Why the Death Stars were ALWAYS destined to FAIL (Legends and Canon)
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- The two Death Stars were always destined to fail, even without their various issues examined in the movies. We examine why, in both Star Wars Legends and Canon, on today's Star Wars lore video!
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Look, I will tell you why the death stars were doomed to failure. Its simple economics and commercialism.
Never Name your product Death Star, unless you dont want it to be a popular seller.
just like doctor death, bad naming, you name your product or place or person after death or disease causing things, and suddenly no one wants to buy and eat your death fries or deadly plague pizza.... Pringles has long struggled with this, but mcdonalds has conquered it to such a degree they can sell literal deadly products marketed as edible food... hahahahaaha.... and dont get me started on cigerates... back when people were worried about what you put in your stomache they thought why not put it in your lungs instead, but they didnt adapt to when the market changed to edible drugs.... tsk tsk
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Not to mention the gunner, who pulled the trigger when Alderaan was destroyed, that hesitated pulling the trigger on Yavin.
The Noticer of Things thanks
They explore that in the now "legends" novel on the Death Star.
@The Noticer of Things doing as your name suggests i see
@@marsar1775 and like a sneaky serpent you got just ahead of me to make this comment.
He bought the rebels the few extra seconds they needed to blow up the station.
Princess Leia: "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
Bag of Bones Mmhmm
Perfectly sums up this conundrum.
She sure knew her dictators
Now imagine if Tarkin instead had CIS robot army and Star Forge. Woopsie, it suddenly starts making sense and working:P
@@TheArklyte The CIS droid army would be easy to replicate and upgrade along the way but the number of credits and resources would exponentially be high.
As for the Star Forge...good luck with that.
So eventually someone on the death star would "accidentally"drop a thermal detonator into the main rector than say "Mesa back!"
"Is that Stormtrooper drunk?!"
"No sir, that's...just the gungan squad."
Oh god, don’t tell me the Empire anal probed Jar Jar
@@battlesheep2552 jar jar will never be the same again -darth jar jar- poor jar jar
Jar Jar had a knack for doing everything wrong
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The short answer is that the architects forgot to account for telepathic, light-bending space wizards
So true. I love this answer
or the fact that you can throw bombs down a magnetic shaft if you find a way to propel it... like say attaching rockets to it :/
hahahaha
Nah. Rebels would not need a light-bending wizards if they did the sensible thing and divebombed the exhaust port :)
Canonical considerations
If the DSI had survived Yavin.
Next target would have been in the Mandalor Sector, and most people would have been fine with that, delaying the point at which the DS crew starts causing problems. The reason for this is two fold: Mandalorians were not part of the Alliance to Restore the Republic and didn't want to be; history is against the Mandalorians. Imperial propaganda wouldn't have to work hard to turn the entire galaxy against the Mandalorians, because almost every planet and race had been effected by prior Mandalorian conquests. The Mandalorians obviously put up a very strong fight and things got bad enough for Imperial forces during the Mandalor Sector Uprising that an ISB officer had to take charge and start the Purge, while Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine were busy focusing on finding Luke Skywalker. If the DS I survived Yavin then Tarkin and Vader turn their attention to the Mandalorians and the citizens of the Empire would cheer them on.
The Great Purge solved the Mandalore problem nicely. It broke their rebellion, it broke their spirit, and it broke their resolve. The next target would be Mon Cal which at this point was well known to be supplying starships for the Alliance.
"Do not press a desperate foe too hard" Sun Tzu (The Art of War)
Because they didn't store enough toilet paper on it
When you start thinking about the logistics of the deathstar, it gets sillier, There must have been Dedicated supply runs to the station of nothing but toilet paper, just so its massive population would be able to wipe their own asses, not to mention I doubt that the Admirals on board used the same paper as the storm troopers and the Army of janitors forking day and night to make sure the bathrooms are clean.
@@tanith117 They could recycle a lot of the toilet paper and other stuff, there could be a factory on the station, since they have a garbage compactor. Why would they have one if they didn't plan on reusing the metal?
@@victorbruant389 That brings up another thing. That dianoga, it has to be there on purpose, there must be a population of them onboard for the sole purpose of eating trash. And if so who came up with the idea?
@@tanith117 Believe it or not, I just found out that the Dianoga has a backstory, that's one thing that's great about Star Wars, every side character has a story
To sum up the death star, it's a damn waste of credits for some disco ball of death.
The philosophy of the Empire is insane. "Oh, our largest resistance group uses snub fighters to hit-and-run attack our big capital ships. Let's make a monstrously huge planet-killing battlestation with tiny technical weaknesses that only a snub fighter could hit to quell it."
