Base version of a perk right away and charging up a pro version of the same perk is a great fix for this system without removing it completely. Great idea!
It is removing the system. Making a timer that goes down by score is way easier than rebalancing all the perks to fit a secondary effect or invent new features that are worth fighting for
IMO, they won't do that, because it feels like the whole point of the system is to keep some things viable at least partially though match - like Ghost hard-countering UAV, making them quite useless for casual player who can't read map, spawn and other "pro things". Especially with conjunction of current MW2 minimap. There is absolutely an issue with possible snowballing, as ACE said, but maybe they are banking on their matchmaking system to be "fair".
The pro perk idea you mentioned actually makes this style of system something I would love to see for this game and every future call of duty game going forward. See, one of the main reasons why pro perks were removed in the first place is A. They were very difficult to balance, B. It hurt new players because they had to do all these challenges to unlock pro perks whereas every other player already had them and were using the pro perks against them while they were trying to earn theirs. This however, will completely eliminate that issue because new players will have the pro perks as well they just have to earn them during the match just like everyone else. And the balance issue is mitigated by the pro versions of the perks not being there all game and having to be earned.
@Chandler Russell well, most people back in the day, found it annoying to have to deal with other people using the pro perks while they were trying to do the challenges. Not even necessarily something I had a problem with but the community as a large did.
I really miss the system in Ghosts where you had a set amount of points to spend on the class and perks cost different amounts based on how strong they were. It was like pick 10 from Treyarch but more balanced.
@@kraphtykryptic6103 pick 10 is trash. it's way more limiting on how much you can have for your total class. if you were to calculate the number of picks a MW19/MW22 class would have, it would be like 20-30 points worth, so you're getting a lot more per class.
You don't understand companies goals. For example Ace mentioned not being able to call out cheaters when spectating in warzone ( you can't see where they are aiming) This is done intentional because of cheaters. Call it a sloppy cover up if you will.
Ace is thinking about a balanced/fun mp experience. The devs' only concern is player retention. Brcause the more time people invest in a game, the more likely it is that they spend in MXT down the line.
Theyre not trying to fix what isn't broken, they're trying something different, something the community complains about, but don't actually want, and IW can't properly facilitate.
@@anubis4032 yeah thats already been happening for the past 15 years also, theyre not wrong. Doesnt make the games bad but its not like it is not true.
I hard disagree with this take. I like that this new system allows some of the more powerful perks to be in the game. Always having to pick Ghost because it’s the best perk in the game is boring, and this allowed them to create other perks that people care about, while not having to worry about them dominating a whole game, but enabling more unique playstyles near the end. Also, what’s wrong with snowballing? That’s literally what killstreaks have done since CoD 4, if you do good early in the game, you SHOULD have an advantage, and this allows for that. Additionally it pushes everyone to play a bit less campy in the early game because if you don’t get out there and kill, you will be setting yourself behind everyone. I think this systems solves a lot more than you’re giving it credit for, and this video comes off as “I want Ghost from the start like every other call of duty game in existence because I hate innovation or change in a Call of Duty game”.
You're right. I don't feel like I NEED ghost as much in this game because it's not as powerful since I don't have it the whole match. I can have fun picking other perks now.
I agree. Another easy solution would be to just move some of the more important perks like ghost to the base perk slot. The base perks could also be split into two categories to stop everyone just using ghost with overkill, for example.
Counterpoint: what if they want to separate minimap location from the stealth playstyle. I strongly agree with the removal of red dots on the minimap. There are more sophisticated ways of being stealthy than just slapping on ghost
This perk system I feel is a big problem in TDM especially. You say it takes you 5ish minutes to earn your last perk but by that point the score of the game is probably already at 60/75. Barely any TDM games run 10 minutes long. I love the pro perk idea though!
They need to reduce the time significantly to 1 minute bonus, 2 minutes ultimate and if active then that decrease by half, current time is too much.. or they could give us our regular 3 perks and then a bonus one 2 minutes max half the time if active… anything more than 2 min is way too much for any game mode… or the xclusiveace idea of pro perks could work too anything but what we have right now
you're absolutely right about joining a match late. I didn't even think about that. I played very little Cold War and Vanguard, but in MW2019... when I wasn't in a lobby with friends I would play solo and constantly join games already in progress.
Yesterday I was talking to a friend about the perk system and literally said “This perk system is just a snowballing game; one guy pops off and gets 4 kills, pops a UAV and the whole team is screwed.” I only thought of removing the perk system they have entirely and fixing ghost so that people aren’t camping in corners but I agree with your compromise of having 4 regular perks and then getting the pro version of them later on. Even though I highly prefer the old perk system, I am willing to compromise with it.
and once again, that UAV issue is made far worse by the removal of the classic minimap, because now, you have a UAV showing all enemies every couple of seconds and they have 0 idea where anyone in the match is. UAV's are so strong in a game where you have no info on enemies whereabouts so all of these changes they've made with 2019 and now MWII, are kinda destroying the Call of Duty balance that was built up over so many years of learning, they're trying to unlearn what works and what doesn't and it's very weird, idk how they don't realize what they're doing with these changes.
I think this is also made worse by the fact you have to run a preset to have a rocket as a secondary, week two I think it will be more fair as long as you aren't playing on hotel because that map is a pain to shoot down anything in the sky
I think your compromise with pro perks is a great idea. However, I was thinking about crutch perks and I feel like Ghost and Dead Silence are crutch perks that need to be kept in check. Ghost, where it’s only active when moving, is the best way to do it, but Dead Silence needs to replaced with “Ninja” and it should lower footstep volume by 40% at most.
@@playerslayer6923 I mean I ain't gonna say that ghosts was "underrated" but I do feel that it was over hated and while it may not be my favorite cod it did a lot of things right such as the perk system and DLC
@@playerslayer6923 Most of what Ghosts did was bad. The Ghosts perk system wouldn’t really work in MW2 either because a lot of handling as well as movement perks are now a part of the gunsmith and the movement is neutral. Some of Ghosts perks were goofy too.
Meeting in the middle maybe the solution to this very interesting idea, The only problem is that Newer Players may not understand the concept pro perks and view it as op. But nonetheless this is a perfect compromise to an otherwise good step in the right direction in regards to how players are given perks, By making people work for their advantages against thier enemies they offer an interesting solution to camping and sedentary playstyles. Overall Good Job IFW 👏 👍
This is the kind of changes where they know that what they're doing will be hugely impopular but still do it, which means that they won't change their mind.
I love that you don’t just critique these flaws but also offer a solution. On top of that, the solution you have offered is fantastic, I think that’s a great way to incorporate the feature still
If they don’t…. This could be an instant death to the game. Would be rly funny tho how bad IW is at making games if something as easy as spawns and then perks kills their games in back to back releases
The compromise ideas your suggesting at 8:13 are great in my opinion. I hope IW watches this video and considers it. Great job as always Ace. Keep up the good work!
BF4's rounds lasted 25-40 min, so taking 5 min to get all your field upgrades (until losing them on squad wipe) was no big deal. Plus, field upgrades weren't nearly as powerful as CoD perks.
I like the idea of charging up the perks, but if they did choose to keep this I feel like they’d have to rearrange what perks are in the categories a lot more for the sake of balance. The pro perks idea is a great idea as well if they do go towards a rework route like that.
Yeah imo the only way for this current system to not completely fuck up the game is if the most powerful and playstyle defining perks are the ones you always start with. Then the perks that are just nice bonuses like Strong Arm and Double Time you unlock as you go.
The One Boom's idea was pretty good too: 3 base perks like normal, earn a bonus fourth, no restrictions, reduce footstep audio to not require dead silence as a crutch.
I think the perk charge up time is pretty interesting on paper. I noticed you can have 4 perks equipped at any given time. You could start off with the base 3 and then have a 4th stronger perk that’ll take to charge up. Honestly the pro system sounds pretty good too.
Specialist was fine the way it is. The issue with specialist is that it hasn't been added to a game at launch since Ghosts I'm pretty sure. It's always been an after thought since then.
