Which Company Is The Best? 2
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2021
- This is the 2nd video for the best company of wooden model ship making. This one includes OcCre and some more examples from the other companies. Also some tips of what to check before buying a wooden model. This Video comes in 1080p.
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Great advise John. I could look at your models all day
Thank you very much Jim!!! I am glad that you like them :)
Thanks a lot, I built the Polaris from Occre already as entry model (I am building normally plastic scale models), now I ordered the Beagle from Occre too, your video helped me to confirm the quality of occre and I can see that I could also go for Artesania latina. BTW excellent collection of models you have, they look great. Saludos
Thank you very much!!! I am glad that i was able to help you :)
Thanks for the information John on different companies. As I started my first model Beagle by Occre. Indeed even for me as a novice builder the instructions by Occre are up to high standard. The instruction videos they make are also helpfull. But most of all your tips and tricks help me a lot in building the Beagle.
I am glad that i was able to help you Peter :)
Nice video of your skills. I made the Constructo Bounty last year. I actually purchased the kit in 2002 but ran into problems with the hull which caused me to make an error in the planking. I left it on the shelf gathering dust for years before seeing a build of the same model. I stripped the frames about 2 years ago and virtually started again once I realised what I needed to do. I replaced the odd colour rigging and replaced the ships boat too. I made many super detail changes and copper plated the hull. I also opened out the transom and added many little details including correcting the side windows to the original Admiralty plans. The model was my first wooden ship and was a good build once I was able correct the hull errors. The ship looks good now and like you she sits in a display case which is a must have for any detailed model. Anyway I enjoy your builds and videos, great work. JH ;-)
Thank you very much John!!! I think that your Constructo Bounty must be a work of art :)
Another excellent video John thanks a lot mate stay safe👍🐕🐕
Glad you enjoyed it George!!!
Great advice, John....thanks!
20+ years of experience in a few minutes :)
Hi John.I have been doing a lot of searching on You Tube about ship models and as it is over twenty years since I last built a ship model, which was the Caldercraft (Jotika) HMS Agamemnon. Caldercraft models are very very good, but are much more expensive than most of the other companies, and the instructions and quality of materials are very good. However, I have found from my own research, that Occre seem to be the way to go now that I am getting back into ship modelling again. I am starting with the Occre Bounty, cut away model, but I may decide to fully plank it and make it a full model, we will see when I come to start building it. I am happy to say the model arrived yesterday and everything looks very well made and the instructions are crystal clear and in perfect English. I think I made a good choice.
Regards
Geoff.
You are going to love it Geoff, trust me :)
OcCre Best company. Very good materials and good aftersale...
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Well John I would have to say you did good on this video and I could not agree with you more about what you have said. I look for the fine details and close up pictures also. I love the fine craftmanship on cannons and the different sizes on the rope. As far as wood goes if it is very bad I can always get better wood, but that may not be the same for others. No one should have to go to after markets to get good parts for there build, you have already paid for it. But there is always a way to fix someone else mess ups and laziness. I stop there....lol
I do agree with you my friend!!! You paid for something and it has to be good, it has to be satisfied to you, other wise there is no point of buying it :)
Such great videos and summarized information, thanks a lot, John! Wish I was able to see such a video like 5-10 years ago :) One question from me - what kit/s would you suggest for total beginners?
P.S.: I went with OcCre Corsair for the first kit and I can say it has some flaws in the materials (I'm not the only one who actually broke some of the pieces trying to bend them hehe especially the bulwark) as well as I had to request instructions in English additionally (and they could be a bit better and more extended with more pictures) but the aftermarket service was indeed great and very responsive.
Hi Ivo! Thank you for your kind words! If you have made the Corsair and you wish to do something simple try this : www.occre.com/model-ship/albatros.html ,if you want something a little better from the Corsair i would recommend the Beagle, after that the difficulty is getting higher so are the prices :)
Hi John thanks very much for all the tips all the times of ships and which is the better companies goodbye . For Christmas last year I got the Black Pearl call my son . Instructions were terrible i’m just going through all the pieces yet to see how they’re doing
Try OcCre Bill, you will be amazed from the total package :)
Thanks John.. It would take me years to learn half of what you have forgotten!!
Glad i was able to help James :)
Thank you John. Your advice will save people a lot of money and disappointment. I will agree with you that Occre are the best, their range and choice of models is also excellent.
