To clarify, this video is solely looking at the unique effect that all Suppressors have in relation to the other muzzle attachments, not individual suppressors with their own additional effects. There are a ton of different suppressors with different effects outside of the sound/compass/mini map suppression and you still may want to use them for those characteristics but that's outside the scope of this video. This is only meant for testing characteristics that are unique to the suppressor subcategory.
@@ariel_._ he already has covered weapon tuning effects for sights but it's mostly user preference I'm pretty sure that he'll cover more but I thought they disabled weapon tuning at the moment
for real tho, idk if it’s bc i haven’t really played since early cold war (bc these games fucking suck) but i feel like they cranked up sbmm. i used to have no problem getting a 2.0 3.0 KD on average even in cold war and mw19 but i don’t not think i’ve broke like 1.5 so far in mw2
I feel like this is a subtle knock at certain players but people are only looking at the surface. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Like, why not a matching chastity belt with the they wear IRL. Lol.
Launchers are actually crazy strong in this game as a result of how powerful UAVs and Counter UAVs are. Turn on scorestreaks, run a launcher, and your team will perform WAY better as a result.
As someone who doesn't enjoy CoD but plays it because of my friend group, I can't stress how good this strategy is. You become the support player; you're an asset to the team even if you personally lose more gunfights. Put on motion sensors or trophy systems for your field upgrade, claymores/proxy mines, run a launcher on your back, and use ghost (and cold blooded on a secondary class for if/when chopper gunners are called). You are the annoying enemy that the enemy team hates bexause you nullify their hard earned streaks as well as shutdown their equipment spam and positional skills.
The problem I've run into is that the first team to get a UAV seems to end up steam rolling and there becomes an almost constant stream of UAVs. No joke I played one game where I destroyed 2 UAVs then not ten seconds later 2 more were up in the air. It's also no fun constantly shooting down UAVs instead of actually playing. This is the first CoD I've felt like UAVs are extremely oppressive.
Suppressors are best used as a heavy barrel addition/alternative. The ones that improve range and recoil are nice, as long as you have some ADS attachments.
the problem I've noticed is that there are contradictions. the pros and cons for attachments says it will decrease range, but the description of the suppressor says it increases it , which one do you believe ?
I agree with something like the shotguns for instance where you get range in addition to being silent. At least they tried to make suppressors do a bit more in some cases since the utility of being silent just isn’t the same. That being said, I think it’s a complete crime that ghost is an ultimate perk. I’d say that in all of my matches, uav is probably in the air 50% of the time average. Ghost should be basic perk that only works while moving. Then silencers could be more useful as well
I definitely feel that suppressors are best used in modes like WZ, GW, and Invasion. Longer sightlines and it is incredibly easy to flank the frontline on Invasion when Ghost becomes available. UAVs in modes like Invasion are spammed consistenly throughtout the entire match.
To be honest suppressors are okay invasion but not great because you need ghost for it to work well with it however the issue is by the time you've unlocked ghost very rarely is one side not dominating the other so either you're trapped in Your spawn or very close to your spine and unless people are not paying attention at all you're not going to be able to flank around it and the same thing if your team is doing the crushing you can't really flank into the enemy team spawn even if you got that close without any of them noticing you on most of the maps there's no good attack from the side location that doesn't have the game auto kill you for getting too close to the enemy team spawn. Edit: I still run ghost because I just don't like being on the radar in general but it's really upsetting to not be able to do any sneaky flanks at the start or manage to stealth past the enemy team get set up behind them and go to shoot them in the back because what happens is you go do that maybe you'll get one or two kills and then the enemy team has radar and the people that are being killed up ahead now know where you are and they just use the radar to wall that you or toss a grenade or whatever. The perk system is okay I guess but you can't really have a perk such as ghost being an ultimate park. Also the fact that unsuppressed fire doesn't show up on the radar unless you AV is up is pretty stupid in my opinion many many many many times and invasion I've been killed by an enemy to my side thinking that it was one of my AI guys shooting their gun because I'll hear gunshots and I reflexively look to my radar and see nothing
Oh yea, sniping can be very stealthy UAV or other stuff, use cold blooded/ghost Supressora to also hide from uav and bot be heard And if you dont want youe gaint to be seen while finding your next target or getting the distance (basically the time period before your aiming and soon shooting) you can use the spotter scope as it dowsnt have glint and can turn the thermal on and off
@@Novalux05 sadly it seems ghost is either hopefully bugged or this is intentional but if you shoot a gun with a suppressor on even during a UAV ghost is deactivated for 3 seconds so if you get really unlucky you can get hit by two sweeps of the UAV after firing one bullet I guess you're just regular luck you only get hit by one sweep currently there is no point to using a suppressor unless you are going to be shooting people in the back from above an invasion but even then they're going to know you're there
@@TheWoWisok yea, from personal experience, due to how invasion/ground war can be, I've been able to survive for a while longer using spotter scope to hide my glint and having a suppressor, but it also may just feel useful and really it's more the fact I'm in the back not engaging 10 enemies at once and theyre having more worrisome targets then me Tho it does feel different from cod mw19
Was actually pretty sick to hear the way the sound of the shots will change as you get near the shooter. Obviously they’d get louder but they seemed to have a slightly different tone once you hit certain distances from them
How they managed to make ghost/map/compass/suppressed/unsuppressed interactions this convoluted is beyond me. Especially when you consider ghost is a bonus perk that you don't start with. These are just not things you want to use your brain power on in 6v6 modes most of the time. Complicating things like that in a game where simplicity is the foundation is oddly out of place.
I think suppressors should also make it harder to pinpoint the shooter using directional audio. That would be very useful if you're trying to move around stealthily.
Yep super sonic crack is omnidirectional so you can't tell direction. Unless you are close enough to hear gasses exiting suppressor your should be not detectable by directional sound. They could gamify it and make it not hearable at shorter distance like 30m ..
@@birbdad1842 silencers are not realistic in the first place. They don't make sound like in the movies or video games or add benefits. I'm guess you mean the normal way silence guns work in video games.
Always appreciate what you do for each COD game. So many mechanics and gameplay elements are unbelievably obscure and without these videos I wouldn't know over half of what is going on. Thanks Ace
here's why Suppressors are useless, the game (At this moment) has so much audio bugs that an enemy can be shooting at you and the bullets are flying past your head, but you won't hear a thing, or get any suppression . IW already added permanent suppressors for everyone! lmaoo
As a solo player that doesn’t have the time to play with my friends like I used to, it’s unfortunate not to have ghost right away because of the the squads running UAVs. So I make sure I always have a missile. I totally get why they did what they did with ghost. It does help with the camping but players who camp have never really bothered me. I’m still having fun
@@brawler5760 The game seems fun but... no Barracks :( Lotta missing features but Barracks with Combat Record and Challenges for Calling Cards and Emblems, that shit is always great and this game ain't even got that, so i'm disappointed tbh.
@@DeadSpacedOut They don’t affect me nearly as much as other people, so that’s sad but also again it doesn’t affect me. Still having fun though, though I guess you should wait until a holiday sale.
I noticed the compass red dot gets bigger the closer you are to the sound of fire so I would say it’s not totally redundant and I’ve used it to get a general idea of where enemies are because the audio can’t always be relied on
Suppressors are good for increasing your damage and accuracy. A great example is that they are the best attachments for shotguns. Massively boosts their one shot kill range
Their general usage may be gone, but to an extent they can still be used as good barrel attachments, like increasing damage range and recoil smoothness and all that.