@@dillonc7955 I forgot, did MW19 have specialist optional at launch? If so that would make the statement false. Even though killstreaks were arguably way more powerful and most people went with them. Either way I agree, specialist should stay as it was in previous titles. At the very least they should make it optional instead of having killstreaks/scorestreaks and specialist.
@@dimains6011 a streak of 16 isn't a lot(its usually around that) and if is in a COD with strong perks it gets easy to get nuke after that. Specialist on mw19 was weak, but on mw3 and ghosts was really strong
I think the base vs pro would be a good compromise, or make it so you have to charge perks, but you get to choose from the whole list which ones are your 'base' ones and which ones you charge with no restrictions. If you want to camp, ghost is in your 'base' slot and something like 'scavenger' might be in your 'earned' slot.
your idea with the pro perks is brilliant, that would be so much better... unfortunately as I am waiting for the second beta, this perk system and no traditional minimap if they keep like this, I already know what is coming for this game, if they really listen to feedback they need to change these two things
I got a suggestion that will work for everyone is match time based, even if you jump in late past the time will automatically get that perk. Get a perk every two minutes with no limits on what perk you can pick like ghost or anything.i would suggest a perk that you would start with one perk of your choice and other is super solider but have no effect until you get kills, so every kill you get a perk until you have every perk in the game but you die you start over.
If Infinity Ward really wants to keep this perk “charge up” feature, they absolutely should approach it from the “pro” style system that you outlined. Charging up perks is dumb, but at least the pro model is a system that many players would likely except as a compromise. I have little hope for IW making any changes, but maybe they’ll surprise us.
Your opinion on the ghost perk within this new system is spot on. I have made comments on other channels mentioning how overpowered UAVs felt in this game without any true counter to them. I really hope the devs revert back to the old perk system. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I also REALLY like the idea of keeping this system but replacing the perks unlocked over the course of the match with their pro versions!! OOF that would be nice 🥵
This!!! You've said everything I was thinking and more. That pro perk idea is BRILLIANT! It's such a same i genuinely don't think they're flexible enough to take these ideas on board. They've proven to be arrogant and stubborn with a lot of reasonable feedback.
Sadly yeah, with CoD it´s always a few steps back and occasionally some good new features. Or they implement something that works and that everyone loves in one game, but then the other developer just brings back the shitty feature again...
I wish it wasn’t like that But these ideas Ace mentioned are a great compromise. I am so exited for this game but with all these issues starting to pop up, it all starts to feel like another disappointing game that could have been great
This video really sums up the main issue for me which isn't explicitly mentioned: ghost is the perk that makes the game a camper's delight.If they got rid of ghost completely we wouldn't even be having this conversation
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in an IW meeting about "innovation", or their reasonings for changing the perks system. Like, how in the world did they not think of your Pro perk idea with all the minds there? They're obviously artificially innovating for the sake of innovation, so how do they not make this its best version? Insane.
Exactly... it honestly SERIOUSLY BAFFLES me how a GROUP of people could come up with such idiotic decisions and get the green light, THEN not change their minds after months have gone by... PLUS their inability to think of any good ideas, which stops them from adding anything good into the game - unless they reuse an old feature that has been added before...
Another way is to have the same system as now but have all perks available for base perks and the other 2 can be any perk that charges up so you can put any perk anywhere and then choose your play style so you could in turn have ghost and overkill then charge fast hands and tracker say or fast hands and tracker and then charge ghost and spotter so they can be put in any order you choose
A good innovation would have been having the base perks by default at all times, and then getting with score a "pro" version of the perks. EDIT: Yes I noticed after that he mentioned the same thing. I need to get used to watching full videos before commenting lol
I know dead silence isn’t a perk and won’t be a perk in this game but I think a crazy “pro upgrade” for that alternative idea Ace had for the perk system would be to flip your footstep audio from the enemy’s perspective. So if you were running up to them on their left they would hear footsteps from their right, or if you were running up from behind them they’d hear footsteps from the front of them. It’d be totally broken but I think it’d be hilarious on kill cams to see someone flick the opposite direction of where you coming from thinking they got the drop on you and it would also balance out the increased footstep audio to the point where it’s like “yeah footsteps are louder but you can’t always trust them”
4:30 “Stealthy defensive playstyle” …just say it out loud Ace, we know you mean “camping” playstyle. Anyways it’s dumb that they seem to have added “powerful” perks into the ultimate list without thinking about balancing them. Ghost working all the time instead of moving? Can’t wait for the campers to show halfway in the match. Don’t forget the fact that IW’s so stubborn that they’ve straight up moved the old minimap mechanics to an ultimate perk instead of recognizing they’re wrong.
@@CornFed_3 I mean tbf it's never gonna go away so it is a legitimate playstyle, especially considering certain weapon classes aren't good at for rushing like lmgs and snipers
In modes like Domination and CTF you need to defend objectives, so you end up waiting near them. Ghost is the actual counter to camping, you can camp, take down UAVs, and have team wide Ghost. If Ghost requires movement like you want... then if someone throws up a UAV you can't approach them with Ghost or they hear you. Footstep audio without a reasonable counter is why camping works.
I Agree with everything 100% except . 6:11 This part makes little sense if you just listen to it out loud. You're saying a player who earned mutiple kills should have the reward of earning that kill streak stripped away by a losing player doing nothing but swaping to a perk set up? Mulit kills is the same effort and value of pressing 2 buttons and swaping a perk set. I think you're very wrong on that.
I agree with everything said in this video. Especially the new compromise you suggested with the pro perk system. I'm really enjoying this game, i've probably got 20 hours in the beta already. But it's so frustrating seeing issues and unnecsary gameplay changes still show up after years of asking them to remove it. I really hope this year is different, and that they listen to feedback but I'm starting to lose faith with that
I find it so extremely sad and frustrating when I think of how much better the COD franchise could be if the developers just listened to the feedback and opinions of the community, i.e. the people who actually buy and play the game. Instead the devs seems to be entirely obsessed with desperately trying to attract new players, at the expense of their most loyal customers. They also fail to realize that, people willing to buy the game annually and spend hundreds or thousands of hours each year playing it, is a rather limited market when there's isn't world wide lockdowns due to a pandemic!
I really feel like they're gonna refuse to budge on how they've made this perk system. If that's the case then I really wish the dead silence field upgrade also hides you from UAV's when active if you're on the move. If footstep audio remains the same then dead silence is gonna be a crutch field upgrade and I know even more so if they changed it to the Vanguard version.
@@CornFed_3 Except they weren't in MW1, MW2, Black ops 1, black ops 2, MW3, Ghost, Advanced Warfare, BO3, Infinite Warfare, but yeah other than they they have been a crutch in every game. This is because Infinity Ward has created this issue because they have made gameplay decisions that make the game impossible to play without things like dead silence because of deafeningly loud footsteps and UAV spam because of no radar pings when people fire makes ghost a crutch. They are trying to solve a problem that didn't exist until they created it.
@@How2HateYT, they were crutch during all games, but not as much as recent releases. I’ll agree with you on that. I’m sure the audio engine will get some tuning prior to release since it’s entirely brand new. The mini-map is complete bullshit though. I’ve never understood why they changed it. Simping to new/bad players is the worst move they could make. We shouldn’t have to wait 5+ minutes for Birds Eye to get a proper mini-map.
@@How2HateYT MW2019, CW and now MWII2022 all have the same footstep audio issues. Vanguard is the only recent CoD that doesn't have that issue but that's not saying much since that game is a bug riddled mess.
@@CornFed_3 No they weren't. In MW1 You had Stopping Power, Jugg, Sleight of Hand, Double tap, and overkill all used over UAV Jammer. Then you had Extreme conditioning, Steady aim, last stand, martydom, iron lungs all used as much or over dead silence (which was a 75% silence) In MW2 you had Stopping power, danger close, hardline and lightweight in the same tier as cold blooded. then you had commando, steady aim, scrambler, sitrep and last stand in the same tier as Ninja (again not completely silent 4x more silent). and I know you arent going to say ninja was used over commando, last stand or steady aim in that game. In BO1 You had flak jacket, hardline, scavenger, and lightweight in the same tier as ghost, which meant taking ghost made you weak to explosives, not be able to resupply ammo or move slower, additionally hardline pro allowed a care package reroll which was extremely good. Then you had tac mask, marathon, hacker and second chance in the tier with ninja, almost all of which were used more than those in any game mode that wasn't search. I'm not going to go through every game, because you can see what I'm saying. This "myth" that dead silence and ghost have always been crutch perks is just that a myth.
