Which Star Wars Faction has the DUMBEST SHIP? | Star Wars Factions Compared
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- On today's episode of Star Wars Factions Compared we look at the Dumbest Capital Ship!
Today we're comparing the First Order Mandator IV Dreadnought, The Galactic Alliance MC140 Mon Calamari Cruiser, the Empire's Sun Crusher, and some weird jedi sailing ship idk.
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Corey’s video on the Suncrusher
ruclips.net/video/YHyj-v5yPG4/видео.html
@Bone_knapper The force.
@EckhartsLadder Small mistake at 4:28: it's the battle of D'qar :)
The Suncrusher is basically what happens if a KV-2 tank was extremely drunk with " Unlimited Power!!!!!!" and then gave it the ability to fly
I love all of star wars and don't think any of it is dumb. But that's just my personal opinion. I don't look at star wars as "dumb" or "doesn't make sense," I just enjoy it for what it is, a modern day myth in space
the Jedi on that sailing ship is literally an elf!
The worst ship should be a tie between Reylo and Ashoka-Anakin honestly.
Wait not that kind of ship?
She was a good friend.
@@whydontyouhandledeez Luke, have I ever told you of your father's padawan, Ashoka Tano?
The worst part about Reylo is the fact that if Rey is a Skywalker, it is basically incest
@@knightshade2654 Ahsoka: No, *I* am your mother.
Rey-What? No such thing...Luke never became a bitter exile either...that is Disney Wars, not Star Wars!
the sun crusher is THAT kid from everyone's childhood. The i have all the super powers kid. "Oh yeah well I can blow up suns and go into hyperspace and also my armor is invincible""
To be honest, I am sort of disappointed that Legends would create so many world enders and all. Did they even take it out? Like I’m fine with the Death Star not being the greatest but the Sun crusher is like “Hey I’m just going to insta delete a solar system and you can’t do anything about it!”
@@Predator20357 You know, I remember in the 90's a lot of the EU novels were actually kind of infamous for not being very original and basically just trying to rehash ideas from the OT movies.
Like there used to be jokes about how often EU stories involved someone trying to clone Palpatine--"Damn, I wish I could come up with a cool new villain, but I'm a deadline for this so I guess I'll just clone the Emperor again."
(And yes, it's extra-funny now that someone actually did it in an official Star Wars movie.)
Stuff the Sun Crusher was actually the somewhat better version of this, because instead of just literally copying something from the movies, at least they were trying to think of something that would be even worse than a Death Star.
If I remember that story, though, somebody finds the Sun Crusher in some unmapped system that the Empire used as a secret testing ground for superweapons, and there are also like fifteen fucking unused Death Stars just sitting around there, too--so the guy who steals the Sun Crusher has to escape from a whole goddamn swam of Death Stars chasing after him.
It was pretty ridiculous.
Some of the Legends novels are really good--but there are a lot of Legends novels. Some of them are actually painfully bad.
Mac Deus sounds about right, it feels like it’s trying to up the stakes like so far out there. What you described of the Sun Crusher fleeing away from 15 Death Stars is funny but is like 300 percent stupid. What’s next? A Galaxy destroyer running away from 30 Sun Crushers with supreme reality warping armor and can move to anywhere on the galaxy?
But yeah, some things that legends had was cool (clones actually having the blame on them for following the orders instead of saying “They were mind control from all guilt!” Basically) but all creativity and freedom comes with very very stupid ideas
Basically its warhammer 40k.
@@robertharris6092 Nope. The Blackstone Fortress is a gigantic spacestation and not indestructible. Problematic ones are the Necrons, with their World Engine and Star Palaces(I call 'em like that, cuz there are no names for them), the letter are capitals of the biggest dynasties, which were build inside the star cores. So yeah, it's partly debatable.
Star Wars: A flying pirate ship.
Me: this is what happens when you put 4 year olds in charge of making a new ship
Indeed
It even has flags on top haha
And the Sun Crusher is what you get when that boy grows up to be a 13 year old, and you're still employing him.
@@bificommander That's Kevin J. Anderson for you.
How else are there going to be space pirates?
With the Fairwind it does just look like someone started drawing a Treasure Planet comic, decided it should be Star Wars halfway through and was too lazy to redraw the ship
It fits with the general them and Aesthetic of the late new Sith Wars period when warfare had regressed to an almost medieval clash between the Jedi and the Sith.
Even lightsabers were lost-tech for instance.
Or they were in the middle of writing a Spelljammer comic and were told to adapt it to star wars.
Sorry for the weird editing issue with the intro and the dreadnought picture lmao. Must’ve messed something up during the render.
Tender? Like naval tender?
Fairwind confirmed Eckharts secretly favorite ship.
Lol, nice video tho
It's like First Order propaganda but with ASMR to force you to join them Lmao.
Funny nonetheless
We all make mistakes
I actually like World Devastators, because they were quite flexible idea what could be easily tinkered with and fit broader lore (specifically the theory that they were Abominors). But Sun Crusher is straight dumb.
I really feel like the Scythe was a slap in the face to Mon Cal ship builders of the past. MC90 was an incredible boat
God I hate the Scythe with a passion.