3:38 Honestly I'm starting to hate the new perk system based on what you just mentioned. I find myself making 2 loadouts when lvling a gun 1 with whatever i want, then the other with a launcher. My internal count is if 2 UVAs go up and don't get shot down I switch to the launcher loadout. Not very fun but helps me die less and helps the team so whatever. EDIT: 7:30 oh you mention switching here my bad.
If we already need to switch classes midgame, they need to add more than 10 loadouts. It's just not enough. Too bad it would be horrible with their "UI".
I certainly don't like the way they do it but I do kinda like how more people are supporting the team now. I'm sure there's a better way to encourage teamplay than this though.
You also have to take into account that there are suppressors that *do* actually increase bullet velocity without a range penalty and effect recoil. So they aren't entirely as widely utilitarian as in previous games, but do have their uses beyond just staying off the UAV mini map, compass and such. Also just me personally, I've run into many situations where I've had delayed reactions from people when taking out someone next to them. The register the death, but don't get the direction of where it's coming from down fast enough to take me out, compared to other situations where the opposite happens and either I get turned on and killed, or end up in an unexpected gunfight. Against headset users, sure the sound dampening isn't as obvious of a thing in the moment, but it has it's major benefits against people that aren't. On top of that, it keeps me from blasting my own ears out when using a gun... There's no great sound mixing for that in 2019 or 2020. I ran a suppressor on practically everything in MW2019 not just to stay off the radar or other benefits, but for the aforementioned reason as well. Doesn't blast my ears and keeps me more situationally aware as well.
@@ChuckD99 It's just a little ridiculous. Especially when the audio briefly decides that an SMG is going to sound like an AR briefly, or anything suddenly sounds like a damn marksman or battle rifle. x-x Dunno why that sound glitch happens, only seemed to have started after the season one update for me.
Great video. I do miss the old days in MW2 though where you could be truly stealthy. Perks were instant like cold blooded and ghost and dead silence. Suppressors mattered way more. Maps were large enough that a knife-wielding riot shield maniac wasn't so viable. Better times back then... minus 1 man army noob tubers
I wish also, but its infinity ward, they dont listen for shit, and people that agree with them is people who played mw19 as their first cod and mfs who loved to camp
Suppressors are quite nice when using weapons with a ton of muzzle flash or if they improve bullet velocity/range. I do agree with your assessment on the perk system though Ace, the way stealth perks currently function seriously disincentivizes stealth and aggressive forms of it.
Something you didn't mention and that is mostly like in real life is that suppressors conceal muzzle flash pretty well from your pov as well as other players (you can see it at 1:06 ) and in most cases it adds a buff to your bullet velocity/damage range, it's like a barrel extension of sorts. sadly it seems to add even more smoke on screen from what I've experienced.
Real suppressors do add a lot of smoke in real life though. They conceal the flash, sure, but they're surprisingly smokey. The first time I fired a suppressed carbine in close quarters it was so smokey my eyes started burning.
Love that you showed us how useless the ghost perk is without a suppressor. Would have liked it if you would've put more data out about individual suppressors. Because I mostly use the harbinger d20 for its damage range and bullet velocity increases. When I was playing with snipers a lot I'd also use a suppressor that increased damage range and bullet velocity (idk the name).
One thing I'll add; I know they improved it a bit since the beta but still Suppressors will help cut down on the excessive muzzle flashes and smoke when firing some guns. If you use a full auto weapon and are engaging with Med/Long range targets you want all the visual clarity you can get.
I would be really curious to see testing on the recoil characteristics on some suppressors vs other muzzle devices. for me if i get the small benefits you listed on top of recoil mitigation, and the gun looks dope, than im using it.
A few things are missing: 1: does having a suppressor make it easier to hear others? 2: muzzle flash 3: how do the suppressors stack up to other attachments? Are their downsides too severe? Are the other muzzles any good (we saw this with the close range vanguard meta and the recoil booster)?
The only thing I was looking for in this video was “does a suppressor show up if someone has birdseye equips?” I guess I’ll have to figure that out myself.
Ace I always look for your videos. Very well done and no bullshit about how great you are. Some of the other guys are super annoying, but your videos are straight to the facts. THank you!
I think the whole reason the red dots were added in the first place, is because most people when the mechanic was introduced, were playing on tv speakers, not headphones, directional audio wasn’t really easy to use when it came to locating enemies, but now that most if not all gamers have crazy good headsets, they aren’t needed anymore
Its far from perfect, but they seemed to have met their goal with the changes in that everyone is not running suppressors on their weapons 100% of the time. There are more pros and cons now and in effect will lead to more variety in attachment setups. It is also clear to me that they have changed from a design perspective of audio cue focus over visual cue focus when assessing threats in game.
Specifically for noise reduction I've noticed it does help a lot. I use it for platinum grinding but I've noticed that between the muzzle flash suppression and the silencing, people have a hard time pin pointing you.
Hey Ace, great video man! Love your content! I will say this about the perk system, since no one has their ultimate perk (quick fix, ghost, Alert) the first half of the match feels like a race to dominate the map, get UAV up asap, and take the lead. Then the last half gets tougher when every ultimate is charged. It's an interesting dynamic to get use to. But on the other hand, if they wanted this to spice the game up it should have been a separate game mode. Also I don't think I will be using silencers unless they help significantly with range.
That's not really distance, if I ask someone where the nearest Gas Station is and they say "That way, far" that doesn't help much if i'm low on Gas, distance is exact (like if they said "It's 2 and a half Miles that way") or at the very least a close estimate (like if they said "It's around 2-3 Miles that way") so since there's no exact numbers, there's not a clear distance from where you are to the enemy. Even if there's an enemies teammate near them with a slightly bigger diamond on the Compass, you know that that enemy is closer, but still not by how much. The vagueness of the Compass is what makes it kind of redundant, as Ace said.
I’m happy with the changes. We don’t need cookie cutter releases every year and they’re finally moving in the right direction. Now I can enjoy other attachments on my barrel.
Thanks for the video! I didn't know how weird it was, but it's nice to know it has some practical use. (albeit slight) I always run one just because it sounds nice, looks nice, and some of them help with recoil.
It seems like suppressors are useful for increasing range, or in some cases mitigating recoil They also have the added benefit of counter intelligence in a lot of cases. They make it harder to pinpoint your location, you also don't show up on UAV Radar and compass radar. And then there's the general satisfaction of using a suppressed weapon and feeling like a stealthy operator.
worth pointing out that suppressors in other cods conferred a penalty to bullet velocity and range (counterintuitively) whereas now since the minimap benefit is lessened, they intuitively increase bullet velocity and damage range due to their barrel-lengthening feature. so they actually become pretty useful attachments just for base stats
You do realize that suppressors reduce bullet velocity and range in real life right? It doesn’t increase the length of the barrel itself at all. Tell me you know nothing about guns without telling you know nothing about guns.
@@natefiet4961 ruclips.net/video/5D7sfpIwUVs/видео.html Yeah no, suppressors barely affect velocity, sometimes positively, sometimes negatively. But it’s below a 1% difference either way.
