Since it sounds like the guy lost , even in the appeal, I hope the dealership lost out on tons of business from this story. Spread the word to anyone who lives in town..with the power of social media, this dealership could be put out of business.
The dealership was in possession of a stolen vehicle... they had no choice. If they would have given his vehicle back they could get charged. They also completed the work on the vehicle so of course they want their money. It’s not their fault it was stolen.
I know. My Jetta was set at $12,998, but they threw in a Bogus interest rate that they never told me about. I started payments last May and still haven’t gotten it down to sticker... at $400 per month. To make matters worse, the car is only worth $7,500 in its current condition. They made me pay three times it’s worth. They are all snakes. - They said it was worth $10,000, and I believed them. Until I saw how much they were going to pack in interest... then I got curious how shady they were, and looked at Kelly Blue Book. A 2016 Jetta S 5 Speed Manual with the 1.4 EA211 TSI VVT is worth between $7,000 and $8,200. Other examples in worse condition would be around $5,000-$6,000.
Well they didn’t sell him the stolen car though. All they did was fix a car he brought in. So they fixed it and he paid for the repair. Contractually they did what was asked.
And the mest up part is that the dealership whos vehicle was stolen wants to sell the guy another vehicle from their lot.... After it was all repaired and good to go they won't give it to him??? Fukin joke...
Why would I ever “work” with a dealer on a new purchase after they took my money for repairs on a car they knew was stolen? Thats some dirty shit right there!
jclaunch00 The dealership should have put lein on car so when returned to ins company they would have to pay for restored recovered stolen. This guy didn't owe a dime to them.
why would the guy EVER buy a car from you after you had him pay the 5300 dollar repair bill in cash THEN set him up with the police? i'd sue the hell out of the dealership for double the repair bill and try to get this story on the news as much as possible.
Captain Quirk I will never shop for a Lexus when you have dealerships that act like this just looking to con money out of honest people for nothing, if they are willing to screw you like this and knowing the bad publicity it will bring, imagine what they will do to get your cash when it just comes to normal business for these crooks,
+Captain Quirk Not accurate. First, the sovereign immunity or "qualified immunity" is not absolute protection against proven negligence. Furthermore it would protect the officers themselves from civil or criminal prosecution, that in no way insulates the department from the negligence through respondeat superior. No, the government is in NO WAY generally immune from lawsuits. Specific government actors are immune as long as their actions were in good faith. He would certainly have a very strong case that police negligence directly cost him and it was easily preventable.
Hilary Fox would you have known it was stolen after taking appropriate actions and channels? And those enquires showed no problem? Shoulda kept quiet Dumb ass! Or at the least corrected yourself.
"He did everything right, but that was not enough to protect him." That means that the system is broken. This guy made MANY efforts to do the right thing and he got screwed anyway.
Ian Battles that's how the laws work, all designed to fuck the poor guys at all turns even if the poor guy does everything right, since they know the poor guy don't have enough cash to fight the theft they commit against him, this is legalized theft nothing more nothing less
"Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of the government." -- _Pierre-Joseph Proudhon_
It's not the dealership. They didn't sell him the car. They did the repairs. It's the police because they didn't do the proper checks to confirm it doesn't show up in any database. Had they done their job properly the guy would have handed over the car and reported where he bought it. It's their fault and they should owe him the costs of the repairs.
systematic101 the car was stolen he would obviously have the identity of the guy who sold him the car because you cannot transfer ownership without that so that means the previous owner either bought it under the table or willingly sold it knowing it was stolen
systematic101 still does not mean the police owe any money if the car was not stolen and they marked it as stolen then I could understand but the fact of the matter is that car was stolen from someone so it needs to be returned to its original owner. but in the end it's not the police's fault it's the owner's fault if the car was stolen he should have the identity of the guy who sold in the car he would give the identity to the police the police would go find that guy and he would get his money back cuz then they would arrest the real Thief
The New Mexico State Police had the perfect opportunity to make this right and get some good press from it. Instead they force this man to sue them. This is the type of law enforcement we pay for in this country. Police screw up and feel no remorse what so ever.
Stupid Plumbing people don't realize everything is s pr stunt now a days. The best thing you can do as a company/organization is the thing the most people find moral
+Money Man They may all be separate, but they are all the same. Try and find "one" police department that pays for it's law suits out of their own budget or out of their own pension.
Cops don't care. When they screw up, the taxpayers pick up the tab and the officer goes on his way. Make them pay out of their pocket and these incidents will immediately stop.
I will tell the dealer good at 5K you’ve got for me should serve as a down payment for anything I want which will be on the bill of the police department
After a vehicle is stolen and enough time passes the insurance company pays the victim the fair value of the car. In exchange the victim signs off saying they give up rights to the stolen car and give the rights to the insurance company. So if a stolen car is ever retrieved as in this case the car goes back to the listed owner which is the insurance company.
As the previous reply said, the insurance company would have gotten the rights to the vehicle, but I'm pretty sure they would have quickly sold it to recoup some of the losses they incurred by having to pay the original owner its fair value when it was reported stolen. That's standard practice in the insurance industry. I would guess it got auctioned off and it's now in the garage of some new private owner.
Probably a mistake by the contracting companies. They are responsible for 99% of government screwups. People like to blame the government itself but it's usually the private sector that actually drops the ball.
+icemachine79 that's not true. If there's no requirements or available api you can't expect private companies to defy their paid assignment and contracts to do something different. These things usually happens because of lack of communication between government entities, they're responsible for telling the contractors what to do. Ideally in this case there should only be one database (because you only need one and it saves tax-money) but both two government entities wanted their own so it will be an inherent sync issue between the two.
