Why Hyperspace in Star Wars MAKES NO SENSE (...and never has)
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Hyperspace in Star Wars is inconsistent and makes no sense. It never has, but I still love it. I'll cover hyperspace in Star Wars Legends and Canon on today's video!
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In the Clone Wars episode “Voyage of Temptation” they’re traveling in hyperspace from Mandalore to Coruscant for the entire episode. Same with the episode Brain Invaders
And if you play Rebellion that's only one region away!
Here's how the producers could fix this problem:
1. Create a definitive map of the Star Wars galaxy, with the locations of every important location and how far away they are from each other
2. Create a definitive seed for each ship that's used
3. Every time a Hyperspace jump is executed, run the numbers to figure out how long it takes
Is there not a definitive map already?
This would technically work out, but it would bring up plot issues in pretty much any story.
As mentioned in the video Obi-Wan had two days between Order 66 and Lukes birth. That doesn`t add up at all. Same with many other plot points. Having 3 characters visit Coruscant to do something important and interesting is nice, but if they have to travel from the rebel base a month away from Coruscant, that just isn`t an option any more.
So basically you are right. This is pretty much the only way to fix this.... but it would limit any writers options, so they sometimes just choose to ignore it.
Btw. Star Wars is not the only franchise doing this. Another great example of this comes from Star Trek: First Contact. The Enterprise-E is at the neutral zone far away from earth, when the Borg literally arrive at the Sol-System (our solar system). So they rush to earth and arrive before the Borg reach earth. So at most a few hours later.... The trip should have taken months or even years.
The thing is, your effective 'speed' while in hyperspace is basically limited by how "dense" the region you want to travel through is, if there's obstacles and likely risks of running into stuff? You have to make short controlled jumps, reorient to go around obstructed zones, then get back to jumping towards your ultimate destination. Having more accurate star-charts will allow the charting of more direct and uninterrupted courses which in turn result in less overall travel time.
Then there's the fact that not all hyperdrives have the same speed, some ships, like the falcon, have drives that let them travel many times faster than what the average ship hyperdrive allows for.
As for mapmaking, as said, its not simply a question of the distance between any two points, its what's in between them.. is there a ready route that is known to have few/no obstructions? Then they can go faster. Barely charted or old, less reliable records? Yeah that's gonna slow you down cause if you actually Hit something while in hyperspace? Dead. Then there's the whole fact that star systems Move, rotating as they do through the galaxies that make up the star wars universe as a whole. Ergo charts that where accurate at a given time can grow dangerously inaccurate over time, likewise the distance between two locations can Change, plus the stuff in between the points also affects overall travel time as mentioned earlier.
Ergo: its a lot easier to just have ships travel at the speed of plot, but try to keep things consistent. The disney movies have been anything but consistent and their treatment of the hyperdrive stuff is no exception.
But that's not how galaxies work. Everything is constantly in motion.
@@twilson3133 I believe there is a very, very in-depth community map, but no, Lucas Arts nor Disney have ever released a definitive map. Part of this is probably due to part of the fanbase theorizing about which two real life galaxies Star Wars takes place in, and in doing so they'd also limit their potential creativity in the future just to sell some maps. I imagine that's their perspective, anyway.
Pretty much everything in Star Wars doesn’t make any sense in the real world, so that’s why I see it as fantasy rather than Sci-Fi.
And that's what it is. You can't have fire in space. It's always been fantasy.
The problem is not that Star Wars doesn't make sense with reality... It's that Star Wars doesn't make sense with Star Wars...
At least in a good fantasy there are consistent rules that prevent the protagonists from solving everything with magic. In Star Wars, there’s no tension anymore because we know the Force can do anything whatever hack writer Disney hired wants it to.
@@battlesheep2552 That was how it was in Legends. Heck, even the movies introduced this, with many of Luke's powers being essentially @$$-pulls(force jumping, force pulling, and of course, the infamous force kick). The prequels were even worse about this.
Yes, the force is a "soft magic" system, and that's fine. Most people don't need a super in depth magic system.
@@SterbenCyrodill Because Star Wars is written by a whole bunch of different people for a whole bunch of different people. You and I and someone's mom probably all have different wants and needs from Star Wars and those stories can't be a one size fits all.
Eckhart: Maintain social distancing like Yoda on Dagoba.
Yoda, piggybacking on the first person he sees: Hmm?
Luke: _"I'm not picking up any cities or technology. Massive life-form readings, though. There's something alive down there. "_
Corona Virus: _"Hold my beer"_
@@hycron1234 is the beer a corona brew?
@@Fyttiana with lights on it that make coronas?
@@missingtexturez how would I know? ask him. If he even would respond.
There’s always going to be some amount of flaws and inconsistencies in the world building of any fictional world but the blatant disregard for any consistency with hyperspace that has been shown in many recent works really disappoints me, especially when there are certainly many ways for writers to tell the same stories without gutting the world building to do so.
It's just like D&D's plotting in _Game of Thrones._ All distance just kind of... goes away when it's inconvenient for the moment. Information, people, armies, fleets: they just happen to be in one place, then another for their next scene, no matter how little sense it makes.
Except for 40K where they have explained relativistic incongruancies. 😁
Well worded! I just noticed that if you replace just a couple words like “hyperspace,” and “writers,” with “press conferences,” and “politicians,” it sounds a lot like current events!
All those"flaws" show how NOT thought this stuff is.
The speed of light in a vacuum is consistent (anywhere there's a vacuum, anyway), so all writers need to do is give FTL drive capabilities as a multiple of the speed of light / c. 365c is a light year per day, boom, done.
At this point, it's safe to realize that things only make sense in Star Wars if the plot says so, in regards to both Legends and Canon.
yeah haha
I feel like Eck is becoming increasingly jaded with Star Wars as time goes on
Cut to a year later where he disowned the franchise and dedicates the channel exclusively to Star Trek content 😄
Hopefully Halo Infinity kills and he's obsessed with that instead.
The Mike Stoklasa effect
An dawn of war like only a few being have telepathy in star wars we have being who have master a lot of abilities just absurd I mean I an a fan of dow but I really feel like you down play slot of their most powerful abilities
I messed that all up I feel like you down play star wars abilities major Lee
Well most the newer movies have been beyond disappointing as well as many things sjws and feminists try ti ruin for men and show no passion in the shit they work uo to get too
"Generally hyperspace has never been really well thought", true, and this new trilogy had me really looking at how almost nothing in SW has ever been well thought. All of it was simply put there "'cause it would look cool" and for my younger self, that was more than enough to love it. But now... man, I hate being so aware of all of its flaws.
Star Wars movies were more space opera than sci-fi, if you think too hard about the science, it falls apart
Nah, I still love it despite a lot of things being blatantly unscientific. If you want something that's scientifically accurate, watch Star Trek instead. I want a good fantasy with a space theme.
There's nothing egregious about hyperspace really in the movies, except for in the sequels.
It’s just space, but hyper. What’s not to get?
arbington it makes no sense WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
@@punctuationman334 then go to the Immaterium greenskin
arbington it’s an alternate dimension
General Kenobi red is the fastest!
