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There is a book called "Moses in Ancient Egypt, the Hidden Story of the Bible," That equates him with Prince Ramose, and Hebrew history about a military commander that marries the Princess of Nubia. Indeed, my Research links Adam with the Egyptian God Geb, the Canaanite El, and that makes Cain and Seth the same person, and their two bloodlines are also the same. Thanks for showing me additional evidence they are the cult of Set. As RA mose, an aspect of Moses is the Prince of RA. Moses has a new song to sing, apparently.
It would be nice if in your written summary for the video you added some relevant estimated dates, because trying to come back to the video and find an estimated date given within the 1:14:47 long video is so hard it can cause people to not do it.
Between this channel and Mindshift, I’ve been able to finally put my religious indoctrination into perspective and it’s made letting all of this go so much easier!❤
Same for me !! I just cannot find enough confidence to Tell my family. I still love them but i know when i Will tell them im atheist i Will no longer be part of family
History itself is just another layer of self interested mythology. The truth is that high civilization seem to rise and fall regularly and we are just the latest iteration. We repurpose the past as accomplishments, we reuse the stonework, we melt down the metals, we built a narrative build around putting ourselves at the story’s apex.
Congratulations for getting out. It takes serious strength. I got out 3yrs ago after 20yrs in the crap 🥳🥳 I highly recommend Kristi Burke on RUclips and I blame Bill on tiktok. Phenomenonal ex Christian contact. They walked me through my deconstruction.. It gets easier and it's soooooooo worth it!! Now go live your best life, you are free 💃🤩🙌✨
It kinda does make perfect sense that if a group of Jewish scholars had become fascinated with Greek stories and something like The Odyssey, they might want to try and wrote their own version of "a story from our history." And Moses' story certainly does carry with it a hefty atmosphere of being a Greek tragedy.
@@benmiller537 Matthew 26 53 proves who's author and Messiah,Titus can't be denied, there's lots of proof in scripture,look up Hebrew is Greek by Joseph Yahuda he'll show you proof that Hebrew and Aramaic came from the Greek language Israelites were Greek Hebrews were Asian Greeks.
The beginning of the story tho is very much Mesopotamian in origin. The whole thing about a baby being sent down a river in a reed basket to be adopted to nobles/royals is straight from the legend of Sargon the Great - founder of the Akkadian empire. Given the Akkadian empire once stretched all the way to Canaan it should surprise no one that these legends persisted over the centuries and were retconned for local geography and culture.
Islam is a derivative of early Christianity highly influenced by Arabic folklore and myth in the peninsula. As Christianity itself is a derivative of Judaism it should surprise no one that Islam contains an abundance of influences from its predecessors.
@mnomadvfx Tell me you don't understand Islam without telling me. Many prophets were mentioned as references to tell their story to Prophet Muhammad PBUH. The problem with people like you is that they ignore what was said of any of the Prophet and stick to their shallow knowledge. The whole message of Islam is that From Adam to Prophet Muhammad PBUH were all sent by God. The rest to their people while the Latter to humanity in general. There are 25 mentioned Prophet but there are thousands of messengers sent as well. Christianity and other religions were only a break of from the actual message of unity from their Prophets. It is only ignorant to claim Islam was copied from the torah or bible. 😅😅
All the tre monoistic religions are based on old myths - and the jews got the idea from the Persian idea of Zoroaster / Ahura Mazda. The worst is the way thetbit has wiped out the feminine part of life and history. In that way it has created unbalance- and we still suffer of that unbalance.. and Islam have a even longer way to go to upright the unbalance
@@apachekafka773really? It shows that people are selective in what they want to know about history….. just a bit here do you know that the word Adam means humans, not only males? A religion who only considers males as humans is really time to throw away. Dominance and conflict don’t help none of us - so let go of it!
Actually there is substantial evidence for the ark and evidence for a world wide flood ALL OVER the world. You're only proving you care nothing of evidence and just simply don't want to believe the Bible even though it is hands down the most reliable historical record known to man based on the manuscript and archeological evidence.
Well the ark has been found and the great flood is the most well documented event of all time with every ancient culture having a flood story. Look up Ron Wyatt finds Noah's ark. He also found and verifies many other events and places from the bible. Like Sodom and Gomorrah, the red sea crossing and many others.
The 12 zodiac signs became the 12 Tribes of Israel (god is the phallus). The seven years of building the Temple of God = 7 zodiac signs. The thirteen years of building the palace of the sun = 28 lunar days x 13 = one solar year.
Yep. It is very ancient going back to the Hunter Gatherer "Astronomy Consciousness" displayed on Panel 43 at Gobekli Tepe. 7,000 years later it all starts to be encoded into the Astro-Theology of "World Age Passage Archetypal Eternal Return" into the Priestly Religions of the Levant. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Starting to put this all together goes back to the 1969 book "Hamlet's Mill" and Vera W. Reid's 1946 book "Towards Aquarius" written during the Blitz in London during WWII. Excellent work here Derek Lambert in starting to lay out the threads of the Hellenistic fusion after Alexander the Great! I am hard at work on my own book with four years of intensive research in. It is all fascinating on a psychological level. The work of C.G. Jung is alive and well! Especially with the entire current "State of Israel" now facing total social and economic collapse within a year because of the Right Wing Suicide of the Nation in and Endless completely Unwinnable War of Attrition. May everyone live in very interesting times ...