+Völundr Frey The requirements for government contract negotiations are set by politicians who are in turn lobbied by the exact same companies who compete for those contracts to make those rules as advantageous and profitable for them as possible. I would not be surprised at all if each agency is required to maintain a separate database for that very reason. This is why involving the private sector in certain realms of governance is such a terrible idea. The profit margins of the various contracting companies becomes the primary causal factor for all of the work done by the agency rather than achieving the goals that required the agency's existence in the first place.
+icemachine79 no every governmental body who needs a computer system should not have their own software engineering division the size of a medium size company. Talk about wasting tax-money. The issue derives from having a gigantic government each different entity of which competing for their relevance. The solution is to simplify the government by reducing the size of it. If company A makes one system, because one part of the government want to be in charge of stolen cars. And company B makes another because and other part of government want it too it's no the private companies fault the systems doesn't tessellate perfectly. It doesn't really matter whether the private companies should have suggested a joint database, the government shouldn't build two systems doing the same thing.
Sue the dealer for the $5,300.00 then sue the State Police for false imprisonment and false arrest for $1,000,000.00 then go find that "friend" that sold you the car and burn his house down.
Joshua Pavao The dealership is in the right because the police are the people who seized the car and everything after their mistake. The dealership did $5k of work on his car and couldn't undo it all. They couldn't take a loss because of a stolen car so they obviously had him pay first. How would they have gotten their money they lost? It all goes back to the police. It's entirely their fault, not the dealership. Dealership = business Police = civil service
_KingCobraa_ Incorrect, it is obvious the dealer waited till the repairs where done till telling him. And even if that is not the case he still paid $5,300.00 to fix it regardless. The dealership is liable for the $5,300.00 for the retaking of the vehicle after service was rendered. Learn civil law, I did.
So know the guy gets charged with attempted murder and agrivaded assult.think he's going to to have to pay more layers after this he will be penny less I know it's a joke but damn .
PUGGDAD not really.... especially after putting thousands more in it for repairs... 25,000 wouldn’t even buy him another one... I mean for fuck sakes if a family member passed and you inherited a house and someone offered you 150k when it’s worth more and you are using it would you just sell it?.....
What what In Da Butt - House is a different story. You can live in a house, rent it out, sell, etc. a car is a depreciating asset so if there’s a chance to make a profit on a car, always do it.
So after he refused to sell it for way less than what it was worth, the dealership took his money for repairs and called the cops on him??? What dealership was this?
Well, no, the car went back to the Colorado dealership from which it was stolen (or more accurately, its insurance company). The New Mexico dealership is still pretty sleazy, though. They gladly took Mr. Lujan's money to repair the car, knowing full well that they were going to turn the car over to the police moments later.
Thats how the police prove guilt though, they have to catch people in the act of paying, the money itself might not even have gone to the dealership, it should be taken as evidence by the officers, making it more complex then you think.
@ mitch: No, there was no question that Mr. Luhan was asserting possession (and indeed, ownership) of the car in question. Even from a law enforcement point of view, there was no need for the Lexus dealership to make him actually pay the repair bill before the police arrested him. The dealership just wanted to get his money before the shit hit the fan.
In defense of the dealer I heard a little more about this and they completed all the repair work and installed all the parts and paid a mechanic to do all the work and the police showed up at the dealer and notified them it was reported stolen after all the work was done. The dealer then asked the police what to do about all the money that was put in it and they said it is on the customer that authorized the work to be done as being responsible so the dealer with the understanding a criminal made them work on a stolen vehicle was coming to pick it up then of course they wanted to get money for the parts/labor they provided! Nothing came out about it being an honest mistake until after the cops took him away. Just because it is a dealership does not mean they deserve to get burned. Imagine if someone brought something to you and you put money and labor in it and then found out it was stolen, you would try to get paid what you are owed also before the criminal was arrested.
W MITCH how do you think the police found out the car was at the dealership??? Dude had it for 3 years prior but it goes to the dealer for 7 days and the police just magically knew it was there? The dealership called the police yet still did the work and took his money. Stop defending them.
@ L. Faulcon, 200% on point. I would not only sue the Police departments responsible for their mistakes but also that Lexus dealership for taking his money when they found out the car was stolen. But that shows the laziness of police and the greediness of that dealership.
oh man my heart goes out to this guy he did everything right and he got screwed over and the cops threaten him with violence and arrest for something he did not do I hope he does well in the future and get what he actually deserves Justice
Juan Perez Being arrested is not an option. You go along with it or the cops will kill you. That was the threat. Don't mistake you're head up your ass for a worldly view.
The dealer needs to give him his money back, if they knew it was stolen they should not have done the work. He definitely has a case against the state police.
Supa Doopa Actually I have a 2010 Scion, and the model for it says toyota. Lexus and Scion are owned by Toyota, so they will put Toyota as the model sometimes
Dealerships suck. I once needed an airflow sensor for my car and the dealership was going to charge me $500 just for the part. I literally laughed in their face and said "No, I'm not going to pay that much. Goodbye." Then I went to Autozone and they had the part with a $10 core charge. Total was $95 with core charge. I also looked at the prices on eBay, they had it for $50. A lot better but it was going to take 2 weeks to get to me. I needed my car to be fixed right away so I ended up paying the $95. I replaced the part myself in just 15 minutes. You don't always need a dealership. They charge way too much, even for the little things. They also bring problems to you like the guy in this video experienced.
