I've noticed that in the show the less "lannister-like" the lannisters become their hair becomes darker like Jaime and Tyrion where as Cersei's has stayed the same due to her not losing her lannister character traits, what do you guys think?
There is no denying it, Tywin Lannister is the greatest player of the game of thrones with the perfect combination of both honor and cruelty that conversation with Aarya in season 3 proved it.
Compared to Littlefinger or the Spider, though... Tywin failed to recognize Daenerys as a growing threat. He gave Baelish more power than he should ever have when he made him Lord of Harrenhal and sent him to court Lysa Arryn, and he never got a glimpse of Varys's true plan (restoring the Targaryen dynasty by causing the Lannisters' fall). If he had been such a great player, he would've realized that, even if his cruelty was very useful against his enemies, his modus operandi was building an unhealthy dependence in his own family, a family which would surely crumble with his absence.
Also, his demeanor with his progenies ensured that not one of his own children would be able to rule House Lannister in his name: Jamie became both afraid and unfit for ruling, Cersei became a power-hungry bitch with an inferiority complex and Tyrion never got the respect he should have despite being a good ruler.
Completely agree with Zenene here. Tywinn was a magnificent player, and a perfect combination of military and political prowess, but he isn't a full package. I'd say he embodies the futility of puritanism. His work with family, politics and war, was all rooted in his self imposed dogma, that ended up blinding him in the face of all the threats and scandals mentioned above, and ultimately led to his downfall. It's also pretty important to note that his whole character was a self made one, based on his hatred towards his own father. There never was a tried-and-tested "Lannister nationalism" (understood here as a chauvanistic pride in his family and in - at the very least - Casterly Rock). It was all something that he made up, and built up as a natural truth, but which ended up kicking a lot of problems down the road (nothing but power-by-proximity, severely damaged kids, no loyalty based alliances, damaging infamy), and being far too rigid in the face political turmoil (which isn't that uncommon in Westeros - he basically kickstarted their powertrip 30 years prior to the series *in the midst of political turmoil.)* Actually, now that I think about it, Tywin is a pretty great allegory for fascism: Set up a brand new and untested counter-ideology to whatever came before, put a *BIG STRONG MAN* in charge, turn up your ambitions to make-or-break level, and keep moving forward with no regards to long term consequences. It's a crude simplification, but that's more or less what Tywin was doing, right up until one of those damaged kids ( /disenfranchised political associate) came back and revenge-murdered him on the shitter. The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced Tywin was actually really fucking bad at the Game of Thrones. In the end, he was just really good at projecting power, wealth and control, and was doing pretty well in his borrowed time.
A great read that pushes back against the notion that Tywin was all ruthless pragmatism -- this was just a mask to hide a vengeful, petty spirit (not just towards Tyrion, but others as well, such as the Martells): warsandpoliticsoficeandfire.wordpress.com/2014/09/04/the-lions-fury-tywin-lannister-and-the-psychology-of-brutality/
I disagree with the idea that Tyrion is the most un-Lannister-like member of the house. Maybe appearance-wise, but his intelligence, ruthlessness and resourcefulness point directly to his father Tywin. The show may project him as a wronged good guy, which he is, but it doesn't delve into the dark thoughts that fill his minds regarding those he sees as his enemies, mostly Tywin and Cersei - something which is repeatedly driven home to the reader in the books. Had he not been born a dwarf he probably would've continued as Tywin's heir not only in name, but also in spirit.
Also atleast in the books, he has a strong desire to be like his father and make him proud, so he is really shaped by wanting to emulate and impress Tywin as well
@@url4345 even in the show. After Tywin named him king's hand and called him "his son" (which was another manipulation because he needed him in King's Landing while he was at war against Robb) I think Tyrion really believed he had another chance to please her father, so he did everything he could to protect his family. But then in season 3, despite his major role in the victory, he was dismissed and confined in a small room. He still tried to convince Tywin to make him his legitimate heir (since Jaime was not able to be, being a member of the King's guard) but Tywin once again revealed his true feelings and humiliated him, proving that he lied to him in season 1 just to convince him to do the dirty work. This is when Tyrion definitely abandoned any hope to be a real Lannister.
You know at one point in the books, Tywin's sister Genna Lannister claimed to him that out of his three offspring, Tyrion resembles him the most by intelligence, resourcefulness, spirit, and ruthlessness. Tywin was so mad about that claim that he refused to speak to his sister for what she said.
The Lion is actually a wholly fitting symbol for the Lannisters, when you know the true nature of lions. They're vicious, brutal animals, stealing kills from smaller predators, killing smaller predators to eliminate competition, striking in the night, males even slaughtering existing cubs when they take over a pride in order to bring the females into estrus. Males will drive off their own sons once they become sexually active, not unlike Tywin's contempt for Tyrion's whoremongering. Lions use overwhelming violence and fear to stay on top, like how Tywin uses the Mountain's savage cruelty and violence to eliminate enemies. Lions will often go out of their way to eliminate the young of hyenas and other predators, like how the Lannisters go after King Robert's bastard kids and the Stark children.
another interesting comparison is that many across the whole world believe Lions are the king of the jungle when in truth there are far more animals and animal packs that can outperform lions at both strength and effenciency, similarly to how tywin is seen as the most untouchable man with the strongest convictions and brutality when in truth he couldn't even overcome a petty hate for his own child who wasn't even responsible nor deserving of that hate
Of all three children, Jaime is the one who is least a Lannister. He literally refused to do his duty to have heirs and chose to join the Kingsguard out of loyalty and love to Cersei, not to his house. His sense of honor made him kill Aerys despite how awkward that made him and House Lannister look. He armed Brienne and told her to rescue Sansa when it would have been better for House Lannister to have her captured. Jaime Lannister was loyal to his morals and to those he loved (Tyrion, Brienne and Cersei). That was all. Fuck glory, gold, and reputation. Ironically, if it wasn't for his incest, facade and blatant dishonesty about himself he'd probably be closer to being a Stark than a Lannister.
Jaime did not choose to join the kingsguard off his own wish... Aerys apointed him to piss off tywin... Jaime only accepted because cercei convinced him so they could be close at KL... and let's not forget the little detail of getting shorted a head if he didn't accept..
They're also descended from Lann the Clever, who tricked the Casterlys out of the Rock. They're descended from a clever manipulator as the Starks are descended from a respected builder who built both objects and loyalty and as the Baratheons are descended from a great warrior who won their house through military prowess. I guess what I'm saying is, George is clever as fuck.
That is honestly a very good insight, it shows how the deeper nature of these families, the rest of westeros write of the starks arla these barbarian rulers, then later as honorable fools with the popularity of Ned of recent history, yet in their nature, they were always dedicated, and build and grow their people, They are builders. Whole the Lannisters of Tywin want to create a dynasty, trying to give the image that his house are a noble and respectable house that are to be feared. yet they always scheme, lie, manipulate, and plot. They are far from being noble lions, and more like cunning tricksters
"The character who doesn't fit the personality of the house is Tyrion." You couldn't be more wrong here. Tyrion is more Tywin than Jaime, Cersei, Kevan, Gerion, Tygett, Genna, Joffrey, Myrcella and Tomment combined.