I think it could be better if the blade rotated horizontally giving it a wider firing arc if necessary(not by much tho)
@@gokbay3057 what if the ship can transform into a robot and that blade is the sword. #dumbestfanfic
It’s just so ugly
Hammerhead boat for the calamari people. Cant get muck cornier
Sun Crusher's design:
Does and doesn't work
Mandator IV's design:
A true space faring pizza slice
MC-140's design:
TENNOHEIKA BANZAI
Fairwind's design:
Why... Just why?
BANZAI!
BANZAI!
BANZAI!
Whoever designed the Fairwind must have watched Disney's Treasure Planet too many times.
@@PhoenixAlaris93 hey, ships in Treasure Planet at least look much more beautiful and harmonic than this glorified kindergarten pirate boat
@@nickcher7071 Eh... you got me there.
I am pretty certain that the MC-140 was the attempt to outright steal the Design of the "Oracle"-Battlecruiser of EVE Online without making it too obvious, thus they threw a Mon-Cal-Ship like looking Blob at it to not get into a copyright lawsuit.
The Scythe: Galaxy's most excessive starfighter.
Yeah, and why did they make it look like a massive pizza slice
Or like one of the pizza knives you have to rock back-and-forth with.
Haha eckhartsladder's classic intro
*FIRST ORDER DREADNOUGHT*
Lol
Yeah that thing was a complete disaster like why not target the raddis if you target the main ship there going for the resistance is pretty much stuck on the planet
Mandator-IV and MG-100 Resistance Bomber is the worst ships in Star Wars history.
I wonder what the Mandator-V will look like
@General Kenobi hello there
First Order Dreadnought design : A giant ridiculous pizza slice of death.
50% off your First Order at Snoke's Pizzeria.
@@DIEGhostfish along with a side of Starkiller bread and Kylo Cola.
I mean the ship probably isn't too bad, I think it was more dumb in what they did or didn't do.... Like deploying fighter screen or shooting the only ship they can escape on instead of the abandoned base
@@moochkin Yes, Basically a decent ship in the hands of bad management.
Ridiculous but decent LOL.
On Second thought I can only Imagine what Thrawn would have done with the Mandator IV... :O
Sun Crusher: the ice-cream cone of doom
The Fairwind is crewed by satyrs and harpies?
Are you sure that's a Star Wars comic?
Yeah it's kinda like they had a change of plan mid drawing and said "I ain't redrawing all that shit,you're getting a space boat"
I was thinking the same thing. If you had showed me this page without context, I would immediately assume it was from some high-fantasy comic.
I actually really like the Scythe's design. Not every ship in a fleet should be a balanced do-all ship, it's cool that there could be some ships that are just bloody brilliant at one specific task.
The purpose of the scythe seems to be just overwhelming firepower on a single target, so I'd imagine a handful of these would be unmatched in their ability to efficiently take down a large dreadnought. Of course they'd need an escort fleet, but as the Bismarck proved, NEVER leave your ship to fight alone.
Exactly. There is so much praise for the Lancer being the ultimate anti-fighter ship despite it being slow and barely usable against any other ships. The MC140, despite being a third of the size, can fight Pellaeon Destroyer on the same level and win. Plus the ship is fast so it's not like it takes too long to readjust its position to get back in the line of sight.
I don't think the overall idea is bad, so I agree. I just feel like having some weaponry on the rear with a greater range of motion and proper usage of the MC140 would make it a much better vessel
The issue isn't the single purpose, its the bad design FOR that purpose. In reality, the Mandator-IV is a much better fit for purpose design than the MC-140. It's primary bombardment cannons might be exposed, but only from one direction of attack while the other side is bristling with defensive weapons. If brought into low orbit many enemy ships and squadrons would be forced to attack from the defended side.
By forcing the Scythe guns to the front ship captains are incapable of firing while maneuvering to maintain maximum defensive posture. If the Mandator is attacked from below it can deploy a fighter screen while the heavy cannons attack enemy warships or even flip upside down to present a larger array of conventional weaponry. If the Scythe is flanked it is completely defenseless and forced to flee. Also, if the shields go down the Scythe will lose all of its external weaponry and hangers immediately while other ships have to be individually targeted to eliminate the various defensive systems.
This same ideology is the reason why the German Maus tank was made, specialized designs are impractical in reality and fiction
@@thecactusman17 "Bristling with weapons?" The Mandator IV has a rubbish amount of weaponry for a ship that size, and they aren't even capable weapons since one lone fighter is able to cripple them by itself.
Also, most starfighters have been shown to function effectively in atmosphere so low orbit strategies would likely be useless.
Both the Scythe and the Mandator have huge blind spots, and both would need an escort fleet and fighters to defend them.
Empire: uses poorly designed tie fighters
Also Empire: Sun crusher go woosh
Idk man. Those poorly designed Tie Fighters wiped out all but three of the rebel fighters at Yavin IV with no discernible casualties.
Only thing that is really poorly designed about tie fighters is how in the movies the always only send 1 or two squadrons of them to fight rebels.
I doubt the outcome of the 1st or second death star battle would have been the same if the empire would have just send everything they got against few dozen x wings.
Palpatine should have just launched all of the 7000-9000 tie fighters and be done with it. Not to mention all the tie fighters star destroyers had.
