Been watching these videos for months. I am now convinced there is not a dial indicator in this entire country. Not taking away from what they do, it just amazes me.
I want to learn how to do things like that. Not doing things by rote, but how to make hand tools for every purpose. Let us return to the era of the slide rule and the tool-and-die: CAD and injection molding makes you soft.
There doesn't appear to be a lot of PPE either, not even cheap safety glasses. Their work is incredible but I don't imagine they'd get a lot in compensation if they lost an eye or two
Marvellous video, my late father would have loved it. He was a model engineer in his spare time, but refused to buy in steel stock or castings for his traction engines. Every thing had to be made from scrap materials and his workshop was similar to this but on a smaller scale.
Amazing work being turned out on old beat up machines. I began my working life in tool and die making back in the late 1970's but left the field once manufacturing began drying up here in the states. I remember cutting gears using a dividing head as is shown in the video. You did not want to be distracted cutting gears.
As a 35yr Journeyman Machine Repairman , The noises that Lathe was making had me wincing and looking for my safety glasses ! And Junior on the tail stock with a pipe ! good thing he knows how to make a gear ! And that old No2 Knee Mill !!!!! Bravo to all his tooling and fixtures !!!!
it never ceases to amaze me what people can do with machines that are this old, i mean as long as the ways are straight and the gibs are tight thats all you need. I once had a job doing centerless grinding on ceramic parts, and the machine i used to hold tenths on was like 50 or 60 years old and completely worn out. In fact every machine in that shop was worn out haha but we still made good parts.
Installed these on a riding mower ruclips.net/user/postUgkxetgfkJxfdT_B2vGYP-uNTLaBbim9OKTD . They were sharp out of the box, although I've never liked blade edges that were coated...not quite as sharp as I personally want. Using my belt sander, I removed the coating from the cutting edges and refined the edge enough to shave with them. So far, after three runs, these blades are holding up as expected. Even after hitting a few fallen 1/2 inch or so branches, the edges are still sharp as heck. No edge dings, no warping, etc. As far as installing them, the cutouts were of the proper size and shape to fit my aging Craftsman mower. Very satisfied.
Sir,I think if you want any endless diamond wire loop and endless diamond wire loop saw, you could contact with me any time~the machine is really cool!
You know. Just got to say. If you have never tried anything like this then you have no idea all the details that go in to just learning the process let alone doing it right, better, and perfecting your skill to the best of your abilities with limited tools and technology. That's awesome great job made me smile.
Like when your last tooth comes out as a baby tooth and you check the math and you did everything correct? Then you do it again and end up with 47 perfect teeth and one baby tooth again? Only to find out their was a tiny metal chip in the dividing head throwing everything off by about a thou.... Next time Im gonna spend the $250 on a proper hob.
They do astonishingly well with the old clapped out machinery they have to use. I was especially impressed with the high precision measuring with a tape measure.
The machinery doesn’t look like is maintained or oiled for that matter. It’s no wonder looks and runs like junk. Just because the part looks nice I’m sure it it isn’t dimensionally accurate.
They use old machines because it is perfectly acceptable and and effective. Anyone with training or experience can 'measure' 0.5mm confidently by eye. How stupid would you be to measure a rough diameter with a precision instrument.
why are their tools so crappy over there, everything looks dirty, its like they refuse to repair anything untill it completely breaks. Here in the states, we typically maintain our property and equipment. We repaint our homes when the paint is no longer good, if a door is broken we replace it. There it looks like they just hang up an out of order indefinitely sign and leave it untill one day the entire building just gets condemn.
Everything is moving, wobbling, shaking and vibrating. Very impressive results with the tooling involved. Imagine what these people could do with a little more training and some modern equipment.
Well done. You have mastered your craft The ability to make and sharpen your cutting tool is impressive. My Dad and his father, my grandfather, were both Tool and Die Makers and, in my retirement, I am learning the trade online, not that I plan on working as a machinist, just that I hope to better understand their profession and honor their skill and their memory. To many of us do not understand how significant the skills of the workers were 50 to 200 years ago were and how very talented and skilled they were. I have great respect for the skilled trades and the people all over the world who work as a skilled tradesman. These men are very skilled and I have great respect for the skill they possess. In America today some of this work is done by programing a computer.
You either adapt or perish. Hand making these gears sure takes skill that not everyone has. Also making it via computer requires you to have skills to program the machine. Nevertheless skill is required not like any tom dick and harry can operate a machine.
My father also was a tool and die maker. His face bore small burn scars from red hot flying steel chips that came from a spinning lathe. He could actually design and manufacture helicoidal gears with a precision lathe and a milling machine. Although I watched him work by his side many a time, I am sorry to state that I never asked him to teach me his skills, which included calculating tangents, curves, and angles with his knowledge and pencil and paper, not even a calculator. Those did not exist when he learned his trade. Kudos to such knowledge.
You'd be surprised. I worked in a gear shop in everett Washington that used gear hobbing machines made in the 1930s-40s. And all of the parts we made were precision gears for current production Boeing planes. The old machines last forever, however, manual machining is a dying skill in The states.
@@kgregory666 I remember one time my father took me to visit his place of work in Mexico City. There was an enormous gear being positioned with an overhead crane. My father explained this was a gear for a German manufactured sugar mill in the U.S., which had been deactivated because of the 2nd World War. I should point out I was born in the mid 1940s.
Watching that gear cutting setup moving back and forth a centimeter or so during the cut was interesting, you could see the wavy line of the cut going down the blanks...Also, someone needs to show them how to sharpen drills instead of just cranking harder on the tailstock handle to make it push through the metal.
There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. They make due very well. And I'm sure the price on that gear is very attractive. Probably 80 us dollars. I'm not spending 2-3 hundred for that gear if I don't have to.
My machining teacher would have a heart attack watching this video. I have drilled a lot of holes on a lathe machine with 62mm diameter drill but never had to use a crowbar to spin the wheel on the tailstock. Working on a machine like that with long sleeves is a suicide, its only a matter of time until tragedy happens.
"Right for homework: Watch this video and critique every bad practice you can see. I came up with 50 when I viewed it." I think there are over 50 continuity errors in the movie Plan 9 from Outer Space.
@@gorillaau You have to understand something here, what works over here doesn't necessarily work for them. I used to be under the illusion of following text book practices as a rule. Eventually I realized text book practices is a primer it was never meant for the real world. In the real world you have to improvise and you have to get things done on time. Some of the most skilled people are self taught and there is no technique in life that works for everyone. Everyone is different.
@@Micscience " what works over here doesn't necessarily work for them" It works exactly the the same, when the lathe chuck grabs your sleeve it will rip your hand off. Same here, same there. The difference is that you won't be allowed to work in this way in other countries.
I laughed at this. All the time its like when do you think this run of parts will be done. I run a Gleason Phoenix GH125 hobber and a Barber Colman 16-56. Then when i have to Run a Gleason TAG 400 gear grinder its always a HOT job.
A thumbs-up is truly Universal. These fellows do excellent work. It's amazing the quality that they can achieve with machines that have seen better days. Best regards Bobs from Virginia USA
There is a difference in what is obsolete and what is not. If a piece of equipment still functions after 70+ years of use then it is NOT obsolete. I smile because I worked on equipment similar to this in the 70's as a teen. Shop boy for starters and ended up working the line
yup this machinery is made strong and built to last and be worked on if needed. i'd love to get my hands on an old gisholt lathe they were made in my hometown
*I'm not sure what amazes me the most. The fact this popped in my recommendations for no appearent reason or the fact I watched it till the end. Fascinating.*
What never ceases to amaze me in these videos is how every time someone has completed their task the end result is carried off and dumped on the ground. No matter what some poor guy has to pick it up off the ground. Someone should invent a way to store things off the ground like maybe a table or a bench.
man whole modern world did it this way maybe in early 1900´ so you are absolutely out of the reasonable think . Europe can travel to space build nuclear plants, and many else, and in this country they can made a gear from scrap. That is some serious achieve. And if you think some old grandad without proper equipment is some high valuable.... The precision of this is sadly hillarious . :D Plenty of people around the world can do the exactly same think, but why they should ?. when there is much more efficient way.
@@davidswanson5669 I'm gonna guess these guys don't know much exists beyond the confines of the streets where they live, work and shop. It's possible they'd adopt better techniques if they knew about them but these guys don't strike me as being especially worldly. I mean, I doubt it's due to any character fault but simply a reality of their existence and the opportunities presented to them within that world.
