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  • @Mitchz95
    @Mitchz95 5 лет назад +880

    Tarkin: Those rebel starfighters are pounding our Star Destroyers. We need a new class of ship to deal with them.
    Officer 1: I have just the thing, sir! The Lancer-class frigate is armed to the teeth with quad-laser cannons that can see off any rebel assault with hardly any damage!
    Tarkin: Hmm... not feeling it. Next?
    Officer 2: The Tector-class Star Destroyer. We take an Imperial-class, strip off its point-defense guns and fighter hangers, and replace them with more turbolasers.
    Tarkin: Brilliant!

    • @VaciliNikoMavich
      @VaciliNikoMavich 5 лет назад +105

      *Heavy breathing when the Tartan Patrol Cruiser wasn't mentioned*

    • @MrAzkhare
      @MrAzkhare 5 лет назад +43

      @@VaciliNikoMavich Well, it was listed as a corvette. Frigates in EaW were the Acclamator and maybe the Victory.

    • @VaciliNikoMavich
      @VaciliNikoMavich 5 лет назад +15

      @@MrAzkhare This is very true...but small packages can be very devastating. =)

    • @MrAzkhare
      @MrAzkhare 5 лет назад +25

      @@VaciliNikoMavich And you'd be completely right! Always loved to grind the little X-wing shits to dust with the Tartans.

    • @FBI-1987
      @FBI-1987 5 лет назад +7

      @@MrAzkhare
      It was......satisfying......

  • @anzaca1
    @anzaca1 5 лет назад +372

    5:55 One of my fav SW quotes is by an Imperial Admiral, about the Nebulon-B:
    "Just once, I'd like to destroy a starship that we didn't pay for!"

  • @Inignot12
    @Inignot12 5 лет назад +179

    "Because I wanted to dunk on the Nebulon B"
    Nothing more Eckhart's Ladder has ever been said before.

  • @Janoha17
    @Janoha17 5 лет назад +224

    The Nebulon B, AKA: "Just once I'd like to blow up a ship we didn't pay for."

    • @jfangm
      @jfangm 5 лет назад +10

      Love that line.

    • @ProblemSolvingIce
      @ProblemSolvingIce 5 лет назад +2

      What's that line from?

    • @jfangm
      @jfangm 5 лет назад +36

      @@ProblemSolvingIce
      It's what an Imperial officer said upon discovering the Rebels had acquired a Nebulon-B frigate. I don't remember the actual source, though.

    • @AdmiralBlackstar
      @AdmiralBlackstar 5 лет назад +18

      @@ProblemSolvingIce Imperial Admiral Hurkk at the Battle of Oovo IV. The only reference of the battle or Hurkk himself come from "The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels"

    • @malusignatius
      @malusignatius 2 года назад +3

      @@AdmiralBlackstar From memory it gets requoted in the Tie Fighter deluxe edition's manual/vessel recognition guide.

  • @evenl.b4409
    @evenl.b4409 5 лет назад +394

    Factions compared is finally back! I’m so happy 😁👍

    • @timbartschwolfman
      @timbartschwolfman 5 лет назад +5

      @Even L.B
      You said it
      Nice picture of Captain Rex 🙂👍

    • @justins7782
      @justins7782 5 лет назад +5

      This is definately my favorite series

    • @theindooroutdoorsman
      @theindooroutdoorsman 5 лет назад +1

      I read that seven times and the first six I saw fractions compared.

    • @evenl.b4409
      @evenl.b4409 5 лет назад +1

      The Indoor Outdoorsman 😂

    • @kasen338
      @kasen338 5 лет назад +1

      Same iv'e missed these!

  • @KoalaTContent
    @KoalaTContent 5 лет назад +94

    7:03 mentions the possibility of the Nebulon being cracked in half, yet for some reason the background didn't show the one scene we actually see this happen in Rouge One.

  • @BoisegangGaming
    @BoisegangGaming 5 лет назад +37

    Nebulon-B Officer: Okay, for this mission, I want two squadrons of fighters.
    Carrier Air Control: ... How?
    Nebulon-B: I don't care, duct tape and good thoughts.

    • @MichaelCorryFilms
      @MichaelCorryFilms 4 месяца назад +1

      The Imperial version had the TIEs lined up on the underside of the central shaft accessed by ventral launch tubes. When the rebels stole them that launch system wasn't compatible with their starfighters. That's why they got converted to either pure gunships or medical frigates. It only makes sense if you look at the original Imperial design.

  • @gokbay3057
    @gokbay3057 5 лет назад +53

    The fact that we see no Imperial Nebulon-Bs while always seeing Rebel ones is pretty ironic. Since it is an imperial design.

  • @pibionb6862
    @pibionb6862 4 года назад +110

    When in 2020 and the Carona frigate is the second scariest carona.

  • @cissuperdroid
    @cissuperdroid 5 лет назад +252

    No CIS representation this time? I'm offended.

    • @osets2117
      @osets2117 5 лет назад +55

      To be fair they didn't really need a frigate with all the different snubfighters

    • @VaciliNikoMavich
      @VaciliNikoMavich 5 лет назад +38

      I agree with Nagle, you had fighter advtanges. Plus you barely had frigates in the CIS. Mostly just cruisers, and light destroyers being the "smallest" reliable capital ships.
      Though the Recusant was amazing.

    • @hjp14
      @hjp14 5 лет назад +4

      I love your Pokemon-style avatar!