They are the PRINCIPALITIES Jesus spoke of. The embodiments of aspects of consciousness. Desire, Lust, Greed, All taking different forms to convince those of certain faiths but they're no Gods, simply embodiment entities to dissuade you from the real GOD and seduce you with desires.
On a lighter note: When was motor racing first mentioned in the bible? When Moses came fourth in his Triumph, of course. And drugs? When he came down from the mountain with two tablets. Tennis? When he served in the courts of Pharaoh. Etc.
@LaoZi2023 the two tablets are on each 5 principles of relationship. Only the initiated sage has been in the void, and knows not to write about that relationship ❤. All should experience it. 💜
@@LaoZi2023 The lost 5 : "Thou shalt not count pigs in a Thursday." "Thou shalt keep the Feast of Wheeks" (as in, invite guinea pigs to the feast). "Thou shalt not seethe when a kid drinks milk." "Thou shalt not allow the prophet to make a profit." "Thou shalt floss regularly."
Thankyou so much for what you do.. Christianity gave me two chronic mental illnesses.. My heart breaks for the children raised in it.. Sending love and solidarity 💜✨
I had no idea Plato said that about the ideal nation being formed of 12 tribes. Man. Just when I think I know everything, you throw something new at me 😂
12 was what many cultures used to base their mathematics around. This continues today. 12 inches in a foot. 12 men make a squad. It's been a great way to add, subtract, divide, and multiply a unit for measurement.
Some religions have better PR departments than others. When coupled with an effective accounting, and acquisitions departments, that’s a world winning combo.
Yeah, xtian apologia still dominates, though probably not for long. Besides the earliest writings failing to so much as hint at any earthly existence, heaps of late forgeries demonstrate that (1) even in the 2nd century no legitimate evidence "for" could be found, and that (2) early xtians recognized it as a serious problem demanding a remedy. The remedy chosen was the usual.
You might catch this number ten, in the fairy tale bible. The scorpion is probably pissed about the removal of his claws to become the Libra constellation. See Rev. 9.5, where Scorpio is the leader of Sagittarius thru Pisces.
No, the fifth and sixth months were _renamed_ as July and August. That's why August is followed by the seventh month. It was January and February that were added. That's why it's February that is the short month.
The "Man"lifted from the waters (southern hemisphere) is Aquarius. It was Zeus, as the Eagle (Aquila) who carried Aquarius to the top of the mountain. One of the many names of the man with the water pitcher is Ganymede.
These videos are so good, because they help to remind us, again and again, that the Bible did not come to us in a full-blown unit. That over the centuries there have been many many different manuscripts, legends, and stories, and random pieces of them found, that eventually someone rummaged through and decided ( for reasons of his own) to staple some of them together into a unit, to "create" a history and a hope, for a certain group of people.
You are correct! Early Judaism needed an "origin story" and they concocted a doozy of a story I will give them that! 🤣But think about this: the Jews are Yahweh's "Chosen People" yet flash forward to 1938 - 1945 Europe and about 6,000,000 Jews later Yahweh is nowhere to be found! 🤨Maybe just like Jesus, Yahweh went out for cigarettes and never came back. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess!
it's weird, just like there are ZERO historical mentions of Bilbo Baggins before 1937 even though middle earth existed thousands of years ago. Not a single damn mention....
Perhaps not, but I do know the secrets of the 9 rings, the 7 rings, the 3 rings, and the circle of the Zodiac is the actual one ring to rule them all. These together the key to the bottomless pit, and Apollo the sun God is named destroyer every 12,000 years. The Locusts are symbolic and astrological references to the Zodiac, and potentially the Mushushu assossciated with the God Marduk.
I truly wish the content of this channel had been taught in schools Fifty years ago! It would have saved me decades of mental anguish and fear of the unknown. Thank you ever so much!
Moses was thrown in a basket down the river, grew up to become powerful.... Dead Sea scrolls are oldest Hebrew writings, around 250 BCE... Sargon of Akkad was thrown in a basket down the river, and grew up to become powerful... Sargon lived 2450 BCE Romulus and Remus, founder twins of Rome, were thrown in a basket down the river, and grew up to build Rome.... Myth is at least verified as old as the start of the Republic 509 BCE This alone makes it clear the Moses story is plagiarized and made up
Many ancient historians from that time would of been very interested in any accounts from history regardless of where it came from, it was only Diocletian that decreed Christian writings should be burnt but if he did he failed because we still have the bible and, there were historian's that were out of Roman reach like Persia who once ruled Judea . Josephus Antiques contains more information about biblical characters. Early Christians did ban certain writings though, the group called 'the way' (who were later to be called christians) writings were banned. Some of their writings appear among the Dead sea scrolls but they were the Jamesian Christianity not the Pauline version which is why they weren't liked, because their version was more like that of Jesus & James and not Pauls version which won the first Christian scism.
@@OsirisNeitsAny religion with ridiculous dogmas is a cult anyway except some rational cults such as Ben Klassen's Creativity and William L. Pierce's Cosmotheism
Oedipus and Moses. Both sent off as infants because the kind wanted to "harm" them. Both were raised by royalty, not knowing their true origins. Both were named after how they were found as infants. Both interact with a mysterious being in the wilderness. Sphinx, burning bush.Both involved a sort of riddle.... The parallels are too much to ignore
there are thousands of years of history of the egyptians and masopotamian tribes, this was done frequently in that history. Seeing two stories that are familiar doesnt make them false. Think of modern times, would you discount a story of one family only because other families have done the same?