@@OTOss8 What you are saying is true. The internet which RUclips is a part of is not the obvious source for information if you are not in the habit of looking. These guys are likely very replaceable. The shop owner sees any expense associated with their protection as a waste. This is probably a job to feed their kids than a vocation or identity. Amazon for a ROUGH pair of calipers would be helpful. It would be interesting to know where these parts are destined and their performance.
@@markharmon4963 I couldn't agree more with your assessment. Your question is one I've been asking myself with many of these videos. As you've said, where are these parts destined for and how will they perform given the less than strict conditions surrounding their manufacture? What type of steel is that? Has it been heat treated to the correct hardness for the application? How precise are the teeth they cut and how much of a difference does that make? I looked at those gears and I could imagine them in some sort of enormous rolling mill or something like that where absolute precision might not be required but either way it's a very interesting thing to ponder. Cheers friend.
Didn't anyone notice?. 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits..This guys and this video should not be praised,Instate it should be highly disrespected and banned.
That's Pakistan for you. Making do with very little, facing immense challenges from day one and difficulty upon difficulty yet coming up with ingenious, improvised solutions. This is the true difference between the haves and the have nots. There is a reason we managed to become one of seven global nuclear powers, associate members of CERN, launched the first Asian space program and maintain an Antarctic exploration scientific presence
Техники безопасности совсем нет, пока я смотрел это видео очень сильно переживал за этих людей, видно это происходит или в Индии или в Пакистане, где нищета и человеческая жизнь стоит меньше чем жизнь домашнего питомца в Европе, но этим людям конечно большой респект, в таких ужасных условиях и с технологией тридцатых годов прошлого столетия они делают, создают такие детали, какая точность у этих шестерней трудно сказать, но видно есть спрос раз делают. Слов нет.
Just amazing to witness what can be made to work, using what you've been taught never to do. I'm at a loss to pick just a few favorites from this video. Near the top is whipping out a pipe wrench @10:38 to snug the mandrel. And then wielding that blacksmith's hammer @11:05 to whack the blanks true while ON the lathe. There's certainly a few good poster images in there demonstrating lathe crowbar tooling. And did I really see a guy freehand grind (just a COUPLE -- not all teeth on) a gear cutter with a bench grinder?
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I cringed a couple of times, but man, freehand grind on a gear cutter and comparing the grind on an already cut gear is quite something ... I'm amazed by what they can achieve, but by no mean it is precision work ... Since it looks like a business, I thought I would have seen at least one set of cheap measuring tools like a dial indicator to whack true the gear blanks.
There were only a couple of teeth that needed sharpening. On that old milling machine with the mandrels flopping around in the no-longer-bearings, the rest of the teeth never touch the part! I know this because I was cutting gears today, and with .003 runout on the cutter teeth as mounted on the arbor (I measured it with an indicator), I was only using about a third of the teeth, maybe less! We send our gear cutters out for professional resharpening, and I can measure 2.5 to 6 thou variation in tooth height from the cutter hole, depending on which cutter. I always thought it was just the arbor that is crooked, but it turns out the cutters themselves are crooked. In order to uniformly engage all the teeth at slow speed (2 ipm and maybe 1200 tpm), I would need less than a thou tooth runout and preferably less than a tenth mounted on the arbor, but these things are nowhere near that precise and most of the teeth do not touch the material at all.
@@BenAtTheTube My comment was really due to the side (profile) of the tooth rather than its cutting face being ground in the video. Even if excess runout was the reason for grinding a subset of the cutter teeth, it still seems a bit odd. But agreed it is difficult to puzzle out the full context of what's going on here from the short clip of this in the video.
Some real Titan cNc shit right there. Job well done and I sincerely respect the hard working men working in dangerous environment to support themselve and families.
Did you not notice?. 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits.This guys and this video should not be praised,Instate it should be highly disrespected and banned. Child labour and abuse should never be encouraged. Period.
That mill arbor certainly has its fair share of runout in it! I’m sure arbor support bearing is hummed out too. It is amazing what they can make on machinery that is just plain shot.
If you are a good machinist, know the machine and how to control it. You'll be adjusting for the slack automatically. Getting to know an abused machine, that's the real pain. I know from experience 😂😭
I commend these guys for using what they have to work with! I had to laugh though, tape measure and bit chatter.. Eeeewww that bit chatter sound gets me... Will the parts work though? Likely yes, for awhile anyway. If the gears don't have a lot of load and reversals of spin maybe a long time. I give 'em a thumbs up for doing what they gotta' do to make something run with just what they have to work with!👍👍👍
yeah was wondering the same thing, considering how oxidized the starting metal was I'd say those gears will be rusted very soon. At least its pretty dry in India generally...although if these are destined for a ship...
Nice precision cutter wobble on the mill, and especially with the worn out indexer wobbling back and forth. Amazing the guy can produce anything with the equipment he is forced to work with.
But it works, and they keep all sort of equipment going, they manage to run things that we would discard, I remember well making a receiving socket made in three parts, bolted together, it had to machine both ends, when reassembling the part, two guys spent a couple of hours with bore gauges and micrometers, finally happy they said it was within 50 thousands, when the guy turned up to collect it they told him, he replied "As long as it's within 1/8 of an inch it was fine" the parts were worn out, and they needed a sloppy fit.
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface yeah for sure, but if that gear in its final assembly is going anywhere near 500 rpm’s that’s a no from me chief, especially since it’s gonna be meshing with another gear 😬
A skilled tradesman will always overcome the shortcomings of his tools. Note the lathe also appears to have a person power feed on the tail stock. Great stuff.
@@Tsamokie BINGO. You can only polish a turd so much. The good news hear is none of their inspection equipment is capable of detecting the non-conformances 🙂
well if they would use a smaller drill to make a pilot hole they would not need to use so much force to drill the big diameter… and therefore the big drill would less overheat and sustain longer
We're not allowed to sharpen them ourselves. They have to be sharpened using the customers (Ford for example) precision jigs, and certified by the tool room before we can use them again.
@@Spinner1987CH Yes machine capability to get the maximum life from the tools before they can no longer be resharpened. If you only got a small number of parts from one tool, then it would push up the cost of those parts.
as long as it wobbles the same way each time, it's at least wobbling with consistence and great wobbly precision. Machinery cringe all over the place, yet the gears look still half decent in the end. amazing!
That's exactly my thoughts too. In third world countries precision doesn't matter. It only needs to work! He probably only charged a couple if bucks for his efforts
@@meocats you know what? It’ll last a lot longer than no gear. My guess is this piece of scrap they’re reusing is harder than a mild steel. It doesn’t take a genius to recognize hard steel.
Wow just wow so totally amazing what these guys can do on equipment that's 10000 years old out of Noah's Ark with the bearings of quarter inch play left and right and still come up with a precise fitting cog mechanism absolutely fantastic love you guys
people forget that even more precise machinery was made in the past with more rudimentary tools. look up the antikythera mechanism. and thats just one thing with precision gears made by hand 2000+ years ago. humans have always been amazing. This guy is using space aged equipement compared to ancient peoples.
Medieval people could come up with a better cog (literally), it's no big deal. It's amazing how people nowadays are amazed with lousy operators using junk machinery to produce trash.
@@joshuacapones2881 I doubt they were using the right steel. The tolerances were way out for anything the gear might be used for. The machining was terrible. The finishing was close to non-existant. There was zero heat treatment, let alone hardening. The shit they made will last less than a week before failing. It was complete crap in ever respect.
I respect their endeavour and good outcomes with old machine tools and cutting tools. A few observations: always wear protective glasses; use a centre drill and pilot drill prior to the larger drill; 3 jaw chucks should only be used on bright or machined bar stock. Preferably use a 4 jaw chuck for raw bar. It offers superior gripping and is just as fast when practiced; never leave the chuck key in the chuck.
I was wondering how far I’d have to scroll through the comments to find a mention of the 3 Jaw on that bar. Also couldn’t agree more on the glasses. I’ve been hit by hot chips many times
In some ways these guys keep themselves in work. The steel from an old ship is not what you need for gear wheels. Ship steel would need to be flexible while the bearing surfaces on the gear teeth need to be hardened. I admire what they accomplish with the poor resources at hand and as I say they keep themselves in business because the life of these gear wheels would be many magnitudes less than with a wheel made from the right steel, accurately machined and correctly heat treated. If these men could make gears of that standard they would get no return custom.