*Speace on Steroids*
Rules matter. When our heroes operate without regard for any rules we've suspended our disbelief to accept.... it undermines the credibility of the danger they're in, and devalues their successes.
Good video!
It all comes back on writing laziness
@@davetomlinson9063 Your opinion isn't helpful and contributes nothing.
@@DarkExcalibur42He was agreeing with you, dude
@@histguy101 no, he wasn't. It's not about laziness.
Video idea:::
*Darth Vader’s views upon learning of Sidious manipulated the Clone Wars*
I’m guessing Vader saw it as a necessary evil, but what was his first reaction? You could go over sources etc...
Did Sidious ever tell Vader? In my head cannon, Sidious would've kept every scheme and secret from the Clone Wars from Vader.
epicponedge 117 I would’ve thought it’d be pretty obvious. Dooku was leading the Separatists and Sidious’ apprentice at the same time. And Nute said “Lord sidious promised us peace”
He knew the moment Palpatine revealed himself as a sith.
Isaac that kinda hurt my soul. Barely anyone would find Bungay a likeable guy, but he sounded so sad...
He learned that the moment he knew Palpatine was the Dark Lord the Jedi had been looking for. Didn't seem to concern him much, that selfish prat...
In Legends it's heavily implied if not outright stated that the reason why you can't do those things has to do with safety features. The existence of Interdictors did make that a major plot hole, but it was noted in Legends that hyperdrive failures were usually the sort of thing that had you flying face first into a gravity well which implies that Interdictors work by activating safety features that are built into every hyperdrive.
Which could also explain why nobody actually overrides the safeties - if they're that ubiquitous then they're probably an integral part of the hyperdrive unit and not something to be messed with lightly and likely require direct physical access and specialized knowledge and tools to override.
It was outright stated about the safeties. But, it also seemed to hardwired into the drives. During the Corellian crises, they used Centerpoint Station to shut down all hyperspace travel. So, the Republic came up with the idea of using two or more hyperdrives, when the interdiction field dropped the ship out of hyperdrive, the second drive would jump the ship back in, while the first drive cooled off.
The safeties are what pull you out of hyperspace when you hit the edge of a gravity well, but it's also pretty well explained that those safeties pull you out because if you kept going you would be annihilated. Sure you could disable them, but that would be stupid. You WILL die if you fly into a gravity well. The safeties seem to kick in when the edge of a gravity field is detected, so there is sort of a gray area where it's not unsafe, but you simply cannot get closer than a certain point, and you can't jump into hyperspace from within that space.
The original movies, the prequels, and the EU always treated that as law. If jumping into hyperspace from inside a gravity well was possible, the entire concept of a blockade doesn't make any sense, so literally the entire plot of Phantom Menace is invalidated. So is the evacuation of Hoth In Empire Strikes Back: why would you fly your fragile transports past the Imperial fleet when you can just jump directly into hyperspace from the surface? Also, why steal an Imperial shuttle at enormous risk to send your strike team to Endor when, apparently, the Millennium Falcon is fully capable of jumping out of hyperspace inside a planet's atmosphere, UNDER their shield, without being noticed?
Bottom line: Disney's canon didn't even try.
Hyperdrive safeties always struck me as a thing that was built right next to whatever put you into hyperspace, something so integral that nobody built hyperdrives without the safeties, and that the hyperspace motivator would fail before the safety would. It was never spelt out in that way, but the way it fit in the universe, how everyone knew it existed and was really comfortable with hyperspace travel because of it, it suggested to me that the most reliable thing on the ship was the hyperdrive safety.
Like imagine, the best engineering standards on our planet prefers designs where failures leads to de-energizing of the system. We have had many incidents where things failed catastrophically because a system needed power to turn off or shut down (RBMK reactors come to mind). It's deep fanon, sure, but I think GFFA engineers knew their shit.
That makes no sense. Hyperdrives for military ships would be build with battleshorts; a function to bypass the safety features. Military equipment in real life is build with the option to bypass the fuses or ignore overheating protection.
think thats how the space family crashed into the ewok planet in the ewoks movie ;)
hyperspace malfunction of some kind i think they say.
Hyperspace: exists
Eckhart: so you have chosen death....
Yep
Umm sure sparky
😂😂😂
Meme template: *exists*
Everyone: *spams the fuck out of it until it's not funny*
@@SonofTiamat it's an immortal format. Cant kill it
I think the hyperspace skipping should've been the single hardest thing a pilot can do, like Anakin and Syndulla would be pilots capable of doing it, and people specifically trained to do it could, at the sacrifice of other skills
Well good thing Poe did it then since he is an A tier pilot like Anakin or Hera
MapleTreeWithAGun it doesn’t make sense because it’s just an alternate dimension that you can travel faster than the speed of light in
In Thrawn: Alliances, it’s established that the Chiss make use of Force-sensitives on their ships to take the place of hyperspace calculations. Spoilers below:
At one point in the story, Vader needs to take on this Force-calculator role. Thrawn mentions that the Chiss name for those who guide ships through the stars could be translated as “Sky-walkers”
@@Booksds That kinda blew my mind, a real fantastic explanation for the Skywalker family name. Thanks for posting.
Booksds
Vader must have hated that
Lightspeed skipping was just illogical. Even visually, it made zero sense.
I feel like it's more like FTL. The hyperspace lanes would make sense if they where stretches of space with little or no objects and debris allowing for uninterrupted light speed travel.
Yeah apparently Poe just misses all the buildings when he jumps to a city planet. And how close were all those planets to each other? It was a few seconds between each at most.
Eh, I mean, my guess as to how Lightspeed Skipping works is that you need precise coordinates for precision jumps, which probably takes time in transit to ensure that you're still heading there, where a simple random skip just puts you in a random place.
As for why they didn't hit any of the stuff, it's a movie. Nitpicks like that only count for fake internet points. It's not a big deal.
It was a blatant rip-off from GotG2, just like everything else JJ does, unoriginal and nonsensical in the setting it was shoved in.
Scorpixel gotg light speed travel makes way morse sense imo. they gave a specific jump point that they have to get to, and it’s always in outer space and not in a planet. we see that in endgame when the benatar goes to the garden, it has to go to space first and then jump, instead of jumping from avengers hq
Never put too much thought about how much sense hyperspace made, I always figured it would never make sense if I put too much thought into it so I never bothered.
It's not really about it making sense. It's about the rules that have been set up in ANH and TESB that are contradicted in other instances.
RULES! Everything needs rules or you can not have a consistent and predictable universe and stuff just happens.
No. Here's the biggest thing: The vast majority of an audience will not give a crap about the rules, especially for something like Star Wars. They just want fun stories.
In my opinion, the number one rule of worldbuilding is that the more you try to explain, the less it makes sense. It becomes far too rigid to be workable.
Instead, you create something that appears like it is consistent and that there's a reason for it to exist. Look at A New Hope: the worldbuilding relied entirely on the viewer's preexisting conceptions and the set design. There was nothing from that franchise before it. But everything felt like it had a purpose, even if that purpose is to move the plot along. The world serves the story, not the other way around.