@@natefiet4961 early suppressors, absolutely. advancements in technology in more modern suppressors have eliminated those downsides completely. go ahead and spend 60 seconds on a google search, whether it proves me wrong or right it would be better than taking uninformed comments with no support as fact.
I definitely think these changes are more for Warzone and DMZ things like the compass and distance are much more of a priority when your dealing with a huge map with many different points of interest.
You mentioned that the compass doesn't show any range information, but it definitely gives you a distance range. The diamond is bigger or smaller depending on how far the person shooting is from you. I've used it a few times to determine what room someone was inside of when you are in a building with multiple rooms
I don't think the compass is redundant for me at least. Especially in smaller maps where gunfights are happening all over the place, I can't tell which sounds are enemy fire or friendly fire so having the extra Intel of the red diamonds helps a lot and I also think people don't use them nearly as much as they should
Compass is amazing for wallbangs, you can only hear roughly where someone is without it but with the compass you can perfectly centre your aim exactly where the red dot is. In most situations you'll know which height they are at because you can hear them and can usually just guess based on map knowledge.
Before having watched the video, my personal experience as a player who builds for damage/damage range/ads on most weapons is that i find myself using supressors on most of my weapon builds. It's a bummer that they removed blips for shots, but in the end most of my game have UAV up like 80% of the match, so it doesn't really bother me as much as i thought it would.
Changing the mini map and enhancing the footsteps makes this so much more sweaty (and of course the sbmm). I remember being able to listen to music and still doing well 🤦♂️
Suppressors in general: I agree with you for the most part but some of them that only make that "tin can sound" or whatever you wanna call it....those are VERY HARD TO PIN POINT FAST, so I think they are EXTREMELY GOOD IN NO RESPAWN MODES, where even if it only takes the enemy half a second longer to pinpoint you i think it's worth. EDIT: I also think there are some niche uses for it in tight buildings/rooms. This is just my personal experience, but I've been able to get triple or quad kills out of random luck b/c I sneak up/flank 3 guys and shoot the one in the back and more than half the time if the other 2 are looking forward they don't even notice or can't tell where it came from.
Hey ace, idk if you've addressed this yet, but do you know what happens to your charged perks when you switch classes? As in if you picked a hyper agro class and rushed your ultimate perk, then switched to another class, would you get the other class' ult perk immediately or would you need to charge it again? I don't remember how it worked in the beta (or if they changed it if they did)
It stays charged, also It works with whatever current charged perks you have atm, tho it may say otherwise in game when you reach your ult, the visual and dialogue cue contradict each other so disregard that, it’s whatever you equip
to be honest I actually never even noticed the mini map not working as usual during mw2019, I just assumed everybody was using a suppressor. I feel like when I was younger on the old MW games etc I relied on the map a lot but nowadays I just use gamesense to figure out where people are; especially in this game where you can hear everything an enemy is doing
Wow I might be the only one not having this problem. When people shoot an none suppressed gun around me it always shows up on my map. And I would say the same for people I play against. I notice the difference in how they react when i shoot with one.
I find that the actual sound suppression works well to stay stealthy. People just find it more difficult to locate you based on the sound of your gun firing. Edit: I should mention I play mostly ground war.
From my experience if you are playing sneaky and happen to find yourself behind 2 or 3 players, a suppressor may be the difference in you killing 1 or all 3 of the enemies. Like you say even in a small room it's hard to tell where it's coming from at first.
@@Romoredux I agree, I noticed the same thing. Sometimes it helps you stay undetected for just a second or two longer and that's all you need to win some gunfights. Especially when flanking, which I do a lot.
Would be cool to see the difference walking up on a suppressed smg vs assault rifle. I bet the suppressor on the smg is a lot more effective. They pay quite a bit of attention to realism in this game.
Thank you for your time and posting. For me, I just play the game, I get the guns I want and don't try for anything else. I just like shooting and camping. :)
It's crazy how bad the perk system is, and how stubborn IW is being over it. It is definitely one of the bigger detractors of fun for this game for me and my friends.
Stats weren't mentioned at all, but a lot of them help manage recoil and increase range or velocity, so they have benefits other than the minimap or sound. Also I find it refreshing that the suppressors don't totally silence the guns in this game.
All my end game shotguns have a particular suppressor on them for this reason alone. Turns them from a close range to a medium range weapon for one pops. Of course nothing will ever compare to having akimbo sawed off double barrels with sniper scopes on HC SND. but I'll take what i can get.
Hope we are gonna see an option to use the perk system from the previous games. The incentive to use the new system could be the ability to pick 4 perks vs the old system's 3.
Suppressors also have different attributes now than just "suppressing sound". They have recoil mitigations, damage range increase and other benefits on several of them. I think but am not sure that they might help with muzzle flash and the smoke as well when firing the gun. So, all those things combine to make them useful even though there isn't a "classic" minimap. Sound is a little bit dampened as well so might be harder to pick out an enemy shooting if a lot of other shooting taking place as well.
I know on Beta the "Pineapple" grip helped ALOT with horizontal recoil mainly...but w/out exact numbers and what not you're gonna have to wait for Ace to test or test yourself. No clue if the "pineapple" grip is still "the best" attachment for recoil like it was on Beta, kind of doubting it since we had limited access to everything on beta.
I think the third and ultimate perk selections should be one category. You just pick which one you get at the middle of a match and which to get towards the end. Assuming they don't plan on changing this new perk system.
My issue with the compass is playing cod for so long my brain is trained to pay attention to the mini map with my peripherals. I also feel like looking up away from the fighting field puts me at a disadvantage. I basically ignore the compass all game.
Even with this evidence I feel like I do better with a suppressor on which is weird could be the other benefits the suppressor provides. It also could just be a placebo effect lol.
It’s mostly placebo. I have the same feeling. Suppressors make me feel like I have no recoil even tho it’s not changing. It makes the gun feel smoother. It’s a weird feeling
It wouldn't be the first time attachments didn't show stats correctly And surpressors hide you if there's a UAV up which is almost always currently. People relying on watching dots move may not be noticing you as much
When I was using a suppressor on the AUG AR I honestly couldn't even tell if I was using a suppressor and I had to check multiple times that I actually had it equipped.
I think suppressors work better in longer range engagements. I used them in MW2019 to hunt snipers with marksman rifles and lower zoom optic (for no glint), so that snipers don't pick up on your location as quickly. Especially the large suppressors which also increase damage range.
At this point I'm really just waiting to see if Ace can release a complete thesis dissecting modern warfare and all of its interesting intricacies. Get this man an honorary mba
The compass does give an estimate of distance. The further away the fire is the smaller the dot on the compass is. You actually showed that when you did the audible range comparison.
@@grrinc might not but it's extemely obvious whomst the target audience is. loud asf footsteps, indestructable doors, ghost as an ultimate perk, instant TTK, MW2019 minimap and suppressors being useless are enough proof of that i guess.