As a Quality Manager at a CNC shop in the US I cringed throughout the video. As a person who is watching people very far away from me, with unbelievably used equipment, no money, limited education system... I am amazed at what they accomplished. Hats off for using what you have and figuring out how to make things that are hard to make. If I knew their address I'd send them some dial calipers just so they don't have to keep reading those old verniers.. I hate vernier.
I think it would be more prudent to send them some safety gear. These guys do everything in frikkin slippers! The number of work related accidents with fatal injuries because of insufficient protection in India/Pakistan is the highest in the world. And as you can imagine, any accident in an environment like that is bound to be horrific.
These things are not for high performance or high load machinery mate, the cost reduction of having them done like this is why they sell. They're for things like grain mills and such. They might have hashtags for gearbox and truck in there, but that's just for the viewing algorithm. All these need is a bit of oil sprinkled over them and they handle a few hundred nm or torque just fine.
@brianhoff04 the fact is you may have cringed but you could not do what they do namely make a part as cheap as possible with just enough accuracy. they do it that way for a reason mainly the cost of that part would not pay for the weeks coffee at your shop. everything has a place and a reason.
I always thought that vernier calipers being used was sign of horrible tolerance machining, but these guys whip out a tape measure! even with these tolerances though, the gears probably have chance to mesh themselves together in use eventually. I would be interested in knowing if they get hardened along the way still. OSHA inspector would probably die from stroke watching the first minute :p Commentary track from This old Tony would be great!
Oh man oh man oh man, I thought for sure I was about to watch this dude lose his arm, watching the cuff of his long sleeve dance along the surface of the chuck =/ I felt sick to my fuckin' stomach man hahaha I agree with your comment, would love to hear what T.O.T. would have to say... do you know/watch AVE? He's a fellow foul mouthed Canadian like yours truly... but he tells stories of consulting over in South East Asia and shit, where guys would take a pair of crap-tastic dollar store sunglasses and affix a sheet of cardboard around them to make a welding hood haha =\ Ugh, oh man, it would be so much funnier if it wasn't true.
Oh man oh man oh man, I thought for sure I was about to watch this dude lose his arm, watching the cuff of his long sleeve dance along the surface of the chuck =/ I felt sick to my effin' stomach man hahaha I agree with your comment, would love to hear what T.O.T. would have to say... do you know/watch AVE? He's a fellow foul mouthed Canadian like yours truly... but he tells stories of consulting over in South East Asia, where guys would take a pair of crap-tastic dollar store sunglasses and affix a sheet of cardboard around them to make a welding hood haha =\ Ugh, oh man, it would be so much funnier if it wasn't true.
I wish our kids here in America were as respectful and attentive as this young man. All the advanced tooling in the world is no match for even one young man or young women willing to learn diciplene and graduate into society under masters like this. //ji
I've no respect to whomever practises child labour.Look at 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits.This guys and this video should not be praised, Instate it should be highly disrespected and banned.
Don't ever use cutting oil when you're drilling with the tailstock just put a bar and wrench the darn drill into the metal. It's truly amazing what these guys get away with and still get a part that works...Sure it's not pretty but it's darn sure way cheaper than from Boston Gear!
Oil is costly. Look at the equipment. I don't thinkbthey have the funds to spare on convienece. Iv used pipes on tail stock my self some of the big drill really require alot of pressure.
They didn't want to waste any of the precious used motor oil in the drilling process on the lathe, they actually need it for the milling machine which is wobbly 1cm back and forth in the indexer.
I worked in India in the 80s building a power station. With the most rudimentary equipment and zero safety a power station was built and handed over. I doubt it’s changed much. Oh, and I loved every low-tech minute of it.
Indian here. Many things have changed now especially in Government Projects. Things like Hard hats, safety shoes, Hi-Vis jackets are needed. But on non-government projects, anything goes. If you have sometime to watch then search for "Tractor stunts India". So many people with no idea how close they came to dying/.
@@jamesbizs We at one time had the largest milling machine maker in the world bar none. Now all we can do is just talk about the machines. The other parts of the world use them to make literally whatever they need, period. What an irony that is J P. All we can do is LOL.
Most gears in the US are made on dedicated gear cutting machines. Also use a grinder for hardened gears. Probably would have made sense to case hardened the gears so they wear slower.
@@jamesbizs America still has a huge production of machine tools, granted, with a lot of imported components. Search here for some very uplifting factory tours. Start with HASS [Surprisingly in California]. Grob, though German based makes top end machines here also.
Props to these men turning out these parts. Greater props to the manufacturers of the lathes. Those things look at least 80 years old. I am confident they were not made in China.
During my apprenticeship i went thru a manual mills/lathes course and i remember one time a old friend of mine forgot to tuck in his shirt and that damn chuck nearly took him in. Shirt was all ripped and had a few scratches from catching himself, but he lived to see another day and never forgot to tuck in his shirt.
These guys are all accidents waiting to happen. Open toe shoes, no safety glasses, long sleeves, ect. They just don t tell you when one gets killed cause he was drug into a machine.
I'm both impressed they manage to manufacture anything given the equipment (guess my western living standard has spoiled me) and amused (irony) that the finish product passes the "meshing on the dirt floor" QC
Impressed? I wouldn't say so..Did you not notice?. 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits.This guys and this video should be highly disrespected and this video should be banned.
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 Oh I agree about the child labor aspect, a recurring theme in almost all "Pakistani workshop" style videos than I often bring up, for once I decided to limit my comment to "just" the machining/workshop aspect
@@sergegostoli9524 I'm so sorry to bring in negativity into your comment section.. Somehow I'm totally against any form of child labour exploitation and abuse.They are young,and they're totally unaware that they are being abuse and exploit by this greedy so call businessman. I believe partly it is our duty,we should help them in anyway possible. It is sad to see millions of people watched..But just a small friction noticed..Most viewers are so engrossed by what's going in those video but fail go notice the welfare of those unfortunate children.By the way I've reported this page to RUclips. I doubt any actions will be taken against this page..They have millions of viewers,with just a handful who would've reported. Cheers.
I love this. Its fun to see how it's done in other cultures. but next time you edit something with high frequencies in, Apply a low pass filter and set its frequency range so thay the squeals don't deafen people. Apart from that keep up the great work
The level of un-precision in this gear manufacturing is astonishing. But even if the cut is not optimum, it will self mesh over time and run just fine.
I could watch these guys work like this all day. I do wish they would wear some safety equipment but that's just me being over protective. Thanks for the video.
Pretty impressive to watch. I could be wrong, but I do feel that the centering the gear stock on the spindle could be easier if they just machined up some cone washers for each side.
Can we have a machinist's without borders program. I can appreciate what these guys are doing with so little but I really feel the need to offer some useful information.
@@davemould4638 If that was true they wouldn't trash their lathes and instead of buying more lathes and running them into the ground for want of some used motor oil, save money to buy stuff.
@@topduk The lathes are usually very old used equipment that have already been run into the ground. It is easy to criticise when you have very little idea of the living and working conditions or cultural ethos that pertain. First walk a mile in their shoes ...
@@Mecks I'm positive about positive things and negative about negative things. This was neither really, so I suggest you get yourself a sense of humour.
Nice work, maybe not high precision, but probably good for getting an other machine going again. At least the ship stock metals are directly used here. The lathe machines may be old but they work, the people operating them can fix them and resharpen the bits when required. In the Western society the waste is terrible, most equipment is obsolete within a short time, and the improvising skills have gone and we are so more reliant on computers. Great video.
А вы видели каким тупым сверлом делали, аж передёрнуло. Пуклевка на месте входа сверла образовалась. Специалисты там, у нас скоро такие же везде будут.
Never manual milled much, eh? Even brand new Colchesters have slack in them and it's a PITA and you have to develop a way to work around it. So once you do that it just doesn't matter how much slack you have - 0.0005" or 0.5" its all the same.
What do you know? May be the play in the tool is not just ignored and the difference has already been accounted. You dont know if the play is in an already calculated range of measurements of the end product. Take it easy David. They wouldnt waste time and energy to create a product that wudnt fit the application its meant for.
I started on manual machines, not nice ones, just like the video. Even though I now run very precise machines now...there was/is still what I term "eyeballin" , you learn this "feel" on a sloppy manual machine and I still employ it on very precise machines. I thought I was good at eyeballin but these guys, yeah they are GOOD!