SkipperPlaysTW No, this video is correct. Yes Tyrion is the most Tywin-like thanks to his wits and intelligence, but that is not Lannister family defining characteristic. Remember Tywin father was a weak and clueless man? Their family true symbolic personality is selfishness, to put their own need above everything else. Tywin, Cersei, Jaime (before he lost his hand), Joffrey and almost every other Lannisters all have this. Tyrion is not, he able to sympathize with the weak and the unfortunates which probably because he himself has been oppressed and insulted within his own family since he was a child, thus Tyrion built his own set of moral values.
Can't agree with you there. Cersei (especially in the books) can be summed up by her desire to protect her children. She has a selfless devotion to them. Jaime I needn't comment on. He's arguably the most selfless person in the show and books (but hides it). The only one you could argue is truly selfish is Tywin - but even he has an undying loyalty to his house over himself. Tyrion seems very Lannister (until Season 5 where everything about his character is thrown away and he is made into a black and white protagonist). Varys: "Ned Stark was an honorable man." Tyrion: "And I am not. Threaten me again and i'll have you thrown into the sea."
You seem a bit confused on what selfishness means. When one is willing to sacrifice their own life to fight a much more powerful enemy to protect their idea/family yeah that is a selfless (and one hell of a badass) devotion, but when you're a person in power such as Queen Cersei who willing to slaughter families, burn thousand of mostly innocent people to 'protect' your own that is not devotion, that is selfishness. A really huge selfishness. Most dictators in this world has true love for their family and yet we don't call that a selfless devotion. As matter of fact she is the most selfish among the Lannisters, as she care only of her own kids, and to certain extent his brother/lover Jaime. She even blame Tommen after he died, saying "he abandon us" when confronted by Jamie, remember? At least Tywin cs. do what they do for the whole Lannister clans and never betray that one value they hold. Jamie, yes he has become much better, and now one of the most likable, but that after a whole life-changing experiences during the story. So the video is correct when saying that Tyrion is the only one that doesn't fit the Lannister characteristic, he has been such a sympathetic person ever since the story start.
I think this is subjective. You could, rightly, argue that because the cost of protecting her children, Cersei is selfish. But you could also, rightly, argue that the initial concept of protecting her children is selfless. I guess it depends which lens you apply.
6:54 That´s actualy not true (at least in the books). Out of the 3 Lanistes siblings Tyrion is the most similar to his father. Jamie doesn´t want power and Cersi is to stupid to rule, but Tyrion and Tywin embody pragmatism and machiavellianism. This is Tyrion´s quote from the books when Tywin says that he is not his son: "Now that’s where you’re wrong, Father. Why, I believe I'm you writ small". And this what aunt Gena said to Jaime: "Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you. I said so once to your father's face, and he would not speak to me for half a year" The similarities betwen Tywin and Tyrion are represented with the aliteration on they´re names: TYwin, TYrion, TYrants.
Jaime is probably the least "Lannister" of all the Lannisters. Like you said yourself, Tyrion is perceived to be the most like his father without trying. Cercei seeks to model herself off of Tywin and fails mostly due to the fact she is a woman. Jaime doesn't scheme or attempt to gain power, he actually refuses it in favour of being with a woman he "loves". He doesn't really care for the family name or how people perceive him (this is a lie of course, he is very sensitive when it comes to being called a Kingslayer). Jaime ends up being one of the few decent Lannisters.
green tunic of destiny I wish I could like both of these comments more than once. All the animosity between Tyrion and Tywin stems from them being so similar. And Jaime is so different from the two of them. Tywin always wanted Jaime to take over after him, but Jaime would rather be a knight than a ruler. And both Tyrion and Cersei wish they had Jaime's body in order to be taken seriously and become influential the way Lannisters, according to Tywin, are meant to be.
Very interesting reading! Thanks for sharing your knowledge of the books. This suggests that Tywin's hatred of Tyrion is partly based in rejecting parts of himself that he doesn't want to acknowledge.
I always thought Jaime was really what held the family together for so long. Probably since their mothers death, he is the only thing keeping them together. He's the only one all three of them like - and he's also the only one trying and giving his best to be liked by them. Not always, especially when he comes back one handed, their are some lines he draws, (like saying no to his father), but he's still trying to if possible please them all enough, that they could go back to being a disfunctional family, rater than the clusterfuck they are. It's no wonder everything falls apart, as soon as he's captured and away for them for longer than a year.
he was like 9 (?) when he became king? How many 9 year olds do you know could rule a nation as a monarch? You can't judge what sort of king he'd be before he even reached puberty
@@josephwright4222 Tommen and Joffrey are like opposite extremes of England's King Edward VI. Like Tommen, he was young, physically weak and overrun with religious extremists, but he helped to encourage the extremists with a callousness and spitefulness (see how he treated his big sister Mary) closer to Joffrey.
If anyone were to manipulate him it would be Margaery because unlike Cersei or the High Sparrow at least she would’ve been good counsel for Tommen in ruling. This was more discovered in the books but Margaery told the boy to attend more small council meetings and court sessions along with getting her brother Loras to train Tommen with a sword and know how to fight. She’s also trying to give him more of a backbone to stand up to Cersei so they can both be rid of her. Maybe all manipulative but those were things Tommen should’ve been doing as king in the first place right?
But we don't know of any other Lannisters doing it. It's the Targaryens that are known for marrying off brothers and sisters (of course there are exceptions)
_"And who are you," the proud Lord said,_ _"that I must bow so low?_ _Only a cat of a different coat,_ _that's all the truth I know!_ _Be a coat of gold or a coat of red,_ _a lion still has claws,_ _and mine are long and sharp my lord,_ _as long and sharp as yours."_ _And so he spoke, and so he spoke,_ _that Lord of Castamere._ _But now the rains weep o'er his halls,_ _and no-one there to hear._ _Yes now the rains weep o'er his halls,_ _and not a soul to hear._
I feel like Tyrion is undoubtedly Tywin's son and very much a Lannister. You don't have to be Cersei-like to be a Lannister. Even Tywin's worst atrocities saved thousands of lives.
Tywin brought prosperity as hand to aerys and kept tha king in check and the westerlands were always propering so tywin was a great ruler and many lannisters (cersei was ruthless and smart but not that smart) as well
you seemed bias against the Lannister, when jaime and tyrion showed something good, you describe it as 'un-Lannister like'. In my opinion though, they're the most interesting house in all seven kingdom
Because it kind of is. If Tyrion had not been born with dwarfism, he would be the stereotypical Lannister that everyone hates. And every good act that Jaime does has been driven by his proximity to and influence by Brienne. Just as Cersei had been the driving force in creating the Jaime we were presented with at the beginning of the series.
Kia Maria jaime isnt selfish nor narcissistic. If he was, he would be going for the throne like his father wanted to. Instead he served the army. He was the only one that treats tyrion with respect. He did what he did because he sincerely loves cersei. Jaime is very far from being selfish.
I never get bored when one of their family members show up in the screen. They always either say or do something interesting which makes the show even more entertaining
I know a House Targaryen analysis is bound to come, but will you do an analysis for Houses Tyrell and Baratheon? I feel there's so much interesting symbolism to be found in their sigils and characters, like how a rose and its hidden thorns can compare to Margaery and Olenna; and how deer fight amongst each other like the contending branches of House Baratheon
I disagree with the statement that Tyrion doesn’t fit in with the Lannister’s. Like Tywin and Cersei, he has a desire for power, he often thinks that his status as a dwarf is what holds him back (similar to how Cersei sees her femininity as a disadvantage) , he doesn’t get along with his father and sister, he enjoys revenge, and he seems to require rewards for bravery (Blackwater). In contrast, Jaime doesn’t try to gain power, he gets along with both his siblings, he rarely seeks revenge, and he allows people to call him Kingslayer and Oathbreaker instead of telling people that he saved millions of lives.