    • @cissuperdroid
      @cissuperdroid 5 лет назад +20

      I guess the Munificent-class (yes, it is a frigate) wasn't that competitive in a one-on-one with the others here anyway, but it still holds the classic CIS benefits of small crew requirements and ease of mass-production!

    • @VaciliNikoMavich
      @VaciliNikoMavich 5 лет назад +7

      @@cissuperdroid Well it didn't need much of a crew, due to having a droid brain -same with Recusant. However the brain tended to be overzealous and suicidal.
      Droids can do some things that organics cannot, but...sometimes common sense is REALLY necessary when commanding a starship ^^;

  • @VaciliNikoMavich
    @VaciliNikoMavich 5 лет назад +16

    Eeee, I love the Carrack! ^_^
    To me the ranking is:
    1. Carrack -its speedy, and honestly the ion cannon version is a must. Once the enemy shields are out, blow them to pieces.
    2. Corona because its tankie and strangely fast.
    3. Lancer because it IS an anti fighter ship...though the Tartan Patrol Cruiser will always be the best.
    4. The Nebulon B is a joke and death trap. I would never want to serve on a ship that literally may as well be connected toghether by a bendy straw.

  • @coreymicallef365
    @coreymicallef365 5 лет назад +18

    So in summary, frigates aren't a well defined ship category in Star Wars with nebulous role in combat, therefore:
    - the Lancer class makes for a hell of a corvette
    - the Carack class is a tidy little pocket Star Destoryer except it's the wrong shape
    - the Nebulon B is a hell of a light cruiser (in the sense it does the traditional cruiser job of independent operations)
    - and the Corona class ships are useful combat support ships.

  • @Verbose_Mode
    @Verbose_Mode 5 лет назад +49

    I always thought that Frigates were “specialists,” added to a fleet to give the fleet a particular edge.

  • @cheeseyfarm6036
    @cheeseyfarm6036 4 года назад +96

    breaking: a ship called corona has arrived on earth, and is currently wiping out the world!

  • @seekertwo1
    @seekertwo1 5 лет назад +5

    The Carrack has been my favorite capital ship design. It's a sturdy multi-role vessel that has a long service life in SW history. And one Carrack was enough to hold off the Ssru'vi Fleet for weeks until Rebel reinforcements arrived.

  • @Cosmonaut_Connor
    @Cosmonaut_Connor 5 лет назад +111

    Eck if you were to make a frigate how would it be? Don’t make OP lol..keep the videos coming Chief

    • @robertnelson9599
      @robertnelson9599 5 лет назад +10

      I would assume a ship like the Lancer, stopping starfighters from being a problem for capital ships.

    • @bluerobin2982
      @bluerobin2982 5 лет назад +5

      Fighting corvettes and killing fighters

    • @CS-nq9sq
      @CS-nq9sq 5 лет назад +7

      @@robertnelson9599 Well I think frigates should be multi role, capable of screening and capital assault. Sort of a mix between a corvette and a light destroyer

    • @OrDuneStudios
      @OrDuneStudios 5 лет назад +6

      Military persective.
      Escort vessel specialising in an area. Anti air, anti sub, helicoptor etc.
      Destroyers are usually multi role
      And modern cruiser are just big destroyers

    • @casbot71
      @casbot71 5 лет назад +3

      A modified version of the Lancer with a pair torpedo launchers, one front, one back. It wouldn't take much room or require lasercannons being swapped out, and carrying mixed ordinance could help make it more flexible, thus appealing to the Empire's top brass, _who were fine with ISD's being specialized though…_
      Have anti Starfighter missiles/torpedos to supplement the lasercannons at long distance in case enemy fighters try to take you out with torpedo shots without ever getting into lasercannon range.
      And also have a load of Protons for Corvettes ect that might be a hassle if the ISD is busy slugging it out with other capital ships or the Lancer is caught by itself.
      Of course if the frigate is supposed to operate independently then all bets are off. But if you're going to make a good all-rounder go for a cruiser, it's (generally) larger size gives you more options.

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 5 лет назад +94

    Vs matchup
    Sgt. Johnson(Halo) vs Captain Rex(Star Wars)

    • @luckysix1015
      @luckysix1015 5 лет назад +6

      You can’t do that to Rex man.

    • @40kthrawn30
      @40kthrawn30 5 лет назад +11

      I love them both I think Johnson would kill Rex

    • @happylittletree1727
      @happylittletree1727 5 лет назад +23

      Depends on the weapons and armor. If it was just two sticks and a rock, Johnson wins hands down.

    • @40kthrawn30
      @40kthrawn30 5 лет назад

      Lmao so true

    • @VaciliNikoMavich
      @VaciliNikoMavich 5 лет назад +5

      Johnson would whoop that idiot's butt with his bare hands.