The biggest problem is in the prequels. Yes, there was a lot of worldbuilding and explanation, but it came at the cost of being interesting or enjoyable. The rules might have been set up, but what reason was there to care?
As much as I love channels like Spacedock, I think this style of thinking everything needs to have a hard or consistent approach isn't healthy for the Science Fiction community. Not everything needs and explanation, let alone deserves it. Sometimes things just happen and that's okay.
Boisegang Nah. If you look at something like Tolkien’s Legendarium, what’s clear is that the author should know exactly what everything can do and how it works, even if you don’t explain it all to the audience.
That is the best way to write stories that feel right.
The issue with just saying “fuck it, I’m not going to make any internal rules for this universe” is that you’re building your story on sand, and it will eventually collapse, like Star Wars did in the sequel trilogy.
@@deriznohappehquite Well, yes, but Tolkien's works were in a different medium for a different type of audience. He also deliberately created his world. Star Wars has sort of been made up as it went. This usually has to do with it being created by a whole bunch of people across fourty years while Tolkien's works were made almost entirely by him with no help. You're going to have a lot more consistency if its just you working on something.
To be honest, a lot of Tolkien's works were done as worldbuilding first and stories second, with the plots being more of execuses to show off the extensive worldbuilding. That's not a bad thing, just a different approach. He was a linguist first and a writer second.
Both approaches are fine. It's all nust dependent on what the general audience is. Star Wars is inherently a pulpy science fantasy fairy tale story.
@@BoisegangGaming
Well, that just makes it MORE important to have rules, so that different people with differing points of view can "stay within the lines". So, the Force is the Force, hyperdrive is hyperdrive, a droid is a droid, Blasters can only do specific things, and so on.
Letting someone new come along and change stuff up because "I'll do it my way" is why the Sequel trilogy collapsed. It ceases to be a series of "Star Wars" movies and became a rambling mess with "Star Wars" as the title.
"Star Trek" is known for having rules form nearly everything. But the franchise suffers from stagnancy because new writers are not making use of all the available resources and making stuff up that does not fit into the established rules, which are actually fairly flexible allowing for actual creativity.
It is not a myth that Paramount and CBS have an actual "bible" as to how to make "Star Trek". They just don't always enforce it.
Audiences do NOT have to be told what the rules are. If the rules are abided in by the writers, the universe is consistent, predictable, and logical. And again this did not happen with the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy and you can see the results, if you watched the movies.
@@BoisegangGaming I like to think of it like a video game, create rules and let the audience figure them out from how the story plays out. Then if you need some flexibility you can cheat a little without anyone noticing. If you don't have rules that you follow in making a story then how will you know when Deus ex machina
sneaks in. Same as in a video game, the boss fight is the culmination of skills and you don't just introduce new ones. Or how you set how high the jump make your game character go then build the level, instead of just changing the jump randomly to fix the level.
This makes me realize how clever 40k's "unpredictability" when it comes to warp travel.
Since travelling can take anywhere between centuries or negative time, it let's the writers get away with pretty much anything.
Don’t tell me how to live my life when thinking about hyperspace!
Frank Lay you're not my real dad!
At least regarding Han hyperspacing into Starkiller Base, I always thought of it as "the planet did pull them out of hyperspace, but they still had tons of momentum". Any lesser pilot in any lesser ship would have slammed right into the ground, which is why that trick is so unused. (This also explains why you can't use hyperspaced projectiles as WMDs against planets - the planet will drag you out of hyperspace before you hit it, and you'll just slam into the planet at high speed like if you'd flown there normally.)
I can see jumps out of the upper atmosphere of a planet (like in Rogue One) being feasible, if quite dangerous. That's been around for a while (TCW Season 1 - Jedi Crash).
If the WMD is a nuclear warhead or similar, having only a couple seconds between dropping out of hyperspace and hitting the planet isn't a problem for the bomb. It just detonates before impact. Timing would be tight but doable. Being forced out of hyperspace before passing a planetary shield would be a problem for hyperdrives consistent with older canon.
I chalk it up to the Falcon’s finicky hyperdrive.
Maybe hyperspace from atmosphere is only possible from certain ships with specific features . For instance going faster than light when there are Still a countless amount of molecules and atoms around you would obliterate the ship
That does actually make a lot of sense considering why interdictors can take an entire ship undamaged out of hyperspace
@@hanelyp1 We really haven't seen much from planetary shields in the new canon, so it is hard to know what is common. My thought with Starkiller was that its "fractional refresh" or whatever shield was a fundamentally different type of shield from, say the Scarif shield. It didn't have the weakness of a shield gate, but could be skipped through by Han's trick, while that would not work against a Scarif-type shield.The Starkiller shield is probably similar to the Death Star II's shield, except with its projector inside instead of on Endor. Neither shield seemed to be visible, at any rate, while Scarif's was.
Star Wars is more Fantasy than Science Fiction. And even Star Trek (R.I.P 1965 - 2005) is very inconsistent in terms of speed, warp factor, etc
Star trek is EXTREMELY consistent with it's warp drive.... compared to star WARS anyway.
EC Henry has a FANTASY video on the warp drive factors, and while the numbers can be a little wonky but there does seem to be an attempt to make the nacelle warp coil size correlate to the early factor with a few exceptions
Actually the warp engine of star trek ships is possible and probable, it uses a theory called the Alcubierre drive that is using gravity and distorting space in it self so that the ship travels at or faster then speed of light
@@petercarioscia9189 *Alcubierre
I still laugh at how 31.000 light years is gonna take them 200+ years to reach even with the warp 7 or so.
Stargate intergalactic drive is I think the one that is very true to its numbers.
@@Boomkokogamez Yeah, and in Voyager they say it would take them 70 years to cross 70,000 light years, while in First Contact it took the Enterprise only hours or less to get from the Neutral Zone to Earth
Hyperspace has never made much sense but it still has rules, it's still capable of some things and incapable of other things. the last jedi just ignored trying to follow the few rules hyperspace had for the sake of a cool looking effect
Same goes for TFA and TRoS.
I over look a lot of things in Star Wars and it’s my favorite IP. Come on explosions in space really. But it’s got great characters cool non human species and a great plot
Exactly. The main films are supposed to be fantastical, pulpy adventures with fairy tale style themes. My personal view of Star Wars is that there's plenty of room for any type of story, especially when it comes to books. I honestly think that the more military sci fi aspects of Star Wars(such as in-depth space combat) are best reserved for those types of mediums.
And the thing is, Star Wars explicitly takes place in the past. Everything we know of it are just myths and legends. That's how you can have in-depth mechanics that a movie doesn't follow, because the stories are being told in different mediums by different people.
Boisegang you lost me
Technically, once you breach the hull, fiery explosions are possible since the atmosphere from inside the ship is escaping into space, and may be concentrated enough on the surface of the hull, that an explosive can ignite the oxygen in the atmosphere, thus creating an explosion. Not saying it's always the case though.
@@danielkrejcar9104 not only that, but other oxidizers could easily be present within a starship.
@@danielkrejcar9104 Yeah, but they won't be nearly as big as Star Wars portray them to be.