@@Fydron exactly
@@forrestpenrod2294 Not even a particularly large force either, perhaps less than 20 against 2 full squadrons of Rebel heavy fighters and bombers.
TIE Fighters don't do that bad in the movies... until the sequel trilogy at least when Poe Dameron and Rey tore them apart. But against any other pilots they are threatening.
5:20 what I think they were trying to go for was a Star Wars equivalent to a ww2 tank destroyer.
Essentially they were tanks based on existing tank chassis but rather than having a gun on a rotating turret they instead remove the turret entirely and have a much larger gun sticking out of the hull
@NokturnalM1488 not really, They were more effective at taking themselves out than enemy tanks
I swear, the Fairweather makes me wanna run around the ship and look for Lord Nelson
I've always thought that The Last Jedi's Mandator IV is either a prototype or an unfinished ship rushed into service because the few complete Mandators were busy assaulting the New Republic. That would explain the unfinished look and relative lack of anti-fighter weapons (more were to be installed later). Then again, it's not like it's a ship that you'd deploy without an escort, it has fantastic range, and it seems to be pretty durable - the Resistance dropped literally 1,000 proton bombs on a specific weak spot they had identified from its blueprints (presumably to breach the reactor) and whole chunks of it survived with functional life support (as shown in Season 2 of the Resistance show). And it has a fighter wing. So it's not like it's at risk of a single Y-wing flying over and taking it out - several things had to go wrong for Fulminatrix to go down. Combined with its incredible offensive potential (its cannons can clearly slaughter Lucrehulks, space stations, Star Destroyers and MC cruisers from long range, in addition to ground targets) and it definitely has a role in its fleet that it performs well. And I think it's cool to see an on-screen Star Wars capital ship in a different niche than "battleship that's also a carrier" or "super-dreadnought." I've never understood the raw disdain people have for it.
I feel like that's pretty realistic
Or at least the one in TLJ could be a prototype model
@@SlavGod47 The comic 'Allegiance' showed that Hux has at least one more Mandator IV at his disposal, but it's clearly not a widely deployed craft. I think prototype makes a lot of sense - it's likely quite expensive to make.
I like the idea of a dedicated bombardment ship, but the design on this one just isn't there. The oversized articulated cannons are kind of dumb (they elevate so slowly that you might as well capitalize on the power and hull benefits of making them spinal mounted and drop the rule that Ships Must Fly Upright). The bridge is also everything bad about Star Destroyer bridges but turned up to 11. To top it off, the point defense is not built like point defense; apart from only having it on one side, those are anti-corvette cannons at the very least (you don't need a turret bigger than a starfighter for fighting starfighters). If it's really going to be a dedicated bombardment ship, slim it down to focus on the main weapon instead of having a massive amount of extra ship that's just taking up space. It'll be faster and easier to defend, and will probably hit harder.
Somehow the Mandator IV makes the most sense out of all of these. A dreadnought designed for orbital bombardment could actually be very effective if accompanied by a fleet and on a mission to flatten the surface of a planet, which it can do with great efficiency. It's a shame disney wasted the ship. However it does have some serious design flaws, like the over-exposed bridge and lack of point-defense canons on the underside.
Kinda fits with the specialization of the Empire/First Order. I mean without the First Orders nonsense somehow having wealth and power out of nowhere. The Imps always had more specialized role Capital Ships and fighter/bombers like the Interdictior and various TIE roles, anti fighter Lancer frigates or Tartan Cruisers etc because they could afford to make a capital ship whose sole purpose is a turbolaser platform. Even the Imperial Class needed support ships and it's the most multi role thing they have (Maybe tie defender). The Rebels tried to make use of everything and multiroled stuff that wasn't even designed as such.
*Me, waiting to hear the word “Q-Wing”:*
What if there was a "Z-Wing"?
@@existential_narwal9257 hmm... I don’t know...
@@existential_narwal9257 there was a z95?
@@existential_narwal9257 The closest ship to having the letter z is a headhunter.
Robot Chicken Flashback intense
The only weakness of the Suncrusher is that it always gets flagged by RUclips copyright for using Resonance torpedos
I never thought i'd see a resonance torpedo, let alone create one.
The Sun Crusher is so powerful it sounds like a joke.
Yeah it just sound like a dragon ball character at that point
I actually see it as a truely stupid design due to how logically it would be beyond easy to beat.
Sure its hull is indestructable, but the rest of it isn't. Its weapons can be destroyed as they are outside the hull, its got a big window on the front (so in theory ramming it through anything breaks that and kills the crew), its biggest weakness though, its engines. They by their nature, have to be outside the hull, or more precisely be a big hole in the hull, shoot it in the ass, the ship's inards all explode, your left with an empty floating hull. Oh and a final point, even if the ship is indestructable, it hitting a solid object (like a star destroyer) would kill the crew, inertia is a thing, and well, unless it has the most overpowered inertial compensators too, you hit a big object at speed, you turn the crew into paste. That said I saw a video on how the death star firing its super laser would turn the crew into paste too, recoil is a thing, and yes lasers do actually generate recoil (even if SW doesn't actually use lasers, it uses some energised plasma weapons).