  • @VampireQueen696
    @VampireQueen696 5 лет назад +71

    versus match up
    we could do anakin vs the sahara desert
    Vader vs miami beach
    and my personal favorite Thanos vs Obi Wan and his high ground

    • @localgremlim5688
      @localgremlim5688 5 лет назад +7

      Thanos loses easily

    • @thysquid2157
      @thysquid2157 5 лет назад +7

      Obi Wan would do the galaxy favorite *hand severing*

    • @Koinophobia513
      @Koinophobia513 5 лет назад +1

      Now imagine seeing a grown man in the distance with a lightsaber toy slashing violently at the sand
      How do you respond

    • @VampireQueen696
      @VampireQueen696 5 лет назад +1

      @@Koinophobia513 you know aside from calling the police? I'd respond by slowly backing away

  • @jameskandosii240
    @jameskandosii240 5 лет назад +5

    I think it’s very important to remember the necessity of frigates, which greatly influences its role. Take the star destroyer for example, what does it need to work better? More fighters, more turbolasers, more anti start fighter power or more anti capital ship power.
    One SD class 2 wouldn’t need any of these things. They functioned very independently with the exception of needing more ships to cover more ground in planetary subjugation. So frigates would more heavily need the ability to stop fast ships leaving orbit. This fits the lancer.
    In major battles the carrack is absolutely the most dangerous dagger an admiral can carry as long as he has an equal star fighter capability to the enemy. It is said that even a few carracks could destroy a capital ship. Of course not in a situation with out any support but having the ability to take one ship 1/10 the size, and 33% of a capital ship and send it in to support a capital ship, can easily make winning flanks and decisive victory over flag ships possible without having to commit another capital ship.
    Thoughts?

    • @luodaniel8576
      @luodaniel8576 Год назад +1

      I do agree with all your points except with the one with lancer: IMO it is extremely slow as a frigate and in EaW it can't even catch up with an Imperial-class, so it would probably act better when guarding capital ships instead of acting as a blockade enforcer.
      When capital ships are on the assault, though, its speed makes the Lancer a hindrance unless the commander can be absolutely sure that the battlespace is clear of fighters, else a few squadrons of bombers can easily deal disproportionate damage to isolated capital ships.

  • @bowlingpin3092
    @bowlingpin3092 5 лет назад +56

    Idea: Which faction had the best pilot. Empire tie pilot, X rebel pilot, Republic clone Pliot and Etheir the Separatists' droid brain or The OOM pliot battle droid.

    • @bowlingpin3092
      @bowlingpin3092 5 лет назад +5

      @@rdowdy22 But so did the Republic in a way.

    • @tanith117
      @tanith117 5 лет назад +11

      @@rdowdy22 And a good chunk of those pilots defected.
      Also "trained" seems a bit generous for some of the tie Pilots Ive seen.

    • @xX4ttttXx
      @xX4ttttXx 5 лет назад +13

      @@tanith117 the TIE pilots were actually highly trained and were sociopathic, unemotional killers. Their downfall was being shoved into the tin can called a TIE. (God forbid they're put into bombers)

    • @Duchess_Van_Hoof
      @Duchess_Van_Hoof 5 лет назад +1

      I second this suggestion, it would be neat.

    • @bartoszwegrzycki8011
      @bartoszwegrzycki8011 5 лет назад +2

      CIS Because... Buzz Droids Are On Their Side

  • @ghost_archer
    @ghost_archer 4 года назад +12

    1:21 bad time to have something called Corona

  • @starklar1986
    @starklar1986 5 лет назад +11

    Eck: says “laser cannons”
    George Lucas: ur hired

  • @Chris11231
    @Chris11231 5 лет назад +5

    Can we all just look at the fact that this was basically Imperial Anti-Fighter Frigate v. Imperial Anti-Capital Frigate v. Imperial Mixed Frigate v. New Republic Frigate

  • @Cosmonauticus0982
    @Cosmonauticus0982 5 лет назад +3

    I think your rankings are spot on. Though I like a well-rounded ship I would say the Lancer is my top frigate, it just works really well in its role within a battle group. The Carrack is awesome but if operating on it's own as the Empire tended to use them it would be challenging for it to slug it out with a capital ship it's supposed to hunt. Now if it was ambushing its capital ship prey that would be a different story.

  • @wordwyrd
    @wordwyrd 5 лет назад +11

    I always presumed the Carrack would carry sensor ships on it's rack to augment it's targeting.. ships like the TIE/RC, TIE Vanguard, etc.

  • @griffynkennedy1293
    @griffynkennedy1293 5 лет назад +5

    I love the corona and other new republic vessels, especially the Viscount!
    Also, no one ever remembers that the Nebulon-B was an imperial design, stolen by the rebels, so thanks for that!

  • @a-blivvy-yus
    @a-blivvy-yus 5 лет назад +5

    The moment the Lancer was mentioned, I knew it would be taking the top spot. In terms of *TECH* the Corona is the "better" ship, but it's a super-advanced all-purpose thing, which isn't really suitable for the typical frigate role. With older designs, the Nebulon-B was a generalist, but that's a big part of why it was a bad frigate in its era. It lacks a specific role it can fill, and the Corona, while advanced enough to get away with doing so, makes the same mistake. The Carrack is a dedicated fire support ship for combatting capital ships. Backing up a larger capital ship, it can act as a force multiplier, notably improving the damage output against the enemy fleet. But the Lancer allows the capital ships to just focus everything onto enemy capitals while it handles anti-fighter duty. It can be used in place of large squadrons of superiority fighters, allowing for larger bomber swarms backed up by small numbers of fighter escorts, and the Lancer can do the rest. That makes it synergise better with typical Imperial doctrine by providing a powerful counterpoint to their usual strategy.

