@lorenzotelleria4200 I assumed you were talking about a twin. A 690 rally/adventure would be awesome.
It's already here, you just build your own KTM 690 ADV via the enormous aftermarket. Sure, it will set you back some bucks, but light weight engineering isn't cheap.
@@user_28943 A 690 ADV off the showroom floor would be a good bit less than building one up on the aftermarket. And yes, the price of the base bike justifies what you get, but that's why they won't make a 690 ADV either, because while it would be lighter than a 790/890 R, it would still be a niche bike with a price around $14k
690 still makes sales because it fills the void from no one else making ~650cc thumper super dual sports.
can't wait to actually be able to test this bike may be it will make regret buying an orange KTM
I would love to see a comparison to the CRF300L Rally. I know one is more of a dual sport with a fancy trim package, but I think it would be a fun comparison all the same.
MCN has a direct comparison in their recent Small ADV group test! The Honda performed much faster off-road but they didn't actually prefer it as a ride.
Perfect for South American roads and trails depending on dealer support.
I find it interesting that when people talk about middle weight ADV bikes, they hardly ever mention the Benelli TRK 502 and TRK 702. This bike is outselling the GS in some countries in Europe. Benelli just dropped the TRK 552 to replace the 502. It comes with a lot of nice features as standard that would be costly upgrades on any other bike.
It outsells GS because of taxes and price.
Thats because the TRK 502 is anything else but not a middle weight class bike. Its more a small displacement bike with the weight of an GS 1250. And the worst part is that the weight is distributed more at the top, making it feel sluggish and heavy.
Yeah but the TRK 502 weighs almost 500 lbs and has a 33 inch seat height. I really like it but its too big in my opinion.
@@sportify4849 Exactly the point I was trying to make. It's huge and heavy for being an ADV with small displacement. It's a great looker ill admit but would never buy it.
@@Nucklehead-mm9gfExactly.the Benelli is not a good comparison against GS. The GS is a true off-road and on road bike, the Benelli is for those long dirt roads that people who don't ride long or are new will prefer. It's like comparing a Peugeot 208 with a BMW X5. Sure they are cars but their segment and purpose is way different.
Sorry how do you think you can independently weigh the front with the back on the ground then vice vera with the back and come up with the correct total weight ? I'm no physicist but I'm pretty sure that doesnt work.
If i didn't already have a TransAlp XL750 this would be the bike I'd buy without question.
CFMoto the maker of KTM’s woeful Camshafts , CFMoto are following their partners in the way they treat warranty claims ,
just deny & say take us to Court then .. so 8000 KTM owners are doing just that.
Might look at SSS set of cams if they become an issue and SSS remap
Great bike for the price
… and it has tubeless?!? Unless someone from the big 4 drop an equivalent, this will be my next bike come spring.
I have my doubts that that is an accurate weighing method
Jake says he's gotten really accurate numbers this way. I'm inclined to trust him
@@spitescorner Yeah it looks wonky as Hell but I have seen others use the same method and it's usually pretty dang close.
It is accurate. The delta is in the angular deflection caused by the height of the scale, which is pretty low and gives about a 1% less than true reading. So 450 pounds is maybe off by 4.5 pounds. I think the actual scale and its calibration and sensitivity would be a bigger factor in the total error value.
@@spitescorner jake is also a snake and does not know math
I’m waiting till next spring to buy a new bike. It will be this one or the rumored 2025 DRZ 4xx.
I really like this bike, especially in that grey. Great move by CF. But after owning a ton of bikes...this bike isnt quite enough on highway for power/wind protection and/or loaded up ADV, and still too heavy for serious offroad. Sooo many people buy a "Unicorn" then realize their style of riding is either more highway, or more offroad > then switch bikes within 2 years. If u prefer more offroad, the CRF Rally would be a better bike. If u do more ADV traveling the Honda AT or T7. Right now the only competition to the Ibex 450 is the KLR. There are far too many fragile ego's online to point out which one is better but its nice to have options.
It's a 450 that is about 20lbs lighter than the too heavy KLR650. How can that be a good thing?
Does the exhaust have a nice growl ?
I think so. Especially when you put a pipe on it. Chase just dropped a video putting an exhaust on the 450SS. Same motor, slightly more hopped up tune
The ADV bike for us shorter people. :)
I've watched several reviews now but nobody seems to be talking about the elephant in the room...gearing. From what I understand, it spins at about 5800 RPM at 100 kph, or 62 mph. That translates to about 7500 RPM at 80 MPH. With an 8000 RPM redline, running it on the highway at 80 seems like too much. I love the idea of smaller, lighter and less expensive, but without reasonable highway capabilities, it falls short as a true ADV bike, at least here in the states.
Okay but real question…is it better than my dr200
How is the comfort on longer highway runs? Is this low seat very bad?
For me at 6'3 it's a little cramped, but with the taller seat it would be no problem at all.
If the Himalayan 450 had a twin cylinder (285⁰ crank or a 315⁰ crank for the noise )engine similar to the cf 450 and weighed 180 kg (165 kg for perfection). It would have been the best ADV.