@@GiIgasmash These aren't stories my neighbors are telling of their grandparents. This is just one example of literary borrowing among many in the Septuigent.
I love moses as a kid ... never understood until adult that he raided towns for a tyrant god . I knew something was off especially punishment by snake bites when they whined being thirsty in a desert climate.. the result ,, make an idol of bronze serpent 🐍 to stare at at the bites will stop( magic )
The number 12 idea comes from the zodiac which has been intertwined with ancient mythology. Within the Hyksos there were people that went by the name "Shasu", these in turn were made of other groups, one of them were the Midianites. The Midianites were said to have come from the land of YHW. Believed to be the followers of the Abraham god. So, it is very possible that this story is true.
Good point. The bible is full of astrology. The Old Testament is about the Age of Aries, which is why we have so many references to rams, lambs, sheep and the blowing of the shofar.
Rather, the zodiac comes from the number 12, the number of months in a year. Obsession with 12 does not imply any astrology. You need actual evidence for the latter, wholly lacking in Judaism.
I cant describe in few words, if any amount, how much I enjoy these videos. And this man is not a BS'er: IN THAT when I look for peer reviewed, scholarly sources to back what MythVision Pod says, its exonerated.
I think it's safe to say that a base 12 counting system was standard in ancient days. For the reason we still use the dozen. Base 12 is the most intuitive system. Bankers used it te quickly and accurately estimate, before computers, while you were counting on your fingers. Fundamental terms seem to be lifted straight out of Egypt. This seems to come more from understanding (of language) than from (distant) memory. I'm pretty convinced that Moses refers to the name of the pharaoh's name, as many aspects of that royal court seem to be projected. That's difficult to equate with very late dates.
There is one important trace in the Pentateuch in favour of the Exodus story having a grain of real history in it. It's the prevalence of Egyptian names in the story of Exodus. Aaron, Moses, Merari, Miriam… and more, they're all Egyptian names. So Exodus is a story of "Egyptianized Canaanites" returning to Canaan after centuries of absence. The closest we find in Egyptian historiography is the expulsion of the Hyksos by Ahmose I around 1550 BCE.
@@gwynedd1 Not really, it goes deeper than that. People tend to use the names of their culture and language. The Egyptian names being used in the Hebrew Bible strongly indicates a deep Egyptian link. After all, Moses is called Moses not...some random name that was actually Hebrew. Unless of course Moses, Aaron etc were Egyptian names so embedded in the Hebrew culture of the time they didnt even consider them foreign. I can't remember the Pharaoh, there was/is a Great Courses course (lol) on Egypt that is free on Audible (at least is was free a few months ago when i listened to it). There is some evidence (according to the actual professor of Egyptology who did the course) that the Pharoah at the time the Hyksos/proto israelites left Egypt did indeed lose his Firstborn Son. So there is that little connecting nugget also. Bear in mind that Egypt were not the good guys. They were raiders and asskickers. They had been the big boys on the block for millenia. Given the antagonism between Egypt and Canaan/Israel etc, why would they choose to use Egyptian naming conventions? There are not many young Adolfs around outside of Germany these days are there? Unless of course the Egyptian language was deeply embedded in their own culture, for some reason.....
Actually, the Harris Papyrus hints at the proto-Moses story. A rebel called Su united the outcast in PI-Ramses and used mercenaries from Canaan to fight Pharaoh. He paid them by looting Temples. (Melting of the golden calf). But he lost and had to flee north with all his followers.
With less than 1% of ancient documents surviving. It is not surprising nothing extra-biblical relating to a minor people of a minor nation’s history mention anything of an individual from pre-collapse, roughly 1177 BC.
You're watching closely? Can you see me when I'm sleeping and do you know when I'm awake, do you know when I've been bad or good? On a serious note your content has really improved over time.
"Holy Moses, I have been deceived, Now the wind has changed direction, and I'll have to leave. Won't you please excuse my frankness, But it's not my cup of tea. Holy Moses, I have been deceived." -- Elton John and Bernie Taupin
See the work of Robert Graves for the parallels between the Hellenistic and Abrahamic traditions: “The Greek Myths” and “The White Goddess” in particular.
king arthur was created by a book writer and story teller in the 1100s, moses is a story dating back 4000 years told by religious leaders. Comparing the two shows the foolishness and emotional attachment you have to denying religion and casting as much shade on it as you can. Try being more objective if you want people to care what you have to say.
@@GiIgasmash The story of Moses was invented and written by scribes during the Babylonian captivity in the 6th century BCE. It might have drawn on the oral traditions passed (and distorted) over the Millennium that separated the claimed events and the writers. In this respect it's no different from the story of King Arthur.
If Aaron is the brother of Moses...from which family did he come? Was he from Mose's biological family? If so, how did Moses and Aaron reunite? Or was Aaron from the family of the pharaoh? If so, why would Aaron have any allegiance to the Hebrew God and why would he go against his family? Or was their brotherhood a novel union from their religious covenant with YHWH?
And why did Aaron not get put into a basket of rushes and sent down the river guarded by Miriam? The Egyptians just allowed him to have a normal childhood?
It was portrayed as if he & Miriam were Moses' biological younger siblings & the Egyptians just randomly chose to kill all the male babies, once, just to stick it to the slaves, so Aaron would have been born after this.