  • @ElricWilliam
    @ElricWilliam 5 лет назад +1

    As a game designer thank you.
    As a star wars nerd myself.....thank you

  • @Jacob-qz9fo
    @Jacob-qz9fo 4 года назад +2

    Every time he says "frigit" take a shot....
    No? Aww frigit

  • @darthcarnage12
    @darthcarnage12 Год назад +1

    I absolutely love the Carrack. In addition to what was said, it’s localized life support systems meant great survivability for the crew (even if the ship is incapacitated, there’s a good chance most of the crew would survive) and there was so much automation that even though a standard crew was over 1000 people, it could be operated by as few as two. Also, even if it’s anti star fighter configuration was more rare, it could be easily configured for that need (each one of those weapons emplacements was modular, so you could outfit it to your specific wants and needs). Between the additional fire power and its greater sublight speed (able to match the speed of X-Wings) I actually think it’s better than the Lancer against starfighters if it’s under that configuration. So, ya, Carrack all the way for me.

    • @NoThumb1237
      @NoThumb1237 10 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed, the anti-starfighter was more common than Ecks says, but I would imagine this version was more commonly found as an escort in fleet engagements. These anti-starfighter emplacements seem to be decently deadly, as they are described as flak lasers and have the ability to target incoming munitions. Though I would imagine the Lancer's quad arrays have the same abilities as well as better targeting. But this is no slap against the Carrack, as the lancer was incredibly advanced as an anti-starfighter barge.
      The Carrack with ion cannons was probably used more in patrol or small task forces. As Wedge described, a Lancer and a Carrack together. This Carrack was most likely the ion cannon version, as this way, they both complemented each other perfectly.
      But yeah, the anti-starfighter Carrack is my go-to imperial escort. Still deadly against starfighters, can bully enemy corvettes and light frigates, can take a decent amount of damage, and most importantly, is fast and maneuverable enough to react to enemy starfighter/corvette movements.

  • @boxxwx
    @boxxwx 5 лет назад +14

    Do A series Where people send you custom battles, then you talk about it How you could win, (Both sides) ,etc .

  • @highadmiraljt5853
    @highadmiraljt5853 5 лет назад +6

    The lancer could have had external racks to give it bombers, and have had torpedo launchers and maybe a ion cannon
    The nebula could have had better armor, a sleeker design, and maybe not have a long neck ( all of them fixed by the Corona class)
    The carrack could have had at least 2 laser cannon to take out star fighters
    The corona could have had more turbolasers and stronger shields, especially due to it falling short compared to the other new republic ships.
    Great video, as always.
    edit: spelling

  • @VampireQueen696
    @VampireQueen696 5 лет назад +16

    I prefer the Interdictor Sith Dreadnought
    It's a Sith Interdictor ship! They must've been waiting for us in the hyperspace route. We're caught in their tractor beam.
    Carth Onasi upon seeing a sith interdictor

    • @Isvoshra
      @Isvoshra 3 года назад

      That ship is used in Darth Revan & Darth Malak's fleet right?

    • @VampireQueen696
      @VampireQueen696 3 года назад

      @@Isvoshra yes

    • @VampireQueen696
      @VampireQueen696 3 года назад

      My favorite ship tbh

    • @Isvoshra
      @Isvoshra 3 года назад

      @@VampireQueen696 its devastating firepower that destroyed Taris convinced me that this ship is the the perfect broadside brawler

  • @chrispilkington8662
    @chrispilkington8662 5 лет назад +4

    Sensible the only point I would make is that the lancer is only #1 due to the empires doctrine meaning it was a needed slot and filled it. In a more rounded force the Corona is good at anti-starfighter which is less needed without the TIE swarm docterine leading to screening issues but is able to provide fleet backup in ways the hyper-specialised Lancer would be unable to

    • @LazyTestudines
      @LazyTestudines 5 лет назад

      You make a fair point, but even if you stick the lancer within the republic navy (Has better starfighter doctrine and fights against enemy with star fighters).
      I still feel like having a lancer helps quickly gain fighter superiority allowing for bomber stikes earlier in a battle.
      What ever dmg a Corona class could do, I feel like a bomber squad could do more.
      It's why I don't rate the carrick cruiser as highly as Eck. Starfighters and capital ships pack more of a punch that a frigate ever could, the best thing a frigate can do is protect these assets.

    • @aralornwolf3140
      @aralornwolf3140 5 лет назад +1

      @@LazyTestudines ,
      Correct... I can see how a frigate armed with Ion Cannons can work.. in the Anti-Piracy/Anti-Smuggling Patrol role... but in a fleet action... it would be torn apart. :/

    • @LazyTestudines
      @LazyTestudines 5 лет назад

      @@aralornwolf3140 The issue with using something like the Carrick in an anti pirate role is it's lack of on board starfighters. Because of this, it lacks the ability to chase down more than one target and there is a reason we put an S to pirates. They move in herds.

  • @joelbibeault1169
    @joelbibeault1169 2 года назад +1

    The Carrack would wipe the other 3 in a straight fight. The Carracks anti fighter option was more rare simply because the Republic faced more high tonnage warships but also had a superior starfighter corps. This is why something as small as the C-70 had primarily anit capital weapons. When the bulk of the enemy fleet is Munificents that can one shot a Lancer, it requires heavier ships, even the smaller ones

  • @HotCheetos1995
    @HotCheetos1995 5 лет назад

    This is probably the earliest I have ever been. Love these faction compared videos.