Also, SOUND in space is much less excusable. And let's not even get started on the depiction of nebulas, or the infamous Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs (which was such a huge goof that they had to make up a load of shit just to fix it).
“It move’s at the speed of plot”
Haha....tell that to the sequel trilogy
Tell that to the clone wars as well
tell that to the prequels as well
I don’t get it
Tell that to LITERALLY EVERY STAR WARS PIECE OF CONTENT excluding books
Tell that to the books too.
Luke didn’t go to Ach-To to die and let the Jedi die, he went to Social Distance from people with Covid-19. Be like Luke Skywalker. Social Distance yourself.
No I'm good lol
@@patriciashutes2221 Don't make me get the Social Distancing Polearm.
@@tanith117 😊😙
Also cut himself from the Force in case the disease is force-transmitting.
@@im_piano lol
A possible way to sort of retcon the whole gravity well preventing hyperspace is that rather than outright denying hyperspace jumps it greatly diminishes the speed/effectiveness of a hyperdrive, resulting in certain ships with powerful hyperdrives being able to make jumps in atmosphere but the speed is greatly reduced whilst near the body and gets exponentially faster as they escape the gravity well.
Maybe even risking burning out the hyperdrive and damaging the ship, if the well is too deep for this class of the drive.
caav56 i like that
Kinda like how rocket engine performance can increase as air pressure decreases
That would explain the "safety" switch. Basically a sensor telling you if a jump is safe without damaging the hyperdrive
Hey eck’s mate I’ve always wondered what the injuries would be when an individual is hit by a blaster bolt compared to an actual bullet it would be a pretty interesting video idea if your running low?
If you are hit by a "laser" bolt your blood boils and cells explode where ever that bolt hits . It also instantly cortarises the wound .
For an extreme example look at the 40k lasrifle . Though star wars is more like plasma than laser as it moves much slower .
@@edmundscycles1 grrtrrrtrrr it's called a BLASTER bolt!!!!!!!!!;;!!;
@@TheAnimationStationTAS the e-111 blaster fires a short bolt of super heated plasma at least that's how the old lore would explain it .
edmundscycles1 e-11. Do you even Star Wars
@@yashkale1689 ow ned
Everyone forgets that the Malevolence hyperspaced into a moon
The ion cannon malevolence?
@@Lettucem3n yes
The biggest hyperspace plot hole: In The Empire Strikes Back how did the Millennium Falcon manage to fly from Hoth to Bespin with a nonfunctional hyperdrive? It should have taken the Falcon hundreds of years at sublight speeds.
This is why I consider Empire (tESB) to be the worst Star Wars movie. Before the sequels. Even after the prequels.
It’s generally considered to be the best movie of the lot. But you are entitled to your own opinion. Just try to keep in mind that your opinion is wrong though. 😂
@@toddnolastname4485 I still love ESB, but I do feel the need to fill in these plot holes with my imagination. In the Star Wars roleplaying game the Millennium Falcon's specs include a "backup hyperdrive" that is much slower than the primary hyperdrive. Maybe Ben Solo was conceived during the long flight to Bespin? :-)
They got it working, barely.
RobertWF42 actually, yeah, it was already well established that every ship has a much slower backup hyperdrive. The Falcon’s main hyperdrive is rated at .5, but the backup hyperdrive don ships are usually rated 10. I believe there was also a scene where Han just barely got the main hyperdrive working.
Kinda throwing this out there, One of the clone war episodes showed larger ships not able to navigate as freely as smaller ones around a nebula or something (I think the episode was about like a medical station or ship). Maybe larger ships have a exponentially higher 'dragforce' (for lack of better word) in hyperspace, and thus are more effected by gravity wells or other influences which may effect hyperspace travel.
The episode was Star Wars: the Clone Wars: Season 1, Episode 3: Shadow of Malevolence
And it wasnt easy for the Smaller Ships
Anyways the Malevolence couldn't go through the Kaliida Nebula and the Y-Wings could was because it was a Nest for Space Dwelling Neebra Mantas
“Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future…the past. Old friends long gone.” Both Luke and Palpatine saw visions of the future where their friends (subordinate) was in need of their help in the future. They left as the force directed and arrived when they were needed.
The Emperor's battle with Yoda was simultaneous with that of Vader's and Kenobi's. So it wasn't that far into the future , if at all!
@@HACUNA89 Stop fat shaming the future will you?! XD
@@HACUNA89 not necessarily. Just because its cut to look that way in the movie, doesn't mean that such would actually be the case in-universe.
@@OdamaKamayuka It needs attention
@@UltimateDurzan I'm sure its implied by the editing to be simultaneous, but sure , you can retcon just about anything
Personally, when I saw the TRoS sequel beginning scenes. One being a hyperspace chase. I felt that this scene too rushed. Hyperspace including Skipping in Planet Orbit can break physics and gravity.
this is one of the many reasons why i consider Star Wars in the fantasy genre and not sci-fi.
Yeah, even Warhammer 40K is more realistic than Star Wars.
@@robertnelson9599 orks
@@robertnelson9599 That's debatable. The reason it seems that way is that Warhammer 40000, a series based on being vauge and being self contradictory, has far better internal consistency than the younger franchise with less lore (although a large part of this is due to still using the EU after it was purged).
Genre's irrelevant. Real-life science isn't the problem here, it's internal consistency. Any story has to follow its own rules, regardless of genre
@@questionable8284 The Orkz' psychic abilities (which power their technology) are as realistic as the Force (which powered Rakatan technology), and as they're an artificial species created to cause and spread infinite warfare against the Necrons and C'tan by the Old Ones, their violent nature is also believable. I don't think that Warhammer 40k lore is more realistic than Star Wars lore, so much as it's more believable and internally consistent (even with though WH40k is canonically consistently inconsistent). An example of this is the Warp vs. Hyperspace, where the Warp is a chaotic (in every sense of the word) space hell that ebbs and flows like a perpetually stormy sea which makes its inconsistent travel times fit thematically, while Hyperspace is a shallow, underdeveloped, and apparently stable (at least in canon) dimension that only exists to ferry ships along at the speed of plot.
The story group seems to exist to say "Yeah, whatever" to anything that crosses their desks. I have no idea why they exist.
They exist to prevent actual problematic inconsistencies and not dumb fucking hyperspace nonsense that the .01% neckbeard fanbase on the internet is going to look for that don't need to be explained. If you're watching Star Wars and thinking about HYPERSPACE details, you should look for a different series
@@JustYTWatching So apparently consistent storytelling is just for the neckbeards and because mainstream audiences wont care, creators can just break in universe rules because its cool. If you think yourself so above the fans who actually care about the lore then why are you on this channel you fucking hypocrite.
How do you even tell what a day is in the Star Wars universe like there are so many planets traveling at totally different speeds
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Eckhart'sLadder: Hyperspace travel never made sense.
Me: Hmm. Sounds like heresy to me.
So in conclusion, disney has pulled a Schrödinger and both messed and not up hyperspace
what
@@small_SHOT Messed up and not messed up.