I glad that you liked it Keith :)
@@JohnsWoodenShips you mentioned in your video about models being painted too much to cover bad materials. but would like to ask have you ever omited the painting so that you just see the beauty of the wood.
@@keithcheeseman567 I have chosen only models without much painted areas so far. The Montanes is the 1st model i do that has painted rubing strakes and a small part of the hull. In some models that the hull is completely painted there is the possibility that the wood quality in not as good as it should be.
Hello John and greetings from Ohio in the USA. I have been following your videos quite closely and I purchased the OcCre Beagle on your recommendation. I really enjoy seeing Wolf at the beginning of your videos. He's a great fellow!
My question: have you had any experience with American made kits such as Bluejacket Shipcrafters or Model Shipways?
Hi James, welcome aboard!!! I am glad that you like my work and Wolf is happy that you like his entries :)
No i haven't made any model from American kits so i cannot tell if they are well made or not.
Vivre au milieu de tous ces vaisseaux donne envie de prendre le large !!....Superbe travail et superbe collection ...
I love it when i enter the house my friend!!!
Hi John. very good comparasion video. THX. May i ask you what do you thik about company ZHL models from China. Its looks amazing but im afraid about quality and support. Im really like their model USS Bonhomme Richard. I'm currently working on the Fregate Diana from Occre but i thing my next model will be USS Bonhomme Richard despite of higher price.
Thank you very much!!! I saw the pictures of the USS Bonhomme Richard and i think that the level of detail is very good but the wood that i see it is not sapely or walnut. It reminds me the type of wood of Amati, so i am not so sure about the quality and the price is way to high. If you do not find a video with close ups don't risk it.
Do you have an opinion on the paints you have used? I'm tending to go with OcCre but wanted another opinion before I purchased any.
I used enamel from Humbrol but the acrylics from OcCre are pretty good :)
I want to make a little coment on my expirience with Artesanía Latina. I have made 3 ships from them, the Sultan (Arab Dhow), the Virgini (Schooner) and the San Francisco II (Galeon ). Two of them were mising wood sticks to make the masts, i had to make them out of other sticks that didnt match the color. Also there were lots of steps missing in the instructions, which led me to skip them. Fortunately, I was able to correct all those mistakes, but it would have been easyer to do so if the instructions told me to do them at the right moment.
Certain problems with Artesania... If nothing is missing then something is wrong.
Great video John. Very helpful.
Up to now I have only made 2 wooden ship models, the Beagle, by Occre, and the Revenge by Victory Models ( which I believe is a joint collaboration between Euromodels and Amati).
I found the Beagle was exceptional in its detail, instructions, plans and materials, and for the cost I think amazing. The build series on RUclips from Occre for this model made it an ideal starter for a complete beginner like myself. I know you are planning on making this model after you have finished the Montanes, and I look forward to hearing your opinions about it through the build.
The Revenge was amazing in its quality of materials, instructions and plans and I thought it was a huge step up from the Beagle in almost all areas (including price) although I would have loved a bit more deck detail. So as far as the Victory models range goes, I would be very happy to do another. In fact I have my sights on the HMS Vanguard - if only I had room in my house to put it somewhere :(
I'm currently building the Occre Mississippi Paddle Steamer and I'm finding the instructions and plans aren't as clear, although the materials are pretty decent. I suspect that its because this is an earlier model from Occre and that they have improved a lot since this model first came out.
However, like you I have an overall liking for Occre from my limited experience, and I love how they like to engage with thier customers - always a good sign) so looking forward to my next build - their latest model - The Endurance.
Thanks again John your videos are invaluable!
Thank you very much for your kind words!!! I appreciate it :)
I agree Occre IS the BEST. I have built one of each, and hace to say that Constructo and Artesanía are not acurate.They look like Ikea kits
What would you recommend as a first build? I am quite experienced in plastic modeling but that’s way different, I want to try wooden ship modeling but where do I start?
Welcome aboard! I believe this one is appropriate to begin with : occre.com/en/collections/modelismo-naval/products/albatros
Thanks! I will definitely purchase this.
Hi. What do you think about Billing Boats? I have specialy Norske Love on my mind. I'm afraid IT could be harder to build due to being older kit compared to Occre kits.
Another question. If you had to help choose somebody his first woden kit and aviaable kits were occre diana, artesania latina hermione la fayette and billing boat norske love. What would you choose?