Well the death star flaw was made by Galen erso
@@wesleygaray2666 This goes for Legends as well. Sheer stupidity. And then, the idiots decide that they need to sink more resources into building a second one!
@@benjaminbrockway5998 palps selling the idea to have he empire: listen I know the last got beat by what 6 small fighters well get this the rebels are stronger than ever but we can beat them we Ray shield the death star and put one regiment to protect it, but don't worry cause it's our best troops. For a added bonus there on evil cannibal teddy bears on the planet but don't worry their bows are most likely too weak to break armor
They started combating that with the tie incteceptor.
Except, you know, the afterthought addition was that the whole point of Death Star was a an area denial weapon against Yuzhan Vong invasion.
Peasant, “Listen. Strange giant battle stations with lightning hands, blowing up planets. Is not a basic distribution of government.”
Palpatine, “Be quiet!”
Peasant, “Supreme judiciary power, derives from the mandate of the masses. Not just unlimited power.”
Palpatine, “Be quiet!”
Peasant, “I mean, if I told everyone if I hold untamed raw power that could destroy galaxies, they throw me away.”
Palpatine, “Bloody peasant!”
I never really liked the Death Star from a logistical point of view. Let's say it constitutes at least fifteen percent of the Imperial Fleet, the station itself and all of its ships and personnel. I'm not sure about you, but I wouldn't want all of that tied up in one location; it's like putting a 'Kick me!' sign on your back.
That is ripe for abuse as well as sabotage. Personally, I would have dropped a Detonator pack into the reactor five-finger style and moved away, perishing with the station. No fanfare, no clue what happened or why, just a debris cloud in the middle of nowhere. Sure, the Rebellion is likely going to wonder what happened, but the less they know the better. They have bigger concerns. Running a stateless war is not easy.
Sorry, Lord Vader, I'm not exactly going to live long enough for you to crush my throat if the plan goes like I detailed.
You don't even need the detonator. The reactor is inherently unstable in both timelines, all it takes is one angry member if IT disabling the safeties and it looks like the station blew itself up. If the empire's greatest weapon blows up by "accident", the outrage will be aimed directly at palpatine. What better opportunity to egg the moffs into splitting into countless petty warlords?
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I think an argument could be made that in the long run, Palpatine would have been able to use his force powers to corrupt the minds of the crew of the Death Star. We've seen dark lords use the force to control entire crews in situations like KOTOR so I would presume Palpatine could corrupt an entire planet sized station of people.
You make a good point, humanity is why Death Stars aren’t as invincible as people think.
I personally find the Imperial biological weapons more interesting, right after their ships and starfighters that is. Fits their anti-alien sentiment.
Disney Star Wars is currently like the Death Star.
No, because we can't destroy it with a huge explosion.
I hope that was the case.
I think going off the Tarkin Doctrine it would be far better to stay away from massive projects like the Death Star and build more Star Destroyers. Like sure the Death Star can kill a planet in a single shot but Tarkin is all about fear. You don't get as much fear from that as you do a Base Delta Zero barrage. The Delta Zero gives people a chance to escape and spread the word of "Don't mess with the empire or this will happen to you." Also you can build so many ships from the materials used to build even the Death Star One.
Wow! That would have been a logical solution but...
Too bad, fanfictions can fix that one now!
An imperial general stated that 100 Executors could be made from the material used to build the Death Star.
@@robertnelson9599 *S H A M E*
If only the empire could manufacture cyclonic torpedoes
@@shatteredstar2149 You got the Sun Crusher.
Is exterminatus really that needed?
Blind we are, if deployment of the garrison we could not see.
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@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 Pfff, another elliptical Galaxy... ;-)
@@yourstruly4817 Hey, you got a problem with my thickness?
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 you like to eat pretty Spiral galaxies and get ugly in the process, plus you barely create any new stars
First of all, I prefer to not have new stars coming out of me for I am not the parental type.
Spiritual essence is the good shit that is passing through me right now.
Second of all, you have the audacity to compare me to one of those gluttonous greedy Galaxies that care only for themselves and not have standards for others.
I WAS BORN LIKE THIS! It's like making fun of an inbred cousin from another family, and that hurts my cosmic heart!
I totally agree, the Empire could’ve gotten the job done with simply more ISD’s. Now the super ISD’s could still be practical, keep them in reserve and mainly use them when you need something a bit stronger. I remember that this is what Thrawn would have done.
I love me a good dreadnaught...
Alex Yoblick good point
Admiral Motti Planned to STEAL the Death Star and Become Emperor in the legends continuity. Even Tarkin gave it some consideration, The death star was a bad idea from conception.
And it's been kind of re-introduced in the Certain Point of View book, too.