You might also look into the first Star Wars Rebellion game: I remember speeding game time up while waiting on fleets/heroes to travel. Distances mattered while the Falcon had a 'speed boost' and was the fastest ship available to use. Released in 1998
Hmm seems like this part of space has tons of planets that are habitable, I want to go there. Oh wait can’t do it because there is probably a black hole or star that will kill us if we use this seemly only known route there, darn.
Just make another route
So, my take on it that tries to reconcile everything is that gravity carries into hyperspace, and is *way* stronger in hyperspace. Like, to the point where most planets can act like black holes in hyperspace; no matter which direction you point, the force of gravity is strong enough that you can't escape, and when you enter back into realspace, you do so in the middle of a planet, atomizing your ship. In order to prevent this, most ships have gravity sensors that pull you out of hyperspace. Most of the time, overriding these safeties would be suicidal, but if you're say, trying to escape a low-gravity moon, and there's been an exotic kyber-powered explosion behind you, you might be able to get out of the gravity well. With an Interdictor cruiser, no such luck. Overriding the safeties there would just mean that the stronger gravity of hyperspace pulls you *inside* the interdictor.
This would also explain the need for hyperspace calculations: take off in the wrong direction, and the strong gravity will pull you into a star. Compare this to real life, where if you travel in a random direction in space, there's like a 0.000001% chance that you'll ever hit anything. Hyperspace lanes would be corridors of space that are relatively free of celestial bodies you might run into, whereas areas that are less well charted, or have a high density of stars, are more dangerous to travel. On a related note, this would be why the Holdo maneuver is so difficult; if you watch the scene, she was pointed at the dead center of the Supremacy when she entered hyperspace, but she impacted like two-thirds along the starboard wing. If her trajectory had been deflected upwards instead of to the left, she would have missed entirely, and she was in relatively empty space, aiming for a ship *sixty kilometers* across.
Okay, I think that covers everything. Oh yeah, hyperspace skipping... That's... That's um... the Force. Yup.
Hyperspace enhancing gravity fields can be used to explain a lot of limitations. But what you describe for hyperspace ramming sounds like ships presenting a repulsive gravity in hyperspace. I expect the reason hyperspace ramming isn't a previously established method is that the gravity from the ship in normal space is potentially dangerous to the ship in hyperspace, but not the other way around. It's been suggested that without the hyperspace tracker the ramming in the Holdo maneuver would be futile.
After seeing this, i was thinking about the Holdo maneuver, I know Star Trek is not Star Wars, But in "Best Of Both World's Pt.1-2" during the rescue of Captain Picard, Commander Riker at one point ordered the Enterprise to get ready to engage Warp and make a course ready for ramming speed at the Borg cube. Would it be the same amount of damage as the Holdo maneuver, if the Enterprise were to ram a Borg Cube at Warp Speed? This is just a mind thought, just seen the episode recently that is why its fresh in my mind.
The same idea. Though hyperspace is in another dimension while warp drives just warp real space. However, in both Star Wars and Star Trek, the ships appear to approach relativistic speeds prior to entering Warp speed or Hyperspace.
Speed x Mass = Force of impact
@@eds1942 Well in Star Trek, Warp Drives dont travel though normal space, it travels though "Sub-space", subspace is described as a separate dimension also at times.
@@Sirstas79 It does so by creating a warp bubble around the ship that drives the ship into subspace with the bubble still around it. That would have to happen in real space at some point before the energy requirements became too large to continue moving the ship. They would still be traveling at a significant fraction of light speed before the transition happened.
I don't think he intended to ram the cube at or even near warp speed. He just wanted to do as much damage as they could by flinging the ship at it as hard as possible.
@@eds1942 "ackchually" mass increases with the inverse of the difference between the light speed and the speed, giving as result that the more you approached to light speed, the more mass would be involved, turning infinite at exactly the speed of light, and destroying the whole universe in the process... or being impossible😅
lightspeed in Star Wars is a plot device rather than a means of traversal very much similar to Star Trek and their teleporters.
At least Trek knew it's inherent flaw with transporters. I forget the physics rule but every transporter simply has a "anti-that" device lol.
Tech in Star Trek is MUCH MORE thought out dude
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@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 NOPE. Much more inconsistencies maybe. For example in TOS they can travel to the center of galaxy within days, in some TNG episode a map shows they travel through half of a galaxy within months. But in VOY, the entire premise of the show is that they need 75 years to travel from Delta quadrant back to Alpha. Not to mention the totally fucked up warp number in different series. I've seen so many people tried to come up with a formula that translate times of lightspeed to warp numbers, not a single one of them work in all case, all of them will contradict with the plot of some certain episodes.
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 lol, nah man, that shit was budget constraints for the show back in the 60s to get around having to film shuttle craft flying down to the planet, despite that, the teleporter was plot-magic at its finest.
ofc hyperspace makes no sense, Everyone knows you travel though the warp to get to your destination faster, hell if half the crew is not shot for going crazy something is wrong with the setting
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Larniie Playz he's making a 40k joke
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It's not funny
@@sidonex726 blessed be the Emperor
9.34 "Don't think they have been doing their jobs very well" - That is the understatement of the decade.
This is why I suspect being exact concerning in-story times and durations is way overrated- the characters should move at the speed of the narrative (not plot, there's a difference)- i.e. 'our heroes took a long journey and in that time, they found significant development' vs. 'they took a transport at speed x covering distance y in z days, hours, minutes over this terrain and that geography'
For the Star Wars Tabletop RPG I was running I had an equally difficult time filling in the gaps on the technology of the Holonet. At some point you have to nail down consistent rules, to enforce and for players to use to understand their options.
If you really think about, nothing makes sense in Star Wars.
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I think the best explanation for them to go with should be that certain ships have better hyperdrive depending on the model, how expensive, how luxurious the ship is. That way they can explain why Star destroyers seem to take a lot longer to go through hyperspace than smaller ships. Maybe the larger the ship, the slower they’ll travel through hyperspace (just the same as a star fighter can outrun a star destroyer outside of hyperspace). And it totally seems believable that Palpatine would try to save a few bucks by installing cheaper and less efficient hyperdrives because until around 2 BBY, the Empire didn’t really need their ships to be super quick.
A video like this really should be done in under twelve parsecs.
ha another one who doesnt got the parsecs thingy its not about time han did the kessel run (a lane around a blackhole cluster) in 12 pasecs cause he could fly closer to the blackholes and not got sucked in aka didnt need to take a huge way (longer distance) around them
@@Nalgoll Wow! That definitely takes the cake as the wildest fan fiction explanation of a Star Wars writing blunder ever! You deserve a medal kid :-)
It's also silly to think that a human (or anyone) could manually pull the Hyperspace Levers back in time to get them out of Hyperspace at the point they want to come out at.
I.e. Han manually taking the Falcon out of Hyperspace "just the right time" before slamming in to Ilum (Starkiller Base).
But, the gravity well thing annoys me the most. Why doesn't Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/THE QUEEN'S SHIP just go in to hyperspace from Naboo's atmosphere, rather than have to fly past the TF Blockade?
haha, that is ridiculous! Stop f'ing up my star wars viewing experience.