About 2 years ago, my friends and i asked each other what house would we belong in given the chance. I answered Lannister cause i felt very similar and connected to Jamie and Tyrion. This video however, knocks it out the park. Not only do I think Im a Lannister, but also my entire family haha
The Kingdom of The Rock. The richest of all of the kingdoms. They only bent because Orys Baratheon held a blade to Loren Lannister’s throat while he was on his knees in front of Aegon The Conqueror.
xing hai shi bu xing house baelish is a house dude, he was, and I suppose still is, Lord Baelish of a small lordship in the Vale. he even got his name "littlefinger" from his province
I feel that this video, while well-made, oversimplifies the complex characters by reducing them to stereotypes and makes a classic Slytherin-ish case for Tyrion as "THE good Lannister". (I'm referring to any Harry Potter character who is a Slytherin and when fans, instead of accepting that everyone is complex and can have both good and bad in them pigeon-hole every character into some stereotype, generally the one of their Hogwarts' house - hence any character the fans like and argue he/she is not a "real" Slytherin, instead of accepting that Slytherins aren't just the "evil" guys. There's also the classic argument of any "bad" Gryffindor being not a "real" Griffindor but a covert "Slytherin"). Tyrion is different from Cersei and has more in common with Jamie, but he also exhibits a lot of Lannister characteristics (which are not all super negative cartoonish "bad guy" traits, by the way). He's cunning, actually really susceptible to flattery, especially when it's coming from a woman, and uses his name & wealth to great advantage. He also has a really dark side sometimes, which is more visible in the books in his inner monologue than in the show. He's just as Lannister as anyone else. The Lannisters, like most characters of ASoIaF, are complex people. Really, your descriptions only apply to Tywin & Cersei, who are the minority of the Lannisters we meet in the course of the story.
You mentioned that House Lannister might be better represented by snakes than lions. However, although lions are better known for their physical strength, they are still cats, and cats are well-known for being crafty, sneaky, and a touch crazy. They are thought of as manipulative and psychotic, but also as wise and loving. All of these traits can be found in the Lannister family.
First, I love the in depth analysis of each family. I can tell y'all spent a lot of time and effort to make these as accurate and interesting as they are. Secondly, your voice is extremely comforting with all these deaths and betrayals in GoT. Lastly and most importantly, these videos create a rewatch value to an already amazing and rewatchable show
You can't fully judge a House by what it's most recent generation had done. You have to take the full history of the House into account. Ex: despite Jaime being a kingslayer and Tyrion being a kinslayer, the Lannisters have shown great loyalty by backing the Targaryens through 5 Blackfyre rebellions. This shows that the Lannisters can be fiercely loyal to other people aside from themselves.
This is what Jamie was trying to explain to Cersi in Season 7 Episode 1, that there is no purpose in going to war when they can't leave a legacy. Then she says that she won't do it for legacy but for "us". I think Jamie realizes now that Cersi accepted the fate of her children and now it's about self-preservation.
Really enjoying this series of analysis, and your channel overall. Thank you for all the work you (and your team) do, and for a wonderful voice--perfect for narration. :)
Am I the only one who thinks Cersei didn't love her kids as much as everyone says? She loved them as long as she could control and own them Jeoffrey was a spoiled physco that she enabled until she couldn't control him anymore she barely had a relationship with myrcella and she killed the women tommen loved and drove him to suicide bc she wanted to remain the queen and keep her last son as a baby
She loved them but its not the right love. She truly in her own way cared for them. However, she cannot see that she is doing more harm than good. She never tried to control joffrey, which was a mistake and she tried to control tommen, which was a mistake. The problem with cersei is she cannot think ahead and she overestimates her own smartness. She likes to act like Tywin but she is the furthest of the three to Tywin, as tywin always thinks of the consequences of all of his action (except for tyrion). The only thing she got from tywin is his pride.
How you think the familly would be if the mother would survive to Tyron being born? She sounds kind in the books, the only woman Tywin loves (beside his own mother). She knew about the incest thing and put the dorms of the siblings away and also she was triying to marry her kids to the Dorne House. I think her present would make her house more like the Tyrells, in the meaning of a strong family that support each other.
U had me til u said Tyrion was different from the other Lannister’s. He’s exactly the same. Him meeting Dany gave him purpose? No being hand to the King gave him purpose which he discovered when he was hand to Joffrey. Jamie also believed in something greater than himself. Honor. Cersei’s love for her children was greater than herself. Unfortunately she lost that.
This is why house Lannister is my favorit. They are very complex characters, and they are the ones keeping the show interesting. They pretty much represents what GoT is all about, the conflict within yourself etc -Jaime FTW! :D
You missed a big one in failing to quote the scene where Tywin reveals to Cersei that the Lannister mines are dry. Even their wealth is a sham. The only way they were able to maintain power was in manipulating the Tyrels into backing the throne - and now that's gone. You can kill the White Walkers, but you can't kill the Iron Bank. ruclips.net/video/xqIyVtlxbW8/видео.html&t=46s But other than that, another great video.
I like how as Jaime lost his hand, and through it his superior swordsmanship, the thing that made him "above others" and connected him to his father and sister, that's what marked the beginning of his seperation from them. The literal change sparking the internal change, and they indicate him moving away from those Lannister traits with things like his interest in Brienne and his changed views of the rest of his family when he returns to King's Landing (Though I am ignoring the scene in the show not in the books where he rapes Cersei)
A day will come when you think you're safe and happy and your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth. And you'll know the debt is paid.... (One of the BEST lyrics in the show)
The Lannister’s remind me of the Medici’s. Known for their vast wealth and pride, and how both would be wielded to temper their enemies. They both also gained power by marrying into nobility. Cersei is also very clearly. Cathrine de Medici
I feel like when Tywin was reshaping his house he tools some ideas from The riverlands, a little from the vale and a little from the iron born and created something new
Tommen and Myrcella, not Tyrion, are the atypical Lannisters. Tommen wants to uplift the people, and Myrcella wants to find love. Tyrion is still very much driven by ego and greed, just of a different kind. Tyrion has spent his entire life seeking validation from his family, which is why he's so close to Jaime. Jaime, on the other hand, has never desired to be anything more than a great warrior; Tommen and Myrcella inherit this lack of financial desire from their father. Tyrion is most similar to Tywin, which is partly why Tywin hates him so much.
3:31 "[Gold is linked to] the power of the Sun." On a mythological (until proven otherwise) note: Crimson is a variation of red, a color also associated with fire, blood and the Sun, and assuming the Sun is an avatar or the actual physical form of _R'hllor_ (aka the _Red God_), then the Lannisters are (unknowingly) some of its most competent creations, in evolutionary terms. Compare these to Targaryen red and their pale silver/platinum/gold hair color. Similar colors, different family traits. A "divine" legacy dating back to their original progenitor Lann the Clever, an archetypical trickster figure, probably bearing some of the main characteristics of his trickster god creator (back then having appeared to humans as _Garth Greenhand_). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster
"no animal on earth can rival the lion" there are some, and if we include other biomes like jungle etc it will get even worse. no fancy dragons needed.