I'm not sure how this works in the states, but where I live (the Netherlands), we would call this "Bought on good terms" making the car legally his property,
Neil Birchall which is a terrible idea of how to handle things like this, the car should clearly be his car with a clean title since he did all the right things when buying it if the fucking cops had done there job right they would probably have caught the thief years earlier
The Police didn't hold the title to the car. Why should the original owner lose out? It's unfortunate because this man seems a nice guy and I think what the car dealership did was utterly reprehensible, the fact remains that the title holder still owns the vehicle.
The dealer wants to get him a good deal on another car.. ahh yes.. 'Hey mr. Luhon, Sorry we blew it by taking your 5k plus in cash, but how about we give that back to you, and you can make a nice down payment towards this brand new used 2013 lexus starting at 45k? but don't worry!, we'll give you 0.9 percent financing and your payment will only be 575 a month. congratulations!
Give the 5K back? Lololol more like the dealership meant they work with him on getting him a good deal on a car by taking like $200 off the sticker price. Only a fuckin moron would think the dealership would give him that money back
My insurance company basically stole my truck after an accident while I was still in physical rehab and took it out of state to a parts farm saying the truck was totaled. Grrrrrrrrr........... I got it back, but it cost me money, they could've towed it to my house instead.
+XGC Scrappy Why should they? Gobermint and Insurance companies closely work together to scam the public out their hard-earned money. lol...What can you do as a person who lives paycheck to paycheck against MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR Corporations with top-notch lawyers who knows the ins and outs of the LAWS? Pretty much nothing unless you want to loose everything you got lol... They know how to play their games, XGC... Sorry to hear about your truck.
How did state police suddenly know it was stolen and was at the Lexus dealer being repaired? Do car dealers run the VIN number when you repair a vehicle? We get a New Mexico channel on TV and there have been times when someone bought a used car from a dealer and it turned out to be stolen, the new owner lost all that money, and nothing happened to the dealer. I wouldn't buy a used vehicle because of all this kind of trouble.
Most dealerships when they perform repairs tie those repairs to the VIN number. Those may trigger it, or just them checking the vin number may cause it to pop up in the system as stolen from another dealership.
Gil Ramirez why does he deserve the car over the person it was stolen from? he doesnt deserve anything he bought a car with no title and took that risk he shouldn't be awarded for dumb ass decision
He now owns part of the car. Because he bought it on good terms every repair he made is his there transfering stake of the car to him. The dealership it was stolen from owes him money as we can be damn sure they got full insurance from it and now they have a fully repaired car thus 2x the starting amount
+Bic Mann Yep and this Lexus dealership doesn't deserve a single dime of business from the public ever again as a result of being stone-cold jerks. They could have taken the hit and not only done the decent thing but generate some great publicity as well. Instead, I bet they've lost a whole lot more than $5000 ever since this story broke.
Jay K. Yes, except the dealership doesn't get the car. They were already paid for it. The insurance company now owns the car. There needs to be some kind of protection for the victim though. Now he's out 10 grand.
It's funny...only moronic ppl who never HAVE/OWN anything let alone a business say stupid stuff like the 'dealer' should just GIVEAWAY "anything" of HIS lot.... Taking a loss...because other ppl messed up...all of a sudden, now the dealer ( who almost gave the guy 25k themselves for the 🔥🚗) is somehow obligated to be 🎅 with his family's finances.... Basically the dealer should BUY this guy a 🚗....why? Because the dealer OWNS something? Because he may be doing a little better in life...it's his duty/obligation to BUY a stranger that the dealer didn't wrong whatsoever, a car Makes ZERO sense except in the minds of the weak entitled mindset of the 'product' we're now producing as adults....it's a darn shame ppl always want to be in another man's pocket...TELLING 'him' how and what to spend HIS 💰 on It's always the 'if I HAD IT' folks...clamouring about what they 'would DO...again IF "thay" had it'... the point is you DON'T have it so it's very easy to SUGGEST how another person spends THEIR 💰 Perhaps since I don't have onw I should preach to women about giving up more 🐱 to any guy going through ruff spot cause ta know it'd be a nice gesture and it's not like women don't have 🐱 to spare....they shouldn't be greedy If the dealer should offer ANY car on HIS lot....why not demand women offer up that 🐱 in ANY way desired 😜
The Cops should return all moneys this gentleman spent plus apologies from the two cops who read him his rights and threatened him with jail. Way to go , great job Cops!!!
I would take the police department to court, and sue them for their mistake. As civilians if we make a mistake the police and the rest of society would make us pay and ask for accountability the police are just as liable for stuff when they mess it up and should be held accountable and it's disgusting that they don't, even more disgusting that they lured this man to the dealership knew that he was going to pay this bill of over $5000 and then threatened him with arrest after he paid the Lexus dealership. Sounds like the Lexus dealership and the cops conspired to rob this man. These police officers were armed with the knowledge that the citizen did his due diligence in regards to the vehicle, and they still insisted on treating him in the way they did. Disgusting then again All cops are disgusting and that Lexus dealership not a shock I mean come on douche bags in the Lexus dealership want money.
This is one of those cases if I win the Lottery for big $$ I would surprise that family with a bad ass Lexus. Too many of use "normal " people get screwed and just can't recover , good luck my friend.
The state police should be buying him a new vehicle or at least giving him his money back for everything he paid for they made the mistake not him he should own up to it the state police which we all know will never happen they’re all crooks...!!!
The state trooper should be made to pay plus the dealer who worked on it first he took his money then he took him to the cops now there's the crook . They make the mistake but there never made to pay for there mistake and if they are it comes out of taxes payers pockets .
The true criminals are the STATE POLICE. They did not go to his home or work to arrest him. They waited until he paid for repairs to a stolen vehicle then confiscate the vehicle......They should have done their job in the first place by going to him to arrest him. Not Please the dealership who told them about the vehicle. Please, wait until we get paid for this work we did, even though we have insurance. Lets this guy feel the real burn of buying a stolen vehicle that he wouldn't have bought if the cops would have done their job correctly the first time.