@@dirtfarmer7 I refuse to, sir! it must be said!
You don’t know Star Wars, blockades exist because of hyperspace lanes, gravity wells, and safety features in the hyperdrives/ships. Set up a blockade just within the gravity well of a planet, blocking off the hyperspace route, and the ship’s safety features will rip it out of hyperspace at the edge of the planet’s gravity. That’s why that scene in TFA makes no sense, the Falcon should’ve been yanked out of hyperspace before even coming close to Ilum, and Han would never disengage the countermeasures, he knows how stupid that is.
@@Slender_Man_186 Don't tell me what i know and don't know, dude.
@@Slender_Man_186 Everything you just said, I already know aboutk, Jackass. You completely missed the point of my post.
Hyperspace has always been a little messy. "Can you just turn off the safeties?" is a big question when it comes to gravity wells and interdictions. Because in theory it could work, but then the Corellian Trilogy said that even with the safeties off you need that weird inertia thing that burns out hyperspace cores in sequence.
Yeah, the Legends concept that interdictors activate safety mechanisms present in all hyperdrives was always stupid to me, and I'm glad to see that Canon so far seems to think that it is an inherent part of a hyperdrive's nature that interdiction fields stop it.
Yeah, like, just jump 1 light second, since Star Wars ships can only fight at visual range
It might be FTL travel.
@@michaelramon2411 Yet actual gravity in canon shows no signs of stopping anything.
Regarding the Holdo maneuver, my interpretation is that a ship accelerates to light speed just before entering hyperspace (hence why characters always refer to jumping to lightspeed almost synonymously with entering hyperspace). Holdo pulled off the near impossible act of having her ship tear through the Supremacy in the moment when it was travelling at or near lightspeed but hadn't actually made the transition to hyperspace. If it had struck even a fraction of a second later, the sacrifice would have been wasted because (in EU canon, at least) when a ship in hyperspace collides with the shadow of an object in real space, the ship is destroyed in hyperspace but the object in real space is unaffected.
Hyperspace skipping could be feasible if we look at a type of slingshot maneuver. Using the gravity well of a planet and the disturbance created to reenter light speed almost immediately. That disturbance could also be a way to foil lightspeed tracking.
Stay safe Eck.
That does seem plausible.
Elite dangerous does FTL really well.
Pretty neat how exiting super cruise in an emergency causes your ship to tumble.
i do loop of shame really well
The problem with stuff like this is that Star Wars are fantasy movies. The EU tried (and many time succeeded pretty well) to turn them into hard sci-fi.
Because of that you get two fanbases: the ones who expect the SW universe to act like a fantasy world, and the ones who want everything to have a logical, hard sci-fi reason for everything. Most of Star Wars makes no sense. And that’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
I disagree, the SW novels were still in the fantasy genre. Hard Sci-Fi would focus on the fictional science part more than anything. Characters and politics is more Soft Sci-Fi. And mythos is foreign to science-fiction.
What these SW authors get what the Disney hacks don't, is the need for consistency in a fantasy world.
There is a reason I wait till the end of your videos! Never gets old.
As if I need more reasons for why Disney's adaptations are not cannon.
Star wars: interstellar travel is inconsistent but takes a day to a week
Warhammer 40k: this little manoeuvre will cost us between 1 hour to 100 years
I hate the idea that ship can enter hyperspace even inside the planet gravity well, because if this is possible then what is the point of planetary blockade
Planetary blockades already make no sense.
@@DrewLSsix what makes you think so
@@febrian0079 With interdiction technology it sorta does. Assuming you have the resources to completely cover a planets near space with interdiction fields, and enough forces to intercept ships trying to cross the interdiction areas in realspace.
@@JohnLee-dn9ge and if they got destroyed by the Forces protected the planet ?
@@febrian0079 Then you didn't have the resources to effect a blockade in the first place? Obviously you need to be able to protect the blockade. And if you're able to cover the entire planets near space, you are. The blockade forces shown in the phantom menace didn't make sense however.
Playing Elite Dangerous made me understand what he’s talking about… In my opinion, as it happens in Elite, there’s two types of faster than light travel: the first is plain faster than light drive, where the ship just moves space around it to travel faster than light. That’s what I think it means when they say that the Millennium Falcon makes .5 past light speed… Then there’s the second type, Hyperspace, which is a transdimensional region in space-time and it’s achieved when the Hyperdrive literally creates a wormhole that the ship jumps. The first type is used to travel inside a star system and the second to jump long distances inside the galaxy.
I know, I’m nerding out, but that’s just my opinion on what makes sense to me.
Aren't the hyperspace lanes from the old lore of Star Wars since those hyperdrive were using the Force as fuel?
I mean there was a galaxy wide empire so the hyper coordinates would be recorded since their initial uses
Warp Factor (the Star Trek equivalent) is given no more thought, and is all the more egregious for it, given it's supposed to be more 'realistic' and 'scientific': memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor
At least they attempt to give the sense of distance and time with travel in ST.
@@Ebalosus By giving enirely arbitrary figures and never checking.
Would have made more sense stating
You can jump out of the gravity well but you cannot jump into a gravity well
Whatever force makes jumping into a gravity well would apply equally to jumping out of one. I.E. gravitational forces tearing your ship apart.
Multiple times in the Clone Wars capital ships jumped straight into the upper atmosphere of planets.
@@War450 I was thinking maybe the electromatic waves entering a gravity well with interfere with the navigation computer
It is always fun to speculate on possible science fiction 🙂
@Mr.T3 p3
Those same electromagnetic waves would be present when leaving said gravity well and thus interfere with the navigation computer rendering it impossible to plot out a jump.
As I said, anything that prevents you from jumping in would also prevent you from jumping out.
@@War450 when I took a field trip to NASA on part of moffett Field base back in the early 80s
I remember them saying they had to have a special insulation for re-entry so the electronic magnetic waves wouldn't interfere with the computer but they didn't need this insulation for going into orbit
Which is what I halfway based my statement on
Bakura has an anti Interdiction tech. So in Legends if you're dumb enough, you can send a ship right next to a planet's surface.
I mean, with the force basically being space magic I didn’t really expect the real sci-fi parts of Star Wars to be realistic or coherent either. That’s what it’s like with fantasy stories, everything makes sense cuz magic says so.
It's just one of those things Lucas made up in service to his homage to movie serials. Hyperspace, Hyperdrive Motivator, Power Converters, Kessel Run (and parsecs) -- it's all supposed to just be vaguely sciencey but not really fully fleshed out because they are just analogous to an engine, a starter, and a race. Repulsor Lift is another. It sounds better than the generic 'anti-gravity thing' so there you go but through six films we never even got a passing resemblance to an explanation of how it works. That's because we didn't need it. You don't need to know anything about the Kessel Run -- all you needed to know was that Han was bragging about how fast his ship was. What kind of gas it takes, how to crank it up and exactly where the turbofans were was unnecessary. It required you to suspend your disbelief A LOT -- like when three guys, a couple droids and a big dog land on a space station staffed by a million guys but somehow only ever run into about twenty of them AND THEN GET AWAY. It was ok though because it was dazzling and thrilling and a great story.