As for its weapons, meh, they exist in other series, they are basically Nova bombs from Andromeda, except that only this ship carries them. If you developed such a powerful missile, you'd think you'd deploy them throughout your fleet rather than putting all your eggs in 1 basket.
It literally survived being "hidden" in the middle OF A SUN for YEARS until a Jedi force pulled it out and flew it away like it was parked in a garage for winter.
@@cgi2002 the Suncrusher was literally a miniature version of the Death Star. Everything was made of the exact same indestructible metal. It's engines hidden around the edges. It didn't need a bulky and heavy hyperdrive engine because it's sublight was already capable of hyperspace on their own. The ship was truelly impervious and was impossible to take down, but it's pilot and lasers were not and had to vacate the area once it fired off its main weapon so that they weren't killed by the star going supernova and then crushing into a super black hole. They did try to surround it and wedge it in place between ships to stop it gaining enough speed to ram someone.
The only way to stop it was wait till the pilot left the cockpit and try to get onboard and lock them out and take it.
It was the same scientist that designed the Death Star that designed the Suncrusher. All of its faults were finally fixed in a tiny little miniature machine of pure death. It was later flown on autopilot into the Black holes to hopefully and finally be destroyed.
However later Dalla finally got her hands on some scarily serious tech that perhaps might of finally managed to destroy it, but we will never know.
It sounds like that one guy who makes their characters op in rpgs like d&d
The Mandator-IV is actually very practical for what it is: a long range bombardment weapon system designed for engaging a target after space superiority is acheived.
Rian just didn't understand what he was looking at and decided it needed to be a miniature Death Star setpiece. He could have made a better movie by reimagining the ship as a narrative motivator.
Reimagine the entire film around this ship and it becomes vastly more interesting AND gives the middle of the film more exciting story potential. The Resistance is forced to flee, as they escape the Mandator drops out of hyperspace and leaves a smoking crater hundreds of miles across at their abandoned base with a single cannon. It refocuses the other on the fleeing ships and blasts the nearest one to pieces in a single blow from extreme range. The energy charge starts rebuilding slowly, it will take hours to fully recharge and the biggest ship will require both cannons combined.
Now the whole idea of chasing down the fleet makes more sense, and jumping to another planet where they can hide will just invite a massacre. The Resistance needs to destroy the Mandator while a team sneaks aboard the flagship to disable the Hyperspace tracker. All the while the Mandator picks off smaller ships with the bombardment cannon.
At the film's midpoint, Poe leads Blue Squadron and the Resistance starfighter reserves in a desperate, unauthorized assault against the Mandator. They destroy the bombardment weapon but Kylo slips past their fighters to destroy the Raddus' bridge, killing most of the leadership. Rose Tico's sister, all of Cobalt squadron and most of Blue squadron dies in the assault on thre Mandator. Finn and Rose are captured by a tractor beam while trying to sneak aboard the Supremacy with BB-8. Their last words before capture to Poe are to leave them and save the Resistance fleet. Poe returns and tells Holdo to jump to any nearby system where they can scatter to safety but she now holds him personally responsible for the loss of Resistance leadership after taking their fighter screen for the attack. She throws him in the brig; the fighter screen should have been their final distraction to cover the escaping shuttle pods after disabling the hyperspace tracker.
Indeed. M-IV is such a missed potential, cool ship.
The rebellion already dealt with a executor so theres no logical reason they cNt deal with the mandator.
See, they could have had a serviceable plot like yours if they'd given it any thought at all.
@@robertharris6092 The destruction of the Executor if we're talking Canon was a lucky hit. An A-Wing got shot down and made it past the Deflector and Ray shielding, crashing straight into the bridge of the vessel, killing the entire command crew. This resulted in the ship losing control and crashing into the Death Star II. Without that chance hit, Executor would've proved much much harder to take down.
@@rebelgaming1.5.14 and what keeps them from doing the same thing again?
3:50 "It is boring and uninspired, but it also doesn't make a whole lot of sense" Congratulations, Eck. You not just summarized the design of that ship, but the Disney Wars trilogy as a whole in the same sentence.
Imperial Captain: "All right, crew! Sing along with me to commemorate the christening of our new Star Destroyer."
"Oooooh...who lives in a pineapple under the *gaaCCkk!!"*
Lord Vader: (While clenching his fist at the Captain) *"No!"*
Who the hell said “yes” to the Fairwind?! The ship looks ridiculous in this universe!
The pirate ships are the "Dumbest" ships, the sun crusher is the most "broken".
I had no clue the fairwind was a thing but I love how stupid it is. Like how so bad it's good at least in my opinion.
I really like the Age of Sail ship aesthetic but I don't think it really fits in with Star Wars.
Lord Farfalla may have been vain and had garish tastes, but, there's no denying how much of a badass Jedi he was. I have to give the guy his due!
Reminds me of Treasure Planet
This is a ship he took to war with the Sith.
I think it suffers from the whole pre Kotor syndrome. Tales of The Jedi and all those Old Republic lore tried so hard to show that it was still a sci fi space fantasy but also somehow thousands of years before the movies. So rather then like have modern bullets and afterburner tech it was random magic unbreakable swords, musket lasers and space ship boats that are both prehistoric and shitty as well as futuristic. Then kotor came along and took all the good parts of the setting and made it just the standard "star wars level" of technology so you could enjoy the setting and story without the weird/jarring "wooden ships". This is coming from a guy who really did like a lot of the Tales of the Jedi aesthetic.