The dealer where it was stolen from should give it back to him. The dealer has insurance on the vehicle that would’ve compensated them back in 01 when it was stolen.
+Johnanthan Grey It doesn't matter how right you are. If they don't come out ahead of you, then they will make sure that they do by whatever means even if it means LYING, CHEATING, etc, etc....WHY? because they got the LAWS and the GOBERMINT on their side.
They TOOK the $5300.00 then introduced him to the cops.
I WOULD NEVER VISIT THAT LEXUS DEALERSHIP
Since it sounds like the guy lost , even in the appeal, I hope the dealership lost out on tons of business from this story. Spread the word to anyone who lives in town..with the power of social media, this dealership could be put out of business.
Did they do the work ? Or just take his money
The dealership was in possession of a stolen vehicle... they had no choice. If they would have given his vehicle back they could get charged. They also completed the work on the vehicle so of course they want their money. It’s not their fault it was stolen.
@@mojave7604 Then they should go after the car owner to get paid.
@@mojave7604 they didn't give a damn about doing what was right, just about the dollar nothing else.
The dealership screwed the guy and now wants to sell him a new car. Car sales people can be snakes.
Robert Cole preach it brotha! They should give him a new car for free
Dealing with police and car salesmen at the same time would be a compounded nightmare.
@White Cobra they are vultures as well.
I know. My Jetta was set at $12,998, but they threw in a Bogus interest rate that they never told me about. I started payments last May and still haven’t gotten it down to sticker... at $400 per month. To make matters worse, the car is only worth $7,500 in its current condition. They made me pay three times it’s worth. They are all snakes.
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They said it was worth $10,000, and I believed them. Until I saw how much they were going to pack in interest... then I got curious how shady they were, and looked at Kelly Blue Book. A 2016 Jetta S 5 Speed Manual with the 1.4 EA211 TSI VVT is worth between $7,000 and $8,200. Other examples in worse condition would be around $5,000-$6,000.
They did the work it was not their responsibility to make sure the car was not stolen. They did their job.
Shady how they made him pay the $5300 first.
well , yeah had to get the money first, before "oops" moment.
How did the coproaches know that the Lexus was at the dealership? hum
Well they didn’t sell him the stolen car though. All they did was fix a car he brought in. So they fixed it and he paid for the repair. Contractually they did what was asked.
crooked
And the mest up part is that the dealership whos vehicle was stolen wants to sell the guy another vehicle from their lot.... After it was all repaired and good to go they won't give it to him??? Fukin joke...
Why would I ever “work” with a dealer on a new purchase after they took my money for repairs on a car they knew was stolen? Thats some dirty shit right there!
ALL dealerships will screw you!!!!!!!@!@!
@Leo Lawrence
Yeah, but some much harder than others!
@@moses7874 All dealership may get burned in the next riots.
Of course the dealer waited until after he paid his bill before bringing him to the police.
Yeah, that was pretty shitty of them. No doubt they had to pay it all back (and more, I hope!) in order to settle the guy's lawsuit.
damn thats just fucked up
Naturally. He put a lot of work into the car, it's not his fault it's stolen.
jclaunch00 The dealership should have put lein on car so when returned to ins company they would have to pay for restored recovered stolen. This guy didn't owe a dime to them.
jclaunch00 how did he owe them money for something that he didn't own
why would the guy EVER buy a car from you after you had him pay the 5300 dollar repair bill in cash THEN set him up with the police? i'd sue the hell out of the dealership for double the repair bill and try to get this story on the news as much as possible.
Yep. I wouldn't touch that dishonest dealership with a hundred-foot pole.
Captain Quirk I will never shop for a Lexus when you have dealerships that act like this just looking to con money out of honest people for nothing, if they are willing to screw you like this and knowing the bad publicity it will bring, imagine what they will do to get your cash when it just comes to normal business for these crooks,
jclaunch00 they charged the wrong person the mony the insurance company owned the car
They probably knew. They just wanted to wait until he repaired the car.
of course thats what happened
It seems likely, but why would they offer him 25k for it if that was the case?
Its weird how after the car was repaired and running is when the dilership says its a stolen car
Police error cost him, they are liable.
Captain Quirk wow ..awesome reply ..
Thank you. :-)
Nick Fiscina it takes one to know one!
+Captain Quirk Not accurate. First, the sovereign immunity or "qualified immunity" is not absolute protection against proven negligence. Furthermore it would protect the officers themselves from civil or criminal prosecution, that in no way insulates the department from the negligence through respondeat superior. No, the government is in NO WAY generally immune from lawsuits. Specific government actors are immune as long as their actions were in good faith. He would certainly have a very strong case that police negligence directly cost him and it was easily preventable.
Hilary Fox would you have known it was stolen after taking appropriate actions and channels? And those enquires showed no problem? Shoulda kept quiet Dumb ass! Or at the least corrected yourself.
both depts. should be payin him his money back!!!
slikdarelic with interest
Money don't go that way, only us to them. This is why I laugh when cops die on the TV news.
slikdarelic I agree
Unless the officers did the investigation, they were called and therefore no they shouldn't
So they can auction it off if the true owner does not respond. More money for the department to buy guns, cars and other needed supplies.
The Dealer then promises to give you a good deal on another car. Expect to pay $9,999 not $10,000!
plus tax title and fees... assholes!
More like $9999 but you have to get this extended warranty for $4000 in order to get the special price of $9999.