Of course, there was no way that Lucas would know we'd be parsing this shit 40 years later haha.
My biggest beef with current Star Wars is that it's becoming more like Star Trek even as Star Trek becomes more like Star Wars. They both used to have their own well defined aesthetics/technology and now they are mushing together. Federation ships move and pew pew like TIE Fighters now. The characters in Star Wars talk about 'deflector shield refresh rates' now. The consistency is what's missing from both.
Anyways. Still enjoy your videos :)
Eck, you missed one huge point as to why hyperspace makes no sense. In A New Hope, Han says the Falcon can do the Kessel run in 12 Parsecs. The parsec is not a bloody unit of time!!! It's a unit of distance, defined as the distance where an orbit of 1AU subtends an angle of 1 arc second, which is 3.26ly. What Han said is nonsense.
So, I don't think hyperspace was ever supposed to make any sense in scientific terms. But it isn't serious science fiction, it's more fantasy with a Sci-fi twist.
Star Wars' hyperdrive is a way of getting around very quickly by sneaking into another dimension to circumvent the prohibition of FTL travel dictated by Einstein’s theories of relativity.
I could go on for hours about what doesn't make sense, how it's downright illogical, so on. But I don't come to Star Wars for science. I come here for the story, the adventure, all that stuff. So, I don't let it bother me.
#AskEck
So, in Empire Strikes Back, the Falcon had no hyperdrive. And yet, the journey from the Hoth system to Bespin took a reasonably short time (maybe a couple of days or weeks, but not months or years). Yet the distances between stars mean that anything below about 100C would take months to get from one system to another.
My question is this: does the SW universe have a secondary means of FTL travel, such as a Star Trek style warp drive? If not, how did the Falcon travel from Hoth to Bespin in such a short space of time?
On the first point, I always assumed that Han was just spewing technical-sounding bullshit to what he thought was a pair of easily-impressed local yokels. That would fit his character. He's a smuggler, not a scientist.
On the second point, I think that the most likely explanation is that Hoth and Bespin were either in the same solar system, or that they were independently orbiting different stars in a binary system, which would place them close enough that a ship traveling at sublight speeds would take a few weeks to get there.
The Kessel Run was clearly intended to just be bluster, but since it's said by a main character, it's taken literally. Why Star Wars writers have always seemed to try to make it fit boggles my mind because the whole point was that it was Han trying to make himself seem better, not stating an actual fact.
That's kind of why I love the Kessel Run segment in Solo. The Coaxium provides a reason as to why they have to do it in a short amount of time, which leads to them needing to take shortcuts, and when it's over, nobody gives a crap about how impressive Han thinks it is, and Han doesn't even remain consistent with the numbering.
Its like when your friend says they went fifty and zero in call of duty or caught a fish *this* big for reals this one time. Like, sure, maybe. But it doesn't really matter.
As for Bespin, the Millenium Falcon has the special ability to travel at the speed of plot, which is coincidentally the same speed of hyperspace. It's just one of those wierd early star wars lines.
Apparently, the Millenium Falcon has a much slower backup hyperdrive. It took them weeks to reach Bespin.
@@PhilipBarcelos The problem I always had with the back-up hyperdrive explanation is why Han didn't use that to jump to lightspeed while he was being pursued.
I think it'd make more sense that Bespin was in the same system as Hoth.
@@KenoshiAkai According to Wookieepedia, both Hoth and Bespin systems are in the Anoat sector. Still, it seems too far to make the trip at sublight speeds.
When traveling in hyperspace using main routes how do shipes not fly into each other. There must be several hundred ships big and small using these lanes back and forth ??
Perhaps they got something like the TCAS System in comercial aviation (in RL): each plane (or spaceship in this case) is equipped with one, they'll recognize each other early enough to avoid a crash and even give advice how to avoid it (like descending or climbing). They of course also know, what device the other one is getting, so they don't both descend and still crash. Now in this case, it may even be improved so that the autopilot just follows that advise anyway, so they technically can't crash
And a hyperspace lane is how wide? A kilometer? A hundred kilometers? Ten thousand kilometers?
@@larrydavison8298 Probably millions of kilometers wide.
I never understood how a sphere can go at the speed of light with no thrusters
Yeah I never understood how the death star moved and went into hyperspace without any obvious engines/thrusters
if we are hyperdriving, aerodynamics and thrusters will be irrelevant, Look for negativa matter propulsion or Alcubierre drive's design.
Well, maybe a psudo warp drive?
Like, we know that the Empire has Gravity manipulation technology. Put a large Gravity well in front of the object and then put a negative gravity well at back, and the object will rapidly move forward
The Death Star is covered in thrusters, according to the RPG books. It just accelerates very slowly at sublight. And it has multiple hyperdrive engines that work in concert.
@@KenoshiAkai RPG books were never " canon," but the RPG books are the only thing we have that could make sense of this bull zhit we have.
I still have WEG: Star Wars 1994 game book along with WotC: D&D3e " S.W."
Star Trek: Warp speed is as fast as each author want it to be.
Star Wars: Hyperspace does whatever each author wants it to do.
I've been thinking about the Rogue One jump from atmosphere and basically I see it like this. You engage sub-light thrusters which make you go dummy fast but you can't reach lightspeed because of gravity. So maybe you engage the thrusters in atmosphere to boost yourself out of the atmosphere (which may be dangerous and avoided by most pilots for all kinds of reasons but the Rogue One crew was going to die if they didn't do it anyways) then once you're out of the atmosphere the thrusters pick up the slack and boom, lightspeed. Cuz when we see the U-Wing leaving Jeddha it's clearly not going at the speed of light right away. It's moving fast, but not speed of light fast. Thoughts?
One of the ways it doesn't sit well with me is that, in an atmosphere, there's going to be much more drag and debris in your path when you accelerate, so I'd expect most ships that try it would just blow up before reaching space. But evidently, shields are sufficient to cope with that.
My impression of the Haldo maneuver was that she turned the ship into a relativistic projectile. Since ships appear to need a short distance to accelerate or decelerate to or from relativistic speeds while entering or exiting Hyperspace. Which is part of my head canon as to what they mean by “0.5 light speed” or “jump to light speed”., rather than it being just a drive rating or figure of speech. Their ship needs to jump to a significant percentage of light speed in order to enter hyperspace.
That's an interesting perspective. It's not the hyperspace speed, but the entrance point. I like it. The one thing it doesn't really explain though is how quickly you actually are going once you enter hyperspace. Unless distances inherently work differently in hyperspace for some reason.
lordmonk3y This is Star Wars not Star Trek, so we will likely never get a satisfactory answers even if it is large technobabble. So here’s my answer;
It’s 1/2 the speed of light for the Falcon. Once you are in hyperspace, you’re out of phase with real space mostly in another parallel dimension where distances are shorten and it’s only your mass gravity foot print that matters and where you enter and drop out at.