It's weird and off putting that such a bloodthirsty, dyssocial and genocidal mythical character as Moses is seen as a huge hero in 3 major religions. Numbers 31: 13-21 is kind of a horror story, where Moses orders the killing of even captive women and their male infants - and letting the soldiers take the young girls "for themselves" after having killed the rest of their families - while irrationally blaming their people for a plague. And there is also Exodus 32: 27-29 where Moses commands the Levites among his people to kill their own close family members and neighbours because of religious differences. According to the story he wanted them dead because they believed in and worshipped another God (aka the golden calf), and thus made Moses and his fellow believers and followers "a laughing stock to their enemies''. And after the massacre Moses praised them and said they are blessed for having killed their own brothers and sons
It is weird. When you read the bible with a fresh pair of eyes and see how barbaric it is, especially the Old Testament, it's hard to believe that people still think it is true. The golden calf you mention, is supposed to do with the Age of Taurus. Moses didn't want his followers to worship their old gods or Elohim. He wanted them to focus on Yahweh only in the new Age of Aries. This is why there is so emphasis on rams, lambs, sheep and the blowing of the shofar.
2 Corinthians 3:3 God doesn't write in stone. (Moses might have fibbed) Doesn't match other times god appears to Adam, Noah, Lot... everyone in person, with their message. John 5:45, John 6:32, Matthew 16:12 Moses gave you NOT the true bread from heaven, bread is doctrine.
Not really. The majority like stories rather than philosophy, the plebeians loved the mythos of heroes and villains, giants and monsters. They just inserted political ideology into the stories. Our story tellers / leaders (priests) carry the “blessings of the God’s - they have inherited godliness…pay your entry fee and BE part of the story….praise us and become closer to your heroes” It’s Fandom, like following Star Wars or Marvel….
Myth can be a motivating force to build a next generation Torah=Instruction Could that be the point? Cultural , Guidebook, Law, Origin all things needed to move forward. Harvard, Yale, Colombia all found on biblical teachings until Horace Mann was sent to Prussia after that we copied their Degrees and grading systems
The story of Moses occurred in history however all of the details were deliberately reversed in the Holy Bible, in one of the first religious propaganda spin stories, in order to make the monotheists look like the victims and the Egyptians look like the aggressors. In reality, it was the monotheists who were the aggressors and the Egyptians were the victims. In the 13th dynasty of Egypt people known by modern historians as the Israelite pharaohs, AKA the hyksos or “shepherd kings”, conquered northern Egypt taking control of its throne for their own purposes. This foreign occupation lasted for about 300 years until a pharaoh descended of those original conquerors named Amenhetep the 4th tried to force monotheism on the Egyptian population; taking as his new name, one of several aliases, Akhenaten. For the native Egyptians, who had suffered the machinations of their foreign rulers, this was the last straw. Five Egyptian generals funded by the southern treasury of Egypt launched a military coup and exiled Amenhetep along with his Levitical priesthood. It was after his expulsion that, realizing he couldn’t work openly anymore, Amenhetep took his last alias - “Moses”; a name truncation derived from one of his relatives named Thutmoses. From that point, the propaganda of the Holy Bible was written.
Josephus wrote stuff about Moses that isn't in the Bible, he spoke about a military campaign Moses led south of Egypt and that a statue was erected after his victory, some years ago the base of a statue was found by archaeologists in that same place, which is interesting. Josephus said that he got his information in Antiques from texts that he was allowed to take from the Temples library after the conquest of Jerusalem.
@@misslayer999 Awesome! There's a great book I'd recommend called Between Jerusalem and Benares edited by Hananya Goodman, that goes into the link between Hinduism and Judaism. Many of the Vedic stories mirror the Old Testament stories, and as I mentioned, it is believed that the Brahmans (chosen caste) created Judaism. In fact, the story of Abraham and Sarah came from the story of Brahma and Saraswati. Voltaire echoed this claim in Ezourvedam in 1760 stating that not only were Brahma and Abraham the same, but that all religions originally came out of India, the cradle of civilization. But it was really Megasthenes who clued us into who the Jews really were and where they originally came from. Megasthenes, an Ionian from Asia Minor, and contemporary of Seleucus Nicator, was charged with several embassies to India, where he spent a number of years between 302 and 288 BCE. His book Indica was one of the chief sources of knowledge about India in the Hellenistic era. He was the first to write about the connection between Judaism and Indian philosophers calling them Calanoi or Ioudaioi in Syria. Aristotle also spoke about them saying that the "Jews are descended (apogonoi) from the Indian philosophers." And Flavius Josephus quotes a passage from Clearchus' Dialogue on Dreams, which recounts what Aristotle said. And if you can get your hands on a copy of Arumuga Navalar's booklet, The Abolition of the Abuse of Saivism (1868), you'll see how similar these religions really are. Navalar wrote the booklet as a response to the abuses that were imposed on the Indian people by missionaries during the time of Great Britain's brutal colonization. To refute these attacks and abuses, Navalar used his extensive knowledge of the books that compose the Old Testament to show how similar the stories were to his own religion of Saivism (worship of Shiva). And it worked. Many people in the west have no idea what Hinduism is about. It is a closed off religion, much like Judaism. And like Judaism, Hinduism has stood the test of time.