Interesting to see the safety equipment of these people. Also funny how we in Germany produce a gear fully automatically in 5 minutes with laser measuring technology. Nice to see traditional handwork from 50 years ago. We do not know any more.
The difference is the German made gear will last hundreds of thousands of KMs with no wear. The gears made in this video might last KMs of wear. Maybe.
@@benupde1979final costs would be the same. The funny thing is automobiles with most problems are from Germany and uk. While home grown ones run just fine. And I won't start with VW diesel gate. So much for quality.
I'm sorry..I this is a total disgraceful video. Did you not notice?. 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits.This guys and this video should not be praised,Instate it should be highly disrespected and banned. Child labour and abuse should never be encouraged. Period.
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Been watching these videos for months. I am now convinced there is not a dial indicator in this entire country. Not taking away from what they do, it just amazes me.
Dial indicators are too fragile. If you can afford one, you have to treat it well?
When you don’t have what you need, you learn to do it without it. Home spun.
I want to learn how to do things like that. Not doing things by rote, but how to make hand tools for every purpose.
Let us return to the era of the slide rule and the tool-and-die: CAD and injection molding makes you soft.
There doesn't appear to be a lot of PPE either, not even cheap safety glasses. Their work is incredible but I don't imagine they'd get a lot in compensation if they lost an eye or two
Hell I'm still looking for a table in most of these videos. Your asking for a lot
Marvellous video, my late father would have loved it. He was a model engineer in his spare time, but refused to buy in steel stock or castings for his traction engines. Every thing had to be made from scrap materials and his workshop was similar to this but on a smaller scale.
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Amazing work being turned out on old beat up machines. I began my working life in tool and die making back in the late 1970's but left the field once manufacturing began drying up here in the states. I remember cutting gears using a dividing head as is shown in the video. You did not want to be distracted cutting gears.
As a 35yr Journeyman Machine Repairman , The noises that Lathe was making had me wincing and looking for my safety glasses ! And Junior on the tail stock with a pipe ! good thing he knows how to make a gear ! And that old No2 Knee Mill !!!!! Bravo to all his tooling and fixtures !!!!
it never ceases to amaze me what people can do with machines that are this old, i mean as long as the ways are straight and the gibs are tight thats all you need.
I once had a job doing centerless grinding on ceramic parts, and the machine i used to hold tenths on was like 50 or 60 years old and completely worn out. In fact every machine in that shop was worn out haha but we still made good parts.
Installed these on a riding mower ruclips.net/user/postUgkxetgfkJxfdT_B2vGYP-uNTLaBbim9OKTD . They were sharp out of the box, although I've never liked blade edges that were coated...not quite as sharp as I personally want. Using my belt sander, I removed the coating from the cutting edges and refined the edge enough to shave with them. So far, after three runs, these blades are holding up as expected. Even after hitting a few fallen 1/2 inch or so branches, the edges are still sharp as heck. No edge dings, no warping, etc. As far as installing them, the cutouts were of the proper size and shape to fit my aging Craftsman mower. Very satisfied.
Sir,I think if you want any endless diamond wire loop and endless diamond wire loop saw, you could contact with me any time~the machine is really cool!
You know. Just got to say. If you have never tried anything like this then you have no idea all the details that go in to just learning the process let alone doing it right, better, and perfecting your skill to the best of your abilities with limited tools and technology. That's awesome great job made me smile.
A giant lathe and horizontal mill with dividing head isn't what anyone should call limited tools.
@@gussygoro2469 and I better he built it from parts or could. I'm happy for him.
Like when your last tooth comes out as a baby tooth and you check the math and you did everything correct? Then you do it again and end up with 47 perfect teeth and one baby tooth again? Only to find out their was a tiny metal chip in the dividing head throwing everything off by about a thou.... Next time Im gonna spend the $250 on a proper hob.
@@rustyshakleford5230 you good bro?
@@xjjtvx2533 haha right.... sounds like dementia
They do astonishingly well with the old clapped out machinery they have to use. I was especially impressed with the high precision measuring with a tape measure.
I saw that and imediately instinctively grabbed my head
The guy moonlights as a tailor's assistant.
The machinery doesn’t look like is maintained or oiled for that matter. It’s no wonder looks and runs like junk. Just because the part looks nice I’m sure it it isn’t dimensionally accurate.
They use old machines because it is perfectly acceptable and and effective.
Anyone with training or experience can 'measure' 0.5mm confidently by eye. How stupid would you be to measure a rough diameter with a precision instrument.
@@Esuper1 haha
I've been a machinist for the last 32 years. This is getting it done. Respect
Well said mate, over here in the Philippines I can go to a roadside machine shop and he'll make me anything.
I bet you wear safety classes And don't put your hand around the machine
@@urielcrooks6431 you are correct.
why are their tools so crappy over there, everything looks dirty, its like they refuse to repair anything untill it completely breaks. Here in the states, we typically maintain our property and equipment. We repaint our homes when the paint is no longer good, if a door is broken we replace it. There it looks like they just hang up an out of order indefinitely sign and leave it untill one day the entire building just gets condemn.
@@mrschnider6521 This is what europeans says about US. It's like the country stayed in the 1950's...
Everything is moving, wobbling, shaking and vibrating. Very impressive results with the tooling involved. Imagine what these people could do with a little more training and some modern equipment.
they would be like we Americans..on welfare and their smart phone
All the health & safety rules would hinder their work and they’d either quit out of frustration or get sacked for continuous flouting of the rules
@@windage ngl, you had me in the first half. Lol
Charge more money for parts that are actually within tolerance.
@@magicalphones Charge more money? If parts are not within tolerance, you get no money. Clearly you lack basic knowledge on this topic.
Well done. You have mastered your craft The ability to make and sharpen your cutting tool is impressive. My Dad and his father, my grandfather, were both Tool and Die Makers and, in my retirement, I am learning the trade online, not that I plan on working as a machinist, just that I hope to better understand their profession and honor their skill and their memory. To many of us do not understand how significant the skills of the workers were 50 to 200 years ago were and how very talented and skilled they were.
I have great respect for the skilled trades and the people all over the world who work as a skilled tradesman.
These men are very skilled and I have great respect for the skill they possess.
In America today some of this work is done by programing a computer.
You either adapt or perish. Hand making these gears sure takes skill that not everyone has. Also making it via computer requires you to have skills to program the machine. Nevertheless skill is required not like any tom dick and harry can operate a machine.
If you give more importance to machines then machinery will develop.... If you give more importance to people then their skill will develop!
My father also was a tool and die maker. His face bore small burn scars from red hot flying steel chips that came from a spinning lathe. He could actually design and manufacture helicoidal gears with a precision lathe and a milling machine. Although I watched him work by his side many a time, I am sorry to state that I never asked him to teach me his skills, which included calculating tangents, curves, and angles with his knowledge and pencil and paper, not even a calculator. Those did not exist when he learned his trade. Kudos to such knowledge.
You'd be surprised. I worked in a gear shop in everett Washington that used gear hobbing machines made in the 1930s-40s. And all of the parts we made were precision gears for current production Boeing planes. The old machines last forever, however, manual machining is a dying skill in The states.
@@kgregory666 I remember one time my father took me to visit his place of work in Mexico City. There was an enormous gear being positioned with an overhead crane. My father explained this was a gear for a German manufactured sugar mill in the U.S., which had been deactivated because of the 2nd World War. I should point out I was born in the mid 1940s.
What a mass! What a big sacrifice! What a pain! What a tenacious man! I take off my hat to you brave man!👏👏👏👏👏
Watching that gear cutting setup moving back and forth a centimeter or so during the cut was interesting, you could see the wavy line of the cut going down the blanks...Also, someone needs to show them how to sharpen drills instead of just cranking harder on the tailstock handle to make it push through the metal.
ye thats what i was thinking if you need more more than what crank handle can give you your doing something wrong
Easy guys that was some tough steel they were working with there.
Cranking that handle isn't a problem when someone else does it.
There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. They make due very well. And I'm sure the price on that gear is very attractive. Probably 80 us dollars. I'm not spending 2-3 hundred for that gear if I don't have to.
Probably want to learn about lube too. 😆
My machining teacher would have a heart attack watching this video.
I have drilled a lot of holes on a lathe machine with 62mm diameter drill but never had to use a crowbar to spin the wheel on the tailstock.
Working on a machine like that with long sleeves is a suicide, its only a matter of time until tragedy happens.
ur machine teacher is a trainee in front of him
"Right for homework: Watch this video and critique every bad practice you can see. I came up with 50 when I viewed it."