I admit I do like the Mandator-IV dreadnought in a way, but God I could literally rant, yes rant for HOURS about all the design flaws about this ship because whatever Rian ordered the ILM team to construct, I felt that the actual concept would've (and should've) turned out differently as a much much more practical and obviously less dumb ship
You mean the Ravager (Centurion-class) ?
The later revealed Onager Star Destroyer did this more appealing and better
"You know the exposed Star Destroyer bridge everyone always mocks? I want that but MORE"
2:50 well if its a material developed in a super secret military installation that also implements that the material isn't available in large quantities.
Because of that the starfighter size makes sense. I love the idea of the suncrusher its better in terms of creativity than yet another death star
Yeah, the Sun Crusher was intended as a Star Wars analogue of Cold War doomsday projects like Project Pluto (or more recently, Russia's Poseidon torpedo). Everything about it is excessively expensive, and it's heavily implied that quantum armor is prohibitively difficult to manufacture. I can think of only three ships that had it (Lando's gas giant mining ship Fast Hand and the Dark Jedi/Second Imperium leader Brakiss's personal courier ship Shadow Chaser).
With that said, it looked for a little while like it was going to just start showing up everywhere, and that would have been DUMB.
I like the Fairwind, personally. It's a one-off novelty ship, like Dooku's Solar Sailer, not a "serious" ship of the line. It works as an eccentric ship, for an eccentric Jedi.
Dooku's Solar Sailer at least has a toe in science. The idea works, but the sail would have to be WAY larger to have any appreciable effect on a metal capsule with big.
@@MonkeyJedi99
For me, Star Wars is already such an unrealistic setting, that calling some ships more "scientific" than others feels like hair splitting. I don't mind when Star Wars leans harder into fantasy, as long as it's internally consistent.
Eck: "The MC 140 looks really cool"
Me: "Well... I'm going to have to disagree on that one. It's probably going to be the dumbest looking ship in this video" *Sees the Fairwind* "Okay, okay! Second dumbest looking ship".
I also have say that as ugly as it is, I think the Mandator is the LEAST dumb looking ship on the list.
Quantum crystalline plot armor
Honourable mention, the Supremacy
I like when you mix legends and canon. It helps me create proper head-canon.
The last one looks like something out of Disney's Treasure Planet.
Hell yeah, More factions compared!
I love factions compared, it’s what got me into this channel.
I remember being 11 or 12 when my friend first told me about the sun crusher and how awesomely powerful it was and I was just like "Seriously?" because he was unironically really into it.
It was a cool plot device, especially once it got stolen by a terrorist.
As a general design though, not really.
"when the jedi sprit bombed the sith"
-EckhartsLadder
Thanks, now I see a jedi charging up a sprit bomb for the next 10 episodes.
Technically it should be the other way around, since the Sith thought bombed the Jedi (a thought bomb is way less fun than a spirit bomb though; it rips the souls out of anything Force-sensitive in its area and is actually MORE effective the stronger the Force user caught in it. It's also a suicide weapon, because the creator of the thought bomb is the closest to the detonation).
As always, Eck, amazing content! This was a fun video. And, yeah, as mixing legends and canon is generally fine by me! Keep up the awesome work.
There's like 5 people saying they're first.
Sometimes when you turn on a video you may not see the comment and you have to refresh for it to come up. So that's why you might get more than one person saying their first.
and Im one of them hahaha
I am 0th, Amateur.
the scramble for africa
Sun Crusher: Basically what 40k sounds like from a non-40k fan based on 40k fans
Mandator IV: A really cool concept, could be much better but it really do make sense
Scythe: Basically the Star Wars version of a UNSC ship. Not too bad of an idea, but its hideous
Flying Pirate Ship: Basically Dark Eldar 40k
UNSC doesn't make ridiculous useless blades. The MACs are in the hull. Yeah sure the main weaponry is fixed forward but UNSC is far superior a design compared to the Scythe.
>Basically Dark Eldar 40k
Butt they used flying pirate ships only in atmosphere, while the design was taken from the Hutt's repulsor jaht.
Flying Pirate Ship: Basically Treasure Planet. As many ppl written already.
I always loved the look of the mon calamari
“ITS A TRAP!”
Glad to have the Factions Compared series back Eckharts 😁😁
"It's gaudy, it doesn't fit within the rest of how Star Wars looks, and I just think it takes away from the seriousness of, say, the Battle of Ruusan."
Yeah, that sounds like Farfalla lol
In-universe, its by far the Farwind
Out of universe, it is by far the Sun Crusher
Oh god the Sun Crusher
Another great vid! Awesome as always!
Another great vid, I enjoy the mix of legends and cannon. A WH40k vid i watched said this about cannon, "Everything is cannon, but not everything is true." I love this approach and think you apply it wonderfully.
I could see the Sythe playing a long range artillery role in a fleet rather than a main cruiser.