I remember something from (now) Legends, where IG-88 had successfully uploaded his conscious into the mainframe of the 2nd Death Star undetected, & had it not been destroyed at Endor he would've basically been able to seize control of the galaxy.
I forget if this is legends or not but: Death vader opposed the death star's creation for that reason and even warned Palpatine such a thing could happen if he were to make it and Vader was ignored by Palpatine.
I’d love to see a “Star Wars 4.5” centering around imperial officers initially supporting the Empire’s policies as a necessary means to an end (like your previous “Good Empire/Imperials” vid), then getting doubts upon hearing news of Alderaan, then getting those doubts buried when they hear about Yavin, then going on a long journey exploring the depths of the Empire’s lies, and ultimately seeing the increasing grey morality of the Rebellion (like in Rogue One).
The Empire was doomed the minute Palpatine ordered the construction of the Death Star. It wasted too many resources.
Boi never doubt the senate himself
@@sicksadworld765 bruh, i love *THE SENATE* , but he lost 2 death stars, and the Soverein & the Eclipse SSDs in legends, and all of then was in stupid ways
The first Death Star was started by the CIS, so he would have just had to stop its construction.
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Hey Eck, I would really love to see a video about the end of legends and where the story left off before the Disney acquisition. Also would love details on what stories might have been in the works that got canned. Thanks!
An idea I had for fan fiction/ AU way back in the 1990s was a showdown between Death Stars 1 and 2. I thought up a further scenario where Biggs' shot disables the DS1 and Tarkin surrenders the battle station.
#askeck Where did Palpatine’s hatred of none humans come from? If I’m misreading things, then y did he embrace humanocentrism?
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either it was something he developed in his youth or he knew that many members of the Republic were humans and hence promoting pro-human sentiment would be easy to help him unite his subjects
@@granmastersword In canon or legends, I don't think Palpatine really had hardcore bigotry towards non-humans. Rather the guy was such a righteous bastard that he tolerated and even encouraged it to divide and conquer the galaxy. If the people who made up his power base hated weird aliens, Palpatine didn't care as long as they served his will.
@@hugocardenas9180 the anti-alien bigotry in the Empire due to the Separatists was more propaganda than reality. The choose those alien races because they were rich and could be used as convenient enemy to unite humans. Typical us versus them thinking. Palpatine then continued it as a way of dividing the species of the galaxy. Even the Empires treatment of aliens differed depending on the species, the Wookies were treated as slaves while others such as Hutts were trading partners.
Palpatine himself wasn't anti alien as his master Plageius was an Muun and he recruited Thrawn due to his brilliance.
I always thought of Palpatine as too much of a genius mastermind to hamper himself with irrational bigotry, it’s all for a purpose. If human supremacy makes Imperials more fanatically loyal then why not encourage it? If Wookies are strong and enslaving them is somewhat acceptable because much of the galaxy thinks they aren’t sapient, then why not use wookie slave labor?
He’s evil, he’s a sociopath, he doesn’t give a crap. He’ll oppress anybody if it’ll help his plans.
@@hugocardenas9180 oh yeah, right. Many members of the CIS were aliens that were neglected by the republic
I think it always deemed to fail because it was too large so it was a huge dump of resources but more importantly manpower you can always replace resources but you can’t replace experienced manpower at least not easily also it would’ve been much easier in my opinion to just make a lot more super star destroyer then make a deathstar
Windex exactly how Thrawn felt. If you took all the resources and manpower needed to build each Death Star, you could make several extra super star destroyers and dozens upon dozens of extra regular ISD’s. Plus while the Death Stars were powerful, they could only be in one place at a time. A bunch of extra ISD’s on the other hand could still get the job done and be in more places at once.
Coruscant alone could easily have supplied the crew for the death star. In a galaxy the size of star wars', its not that big of a deal. they have trillions upon trillions of people to recruit from.
ISD's get spread out, defeated in detail. A flawless death-star type design is invincible.
People are always ignoring the benefits of centralizing power. If you have a thousand ISD's and deploy them to one battle, you might lose one. you repeat that a thousand times, you dont have ISD's any more. Just like how all the ISD's slowly got wittled down after the battle of endor.
But if you get a death star without weak points, then it takes no damage during each battle. Unless the enemy can field enough firepower to destroy it in one go, its invincible, so it can just keep on going. One battle, a thousand, ten-million, it doesnt matter. It cant be weakened by attrition.It "forces" the enemy to either destroy it or run, they cant use hit and run tactics.
There was that one guy who had his competing superweapon project to make robot stormtroopers that could be better distributed throughout the galaxy, but that got exploded at the last moment right after it started operating. Imperial superweapons have a habit of that.