I think going back to 3 perks, organized into tiers, and charging to a pro version is probably the best way that IW could move forward. It maintains a baseline benefit for all perk slots and innovates on the formula to give players who are performing very well additional tools in their kit.
Love that you’re honest about your feed back. Judging from the past 2 years and the current state of the game, I probably won’t get this one or wait till year 2 tbh
I feel like Ghosts had the best perk system for MP, having a set amount of points and being able to "spend" them on perks with the better ones using more points. The variety of perks and the amount gave a good amount of play styles that could be used.
Ill never understand how developers who do this as a full time job and that went to school for this field can't have better ideas than a youtuber just throwing out suggestions. I really think call of duty in general would be a better game if they hired someone like Ace for ideas because he clearly has a better understanding of the game as a whole than the devs themselves.
I really do like the concept they were going for with the perks but I haven't had time to figure out the system yet. I will probably have to jump on the open beta to see how it plays. So far all I have seen is some issues with snowballing and catch-up for late-game joiners. I do like the idea of making the system geared towards ultimate versions of each perk despite how much fear I have going around the map when people have standing ghost lol.
Despite what he says, no one is getting killed just because of a uav. All a uav does is give a location, and you know that your opponent has your location and is heading towards you so use that information to your advantage. Once they get to you, they still have to shoot at you like normal regardless of uav so it really doesn't help them much other than finding you since it doesn't magically help their gun handling. You have just as much a chance to kill them as they do you. And I wish he wouldn't act like his idea is a benefit to everyone cause it's not. It would completely ruin my playstyle at launch since I plan to use stuff like heartbeat sensors and thermals at launch and would switch over to other stuff as the match goes on. Also, I'd much rather earn a entire new perk over time(seriously, stop using the word charge incorrectly) instead of just getting some shitty new part to a perk I already have. This perk system ensures that stuff like thermals, heartbeat sensors, spotter scops, ai controlled killsteaks, and even the mini map actually get some use. In past cods, I completely stopped using the mini map since almost everyone had ghost and cold-blooded half the time which just made it useless, and know thanks to this system I have finally started using it again since I know it will actually work early game, even though it doesn't guarantee me a kill. It is stupid to make anti killstreak perks immediately available since they just make someone's hard-earned kill streak entirely useless and defeats the purpose of them existing. Example, in vanguard, I've gotten killstreaks that require me to aim them, but when I try to use them, I can't see a single enemy on the map cause everyone is running cold-blooded. And this isn't a one off thing, it's been like that in every cod I've played that had cold-blooded.
I think they should give us 3 or 4 perks to start the match and then I also like the idea of an ultimate or super perk/ability that slowly gets charged like an ultimate field upgrade if your perform well and can use towards the end of a match. This could be a whole new class of perks/abilities that we have never seen before.
I just don’t feel like I can commit to any play style when the perk system built around it isn’t complete until the late portions of a match. It makes the perks feel somewhat inconsequential which is no fun.
You can't commit to much of anything until the full game is out tbh. You're missing kit that would fit your playstyle and the perk system is supposed to supplement that.
@@FireTrainer92 It's a locked feature because they want it to be, doesn't mean it's not in the game already though. Probably will be able to next weekend
@@retrocd8976 That's my point though. A lot of the stuff that people have problems with have answers locked behind stuff that we can't really play with as freely as we would when the game is actually out so it's hard to judge certain things. People are saying UAVs overpowered but we only have one class that has access to launchers and it's a class that people don't want to play with.
It's a damn shame the they haven't really addressed most of my problems with mw2019 while introducing new ones (like the perk system), but I've been having way more fun in this beta compared to my time with mw2019 and that's literally just because the maps are sooooooo much better
Agreed! The maps are very good in this game. The gun ranking, while complicated, actually seems decent and encourages changing weapons. Give us a proper mini map Give us normal perks Give us dull footsteps of deadly as a perk. Give us this and the game will be in a very good shape.
SH tried to mess with the perks in WWII and eventually changed it. IW doesn’t listen to the community the same way SH does though so I’m worried this will not change.
Devs seem obsessed with the charge-up system, for some reason. Started with field upgrades, then equipment, now perks. I can live with the first two, but for perks it makes no sense. Best case scenario, if the perk-charge-up mechanic sticks, is what you described with the base perk/pro-perk charge-up mechanic. Otherwise, scrap the whole thing and go back to all selected perks active at spawn. My favorite perk system was, actually, in Ghosts where perks had points assigned to them and you could spend your points on whatever perks you wanted until you ran out of points. Didn’t matter what tier the perk was in, if you had points left you could use it.
I love the new perk system, you have to earn to be OP and not just start out OP, and you can sprint around bunny jumping silent like a ninja 🥳 The game feels much more balanced now.
I don’t know if they listen but the devs should really listen to your feedback. Throughout all the recent COD you always have a sensible middle ground option that can make players happy and keep the devs vision
It's absolutely insane that they have thousands of people and YEARS of time and can't figure out what would work well but single people in the community instantly come up with better ways to do things.
As a higher skilled player I like being able to earn perks before others when playing well, but you make excellent points about snowballing and joining games in progress. I think the base and pro perks idea is fantastic, as it still creates an element of dynamic play style throughout the match without having to completely avoid certain play styles for half the game
A permanent Ghost perk is an absolutely non-negotiable piece of any Call of Duty. They MUST change this. The snowballing effect you referred to is very real and completely ruins the experience.
We don't need compromise, we need to go back to the way it was. Why do we get things that 100 percent of the community is AGAINST AND HATES... I paid $74 fucking dollars for this piece of shit game. It needs to be better.
I think the main problem with MW2 just like the 2019 version is instead of creating the MP separate from the BR they've tried to get a middle ground between both modes and it doesn't work. The devs need to realise what makes a good MP experience doesn't make a good BR experience and vice versa. I get they want continuity between all game modes but its at the expense of the overall player experience
Although your compromise idea is great, and is the better version of this system, I’d much rather see them scrap it and use the traditional system along with being able to unlock pro perks. Basically just OG MW2 that system is goated. Really hope they listen to you and the community’s feedback on this one. 🙏🏼
I kinda like the system they’re going for but I have no idea what they were going for with the time limit aspect of it. I like the base perks and bonus perk and ultimate perk. There’s a lot of trade offs when selecting a perk
What if you play SND and want ghost?. They're hell bent on ruining SND with dead silence and ghost missing, They're trying to reinvent the wheel but it came out square.
ngl if this system in the video is implemented I think dead silence could be a perk that is really balanced, so when you spawn in the perk only muffles your movement sound while when its "upgraded" it will actually become silence
Exactly. No more stealth play style. Enemy UAV is up. Well time to camp like no tomorrow. The team with the most UAV win. 100% As a stealth flanking playstyle playing the beta really change my style of play to more of a defend style / camp / head glitch from distance. That an interesting concept with pro perk. Was thinking like remove the concept of base,bonus,ultimate category. All perk unlock with no category attached to. The player choose 2 perk to start off with, then choose what their perk 3 and perk 4 while unlocking it mid game. I don't know about you but the bird prey and survivor perk should be switch with different perks. Bird prey perk to ninja or Lightweight ( lighter footstep) Survivor perk to awareness or amplify. Hopefully the pro perk concept or this one is added to it. That plus the normal mini map
I think that it is also well worth mentioning how much more this system favors game modes where score per minute among the average player tends to be higher such as hard point and kill confirmed as compared to round based game modes such as search and destroy where even if you are playing extremely well the score depends a lot on many things going your way (you get to plant bomb, enemy attacks bomb site that you are defending) which is placing more rng into a game that doesn't necessarily need it.
Honestly, I think just putting 'op', meta- and gamestyle-defining perks into the starter perk slot while having you unlock quality of life stuff like strong arm later in the game would make this system already miles better, if they choose not to compromise
How has Activision not hired you yet? Seriously, they would be well served to have a voice like yours evaluating things they want to implement. This video is so on point. I couldn't agree more. Cheers.