  • @unkindlyrook367
    @unkindlyrook367 5 лет назад +7

    Eck what about a "Destroyer" Show down. Republic can have the Victory-1, CIS can have the Recusant-class light destroyer, the Empire has the Interdictor Combat Refit, and Finally the Alliance has the MC40a Light Cruiser. By Destroyer I mean its the role of supporting the Fleet in this case destroying Capital or Escort Vessels that get to close to the fleet. (Interdictor is because its newer to lore and the Combat Refit to make it competitive in the match)

  • @jfangm
    @jfangm 5 лет назад +2

    Pair a couple Lancers with a Carrack, and toss in some Xg-1s, either using their hyperdrives or piggybacking on the three capital ships, and you'd have quite the formidable strike force.

  • @nicholasavasthi9879
    @nicholasavasthi9879 4 года назад +3

    In my opinion the Lancer’s a bit over specialized. The lack of turbolasers would have made it extremely vulnerable to corvettes like the CR-90, which could seriously threaten one without being threatened in return.

  • @centermassgamer323
    @centermassgamer323 5 лет назад +2

    I agree with everything you said. But you forgot something very important about the Carrack that I believe pushes it to the #1 spot, that is its speed. The carrack has an MGLT of 80. Compare that to the lancers 20, the Nebulon B’s 40. I could not find any information as to the speed of the Corona, but given it is better then the nebulon b in every other metric I would say it has to be more then 40, and since the new republic liked fast ships I would guesstimate it would be much faster. But I don’t see it being over 60 (if it was, it would definitely be mentioned as that is very fast.) A t65 xwing had a MGLT of 100, however its atmospheric speed is 1,050 kph. The exact same as a Carrack. This shows how extremely fast the carrack was for its size. I believe that this speed, coupled with its durability and exceptional armament ranks it as #1.

  • @Eleolius
    @Eleolius 5 лет назад +2

    The Carrack was committing suicide in capital ship engagements. Mostly it existed to bully up-gunned corvettes and to scare away pirates and raiders. In the lore, they tended to get wrecked by Victories and concentrated snubcraft runs.

    • @adambielen8996
      @adambielen8996 5 лет назад

      They were probably meant to engage corvettes and other frigates. Or you could use them in an Ackbar slash where you shielded them with a Cruiser and had them dart out to attack a Capital ship's stern.

  • @majgijoe
    @majgijoe 5 лет назад +1

    Oh the Nebulon Bs do have a noticeable hangar. Trust me, I flown out of a few on my fair share of missions as a Tie pilot.

  • @ALittleMessi
    @ALittleMessi 5 лет назад +1

    Did you post a poll, write the script, record edit and post this in 6 hours? Amazing

  • @harrybenton277
    @harrybenton277 5 лет назад

    Eck, I Love love love all or your videos and the insight into the Star Wars universe, but gol-darnit I’ve missed your comparison videos, thanks for bringing them back!

  • @andyb1653
    @andyb1653 5 лет назад +2

    The Lancer was probably the best at its job/role, but the Nebulon-B is my favourite design (and one of my favourite sci-fi ship designs, full stop).

  • @CHEF-55457
    @CHEF-55457 5 лет назад +1

    I love the Nebulon B's design... If you made the Nebulon B into the size of the UNSC Infinity, you could see some awesome uses for that narrow section in the middle, like dropping escape pods with troops (ODST) into a combat zone, bombs like the archer missiles, or carrying small corvettes and starfighter...

  • @prestonroberts5283
    @prestonroberts5283 5 лет назад +2

    I always had multiple Lancers in every fleet playing Star Wars: Rebellion as the Empire; awesome ship.

  • @Dennis-vh8tz
    @Dennis-vh8tz 5 лет назад +1

    I'm partial to the anti-starfighter variant of the Carrack. It has the same number of anti-starfighter batteries as the Lancer, thought they're lighter (single versus quad), plus enough turbolasers to defend itself from other Frigates, and enough armour and shielding to survive a heavy hit or two if used to protect dueling Star Destroyers from enemy Starfighters.
    Also, according to some Legends sources, the Carrack could carry 5 TIE fighters on external racks.

  • @Exodianecross1978
    @Exodianecross1978 5 лет назад +1

    I would say that the most interesting Nebulon-Bs were neither on the side of the Rebels or the Empire, the FREE LANCE and the FAR ORBIT! Both were privateer vessels, some would say pirate vessels, but they are the most prominent ones and as far as I can say both were very efficent!

  • @alexnieman5491
    @alexnieman5491 5 лет назад

    Well done, thanks for always being a great educator

  • @basteala525
    @basteala525 5 лет назад

    I agree with the logic here. In the end, the frigate is a picket ship--meant to keep your big vessels safe from long ranged missile salvos or fighter squadrons. Something brimming with point defense is a good way to go about doing that.
    It's funny because outside of certain situations it might be the weakest ship on its own, but a vessel of this type is meant to ber serving a larger whole.

  • @michaelwaters4648
    @michaelwaters4648 4 года назад +2

    “Corona class frigate” uses nebulon c model for thumbnail

  • @samspeed6271
    @samspeed6271 5 лет назад +1

    Great video, very interesting.
    The Lancer is a brilliant ship. Best anti fighter platform in Empire at War.
    A frigate, by Star Wars conventional wisdom, is an anti fighter platform that's a bit larger and more powerful than a corvette. This rules out the Carrack, as its only got turbolasers.