@@lenkagamine4145 while there are uncounted trillions in the Star Wars galaxy that number drops rapidly when the Empire treats all aliens as 2nd class citizens or slaves and women as inferior to men. This limits you to just human males, many will disagree with your governing philosophy and fight against you. Even for those populations that support you many will not have the physical or mental strengths to make good soldiers.
The Death Star will also take attritional damage from the thousands or millions of battles you suggested. Even at Yavin we saw TIE fighters getting shot down and torpedo strikes damaging the hull and killing personnel. After a few dozen battles such as this the Death Star would have to be sent back for repair and resupply.
The problem of having 1 all powerful super weapon is what happens when you need to be in 2 or more places at once. FTL travel in the Star Wars universe isn't instantaneous so a mass coordinated strike at dozens of targets by enemy forces or attacks that are to small to warrant moving a gigantic battle station across the galaxy would render the Death Star useless. Then the size and associated running costs or food, fuel, ammo, etc would make a smaller more mobile and flexible option better.
The only thing that the Death Star would do better than a fleet of similar size and cost is destroying Vong worldships, although the sheer destructive power of it's super laser would be overkill.
Not much to say on the Death Star on my part, but speaking of those who deserted to the rebellion, Kalllus's arc is one of my favorite part of Rebels and all of Star Wars. Seeing in Season 4 with his badass beard working with the crew of the Ghost made me happy
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So, to put it another way:
In an attempt to quash a rebellion, the likelihood for more rebellion increases.
As if everyone in the entire Galaxy is going to surrender after introducing the Death Star!
Yep, the best way to quash rebellion isn't to punish after the fact, but to take care of people before that point is reached.
Both by working to improve conditions (who's gonna overthrow a benevolent dictatorship?) and by discreetly black-bagging any remaining dissidents.
But more than anything, propoganda is key.
It works for North Korea. They think Kim is better at martial arts than Neo, a Michelin star chef, the greatest sportsman ever born, a charismatic humanitarian, a sex god, a genius inventor and that he could bullseye a rat with a sniper rifle from 2 miles away.
Because he has successfully quashed any other news sources, so they only learn what he wants them to.
Despicable, but highly effective.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human Not everyone in the Star Wars universe is not like your average easily manipulated North Korean.
JASOE the sentient Eye shaped Galaxy Maybe not, but if they're dead...well, can't use their smarts then.
They crazy expensive and a waste of resources. I don't even think Disney realized that with their so-so films.
Laughing in 1b profit
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They would build a Death Star for SJWs, don’t tempt them.
In my mind the Death Stars do represent an ultimate weapon. They can take out a shielded planet with a single shot and would be difficult to take down with a fleet, without literary plot armor elements. Most other weapons of planetary destruction or orbital bombardments could be mitigated by planetary shields or other defenses. The only exception to this would be weapons that take out a star and destroy a solar system.
Hey bruh, bruh, just lightspeed a cruiser into it bruh, cruisemissile bruh.
al6954 As awesome as that attack was, let’s be honest: That’s a one in a million shot guv’na. The Raddus’ shields were experimental (highly functional to withstand firepower from the Supremacy), which made such a maneuver all the more impressive
But it was even MORE impressive given that SO much attention was given to the experimental shields in the movie! I mean, they mentioned it, like... right? They did, didn't they? Wait. They didn't? Not even allude to it? Not once? Oh.
Easy, put some thrusters, the experimental shield, a computer, and a hyperdrive on an astroid.
"the Empire was filled with a mix of people trying to get by, uneducated or unaware of the atrocities of the Empire, or, at the very least, not purely evil"
man, put that way, the Empire reminds me of the Titans from Zeta Gundam.
When the ability to glass a planet from any ship is on the table the real threat of the death star is very minimal. Like going from a nuke in a city to a slightly bigger nuke. I don't really care how much arbitrary extra stuff you're planning to kill if you're already killing so much.
@Matthew Chenault If you glass just a decent chunk of a planet it would be unable to support life. Between the heat and ash the planets temperature would rise so dramatically that you wouldn't be able to stand on it without protective gear, not to mention the left over radiation. Using a glassed planet for the next 5-10 years would be impractical to impossible depending on how thoroughly it was glassed
@Matthew Chenault A number of ships yeah, but the empire had 25,000 imperial star destroyers, manpower cost is no issue to the empire. Not to mention that you don't need to shoot every square foot of planet. Assuming we go by something like halo logic where they said that it would take a large covenant fleet (comparable to the unsc's fleet) 30 years to glass every inch of reach, but they don't need to, just glassing large section of the planet would be more then sufficient to kill the local echo system and leave the planet uninhabitable for years to come. By the time of halo 5 they were just starting to clear planets surface of the glass. which as at minimum had to be more then 6 years since the human covenant war ended in 2552 but it likely got glassed way before then. Imagine so utterly destroying a place no one could live there for over 6 years. If you think that's not very effective you'll have to look back at the Vietnam war, which star wars takes many references from, where the US would attack Vietcong positions and then have to leave them only for the Vietcong to retake it. So destroying a place so they can't use it for years? Yeah that's already more effective. It also means you aren't forever breaking a resource you might need in the future.