Very good video! I loved it, the Lannisters are my favorite drama queens. But I can't help but think there were a few missed opportunities from having dismissing the sigil of a Lion as an appropriate representative of the Lannisters. They're a vicious family, disdainful of any signs of weakness either within themselves, among themselves, or especially among other people. Tywin Lannister, the head of his family, is so intolerant of weakness (a threat to his pride above all) that when he cannot tear it out he deludes himself that it (Cersei and Jamie's relationship) does not exist. That this is a weakness in itself is also ignored for the sake of pride, and when a weakness cannot be ignored (Tyrion's dwarfism) he treats it with a manifestation of that intolerance in the form of harassment until it evolved into the same bloodthirsty desire to cut it out from the family the moment he believes Tyrion to be a threat to the youngest, and most vulnerable. Speaking of family, the most powerful and accomplished Lannisters, Tywin and Cersei, are always the ones who hold family above all, which draws a connection the lion's value for their prides. Prides in themselves are often a volatile and hierarchical group, as much as they are a form of protection of the group against outsiders, however. I think the combination of gold and red, in addition to symbolizing extravagance, is a sign to the lion's ruthless nature under all that we might admire about it. It's the color of a bloodied pelt, and the further we go into the seasons, there is less of the golden exterior, and more and more of the red stain/evidence of the Lannister self-serving viciousness, and destructive side of their pride. The further we move into the seasons, the more we see the Lannisters trade their gold for blood until finally in seasons seven and eight Cersei is on the throne and all she ever seems to wear are deep reds, (opposed to Joffrey's and Tommen's excessive decoration) trimmed with gold (after she's done mourning/wearing black for her dead children). Even after seizing the assets of the wealthiest family in the seven kingdoms/the Tyrells, she immediately puts herself in debt in anticipation of a new, bloody war. I personally believe the Rains of Castamere could be the story of House Lannister's downfall as much as it was the source of their reclaimed pride. House Reyne's last sigil was a fully red lion on a gold-less background.
I love the lion symbol present on their clothes and apartments in little details I even made a miniature polymer clay glass and styrofoam Casterly Rock and Lannisport with tiny golden lions everywhere! 🦁"Hear me roar"!
Tywin is a man who isn't cruel or sadistic. He does only what is needed based on the world he lives in. If he was in a setting like Lord of the Rings or Narnia he would act in a way which is based on those worlds.
Something I find interesting: the animal itself. Throughout the centuries, people have thought of lions as proud and noble beasts (just as the Lannisters’ appearance). However, ask any zoologist / documentary film maker and you’ll know their true despicable and backstabbing nature (look at their treatment of hyenas, cheetas… often stealing their hard work instead of making their own). A true lion isn’t noble AT ALL. + mother lions are very fiercely protective of their cubs (~Cersei ), the male leader lion can be dangerous and intimidating to the rest of the pack (~tywin) and they are known to cast out weaker/crippled members instead of taking care of them (~Tyrion)
The Family that holds the throne is Royalty. The Throne was hold by the Baratheons now after the death of Tommen and Cersei as Queen the Lannisters are Royalty
"There are no men like me... Only me" I've adapted that line for many situations in my Life Works like a charm People imagined you came back at them for an insult they didn't mean too
Yes, the jury is in on that topic already. The larger bear species are superior fighters to big cats due to sheer size and the ability to fight bipedally.
Eventhough i dont like to admit it, this twisted Lanister family may be may favourite house in game of thrones, everyone but Lancel, Priscilla and Tommen seem to be either supervillains or heroes or both, all very interesting characters that made a huge impact on Westeros..
"The dwarf, the cripple, and the mother of madness."
Soviet Scooty omfg I came down to the comments and read this at the exactly the same time as he was saying it
THAT LINE NEVER GETS OLD!!!!
I've noticed that in the show the less "lannister-like" the lannisters become their hair becomes darker like Jaime and Tyrion where as Cersei's has stayed the same due to her not losing her lannister character traits, what do you guys think?
Malaysian_ Asian interesting theory!
Hannah Banana Thank you I appreciate it :)
Malaysian_ Asian Interesting theory, but I believe Tyrion is the most Lannister like of all Tywin's children.
SkipperPlaysTW he is the least lannister like
Bullshit, Tyrion is a strategic genius like his father. Tyrion is more like Tywin than any other of his children.
There is no denying it, Tywin Lannister is the greatest player of the game of thrones with the perfect combination of both honor and cruelty that conversation with Aarya in season 3 proved it.
Compared to Littlefinger or the Spider, though... Tywin failed to recognize Daenerys as a growing threat. He gave Baelish more power than he should ever have when he made him Lord of Harrenhal and sent him to court Lysa Arryn, and he never got a glimpse of Varys's true plan (restoring the Targaryen dynasty by causing the Lannisters' fall). If he had been such a great player, he would've realized that, even if his cruelty was very useful against his enemies, his modus operandi was building an unhealthy dependence in his own family, a family which would surely crumble with his absence.
Also, his demeanor with his progenies ensured that not one of his own children would be able to rule House Lannister in his name: Jamie became both afraid and unfit for ruling, Cersei became a power-hungry bitch with an inferiority complex and Tyrion never got the respect he should have despite being a good ruler.
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Completely agree with Zenene here. Tywinn was a magnificent player, and a perfect combination of military and political prowess, but he isn't a full package.
I'd say he embodies the futility of puritanism. His work with family, politics and war, was all rooted in his self imposed dogma, that ended up blinding him in the face of all the threats and scandals mentioned above, and ultimately led to his downfall.
It's also pretty important to note that his whole character was a self made one, based on his hatred towards his own father. There never was a tried-and-tested "Lannister nationalism" (understood here as a chauvanistic pride in his family and in - at the very least - Casterly Rock). It was all something that he made up, and built up as a natural truth, but which ended up kicking a lot of problems down the road (nothing but power-by-proximity, severely damaged kids, no loyalty based alliances, damaging infamy), and being far too rigid in the face political turmoil (which isn't that uncommon in Westeros - he basically kickstarted their powertrip 30 years prior to the series *in the midst of political turmoil.)*
Actually, now that I think about it, Tywin is a pretty great allegory for fascism:
Set up a brand new and untested counter-ideology to whatever came before, put a *BIG STRONG MAN* in charge, turn up your ambitions to make-or-break level, and keep moving forward with no regards to long term consequences. It's a crude simplification, but that's more or less what Tywin was doing, right up until one of those damaged kids ( /disenfranchised political associate) came back and revenge-murdered him on the shitter.
The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced Tywin was actually really fucking bad at the Game of Thrones. In the end, he was just really good at projecting power, wealth and control, and was doing pretty well in his borrowed time.
A great read that pushes back against the notion that Tywin was all ruthless pragmatism -- this was just a mask to hide a vengeful, petty spirit (not just towards Tyrion, but others as well, such as the Martells):
warsandpoliticsoficeandfire.wordpress.com/2014/09/04/the-lions-fury-tywin-lannister-and-the-psychology-of-brutality/
I disagree with the idea that Tyrion is the most un-Lannister-like member of the house. Maybe appearance-wise, but his intelligence, ruthlessness and resourcefulness point directly to his father Tywin. The show may project him as a wronged good guy, which he is, but it doesn't delve into the dark thoughts that fill his minds regarding those he sees as his enemies, mostly Tywin and Cersei - something which is repeatedly driven home to the reader in the books. Had he not been born a dwarf he probably would've continued as Tywin's heir not only in name, but also in spirit.