Greetings from Poland
I took a tour at their site, all the models have large colored painted areas and there is not a single close up picture. I haven't made any of them but with that presentation i won't risk it.
@@JohnsWoodenShips Thanks for answer. What about Occre Diana vs Artesania Latina Hermione la fayette
@@jtsw1999 If you like finding mistakes in schematics and trying to cover up missing pieces go for the Artesania, if not go for the OcCre model :)
Hi, I enjoy your channel a lot and I was wondering, I want to buy the Thermophylae from Sergal in 1:124 scale, could you give me your opinion on it and if its a good deal for 150$ canadian?
Thank you very much! From the photos i can tell you that the level of detail is very good and the quality of materials is good but not the best. Yes go ahead buy it and enjoy your build :)
@@JohnsWoodenShips thanks, for the quality, is it: the ropes, the wood or the blocks? I appreciate that you are very close to your public and take time to answer questions.
@@glebel375 I am referring mostly to the quality of the wood. It is not premium bad not bad, you can tell by the cut on the wood strips at the photos of what is included in the kit.
io quando incominciai negli anni 80 indiscutibilmente la migliore a quell'epoca era la COREL la quale offriva ottimi disegni, essenziali se vogliamo ma chiari e veramente imparavi tante cose. Per quanto riguardo i materiali erano di bellissima e ottima qualità a parte qualche particolare come le coffe o i para sartie che regolarmente ricostruivo. Per le altre ditte italiane di quell'epoca c'era la Mantua model , Amati e altre, che non reggevano minimamente il confronto con la Corel. Per esempio costruii la cannoniera della Mantua model, della scatola utilizzai solo i cannoni, bozzelli e bigotte i rimanenti legni da buttare completamente. Oggi come oggi ( sono passati oltre 40 anni ) sicuramente tutto è cambiato quindi attualmente non posso dare giudizi su nessuno, anche perchè costruisco solo su disegno pur facendo un estrema fatica a trovare certi materiali (solo su internet) in quanto sono pochissimi i negozi in Italia che si OCCUPANO ANCHE DI MODELLISMO NAVALE ANTICO.
Sur le 2ème navire les 2 drapeaux ne correspondent pas au vent ?? ...Bravo á John pour son savoir faire , de magnifiques maquettes ...De superbes boiseries ...
Yes maybe :) Thank you Robert for your kind words!!!
artesania latina le hermoine my first ever wood model so many parts broken like how to you break and anchor in the box instructions on cd as first experience would not buy again but atleast broken parts are being replaced by them but coming from china lol will try occre next
Hi John, you have the Union Flag upside down on HMS Victory's bowsprit.
Thank you Stuart for letting me know :)
@@JohnsWoodenShips You're welcome John. It's a fairly common mistake, even here in UK. "Broad white stripe up", as we say. I've just completed my Montañés & now about to start second planking of my Beagle.
@@stuartlittle62 I see that you make the same models, are you enjoying them? Do you like the series?
@@JohnsWoodenShips I very much like the series. I agree with your comments on Occre & Corel kits. I started a Corel Victory & found if I'd placed the deck as per instructions it would look like that of HMS Queen Elizabeth! The wales were wrongly aligned, so it's now abandoned for when I've nothing else to do. My kit of Montañés had two of the same side metal bases for the stern galleries, not liking these I made a pair from wood, I also didn't like the metal gun carriages, so again I made my own in wood. I turned to your videos often to help me with the rigging. When I get to building my Santisima Trinidad no doubt I will be re-running your videos. Keep up the excellent work ,both building & filming. I'm presently building Beagle, Le Superbe (Mantua) & Bounty (Billings). This is my first Billings kit - there are no written instructions, only illustrations no photos, & plastic gun carriages! Yuk! I've made wooden ones.
@@stuartlittle62 Yes i know about the cannons, that the one think i do not like in OcCre's kits so far. Plastic parts in wooden kits, i hate that , i hated the dead eyes in Montanes, at least you couldn't tell the difference easy.
Just curious, what in your opinion is the prettiest and the ugliest ship model that you've built?
By visual look only
Up to now Santa Ana is the best looking but this will change with Victory. The ugliest was the Endeavour.
Hi, I was very grateful for your excellent video concerning what ship models to buy.
I am a seasoned modeller having built a lot of models but only two wooden ships, both came veryy low on your quality ranking.
So I am taking your advice and now looking at the range of Occre models that look just about right for my interest.