@@misslayer999 I tried to leave a comment, but YT keeps deleting it. So, I'll shorten my response, and hope it sticks! Megasthenes was the first to write about the Indian/Jewish connection around 300 B.C., Aristotle also wrote about it, and Flavius Josephus quoted Aristotle on the matter. Even Voltaire wrote about in 1760, stating that the biblical Abraham and Sarah were actually Brahma and Saraswati. There are some books on the topic, like Between Jerusalem and Benares edited by Hananya Goodman, or Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence by Stephen Knapp.
The song of Deborah is acknowladged by scholars including Finkkestein to have been written during the time if the judges. See Judges 5:2-21 to read the account.
What this shows is that we can date the Moses story as late as the helenistic period, but it doesn't show that It originated from that time. Greek influence could have been present throughout the iron age. I would argue that both Jewish and Greek societies were part of the Persian empire, and that intermingling of stories could have happened during that time
I wonder if after the collapse of the current civilization and subsequent rise of the new one millennia from now, if they will look at the ruins of King's Cross Train Station and London City and the remnants of the Christ Church College Dining Hall at Oxford and decide that The Harry Potter Chronicles were historical facts???
@@redflag4255 ... only for the minor minority of the very few rational ones... the rest of humanity will continue to believe it and wrangle over it until the next collapse of civilization... until the sun decides it had enough of that.
@@redflag4255 ... only few will figure it out... the rest will continue to believe it until the next cycle of collapse of civilization... well... at least until the sun has had enough.
Does not the laws contributed to Moses condemn the Israelites from going into someone else’s land and murder, steal, and taken it over? For is that not what they did.
More on the "hero-exposure" tradition, on most of those myths, the person hostile to the child, which is a reigning figure in most of the cases, learns via a prophecy that the child/future child will cause his downfall, reason why he tries to kill the child, who is hidden, and eventually grows up and finally accomplishes the prohecy... it's even the story of Zeus... and, to some extent, the "slaughter of the innocents" in the New Testament is also a reflexe of this tradition.
Did peasants read the Bible? Outside of the church, peasants and laborers typically couldn't read in any language or afford books. However, plenty of lay aristocrats and some members of the middle class could read in vernacular languages, and the wealthiest among them were the main target audience for translations of the Bible.
Alexander introduced Greek culture, literature and philosophy to the near east ancient civilizations which alongside Egypt are the place where most of Greek philosophy, literature and culture was based on and heavily influenced.
You did Neal wrong. He was justified with what he said about McClellan. I also don't like your creepy psuedo psychoanalysis you did to Neal about him being a "hey hey" New Yorker. Dan set himself up as the guy calling "balls and strikes". When you do that you need to be open to criticism. Nothing Neal said was false. Idk why you shill for Dan so hard. Oh and saying "why don't you go after Ammon too?" IS a childish argument.
I regret that I have but one thumbs down to give. How on earth do you pronounce Colchis correctly but pronounce Chaldean like chalk, or chew? Dee-odorus See-cwoolus. And, sadly, the pronunciation is the best part of this so-called "history". Just complete lunacy...
It's so obvious the bible is just a compendium of some mythological stories. We wouldn't know when people decided to start following it as law, but we certainly know why: power and control.
This was extremely thought-provoking and very well done. I especially appreciated that you put much of this presentation into text on the screen bc that gave me the chance to either pause and read it or take a screenshot of it and paste it into a powerpoint so i can further process and reread it. I also liked Weinfeld's comments that much of Biblical literature has parallels with the ANE but that the national origin stories really don't begin until the Hellenistic period which lends additional weight to believing that the Pentateuch may have been much later than we thought. Good stuff. Consider my mind BLOWN.
What blows my mind is NOT THE INVENTION OF MOSES, but that you actually believe that Moses was an invention. Bart Ehrman, is a great Biblical Scholar, but he is not the best person to rely on for interpreting the Scriptures. Even Bart Ehrman, believes that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical figure--based both on the New Testament documents, and other Historical texts outside the Bible (he wrote a whole book on it) Jesus was NOT A MYTH. So, if these claims are true, then what Jesus Said ABOUT MOSES, trumps anything Bart Ehrman believes about a man who lived 3000 years ago. MOST of the information we have about Moses comes from the Old Testament scripture. AND, JESUS GIVES MOSES HISTORICAL CREDENCE, and for that matter, so do all the other Jews who recorded and passed down Historical knowledge about Moses. It is absolutely ludicrous, for Bart Ehrman 3000 years removed from Moses, to claim Moses was an invention. Jesus, after all was 2000 years closer, and so were the Jews before Jesus, who had a vested interest to PRESERVE the teaching of Moses in the Old Testament--their entire society was based on the Law of Moses after all.
Thoth is the ibis god but he is also depicted holding rods around which snakes bearing the Egyptian crowns entwine. Hermes also bears a snake entwined rod: the caduceus. Moses is also depicted with snake-staffs. Thoth invented writing, Hermes the alphabet, Moses the Torah. Moses heals, Thoth is the god of healing. Hermes' Caduceus restores life but it is Asclepius who also bears a snake-staff who is the Greek healer-god. Both Hermes' and Asclepius' snake-staffs were given to them by Apollo who was also a conqueror of serpents.
Whoever Moses was, he was conversant with Annunaki technology. This is illustrated by his 'grinding' up the Golden Calf into powder, and making the Israelites drink the potion. He was curing them using monatomic gold.