Yeah... That small rock hit the earth 66 million years ago. That's a fairly large amount of time for things to come back.
If they do have a secret base so far down that you can turn the surface of a planet into slag then congrats you're now stuck. You can't get out because the surface is completely melted over. That's assuming that the heat or radiation from it didn't cook your bunker.
I'll agree it's more deadly, but it's the equivalent to bringing a jackhammer to a surgery. You wasted an inexcusably large amount of funding for a weapon that is ill-suited to the task of hunting and destroying a smaller force. If you have to go down past the crust of the planet (around 70 kilometers) your already wasting effort on all sides. The amount of effort required to build a base that deep is astoundingly miss-guided when for the time and effort required to make that one base you could have dozens if not hundreds in all sorts of places, the weapon that powerful is also a gigantic target for counter attacks and if you're plan is to go planet by planet shooting at any world that might have rebels on it you've already wasted time and effort moving this big thing around and giving them plenty of time to leave.
To top all that off excessive shows of force from an oppressive government only galvanize resistance. We see this in almost every revolution in our history and especially in the star wars universe. So "more efficient" from a time perspective yeah if your only goal is to make shit blow up, but astronomically less so from every other perspective of trying to eliminate a smaller more agile group.
@Matthew Chenault The size of the fleet is irrelevant. We're not talking about a war of attrition here, this is fighting a rebellion that's not able to match you ship for ship. A single ship over a rebel base can just flatten it and the surrounding area with no effort. Unlike the human covenant war where ground invasions were unnecessary in most situations so annihilating the population from orbit made sense, but in the galactic civil war you'd just be nuking your own planets. Those are still your property you are blowing up. Bringing an entire fleet would be costly yes, it is also over kill to fight a group that's combat ability is mostly small fighters but the empire kept doing that anyway.
Again, the only way the Death Star is more efficient is time. The build cost is was already unjustifiably large not to mention the R&D cost. For the same price tag you could build nearly a thousand Executors. Each one of which could glass a planets surface without the name to totally annihilate it and be far more versatile. As for the Death Stars "a mobile space station with enough weaponry to absolutely annihilate any fleet it comes across and can do whatever it wants with little to no consequence." Yeah no, considering it was blown up not once but twice and it's more powerful successor, Star Killer Base, was also blown up. Because putting all your eggs in one basket just makes it a bigger target. And it isn't like this is a conventional war, the rebellion wasn't going to swap casualties with the Empire. They're going to look at the biggest target and the easiest way to make the biggest impact against it.
The whole point of the Death Star was force projection. The idea that it could hold everyone in line with fear. But the enormous imperial fleet already should do that! If you have a fleet that size that would be able to, over the course of maybe a week or two, make a planets surface completely uninhabitable then having a big tool that also does that is redundancy at best.
From the Legends book The New Jedi Order: Destiny's Way, a quote regarding a Death Star like weapon by the Empire if it confronted the Vong.
"What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."
--Han Solo
Reminds me of Han's attitude toward Starkiller Base in episode 7.."these things always have a weakness"
I wonder if the Death Star could of fully automated? That might of fixed the problems.
A weapon that automatically moves from system to system, randomly destroying planets? That can't be reasoned with or even talked to?
That might not even have an off switch?
That's the empire!
Ask IG88. He nearly became it.
@@SymbioteMullet *INTELLIGENCE 100*
Articus Ramos you’re right I forgot about that
There are 3 outcomes.
The death star gets hacked.
It gains sentience. (AI too smart.)
It cannot stop. (AI too dumb.)
You know what? I will accept this. Atleast you ain't trash talking my baby again! The Xyston will always be number one in my heart.
@@NightRaven-lh1bf I will be a fan of it, even if nobody else will.
I think that Palpatine fed on fear. He had some ability that made him stronger the more that people feared him. That this was his rationale for dumping the mind-numbing amount of resources into two death stars instead of what Thrawn suggested for an adaptable and flexible imperial navy. The Emperor was counting on the Death Star becoming widely known to the galaxy, and that much fear might make him immortal.
Just my opinion.
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Finn's character was explored in the lead-up novel to Force Awakens. He refused to kill innocent civilians on a mission before the movie started also and was considered an outsider.