@@waltuh1 oh I agree that the game mechanics have certainly leaned into the camping play style for sure. It’s just I haven’t really encountered enough to say it’s a problem - yet! Maybe Christmas will be the time
The developers at infinity ward failed to recognize that taking the red dots off the mini map when firing an unsuppressed weapon would NOT stop people from relying on red dots. I’ve played around 10 hours of this game already and noticed that the difference between a good team and a bad team is the amount of UAVs one team can get in a game. Which ever team gets the first UAV usually comes out on top no matter what. Because the team with the UAV knows where everyone is during the first half of the game and the team without the UAV keeps dying and dying bc they have no way to counter the UAV without A. Shooting it down or B. Calling a counter UAV. and by the time they counter it the other team can already have enough kills for a UAV while the team who never got one can’t do anything but hope for the best. In conclusion it makes the game lop sided and makes UAVs stronger than intended. It also makes “better” players stronger than subpar more casual players because the likely hood of someone getting a UAV completely depends on how many kills/points someone can get. If the “better” player gets more kills and uses a UAV then the casual player suffers. Therefore making their entire argument moot.
Suppressors serve to make pinpointing via directional audio more difficult and to help with recoil control(mostly visual). It particularly becomes obvious when playing search, prisoner rescue or whatever none respawn mode. Also if you've not yet noticed, suppressors sound is not all equal. There are some extremely quiet suppressors that can almost feel like the game is bugged. I actually can't tell if it's an actual audio bug or if it's a feature.
The usefulness comes from the recoil damage range and bullet velocity on top of tha little red dot disappearing as soon as I see a dot show up on the compass I go to it or look
They're pretty much only useful as recoil mitigation and to boost bullet velocity and range. I think thats pretty helpful, especially since we don't have any other muzzle devices that boost range and velocity. But I also think we should get a classic mini-map back. It would certainly help reduce the effectiveness of camping
Compass does provide useful distance information. If you are moving and the enemy is shooting, you can make a best guess on how far away by looking at how quickly they are moving on the compass, if their red dot is moving quickly, they are close, maybe on the other side of a wall. If it's barely moving they are probably on the other side of a building maybe. Apart from footsteps, its a good way to guess if a building is clear or not. For those times where the enemy is moving and shooting, it will make it a little harder, but will still be able to give you a best guess on how far they are. Sure, you can use your ears to do this too, but what about the times you aren't using a headset?
Great video. Would like to know what the caliber was of the tested gun and also wonder if calibers and ammunition loads (like subsonic) have different sound signatures. Does a subsonic 9mm suppressed at 100m sound different from a . 308 suppressed at the same range. I'm not even sure MW went that far in depth.
I have the fennec maxed out and i use the tac ninja barrel and i have it tuned for recoil steadiness. Suppressors that lower the recoil and increase bullet range are the best. I love em.
The UAV being constantly in the air is why every single one of my classes has a luncher as my secondary. Everyone can already track your every movement because of the bigfoot like footsteps, least I can do for my teammates is remove the threat of UAV's.
To clarify, this video is solely looking at the unique effect that all Suppressors have in relation to the other muzzle attachments, not individual suppressors with their own additional effects. There are a ton of different suppressors with different effects outside of the sound/compass/mini map suppression and you still may want to use them for those characteristics but that's outside the scope of this video. This is only meant for testing characteristics that are unique to the suppressor subcategory.
will you be doing video in future looking at each suppressor / best one ?
No combat record this game is pretty useless…
Looking forward to your very informative and thorough gun guides the best in The biz Ace!
It's about time you hit 1million subs you been doing this for years
@@ariel_._ he already has covered weapon tuning effects for sights but it's mostly user preference I'm pretty sure that he'll cover more but I thought they disabled weapon tuning at the moment
I think a sweatband for your character would be more useful than a suppressor.
lolol be messed up they make a skin to sell with that exact look...I will die of laughter, but def agree
How about a camp chair
Damn dude no doubt
for real tho, idk if it’s bc i haven’t really played since early cold war (bc these games fucking suck) but i feel like they cranked up sbmm. i used to have no problem getting a 2.0 3.0 KD on average even in cold war and mw19 but i don’t not think i’ve broke like 1.5 so far in mw2
I feel like this is a subtle knock at certain players but people are only looking at the surface. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Like, why not a matching chastity belt with the they wear IRL. Lol.
Launchers are actually crazy strong in this game as a result of how powerful UAVs and Counter UAVs are. Turn on scorestreaks, run a launcher, and your team will perform WAY better as a result.
As someone who doesn't enjoy CoD but plays it because of my friend group, I can't stress how good this strategy is.
You become the support player; you're an asset to the team even if you personally lose more gunfights.
Put on motion sensors or trophy systems for your field upgrade, claymores/proxy mines, run a launcher on your back, and use ghost (and cold blooded on a secondary class for if/when chopper gunners are called). You are the annoying enemy that the enemy team hates bexause you nullify their hard earned streaks as well as shutdown their equipment spam and positional skills.
Running a launcher is like an infinite score glitch lol
@@SkyNinja759 i would love more people like you on my team. such a valuable asset to have people shooting down these seemingly minor streaks
@@ajaiiix2978 tbf only really needed for uav a wet noodle can shoot a counter uav down in only a couple shots.
The problem I've run into is that the first team to get a UAV seems to end up steam rolling and there becomes an almost constant stream of UAVs. No joke I played one game where I destroyed 2 UAVs then not ten seconds later 2 more were up in the air. It's also no fun constantly shooting down UAVs instead of actually playing. This is the first CoD I've felt like UAVs are extremely oppressive.
Regardless of their usefulness, I always just preferred the feel of shooting a suppressed weapon.
Same always felt that way.
not worth it when most of the suppressors put you at a disadvantage in ads speed & recoil control.
@@hypnotiq wronf ft steel is OP
@@hypnotiq sounds like a skill issue
@@mnunez10 sounds like this game takes no skill and all the bots like you getting a huge ego boost saying skill issue
Suppressors are best used as a heavy barrel addition/alternative. The ones that improve range and recoil are nice, as long as you have some ADS attachments.
the problem I've noticed is that there are contradictions. the pros and cons for attachments says it will decrease range, but the description of the suppressor says it increases it , which one do you believe ?
I agree with something like the shotguns for instance where you get range in addition to being silent. At least they tried to make suppressors do a bit more in some cases since the utility of being silent just isn’t the same. That being said, I think it’s a complete crime that ghost is an ultimate perk. I’d say that in all of my matches, uav is probably in the air 50% of the time average. Ghost should be basic perk that only works while moving. Then silencers could be more useful as well
@@UncleGermrod run a launcher and shoot em down
Or uav’s should be a higher tier killstrek, so that they are not in air all the time
@@mortenandersen5056 It's the fact you don't immediately have Ghost active that makes UAV spam a bigger problem than it should be.
I definitely feel that suppressors are best used in modes like WZ, GW, and Invasion. Longer sightlines and it is incredibly easy to flank the frontline on Invasion when Ghost becomes available. UAVs in modes like Invasion are spammed consistenly throughtout the entire match.
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To be honest suppressors are okay invasion but not great because you need ghost for it to work well with it however the issue is by the time you've unlocked ghost very rarely is one side not dominating the other so either you're trapped in Your spawn or very close to your spine and unless people are not paying attention at all you're not going to be able to flank around it and the same thing if your team is doing the crushing you can't really flank into the enemy team spawn even if you got that close without any of them noticing you on most of the maps there's no good attack from the side location that doesn't have the game auto kill you for getting too close to the enemy team spawn.
Edit: I still run ghost because I just don't like being on the radar in general but it's really upsetting to not be able to do any sneaky flanks at the start or manage to stealth past the enemy team get set up behind them and go to shoot them in the back because what happens is you go do that maybe you'll get one or two kills and then the enemy team has radar and the people that are being killed up ahead now know where you are and they just use the radar to wall that you or toss a grenade or whatever.