Im five month off methadone today and 6 years off heroin. Im also 10 years free of Religion and trying to just find answers in general to life. Maybe thats my problem 😂 Hope you and the family are well 👍 Edited. Isnt it ironic that the most well know person ever, might not of even existed.... Jesus 😂😂
Once you started promoting Bart Erhman's stuff, then i tuned out your video. If your calculation engine decides to promote that wacko, then what else if your calculation engine deciding?!
Yet Moses' first Commandment is "Thou shall not have other Gods before me". Moses says that there are other Gods before his God. In his day and age there were "other Gods" before his God. Other tribes worshipped their own Gods, just like he did. There was more than one God. Moses lived in a world where many tribes worshipped many Gods, but he was selfish. His God was better than other people's God.
Fantastic, as always! I recommended the channel to my buddy this week, so I'm expecting he might have some interesting and complex questions for me next time we have a catch up, lol. 😆👍
About that Moses as a baby story. Doesn't the Nile River have crocodiles? That is a great opportunity for some good old-fashioned Biblical BS. Baby Moses gets attacked by a crocodile but rips the croc's head off then makes a toy rattle out of its teeth.
I can't believe that this meaty meatboy has made himself the most informative and entertaining resource for religious history on the internet. It's making me think that I might be the source of my own problems. I hate it.
Some scholars have noted that there are many "Moses" like figures in the mythology of many of the surrounding older cultures, as are most if not all of the stories in the 'old testament' of the bible.
Absolutely incredible presentation, Derek! You make a very convincing case. And thanks for citing the ancient historians regarding where these ideas came from.
This is not true. I do not believe that Moses was truthful in his writings, and I do not believe that his God was legitimate, but I know he was a historical figure. Not only is there historical (archeological evidence) proving that he existed, but there is also a corresponding history of Egyptian events that do correspond with the account. You and many others place the Exodus in the wrong part of the timeline. Moses was found as an infant by young Hatshepsut, and adopted by her stepfather, Thutmose II. It was after Hatshepsut's reign that the Exodus takes place, but not as late as late as Ramses or Ramses II. By the time of the Mernoptah stele, Israel had already conquered Canaan and divided into two kingdoms, which fits the biblical timeline just fine.
If it is true that ancient Israel was once a colony of ancient Egypt it would not be too difficult to prove because, genealogy would reveal a common ancestry origin. However, DNA sequencing tests do not reveal a very close relationship to each other. Indrrd DNA testing actually disproves it. Jews sre more closely related to an Arabic Levant genealogy. Egyptians are more closely related to Anotolians and Afroasiatic lineages of North Africa and the Horn of Africa. There is also some evidence of intermarriage between Egyptians and Nubians. For more on this, look at the Wikipedia pages tiitled Genetic History of Egypt, and Genetic Studies of Jews, particularly the sub-chapter Ancient Israelite DNA.
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There is a book called "Moses in Ancient Egypt, the Hidden Story of the Bible," That equates him with Prince Ramose, and Hebrew history about a military commander that marries the Princess of Nubia. Indeed, my Research links Adam with the Egyptian God Geb, the Canaanite El, and that makes Cain and Seth the same person, and their two bloodlines are also the same. Thanks for showing me additional evidence they are the cult of Set. As RA mose, an aspect of Moses is the Prince of RA. Moses has a new song to sing, apparently.
They also discovered Santa Claus sledge in the North Pole 😂😂😂😂😂smh
Bart Ehrman is simply someone who makes a living supporting lies. 😢
It would be nice if in your written summary for the video you added some relevant estimated dates, because trying to come back to the video and find an estimated date given within the 1:14:47 long video is so hard it can cause people to not do it.
pure bullshit
Between this channel and Mindshift, I’ve been able to finally put my religious indoctrination into perspective and it’s made letting all of this go so much easier!❤
Same for me !! I just cannot find enough confidence to Tell my family. I still love them but i know when i Will tell them im atheist i Will no longer be part of family
@Mindshift is awesome. I'd like to see more collaborations.
History itself is just another layer of self interested mythology. The truth is that high civilization seem to rise and fall regularly and we are just the latest iteration. We repurpose the past as accomplishments, we reuse the stonework, we melt down the metals, we built a narrative build around putting ourselves at the story’s apex.
Congratulations for getting out. It takes serious strength. I got out 3yrs ago after 20yrs in the crap 🥳🥳 I highly recommend Kristi Burke on RUclips and I blame Bill on tiktok. Phenomenonal ex Christian contact. They walked me through my deconstruction.. It gets easier and it's soooooooo worth it!! Now go live your best life, you are free 💃🤩🙌✨
@@electronicpower1826I hope you are wrong and they don't reject you. Best wishes to you ❤✨
It kinda does make perfect sense that if a group of Jewish scholars had become fascinated with Greek stories and something like The Odyssey, they might want to try and wrote their own version of "a story from our history."
And Moses' story certainly does carry with it a hefty atmosphere of being a Greek tragedy.
Yep. If one follows the evidence, or lack thereof, along with finding ideas that are 'much more likely' than others, one gets closer to the truth
When was the odyssey rediscovered and translated?
@@benmiller537 Matthew 26 53 proves who's author and Messiah,Titus can't be denied, there's lots of proof in scripture,look up Hebrew is Greek by Joseph Yahuda he'll show you proof that Hebrew and Aramaic came from the Greek language Israelites were Greek Hebrews were Asian Greeks.