Personally I think they should have just made Super Star Destroyers that acted more like mobile fleet yards and supply depots then warships. Giving the Empire an massive logistical advantage in just about any conflict they would get in to. But the Empire was not all that big on making sense out of its military sadly. If it did then it might not have fallen.
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Love your episodes mate...the theories make for an entertaining watch and distract from hours of boredom...though i believe it woukd act as a nuclear deterant...just its mere existence and threat of activation would be enough to quash any form of rebelion
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Eckhart I think your underestimating the threat of treachery and rebellion from ambitious Admirals in the Empire. If the Empire had won then I can see an Admiral using a SSD or Death Star to launch a coup. The Imperial system of government was very vunerable to this because if their first strike was a targeted strike then much of the government, Moffs and Admirals would have obeyed or splitting the Empire into many warring factions as we saw in Legends after Endor.
Empire doesn't need a death star. They only need star destroyers and super star destroyer to bombard the planet surface. The battle station is just a waste of money.
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Initially I disagreed with you, but you made some great points and now I am undecided on the topic
Stick with the Eclipse Super Star Destroyer or the Galaxy Gun.
The death star is massive it would be really cool to see the good guys take one over and ram it either with or without the hyperdrive into another ship
When you using a Death Star to achieve a galatical domination in Empire at War...
Death Star: YOU UNDERESTIMATING MY POWER
I think you’re missing a huge piece of the picture here: Palpatine’s enemy wasn’t rebels, it was the Force itself. When an omnipresent energy field that shapes the destinies of all living things wants you dead, Stormtroopers and Star Destroyers aren’t going to cut it, because they’re going to be rolling 1s while the rebels are getting natural 20s all the time, hence why they always have such thick plot armor. Stopping them requires preventing them from rebelling in the first place, which requires a weapon that’s devastating AND indestructible so there can be no hope against it.
And then the Force plays a reverse card and spawns Rogue Squadron in Attack mode.
Like I always say: superweapons have too little gain for too much wasted resources. The only exceptions (such as the Star Forge) aren't superweapons.
Didn't Thrawn mention in Legends that aside from being a tool for oppression, the Death Star's main purpose was also to give Palpatine a monopoly of violence over his own moffs and admirals? Considering how every grand moff, moff, admiral and grand admiral had control over their own fleets of Star Destroyers and Imperial Stormtrooper regiments, it was only prudent for Palps to control a super weapon that could by itself lay waste to entire fleets of battleships and blow up the stronghold planets of any Imperial renegades in order to keep the rest in line and think twice about seceding from his rule.
An Imperial Dreadnought has enough firepower to easily take out most, if not all, planets in the Star Wars galaxy, and the Empire had a lot of those
I disagree with you here. Death Star wasn’t meant to be going arround in a massive planet destruction spree. The Death Star was meant to be a symbol of Galactic Empire’s might and power. Yes they can already destroy planets with a fleet of stardestroyers, but can you imagine the propaganda “The Empire have “a” weapon that can explode worlds, not just make them desolate.” This symbol is what drives fear and could be use to threathen individual rebelling planets into submission without even firing the laser. The true implementation of Tarkin Doctrine
What is your opinion on doing a video about The Mandalorian? I recently started watching and following your page and I think its awesome, even the non star wars material (sci-fi/philosophical videos of yours are amazing). Also I love that you use music like Home and A.L.I.S.O.N. it really adds that vast chill electronic space vibe. But yeah I just wanted to know if you have watched the mandelorian and would ever consider doing a video on it.
#askeck please do a video over the Naboo police cruiser that was like a baby N1 star fighter. Also coverage of the rest of the vehicles on the N64 game battle for Naboo would be pretty awesome. Thanks 🙏🏼
Love your channel love your vids please keep making them
HOHO! Before the time itself, I was here.
Superweapons were needed to circumvent planetary defences such as massive shields. That being said, a siege would take a while but would be a better alternative than a massive (and expensive) superweapon that can be turned against you. If I were the emperor, I wouldn't invest in more superweapon research than the superlaser like the one on the Eclipse and even then only to be siege breaking weapons under my direct control.
What do you mean direct control? Unless Palpatine is on the ship it is not under his direct control thus limiting you to only one superweapon.
@@maxpower3990 *shrug* Either a deactivation code or something more sinister. Like force mind control or something. I dunno . . . just let me have my space dictator fantasy! ; )
Also, the Death Star is a health-and-safety nightmare with all those bottomless pits and lack of railings. That alone should inspire some serious insurrection.
Palpatine must've been fined an unimaginable amount of money by Space OSHA for all of those health & safety violations on the Death Star.