The perk system is okay I guess but you can't really have a perk such as ghost being an ultimate park.
Also the fact that unsuppressed fire doesn't show up on the radar unless you AV is up is pretty stupid in my opinion many many many many times and invasion I've been killed by an enemy to my side thinking that it was one of my AI guys shooting their gun because I'll hear gunshots and I reflexively look to my radar and see nothing
Oh yea, sniping can be very stealthy
UAV or other stuff, use cold blooded/ghost
Supressora to also hide from uav and bot be heard
And if you dont want youe gaint to be seen while finding your next target or getting the distance (basically the time period before your aiming and soon shooting) you can use the spotter scope as it dowsnt have glint and can turn the thermal on and off
@@Novalux05 sadly it seems ghost is either hopefully bugged or this is intentional but if you shoot a gun with a suppressor on even during a UAV ghost is deactivated for 3 seconds so if you get really unlucky you can get hit by two sweeps of the UAV after firing one bullet I guess you're just regular luck you only get hit by one sweep currently there is no point to using a suppressor unless you are going to be shooting people in the back from above an invasion but even then they're going to know you're there
@@TheWoWisok yea, from personal experience, due to how invasion/ground war can be, I've been able to survive for a while longer using spotter scope to hide my glint and having a suppressor, but it also may just feel useful and really it's more the fact I'm in the back not engaging 10 enemies at once and theyre having more worrisome targets then me
Tho it does feel different from cod mw19
Was actually pretty sick to hear the way the sound of the shots will change as you get near the shooter. Obviously they’d get louder but they seemed to have a slightly different tone once you hit certain distances from them
Games have been doing it for ages where you have a closer and further sound and it mixes between the two as you get closer
There's only a few games I can really think of but I know it mostly from mods in stalker
It also changes based on the room you’re in.
How they managed to make ghost/map/compass/suppressed/unsuppressed interactions this convoluted is beyond me. Especially when you consider ghost is a bonus perk that you don't start with. These are just not things you want to use your brain power on in 6v6 modes most of the time. Complicating things like that in a game where simplicity is the foundation is oddly out of place.
You didn’t mention the Echoline Gs-x suppressor. The recoil smoothness benefit is very noticeable and makes it useful
Yeah some of the suppressors just feel better
@@NerdsIAB sometimes the sound of the shots with a suppressor make me play better.
I have noticed that I pick my suppressor on the "Other" positives. The sound suppression is just a bonus.
What the hell even is "recoil smoothness" and "recoil control"? We literally have vertical and horizontal recoil named in game too
@@bobfranklin2572 I just figured it meant each shot doesn't make all the muzzle climb at once. It's spread out over a longer time
I think suppressors should also make it harder to pinpoint the shooter using directional audio. That would be very useful if you're trying to move around stealthily.
Yep super sonic crack is omnidirectional so you can't tell direction. Unless you are close enough to hear gasses exiting suppressor your should be not detectable by directional sound. They could gamify it and make it not hearable at shorter distance like 30m ..
It would also be relatively realistic.
@@birbdad1842 silencers are not realistic in the first place. They don't make sound like in the movies or video games or add benefits. I'm guess you mean the normal way silence guns work in video games.
This is exactly what we need. Makes suppressors useful but not a necessity.
Killing with a superseded gun should not display a kill cam to an enemy
I think it's interesting at least that some suppressors will increase the damage range on the guns. Making them more useful over longer distances.
Always appreciate what you do for each COD game. So many mechanics and gameplay elements are unbelievably obscure and without these videos I wouldn't know over half of what is going on. Thanks Ace
here's why Suppressors are useless, the game (At this moment) has so much audio bugs that an enemy can be shooting at you and the bullets are flying past your head, but you won't hear a thing, or get any suppression . IW already added permanent suppressors for everyone! lmaoo
As a solo player that doesn’t have the time to play with my friends like I used to, it’s unfortunate not to have ghost right away because of the the squads running UAVs. So I make sure I always have a missile. I totally get why they did what they did with ghost. It does help with the camping but players who camp have never really bothered me. I’m still having fun
You’re not allowed to have fun bro, the CoD community says so.
@@brawler5760 The game seems fun but... no Barracks :(
Lotta missing features but Barracks with Combat Record and Challenges for Calling Cards and Emblems, that shit is always great and this game ain't even got that, so i'm disappointed tbh.
@@DeadSpacedOut They don’t affect me nearly as much as other people, so that’s sad but also again it doesn’t affect me. Still having fun though, though I guess you should wait until a holiday sale.
@@DeadSpacedOut can’t wait for treyarchs game
@@brawler5760 Definitely.
I noticed the compass red dot gets bigger the closer you are to the sound of fire so I would say it’s not totally redundant and I’ve used it to get a general idea of where enemies are because the audio can’t always be relied on
Suppressors are good for increasing your damage and accuracy. A great example is that they are the best attachments for shotguns. Massively boosts their one shot kill range
Their general usage may be gone, but to an extent they can still be used as good barrel attachments, like increasing damage range and recoil smoothness and all that.
That's true. Many people liked the mono suppressor in MW 2019 because it gave extra range
@@21shanks If mw2019 has minimap, mono suppressor is never added...
Yeah facts, love the lachmen sub with a suppressor
@@thebiggestbaz Honestly I hate ''trade damage range'' because it make trash for some weapons like BF2042's DM7.
I’m not gonna lie I think it’s pretty stupid that unsurpressed weapons don’t show up on the mini map
3:38 Honestly I'm starting to hate the new perk system based on what you just mentioned. I find myself making 2 loadouts when lvling a gun 1 with whatever i want, then the other with a launcher. My internal count is if 2 UVAs go up and don't get shot down I switch to the launcher loadout. Not very fun but helps me die less and helps the team so whatever. EDIT: 7:30 oh you mention switching here my bad.
I’ve always had two classes for a mid game swap. It’s usually to go invisible when the big streaks are out tho.
@@grrinc Yeah tons of reasons to make 2 loadouts with the same primary gun in this game unfortunately....
I commend you for being that teammate, to shoot down launchers. You’re the real MVP!!!
If we already need to switch classes midgame, they need to add more than 10 loadouts. It's just not enough. Too bad it would be horrible with their "UI".
I certainly don't like the way they do it but I do kinda like how more people are supporting the team now. I'm sure there's a better way to encourage teamplay than this though.
You also have to take into account that there are suppressors that *do* actually increase bullet velocity without a range penalty and effect recoil. So they aren't entirely as widely utilitarian as in previous games, but do have their uses beyond just staying off the UAV mini map, compass and such. Also just me personally, I've run into many situations where I've had delayed reactions from people when taking out someone next to them. The register the death, but don't get the direction of where it's coming from down fast enough to take me out, compared to other situations where the opposite happens and either I get turned on and killed, or end up in an unexpected gunfight. Against headset users, sure the sound dampening isn't as obvious of a thing in the moment, but it has it's major benefits against people that aren't. On top of that, it keeps me from blasting my own ears out when using a gun... There's no great sound mixing for that in 2019 or 2020. I ran a suppressor on practically everything in MW2019 not just to stay off the radar or other benefits, but for the aforementioned reason as well. Doesn't blast my ears and keeps me more situationally aware as well.
what was the point of striking thru "do" and saying "actually"
@@ShowMeYaMovez I'm used to being able to put hyphens for some emphasis rather than it being a strike out. I'll edit it.