What's even worse about this perk system is SBMM. You are far more likely to join a match in progress with this system thus further distorting the "character building" style the devs stated they were going for. Also I like your idea for a revised version of the current system. One extra thing I would add is upon joining a match in progress, the average score of all players there is also calculated and put into the joining player's perk progress. If they will not remove SBMM or regulate it to a "Ranked" mode, then I believe this is a must-have
Yet again, it's Infinity Ward's year to release their COD and they still released an awful COD. The only time they every did it right was MW3, but that's because it was basically like MW2 so they couldn't get it wrong. Ghost, IW, MW2019 where all the worst COD's and here you go, they top that with MW2022. Even Sledgehammer my balls makes better games. For the love of god Treyarch, save us!!!!
100% agree with the UAV stacking issue and have experienced that already in this beta. Last night had multiple games where the enemy team had constant UAVs and we were just getting slaughtered because they always knew where we were
If they want to balance perks then just bring back the Ghosts perk system e.g. have 10 points to spend on perks and the stronger perks take up more points than the weaker ones
Watch your idea be exactly what they’re already thinking about but since it’s beta, we don’t have those kind of pro perks yet until the game actually comes out. Great thinking!
I've tried explaining the snowballing thing to a couple other people as an issue and as a comment in another creators video and all those people gave me was "Don't think that's how it works". So glad to hear I'm not insane for thinking that. I honestly think unsuppressed gunfire red dots on the minimap would help with that too, as the minimap is useless until you get that UAV, so no one is paying attention to it. I've seen so many teammates shoot at each other out of pure reaction in this CoD beta in core then I have in my time playing CoD.
Honestly no matter what they do with the perk system it won’t be a deal breaker for me, however I really like your idea and I think that would be a much better way to go about it
horrible all around just because someone put time into something thats shit does not mean they cant throw it away its like saying a restaurant spent 2 hours making your meal and its dogshit but they still insist on serving it to you cause it took so long
I don't disagree with you on this point per say, Ace but... "this game could've been so much better if we just had a normal perk system" like there are FAR bigger issues with this game than just the perk system, not that i'm saying MWII is bad, but no red dots on the Minimap, no Ninja and overly loud footsteps, the ttk is inconsistent, the muzzle flash can be a little ridiculous, the spawns, all of those are definitely bigger issues than this perk system, so it's by far not the thing that would hold this game back from being great.
I’ve been playing CoD since Black Ops 1 (I was a late adopter of the franchise) I bought every version since then until last year, and after playing the beta I don’t think I’ll be buying this years version either. For the exact reasons you’ve specified in this video. In past games I’ve varied from a 1.2 KD to a 2 KD depending on the title. The games are basically a race now for the first team to get a UAV. It’s frustrating and in the three times I’ve played the beta this weekend I’ve turned it off within 3 games. My flanking play style doesn’t exist until late in games when I get ghost. The amount of times I’ve ran down an obvious flank route this weekend just to find someone waiting for me in a corner or on a head glitch at the other end was insane. With the other equipment now to spot people (like the added cameras) I don’t know why Ghost has been gated off to the last part of games. As long as its the ghost version where you have to be moving I don’t see an issue with it. No ghost and the addition of footsteps you could track an ant by, it just gives corner campers more incentive to never move. Before adding the bouncing Betty’s and claymores to secure their tents.
bUt InFiNiTy WarD iz ZaVinG CoD... IW is extraordinary with the engine. No CoD can top that, but with MP fundamentals, they are incredibly off with the community. Infinity Ward protects noobs, that's why we have those types of "great decisions". I totally stand with you Ace, even the Pro Perk idea is amazing if they insist having charge perk rates. No red dots, no ninja as a perk, no good perk system, are deal breaking for me.
I can say with confidence this entire system is done to make SBMM more strict without altering SBMM. Think about it, the SBMM should in theory keep snowballing from happening. Thus this new system exists to promote snowballing. This ends up creating an second layer. On one side if you do inch ahead it softens how bad your match will be if your team has UAVs and their perks ahead of time, while on the other dropping down is now really hard. This isn't for pros, casuals, or anyone. It is to make SBMM provide even closer matches for their retention based system at the expense of enjoyment for everyone.
So far love this game however. The biggest problem in this game. Is a mixture of a few things Mashed together. Because of lack of traditional mimi map. Traditional perk system. And a footstep sound nerf. It's made the uav by far the best scorestreak in the game. And it's very easy to earn. So there is constant uav spam. You can't hide from it until you earn ghost. Which is an ultimate perk. (if you even have it selected) That takes up to 4 mins ( half the game) for a good player and 8 mins at default for an average player. This also makes ghost a crunch perk. Something call of duty said they were moving away from years ago. People camp in corners waiting for you to move because they can hear you a mile away. So do you see how all these things combined are actually game breaking? Easy fixes. The return of a traditional mini map with red dots. Lower the overall audio level of footsteps across the board. Give us a ninja perk that reduces sound. Not totally silent. Keep dead silence field upgrade. But do it like vanguard and make it additionally grant you ghost while you have it activated. Make the ghost park only active while you moving. And move it to the park 1 basic perk slot. All problems fixed
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Base version of a perk right away and charging up a pro version of the same perk is a great fix for this system without removing it completely. Great idea!
It is removing the system. Making a timer that goes down by score is way easier than rebalancing all the perks to fit a secondary effect or invent new features that are worth fighting for
IMO, they won't do that, because it feels like the whole point of the system is to keep some things viable at least partially though match - like Ghost hard-countering UAV, making them quite useless for casual player who can't read map, spawn and other "pro things". Especially with conjunction of current MW2 minimap. There is absolutely an issue with possible snowballing, as ACE said, but maybe they are banking on their matchmaking system to be "fair".
Amazing idea!
Totally agreed
absolutely
The pro perk idea you mentioned actually makes this style of system something I would love to see for this game and every future call of duty game going forward. See, one of the main reasons why pro perks were removed in the first place is A. They were very difficult to balance, B. It hurt new players because they had to do all these challenges to unlock pro perks whereas every other player already had them and were using the pro perks against them while they were trying to earn theirs. This however, will completely eliminate that issue because new players will have the pro perks as well they just have to earn them during the match just like everyone else. And the balance issue is mitigated by the pro versions of the perks not being there all game and having to be earned.
@Chandler Russell well, most people back in the day, found it annoying to have to deal with other people using the pro perks while they were trying to do the challenges. Not even necessarily something I had a problem with but the community as a large did.
Nah... I preffered that healthy jealousy for getting better , earning killstreaks and upgrading to PRO
Wow. Having the base version right away and charging up to the pro is PERFECT. Hopefully the devs hear this out.
More chance of winning lottery
i swear there was a CoD that did this but i cant remember tbh
@@SuicidalChocolateSK mw3, you could do that instead of kill streaks (I think)
We are talking IW here tho...Joe ain't changing shit for the better
@@bushmonster1702 but they asked for feedback so that means they’re open to changing the game right? …right?????😢
I really miss the system in Ghosts where you had a set amount of points to spend on the class and perks cost different amounts based on how strong they were. It was like pick 10 from Treyarch but more balanced.
LMAO same remember the deadeye perk with mtarx literally deleting people .... good times man
I miss the one from black ops 2 with pick 10 and wild cards. You want more attachments or more perks or tacticals
Déad silence and amplify were great perks in ghosts. Amplify silenced team mates footsteps plus it made dead silence less op
I was really hoping for a 👻 2
@@kraphtykryptic6103 pick 10 is trash. it's way more limiting on how much you can have for your total class. if you were to calculate the number of picks a MW19/MW22 class would have, it would be like 20-30 points worth, so you're getting a lot more per class.
Ace coming up with better ideas than a company honestly think that's a great idea with the pro perk thing
Pro perks was not his idea. Been around for a long time.
@@mash2481 I know pro perks wasn't his idea the idea of not scarping their perks thing and instead doing it so it turns into a pro perk
You don't understand companies goals. For example Ace mentioned not being able to call out cheaters when spectating in warzone ( you can't see where they are aiming)
This is done intentional because of cheaters. Call it a sloppy cover up if you will.