I think there are over 50 continuity errors in the movie Plan 9 from Outer Space.
@@gorillaau You have to understand something here, what works over here doesn't necessarily work for them. I used to be under the illusion of following text book practices as a rule. Eventually I realized text book practices is a primer it was never meant for the real world. In the real world you have to improvise and you have to get things done on time. Some of the most skilled people are self taught and there is no technique in life that works for everyone. Everyone is different.
What's a "tolerance"?
@@Micscience " what works over here doesn't necessarily work for them"
It works exactly the the same, when the lathe chuck grabs your sleeve it will rip your hand off. Same here, same there. The difference is that you won't be allowed to work in this way in other countries.
As a red seal of machinist of 28 years, I find myself both appalled and amazed at same time watching this.
Базирование на оправке впечатлило🤦♀️
А особенно - индикаторный кувалдоскоп👏👏👏
Мне понравилось, как он рулеткой диаметр промерял
А люфт на кривом валу фрезера? Там везде супер высокая точность. Ну и сверление тупым сверлом с использованием монтировки в задней бабке ....
Заточка фрезы - огонь
а мне понравилась рулетка.
Мда, рулетка -ваще огонь. Но ничего страшного, скоро так же будем делать на таких же разъёбанных станках.
Sent this to the Hobs department at work asking why it is taking them so long to cut gears. Looks pretty easy and wide open to me.
I laughed at this. All the time its like when do you think this run of parts will be done. I run a Gleason Phoenix GH125 hobber and a Barber Colman 16-56. Then when i have to Run a Gleason TAG 400 gear grinder its always a HOT job.
Probably shouldn't open the package they send you back...
Hobbing is going to laugh you out of the building. QC would shit the bed inspecting this trash.
A thumbs-up is truly Universal. These fellows do excellent work. It's amazing the quality that they can achieve with machines that have seen better days. Best regards Bobs from Virginia USA
There is a difference in what is obsolete and what is not. If a piece of equipment still functions after 70+ years of use then it is NOT obsolete. I smile because I worked on equipment similar to this in the 70's as a teen. Shop boy for starters and ended up working the line
yup this machinery is made strong and built to last and be worked on if needed. i'd love to get my hands on an old gisholt lathe they were made in my hometown
*I'm not sure what amazes me the most. The fact this popped in my recommendations for no appearent reason or the fact I watched it till the end. Fascinating.*
What never ceases to amaze me in these videos is how every time someone has completed their task the end result is carried off and dumped on the ground. No matter what some poor guy has to pick it up off the ground. Someone should invent a way to store things off the ground like maybe a table or a bench.
They always throw it on the ground. I thought I was the only one that noticed.
You know your equipment has seen better days when everything requires a torque multiplier
I thought the same. If you need a lever to push the drill through the steel, something is wrong.....
It's just that they are not keeping their tools sharp, and they're not using cutting lubricants.
@@jameswagoner3309 Well, that and nothing is lubricated. I can't imagine how crunchy that machine must be.
It's getting the job done, and if it breaks it's simple enough to repair in shop
I was hurting when every bit of tightening required some sort of lever! They are doing it for good reason though, those machines are worn out.
The secret to precision is to always toss the parts in the dirt several times throughout the process...
And never use lubrication
haaahahaha =)
And eyeballing the part to get it centered in the chuck is fine - why bother with a dial guage?
ya'll are laughing at them. Yet, customers keep showing up at their shop.
@@CM-xr9oq because the shit they make doesn't last long
Can you imagine the things these guys could achieve with a fully furnished modern workshop?.. Awesome, True engineer craftsmen. .!
You assume that they would have even the slightest clue how to use proper tools and setup fixtures. I am pretty sure that assumption is WAAAY off.
man whole modern world did it this way maybe in early 1900´ so you are absolutely out of the reasonable think . Europe can travel to space build nuclear plants, and many else, and in this country they can made a gear from scrap. That is some serious achieve. And if you think some old grandad without proper equipment is some high valuable.... The precision of this is sadly hillarious . :D Plenty of people around the world can do the exactly same think, but why they should ?. when there is much more efficient way.
@@Honzishek i have no idea what you are saying.
@@user-xb1ht4py2v obvioisly
@@Honzishek brooo 💀💀💀💀
I love watching these men and what they achieve, not having the benefit of modern lathes. Good luck to them and thanks for an excellent video.
Modern lathes may be out of their budget, but modern methodology and practices are free. Why skimp on that?
@@davidswanson5669 I'm gonna guess these guys don't know much exists beyond the confines of the streets where they live, work and shop. It's possible they'd adopt better techniques if they knew about them but these guys don't strike me as being especially worldly. I mean, I doubt it's due to any character fault but simply a reality of their existence and the opportunities presented to them within that world.
@@OTOss8 What you are saying is true. The internet which RUclips is a part of is not the obvious source for information if you are not in the habit of looking. These guys are likely very replaceable. The shop owner sees any expense associated with their protection as a waste. This is probably a job to feed their kids than a vocation or identity. Amazon for a ROUGH pair of calipers would be helpful. It would be interesting to know where these parts are destined and their performance.
@@markharmon4963 I couldn't agree more with your assessment. Your question is one I've been asking myself with many of these videos. As you've said, where are these parts destined for and how will they perform given the less than strict conditions surrounding their manufacture? What type of steel is that? Has it been heat treated to the correct hardness for the application? How precise are the teeth they cut and how much of a difference does that make? I looked at those gears and I could imagine them in some sort of enormous rolling mill or something like that where absolute precision might not be required but either way it's a very interesting thing to ponder. Cheers friend.
Didn't anyone notice?. 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits..This guys and this video should not be praised,Instate it should be highly disrespected and banned.
As a first learning year machinist these guys deserve all my respect
they lose point with safety, long sleves😑
I’m sure it’s WorkCover Approved,, Lol 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
dog who the fu wants your respect
@@sedled2829 no one do this happily. everyone wants safety but economy isn't strong even to import wheat, forget about safety equipments
@@Loading........Dr. safety glasses are cheap no matter where you are.
That's Pakistan for you. Making do with very little, facing immense challenges from day one and difficulty upon difficulty yet coming up with ingenious, improvised solutions. This is the true difference between the haves and the have nots. There is a reason we managed to become one of seven global nuclear powers, associate members of CERN, launched the first Asian space program and maintain an Antarctic exploration scientific presence
Техники безопасности совсем нет, пока я смотрел это видео очень сильно переживал за этих людей, видно это происходит или в Индии или в Пакистане, где нищета и человеческая жизнь стоит меньше чем жизнь домашнего питомца в Европе, но этим людям конечно большой респект, в таких ужасных условиях и с технологией тридцатых годов прошлого столетия они делают, создают такие детали, какая точность у этих шестерней трудно сказать, но видно есть спрос раз делают. Слов нет.
Just amazing to witness what can be made to work, using what you've been taught never to do. I'm at a loss to pick just a few favorites from this video. Near the top is whipping out a pipe wrench @10:38 to snug the mandrel. And then wielding that blacksmith's hammer @11:05 to whack the blanks true while ON the lathe. There's certainly a few good poster images in there demonstrating lathe crowbar tooling. And did I really see a guy freehand grind (just a COUPLE -- not all teeth on) a gear cutter with a bench grinder?
I cringed a couple of times, but man, freehand grind on a gear cutter and comparing the grind on an already cut gear is quite something ... I'm amazed by what they can achieve, but by no mean it is precision work ... Since it looks like a business, I thought I would have seen at least one set of cheap measuring tools like a dial indicator to whack true the gear blanks.
The no eye protection had me, and Frank Roberts beat me to it!
There were only a couple of teeth that needed sharpening. On that old milling machine with the mandrels flopping around in the no-longer-bearings, the rest of the teeth never touch the part! I know this because I was cutting gears today, and with .003 runout on the cutter teeth as mounted on the arbor (I measured it with an indicator), I was only using about a third of the teeth, maybe less! We send our gear cutters out for professional resharpening, and I can measure 2.5 to 6 thou variation in tooth height from the cutter hole, depending on which cutter. I always thought it was just the arbor that is crooked, but it turns out the cutters themselves are crooked. In order to uniformly engage all the teeth at slow speed (2 ipm and maybe 1200 tpm), I would need less than a thou tooth runout and preferably less than a tenth mounted on the arbor, but these things are nowhere near that precise and most of the teeth do not touch the material at all.