I use one to balance me recoil a little bit.
Same on the headphones. I have to turn down my volume if I pick up someone else's unsuppressed weapon lol
@@ChuckD99 It's just a little ridiculous. Especially when the audio briefly decides that an SMG is going to sound like an AR briefly, or anything suddenly sounds like a damn marksman or battle rifle. x-x Dunno why that sound glitch happens, only seemed to have started after the season one update for me.
Great video.
I do miss the old days in MW2 though where you could be truly stealthy. Perks were instant like cold blooded and ghost and dead silence. Suppressors mattered way more. Maps were large enough that a knife-wielding riot shield maniac wasn't so viable.
Better times back then... minus 1 man army noob tubers
I prefer having a traditional mini map so it would alleviate camping since this game as many power positions and camping spots
we all do
I wish also, but its infinity ward, they dont listen for shit, and people that agree with them is people who played mw19 as their first cod and mfs who loved to camp
Unfortunately Infinity Ward design their game around low skilled players… sorry I mean ‘Sentinels’
bad
Then every runs suppressors and no difference is made
Suppressors are quite nice when using weapons with a ton of muzzle flash or if they improve bullet velocity/range. I do agree with your assessment on the perk system though Ace, the way stealth perks currently function seriously disincentivizes stealth and aggressive forms of it.
Why not use a flash hider instead? Unlike MW2019, this muzzle attachment type is now actually useful.
@@theDeathJoy silencers make the gun feel more comfortable but that’s my opinion
Something you didn't mention and that is mostly like in real life is that suppressors conceal muzzle flash pretty well from your pov as well as other players (you can see it at 1:06 ) and in most cases it adds a buff to your bullet velocity/damage range, it's like a barrel extension of sorts.
sadly it seems to add even more smoke on screen from what I've experienced.
A flash suppressor and a silencer aren't the same things. That's probably why he didn't mention it.
Real suppressors do add a lot of smoke in real life though. They conceal the flash, sure, but they're surprisingly smokey. The first time I fired a suppressed carbine in close quarters it was so smokey my eyes started burning.
Suppressors let off a hell of alot more gas aka "smoke" than if you don't have a Suppressor so it's realistic
Thank you for the info
Nice pfp
@@AngelusNielson a silencer isn't even a real term lmao, what you mean is a flash hider vs a suppressor
Love that you showed us how useless the ghost perk is without a suppressor. Would have liked it if you would've put more data out about individual suppressors. Because I mostly use the harbinger d20 for its damage range and bullet velocity increases. When I was playing with snipers a lot I'd also use a suppressor that increased damage range and bullet velocity (idk the name).
I rock the Echoline on the Sp-X
One thing I'll add; I know they improved it a bit since the beta but still Suppressors will help cut down on the excessive muzzle flashes and smoke when firing some guns. If you use a full auto weapon and are engaging with Med/Long range targets you want all the visual clarity you can get.
I would be really curious to see testing on the recoil characteristics on some suppressors vs other muzzle devices. for me if i get the small benefits you listed on top of recoil mitigation, and the gun looks dope, than im using it.
I honestly love how the muzzle flash becomes non existent tho and being a little quieter is never a bad thing.
Thanks! I was so confused on if suppressors keep you off the mini map. This is exactly what I was looking for.
I always use silencers. Its great for being stealthy. You can compensate for the downsides by tweaking the ads speed and bullet range in the tuning.
A few things are missing:
1: does having a suppressor make it easier to hear others?
2: muzzle flash
3: how do the suppressors stack up to other attachments? Are their downsides too severe? Are the other muzzles any good (we saw this with the close range vanguard meta and the recoil booster)?
You didn’t even watch the video…
The only thing I was looking for in this video was “does a suppressor show up if someone has birdseye equips?” I guess I’ll have to figure that out myself.
Ace I always look for your videos. Very well done and no bullshit about how great you are. Some of the other guys are super annoying, but your videos are straight to the facts. THank you!
Thank you for these videos as I edited my classes completely due to your helpful videos!
I think the whole reason the red dots were added in the first place, is because most people when the mechanic was introduced, were playing on tv speakers, not headphones, directional audio wasn’t really easy to use when it came to locating enemies, but now that most if not all gamers have crazy good headsets, they aren’t needed anymore
I agree except deaf old player...
Its far from perfect, but they seemed to have met their goal with the changes in that everyone is not running suppressors on their weapons 100% of the time. There are more pros and cons now and in effect will lead to more variety in attachment setups. It is also clear to me that they have changed from a design perspective of audio cue focus over visual cue focus when assessing threats in game.
@@captainquark9116 yep 😑
Specifically for noise reduction I've noticed it does help a lot. I use it for platinum grinding but I've noticed that between the muzzle flash suppression and the silencing, people have a hard time pin pointing you.
Hey Ace, great video man! Love your content! I will say this about the perk system, since no one has their ultimate perk (quick fix, ghost, Alert) the first half of the match feels like a race to dominate the map, get UAV up asap, and take the lead. Then the last half gets tougher when every ultimate is charged. It's an interesting dynamic to get use to. But on the other hand, if they wanted this to spice the game up it should have been a separate game mode. Also I don't think I will be using silencers unless they help significantly with range.
Actually the compass does show distance. The diamond is smaller the further they are
And it's still useless
That's not really distance, if I ask someone where the nearest Gas Station is and they say "That way, far" that doesn't help much if i'm low on Gas, distance is exact (like if they said "It's 2 and a half Miles that way") or at the very least a close estimate (like if they said "It's around 2-3 Miles that way") so since there's no exact numbers, there's not a clear distance from where you are to the enemy. Even if there's an enemies teammate near them with a slightly bigger diamond on the Compass, you know that that enemy is closer, but still not by how much. The vagueness of the Compass is what makes it kind of redundant, as Ace said.
yeah, but would be cool they let people increase the size of the diamonds, i don't know why the made it so small in this game
Lol… “how far is gas station?”
“Small red diamond”
@@grrinc MW 2019 players be like:
I find a suppressor is very usefull for guns that have a lot of muzzle flash, helps me stay on target way easier
I’m happy with the changes. We don’t need cookie cutter releases every year and they’re finally moving in the right direction. Now I can enjoy other attachments on my barrel.
Thanks for the video! I didn't know how weird it was, but it's nice to know it has some practical use. (albeit slight) I always run one just because it sounds nice, looks nice, and some of them help with recoil.
Suppressors (some) on the shotguns increase damage range, would be interesting to see the data
It seems like suppressors are useful for increasing range, or in some cases mitigating recoil
They also have the added benefit of counter intelligence in a lot of cases. They make it harder to pinpoint your location, you also don't show up on UAV Radar and compass radar.
And then there's the general satisfaction of using a suppressed weapon and feeling like a stealthy operator.