@@Titan1x77b what's this in response to
Ace is thinking about a balanced/fun mp experience.
The devs' only concern is player retention.
Brcause the more time people invest in a game, the more likely it is that they spend in MXT down the line.
I really like your pro perk idea. Sounds like it would add a bunch to the gameplay - not just a bandaid to fix this botched system
They have got to stop fixing things that aren’t broken. 🤦🏻♂️
Then people will complain every game is the same
Theyre not trying to fix what isn't broken, they're trying something different, something the community complains about, but don't actually want, and IW can't properly facilitate.
@@anubis4032 so let them
@@anubis4032 yeah thats already been happening for the past 15 years also, theyre not wrong. Doesnt make the games bad but its not like it is not true.
@@anubis4032 f those people they will complain about anything.
I hard disagree with this take. I like that this new system allows some of the more powerful perks to be in the game. Always having to pick Ghost because it’s the best perk in the game is boring, and this allowed them to create other perks that people care about, while not having to worry about them dominating a whole game, but enabling more unique playstyles near the end. Also, what’s wrong with snowballing? That’s literally what killstreaks have done since CoD 4, if you do good early in the game, you SHOULD have an advantage, and this allows for that. Additionally it pushes everyone to play a bit less campy in the early game because if you don’t get out there and kill, you will be setting yourself behind everyone. I think this systems solves a lot more than you’re giving it credit for, and this video comes off as “I want Ghost from the start like every other call of duty game in existence because I hate innovation or change in a Call of Duty game”.
"I hate innovation or change in a Call of Duty game" has basically been every take Ace is putting out lately.
You're right. I don't feel like I NEED ghost as much in this game because it's not as powerful since I don't have it the whole match. I can have fun picking other perks now.
That Pro Perk compromise is genius
Hai
I agree. Another easy solution would be to just move some of the more important perks like ghost to the base perk slot. The base perks could also be split into two categories to stop everyone just using ghost with overkill, for example.
The pro perk thing is something I could get behind, regular perks just kinda been meh
Counterpoint: what if they want to separate minimap location from the stealth playstyle. I strongly agree with the removal of red dots on the minimap. There are more sophisticated ways of being stealthy than just slapping on ghost
This perk system I feel is a big problem in TDM especially. You say it takes you 5ish minutes to earn your last perk but by that point the score of the game is probably already at 60/75. Barely any TDM games run 10 minutes long. I love the pro perk idea though!
Exactly
Honestly they should tune it per mode because this seems perfectly fine for TDM not sure about some of the other modes
They need to reduce the time significantly to 1 minute bonus, 2 minutes ultimate and if active then that decrease by half, current time is too much.. or they could give us our regular 3 perks and then a bonus one 2 minutes max half the time if active… anything more than 2 min is way too much for any game mode… or the xclusiveace idea of pro perks could work too anything but what we have right now
That’s why I’ve never been a fan of TDM. Games end far too soon
More then half the game the charge time is to long to slow
you're absolutely right about joining a match late. I didn't even think about that. I played very little Cold War and Vanguard, but in MW2019... when I wasn't in a lobby with friends I would play solo and constantly join games already in progress.
Yesterday I was talking to a friend about the perk system and literally said “This perk system is just a snowballing game; one guy pops off and gets 4 kills, pops a UAV and the whole team is screwed.” I only thought of removing the perk system they have entirely and fixing ghost so that people aren’t camping in corners but I agree with your compromise of having 4 regular perks and then getting the pro version of them later on. Even though I highly prefer the old perk system, I am willing to compromise with it.
and once again, that UAV issue is made far worse by the removal of the classic minimap, because now, you have a UAV showing all enemies every couple of seconds and they have 0 idea where anyone in the match is. UAV's are so strong in a game where you have no info on enemies whereabouts so all of these changes they've made with 2019 and now MWII, are kinda destroying the Call of Duty balance that was built up over so many years of learning, they're trying to unlearn what works and what doesn't and it's very weird, idk how they don't realize what they're doing with these changes.
I think this is also made worse by the fact you have to run a preset to have a rocket as a secondary, week two I think it will be more fair as long as you aren't playing on hotel because that map is a pain to shoot down anything in the sky
I think your compromise with pro perks is a great idea. However, I was thinking about crutch perks and I feel like Ghost and Dead Silence are crutch perks that need to be kept in check. Ghost, where it’s only active when moving, is the best way to do it, but Dead Silence needs to replaced with “Ninja” and it should lower footstep volume by 40% at most.
I was hoping they would bring back the ghost's perk system cause it worked so well
People only hate that because it was in a game that didn’t like
@@playerslayer6923 i heard some influencers saying that the system was too complex to be good
@@playerslayer6923 I mean I ain't gonna say that ghosts was "underrated" but I do feel that it was over hated and while it may not be my favorite cod it did a lot of things right such as the perk system and DLC
@@playerslayer6923 Most of what Ghosts did was bad. The Ghosts perk system wouldn’t really work in MW2 either because a lot of handling as well as movement perks are now a part of the gunsmith and the movement is neutral. Some of Ghosts perks were goofy too.
@@hachelyd_i3232 how would assigning perks a numerical value and giving you a limited number of perk points not work in this game?
Meeting in the middle maybe the solution to this very interesting idea, The only problem is that Newer Players may not understand the concept pro perks and view it as op. But nonetheless this is a perfect compromise to an otherwise good step in the right direction in regards to how players are given perks, By making people work for their advantages against thier enemies they offer an interesting solution to camping and sedentary playstyles. Overall Good Job IFW 👏 👍
This is the kind of changes where they know that what they're doing will be hugely impopular but still do it, which means that they won't change their mind.
I love that you don’t just critique these flaws but also offer a solution. On top of that, the solution you have offered is fantastic, I think that’s a great way to incorporate the feature still
I really hope they decide to go back on this system. I know it’s probably too late but I can dream.
If they don’t…. This could be an instant death to the game. Would be rly funny tho how bad IW is at making games if something as easy as spawns and then perks kills their games in back to back releases
The perks are already split into 3 categories so I have a hard time believing that they couldn’t revert it if they really wanted 2
@@TheJonesmonster55 ong infinity ward just puts out straight garbage 😭😭
The compromise ideas your suggesting at 8:13 are great in my opinion. I hope IW watches this video and considers it. Great job as always Ace. Keep up the good work!
This system reminds me a lot of Battlefield's field upgrades. They were perks that you got by doing squad-related objectives or just killing enemies.
BF4's rounds lasted 25-40 min, so taking 5 min to get all your field upgrades (until losing them on squad wipe) was no big deal. Plus, field upgrades weren't nearly as powerful as CoD perks.
I like the idea of charging up the perks, but if they did choose to keep this I feel like they’d have to rearrange what perks are in the categories a lot more for the sake of balance. The pro perks idea is a great idea as well if they do go towards a rework route like that.
Yeah imo the only way for this current system to not completely fuck up the game is if the most powerful and playstyle defining perks are the ones you always start with. Then the perks that are just nice bonuses like Strong Arm and Double Time you unlock as you go.
The One Boom's idea was pretty good too:
3 base perks like normal, earn a bonus fourth, no restrictions, reduce footstep audio to not require dead silence as a crutch.
I think the perk charge up time is pretty interesting on paper. I noticed you can have 4 perks equipped at any given time. You could start off with the base 3 and then have a 4th stronger perk that’ll take to charge up. Honestly the pro system sounds pretty good too.
I feel like this was a thought for a “specialist” improvement, but someone thought it was a great idea for the base perk system.
it is a streak system for perks, rewards better players, but without doing something op like specialist bonus
@@pietro0games Specialist wasn't overpowered. You had to stay alive and do all the work yourself without any help from killstreaks
Specialist was fine the way it is. The issue with specialist is that it hasn't been added to a game at launch since Ghosts I'm pretty sure. It's always been an after thought since then.