"Here is your receipt for the repair, oh, by the way the State Police are here."
"He did everything right, but that was not enough to protect him." That means that the system is broken.
This guy made MANY efforts to do the right thing and he got screwed anyway.
I know, right?
Ian Battles that's how the laws work, all designed to fuck the poor guys at all turns even if the poor guy does everything right, since they know the poor guy don't have enough cash to fight the theft they commit against him, this is legalized theft nothing more nothing less
"Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of the government." -- _Pierre-Joseph Proudhon_
0:41 A Lexis???
Rahul Ukani lol
So this should be an open and shut case. The state police owe him the money he spent on the vehicle.
systematic101 the police told him nothing it's the dealership who owes him something for selling a stolen car
It's not the dealership. They didn't sell him the car. They did the repairs. It's the police because they didn't do the proper checks to confirm it doesn't show up in any database. Had they done their job properly the guy would have handed over the car and reported where he bought it. It's their fault and they should owe him the costs of the repairs.
systematic101 the car was stolen he would obviously have the identity of the guy who sold him the car because you cannot transfer ownership without that so that means the previous owner either bought it under the table or willingly sold it knowing it was stolen
It's still the fault of the police for not doing their job properly. They event admitted it was their fault.
systematic101 still does not mean the police owe any money if the car was not stolen and they marked it as stolen then I could understand but the fact of the matter is that car was stolen from someone so it needs to be returned to its original owner. but in the end it's not the police's fault it's the owner's fault if the car was stolen he should have the identity of the guy who sold in the car he would give the identity to the police the police would go find that guy and he would get his money back cuz then they would arrest the real Thief
The crookedship allowed him to pay although the police was in the process of taking the car.
Stealership.
bc they wanted their money first
It turned out to be a present for one of the Troopers' wives.
No wonder they waited till it was fixed.
The New Mexico State Police had the perfect opportunity to make this right and get some good press from it. Instead they force this man to sue them. This is the type of law enforcement we pay for in this country. Police screw up and feel no remorse what so ever.
Stupid Plumbing people don't realize everything is s pr stunt now a days. The best thing you can do as a company/organization is the thing the most people find moral
You do know all police departments are separate right?
+Money Man They may all be separate, but they are all the same. Try and find "one" police department that pays for it's law suits out of their own budget or out of their own pension.
Stupid Plumbing moneyman is a pig for sure
Albuquerque does. Our city self-insures so when losing a suit the city pays out of its own (taxpayers) pocket
Cops don't care. When they screw up, the taxpayers pick up the tab and the officer goes on his way. Make them pay out of their pocket and these incidents will immediately stop.
@Pedro Daniel Lopes Ferreira youre a fucking idiot.
lmfao that dealer still wants his business after that 5k cash drop
I will tell the dealer good at 5K you’ve got for me should serve as a down payment for anything I want which will be on the bill of the police department
Pretty sure this vehicle ended up in the garage of either someone in law enforcement or the insurance company.
After a vehicle is stolen and enough time passes the insurance company pays the victim the fair value of the car. In exchange the victim signs off saying they give up rights to the stolen car and give the rights to the insurance company. So if a stolen car is ever retrieved as in this case the car goes back to the listed owner which is the insurance company.
As the previous reply said, the insurance company would have gotten the rights to the vehicle, but I'm pretty sure they would have quickly sold it to recoup some of the losses they incurred by having to pay the original owner its fair value when it was reported stolen. That's standard practice in the insurance industry. I would guess it got auctioned off and it's now in the garage of some new private owner.
why aren't the databases linked?
Probably a mistake by the contracting companies. They are responsible for 99% of government screwups. People like to blame the government itself but it's usually the private sector that actually drops the ball.
+icemachine79 that's not true. If there's no requirements or available api you can't expect private companies to defy their paid assignment and contracts to do something different. These things usually happens because of lack of communication between government entities, they're responsible for telling the contractors what to do. Ideally in this case there should only be one database (because you only need one and it saves tax-money) but both two government entities wanted their own so it will be an inherent sync issue between the two.
+Völundr Frey The requirements for government contract negotiations are set by politicians who are in turn lobbied by the exact same companies who compete for those contracts to make those rules as advantageous and profitable for them as possible. I would not be surprised at all if each agency is required to maintain a separate database for that very reason. This is why involving the private sector in certain realms of governance is such a terrible idea. The profit margins of the various contracting companies becomes the primary causal factor for all of the work done by the agency rather than achieving the goals that required the agency's existence in the first place.
+icemachine79 no every governmental body who needs a computer system should not have their own software engineering division the size of a medium size company. Talk about wasting tax-money. The issue derives from having a gigantic government each different entity of which competing for their relevance. The solution is to simplify the government by reducing the size of it.
If company A makes one system, because one part of the government want to be in charge of stolen cars. And company B makes another because and other part of government want it too it's no the private companies fault the systems doesn't tessellate perfectly. It doesn't really matter whether the private companies should have suggested a joint database, the government shouldn't build two systems doing the same thing.
@@icemachine79
Ncic is an FBI database in other words a federal system that is run by the FBI.
Sue the dealer for the $5,300.00 then sue the State Police for false imprisonment and false arrest for $1,000,000.00 then go find that "friend" that sold you the car and burn his house down.
Joshua Pavao The dealership is in the right because the police are the people who seized the car and everything after their mistake. The dealership did $5k of work on his car and couldn't undo it all. They couldn't take a loss because of a stolen car so they obviously had him pay first. How would they have gotten their money they lost? It all goes back to the police. It's entirely their fault, not the dealership.