@ The gear will wear themselves in perfect profile once the 100 HP drive beats them into meshing despite the gears objection.
@@BenAtTheTube My comment was really due to the side (profile) of the tooth rather than its cutting face being ground in the video. Even if excess runout was the reason for grinding a subset of the cutter teeth, it still seems a bit odd. But agreed it is difficult to puzzle out the full context of what's going on here from the short clip of this in the video.
Loved how he changed the lathe speed. Dope! True craftmanship. Salute. 👍
Some real Titan cNc shit right there.
Job well done and I sincerely respect the hard working men working in dangerous environment to support themselve and families.
When I watched this video I was thinking of Titans of CNC too 😂
Imagine what these guys could do with a modern machine shop full of the latest tools.
OSHA? No OSHA here boyz. 🤣
Nothing. He can do one thing with his machine. He done it for years.
Ни чего
@@srck4035 exactly
Imagine if you gave them a broom and a garbage can
The gear cutter an index were both not spinning true and he still could produce that gear, very impressive these guys truly are prehistoric machinists
The regrinding of the tool is also priceless, precision eyeballing at its best !
Yeah, and all our tech with the high precision is a real waste of time. But it's OK, the world is about to get nuked back to the stone age!
If that's not bad enough, to sharpen the edge he was grinding on the profile surface, not the sacrificial side!
I can't see how anything except the toothbrush can possibly be made to work in this setup. Marvellous!
These guys would do well anywhere in the world , bloody impressive 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Glad to see they are engaging their “ safety squints” 👍
Did you not notice?. 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits.This guys and this video should not be praised,Instate it should be highly disrespected and banned. Child labour and abuse should never be encouraged. Period.
That mill arbor certainly has its fair share of runout in it! I’m sure arbor support bearing is hummed out too. It is amazing what they can make on machinery that is just plain shot.
Good new machines are astronomically expensive
If you are a good machinist, know the machine and how to control it. You'll be adjusting for the slack automatically.
Getting to know an abused machine, that's the real pain.
I know from experience 😂😭
@@pinocolada4254 amen brother man haha
garbage in garbage out
Runout is ok with an involute gear cutter. Cutting depth would be uniform regardless if the arbor shaft was not true.
I commend these guys for using what they have to work with! I had to laugh though, tape measure and bit chatter.. Eeeewww that bit chatter sound gets me... Will the parts work though? Likely yes, for awhile anyway. If the gears don't have a lot of load and reversals of spin maybe a long time. I give 'em a thumbs up for doing what they gotta' do to make something run with just what they have to work with!👍👍👍
I am making a bit chatter too! ruclips.net/video/1Wm_LGoJawI/видео.html
"What grade of steel is that?"
"Yes"
It’s called job security. They’ll be back.
yeah was wondering the same thing, considering how oxidized the starting metal was I'd say those gears will be rusted very soon. At least its pretty dry in India generally...although if these are destined for a ship...
@/k/onnoisseur oh did not know that. I suppose they can just keep them lubed up and should prolong the life
He took it out of the freezer. It is gallium maybe 90%.
It's "High strength sheet".
Nice precision cutter wobble on the mill, and especially with the worn out indexer wobbling back and forth. Amazing the guy can produce anything with the equipment he is forced to work with.
Not to mention no boring bar or reamer for the ID, or indicator for the runout when they mounted it on the shaft
But it works, and they keep all sort of equipment going, they manage to run things that we would discard, I remember well making a receiving socket made in three parts, bolted together, it had to machine both ends, when reassembling the part, two guys spent a couple of hours with bore gauges and micrometers, finally happy they said it was within 50 thousands, when the guy turned up to collect it they told him, he replied "As long as it's within 1/8 of an inch it was fine" the parts were worn out, and they needed a sloppy fit.
@@knightfall7534 right? I couldn't believe no indicator! haha oh man =\ amazing work considering the circumstances
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface yeah for sure, but if that gear in its final assembly is going anywhere near 500 rpm’s that’s a no from me chief, especially since it’s gonna be meshing with another gear 😬
"Wobbly" could be perceived as a negative term. I suggest "Self aligning" or "servo aligning" cutting tool.
A skilled tradesman will always overcome the shortcomings of his tools. Note the lathe also appears to have a person power feed on the tail stock. Great stuff.
If a machine has an accuracy of +/- 0.015, there is no way a "tradesman" can attain an accuracy of +/- 0.005.
@@Tsamokie BINGO. You can only polish a turd so much. The good news hear is none of their inspection equipment is capable of detecting the non-conformances 🙂
That is truly impressive, even sharpening their own cutting tools is a lost art in a lot of developed countries!
well if they would use a smaller drill to make a pilot hole they would not need to use so much force to drill the big diameter… and therefore the big drill would less overheat and sustain longer
We're not allowed to sharpen them ourselves. They have to be sharpened using the customers (Ford for example) precision jigs, and certified by the tool room before we can use them again.
@@Spinner1987CH Yes machine capability to get the maximum life from the tools before they can no longer be resharpened. If you only got a small number of parts from one tool, then it would push up the cost of those parts.
I learned how to do that in vo tech in the 90's. High speed steel was all we used with cold roll bc it was cheap lol.
Meh, at my job shop I can sharpen anything that's worth the time to set-up.
as long as it wobbles the same way each time, it's at least wobbling with consistence and great wobbly precision. Machinery cringe all over the place, yet the gears look still half decent in the end. amazing!
the guarantee is 60 seconds . they mad a movie about it- gone in ..............
The wobble in the horizontal mill may actually be helping increase feed rate as each tooth is cutting at a different depth.
Those crap ass gear made of unknownium look but will not last even 1% as much as a properly made gear
That's exactly my thoughts too.
In third world countries precision doesn't matter. It only needs to work! He probably only charged a couple if bucks for his efforts
@@meocats you know what? It’ll last a lot longer than no gear. My guess is this piece of scrap they’re reusing is harder than a mild steel. It doesn’t take a genius to recognize hard steel.
Fui torneiro mecanico 15 anos. Confesso: o ser humano quando quer, consegue. Com tudo precário, fizeram um excelente trabalho.
Pra deixar uma engrenagem dessa pronta leva o dia inteiro. Muito trabalho parabéns pelo profissionalismo!
Wow just wow so totally amazing what these guys can do on equipment that's 10000 years old out of Noah's Ark with the bearings of quarter inch play left and right and still come up with a precise fitting cog mechanism absolutely fantastic love you guys
people forget that even more precise machinery was made in the past with more rudimentary tools. look up the antikythera mechanism. and thats just one thing with precision gears made by hand 2000+ years ago. humans have always been amazing. This guy is using space aged equipement compared to ancient peoples.
Обычный токарь высокого разряда!
stop by my channel
Medieval people could come up with a better cog (literally), it's no big deal. It's amazing how people nowadays are amazed with lousy operators using junk machinery to produce trash.
@@matthews1082 and you produce?
I am a beginner cnc student and I know ho difficult is to handle these manual lathes, really appreciable work 👏👏👏
its not about what their shop looked like, its what they can produce. Man that was satisfying even the working effort.
and what they produced was utter crap in every way
@@iatsd sadly youre right. But its not that crappy as you mean.
@@joshuacapones2881 I doubt they were using the right steel. The tolerances were way out for anything the gear might be used for. The machining was terrible. The finishing was close to non-existant. There was zero heat treatment, let alone hardening.
The shit they made will last less than a week before failing. It was complete crap in ever respect.
I respect their endeavour and good outcomes with old machine tools and cutting tools. A few observations: always wear protective glasses; use a centre drill and pilot drill prior to the larger drill; 3 jaw chucks should only be used on bright or machined bar stock. Preferably use a 4 jaw chuck for raw bar. It offers superior gripping and is just as fast when practiced; never leave the chuck key in the chuck.
First world concerns in a third world shop. Sadly, children are often seen working in these shops.
The people in this vid will never read your comment ,professor. You wrote all that for nothin.
I was wondering how far I’d have to scroll through the comments to find a mention of the 3 Jaw on that bar. Also couldn’t agree more on the glasses. I’ve been hit by hot chips many times
And contrary to popular thought a 4 jaw chuck is way more accurate then a three.
@@schizy I worked in a machine shop where that’s all we used. After some experience, it virtually as fast as using a 3 jaw.