Also atleast in the books, he has a strong desire to be like his father and make him proud, so he is really shaped by wanting to emulate and impress Tywin as well
Tomen breaks the mold
@@url4345 even in the show. After Tywin named him king's hand and called him "his son" (which was another manipulation because he needed him in King's Landing while he was at war against Robb) I think Tyrion really believed he had another chance to please her father, so he did everything he could to protect his family. But then in season 3, despite his major role in the victory, he was dismissed and confined in a small room. He still tried to convince Tywin to make him his legitimate heir (since Jaime was not able to be, being a member of the King's guard) but Tywin once again revealed his true feelings and humiliated him, proving that he lied to him in season 1 just to convince him to do the dirty work. This is when Tyrion definitely abandoned any hope to be a real Lannister.
Sanjay menon but he’s not selfish
You know at one point in the books, Tywin's sister Genna Lannister claimed to him that out of his three offspring, Tyrion resembles him the most by intelligence, resourcefulness, spirit, and ruthlessness. Tywin was so mad about that claim that he refused to speak to his sister for what she said.
The only person who doesn't confirm with the Lannister traits is not Tyrion, it's Tommen. Tyrion is a true blue Lannister.
i think Tommen's traits came from Tywin's father it could also be from Jaime.
Tommen is literally 8 like damn 💀
and tywin
even Myrcella
More like true gold
Tyrion = Tywin’s mind
Jaime = Tywin’s body
Cersei = Tywin’s soul
Reoribuh Kahili nicely said
That means Tywin's mind betrayed his body then fucked his soul.
Tywin wasnt a warrior tho
@@collindanielson9176 Yes he was, in the war of the nine peckines and against house tarweck
@@Elijah-nf3ch Actually, you've got that wrong. Tywin's body fucked his soul and his soul betrayed his mind.
"A Lannister always pays his--"
"Don't say it. Don't fooking say it."
This is why Bronn is one of the best characters.
The Lion is actually a wholly fitting symbol for the Lannisters, when you know the true nature of lions. They're vicious, brutal animals, stealing kills from smaller predators, killing smaller predators to eliminate competition, striking in the night, males even slaughtering existing cubs when they take over a pride in order to bring the females into estrus. Males will drive off their own sons once they become sexually active, not unlike Tywin's contempt for Tyrion's whoremongering. Lions use overwhelming violence and fear to stay on top, like how Tywin uses the Mountain's savage cruelty and violence to eliminate enemies.
Lions will often go out of their way to eliminate the young of hyenas and other predators, like how the Lannisters go after King Robert's bastard kids and the Stark children.
another interesting comparison is that many across the whole world believe Lions are the king of the jungle when in truth there are far more animals and animal packs that can outperform lions at both strength and effenciency, similarly to how tywin is seen as the most untouchable man with the strongest convictions and brutality when in truth he couldn't even overcome a petty hate for his own child who wasn't even responsible nor deserving of that hate
And here's a fun fact: lions are also known to have sex with their own family members, like Jamie and Cersei
Of all three children, Jaime is the one who is least a Lannister.
He literally refused to do his duty to have heirs and chose to join the Kingsguard out of loyalty and love to Cersei, not to his house. His sense of honor made him kill Aerys despite how awkward that made him and House Lannister look. He armed Brienne and told her to rescue Sansa when it would have been better for House Lannister to have her captured.
Jaime Lannister was loyal to his morals and to those he loved (Tyrion, Brienne and Cersei). That was all. Fuck glory, gold, and reputation.
Ironically, if it wasn't for his incest, facade and blatant dishonesty about himself he'd probably be closer to being a Stark than a Lannister.
What Jaime had was trauma,not the "love" towards Cersei.
Jaime did not choose to join the kingsguard off his own wish... Aerys apointed him to piss off tywin... Jaime only accepted because cercei convinced him so they could be close at KL... and let's not forget the little detail of getting shorted a head if he didn't accept..
The best actors of the entire game of thrones. Period
They're the most interesting family/characters. You're never bored when one of them is on screen, especially if it's Cersei and Tyrion together.
No.They were hot headed,over ambitious and very short sighted.All the decisions Tywin took served him till he was alive.He died,his legacy died.
@@apieceoflife2732 They were the most interesting characters. And I think you mean 'till he was dead'.
They're also descended from Lann the Clever, who tricked the Casterlys out of the Rock. They're descended from a clever manipulator as the Starks are descended from a respected builder who built both objects and loyalty and as the Baratheons are descended from a great warrior who won their house through military prowess.
I guess what I'm saying is, George is clever as fuck.
That is honestly a very good insight, it shows how the deeper nature of these families, the rest of westeros write of the starks arla these barbarian rulers, then later as honorable fools with the popularity of Ned of recent history, yet in their nature, they were always dedicated, and build and grow their people, They are builders. Whole the Lannisters of Tywin want to create a dynasty, trying to give the image that his house are a noble and respectable house that are to be feared. yet they always scheme, lie, manipulate, and plot. They are far from being noble lions, and more like cunning tricksters
"The character who doesn't fit the personality of the house is Tyrion." You couldn't be more wrong here. Tyrion is more Tywin than Jaime, Cersei, Kevan, Gerion, Tygett, Genna, Joffrey, Myrcella and Tomment combined.
SkipperPlaysTW No, this video is correct. Yes Tyrion is the most Tywin-like thanks to his wits and intelligence, but that is not Lannister family defining characteristic. Remember Tywin father was a weak and clueless man? Their family true symbolic personality is selfishness, to put their own need above everything else. Tywin, Cersei, Jaime (before he lost his hand), Joffrey and almost every other Lannisters all have this. Tyrion is not, he able to sympathize with the weak and the unfortunates which probably because he himself has been oppressed and insulted within his own family since he was a child, thus Tyrion built his own set of moral values.
Can't agree with you there. Cersei (especially in the books) can be summed up by her desire to protect her children. She has a selfless devotion to them. Jaime I needn't comment on. He's arguably the most selfless person in the show and books (but hides it). The only one you could argue is truly selfish is Tywin - but even he has an undying loyalty to his house over himself.
Tyrion seems very Lannister (until Season 5 where everything about his character is thrown away and he is made into a black and white protagonist).
Varys: "Ned Stark was an honorable man."
Tyrion: "And I am not. Threaten me again and i'll have you thrown into the sea."
You seem a bit confused on what selfishness means. When one is willing to sacrifice their own life to fight a much more powerful enemy to protect their idea/family yeah that is a selfless (and one hell of a badass) devotion, but when you're a person in power such as Queen Cersei who willing to slaughter families, burn thousand of mostly innocent people to 'protect' your own that is not devotion, that is selfishness. A really huge selfishness. Most dictators in this world has true love for their family and yet we don't call that a selfless devotion.
As matter of fact she is the most selfish among the Lannisters, as she care only of her own kids, and to certain extent his brother/lover Jaime. She even blame Tommen after he died, saying "he abandon us" when confronted by Jamie, remember? At least Tywin cs. do what they do for the whole Lannister clans and never betray that one value they hold.
Jamie, yes he has become much better, and now one of the most likable, but that after a whole life-changing experiences during the story. So the video is correct when saying that Tyrion is the only one that doesn't fit the Lannister characteristic, he has been such a sympathetic person ever since the story start.
I think this is subjective. You could, rightly, argue that because the cost of protecting her children, Cersei is selfish. But you could also, rightly, argue that the initial concept of protecting her children is selfless.
I guess it depends which lens you apply.