@@dillonc7955 I forgot, did MW19 have specialist optional at launch? If so that would make the statement false. Even though killstreaks were arguably way more powerful and most people went with them. Either way I agree, specialist should stay as it was in previous titles. At the very least they should make it optional instead of having killstreaks/scorestreaks and specialist.
@@dimains6011 a streak of 16 isn't a lot(its usually around that) and if is in a COD with strong perks it gets easy to get nuke after that. Specialist on mw19 was weak, but on mw3 and ghosts was really strong
I think the base vs pro would be a good compromise, or make it so you have to charge perks, but you get to choose from the whole list which ones are your 'base' ones and which ones you charge with no restrictions. If you want to camp, ghost is in your 'base' slot and something like 'scavenger' might be in your 'earned' slot.
your idea with the pro perks is brilliant, that would be so much better... unfortunately as I am waiting for the second beta, this perk system and no traditional minimap if they keep like this, I already know what is coming for this game, if they really listen to feedback they need to change these two things
I got a suggestion that will work for everyone is match time based, even if you jump in late past the time will automatically get that perk. Get a perk every two minutes with no limits on what perk you can pick like ghost or anything.i would suggest a perk that you would start with one perk of your choice and other is super solider but have no effect until you get kills, so every kill you get a perk until you have every perk in the game but you die you start over.
If Infinity Ward really wants to keep this perk “charge up” feature, they absolutely should approach it from the “pro” style system that you outlined. Charging up perks is dumb, but at least the pro model is a system that many players would likely except as a compromise. I have little hope for IW making any changes, but maybe they’ll surprise us.
Your opinion on the ghost perk within this new system is spot on. I have made comments on other channels mentioning how overpowered UAVs felt in this game without any true counter to them. I really hope the devs revert back to the old perk system. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I also REALLY like the idea of keeping this system but replacing the perks unlocked over the course of the match with their pro versions!! OOF that would be nice 🥵
This!!! You've said everything I was thinking and more. That pro perk idea is BRILLIANT! It's such a same i genuinely don't think they're flexible enough to take these ideas on board. They've proven to be arrogant and stubborn with a lot of reasonable feedback.
Hey, can I get a normal minimap that we've had for 10+ years
Iw: absolutely not, are you an idiot?
Sadly yeah, with CoD it´s always a few steps back and occasionally some good new features. Or they implement something that works and that everyone loves in one game, but then the other developer just brings back the shitty feature again...
I wish it wasn’t like that
But these ideas Ace mentioned are a great compromise. I am so exited for this game but with all these issues starting to pop up, it all starts to feel like another disappointing game that could have been great
This video really sums up the main issue for me which isn't explicitly mentioned: ghost is the perk that makes the game a camper's delight.If they got rid of ghost completely we wouldn't even be having this conversation
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in an IW meeting about "innovation", or their reasonings for changing the perks system. Like, how in the world did they not think of your Pro perk idea with all the minds there? They're obviously artificially innovating for the sake of innovation, so how do they not make this its best version?
Insane.
Exactly... it honestly SERIOUSLY BAFFLES me how a GROUP of people could come up with such idiotic decisions and get the green light, THEN not change their minds after months have gone by... PLUS their inability to think of any good ideas, which stops them from adding anything good into the game - unless they reuse an old feature that has been added before...
Another way is to have the same system as now but have all perks available for base perks and the other 2 can be any perk that charges up so you can put any perk anywhere and then choose your play style so you could in turn have ghost and overkill then charge fast hands and tracker say or fast hands and tracker and then charge ghost and spotter so they can be put in any order you choose
A good innovation would have been having the base perks by default at all times, and then getting with score a "pro" version of the perks.
EDIT: Yes I noticed after that he mentioned the same thing. I need to get used to watching full videos before commenting lol
Yeah basically what Ace said, if they did do that I'd be perfectly happy, but not time gating 2 perks.
It’s like you watched the video or something 🥱
That would make too much sense for Infinity Ward
that's what he said in the video.
cheers geoff
I know dead silence isn’t a perk and won’t be a perk in this game but I think a crazy “pro upgrade” for that alternative idea Ace had for the perk system would be to flip your footstep audio from the enemy’s perspective. So if you were running up to them on their left they would hear footsteps from their right, or if you were running up from behind them they’d hear footsteps from the front of them.
It’d be totally broken but I think it’d be hilarious on kill cams to see someone flick the opposite direction of where you coming from thinking they got the drop on you and it would also balance out the increased footstep audio to the point where it’s like “yeah footsteps are louder but you can’t always trust them”
4:30 “Stealthy defensive playstyle” …just say it out loud Ace, we know you mean “camping” playstyle.
Anyways it’s dumb that they seem to have added “powerful” perks into the ultimate list without thinking about balancing them. Ghost working all the time instead of moving? Can’t wait for the campers to show halfway in the match. Don’t forget the fact that IW’s so stubborn that they’ve straight up moved the old minimap mechanics to an ultimate perk instead of recognizing they’re wrong.
Halfway?
They still camp even with uav up because they can hear you across the map
I always laugh when people defend camping playstyles.
@@CornFed_3 I mean tbf it's never gonna go away so it is a legitimate playstyle, especially considering certain weapon classes aren't good at for rushing like lmgs and snipers
In modes like Domination and CTF you need to defend objectives, so you end up waiting near them.
Ghost is the actual counter to camping, you can camp, take down UAVs, and have team wide Ghost. If Ghost requires movement like you want... then if someone throws up a UAV you can't approach them with Ghost or they hear you.
Footstep audio without a reasonable counter is why camping works.
I Agree with everything 100% except . 6:11 This part makes little sense if you just listen to it out loud. You're saying a player who earned mutiple kills should have the reward of earning that kill streak stripped away by a losing player doing nothing but swaping to a perk set up? Mulit kills is the same effort and value of pressing 2 buttons and swaping a perk set. I think you're very wrong on that.
I agree with everything said in this video. Especially the new compromise you suggested with the pro perk system. I'm really enjoying this game, i've probably got 20 hours in the beta already. But it's so frustrating seeing issues and unnecsary gameplay changes still show up after years of asking them to remove it. I really hope this year is different, and that they listen to feedback but I'm starting to lose faith with that
I find it so extremely sad and frustrating when I think of how much better the COD franchise could be if the developers just listened to the feedback and opinions of the community, i.e. the people who actually buy and play the game. Instead the devs seems to be entirely obsessed with desperately trying to attract new players, at the expense of their most loyal customers. They also fail to realize that, people willing to buy the game annually and spend hundreds or thousands of hours each year playing it, is a rather limited market when there's isn't world wide lockdowns due to a pandemic!
I really feel like they're gonna refuse to budge on how they've made this perk system. If that's the case then I really wish the dead silence field upgrade also hides you from UAV's when active if you're on the move. If footstep audio remains the same then dead silence is gonna be a crutch field upgrade and I know even more so if they changed it to the Vanguard version.
Dead Silence/Ninja have always been a crutch and nothing will ever change it.
@@CornFed_3 Except they weren't in MW1, MW2, Black ops 1, black ops 2, MW3, Ghost, Advanced Warfare, BO3, Infinite Warfare, but yeah other than they they have been a crutch in every game. This is because Infinity Ward has created this issue because they have made gameplay decisions that make the game impossible to play without things like dead silence because of deafeningly loud footsteps and UAV spam because of no radar pings when people fire makes ghost a crutch. They are trying to solve a problem that didn't exist until they created it.
@@How2HateYT, they were crutch during all games, but not as much as recent releases. I’ll agree with you on that. I’m sure the audio engine will get some tuning prior to release since it’s entirely brand new. The mini-map is complete bullshit though. I’ve never understood why they changed it. Simping to new/bad players is the worst move they could make. We shouldn’t have to wait 5+ minutes for Birds Eye to get a proper mini-map.
@@How2HateYT MW2019, CW and now MWII2022 all have the same footstep audio issues. Vanguard is the only recent CoD that doesn't have that issue but that's not saying much since that game is a bug riddled mess.
@@CornFed_3 No they weren't.
In MW1 You had Stopping Power, Jugg, Sleight of Hand, Double tap, and overkill all used over UAV Jammer.