Some guns are just loud asf its cool to suppress them a lil bit lmao
Thanks for a quick and clear explanation
In terms of the compass pinging active shooters, I find it helpful determining when gunshots I hear are Friendlies or Enemies
Maybe I am missing it but I'd love either a toggle or on screen indicator of which tier perk is active 🤔.
worth pointing out that suppressors in other cods conferred a penalty to bullet velocity and range (counterintuitively) whereas now since the minimap benefit is lessened, they intuitively increase bullet velocity and damage range due to their barrel-lengthening feature. so they actually become pretty useful attachments just for base stats
You do realize that suppressors reduce bullet velocity and range in real life right? It doesn’t increase the length of the barrel itself at all. Tell me you know nothing about guns without telling you know nothing about guns.
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Yeah no, suppressors barely affect velocity, sometimes positively, sometimes negatively. But it’s below a 1% difference either way.
@@natefiet4961 you are so confidently wrong its nuts
@@natefiet4961 early suppressors, absolutely. advancements in technology in more modern suppressors have eliminated those downsides completely. go ahead and spend 60 seconds on a google search, whether it proves me wrong or right it would be better than taking uninformed comments with no support as fact.
I definitely think these changes are more for Warzone and DMZ things like the compass and distance are much more of a priority when your dealing with a huge map with many different points of interest.
Good work right here thanks!
You mentioned that the compass doesn't show any range information, but it definitely gives you a distance range. The diamond is bigger or smaller depending on how far the person shooting is from you. I've used it a few times to determine what room someone was inside of when you are in a building with multiple rooms
Exactly!
Oooo thx!
I don't think the compass is redundant for me at least. Especially in smaller maps where gunfights are happening all over the place, I can't tell which sounds are enemy fire or friendly fire so having the extra Intel of the red diamonds helps a lot and I also think people don't use them nearly as much as they should
That's kinda a double issue. They need to make the compass a bit more visible AND people need to rely less on the mini-map
@@FireTrainer92 this is why hardcore mode will be the best...next to no hud so it'll make suppressors more useful/tactical gameplay
@@Gamer4Lyfe1989 if you have to have entire other mode that's not a good thing even if I were to agree with that premise
Compass is amazing for wallbangs, you can only hear roughly where someone is without it but with the compass you can perfectly centre your aim exactly where the red dot is.
In most situations you'll know which height they are at because you can hear them and can usually just guess based on map knowledge.
Absolutely vile advice, I gotta try fishing for wallbangs with the compass tonight
Ive found some supressors that not only add range but overall damage as well. Supressors seem totally viable over certain breeches and comps
I would use one if it suppressed SBMM. I have just about had all I’m gonna take with this game already
Some suppressor accurately increase damage range in MWII, as they do in real life.
Before having watched the video, my personal experience as a player who builds for damage/damage range/ads on most weapons is that i find myself using supressors on most of my weapon builds.
It's a bummer that they removed blips for shots, but in the end most of my game have UAV up like 80% of the match, so it doesn't really bother me as much as i thought it would.
Changing the mini map and enhancing the footsteps makes this so much more sweaty (and of course the sbmm). I remember being able to listen to music and still doing well 🤦♂️
Suppressors in general: I agree with you for the most part but some of them that only make that "tin can sound" or whatever you wanna call it....those are VERY HARD TO PIN POINT FAST, so I think they are EXTREMELY GOOD IN NO RESPAWN MODES, where even if it only takes the enemy half a second longer to pinpoint you i think it's worth. EDIT: I also think there are some niche uses for it in tight buildings/rooms. This is just my personal experience, but I've been able to get triple or quad kills out of random luck b/c I sneak up/flank 3 guys and shoot the one in the back and more than half the time if the other 2 are looking forward they don't even notice or can't tell where it came from.
Hey ace, idk if you've addressed this yet, but do you know what happens to your charged perks when you switch classes? As in if you picked a hyper agro class and rushed your ultimate perk, then switched to another class, would you get the other class' ult perk immediately or would you need to charge it again? I don't remember how it worked in the beta (or if they changed it if they did)
as the charge up time is bound to match time and ur kills/captures etc, it will most likely stay charged, except its buggy
It stays charged, also It works with whatever current charged perks you have atm, tho it may say otherwise in game when you reach your ult, the visual and dialogue cue contradict each other so disregard that, it’s whatever you equip
to be honest I actually never even noticed the mini map not working as usual during mw2019, I just assumed everybody was using a suppressor. I feel like when I was younger on the old MW games etc I relied on the map a lot but nowadays I just use gamesense to figure out where people are; especially in this game where you can hear everything an enemy is doing
Wow I might be the only one not having this problem. When people shoot an none suppressed gun around me it always shows up on my map. And I would say the same for people I play against. I notice the difference in how they react when i shoot with one.
What about the suppressors that increase bullet velocity and damage range?
nothing in this world makes any sense
@@wtrpddles you mean Call of Duty world?
I would say especially the ones for recoil control are pretty good
@@legoshi6769
This world
@@wtrpddles everything is as it should be
I find that the actual sound suppression works well to stay stealthy. People just find it more difficult to locate you based on the sound of your gun firing.
Edit: I should mention I play mostly ground war.
From my experience if you are playing sneaky and happen to find yourself behind 2 or 3 players, a suppressor may be the difference in you killing 1 or all 3 of the enemies. Like you say even in a small room it's hard to tell where it's coming from at first.
@@Romoredux I agree, I noticed the same thing. Sometimes it helps you stay undetected for just a second or two longer and that's all you need to win some gunfights. Especially when flanking, which I do a lot.
Would be cool to see the difference walking up on a suppressed smg vs assault rifle. I bet the suppressor on the smg is a lot more effective. They pay quite a bit of attention to realism in this game.
Thank you for your time and posting. For me, I just play the game, I get the guns I want and don't try for anything else. I just like shooting and camping. :)
I hate how a core feature only works when someone has a UAV up
Good thing there's almost always at least one UAV overhead!
/s
It's crazy how bad the perk system is, and how stubborn IW is being over it. It is definitely one of the bigger detractors of fun for this game for me and my friends.
Stats weren't mentioned at all, but a lot of them help manage recoil and increase range or velocity, so they have benefits other than the minimap or sound. Also I find it refreshing that the suppressors don't totally silence the guns in this game.
All my end game shotguns have a particular suppressor on them for this reason alone. Turns them from a close range to a medium range weapon for one pops.
Of course nothing will ever compare to having akimbo sawed off double barrels with sniper scopes on HC SND. but I'll take what i can get.
Great video thanks
Hope we are gonna see an option to use the perk system from the previous games. The incentive to use the new system could be the ability to pick 4 perks vs the old system's 3.
Definitely noticed the tone of the sound changes at specific distances. >60m it's a short click. Once you get to 59m the sound adds a bit of an echo.
Suppressors also have different attributes now than just "suppressing sound". They have recoil mitigations, damage range increase and other benefits on several of them. I think but am not sure that they might help with muzzle flash and the smoke as well when firing the gun. So, all those things combine to make them useful even though there isn't a "classic" minimap.
Sound is a little bit dampened as well so might be harder to pick out an enemy shooting if a lot of other shooting taking place as well.
I was thinking the same with the forgrips? They're are so many of them, but are they worth using?
The pineapple one seems to be pretty useful on the Lach 762 and Taq 56
Same with lasers
I know on Beta the "Pineapple" grip helped ALOT with horizontal recoil mainly...but w/out exact numbers and what not you're gonna have to wait for Ace to test or test yourself. No clue if the "pineapple" grip is still "the best" attachment for recoil like it was on Beta, kind of doubting it since we had limited access to everything on beta.