Tommen is not Lannister like at all
6:54 That´s actualy not true (at least in the books). Out of the 3 Lanistes siblings Tyrion is the most similar to his father. Jamie doesn´t want power and Cersi is to stupid to rule, but Tyrion and Tywin embody pragmatism and machiavellianism.
This is Tyrion´s quote from the books when Tywin says that he is not his son: "Now that’s where you’re wrong, Father. Why, I believe I'm you writ small". And this what aunt Gena said to Jaime: "Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you. I said so once to your father's face, and he would not speak to me for half a year"
The similarities betwen Tywin and Tyrion are represented with the aliteration on they´re names: TYwin, TYrion, TYrants.
Jaime is probably the least "Lannister" of all the Lannisters.
Like you said yourself, Tyrion is perceived to be the most like his father without trying. Cercei seeks to model herself off of Tywin and fails mostly due to the fact she is a woman.
Jaime doesn't scheme or attempt to gain power, he actually refuses it in favour of being with a woman he "loves". He doesn't really care for the family name or how people perceive him (this is a lie of course, he is very sensitive when it comes to being called a Kingslayer).
Jaime ends up being one of the few decent Lannisters.
green tunic of destiny I wish I could like both of these comments more than once. All the animosity between Tyrion and Tywin stems from them being so similar. And Jaime is so different from the two of them. Tywin always wanted Jaime to take over after him, but Jaime would rather be a knight than a ruler. And both Tyrion and Cersei wish they had Jaime's body in order to be taken seriously and become influential the way Lannisters, according to Tywin, are meant to be.
Very interesting reading! Thanks for sharing your knowledge of the books. This suggests that Tywin's hatred of Tyrion is partly based in rejecting parts of himself that he doesn't want to acknowledge.
I always thought Jaime was really what held the family together for so long. Probably since their mothers death, he is the only thing keeping them together. He's the only one all three of them like - and he's also the only one trying and giving his best to be liked by them. Not always, especially when he comes back one handed, their are some lines he draws, (like saying no to his father), but he's still trying to if possible please them all enough, that they could go back to being a disfunctional family, rater than the clusterfuck they are. It's no wonder everything falls apart, as soon as he's captured and away for them for longer than a year.
Ari33sa oh wow, I think you're dead on. Especially with the timing of their unravelling. I've never looked at it that way before!
The problem with Tommen was he was in spite of being kind but he was also weak and prone to inaction
Shiloh Elgin better then Joffrey
he was simply young. In time he could have come into his own.
Tommem was like his great grandfather, Tytos.
he was like 9 (?) when he became king? How many 9 year olds do you know could rule a nation as a monarch? You can't judge what sort of king he'd be before he even reached puberty
@@josephwright4222 Tommen and Joffrey are like opposite extremes of England's King Edward VI. Like Tommen, he was young, physically weak and overrun with religious extremists, but he helped to encourage the extremists with a callousness and spitefulness (see how he treated his big sister Mary) closer to Joffrey.
I miss Tommen. He was a sweet, gullible kid who deserved better.
Unfortunately in the history books, sweet gullible kings rarely end up well. Or they are easily manipulated to become monsters themselves.
Ikr, I hate how Cersei manipulated him
Sometimes I'm tommen in this world . Need to be more hard , less compassionate. I grew up with single mum . I have good heart , people take advantage
At least he got to bang Margorie Tyrell few times before the church imprisoned her. That's definitely a highlight of his short life and shorter reign.
If anyone were to manipulate him it would be Margaery because unlike Cersei or the High Sparrow at least she would’ve been good counsel for Tommen in ruling. This was more discovered in the books but Margaery told the boy to attend more small council meetings and court sessions along with getting her brother Loras to train Tommen with a sword and know how to fight. She’s also trying to give him more of a backbone to stand up to Cersei so they can both be rid of her. Maybe all manipulative but those were things Tommen should’ve been doing as king in the first place right?
The lion is the Lannister sigil, and lions often perform incest.
(fact) female wolves don't allow incest. praise the starks
hhHh bruh..
Well if dragons were real they must have been crazy addicted to it then
Deacon Dank that's a really interestring fact!
But we don't know of any other Lannisters doing it. It's the Targaryens that are known for marrying off brothers and sisters (of course there are exceptions)
Just as the Stark's symbolism video, this was also very well done!
Mr. Wong Wong as always, Mr. Wong
_"And who are you," the proud Lord said,_
_"that I must bow so low?_
_Only a cat of a different coat,_
_that's all the truth I know!_
_Be a coat of gold or a coat of red,_
_a lion still has claws,_
_and mine are long and sharp my lord,_
_as long and sharp as yours."_
_And so he spoke, and so he spoke,_
_that Lord of Castamere._
_But now the rains weep o'er his halls,_
_and no-one there to hear._
_Yes now the rains weep o'er his halls,_
_and not a soul to hear._
Really appreciate the high quality Game of Thrones content y'all have been putting out lately. Keep up the good work.
I feel like Tyrion is undoubtedly Tywin's son and very much a Lannister. You don't have to be Cersei-like to be a Lannister. Even Tywin's worst atrocities saved thousands of lives.
Burning the Tully's land after fedding his army with them is saving thousands of life?
Tywin brought prosperity as hand to aerys and kept tha king in check and the westerlands were always propering so tywin was a great ruler and many lannisters (cersei was ruthless and smart but not that smart) as well
Lol No.Tywin was a monster in nice clothes
"Hear me roar" also implies flashiness and a need for recognition/admiration, I think
you seemed bias against the Lannister, when jaime and tyrion showed something good, you describe it as 'un-Lannister like'. In my opinion though, they're the most interesting house in all seven kingdom
Because it kind of is. If Tyrion had not been born with dwarfism, he would be the stereotypical Lannister that everyone hates. And every good act that Jaime does has been driven by his proximity to and influence by Brienne. Just as Cersei had been the driving force in creating the Jaime we were presented with at the beginning of the series.
Interesting =/= good.
Kia Maria jaime isnt selfish nor narcissistic. If he was, he would be going for the throne like his father wanted to. Instead he served the army. He was the only one that treats tyrion with respect. He did what he did because he sincerely loves cersei. Jaime is very far from being selfish.
@@dennisvillaflor3359 but he would do anything for her, no matter the cost for the others (like he told Edmure in season 6)
Well it's because they are evil,who deserve to be punished for the horrifying things they did.And They had to pay the price.
A kind king does not make him a good king. Tommen would have never been a good king.
i mean...Margery would have been king lol
Brett William Vinopal he had no idea what it took to be king. Thus he was controlled by anyone. He was not as bad as pathetic joffrey though (duh)
He would, he's just way too young to be given any governing responsibility.
No he would have not because he feared the faith and had no spine and let all the mess happened out of fear.
If Tywin had lived, he would have made Tommen into a good king.
I like that you all decided to do a GoT lead up.
Voldemort. Voldemort. Oooo, voldy, voldy, voldy, Voldemort!
Harry Potter killed you so yeah take that
I never get bored when one of their family members show up in the screen. They always either say or do something interesting which makes the show even more entertaining
I know a House Targaryen analysis is bound to come, but will you do an analysis for Houses Tyrell and Baratheon? I feel there's so much interesting symbolism to be found in their sigils and characters, like how a rose and its hidden thorns can compare to Margaery and Olenna; and how deer fight amongst each other like the contending branches of House Baratheon
I disagree with the statement that Tyrion doesn’t fit in with the Lannister’s. Like Tywin and Cersei, he has a desire for power, he often thinks that his status as a dwarf is what holds him back (similar to how Cersei sees her femininity as a disadvantage) , he doesn’t get along with his father and sister, he enjoys revenge, and he seems to require rewards for bravery (Blackwater). In contrast, Jaime doesn’t try to gain power, he gets along with both his siblings, he rarely seeks revenge, and he allows people to call him Kingslayer and Oathbreaker instead of telling people that he saved millions of lives.