430 LBS vs T7 being 452 LBS seems like a not big difference, but from reviews people say they feel way different.
Did you say $6200, or $5200at the end of the video for msrp? Neither of which have I ever been quoted from a dealership in my area. Out the door with everything paid is more like $7800
Yeah, didn't you know it costs at least $1500 for them to submit your registration documents to the DMV?!?!
I still find that reviewers bolting their phone onto the handlebars dumb
This is the first time I've ever seriously considered buying a non-japanese motorcycle.
I did, happy with my decision.
CFMOTO weighs as much as a KLR650, same ground clearance, same suspension travel, has a six gear, but not enough power to have that gear high enough for interstate speeds. Doesn't have 25+ years of practical use and aftermarket parts/farkles and proven reliability. $1-2K cheaper.
It's a "wait five years to see what breaks" kind of bike. Better to spend the extra money and get a DR650. Before you can't.
As far as the strange concept of a "Beginner Bike", only people with money can think about buying one bike and then, taking the loss, buy their forever bike one or two years down the road. Most of us are done modding about two years later. In this case, there isn't really a lot of aftermarket for the bike, so you cannot even make it your own for a while.
Theres a lot of people that dont understand that the 482lbs is the ADV model KLR. The base model {which is trimmed out like this Ibex} is 456lbs but has almost 2.5 gallons more gas in it, and a tool kit. So its within 3-5lbs difference when they all call it Soooo much lighter.
ADV riders are like 80% highway and 20% trails. 50HP doesn't seem enough for the road and the weight seems too heavy for the dirt
I’ve seen people throw a exhaust and a map on these bikes and adds bit more power
I’m really interested in getting one going to test ride one next week!
the 450mt will be my future bike. It will.
Do you think it will cruise at 75mph on the highway?
Yes it can... Maybe look into replacing the front sprocket for something "longer" if you will be doing more road than off road.
Yup, no problem. Might be a smidge buzzy, but powerwise there's nothing to worry about
Sorry but when are the bends coming on "the best road in the world"?
Come to Europe for that.
Ah. but you throw cobblestone into the mix and those Pirelli Scorpion Rally's are gonna tuck if the cobblestone is moist.
(I rode 35+ years in 55 European countries. Street and (questionable legality) mountain trails. I was a technical rock climber and used to carry the gear to where we would camp under the climbs on my bike while everyone else had to hike.)
I didn't say best in the world. I said my favorite. Vanocher is long sweepers and a few tight switch backs so you're on the gas the whole time. It's like COTA.
Put that engine in a KTM EXC chassis, keep the abs switch, add a rally fairing and you'll have the unicon. This bike is not the unicon and it doesn't challenge the Tenere 700.
But, 44 hp is plenty off road and all the bikes already do this well, it's sustained HWY cruising ability that they're missing.
It isn't supposed to challenge the T700. The bike is both more expensive and has a much bigger engine. For highway cruising simply change the sprocket and add a taller windscreen. But this isn't the point of use of this bike anyways.
I kind of want something like a CB1000 next
How is the quality of the bike, plastics, metal etc??
In europe it brings some chinese tyres. CST I think.
my next bike
I’m no physicist, but I’m pretty sure weighing the bike like that will not be 100% accurate. Either way I appreciate the attempt lol
Who dropped it? When it was weighed, it had no damage. When you rode it, it had loads 😂😂
That'd be me. Wasn't rolling when I dropped it sadly though.
How you not gunna show the dump? Lol
I wasn't rolling. Otherwise I would have. It was spectacular.
Is that the correct way to measure a bike’s weight? I find it not accurate
I have a deposit for the first one at my local dealer, unfortunately, the owner called me to tell me they are being delayed 90 days for delivery of the 450. Bummer.
I heard if you register for your own Chinese Communist Party membership card they will rush you one of the first units off the assembly line.
The problem for me is the dealer network at least near me. It's a 6400$ bike yet you can't get it for less than 9k OTD out here because of adm
That really sucks. Here in New England CF dealers are everywhere. Definitely keep an eye out for early trade-ins next year. $9K is absolutely outrageous.
I want one so bad
I hope to buy it
This thing seems really good but man, I just can't wrap my head around buying a Chinese bike. It's not even so much real concerns about reliability or anything, I just can't help feeling that I'd never stop looking it and thinking "maybe I should've bought a Honda instead." Admittedly it doesn't help that I seem to be one of the few who doesn't like the Ibex's looks at all, it's way too Gundam for me, I'm much more of a fan of the new Himalayan's old-school looks and that's something I AM genuinely considering buying because I like it so much despite having similar concerns.
India is a dump though
Is that the best way to get an accurate weight measurement?
is the 450 handle better then transalp in twisty?
Spit, ahmm, I mean Spite, I think you hit the nail on the head. While maybe a little more power coming out of the corners could be better, when you get it off road it starts to make sense. While there is no perfect/unicorn Adv the folks at CFmoto are trying really hard to develop and deliver one that comes pretty darned close. We can talk about the weight all day, but realistically the only way that happens is with much more expensive materials. At the end of the day, what we have is a really, really good Adv, that checks a lot of boxes at a price that won’t break the bank. In my mind a person can buy Ibex 450 and thrash on it, if it gets a few scratches and dings on it who cares, it didn’t break you when ya bought it. These are good times we are living in, at least in the motorcycle Adv market.
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