I'll defend the Scythe and Mandator, these two at least have functional applications that make sense, even if they're not used right. The other two are just a bit over the top though
Yes a new video. I love youre videos eckatsladder
I love factions compared! Thanks for a new one!
For the Sun Crusher's quantum crystal armor, the novels could have justified it being more rare by having the same properties that make it indestructible also make it prohibitively hard to mine and/or forge on a large scale.
I thought I remembered some minutiae somewhere that the quantum crystalline armor could only be forged very slowing by specific gravitational forces inside the Maw, and that cutting and fitting it took even longer than that.
I may have imagined it, but it was my understanding that construction (not development) of that single vessel was pretty much a decade's work.
@@digitalis2977 It's been at least a decade since I read the Jedi Academy books, I might be forgetting some details like the one you meantioned.
Thats what they did. Even in the book iirc Kyp mentioned that if they put that armor on a warship everyone would be screwed, the response was along the lines of "this thing cost as much as the deathstar, and took almost as long to build."
They DO though.
Also the Sun Crusher didn't even invent this kind of super armor anyway, the Star End prison from the 1979! book Han Solo: At Star's End was coated in "Molecularly bonded armor" that was said to be immune to a barrage of tubrolasers from a star destroyer. It was so strong that it's exploding reactor core actually launched the prisoner from underneath like a rocket isntead of just blowing it up. Then you've got crap like Beskar and probably others I'm forgetting besides. Basically Star Wars is full of these one off/super rare 'super tech' items so shitting on the Sun Crusher for it has always seemed a tad hypocritical to me.
The Sun Crusher was bad less because of the uber tech, but mainly because it was basically invented to facilitate a badly thought out mess of a story where a guy who murders billions is basically just freed of any responsibility by mumbling something about 'force ghosts' and then it's basically all forgotten and forgiven.
The the Space tall ships are at an aesthetic and technological level so, SO much worse then the Sun Crusher IMO.
Honestly the MC 140 kinda makes sense if it played the role as a sort of glass cannon in fleets meant to deal ridiculous amounts of damage to capital ships and nothing else. The way it is presented and used definitely doesn't make sense.
Yes! Caught a video early. Love factions compared, got me into your channel. Good vid as always! Also congrats on the second child!
I could see the space pirate galleon idea working from a very ascetic focused group. Such as on Naboo, where form seemed to matter over function. At least there as a folly ship perhaps. Folly as in the grand houses or fake castles a lot of rich people built which had little function but vaguely look the part. And then perhaps someone has to use or adapt said folly in a time of need.
The only feeling the Mandator 4 gives me is a craving for deep dish pizza.
I wouldn't mind the "sail" space ships if they where fancy yacht and not a warship.
Just found out about factions compared today. New fav series/playlist < 3
Love all your content but its cool to see the legends and cannon together.
4:03 So this is Starship Sins?
(in regards to the suncrusher) Causing a 'chain reaction' in a star to make it self destruct really makes no sense. A star is already in a state of continuous chain reaction of the highest energy possible given the materials the star is made of and its size. The only way you could make it more energetic is to compress it or add significant mass to it. Like double or more the mass or compression.
Presumably it's doable in Star Wars since you have fictional materials like "hypermatter" whose properties amount to "whatever the writers need it to be".
The series returns!!!!!!!! You should do which faction has the best ground transport: AT-OT, MTT, AT-AT and one other
The Mandator is like artillery. Probably pretty good support but if it has to defend itself you’ve probably already lost the battle
Holdo would’ve liked to have the mc140 in TLJ.
This is my list and my reasons... the TL;DR is at the bottom.
Worst:
Pirate ships in Space are Absolutely garbage...
1. The wood isn't going to block radiation. (will kill the people on board)
2. They are lightweight so easily destroyed/damaged by explosions.
3. The wood doesn't keep atmosphere, thus the people on board will eventually run out of air.
4. The wood will lose all integrity to the heat/cold differential of space, so the ships will break up on their own.
5. They aren't designed with the 3 dimensions of space so their underside is completely vulnerable.
Second to Worst:
Sun Crusher is the most lore broken thing in Legends...
1. Negates the Death Stars by simply being able to do more than them with little missiles.
2. Can't be destroyed in any way.
3. Destroyed anything in its path.
Third to Worst:
The Xyston-Class... I know it wasn't on the list, but it deserves to be on it as it a mix of two other ships...
1. It has the same problems as the Sun Crusher causing other "super weapons" to be impotent while also suffering from the same flaw as the First Order Dreadnought... it was purposely designed to be easily destroyed.
2. It's an upscale version of the Imperial-I with a single gun turret on it, completely uninspired lazy design.
Fourth to Worst:
First Order Dreadnought is incompetently designed in order to give the Resistance Plot Armour so Paige Tico can go on her death ride...
1. This is unforgivable... it's one thing to use a weak point in a ship's design to destroy them (shield bulbs on Star Destroyers, the A-Wing Ramming the Bridge of the Executor), it's completely another thing to purposely design a ship so it _will_ be easily destroyed. The ship was vulnerable to Proton Torpedo runs made by several squadrons of X-Wings, B-Wings, and Y-Wings... A hundred or so Proton Torpedoes could do the same thing a dozen of Proton Bombs as they are only hitting the central reactor... or they could use fewer Proton Torpedoes and destroy the guns themselves.