About 2 years ago, my friends and i asked each other what house would we belong in given the chance. I answered Lannister cause i felt very similar and connected to Jamie and Tyrion. This video however, knocks it out the park. Not only do I think Im a Lannister, but also my entire family haha
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To be fair, the Lannisters WERE kings before the Targaryens showed up
Yes the kings of the rock
The Kingdom of The Rock. The richest of all of the kingdoms. They only bent because Orys Baratheon held a blade to Loren Lannister’s throat while he was on his knees in front of Aegon The Conqueror.
i hope you guys do videoes on symbolism of house targaryen and house tyrell as well
Yes! I'm hoping they do a video for all the main houses.
Tyrell Please!
and maybe even some minor ones like Boltons, Mormonts, or even Baelish.
Dominic Wolfgang Wallace bealish is not really a house
xing hai shi bu xing house baelish is a house dude, he was, and I suppose still is, Lord Baelish of a small lordship in the Vale. he even got his name "littlefinger" from his province
Seriously I watch a lot of Game of Throne videos and these are genuinely superb and a cut above the rest.
i love you guys' videos on game of thrones! keep them coming
I feel that this video, while well-made, oversimplifies the complex characters by reducing them to stereotypes and makes a classic Slytherin-ish case for Tyrion as "THE good Lannister". (I'm referring to any Harry Potter character who is a Slytherin and when fans, instead of accepting that everyone is complex and can have both good and bad in them pigeon-hole every character into some stereotype, generally the one of their Hogwarts' house - hence any character the fans like and argue he/she is not a "real" Slytherin, instead of accepting that Slytherins aren't just the "evil" guys. There's also the classic argument of any "bad" Gryffindor being not a "real" Griffindor but a covert "Slytherin").
Tyrion is different from Cersei and has more in common with Jamie, but he also exhibits a lot of Lannister characteristics (which are not all super negative cartoonish "bad guy" traits, by the way). He's cunning, actually really susceptible to flattery, especially when it's coming from a woman, and uses his name & wealth to great advantage. He also has a really dark side sometimes, which is more visible in the books in his inner monologue than in the show. He's just as Lannister as anyone else.
The Lannisters, like most characters of ASoIaF, are complex people. Really, your descriptions only apply to Tywin & Cersei, who are the minority of the Lannisters we meet in the course of the story.
You mentioned that House Lannister might be better represented by snakes than lions. However, although lions are better known for their physical strength, they are still cats, and cats are well-known for being crafty, sneaky, and a touch crazy. They are thought of as manipulative and psychotic, but also as wise and loving. All of these traits can be found in the Lannister family.
Cats are also vengeful. Tigers especially can hold a grudge for a long time and will go out of their way to kill for revenge.
I love this channel! You truly show how a love for film and tv is also a love of art! Keep up the wonderful work :)
I am blown away by this channel.
Thank you so much!
Thank you for putting several Joffrey slaps in there.
I want to rewatch the whole series but I'm only at season 1 and everytime I saw Ned Stark I cried my eyes out
First, I love the in depth analysis of each family. I can tell y'all spent a lot of time and effort to make these as accurate and interesting as they are. Secondly, your voice is extremely comforting with all these deaths and betrayals in GoT. Lastly and most importantly, these videos create a rewatch value to an already amazing and rewatchable show
"A Lannister always pays his-"
"DON'T SAY IT DON'T FOOKIN' SAY IT"
You can't fully judge a House by what it's most recent generation had done. You have to take the full history of the House into account. Ex: despite Jaime being a kingslayer and Tyrion being a kinslayer, the Lannisters have shown great loyalty by backing the Targaryens through 5 Blackfyre rebellions. This shows that the Lannisters can be fiercely loyal to other people aside from themselves.
This is what Jamie was trying to explain to Cersi in Season 7 Episode 1, that there is no purpose in going to war when they can't leave a legacy. Then she says that she won't do it for legacy but for "us". I think Jamie realizes now that Cersi accepted the fate of her children and now it's about self-preservation.
These videos are really well done. keep up the work
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This is one of those hidden gems RUclips randomly recommends and I'm glad it did
The Lannisters
Tywin is merciless
Jaime is handless
Cersei is brainless
Tyrion is noseless
Joffrey is breathless
Idk about tommen and myrcella :p
Tommen is spineless
Myrcella s husbandless
cersei the b r a i n l e s s
LMFAO-
Oh, Tyrion suffered a nose injury during Blackwater right?
Really enjoying this series of analysis, and your channel overall. Thank you for all the work you (and your team) do, and for a wonderful voice--perfect for narration. :)
My two favorites are from this house!
Am I the only one who thinks Cersei didn't love her kids as much as everyone says? She loved them as long as she could control and own them Jeoffrey was a spoiled physco that she enabled until she couldn't control him anymore she barely had a relationship with myrcella and she killed the women tommen loved and drove him to suicide bc she wanted to remain the queen and keep her last son as a baby
She loved them but its not the right love. She truly in her own way cared for them. However, she cannot see that she is doing more harm than good. She never tried to control joffrey, which was a mistake and she tried to control tommen, which was a mistake. The problem with cersei is she cannot think ahead and she overestimates her own smartness. She likes to act like Tywin but she is the furthest of the three to Tywin, as tywin always thinks of the consequences of all of his action (except for tyrion). The only thing she got from tywin is his pride.
Great content! Can't wait to see the next one.
How you think the familly would be if the mother would survive to Tyron being born? She sounds kind in the books, the only woman Tywin loves (beside his own mother). She knew about the incest thing and put the dorms of the siblings away and also she was triying to marry her kids to the Dorne House. I think her present would make her house more like the Tyrells, in the meaning of a strong family that support each other.
Very accurate analysis! Can you do a Bolton one eventually?
Quote of the day: "You care so much about your outer appearance, you abandoned your inner soul."
U had me til u said Tyrion was different from the other Lannister’s. He’s exactly the same. Him meeting Dany gave him purpose? No being hand to the King gave him purpose which he discovered when he was hand to Joffrey. Jamie also believed in something greater than himself. Honor. Cersei’s love for her children was greater than herself. Unfortunately she lost that.
Nah. Cersei was almost as narcissic than her father. She only trully cares about herself.
This is why house Lannister is my favorit. They are very complex characters, and they are the ones keeping the show interesting. They pretty much represents what GoT is all about, the conflict within yourself etc -Jaime FTW! :D
thank you for this! really excited for the next season😩
I can't believe I haven't found these videos until now! This stuff is fascinating.
You missed a big one in failing to quote the scene where Tywin reveals to Cersei that the Lannister mines are dry. Even their wealth is a sham. The only way they were able to maintain power was in manipulating the Tyrels into backing the throne - and now that's gone. You can kill the White Walkers, but you can't kill the Iron Bank. ruclips.net/video/xqIyVtlxbW8/видео.html&t=46s But other than that, another great video.
Well the dry mines thing is just true in the show. Not the books. In the books the Lannister mines are full
Slapping Geoffrey is the best.