The beginning of the story tho is very much Mesopotamian in origin.
The whole thing about a baby being sent down a river in a reed basket to be adopted to nobles/royals is straight from the legend of Sargon the Great - founder of the Akkadian empire.
Given the Akkadian empire once stretched all the way to Canaan it should surprise no one that these legends persisted over the centuries and were retconned for local geography and culture.
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Messiah = son of Jupiter (IU Piter)/
This also debunks Islam, because Moses is the prophet whose name is mentioned most often in the Quran (136 times, Mohammed is only mentioned 4 times)
Islam is mostly taken from the Torah and the Bible.
Islam is a derivative of early Christianity highly influenced by Arabic folklore and myth in the peninsula.
As Christianity itself is a derivative of Judaism it should surprise no one that Islam contains an abundance of influences from its predecessors.
@mnomadvfx Tell me you don't understand Islam without telling me.
Many prophets were mentioned as references to tell their story to Prophet Muhammad PBUH. The problem with people like you is that they ignore what was said of any of the Prophet and stick to their shallow knowledge.
The whole message of Islam is that From Adam to Prophet Muhammad PBUH were all sent by God. The rest to their people while the Latter to humanity in general.
There are 25 mentioned Prophet but there are thousands of messengers sent as well.
Christianity and other religions were only a break of from the actual message of unity from their Prophets.
It is only ignorant to claim Islam was copied from the torah or bible. 😅😅
All the tre monoistic religions are based on old myths - and the jews got the idea from the Persian idea of Zoroaster / Ahura Mazda. The worst is the way thetbit has wiped out the feminine part of life and history. In that way it has created unbalance- and we still suffer of that unbalance.. and Islam have a even longer way to go to upright the unbalance
@@apachekafka773really? It shows that people are selective in what they want to know about history….. just a bit here do you know that the word Adam means humans, not only males? A religion who only considers males as humans is really time to throw away. Dominance and conflict don’t help none of us - so let go of it!
For the algorithm!
Noah's arc was my favorite story as a child now its my favorite proof that every thing from religion is pure imagination
Ironically one of the more proven stories. That story predates Christianity and Rome and so on
@@keanodaley512 - No proof whatsoever. In fact, mountains of data against. The tale dates from the Jewish enslavement in ancient Syria.
Actually there is substantial evidence for the ark and evidence for a world wide flood ALL OVER the world. You're only proving you care nothing of evidence and just simply don't want to believe the Bible even though it is hands down the most reliable historical record known to man based on the manuscript and archeological evidence.
Well the ark has been found and the great flood is the most well documented event of all time with every ancient culture having a flood story. Look up Ron Wyatt finds Noah's ark. He also found and verifies many other events and places from the bible. Like Sodom and Gomorrah, the red sea crossing and many others.
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12 months, 12 zodiac signs, 12 labors, 12 gates, etc. Amazing how astrology plays into every ancient religion.
The 12 zodiac signs became the 12 Tribes of Israel (god is the phallus). The seven years of building the Temple of God = 7 zodiac signs. The thirteen years of building the palace of the sun = 28 lunar days x 13 = one solar year.
Yep. It is very ancient going back to the Hunter Gatherer "Astronomy Consciousness" displayed on Panel 43 at Gobekli Tepe. 7,000 years later it all starts to be encoded into the Astro-Theology of "World Age Passage Archetypal Eternal Return" into the Priestly Religions of the Levant. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Starting to put this all together goes back to the 1969 book "Hamlet's Mill" and Vera W. Reid's 1946 book "Towards Aquarius" written during the Blitz in London during WWII. Excellent work here Derek Lambert in starting to lay out the threads of the Hellenistic fusion after Alexander the Great! I am hard at work on my own book with four years of intensive research in. It is all fascinating on a psychological level. The work of C.G. Jung is alive and well! Especially with the entire current "State of Israel" now facing total social and economic collapse within a year because of the Right Wing Suicide of the Nation in and Endless completely Unwinnable War of Attrition. May everyone live in very interesting times ...
13th horoscope sign
Demons literally tried to usurp the order of the reality God created to use it against us. That's why witchcraft, voodoo, kundalini etc ALL work.
They are the PRINCIPALITIES Jesus spoke of.
The embodiments of aspects of consciousness.
Desire, Lust, Greed, All taking different forms to convince those of certain faiths but they're no Gods, simply embodiment entities to dissuade you from the real GOD and seduce you with desires.
Moses: the guy who supposes his toeses are roses.
Moses will return as the rainy month of January. His eyes, the stars in Aquarius, are still bright as ever.
But Moses supposes erroneously!😂
On a lighter note:
When was motor racing first mentioned in the bible?
When Moses came fourth in his Triumph, of course.
And drugs?
When he came down from the mountain with two tablets.
Tennis?
When he served in the courts of Pharaoh.
Etc.
He originally came down with three tablets, but one had broken on the way down. There used to be 15 commandments.
@LaoZi2023 the two tablets are on each 5 principles of relationship. Only the initiated sage has been in the void, and knows not to write about that relationship ❤.
All should experience it. 💜
@@LaoZi2023 The lost 5 :
"Thou shalt not count pigs in a Thursday."
"Thou shalt keep the Feast of Wheeks" (as in, invite guinea pigs to the feast).
"Thou shalt not seethe when a kid drinks milk."