Dealership = business
Police = civil service
_KingCobraa_ Incorrect, it is obvious the dealer waited till the repairs where done till telling him. And even if that is not the case he still paid $5,300.00 to fix it regardless. The dealership is liable for the $5,300.00 for the retaking of the vehicle after service was rendered. Learn civil law, I did.
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So know the guy gets charged with attempted murder and agrivaded assult.think he's going to to have to pay more layers after this he will be penny less I know it's a joke but damn .
Jesus Christ yes
"a good deal on ANOTHER CAR"
What a slap in the face
Bought it for $3,500 and was offered $25,000 and didn’t take it? Geeezzzz...
Cause he wanted it as a gift to his wife. did you watch the whole video?
XHeadshotfreakx - I did dumbass, and if he sold it for $25,000 that would of been a better surprise!
PUGGDAD not really.... especially after putting thousands more in it for repairs... 25,000 wouldn’t even buy him another one...
I mean for fuck sakes if a family member passed and you inherited a house and someone offered you 150k when it’s worth more and you are using it would you just sell it?.....
What what In Da Butt - House is a different story. You can live in a house, rent it out, sell, etc. a car is a depreciating asset so if there’s a chance to make a profit on a car, always do it.
If after doing a little research, 25k was a fair offer then I'd sell it too.
I hope Luhan gets his lawsuit.
Sandra Oss I hope he did too
He lost sadly
Really? That's just too bad.
how can you lose that?!
do you have a link to the case?
One individual between the Police and the Car Dealership decided that they wanted his SUV. Period!
So after he refused to sell it for way less than what it was worth, the dealership took his money for repairs and called the cops on him???
What dealership was this?
Car was 11 years old is wasnt worth 25000
@@cmorse813 a low mileage good condition lx470 has always been an expensive vehicle. Very possibly could have been 25k at 11 years old.
@@Creating_Space That's absolutely right.
It seems to me that the police owe this guy some money.
that case stinks for a mile. dealer wanted to buy this car for 25 grand, owner says no, so in my opinion dealer funded his own way to own the car
Well, no, the car went back to the Colorado dealership from which it was
stolen (or more accurately, its insurance company).
The New Mexico dealership is still pretty sleazy, though. They gladly took
Mr. Lujan's money to repair the car, knowing full well that they were going to
turn the car over to the police moments later.
Thats how the police prove guilt though, they have to catch people in the act of paying, the money itself might not even have gone to the dealership, it should be taken as evidence by the officers, making it more complex then you think.
@ mitch: No, there was no question that Mr. Luhan was asserting possession (and indeed, ownership) of the car in question. Even from a law enforcement point of view, there was no need for the Lexus dealership to make him actually pay the repair bill before the police arrested him. The dealership just wanted to get his money before the shit hit the fan.
In defense of the dealer I heard a little more about this and they completed all the repair work and installed all the parts and paid a mechanic to do all the work and the police showed up at the dealer and notified them it was reported stolen after all the work was done. The dealer then asked the police what to do about all the money that was put in it and they said it is on the customer that authorized the work to be done as being responsible so the dealer with the understanding a criminal made them work on a stolen vehicle was coming to pick it up then of course they wanted to get money for the parts/labor they provided! Nothing came out about it being an honest mistake until after the cops took him away. Just because it is a dealership does not mean they deserve to get burned. Imagine if someone brought something to you and you put money and labor in it and then found out it was stolen, you would try to get paid what you are owed also before the criminal was arrested.
W MITCH how do you think the police found out the car was at the dealership??? Dude had it for 3 years prior but it goes to the dealer for 7 days and the police just magically knew it was there? The dealership called the police yet still did the work and took his money. Stop defending them.
Should've known something was wrong when the paper had it spelled Lexis
Sretlaw 27 lol
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Sretlaw 27 came to comment section to see this exact comment.
I’m like “ I can’t be the only one who saw that 44 seconds into the video “
@ L. Faulcon, 200% on point.
I would not only sue the Police departments responsible for their mistakes but also that Lexus dealership for taking his money when they found out the car was stolen.
But that shows the laziness of police and the greediness of that dealership.
So all of a sudden when he fixed it they want it back
oh man my heart goes out to this guy he did everything right and he got screwed over and the cops threaten him with violence and arrest for something he did not do I hope he does well in the future and get what he actually deserves Justice
I missed the part where there was "violence" threatened. Don't let your own worldview color your perceptions so easily.
Juan Perez Being arrested is not an option. You go along with it or the cops will kill you. That was the threat. Don't mistake you're head up your ass for a worldly view.
False arrest and kidnapping are violent crimes.
Mr Lujan and his family need to move
Why should this guy pay for there mistake
Well bless that man and his wife, but he was right ,there was a snake in the grass the police.
The dealership also
The dealer needs to give him his money back, if they knew it was stolen they should not have done the work. He definitely has a case against the state police.
I think all his money need be returned or car giving back to him.
0:42 -- "Make: Lexis"
I'm fucking dying.
It also says Model: Toyota.
These two things should have tipped him off right away.
Supa Doopa Actually I have a 2010 Scion, and the model for it says toyota. Lexus and Scion are owned by Toyota, so they will put Toyota as the model sometimes
Ender Games Toyota is a make... not a model dude...
Yeah, i'll bet the dealer wants to "work" w/him.
Dealerships suck. I once needed an airflow sensor for my car and the dealership was going to charge me $500 just for the part. I literally laughed in their face and said "No, I'm not going to pay that much. Goodbye." Then I went to Autozone and they had the part with a $10 core charge. Total was $95 with core charge. I also looked at the prices on eBay, they had it for $50. A lot better but it was going to take 2 weeks to get to me. I needed my car to be fixed right away so I ended up paying the $95. I replaced the part myself in just 15 minutes. You don't always need a dealership. They charge way too much, even for the little things. They also bring problems to you like the guy in this video experienced.