A station that size and built specifically for blowing up planets? Yes impractical. But as a station/mobile base? Very practical.
The anime (of all things) got this concept right. The Legend of Galactic Heroes has the Iserlohn Fortress that, while it isn't a planet buster, but a fleet wiping x-ray weapon, internal farms capable of feeding millions of soldiers indefinitely and can house thousands of ships.
The thing basically guards a choke point and was undefeatable through conventional means.
That’s no moon
TheChach 1818 its a battle station
Until relatively recently, I took the Death Star as evidence that a star destroyer (even something bigger like the _Executor_) was incapable of destroying (the surface of) a planet. If you _can_ do that, why waste the resources to build something with a single point of failure that can only be in one place at a time; the obvious comparison point being a fleet of star destroyers which have to be dealt with one by one and can split up and terrorize multiple star systems at once if need be.
Heck, if star destroyers can already destroy a world, the Death Star loses a lot of its mystique since it isn't doing anything the imperial fleet couldn't already do, which makes it far less useful as a propaganda tool/terror weapon.
Imagine flying destroying the Death Star by flying into the Superlaser hole
Fire a photon torpedo into the superlaser's firing port.
A droid could work too.
Could you do more titanfall versus match ups. I have two suggestions: 1. All 7 Titans vs 1 or 2 AT-AT walkers. 2. IMC and Militia vs the UNSC ground war.
On the topic of Imperial superweapons, there are better ways to destroy a planet's population than the Death Stars, without sacrificing all of the planet's material resources. Just take the Desolator seen in the Jedi Knight story of Star Wars: The Old Republic. It's smaller than a Death Star (fitting onto a battle cruiser) and was able to ignite the atmosphere of Uphrades. Combined with the Republic developed Planet Prison (which ionizes a planet's atmosphere causing starships to be disabled on attempted entry or exit) it wiped out all life on the planet without sacrificing all the material resources or scarring such a considerable number of Imperial personnel.
EckhartsLadder: why the death stars were always destined to fail?
Me: Plot convenience
#AskEck: What if the Empire took a more Conservative approach with the Death Star? That it was intended as a mobile military lab with the ability to defend itself IF need be?
In the X-Wing series they mentioned a new prototype that was smaller with many smaller superlasers, designed to jump into a system, stop the enemy fleeing with gravity well projectors and destroy cruiser class ships in one shot.
Although even in that case I still think you would do better with Interdictors and Conqueror class ISD working as part of a fleet.
Unless your talking about a Mobile fleet hospital, repair, refuel and resupply station that sits a system behind the front lines?
I was thinking more in line with something would be intended to R&D anti-Vong tech & such, Max Power…
Answering why the 1st Death Star would technically still have that super laser, but not sent out as a front line ship & such…
Which is why I would see it more as a mobile lab capable of defending itself, NightRaven 1901, not a station intended for the offensive. IF used correctly, it would’ve introduced certain Imperial tech sooner than later…
Anything & everything military & more (implying that Darth Sidious probably had Sith based intentions), NightRaven 1901. And again, R&D focused, not battlefield focused…
I don’t believe a redesign is technically necessary, NightRaven 1901, especially IF it was meant to be that way in the first place. And that Super Laser would also be part of its weapons research & such…
#AskEck With all the discussion of the Death Star in this video, I’m genuinely curious if Canon or Legends ever touched on what happened with Luke after the destruction of the first Death Star. Luke is supposed to be the young hopeful boy, the new hope for the galaxy, the first of the next generation of Jedi, yet at the single push of a button he killed millions of people on board the Death Star. Yes, they were imperials, but as you say, not all imperials are inherently evil. So I’m very curious if anywhere ever touched on how that destruction made Luke really feel, and if it did, how did Luke feel after doing such a thing?
I agree; the limitations weren’t technical, but political and socio-economic. The rebellion should probably be glad the Empire didn’t use (many) droids; a Death Star automated with droids would really only need a command crew, a maintanence crew (for when a droid malfunctioned, and for general station up-keep), and - of course - food prep. That’s that fewer # of organic beings to take objection to the Death Star’s purpose/mission. The Empire should really have put the thing near the intersection of important shipping lanes and ran it as a space station, much like Bajor/UFP used DS-9 in Star Trek:Deep Space 9 TV show. It probably would have (eventually) recouped the cost of its construction, and then some! 😊
So, instead of being a dark, foreboding weapon of mass destruction that attracts unsavory types (the rebels) to come blow it up, it would be a shining beacon of hope, stability, and commerce. Both sides would have a stake in the outcome, and would benefit from it. Plus, if something like the Yuuzhan Vong, the Borg, or some other invading force presented itself, they’d probably rethink their plans when the “space station” opens up on them with the super-laser! But this would never happen with Palpatine at the top. Or, to paraphrase someone wise, “No good ever came of doing evil.”