In some ways these guys keep themselves in work. The steel from an old ship is not what you need for gear wheels. Ship steel would need to be flexible while the bearing surfaces on the gear teeth need to be hardened. I admire what they accomplish with the poor resources at hand and as I say they keep themselves in business because the life of these gear wheels would be many magnitudes less than with a wheel made from the right steel, accurately machined and correctly heat treated. If these men could make gears of that standard they would get no return custom.
As a Quality Manager at a CNC shop in the US I cringed throughout the video.
As a person who is watching people very far away from me, with unbelievably used equipment, no money, limited education system... I am amazed at what they accomplished. Hats off for using what you have and figuring out how to make things that are hard to make.
If I knew their address I'd send them some dial calipers just so they don't have to keep reading those old verniers.. I hate vernier.
I think it would be more prudent to send them some safety gear. These guys do everything in frikkin slippers!
The number of work related accidents with fatal injuries because of insufficient protection in India/Pakistan is the highest in the world. And as you can imagine, any accident in an environment like that is bound to be horrific.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Yeah and they should take care of themselves by using protective gear as I'm sure they have families to feed
Yes, there's a lot of good/ inexpensive calipers and dial indicators available on the market.
These things are not for high performance or high load machinery mate, the cost reduction of having them done like this is why they sell. They're for things like grain mills and such. They might have hashtags for gearbox and truck in there, but that's just for the viewing algorithm. All these need is a bit of oil sprinkled over them and they handle a few hundred nm or torque just fine.
@brianhoff04 the fact is you may have cringed but you could not do what they do namely make a part as cheap as possible with just enough accuracy. they do it that way for a reason mainly the cost of that part would not pay for the weeks coffee at your shop. everything has a place and a reason.
I always thought that vernier calipers being used was sign of horrible tolerance machining, but these guys whip out a tape measure! even with these tolerances though, the gears probably have chance to mesh themselves together in use eventually. I would be interested in knowing if they get hardened along the way still. OSHA inspector would probably die from stroke watching the first minute :p Commentary track from This old Tony would be great!
Oh man oh man oh man, I thought for sure I was about to watch this dude lose his arm, watching the cuff of his long sleeve dance along the surface of the chuck =/ I felt sick to my fuckin' stomach man hahaha I agree with your comment, would love to hear what T.O.T. would have to say... do you know/watch AVE? He's a fellow foul mouthed Canadian like yours truly... but he tells stories of consulting over in South East Asia and shit, where guys would take a pair of crap-tastic dollar store sunglasses and affix a sheet of cardboard around them to make a welding hood haha =\ Ugh, oh man, it would be so much funnier if it wasn't true.
Nothing wrong with using a tape or a rule when your roughing and taking a lot of material off, then switching to mics as you get somewhat near spec
Oh man oh man oh man, I thought for sure I was about to watch this dude lose his arm, watching the cuff of his long sleeve dance along the surface of the chuck =/ I felt sick to my effin' stomach man hahaha I agree with your comment, would love to hear what T.O.T. would have to say... do you know/watch AVE? He's a fellow foul mouthed Canadian like yours truly... but he tells stories of consulting over in South East Asia, where guys would take a pair of crap-tastic dollar store sunglasses and affix a sheet of cardboard around them to make a welding hood haha =\ Ugh, oh man, it would be so much funnier if it wasn't true.
@@Liam.mitchell1 Spec in this video is a distant dream though
It’s funny because it’s true
I wish our kids here in America were as respectful and attentive as this young man.
All the advanced tooling in the world is no match for even one young man or young women willing to learn diciplene and graduate into society under masters like this. //ji
Rare footage of Mr. Spaceley's great great grandfather creating the companies first sprockets.
Courtesy of Spacely Sprockets memorial footage..
I wonder if Cogswell Cogs had similar beginnings?
It’s sheerly the skill of these men which creates the final product. Much respect to these masters of the craft.
😂 "Masters"
I've no respect to whomever practises child labour.Look at 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits.This guys and this video should not be praised, Instate it should be highly disrespected and banned.
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 are you gonna provide them money to survive. Stfu if you don't know the ground reality of a third world country 🤡
@@masondegaulle5731 and you, a clown 🤡
@@thecuriouskid4481 Well, I am laughing my ass off... 😂 The runout on that plant is _huge!_ Masters of making very poor accuracy junk maybe 👍 🚽
Serious skills on display here, Real craftsmanship.
Don't ever use cutting oil when you're drilling with the tailstock just put a bar and wrench the darn drill into the metal. It's truly amazing what these guys get away with and still get a part that works...Sure it's not pretty but it's darn sure way cheaper than from Boston Gear!
Yeah, I'm sure the quality is crap though, which is why they're still working in a shit hole
I bet Boston Gears saturate surface of their wheels with carbon and quench them so they last for a while unlike this trash.
Oil is costly. Look at the equipment. I don't thinkbthey have the funds to spare on convienece. Iv used pipes on tail stock my self some of the big drill really require alot of pressure.
@ice50mg Not worth a work replacing them.
They didn't want to waste any of the precious used motor oil in the drilling process on the lathe, they actually need it for the milling machine which is wobbly 1cm back and forth in the indexer.
I worked in India in the 80s building a power station. With the most rudimentary equipment and zero safety a power station was built and handed over. I doubt it’s changed much. Oh, and I loved every low-tech minute of it.
Its Pakistan 🇵🇰 Mr....
@@waheedbashir1220 My apologies!
@@ianross225 thanks sir🙂
Indian here. Many things have changed now especially in Government Projects. Things like Hard hats, safety shoes, Hi-Vis jackets are needed. But on non-government projects, anything goes. If you have sometime to watch then search for "Tractor stunts India". So many people with no idea how close they came to dying/.
They should have an international museum that actively collects exceptional workmanship such as this...
Yeah-and the 90 year old left over, sacked-out British machines.
So nice to see a USA made Kearney and Trecker milling machine used to cut the gears. Nice work fellas for sure using simple methods of manufacturing.
Rest of the world has more of our milling machines than we do lol . Hell, can we even make them anymore, or did we sell off all those machines too?
@@jamesbizs We at one time had the largest milling machine maker in the world bar none. Now all we can do is just talk about the machines. The other parts of the world use them to make literally whatever they need, period. What an irony that is J P. All we can do is LOL.
Most gears in the US are made on dedicated gear cutting machines. Also use a grinder for hardened gears. Probably would have made sense to case hardened the gears so they wear slower.
@@jamesbizs America still has a huge production of machine tools, granted, with a lot of imported components. Search here for some very uplifting factory tours. Start with HASS [Surprisingly in California]. Grob, though German based makes top end machines here also.
@@guytech7310 I think this gear will be for a straw or cane chopper and not much more - sacrificial, cheap and dirty work.
Watching these guys work blows my mind every time.
Props to these men turning out these parts.
Greater props to the manufacturers of the lathes.
Those things look at least 80 years old.
I am confident they were not made in China.
PROBABLY ENGLISH.
War finish on the mill is an easy identifier, WW2 period
During my apprenticeship i went thru a manual mills/lathes course and i remember one time a old friend of mine forgot to tuck in his shirt and that damn chuck nearly took him in. Shirt was all ripped and had a few scratches from catching himself, but he lived to see another day and never forgot to tuck in his shirt.
These guys are all accidents waiting to happen. Open toe shoes, no safety glasses, long sleeves, ect. They just don t tell you when one gets killed cause he was drug into a machine.
My man out here measuring gears with a tape measure. Love to see it.
What ! No mic or caliper ??
Процесс заточки модульной фрезы на наждаке шедеврален!
И нечасто у пакистанского токоря штангенциркуль увидишь, возможно в новинку инструмент.
Штанген метр ( рулетка)
@@azizbek__gamer на пальцах же можно измерить. Пальцеметр
Зато центровка какая)
@@lankasterram5518 про центровку тоже порадовало 😂
Они делают, и это у них получается.
Когда это смотришь из глаз течет кровь
هذا لأنك انسان تقدر من يتعب ويبدع من أجل لقمه العيش انا ايضا تاثرت
Особенно на выставление заготовки на валу и кривой вал фрезерного станка
What's funny is i come home from work, to sit down and watch other people work.....
Genius! With so little machinery and tooling, it's amazing! Thumbs up!
I'm both impressed they manage to manufacture anything given the equipment (guess my western living standard has spoiled me) and amused (irony) that the finish product passes the "meshing on the dirt floor" QC
Impressed? I wouldn't say so..Did you not notice?. 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits.This guys and this video should be highly disrespected and this video should be banned.