Fifth to Worst:
The MC-130... impracticable design...
1. That's just it... the fins with the weapons are easily destroyed but destroying them doesn't impair the functionality of the ship at all. This isn't a _dumb_ ship EckhartsLadder! You just don't like the design when there are much dumber ships out there.
TL;DR
I would take a cool looking ship with some impractical design elements (as long as they don't inpaire the functionaility of the ships) over ships which are purposely designed to _fail_ and I would take the purposely designed to fail ships over ships which destroy the lore/immersion of Star Wars.
Wood can block radiation ( any solid material can, in some capacity ), it's just not very good at it. Agree on everting elese tho.
@@ComissarYarrick ,
Only a few types of radiation... and remember Space is full of multiple types of radiation, and the intensity of this radiation varies depending on location... even hyperspace has radiation.
Here's a quick synopsis of radiation protection:
www.thomasnet.com/articles/plant-facility-equipment/radiation-shielding-materials/
I agree with your 1st and 2nd choice, but start to disagree with you after that.
Xyston-Class: It's definitely "dumb" in many aspects, however ultimately it's a Legends era Eclipse-class reskinned to look like an ISD-1 and with a bit more power to its superweapon (the Eclipse-class could only crack the crust of a planet IIRC). I do like that its superweapon isn't an "instakill" though like the Death Star, that it has to fire several "pulses" to actually destroy the planet. If the ship was more thought out, with a unique design and maybe either a less powerful superlaser and/or one that takes longer, it wouldn't be terrible. What was dumb about the Xyston-class was less the ship itself and more everything else surrounding it (like not knowing which way was up). It is weird though that it's about 1/3rd the size of the Mandator-IV, and yet vastly more powerful. Though personally I prefer smaller ships so meh.
I do want to add here that the idea that their shields don't work in atmosphere isn't a wholly new concept in Star Wars. Some older lore did suggest ISDs struggled in atmosphere because of how much energy had to be put into the repulsors to keep them afloat in a gravity well. Though how well that excuse works when the same reactor can power a planet-killing superweapon...
Mandator-IV Siege Dreadnought: The ship is horribly under-equipped for its size, especially in regards to AA guns (though that could be said for most ships in SW). What's worse is the AA guns it does have are useless, they literally have the same flaw as the turbolasers on the Death Star (fighters are too small/nimble) but at least it sort of made sense with the DS-1. However monitor type ships did exist. This things biggest flaw is arguably that it's too damned big for what it is. It has potential, if more thought was put into it or if the director who came up with it had half a brain. Sadly because neither of those proved to be the case, and thus it definitely falls somewhere within the top 10 dumbest Star Wars designs. Between the original 4 however I would consider it the least dumb.
MC-140 Scythe: A quick google search didn't yield results on the size of this thing, but it is called a "battlecruiser." According to SW Legends reckoning, specifically the Anaxes War College System, a battlecruiser fell somewhere between a Star Destroyer and a Dreadnought, meaning this is a big ship. That's very problematic because in that case it's very lightly armed for its size. Having all of its weapons facing forward also doesn't make sense considering Star Wars naval "surface" battles are fought more like age of sail battles than even WW1 or WW2 style battles. Lots of big guns at relatively close range. Compared to a Star Destroyer both can focus fire on targets directly in front of them, but the ISD can put out a not inconsiderable amount of punishment to targets on its flanks while the MC-140 is mostly helpless. If the MC-140 was a lot smaller, more in the range of a corvette or frigate, it would make a lot more sense. Basically make it a missile/torpedo boat or fast attack craft or whatever you want to call it. In other words something that blurs the lines between fighter and ship. As is however, given its size, armament, and layout relative to the style of warfare in Star Wars, it's a dumb design. Not as dumb as a Pirates of the Caribbean cameo in SW, but pretty dumb for something that's supposed to work with the naval doctrine of the universe.
well don't forget about those slow bombers in the movie we all wanna forget.
@@129das See, those are an example of a craft that has the potential to make sense in-universe but idiot writers make it otherwise. Imagine for a moment that they weren't really bombers, but instead initially designed for small cargo or firefighting or police/prisoner transport, etc. Then the Resistance comes along and, out of desperation for any kind of bomber, acquired some and strapped some guns on them and filled their cargo bays with bombs. Now everything about them makes sense, from their terrible design to their low speeds, and it makes the Resistance look all the more desperate.
But no, the braindead powers that be made it a dedicated military craft commissioned by the New Republic during the Galactic Civil War to serve as a strategic bomber, in a universe where orbital bombardment exists...
Hell yes, Factions Compared is back!
Great job eckhart keep it up
"The Sun Crusher is so insanely overpowered -"
*A wild JJ appears:* Hello there!
Faction: Resistance
Ship: MG-100 StarFortress SF-17
How is this not a 10 second video?
That's the first and only ship that I thought of, since I do not really know anything about comics and Legends
TLJ is extra special for singlehandedly having TWO ships that should have been in this video, from two different factions, and having those two ships fight each other and nothing else.
Great vid! I'd love to see a battle breakdown of the Battle of Fondor from the Star Wars Legacy of the Force: Revelation book.