    • @russellharrell2747
      @russellharrell2747 5 лет назад

      Sam Speed the carrack is usually referred to as a light cruiser, not a frigate. Eck is just calling it as such because of his definition of frigate as a support ship be it antistarfighter, anti capital ship, small carrier, etc

  • @MrApplemat
    @MrApplemat 5 лет назад +1

    Think the Lancer could have done with either a few ion cannons or concussion missiles for either self defense or for dealing with larger ships.

  • @dreamingflurry2729
    @dreamingflurry2729 5 лет назад +1

    I do love the Carrack :) - Why because I am a Thrawn-Doctrine (Thrawn liked using smaller ships, he didn't even use an SSD as his flagship, despite the fact that the Empire had some left! He used a regular ISD and might have used a smaller ship if it had the same command and control facilities as the Chimera!)

  • @RovalisGTO
    @RovalisGTO 5 лет назад

    Awesome video, loving your channel and wish I had found it years ago!
    Something I would have liked to hear your thoughts on is expanding on not just the design-role of the ships, but also their role in the fleets they were operating in. I think Carracks, for example, were amazing ships with proven effectiveness but just weren’t often fielded optimally within their fleet compositions given the emphasis on star cruisers and later destroyers. All that said though I don’t think it would have changed the outcome of the list.

  • @lexington476
    @lexington476 5 лет назад +1

    4:26 couldn't ion cannons be used in an anti starfighter role effectively? Or were they still capital scale weapons?

  • @moznayim
    @moznayim 5 лет назад +1

    I would like to see someone try a Legend of Galactic Heroes type of story in a movie with Star Wars. Well, that's basically Thrawn: the Movie, but there's too much depth in the starships that writers could use but never seem to go beyond Star Destroyers and Mon Cals.
    Seems like the hardest thing for many writers to create and directors to visualize is good military strategy.

  • @100dfrost
    @100dfrost 5 лет назад

    The Lancer is probably the best although I like the Carrack. My favorite straddles the line between corvette and frigate, I like the Vigil. It is capable of independent operation, although probably not as good in a support oriented starship battle. It (the Vigil) just seems like the "Hero Ship" that comes from around the planet and hits the One Sith second wave in the stern at Taivis and disrupts their sneak attack alone. Then either gets
    destroyed in a counter attack (most likely), although most of the crew escape, or it could punch its way through the Sith line and although battered, make its escape (not very likely, but good drama). Excellent video, really enjoyed this one obviously. Thanks.

  • @astray683
    @astray683 5 лет назад

    You have probably heard this one before, but considering the sci-fi universes you like, I would recommend looking into the universal century timeline of mobile suit Gundam. While it is a fair bit more fiction than science compared to your usual fare, I still think it is an extremely engaging series with super interesting weapons and factions. Love the vids, keep it up! :)

  • @cuddlebuff
    @cuddlebuff 5 лет назад +1

    "I also felt like dunking on the Nebulon B"
    *hits like*

  • @frenzystitch4664
    @frenzystitch4664 5 лет назад +2

    Yes! It’s finally back!!! Plz more

  • @kleppstad329
    @kleppstad329 4 года назад +3

    What about the Sachen class light escort from the new republic. It had 10 heavy turbolasers 8 ion canons and 8 Laser canons I think it is better than the corona

    • @kjhuang
      @kjhuang 4 года назад +1

      I would've gone with the Sacheen for the New Republic since it's also multirole but it's not so similar to the Nebulon-B.

  • @phoenix55755
    @phoenix55755 5 лет назад +2

    I always thought a lancer and carrack would make a good pairing. Throw 2 of each in with a carrier, such as a quasar fire class, and have a decent little task force.

    • @VegetaLF7
      @VegetaLF7 5 лет назад +2

      Hell, there is literally the Imperial Escort Carrier in the X-Wing games that is perfect for this little picket fleet scenario. The Lancers to counter Rebel fighters, the Escort Carrier to deploy fighters of their own to protect them, and the Carrack to dish out the damage to the Rebel ships.

    • @phoenix55755
      @phoenix55755 5 лет назад

      I never got too far in the xwing games. I wish I had, a friend had them and I loved them.

  • @maxblake5564
    @maxblake5564 2 года назад +1

    I prefer well-rounded ship for just about any class of ship. The “frigate” for the Taranajans (my own Fanon race) is a well-rounded ship. I put “frigate” in quotes because it is closer in size to an ISD, but serves the role of a frigate because the Taranajans’ Dragonfang-class Star Destroyer is a true behemoth, longer than an Executor and armed to the teeth. It can even channel Dark-Side energy to generate an energetic pulse that is so powerful, six or seven can destroy a medium-sized planet.

  • @JohnnyReb272
    @JohnnyReb272 5 лет назад +1

    The only Nebulon-B frigates that were seen up-close on the big screen were the Medical variants (Redemption and Salvation). Their hangars were removed to make room for expanded medical facilities.
    The Carrack is my number 1. You forgot to mention how fast it is. Any threat that a Carrack cannot outgun, it can easily outrun. Then again I think like a pirate, not a naval officer.

    • @Jfk2Mr
      @Jfk2Mr 5 лет назад +1

      I think that naval officers will agree with your point

  • @immanuel_shadowhammonds2813
    @immanuel_shadowhammonds2813 4 года назад +2

    I know that this defeats the purpose of Frigates, but I generally like Frigates that has Hangers that can hold Fighters if need be. So My Frigates could be used in a "Support Carrier" role.