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 Oh I agree about the child labor aspect, a recurring theme in almost all "Pakistani workshop" style videos than I often bring up, for once I decided to limit my comment to "just" the machining/workshop aspect
@@sergegostoli9524 I'm so sorry to bring in negativity into your comment section.. Somehow I'm totally against any form of child labour exploitation and abuse.They are young,and they're totally unaware that they are being abuse and exploit by this greedy so call businessman. I believe partly it is our duty,we should help them in anyway possible. It is sad to see millions of people watched..But just a small friction noticed..Most viewers are so engrossed by what's going in those video but fail go notice the welfare of those unfortunate children.By the way I've reported this page to RUclips. I doubt any actions will be taken against this page..They have millions of viewers,with just a handful who would've reported. Cheers.
@@bluesky.believeitornot.1882 The young people are probably his sons or grandsons helping out and learning the trade
@@colindigitaljames6619 That doesn't change the fact about"Child Labour". Do you support "Child Labour ".?.
GOD BLESS THIS HARD WORKING MAN & HIS SON & KEEP THEM SAFE
Одного не понимаю, почему около станокв нет подмостков, что бы можно было работать за станком на корточках?
да и в обще непонятно как они еще с руками ходят....а так молодцы.
@@Хог-х6з они трупы инвалидов сразу за гаражом закапывают а у ворот очередь из целых работников.
@@Andrei260786, в реке топят.
@@Andrei260786 :DDDD ахахх ха ха ЪАЪАЪЪА
А еслиб делали эти шестерни из коровьего говна, то за это время можно было в 100 раз больше их "изготовить" ,даже с "закалкой"!
I love this. Its fun to see how it's done in other cultures. but next time you edit something with high frequencies in, Apply a low pass filter and set its frequency range so thay the squeals don't deafen people. Apart from that keep up the great work
This is NOT culture. Unless dirt ass starving poor producing shit gears is a culture....
It never ceases to amaze me that nobody has invented a work bench in Asia and Africa. All the work is done on the ground in the soil.
The level of un-precision in this gear manufacturing is astonishing. But even if the cut is not optimum, it will self mesh over time and run just fine.
Un-precision, well said.
They bent that milling arbor long ago. Still straight for that short run at the root end, so they're just using that portion, probably for years.
...or melt, seize and explode 😬
Making it work!!
@@karma247ajm It all depends on the load and the speed of rotation. But i get your point.
I could watch these guys work like this all day. I do wish they would wear some safety equipment but that's just me being over protective. Thanks for the video.
Yes bloke at end had shoes but no socks on!! Lol
The human knowledge is the power, not the brand new technology!
Respect for these workers!
Pretty impressive to watch. I could be wrong, but I do feel that the centering the gear stock on the spindle could be easier if they just machined up some cone washers for each side.
I love watching people turn trash into treasure. Great video 👍👍
I wonder do you sharpen your own tools?
Everybody could machine this parts with modern conventional or cnc machines. To do this with these old equipment is true art.
Can we have a machinist's without borders program. I can appreciate what these guys are doing with so little but I really feel the need to offer some useful information.
They have internet and youtube, they just don't care.
It's not information they need, it's money to buy the equipment.
@@davemould4638 If that was true they wouldn't trash their lathes and instead of buying more lathes and running them into the ground for want of some used motor oil, save money to buy stuff.
@@topduk The lathes are usually very old used equipment that have already been run into the ground. It is easy to criticise when you have very little idea of the living and working conditions or cultural ethos that pertain. First walk a mile in their shoes ...
@@davemould4638 The cultural ethos of not taking pride in your tools, to the extent that a few drops of used motor oil are too much effort/cost.
I like the involute shaped bench grinder wheel at 16:35.
who cares what you like?
@@andyhuwe8462 Why do you have to be so negative?
@@andyhuwe8462 RUDE
@@andyhuwe8462 The people who liked the comment 👍
@@Mecks I'm positive about positive things and negative about negative things. This was neither really, so I suggest you get yourself a sense of humour.
Nice work, maybe not high precision, but probably good for getting an other machine going again. At least the ship stock metals are directly used here. The lathe machines may be old but they work, the people operating them can fix them and resharpen the bits when required. In the Western society the waste is terrible, most equipment is obsolete within a short time, and the improvising skills have gone and we are so more reliant on computers. Great video.
Thanks
Love the true skills of expert machinest !! They can make any part with only a detailed description !! Love these masters !!!!! 👍👍👍
Заточка модульной фрезы по боковой поверхности это на грани фантастики 🙃
Зато точнось - Космос
У него в голове все модули и эвольвенты с точностью до микрона заложены)))
Меня аж передернуло, когда я это увидел, еще и вручную на наждаке, бррр
А вы видели каким тупым сверлом делали, аж передёрнуло. Пуклевка на месте входа сверла образовалась. Специалисты там, у нас скоро такие же везде будут.
Это точно
This guys are mechanical enggineers .i salute them👍🇵🇭
Очень уважаю ваш труд. Мне кажется вы очень трудолюбивый народ!!! Надеюсь в скором будущем вы станете богаче и независимей!!!
Пока они только независимее... от технологий.
Dear God how do these get on the market and I love the tight half inch tolerances and the acceptable 10mm back play in the tool post
Never manual milled much, eh? Even brand new Colchesters have slack in them and it's a PITA and you have to develop a way to work around it. So once you do that it just doesn't matter how much slack you have - 0.0005" or 0.5" its all the same.
What do you know? May be the play in the tool is not just ignored and the difference has already been accounted. You dont know if the play is in an already calculated range of measurements of the end product.
Take it easy David. They wouldnt waste time and energy to create a product that wudnt fit the application its meant for.
This old tony would be doing head spins if he had to go over there and show them how to do some things!
🤣🤣🤣💪🏼👍🏻
Yep
Hello I’m
I started on manual machines, not nice ones, just like the video.
Even though I now run very precise machines now...there was/is still what I term "eyeballin" , you learn this "feel" on a sloppy manual machine and I still employ it on very precise machines.
I thought I was good at eyeballin but these guys, yeah they are GOOD!
Interesting to see the safety equipment of these people. Also funny how we in Germany produce a gear fully automatically in 5 minutes with laser measuring technology. Nice to see traditional handwork from 50 years ago. We do not know any more.
The difference is the German made gear will last hundreds of thousands of KMs with no wear.
The gears made in this video might last KMs of wear. Maybe.
@@benupde1979final costs would be the same. The funny thing is automobiles with most problems are from Germany and uk. While home grown ones run just fine. And I won't start with VW diesel gate. So much for quality.
@@leonidjoseph5483 thats just not true
Main point is "They don't rely on Germany" for this little bullshit things...
17:53 all that work and then this, unbeleavable
даааа! с такими люфтами точность проточки орет в голосину где то в сторонке)
Пофиг, приработается по месту.
Зато второй раз ремонтировать не придется. Весь механизм в труху...
Зато они обеспечены работой по производству новых шестерен, не то, что у нас некоторые редукторы по 30 лет работают
Там потом в редукторе используют притирочную пасту на основе мелкодисперсного гравия) Помогает убрать неточности производства))
All done manually by hand...no computerize CnC machine...they are the master of craftmanship..
I was especially impressed with the tempering and case-hardening.,
I blinked and missed that part. After that I missed the grinding to final shape part.
I'm sorry..I this is a total disgraceful video. Did you not notice?. 2:15. Exploitation of child labour just to gain profits.This guys and this video should not be praised,Instate it should be highly disrespected and banned. Child labour and abuse should never be encouraged. Period.
Технология 21 века в изготовлении шестерен😁 С другой стороны, люди выживают как могут.
Не показали главного - с какими зазорами потом ставят эти шестерни в машину, и как часто этот сырец меняют... )))
@@saishoxeishexo9327 да гавно они делают из гавна на металлоломе ,который нельзя оборудованием назвать и руки из жопы.
Amazing considering the equipment, well done
Imperfect tools creating imperfect parts.
This is how they earn livelihood for their family. A lot of respect for my country's worker men. 🇵🇰🇵🇰
Barbaros...de que año sin esas máquinas. Uds son de lo mejor, Dios los bendiga. Les respeta, mi gente!!
I can only imagine what they could do with new machines! =X
They would kill them to the condition you currently see
Yes, they can make the new machine shop look just like the old one in a week
Hit them with a hammer and a pipe wrench I suspect.
To the older gentleman, many thanks for showing us your skills.