Boycott that dealership!!!!!
I'm not sure how this works in the states, but where I live (the Netherlands), we would call this "Bought on good terms" making the car legally his property,
Same thing in the UK.
stephano1990 He should force them to undo all of the repairs he paid for in good faith.
Wrong. Stolen property is still stolen property at least in the UK
Neil Birchall which is a terrible idea of how to handle things like this, the car should clearly be his car with a clean title since he did all the right things when buying it if the fucking cops had done there job right they would probably have caught the thief years earlier
The Police didn't hold the title to the car. Why should the original owner lose out? It's unfortunate because this man seems a nice guy and I think what the car dealership did was utterly reprehensible, the fact remains that the title holder still owns the vehicle.
The dealer wants to get him a good deal on another car.. ahh yes.. 'Hey mr. Luhon, Sorry we blew it by taking your 5k plus in cash, but how about we give that back to you, and you can make a nice down payment towards this brand new used 2013 lexus starting at 45k? but don't worry!, we'll give you 0.9 percent financing and your payment will only be 575 a month. congratulations!
The guy would take it, then moves to mexico, and say screw Lexus.
But don’t forget they will give him three months before he has to even make his first payment!
Steve Winter turns out the the "brand new used 2013 Lexus " was a steal of a deal!
Oh shit...
and free cookies & cofee.
Give the 5K back? Lololol more like the dealership meant they work with him on getting him a good deal on a car by taking like $200 off the sticker price. Only a fuckin moron would think the dealership would give him that money back
Let's all make this dealership known to the public by making this go viral
So, what was the eventual outcome of this, seeing as how it was posted 8 years ago..?!
www.courtlistener.com/opinion/2672352/lujan-v-general-motors/
That is sad
My insurance company basically stole my truck after an accident while I was still in physical rehab and took it out of state to a parts farm saying the truck was totaled. Grrrrrrrrr........... I got it back, but it cost me money, they could've towed it to my house instead.
+XGC Scrappy
Why should they? Gobermint and Insurance companies closely work together to scam the public out their hard-earned money. lol...What can you do as a person who lives paycheck to paycheck against MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR Corporations with top-notch lawyers who knows the ins and outs of the LAWS? Pretty much nothing unless you want to loose everything you got lol... They know how to play their games, XGC... Sorry to hear about your truck.
How did state police suddenly know it was stolen and was at the Lexus dealer being repaired? Do car dealers run the VIN number when you repair a vehicle?
We get a New Mexico channel on TV and there have been times when someone bought a used car from a dealer and it turned out to be stolen, the new owner lost all that money, and nothing happened to the dealer.
I wouldn't buy a used vehicle because of all this kind of trouble.
great question, why do you have to make the "journalists" job though?
I work at a dealership. When we put a vehicle into our system, it can show as stolen if another dealer flags it that way.
They definitely run vin numbers.. it’s how you see all the maintenance/repairs on car facts sites ect via vin.
Most dealerships when they perform repairs tie those repairs to the VIN number. Those may trigger it, or just them checking the vin number may cause it to pop up in the system as stolen from another dealership.
And that's why you never buy anything without the title in view. Take a picture of both sides before they whisk it away from you.
Time to sue both the dealship and both states cop. Talk about incompetence.
Sue them all for incompetency and lack of better judgement.
Mediocre police work at it's finest.
Coppydoublelopp Kliem that's what we get from pig's most of the time,
Police: mediocre?
Never buy a newer car without a title was his first mistake, second was trusting government.
How can you blame the guy this is a lesson to all sheep's get coated and the wolves make it up Everytime.
They better give him every penny he paid to fix it towards a new vehicle at the VERY LEAST!! That’s a shady dealership!
That dealership should be named and so people can chose never to use it ever again!
give him a car with the repair money!!!!
Gil Ramirez why does he deserve the car over the person it was stolen from? he doesnt deserve anything he bought a car with no title and took that risk he shouldn't be awarded for dumb ass decision
Bic Mann but he went through all the steps correctly. It wasn't a risk if it's checked by a cop. It wasn't his fault gtdo
He now owns part of the car. Because he bought it on good terms every repair he made is his there transfering stake of the car to him. The dealership it was stolen from owes him money as we can be damn sure they got full insurance from it and now they have a fully repaired car thus 2x the starting amount
+Bic Mann Yep and this Lexus dealership doesn't deserve a single dime of business from the public ever again as a result of being stone-cold jerks. They could have taken the hit and not only done the decent thing but generate some great publicity as well. Instead, I bet they've lost a whole lot more than $5000 ever since this story broke.
Jay K. Yes, except the dealership doesn't get the car. They were already paid for it. The insurance company now owns the car. There needs to be some kind of protection for the victim though. Now he's out 10 grand.
If I was the owner of the dealership I would give him a brand new Lexus for free, of his choosing from the lot.
And who would pay for it lol
Poke .... Him, the hypothetical owner of the dealership
Sminem you're an idiot
Poke and this is why u dont own a business
It's funny...only moronic ppl who never HAVE/OWN anything let alone a business say stupid stuff like the 'dealer' should just GIVEAWAY "anything" of HIS lot....
Taking a loss...because other ppl messed up...all of a sudden, now the dealer ( who almost gave the guy 25k themselves for the 🔥🚗) is somehow obligated to be 🎅 with his family's finances....
Basically the dealer should BUY this guy a 🚗....why?
Because the dealer OWNS something?