  • @Duchess_Van_Hoof
    @Duchess_Van_Hoof 5 лет назад

    Yay, faction compare and frigates this time? Lovely.

  • @matthalo871
    @matthalo871 5 лет назад +5

    I think both the carrack-class frigate and lancer-class are really missed placed and Imperial fleets they could have been game changing if used right.

    • @screamingcactus1753
      @screamingcactus1753 5 лет назад +1

      That's merely a symptom of the much larger folly of the Empire: they didn't take the Rebels seriously. To them, it wasn't a war, it was a policing action to quell dissidents. They underestimated the Rebels, and thought they could break them psychologically with the biggest and most imposing war machines they could field. The Empire's doctrine, and by extension, its equipment, was designed to keep the galaxy peaceful through fear, not fight a war.

    • @matthalo871
      @matthalo871 5 лет назад

      @@screamingcactus1753 they set a trap using a super weapon that seems pretty serious.

    • @VegetaLF7
      @VegetaLF7 5 лет назад +2

      That's what made that particular scenario so deadly. A Lancer and Carrack together is a highly lethal combination. The Lancer can wipe the floor with Rebel/New Republic fighters while the Carrack dishes out the damage to the enemy capital ships. Throw in an Escort Carrier to get some Imperial fighter squadrons in the mix and you have basically the trifecta of super focused Imperial designs working in tandem with each other and not a one being a Star Destroyer of any kind.

  • @russellharrell2747
    @russellharrell2747 5 лет назад

    A task force of a carrack, Lancer and Nebby will give you a great well rounded capability with the carrack being able to punch hard with capital ships, the lancer to screen fighters and bombers, and the nebby for support with both roles plus bringing starfighters or bombers into battle thanks to its theoretical squadrons docked along the spine of the ship.

  • @carrierominger5534
    @carrierominger5534 5 лет назад +4

    United Mass Effect galaxy + the Reapers vs a Yuzhan Vong invasion

  • @markluckins
    @markluckins 5 лет назад

    A lancer screen supporting a few quasars could quite effectively fill a quick response fleet roll, could even be improved with the use of imperial gunboats (X-G1s i think) and/or Tie defenders. fast deployment and fast retreat.

  • @fightingfalcon777
    @fightingfalcon777 5 лет назад

    Generally speaking, Eck, I would agree with you. I, personally, would probably rank the Corona above the Lancer simply because I feel a frigate should kind of be that in-between/transition of smaller ships like the corvettes and gunships and larger ships like destroyers and cruisers, so having something a little more well-rounded, that can adapt to the situation and put its focus wherever the mission requires more emphasis (too many enemy fighters - have it support the corvettes; too many enemy capital ships - have it support the main line ships) is the better fit for a frigate. Nonetheless, I definitely see why you put the Lancer ahead

  • @pogwog5309
    @pogwog5309 4 года назад +1

    I prefer a well rounded ship to a specialized one, so I have to say Corona, Nebulon b, Lancer, Carak
    I don't have anything against the Carak, just that its a cruiser killer on a suport ship's frame

  • @heathermarcoux294
    @heathermarcoux294 5 лет назад +3

    I don't think frigates should really be considered capital ships. Perhaps they could be capital ships in a task force composed mostly of fighters and corvettes but not as part of any serious fleet.

    • @Jeikobu
      @Jeikobu 5 лет назад

      Agreed, while I think the lancer is a wonderful ship, I think it kinda takes the roll that I imagine corvettes taking.

    • @Dennis-vh8tz
      @Dennis-vh8tz 5 лет назад

      Taking the real world meaning of "capital ship", only Star Destroyers, the MC80+ cruisers, and larger would qualify. Frigates and Corvettes would be escorts. Cruisers would be their own category, sometimes supporting capital ships, but often operating alone or in small squadrons patrolling and raiding remote areas.

    • @heathermarcoux294
      @heathermarcoux294 5 лет назад

      @@Dennis-vh8tz That depends on the fleet mostly. Frigates could potentially be capital ships but not for the purposes of general discussion.

    • @Jeikobu
      @Jeikobu 5 лет назад

      @@Dennis-vh8tz exactly

  • @mittensfastpaw
    @mittensfastpaw 5 лет назад

    Kinda thought you'd go with that for number one and it does make sense. It does its job well.

  • @hannibalscipio10
    @hannibalscipio10 2 месяца назад

    Nice! The Lancers always did feel scary in the books.

  • @apolloknight9521
    @apolloknight9521 5 лет назад +1

    Munificent-Frigate known can be a heavy cruiser? Hm... the name “Munificent-Cruiser” or “Munificent-Heavy Cruiser” does sound catchy!

  • @Lampredi4
    @Lampredi4 5 лет назад +1

    Hey Eck! I would love to see you cover the Aggressor class star destroyer that the Zann Consortium used. They are kinda like the supremacy from the Last Jedi in that they are weaker at their broadside and stronger from the front. I’d love to hear what you have to say about it!!

  • @CommissarTommy22
    @CommissarTommy22 5 лет назад

    I would love to serve on a Lancer Frigate, not only are you safe from the deadliest aspect of the Rebel navy but the admiralty think your ship is useless so you get the easy tours

  • @SloppyMcFloppy1029
    @SloppyMcFloppy1029 5 лет назад

    I loved this vid, because the ships were all actually really good, and because star wars corvettes and frigates are almost always gorgeous

  • @kevinnorwood8782
    @kevinnorwood8782 5 лет назад +1

    If you haven't done them already, I hope you'll do Cruiser Class and Heavy Cruiser Class soon!