Had no idea they changed how the red dots show up.. Thanks!
I think the third and ultimate perk selections should be one category. You just pick which one you get at the middle of a match and which to get towards the end.
Assuming they don't plan on changing this new perk system.
My issue with the compass is playing cod for so long my brain is trained to pay attention to the mini map with my peripherals. I also feel like looking up away from the fighting field puts me at a disadvantage. I basically ignore the compass all game.
which is what they want you to do because it’s what noobs do and that’s what they catered this game too
(not saying you are)
the compass is more useful in Warzone (obviously) and Ground War/Invasion where the maps are so much more bigger, more people and more things going on
@@deagle2yadome696 lol 😂. Feels like a shot. When it comes to using the compass sure I'm a noob but not with everything else that matters.
@@winssports4830 nah no shots taken at you I also mis read this because I thought you meant mini map and not compass originally 💀
@@deagle2yadome696 lmfao 🤣
Even with this evidence I feel like I do better with a suppressor on which is weird could be the other benefits the suppressor provides. It also could just be a placebo effect lol.
It’s mostly placebo. I have the same feeling. Suppressors make me feel like I have no recoil even tho it’s not changing. It makes the gun feel smoother. It’s a weird feeling
@@latrelljack8751 ha ha glad it's not just me.
It wouldn't be the first time attachments didn't show stats correctly
And surpressors hide you if there's a UAV up which is almost always currently.
People relying on watching dots move may not be noticing you as much
@@iamcxd9782 this is very true. Irritates the crap out of me Ghost is an ultimate perk.
When I was using a suppressor on the AUG AR I honestly couldn't even tell if I was using a suppressor and I had to check multiple times that I actually had it equipped.
I think suppressors work better in longer range engagements. I used them in MW2019 to hunt snipers with marksman rifles and lower zoom optic (for no glint), so that snipers don't pick up on your location as quickly. Especially the large suppressors which also increase damage range.
I really really wish iw would do a Dev conference explaining their reasonings and expectations for some of the mechanics they made its so baffling
UAV is the new meta streak...
It should be a higher tiered streak now.
My only problem with a UAV heavy game is how on some maps the uavs are difficult to find and shoot down
People in the comment section acting like a UAV isn't up 80% of the time. Must be playing search and destroy all day.
At this point I'm really just waiting to see if Ace can release a complete thesis dissecting modern warfare and all of its interesting intricacies.
Get this man an honorary mba
The compass does give an estimate of distance. The further away the fire is the smaller the dot on the compass is. You actually showed that when you did the audible range comparison.
since the game is catered to campers, a camp chair would be more useful than a supressor at this point.
I’m not seeing these campers tbh.
@@grrinc might not but it's extemely obvious whomst the target audience is. loud asf footsteps, indestructable doors, ghost as an ultimate perk, instant TTK, MW2019 minimap and suppressors being useless are enough proof of that i guess.
@@waltuh1 oh I agree that the game mechanics have certainly leaned into the camping play style for sure. It’s just I haven’t really encountered enough to say it’s a problem - yet!
Maybe Christmas will be the time
@@grrinc @grrinc we're gonna wreck the shit out of christmas noobs if SBMM lets us lol.
Why can’t they just make a playlist with traditional mini map 🤦♀️
because nobody would play any other game mode and it would prove IWs logic to be completely wrong and god forbid they get proven wrong
I like suppressors for their recoil mitigation as well as aesthetic, they look cool
Thanks for explaining all this. Just to clarify if you fire unsilenced the dot is constant? I think not showing up on the compass is good too..
The fact that audio cues are more important now makes suppressors relevant.
The developers at infinity ward failed to recognize that taking the red dots off the mini map when firing an unsuppressed weapon would NOT stop people from relying on red dots. I’ve played around 10 hours of this game already and noticed that the difference between a good team and a bad team is the amount of UAVs one team can get in a game. Which ever team gets the first UAV usually comes out on top no matter what. Because the team with the UAV knows where everyone is during the first half of the game and the team without the UAV keeps dying and dying bc they have no way to counter the UAV without A. Shooting it down or B. Calling a counter UAV. and by the time they counter it the other team can already have enough kills for a UAV while the team who never got one can’t do anything but hope for the best.
In conclusion it makes the game lop sided and makes UAVs stronger than intended. It also makes “better” players stronger than subpar more casual players because the likely hood of someone getting a UAV completely depends on how many kills/points someone can get. If the “better” player gets more kills and uses a UAV then the casual player suffers. Therefore making their entire argument moot.
Suppressors serve to make pinpointing via directional audio more difficult and to help with recoil control(mostly visual). It particularly becomes obvious when playing search, prisoner rescue or whatever none respawn mode. Also if you've not yet noticed, suppressors sound is not all equal. There are some extremely quiet suppressors that can almost feel like the game is bugged. I actually can't tell if it's an actual audio bug or if it's a feature.
The usefulness comes from the recoil damage range and bullet velocity on top of tha little red dot disappearing as soon as I see a dot show up on the compass I go to it or look
They're pretty much only useful as recoil mitigation and to boost bullet velocity and range. I think thats pretty helpful, especially since we don't have any other muzzle devices that boost range and velocity. But I also think we should get a classic mini-map back. It would certainly help reduce the effectiveness of camping
Thoughts on how the attachment unlock system works? I feel like it’s pretty ridiculous
Yea it's ridiculous lol as someone who plays 10 maybe 12 hours a week it's gonna take me forever to unlock attachments lol
@@thetankman8 it’s not that hard. Play private matches
Compass does provide useful distance information. If you are moving and the enemy is shooting, you can make a best guess on how far away by looking at how quickly they are moving on the compass, if their red dot is moving quickly, they are close, maybe on the other side of a wall. If it's barely moving they are probably on the other side of a building maybe. Apart from footsteps, its a good way to guess if a building is clear or not. For those times where the enemy is moving and shooting, it will make it a little harder, but will still be able to give you a best guess on how far they are.
Sure, you can use your ears to do this too, but what about the times you aren't using a headset?
Ace, can you do one on recoil control, stabilization, smoothness and what those mean?
Does anyone actually enjoy this new perk system?
no
Nope. Also don't like the new gunsmith. I would rather not have to level up guns I don't want just to get attachments for the one I do want to use
It’s not inherently BAD, just the old one is better. Plus there was NO reason to change it, it worked just fine
Yup! 4 perks plus an easy to earn Dead Silence? Count me in!
I enjoy it as much as a colonoscopy.
Thanks. I didn’t know you actually show up on the enemy mini map when firing a unsurpressed gun even if you have ghost
Great video. Would like to know what the caliber was of the tested gun and also wonder if calibers and ammunition loads (like subsonic) have different sound signatures. Does a subsonic 9mm suppressed at 100m sound different from a . 308 suppressed at the same range. I'm not even sure MW went that far in depth.
I have the fennec maxed out and i use the tac ninja barrel and i have it tuned for recoil steadiness.
Suppressors that lower the recoil and increase bullet range are the best.
I love em.
What about the other "perks" and disadvantages of the suppressor, like ADS, Recoil control, etc?
The UAV being constantly in the air is why every single one of my classes has a luncher as my secondary. Everyone can already track your every movement because of the bigfoot like footsteps, least I can do for my teammates is remove the threat of UAV's.