So can I ask, do you ever buy a kit and think some parts and not as detailed as I would like and search for other scale parts that are just better. I call this up detailing or super detailing, where can one buy these up detailed parts of the required quality and what makes of product should I avoid. I am looking at starting with the Occre Endeavour. Kind regards Dave Porter London England.
Hi Dave! I am glad that my video was useful to you :) Yes i do buy kits that some parts are not in the quality or the level of detail that i want. Some things i make my self, or i am making additions. But i haven't tried to buy the materials that i need ,such as cannons for OcCre kits, if i am not pleased with them.
@@JohnsWoodenShips thanks John, but where is best to buy the addiction parts like cannons.
@@davep4703 Don't know Dave, i have never searched but i can tell you that, the best cannons i have encountered were from Artesania Latina.
Hi DaveP . Might be way to late , but is a company in Australia that sells many cannons of differant sizes , l have got some and were good . Tell me if you need to know
I was thinking about buying a model from Occre, but i bought from DeAgostini Model Space because i already built one. I can say the quality of materials is same as with Occre, and the instructions are good, i would recommend them but not during Covid, because i am waiting two and a half months for a model which is very expensive, and that is only bad thing about that conpany, their extremely high prices of models. The model is french ship Soleil Royal.
I haven't made a model from that company but in my mind DeAgostini was always a company for mass production. I ever believed that they didn't have good quality so i never gave it a shot.
Hi, DeAgostini are good for the basic model and as you gather experience you can easily upgrade little things to how you want them. However you are right about their delivery speeds. It is also very important to check every section to make sure it is all there! I have several of their ships and bought them as a complete kit which is cheaper. I got them way before Covid and they were just as slow then! You have to keep on at them with emails so that they get their act together. I hope it works out for you soon and enjoy your build. JH ;-)
Occre actually works with deagostini on their models i think. I got the Sovereign of the Seas kit (total noob move, since it was, and still is, my first large kit, it's a massive motherf****r), and i got occre pamflets in some of the issues. I don't know if occre makes the kits for deagostini, or just advises them. The most recent one, the San Martín, also was sponsored by occre if i'm not mistaken. Quality is pretty good, but some of the blocks in the Sovereign kit have broken when trying to open the holes up a bit. I also have artesania latina kit Le Hussard, and as John says, shit ass instructions, and about 3-4/10 quality, some pieces are good, some are just straight garbage (the fucking bow section of the keel broke straight outta the box). Also got the Titanic from Amati, planks are shit. And Victory from Cosntructo, i just don't understand why the bow figurehead as some nice metal casts, and then the the aft castle just has some brass etched bullshit. Im gonna go full impro mode on that part, i just don't like the difference in detail between two parts of the same kit
That detail about the dark green rope is everithing I need to know, I dont like it at all, thank you for advertissing me.
Glad i was able to help :)
Fantásticos barcos,por cierto,una sugerencia, podrías subtitular tus vídeos en español, sería fantástico para mí y para muchos más y ganarías subscriptores.Saludos.
Thank you very much!!! I know you are right, but unfortunately i do not speak Spanish so i am not able to translate everything correct. The various translate programs are not doing a good job...
what do you think about jotika company?
From the photos the models seems to have a lot of detail and good quality. But the have one big problem, they don't have sails and to build a sail ship you need sails :)
@11:10, that looks like it was ripped like balsa strip stock is when you get a model airplane…
It is not balsa, do not remember it's type but definitely not balsa.
@@JohnsWoodenShips I didn’t explain well enough. I just meant it looked like the same method was used. I don’t know HOW many sheets of stringers I’ve had to toss because of breakage or none of them were uniform.
That’s all I meant: cheap manufacturing process.
@@RossPotts I agree, many pieces were poorly made from cheap materials.
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Thank you!!!
Thank you..............I'll stick to Billing Boats
good information.. just to say nice model but your use of lacquer or shellac make it look too plastic .. just my taste
I am glad that you found that interesting. I like gloss varnish.
Master Korabel from Russia - the best kits.
Haven't made anything from them, so i cannot have an opinion.
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Can you tell me if De Agostini are still in business? I want to try 1:84 HMS VICTORY Cheers Dick Pleash
I do not know for sure but i believe they are.
I have a feeling that De Agostini is not a model ship company but a publishing service that sales, among bugs and earth minerals, model ships created by other companies and I strongly believe it's Artesania Latina's models.