I like how as Jaime lost his hand, and through it his superior swordsmanship, the thing that made him "above others" and connected him to his father and sister, that's what marked the beginning of his seperation from them. The literal change sparking the internal change, and they indicate him moving away from those Lannister traits with things like his interest in Brienne and his changed views of the rest of his family when he returns to King's Landing (Though I am ignoring the scene in the show not in the books where he rapes Cersei)
A day will come when you think you're safe and happy and your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth. And you'll know the debt is paid.... (One of the BEST lyrics in the show)
Can you imagine how unstoppable the Lannisters would be if they actually got along?
Keep these coming! Loving the GoT themed videos leading up to the season premiere :)
The Lannister’s remind me of the Medici’s. Known for their vast wealth and pride, and how both would be wielded to temper their enemies. They both also gained power by marrying into nobility. Cersei is also very clearly. Cathrine de Medici
I feel like when Tywin was reshaping his house he tools some ideas from The riverlands, a little from the vale and a little from the iron born and created something new
“The proud Lannister children: the dwarf, the cripple, and the mother of madness.”🍷
I was hoping this would be a series, ya'll got a new sub.
Tommen and Myrcella, not Tyrion, are the atypical Lannisters. Tommen wants to uplift the people, and Myrcella wants to find love. Tyrion is still very much driven by ego and greed, just of a different kind. Tyrion has spent his entire life seeking validation from his family, which is why he's so close to Jaime. Jaime, on the other hand, has never desired to be anything more than a great warrior; Tommen and Myrcella inherit this lack of financial desire from their father. Tyrion is most similar to Tywin, which is partly why Tywin hates him so much.
I loved Charles Dance. He was great. One of my favorites.
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(silently mouths "yaas kween")
great content and analysis, my new favourite channel!
great video ! Can you do baratheons or tyrells next ?
3:31 "[Gold is linked to] the power of the Sun."
On a mythological (until proven otherwise) note:
Crimson is a variation of red, a color also associated with fire, blood and the Sun, and assuming the Sun is an avatar or the actual physical form of _R'hllor_ (aka the _Red God_), then the Lannisters are (unknowingly) some of its most competent creations, in evolutionary terms.
Compare these to Targaryen red and their pale silver/platinum/gold hair color. Similar colors, different family traits.
A "divine" legacy dating back to their original progenitor Lann the Clever, an archetypical trickster figure, probably bearing some of the main characteristics of his trickster god creator (back then having appeared to humans as _Garth Greenhand_).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster
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Hope this channel gets big!
"no animal on earth can rival the lion"
there are some, and if we include other biomes like jungle etc it will get even worse. no fancy dragons needed.
Very good video! I loved it, the Lannisters are my favorite drama queens. But I can't help but think there were a few missed opportunities from having dismissing the sigil of a Lion as an appropriate representative of the Lannisters. They're a vicious family, disdainful of any signs of weakness either within themselves, among themselves, or especially among other people.
Tywin Lannister, the head of his family, is so intolerant of weakness (a threat to his pride above all) that when he cannot tear it out he deludes himself that it (Cersei and Jamie's relationship) does not exist. That this is a weakness in itself is also ignored for the sake of pride, and when a weakness cannot be ignored (Tyrion's dwarfism) he treats it with a manifestation of that intolerance in the form of harassment until it evolved into the same bloodthirsty desire to cut it out from the family the moment he believes Tyrion to be a threat to the youngest, and most vulnerable.
Speaking of family, the most powerful and accomplished Lannisters, Tywin and Cersei, are always the ones who hold family above all, which draws a connection the lion's value for their prides. Prides in themselves are often a volatile and hierarchical group, as much as they are a form of protection of the group against outsiders, however.
I think the combination of gold and red, in addition to symbolizing extravagance, is a sign to the lion's ruthless nature under all that we might admire about it. It's the color of a bloodied pelt, and the further we go into the seasons, there is less of the golden exterior, and more and more of the red stain/evidence of the Lannister self-serving viciousness, and destructive side of their pride.
The further we move into the seasons, the more we see the Lannisters trade their gold for blood until finally in seasons seven and eight Cersei is on the throne and all she ever seems to wear are deep reds, (opposed to Joffrey's and Tommen's excessive decoration) trimmed with gold (after she's done mourning/wearing black for her dead children). Even after seizing the assets of the wealthiest family in the seven kingdoms/the Tyrells, she immediately puts herself in debt in anticipation of a new, bloody war.
I personally believe the Rains of Castamere could be the story of House Lannister's downfall as much as it was the source of their reclaimed pride. House Reyne's last sigil was a fully red lion on a gold-less background.
I want more Jamie season 1 hair
Angela Willmott he looked like prince charming in shrek
@@easybreeze1891 yes he did. i forgot his name and was about to say he looked like lord farquaad-
I love the lion symbol present on their clothes and apartments in little details I even made a miniature polymer clay glass and styrofoam Casterly Rock and Lannisport with tiny golden lions everywhere! 🦁"Hear me roar"!
Lannisters are the most interesting house... At least for me....
Tywin is a man who isn't cruel or sadistic. He does only what is needed based on the world he lives in. If he was in a setting like Lord of the Rings or Narnia he would act in a way which is based on those worlds.
Pity you don't take the other Lannisters like Kevan and Lancel into account.
Analysis done right, great video!
Can they do a Clegane one, I know that there’s not much about them but it’d be awesome. For the chickens
I like the video before finishing it thats how much I love your channel!
This Video and the Stark Sigil one is outstanding! Patiently waiting for a Targaryen Sigil Explanation ❤️
Something I find interesting: the animal itself. Throughout the centuries, people have thought of lions as proud and noble beasts (just as the Lannisters’ appearance). However, ask any zoologist / documentary film maker and you’ll know their true despicable and backstabbing nature (look at their treatment of hyenas, cheetas… often stealing their hard work instead of making their own). A true lion isn’t noble AT ALL. + mother lions are very fiercely protective of their cubs (~Cersei ), the male leader lion can be dangerous and intimidating to the rest of the pack (~tywin) and they are known to cast out weaker/crippled members instead of taking care of them (~Tyrion)
The Lannisters wished to be mufasa but ended up being scar
Great! Can't wait for the next one!
How did you get that font?
Thanks for your videos! its amazing, can"t stop watching!!!
not royalty? they were kings for thousands of years
Grayice 666 when?
PanCake Theif Before the Targaryen invasion
The Family that holds the throne is Royalty. The Throne was hold by the Baratheons now after the death of Tommen and Cersei as Queen the Lannisters are Royalty
i love these kind of videos, keep it up
Good video but the dislike towards the characters didn't let me enjoy the true meaning of it.
I LOVE THESE. KEEP EM COMING !!!!
Tommen could have been a good king at least a kind with one if it weren't for his mother's meddling
"There are no men like me...
Only me"
I've adapted that line for many situations in my Life
Works like a charm
People imagined you came back at them for an insult they didn't mean too
no animal can top a lion
I would bet my life a bear would fuck up lion hella bad
one on one the lion is getting raped
Bears have been known to run away from all types of animals in fights.
a tiger would rape a lion and a bear would rape a tiger
well if the tiger did manage to get on the bears back and like sever the spinal cord mybe
Yes, the jury is in on that topic already. The larger bear species are superior fighters to big cats due to sheer size and the ability to fight bipedally.
Eventhough i dont like to admit it, this twisted Lanister family may be may favourite house in game of thrones, everyone but Lancel, Priscilla and Tommen seem to be either supervillains or heroes or both, all very interesting characters that made a huge impact on Westeros..