Because he may be doing a little better in life...it's his duty/obligation to BUY a stranger that the dealer didn't wrong whatsoever, a car
Makes ZERO sense except in the minds of the weak entitled mindset of the 'product' we're now producing as adults....it's a darn shame ppl always want to be in another man's pocket...TELLING 'him' how and what to spend HIS 💰 on
It's always the 'if I HAD IT' folks...clamouring about what they 'would DO...again IF "thay" had it'... the point is you DON'T have it so it's very easy to SUGGEST how another person spends THEIR 💰
Perhaps since I don't have onw I should preach to women about giving up more 🐱 to any guy going through ruff spot cause ta know it'd be a nice gesture and it's not like women don't have 🐱 to spare....they shouldn't be greedy
If the dealer should offer ANY car on HIS lot....why not demand women offer up that 🐱 in ANY way desired
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The Cops should return all moneys this gentleman spent plus apologies from the two cops who read him his rights and threatened him with jail. Way to go , great job Cops!!!
This all sounds like Mr. Luhan will be getting more than he spent on the 2001.
I would take the police department to court, and sue them for their mistake. As civilians if we make a mistake the police and the rest of society would make us pay and ask for accountability the police are just as liable for stuff when they mess it up and should be held accountable and it's disgusting that they don't, even more disgusting that they lured this man to the dealership knew that he was going to pay this bill of over $5000 and then threatened him with arrest after he paid the Lexus dealership. Sounds like the Lexus dealership and the cops conspired to rob this man. These police officers were armed with the knowledge that the citizen did his due diligence in regards to the vehicle, and they still insisted on treating him in the way they did. Disgusting then again All cops are disgusting and that Lexus dealership not a shock I mean come on douche bags in the Lexus dealership want money.
This is one of those cases if I win the Lottery for big $$ I would surprise that family with a bad ass Lexus. Too many of use "normal " people get screwed and just can't recover , good luck my friend.
Stitched up on so many levels. Someone should be paying him back for sure.
Never go to that dealership again.
i love how they said they will work with him to get a good deal on car
AFTER SPENDING ALMOST 15000+ on this car......
What was the final outcome?
www.leagle.com/decision/innmco20140306233
No good deed goes unpunished.
Legend says he still cant believe it till this day
Good deal? the dealership should give him back his money
The state police should be buying him a new vehicle or at least giving him his money back for everything he paid for they made the mistake not him he should own up to it the state police which we all know will never happen they’re all crooks...!!!
Mike Michael's easier said than done
That dealer is a pos.
I know what it is like to lose thousands over someone else's mistakes. This should be a Crime!
Hahah
The dealership knew the car was wrecked and waited for that man to fix it before asking the police to get it
This is a rip off man
so whoevers car got stolen is getting it back in showroom condition. Literal definition of bitter sweet lol
at least the original owner is gonna be real happy.
It was stolen from a dealership
Police be like, oh great you got it fixed, it’s ours now
He lost his lawsuit against New Mexico police by the way
Ryan Jones Of course he did! They never win. It’s sickening.
Damn, I wouldn’t have done half of these steps.
If a private seller of a car or a used car dealer does not have a title to that car you want, don't walk away...RUN!
I hope he also sued the insurance company to recover his repair cost. @ $100 bucks per hour plus parts at retail cost.
The state trooper should be made to pay plus the dealer who worked on it first he took his money then he took him to the cops now there's the crook . They make the mistake but there never made to pay for there mistake and if they are it comes out of taxes payers pockets .
The true criminals are the STATE POLICE. They did not go to his home or work to arrest him. They waited until he paid for repairs to a stolen vehicle then confiscate the vehicle......They should have done their job in the first place by going to him to arrest him. Not Please the dealership who told them about the vehicle. Please, wait until we get paid for this work we did, even though we have insurance. Lets this guy feel the real burn of buying a stolen vehicle that he wouldn't have bought if the cops would have done their job correctly the first time.
And the dealership it was after he payed when they told him
Police and dealer are absolutely liable for this.
Would you trust the dealership that let you pay ... then introduced you to the officers who were going to take your car. lol
He should get his money back and then some
0:43
I've had a Lexus myself before... but never owned LEXIS.
Lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit!
The dealer where it was stolen from should give it back to him. The dealer has insurance on the vehicle that would’ve compensated them back in 01 when it was stolen.
Even when you do the right thing. there's no Guarantee it well come out the right way.
+Johnanthan Grey
It doesn't matter how right you are. If they don't come out ahead of you, then they will make sure that they do by whatever means even if it means LYING, CHEATING, etc, etc....WHY? because they got the LAWS and the GOBERMINT on their side.
Here!!! Here!!!
Did anybody else notice the title for the car said "Lexis" not "Lexus" so technically it wasn't even officially titled to him.
how does it being misspelled mean it isnt his? is his name lexus, or is that the car? use your brain
It wasnt even a title just a bill of sale, that was the problem in this case.
This is ABSURD.
12 years ago and he is still waiting for that good deal
So they were just cool with him buying a "Lexis" as shown on the Bill of Sale?
0:42 Anyone notice that he spelled "Lexus" wrong?
Thomas Jones lexis lol
This kind of unnecessary stress prematurely ages people. The two PDs that failed in their duties owe that couple a two week vacation.
They should be paying him back the money at least
Of course he pays and then they tell him
Typical police screw up.
Lawyer, lawyer, lawyer!
He should have taken the money
0:41 Learn How To Spell Who Ever Wrote That Wrong It's Not Lexis It's Lexus
FTP
work with him to get a new deal on another car??! lmao
Good luck man you did everything right I hope you get back what you deserve
if luhan was white they would probly get him a new car
Micah Andersen idiot