I think something they could change about the MC140 Scythe is just put general PD lasers on its main body as well as a few turbolasers, and replace all of the turbolasers and hanger bays for missle and proton torpedo lanchers so it can be used as a ship that could unleash its barrage down on either a few key enemy ships like say some kind of interdictor so that they could then escape, or use them to target down some critical spot on a larger enemy ship such as its shield generators so that the scythe could basically be used as a platform to unleash a huge amount of damage initially in a battle to gain some kind of advantage, with the rest of it performing almost like a small carrier/corvette, protecting other more important ships.
The mandatory IV is a pretty ship and you can’t convince me otherwise.
Love that flat submarine aesthetic. I think EC Henry genercized it in his interpretation (no hate tho love that man)
Eckharts Ladder: talks about dumbest ship in Star Wars
Me: You guys haven't seen Bob Temple Tank yet...
How dare you bad mouth the Bob Semple? its a feat of engineering, the best tank of WWII. Nothing could beat it
@@jeremygrover5979 I am so sorry. It beat the invading Japanese tanks after all (that never landed)
Great comment, though, Jeremy:)
This is great timing for me, I've been listening to Tapcaf, and I am right in the middle of the Jedi Academy Trilogy.
Sometimes I just take a break from watching Star Wars content... It only makes me feel better every time I come back :)
Honestly the dreadnaught in my opinion. It was so poorly designed.
*sun crusher
@@mariobadia4553 I said *my* opinion.
@@mariobadia4553 at least the Sun Crusher is virtually indestructible, now the Mandator-IV is an extremely poorly designed ship, just like the Resistance Bomber, I preferred to ride a TYE-Wing than to ride two ships I mentioned earlier.
@@techticianlarsproductions6180 I agree with you, in my opinion the worst design error of the Mandator-IV is the extremely exposed bridge, in addition it should have more weapons.
@@Obiwan7100 betted point defense, more superstructure, easier dispatched Ties. A looooot of issues.
damn im early #notificationsgang
I like when you mix legends and canon, cause I see them both as one, it's all Star Wars and weather it's the canon decided by whomever decides it, or not. I'm going to enjoy it.
I've missed these types of videos please do more
Look up Azur Lane Star Wars on Google :)
You just thought “Dumb” right? Boom the Dumbest ship, but the sexiest too :)
First I guess. Great video
I love these kinds of lists.
I like mixing legends and canonical stuff because that lets you get all the good stuff while choosing to avoid the bad stuff that you don't like.
Huh, not even notification squad and im first.
Wouldn't that make you part of the notification squad or do i miss understand the notification.
Don't get an ice axe to the head for being first though.
In Soviet Russia, you notify video.
Finally. My second favorite series on this channel is back!
Been waiting for one these "Faction Vs" video.
Love how they were just like "Fighter class. IT BLOWS UP STARS!"
Even Disney was like, "the Omega Frost is just Empire misinformation, because it's just way too dumb to be true."
Interstellar freezing is absurd and makes even less sense than the way Starkiller Base destroys planets.
Not even the Empire could be that stupid.
AHHHHH yes I've been craving for more faction compared
Me: Galactic Alliance can we have a Hammerhead?
Galactic Alliance we have a Hammerhead at home.
Hammerhead at home: 4:46
I’ve never gotten here this early. Great video eck.
Good video Eck. Some talking points.
The Scythe appears to have a similar design philosophy as the Hammerhead Corvette, perhaps the gun tower is remarkable?
The Mandator oddly enough looks mass produced with simple geometry.
The Suncrusher doesn't bother me as much since it's a one-off.
The fancy ships are pretty silly but in context they do what they are created to do. Kind of like a Imperial Worldcraft.
The scythe really only makes sense as an interdiction specialist as a means of catching capitol ships before the reach their destination and being able to focus their whole payload on one target. Even that's a stretch at its current size.
I like that Eckhart interrogated the problem of superweapons and powerlevels. The endless scaling up was a bullet Jarjar Abrams bit, with his star-eating hyperdriven planet and his fleet of def stars. It's also the weakest point of the best star wars game ever released, KotOR, who introduced and immediately doubled down on the single-person superweapons
sun crusher: I am indestructible.
black holes: allow us to introduce ourselves
I've always hated the Sun Crusher's design.
It looks like an ice cream cone built by the Cylons.
I could see fusion of the actual Scythe-class and your version of the Scythe-class with at least an adequate amount of weapons distributed around the entire warship for traditional naval combat, but a super strong forward firing arc for conduction sieges against space stations or planetary targets.
Maybe like the nova cannon-armed apocalypse-class battleship used by the Imperium of Man from 40k (armed with actual weapons in addition to a big limited-traverse siege/bombardment gun)?
@@Saturnus_Ouranos Basically the Star Wars equivalent of that.
The Scythe makes sense in context of doctrine. They’re essentially meant to speed by enemy fleets in formation in one overwhelming attack and inflict massive damage and then having the choice of turning for another pass or hyper spacing away. And it really does have LUDICROUS amounts of firepower for it’s size.
Every time I hear about the sun crusher I can hear Corey sigh and feel his utter disgust towards it, also the fair wind reminds me of treasure planet