  • @LoneWolf20213
    @LoneWolf20213 5 лет назад +1

    to be honest, I love to have flexible, and tactical ship's, so having a mix of anti-capital ship and anti starfighter weapon's in a good mix, but also have some starfighter's carried into it, with multiple role's like medical or transport

  • @YakobeTheDerpy
    @YakobeTheDerpy 5 лет назад +1

    Nice little video Eck! I am a bit confused though... I might not be the most knowledgeable Star Wars fan, but isn't that a Nebulon-C in the 4th square of the thumbnail?

    • @EckhartsLadder
      @EckhartsLadder  5 лет назад

      Yes because there are no good pictures of the Corona

  • @RKNGL
    @RKNGL 5 лет назад +1

    I would say the CIS Munificent class isn't a Frigate in a build sense. But the CIS definitely uses it in a Frigate's role.

    • @Galvars
      @Galvars 5 лет назад

      It's a Star Frigate. Just like a Star Destroyer is a destroyer.

  • @moonlight39echo
    @moonlight39echo 5 лет назад

    Great job, will say I missed Factions videos.
    Personally when it comes ship classification I love the game EVE Online's ranking. Each class has its specalization, but they all fall under this ranking.
    Corvette, Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, Battlecruiser, Battleship, Dreadnaught, Carrier, Titan; these are the main teirs. Other classes like Heavy Assault Cruiser (higher dps/tank cruiser), Black Ops Battleship (cloak capable), or Interdicotors (warp-negating destroyers) are treated as sub-classes.

  • @RaggedClawsSilentSea
    @RaggedClawsSilentSea 4 года назад +3

    "corona frigate"
    uh oh p a s t a v o w e l

  • @adrastos8401
    @adrastos8401 5 лет назад

    My favorite frigate is only technically a frigate as it come in at 394 meters, but it is the liberator class light cruiser. For anti-capship it carries 24 heavy turbolasers and 20 ion cannons, for anti-starfighter it has a hangar bay capable of carrying a staggering 72 fighters, coupled with shields that matched or exceeded those of a Mon Calamari vessel of equal size and you get the best frigate in Star Wars

  • @seankim2916
    @seankim2916 4 года назад +7

    The corona is back

  • @lordgong4980
    @lordgong4980 5 лет назад

    The Nebulon B was the backbone to the Alliance fleet.
    The ship made for any role you need.

  • @samiamrg7
    @samiamrg7 5 лет назад

    Whenever I here “frigate” I always have flashbacks to Jedi Starfighter and those damn “missile frigates” that would fire so many seeking missiles. Those ships were pretty small, like, corvette size iirc. I believe real frigates tended to be on the small side too.

  • @timbartschwolfman
    @timbartschwolfman 5 лет назад

    Factions Compared is back and better than ever

  • @connorhofstee9006
    @connorhofstee9006 5 лет назад +1

    Eck u should do armored vehicles faction compared

  • @localgremlim5688
    @localgremlim5688 5 лет назад +1

    Battle of Cardassia breakdown would be nice

  • @aggravatedackbar1183
    @aggravatedackbar1183 5 лет назад

    My prayers have been answered. It’s back!

  • @Jedi_Spartan
    @Jedi_Spartan 5 лет назад +1

    How about Sci-fi versus of Force Sensitives (Star Wars) vs Mutants (Marvel) vs other super powered beings from Sci-fi? The reason I chose Mutants over something like the Avengers is because, due to being a species, they all have similar traits and you wouldn't need to go as specific with the Avengers where each of their members gained powers through different ways eg: Iron Man has no powers when outside his armours, Hawkeye and Black Widow are normal humans with lots of training, Thor is naturally more powerful than the others due to being an alien, Captain America is basically a 1940s Spartan-II, Hulk is the only one with true powers in the original team, etc.

  • @VegetaLF7
    @VegetaLF7 5 лет назад

    The Nebulon-B operating as a carrier is one of the weird changes as a result of the classic X-Wing games. In them the ship was equipped with a single hangar bay on the starboard side of the bow section, opposite and slightly forward of the window we see Luke and company on the Redemption. Sometimes the Nebulon-B had them, sometimes they didn't.

  • @Phddrsparklz
    @Phddrsparklz 9 месяцев назад

    My favorite was actually the Pirate Interceptor Frigate.
    It was in the starwars pc game Empire At War.
    It wasn't the best but it was hard to get ahold of and that's why I liked it.
    It's unique.

  • @logank3381
    @logank3381 5 лет назад

    these videos are what i subscribed for

  • @stcredzero
    @stcredzero 5 лет назад

    My theory about the Nebulon B, is that it's the literal backbone of a modular weapons system. That's why the shell seems incomplete, and there's that skinny, vulnerable spine. They're supposed to have other modules in front of and behind the "chin" and around the spine. The reason why the rebels could get hold of the Nebulon B, is that they were obsolete military vessels, which were de-militarized then sold to the public. Being modular, the Empire de-militarized them by simply scrapping the modules. However, they retained military grade power, drive, and shield systems, so they were easy for the Rebels to re-militarize. However, since the modules were no longer around, they couldn't be replaced. This is why their shape is so weird and strangely vulnerable. (I could totally imagine such modules making the Nebulon B kinda close in appearance and function to the Lancer frigate, just with a more prominent chin.)