Have you done a video of the Starcraft Universe VS Warhammer 40,000? Tyranids VS Zerg?
Space Marines vs Terrans?
Eldar (any sub-faction) VS Protoss?
Wasn’t the gunner of the death star in legends one of the reasons why the rebellion succeeded in winning the battle of Yavin? Didn’t he purposely not fire the Death Star so they could destroy it?
Totally destroying planets is dumb, all those lost resources, you need alot less firepower to completely wipe out all life, a decent size asteroid could do that, and after a few years (especially with their tech level) you'd have a spare habitable world you can do what you want with
Wow, I'm early and I don't even have notifications on.
what do you think happened to clone force 99 after order 66
The DS was pretty much the embodiment of everything wrong with the Empire (alongside Palpatine himself). It was too focused on being big & dramatic and above all else unecessarily evil. If the Empire was more pragmatic than evil and dramatic, it probably would have lasted a lot longer.
I mean, the Empire's biggest selling point (which I could get behind) was "enforcing the peace". Yet by being the way it was, it caused more conflict than it solved. The Empire was pretty much dooming itself from the start.
“oh Hey,Our Billion dollar superweapon was destroyed by some rebel kid, now what do we do now ? Some Genius:bUiLd AnOtHeR OnE!
This is why Legends will always be superior to canon. In legends, you at least had the excuse that the Death Star was built to fight against the Yuuzhan Vong; after all, what's the point of using a planet-destroying superweapon on an opponent like the Rebellion that doesn't even officially control any planets? That would be like nuking entire cities to try to root out and destroy terrorist groups like Al Qaeda; it just doesn't make any sense from a strategic perspective.
these battle stations were a defensive weapon against the Yuuzhan Vong. The Empire did nothing wrong.
If the Empire was smart, it would have _infiltrated_ the Rebel Alliance. Not to destroy it, but to know where it was and what it was doing at all times. Carefully managed to limit its size and effectiveness, but enough to give dissidents "hope", and somewhere to go, making them less likely to form their own separate rebellions, which would require more and more resources to manage and keep tabs on.
Do you think Palpatine had further Plans for the Starkiller Base or did it serve it's disposable purpose just like Snoke did?
#askeck
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Good analysis.
The empire never needed to destroy a whole planet. Cooking a continent from orbit is all they really needed to do if they were serious about wiping out rebels.
Wasting so much time and energy creating a weapon to destroy planets is classic Sith fascism, and will always cause star systems to slip through their fingers as they tighten their grip.
You missed logistics.
Even a Star Destroyer needs food, fuel etc. Cut those off and time works for you nicely
The answer is very simple, because of the plot armor, the rebels always win only due to it, fortunately the death star would have a protective field of such power that they would not be able to even get close to it, let alone climb through the tunnel to the reactor
In Star Wars the destruction of Alderaan is an atrocity... In Warhammer 40k its just exterminatus Tuesday...
Type-47A(H2) scarab vs type-47B(H3,reach,odst) scarab vs Banished scarab vs Volatile scarab
What do you think about theorizing what sort of ships modern day earth could build if we came together what style would they be? And what sort off weapons? I think it would be sort of like minmitar weaponry from eve online.
Eck: Video about the Xyston and how it is a bit undersized and lame.
Eck: Some time later, video about how a smaller planet killing weapon with less crew is more ideal.
Me: "Chef's kiss"
IIRC, his objection to the Xyston was that it was lazy design work.
What of the modified Death Star the DarkSaber in the Legends book DarkSaber by Kevin J. Anderson. That was monumentally flawed because the Hutts built it. Just my 2 credits.
It takes one core engineer to "forget" to check core temperature and, boom, filet mindeath star.
Uh, Han defected for a quick paycheck and a ride home.
Also, I've read quite a few short stories that suggested most of the crew of the death star didn't even know it made a trip to scariff, let alone d3stroyed planets.
Another problem: Couldn't you negate 90% of the DS's firepower by simply going in to point blank range? An entire fleet attacking the death star from a few hundred metres above it's surface, in a relatively tiny area, could neutralise all the turbolasers nearby. And then everything over the horizon would be useless. The only threat would be other Imperial ships and the Tie swarms.
They wouldn't have to deal with little things like morality or individual thought 7:58
The Death Star had a shutdown switch (or maybe it was a self destruct idk) in legends. So it’s not like tarkin is gonna come and steal it
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Lol Doom. Animal Crossing is where it's really at! :P Anyways, I pretty much agree with what you're saying. With each planet destroyed the Empire would be creating more and more enemies.