At the risk of sounding more Star Trekkish, I’ll try to explain the visual feast in TLJ. At those speeds and thanks to hyperspace being in another dimension and all, there’s the additional issue of the buildup of exotic and particles and energy, presented as cherenkov radiation. So, if you were to hit something of substantial enough mass at close to the entry point, you could get what we saw, with pieces stuck in that region partially phased between hyperspace and real space, representing and travel hazard in both.
The rules should not be hard for Disney to follow:
1. Hyperdrives are hardwired to shut down when they detect gravity wells. (This is why interdictors work.)
2. Un-calculated jumps don't just teleport you somewhere random, they nearly always kill you. (This is why traps work.)
3. Travel times are somewhat non-deterministic. (This is why travel times vary wildly and why tracking doesn't work.)
Entering or exiting hyperspace while in atmosphere _must_ be de-canonized; there's no way to save it.
(If you must have ramming, make it only work against a resonating hyperspace tracker, so only idiots would use either.)
You're welcome Disney, now go make special editions that fix this garbage so I can buy them and be at peace.
Awesome video as always. Not sure if you've done this before but could you do a battle breakdown of Darth Sidious vs. The son of Mortis? I think that would be a super cool battle. Also Just wanted to thank you for all of the awesome content. You are the only star wars youtuber I know that actually creates content and doesn't just read comics and books.
When Disney wipes out legends I was hoping that they would take the opportunity to fix inconsistencies like this and the turbolazer power levels. But they just made it worse
The Holdo maneuver makes even less sense if it truly was a 1 in a million chance. She would have known her grand plan to save the Resistance had virtually no chance of success. And if she did...why was that her plan???
It’s a movie about space wizards mate
Chill ya beans
I think it was a lot more consistent earlier in the series and much more in the books/games. IF travel was actually essentially instant over great distances, there would be no reason for the unknown regions to exist. Hyperspace travel has been around for literally thousands of years. There's no reason someone wouldn't just go look at the unknown regions if they could just pop in and out instantly. There has to be some sort of resource constraint that prevented all of the known galaxy from going to look at the unknown part for THOUSANDS of years.
Concerning gravity wells, something that bugged me from TCW is that at the battle of Quell the tiny Republic frigate that Aayla Anakin and Ahsoka were in managed to jump to hyperspace... whithin Quell's atmosphere!
While I think it's certainly true that you can't let your universe become so rule-bound and moribund that telling new stories becomes impossible, I do appreciate the move toward a greater emphasis on continuity that franchise media has gained in the last few decades. It used to be the case that, like with older Star Trek, for instance, hewing closely to what happened in the last episode/movie barely mattered at all to creators, and while that freed up opportunities for bold stories like 'Wrath of Khan' and 'The Undiscovered Country,' it did engender a certain laziness, I feel, that sacrificed some parts of worldbuilding in the name of expedience. We seem to be shifting back into a period where creators emphasise story novelty over continuity (e.g. the things noted here about Star Wars' new canon) so I hope storytellers can find the right balance going forward.
I think when people criticize the stuff that the new trilogy has done, they do so because even though Star Wars is science fiction there is still some consistencies in that science fiction. In the new movies it seemed like the people wanted to do things because they can.
One major example would be Rey and Kylo's Force skype. They literally fight through it and affect the immediate space they are in, making things appear that weren't there before.
If you imagine how fast a vessel would be traveling, it makes no sense to say the gravity well of a planet would make them exit sooner. Because even if you're transitioning trough gravity, the distance to a planet is still impossibly small compared to the distance you were covering at speed. That would be like saying a person can't dive into water because they should have been stopped by the surface.
Using Interdimensional travel to bend reality is a little bit 'out' ?
*shock!* :D
This is important for me atm b/c I’m writing Star Wars fanfic with an eye for world building. The first trip takes three days, the next about the same, then there’s a round trip of four days, and finally a round trip of fourteen, seven days either way b/c the locations are opposite sides of the galaxy.
Addendum: I disagree, however, with dismissing the Holdo manoeuvre as RotS does in calling it a 1 in a million shot. Because it sounded like a weak retcon so the writers didn't have to deal with it. If it had so little chance of working, then Hux and Co. practically shitting themselves when they realise what Holdo was about to do and frantically screaming to fire on her ship would seem like an overreaction. But they reacted like it was an imminent and very plausible threat.
Hey Eck, could you do a video discussing the Astartes series that was recently finished? It was an absolute masterpiece, and I would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Hey eck I think you forgot one thing in the video about hyperspace . In the clone wars the battle for ryloth, the separatist commander tells two ships to drop out of hyperspace on to his location and they do instantly would've been nice if you could've talked about that.
Besides that nice video 👍👍
My friends and I call it a “point plot” hyperdrive
Let us remember how long it took Duchess Satine, Obi One and Anakin to get from Mandalore to Coruscant in that huge ship in the Clone Wars.
Hey, this is Star Wars, it doesn't make sense
I like how Asimov explained hyperspace in his books, objects that have an attractive property under light speed have a repulsive property above light speed
Difference is Asimov was actually making a sci-fi while George was making a fantasy in space.
The warp in 40k is more consistent than this.
There is so much irony in this statement it's hilarious
Not really. The warp like everything else in 40k makes no sense.
I am really hoping that it gets explained in the high republic that the reason why nobody does the "Holdo maneuver" is because it creates stuff like the Legacy Run disaster shown in the open sequences of the new Light of the Jedi novel. That would make more sense as to why nobody ever does it.
#AskEck
*Attempt 744*
Remember to do the Forerunners vs the Imperium of Man faction versus video.
744 Jesus Christ
Pseudomotion was exactly as the name suggests, it looks like the ship zoomed off at something (as seen in the OT), but the vessel doesn't actually zoom off between its start and finish points. After a short distance of realspace movement, the vessel stops existing and interacting with matter in realspace.
I really don't think there were any problems with consistency in the OT. Hyperspace travel actually felt very grounded and rules-based, especially in the original and Empire.
Been watching eck for a few years now and I think I've laughed at the outro, every.single.time.
A bit of a nerdier comparison but I feel like hyperspace is more like the speedforce.
It works depending on how the authors want it to work.
Well, I have to nerd out about this. I love Star Wars, so here we go...1. The largest hyperspace lanes could be literally quicker to use. This solves a lot of the problems presented in various SW sources old and new. 2. Gravity and Hyperdrives: There could be many many different "grades" or qualities of hyperdrives. For my headcanon/ Tabletop RPG version of Star Wars, I put a lot of stock into the idea of massive wars rolling through the galaxy. This sends planets and whole sectors back centuries if enough populated planets are wrecked (either physically or electronically). This means people on those planets will then try to build up their technology. It would also mean that Old or Ancient technology might be more advanced in certain sectors, and would be prized and coveted by everyone. I call it "reclaimed" or "recovered" technology. Therefore, there could be hyperdrives made that CAN enter hyperspace close to a gravitational source. New wars roll through the galaxy (or regions) and the process starts all over again. Remember: Even if a company makes a great advancement in technology, it could take generations for production to flood a sector or region with that new technology. But then a new Galactic Civil War starts, planets get blasted or EM pulsed, and on and on the cycle goes...