Then you had Extreme conditioning, Steady aim, last stand, martydom, iron lungs all used as much or over dead silence (which was a 75% silence)
In MW2 you had Stopping power, danger close, hardline and lightweight in the same tier as cold blooded.
then you had commando, steady aim, scrambler, sitrep and last stand in the same tier as Ninja (again not completely silent 4x more silent). and I know you arent going to say ninja was used over commando, last stand or steady aim in that game.
In BO1 You had flak jacket, hardline, scavenger, and lightweight in the same tier as ghost, which meant taking ghost made you weak to explosives, not be able to resupply ammo or move slower, additionally hardline pro allowed a care package reroll which was extremely good.
Then you had tac mask, marathon, hacker and second chance in the tier with ninja, almost all of which were used more than those in any game mode that wasn't search.
I'm not going to go through every game, because you can see what I'm saying. This "myth" that dead silence and ghost have always been crutch perks is just that a myth.
I think going back to 3 perks, organized into tiers, and charging to a pro version is probably the best way that IW could move forward.
It maintains a baseline benefit for all perk slots and innovates on the formula to give players who are performing very well additional tools in their kit.
Love that you’re honest about your feed back. Judging from the past 2 years and the current state of the game, I probably won’t get this one or wait till year 2 tbh
I feel like Ghosts had the best perk system for MP, having a set amount of points and being able to "spend" them on perks with the better ones using more points. The variety of perks and the amount gave a good amount of play styles that could be used.
one of my favorite things about ghosts
Much agreed, this is one thing to bring back without bastardizing the original concept. It's a solid idea that's shown it's worth
I hate how you only can get dead silence once every minutes it needs to be a perk so you can infinitely have it
I can't be the only one that is excited about a UAV before halfway through the match actually doing something vs a lobby full of Ghost users right?
Ill never understand how developers who do this as a full time job and that went to school for this field can't have better ideas than a youtuber just throwing out suggestions. I really think call of duty in general would be a better game if they hired someone like Ace for ideas because he clearly has a better understanding of the game as a whole than the devs themselves.
@No Nope Yup the good old days. Really wish they would listen to feedback rather than ignoring everyone.
Love it when they try to reinvent the wheel like with this perk system, lobby disbanding and removing red dots from the minimap:)
I really do like the concept they were going for with the perks but I haven't had time to figure out the system yet. I will probably have to jump on the open beta to see how it plays. So far all I have seen is some issues with snowballing and catch-up for late-game joiners. I do like the idea of making the system geared towards ultimate versions of each perk despite how much fear I have going around the map when people have standing ghost lol.
Despite what he says, no one is getting killed just because of a uav. All a uav does is give a location, and you know that your opponent has your location and is heading towards you so use that information to your advantage. Once they get to you, they still have to shoot at you like normal regardless of uav so it really doesn't help them much other than finding you since it doesn't magically help their gun handling. You have just as much a chance to kill them as they do you. And I wish he wouldn't act like his idea is a benefit to everyone cause it's not. It would completely ruin my playstyle at launch since I plan to use stuff like heartbeat sensors and thermals at launch and would switch over to other stuff as the match goes on. Also, I'd much rather earn a entire new perk over time(seriously, stop using the word charge incorrectly) instead of just getting some shitty new part to a perk I already have. This perk system ensures that stuff like thermals, heartbeat sensors, spotter scops, ai controlled killsteaks, and even the mini map actually get some use. In past cods, I completely stopped using the mini map since almost everyone had ghost and cold-blooded half the time which just made it useless, and know thanks to this system I have finally started using it again since I know it will actually work early game, even though it doesn't guarantee me a kill. It is stupid to make anti killstreak perks immediately available since they just make someone's hard-earned kill streak entirely useless and defeats the purpose of them existing. Example, in vanguard, I've gotten killstreaks that require me to aim them, but when I try to use them, I can't see a single enemy on the map cause everyone is running cold-blooded. And this isn't a one off thing, it's been like that in every cod I've played that had cold-blooded.
I think they should give us 3 or 4 perks to start the match and then I also like the idea of an ultimate or super perk/ability that slowly gets charged like an ultimate field upgrade if your perform well and can use towards the end of a match. This could be a whole new class of perks/abilities that we have never seen before.
Sounds similar to specialist
I just don’t feel like I can commit to any play style when the perk system built around it isn’t complete until the late portions of a match. It makes the perks feel somewhat inconsequential which is no fun.
You can't commit to much of anything until the full game is out tbh. You're missing kit that would fit your playstyle and the perk system is supposed to supplement that.
@@FireTrainer92 this is the full game it literally comes out in 5 weeks
@@chrispybx can you do the quick draw with pistols in the beta without using the preset class?
@@FireTrainer92 It's a locked feature because they want it to be, doesn't mean it's not in the game already though. Probably will be able to next weekend
@@retrocd8976 That's my point though. A lot of the stuff that people have problems with have answers locked behind stuff that we can't really play with as freely as we would when the game is actually out so it's hard to judge certain things.
People are saying UAVs overpowered but we only have one class that has access to launchers and it's a class that people don't want to play with.
your idea of a rework for the perk system sounds good I hope they see this and take it into consideration
It's a damn shame the they haven't really addressed most of my problems with mw2019 while introducing new ones (like the perk system), but I've been having way more fun in this beta compared to my time with mw2019 and that's literally just because the maps are sooooooo much better
Agreed! The maps are very good in this game. The gun ranking, while complicated, actually seems decent and encourages changing weapons.
Give us a proper mini map
Give us normal perks
Give us dull footsteps of deadly as a perk.
Give us this and the game will be in a very good shape.
SH tried to mess with the perks in WWII and eventually changed it. IW doesn’t listen to the community the same way SH does though so I’m worried this will not change.
Those rag doll physics at 00:30, lmao
yeah, usually happen on stairs
They fell up
Devs seem obsessed with the charge-up system, for some reason. Started with field upgrades, then equipment, now perks. I can live with the first two, but for perks it makes no sense. Best case scenario, if the perk-charge-up mechanic sticks, is what you described with the base perk/pro-perk charge-up mechanic. Otherwise, scrap the whole thing and go back to all selected perks active at spawn. My favorite perk system was, actually, in Ghosts where perks had points assigned to them and you could spend your points on whatever perks you wanted until you ran out of points. Didn’t matter what tier the perk was in, if you had points left you could use it.
Having multiple charge ups is too complicated. I liked the system in MW2019 with having one "ult"
I think they should hire you as a dev. You give the best ideas/compromises that I've ever seen in every call of duty that I've ever played. Period.
I love the new perk system, you have to earn to be OP and not just start out OP, and you can sprint around bunny jumping silent like a ninja 🥳 The game feels much more balanced now.
Sounds like this is gonna be an exact repeat of the WW2 Basic Training perk stupidity.
I had that same pro perk charging idea. I like it a lot.
Lol that body was flipping out @8:20
I don’t know if they listen but the devs should really listen to your feedback. Throughout all the recent COD you always have a sensible middle ground option that can make players happy and keep the devs vision
It's absolutely insane that they have thousands of people and YEARS of time and can't figure out what would work well but single people in the community instantly come up with better ways to do things.
As a higher skilled player I like being able to earn perks before others when playing well, but you make excellent points about snowballing and joining games in progress. I think the base and pro perks idea is fantastic, as it still creates an element of dynamic play style throughout the match without having to completely avoid certain play styles for half the game
No compromise. This is a game for us, and it should be made in kind. We shouldn't have to put up with a system we hate.
A permanent Ghost perk is an absolutely non-negotiable piece of any Call of Duty. They MUST change this. The snowballing effect you referred to is very real and completely ruins the experience.
We don't need compromise, we need to go back to the way it was. Why do we get things that 100 percent of the community is AGAINST AND HATES... I paid $74 fucking dollars for this piece of shit game. It needs to be better.
Yeah it not good
@@Rebaith You are just bad
@@vicho5960 No, the game is shit. People holding ADS every corner like it’s Tarkov
@@Rebaith then you need to play better or just move more on the map, you get score on anything
@@Rebaith move more so people who are holding peeks can hear you from a mile away and can prefire you 😂😂
@@Lazyfoal 🤙😂
I think the main problem with MW2 just like the 2019 version is instead of creating the MP separate from the BR they've tried to get a middle ground between both modes and it doesn't work. The devs need to realise what makes a good MP experience doesn't make a good BR experience and vice versa. I get they want continuity between all game modes but its at the expense of the overall player experience
Although your compromise idea is great, and is the better version of this system, I’d much rather see them scrap it and use the traditional system along with being able to unlock pro perks. Basically just OG MW2 that system is goated. Really hope they listen to you and the community’s feedback on this one. 🙏🏼
This perks system just shows how much Activision only cares about play time.
I actually really like the perk system; however, I wish they would allow you to pick your perks and put them in the order you want.
I kinda like the system they’re going for but I have no idea what they were going for with the time limit aspect of it. I like the base perks and bonus perk and ultimate perk. There’s a lot of trade offs when selecting a perk
You always have fantastic feedback, please keep it up. The majority rely on bigger voices like yours for feedback and we appreciate it.
What if you play SND and want ghost?. They're hell bent on ruining SND with dead silence and ghost missing, They're trying to reinvent the wheel but it came out square.
I think it would be cool if you could pick any 3 perks you wanted and the 3rd perk would be the pro version of a perk.
ngl if this system in the video is implemented I think dead silence could be a perk that is really balanced, so when you spawn in the perk only muffles your movement sound while when its "upgraded" it will actually become silence
Exactly. No more stealth play style. Enemy UAV is up. Well time to camp like no tomorrow.
The team with the most UAV win. 100%
As a stealth flanking playstyle playing the beta really change my style of play to more of a defend style / camp / head glitch from distance.
That an interesting concept with pro perk.
Was thinking like remove the concept of base,bonus,ultimate category. All perk unlock with no category attached to.
The player choose 2 perk to start off with, then choose what their perk 3 and perk 4 while unlocking it mid game.
I don't know about you but the bird prey and survivor perk should be switch with different perks.
Bird prey perk to ninja or Lightweight ( lighter footstep)
Survivor perk to awareness or amplify.
Hopefully the pro perk concept or this one is added to it. That plus the normal mini map
I feel infinity ward is always finding a way to shoot them selves in the foot
I think that it is also well worth mentioning how much more this system favors game modes where score per minute among the average player tends to be higher such as hard point and kill confirmed as compared to round based game modes such as search and destroy where even if you are playing extremely well the score depends a lot on many things going your way (you get to plant bomb, enemy attacks bomb site that you are defending) which is placing more rng into a game that doesn't necessarily need it.
Honestly, I think just putting 'op', meta- and gamestyle-defining perks into the starter perk slot while having you unlock quality of life stuff like strong arm later in the game would make this system already miles better, if they choose not to compromise
It's a damn shame that we went from charging up dead silence in MW 2019 to charging up most perks in this game. Wtf infinity ward...
How has Activision not hired you yet? Seriously, they would be well served to have a voice like yours evaluating things they want to implement. This video is so on point. I couldn't agree more.
Cheers.
What's even worse about this perk system is SBMM. You are far more likely to join a match in progress with this system thus further distorting the "character building" style the devs stated they were going for.
Also I like your idea for a revised version of the current system. One extra thing I would add is upon joining a match in progress, the average score of all players there is also calculated and put into the joining player's perk progress. If they will not remove SBMM or regulate it to a "Ranked" mode, then I believe this is a must-have
Yet again, it's Infinity Ward's year to release their COD and they still released an awful COD. The only time they every did it right was MW3, but that's because it was basically like MW2 so they couldn't get it wrong. Ghost, IW, MW2019 where all the worst COD's and here you go, they top that with MW2022. Even Sledgehammer my balls makes better games. For the love of god Treyarch, save us!!!!
100% agree with the UAV stacking issue and have experienced that already in this beta. Last night had multiple games where the enemy team had constant UAVs and we were just getting slaughtered because they always knew where we were
If they want to balance perks then just bring back the Ghosts perk system e.g. have 10 points to spend on perks and the stronger perks take up more points than the weaker ones
Incredible feedback. All we can hope is they listen.
Watch your idea be exactly what they’re already thinking about but since it’s beta, we don’t have those kind of pro perks yet until the game actually comes out. Great thinking!
I've tried explaining the snowballing thing to a couple other people as an issue and as a comment in another creators video and all those people gave me was "Don't think that's how it works". So glad to hear I'm not insane for thinking that. I honestly think unsuppressed gunfire red dots on the minimap would help with that too, as the minimap is useless until you get that UAV, so no one is paying attention to it. I've seen so many teammates shoot at each other out of pure reaction in this CoD beta in core then I have in my time playing CoD.
Honestly no matter what they do with the perk system it won’t be a deal breaker for me, however I really like your idea and I think that would be a much better way to go about it
horrible all around just because someone put time into something thats shit does not mean they cant throw it away
its like saying a restaurant spent 2 hours making your meal and its dogshit but they still insist on serving it to you cause it took so long
I don't disagree with you on this point per say, Ace but... "this game could've been so much better if we just had a normal perk system" like there are FAR bigger issues with this game than just the perk system, not that i'm saying MWII is bad, but no red dots on the Minimap, no Ninja and overly loud footsteps, the ttk is inconsistent, the muzzle flash can be a little ridiculous, the spawns, all of those are definitely bigger issues than this perk system, so it's by far not the thing that would hold this game back from being great.
I’ve been playing CoD since Black Ops 1 (I was a late adopter of the franchise) I bought every version since then until last year, and after playing the beta I don’t think I’ll be buying this years version either. For the exact reasons you’ve specified in this video. In past games I’ve varied from a 1.2 KD to a 2 KD depending on the title. The games are basically a race now for the first team to get a UAV. It’s frustrating and in the three times I’ve played the beta this weekend I’ve turned it off within 3 games. My flanking play style doesn’t exist until late in games when I get ghost. The amount of times I’ve ran down an obvious flank route this weekend just to find someone waiting for me in a corner or on a head glitch at the other end was insane. With the other equipment now to spot people (like the added cameras) I don’t know why Ghost has been gated off to the last part of games. As long as its the ghost version where you have to be moving I don’t see an issue with it. No ghost and the addition of footsteps you could track an ant by, it just gives corner campers more incentive to never move. Before adding the bouncing Betty’s and claymores to secure their tents.
bUt InFiNiTy WarD iz ZaVinG CoD...
IW is extraordinary with the engine. No CoD can top that, but with MP fundamentals, they are incredibly off with the community. Infinity Ward protects noobs, that's why we have those types of "great decisions".
I totally stand with you Ace, even the Pro Perk idea is amazing if they insist having charge perk rates.
No red dots, no ninja as a perk, no good perk system, are deal breaking for me.
I can say with confidence this entire system is done to make SBMM more strict without altering SBMM.
Think about it, the SBMM should in theory keep snowballing from happening. Thus this new system exists to promote snowballing. This ends up creating an second layer. On one side if you do inch ahead it softens how bad your match will be if your team has UAVs and their perks ahead of time, while on the other dropping down is now really hard.
This isn't for pros, casuals, or anyone. It is to make SBMM provide even closer matches for their retention based system at the expense of enjoyment for everyone.
So far love this game however. The biggest problem in this game. Is a mixture of a few things Mashed together. Because of lack of traditional mimi map. Traditional perk system. And a footstep sound nerf. It's made the uav by far the best scorestreak in the game. And it's very easy to earn. So there is constant uav spam. You can't hide from it until you earn ghost. Which is an ultimate perk. (if you even have it selected) That takes up to 4 mins ( half the game) for a good player and 8 mins at default for an average player. This also makes ghost a crunch perk. Something call of duty said they were moving away from years ago. People camp in corners waiting for you to move because they can hear you a mile away. So do you see how all these things combined are actually game breaking? Easy fixes. The return of a traditional mini map with red dots. Lower the overall audio level of footsteps across the board. Give us a ninja perk that reduces sound. Not totally silent. Keep dead silence field upgrade. But do it like vanguard and make it additionally grant you ghost while you have it activated. Make the ghost park only active while you moving. And move it to the park 1 basic perk slot. All problems fixed