"Thou shalt not allow the prophet to make a profit."
"Thou shalt floss regularly."
Source?
Before the tablets he headed for the hills and burned a little weed
Thankyou so much for what you do.. Christianity gave me two chronic mental illnesses.. My heart breaks for the children raised in it.. Sending love and solidarity 💜✨
I love this documentary format. So much more filled with info that does not come out during conversational format.
I agree! More of this. Derek, you probably have a mountain of stuff to talk about like this, so definitely consider a lot more! Great stuff
I had no idea Plato said that about the ideal nation being formed of 12 tribes. Man. Just when I think I know everything, you throw something new at me 😂
12 was what many cultures used to base their mathematics around. This continues today. 12 inches in a foot. 12 men make a squad. It's been a great way to add, subtract, divide, and multiply a unit for measurement.
Some religions have better PR departments than others. When coupled with an effective accounting, and acquisitions departments, that’s a world winning combo.
Yeah, xtian apologia still dominates, though probably not for long. Besides the earliest writings failing to so much as hint at any earthly existence, heaps of late forgeries demonstrate that (1) even in the 2nd century no legitimate evidence "for" could be found, and that (2) early xtians recognized it as a serious problem demanding a remedy. The remedy chosen was the usual.
There aren't twelve months in the roman system until after Julius Caesar's reign, it was a ten month system, August and July are added
You might catch this number ten, in the fairy tale bible. The scorpion is probably pissed about the removal of his claws to become the Libra constellation. See Rev. 9.5, where Scorpio is the leader of Sagittarius thru Pisces.
No, the fifth and sixth months were _renamed_ as July and August. That's why August is followed by the seventh month. It was January and February that were added. That's why it's February that is the short month.
Numa created the 12 month calendar, Julius revised it, there have been many calendar revisions
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We don't know which day of the week we are in. Just call them sun days.
The Egyptians had a named constellation for every week
That statue of mosses looks like a statue of posidon iv seen somewhere.
Im really Lichen that statue of Mosses.
The "Man"lifted from the waters (southern hemisphere) is Aquarius. It was Zeus, as the Eagle (Aquila) who carried Aquarius to the top of the mountain. One of the many names of the man with the water pitcher is Ganymede.
These videos are so good, because they help to remind us, again and again, that the Bible did not come to us in a full-blown unit. That over the centuries there have been many many different manuscripts, legends, and stories, and random pieces of them found, that eventually someone rummaged through and decided ( for reasons of his own) to staple some of them together into a unit, to "create" a history and a hope, for a certain group of people.
You are correct! Early Judaism needed an "origin story" and they concocted a doozy of a story I will give them that! 🤣But think about this: the Jews are Yahweh's "Chosen People" yet flash forward to 1938 - 1945 Europe and about 6,000,000 Jews later Yahweh is nowhere to be found! 🤨Maybe just like Jesus, Yahweh went out for cigarettes and never came back. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess!
it's weird, just like there are ZERO historical mentions of Bilbo Baggins before 1937 even though middle earth existed thousands of years ago. Not a single damn mention....
How dare you.
Bilbo was REAL.
Wrong, you never studied the different versions of homosapien that gave lord of the rings there content 😂
Once you get the ring your doomed no matter how tight you hold onto it
Perhaps not, but I do know the secrets of the 9 rings, the 7 rings, the 3 rings, and the circle of the Zodiac is the actual one ring to rule them all. These together the key to the bottomless pit, and Apollo the sun God is named destroyer every 12,000 years. The Locusts are symbolic and astrological references to the Zodiac, and potentially the Mushushu assossciated with the God Marduk.
@@EmeraldEyesEsoteric it's nice to meet another god of wisdom 🙏
I truly wish the content of this channel had been taught in schools Fifty years ago! It would have saved me decades of mental anguish and fear of the unknown.
Thank you ever so much!
My guess is that a small tribe of pastoral goat/sheep herders took some ideas and laws from Ramses, renamed Moses through linguistic drift.
They were not pastoral tribes
Rather they were usurers and slave traders
My guess is they decided to steal the Greek religion and philosophy throwing in elements of their own as cover.
Or Titmose(s)
Yeeess, the sheepses and the ramses
Guesses have no worth finding out what happened. An informed guess based on something other than your gut, however...
Moses was thrown in a basket down the river, grew up to become powerful.... Dead Sea scrolls are oldest Hebrew writings, around 250 BCE...
Sargon of Akkad was thrown in a basket down the river, and grew up to become powerful... Sargon lived 2450 BCE
Romulus and Remus, founder twins of Rome, were thrown in a basket down the river, and grew up to build Rome.... Myth is at least verified as old as the start of the Republic 509 BCE
This alone makes it clear the Moses story is plagiarized and made up
It makes sense why the ancient texts were burned because they contained the true origins of the Bible
Many ancient historians from that time would of been very interested in any accounts from history regardless of where it came from, it was only Diocletian that decreed Christian writings should be burnt but if he did he failed because we still have the bible and, there were historian's that were out of Roman reach like Persia who once ruled Judea . Josephus Antiques contains more information about biblical characters. Early Christians did ban certain writings though, the group called 'the way' (who were later to be called christians) writings were banned. Some of their writings appear among the Dead sea scrolls but they were the Jamesian Christianity not the Pauline version which is why they weren't liked, because their version was more like that of Jesus & James and not Pauls version which won the first Christian scism.
It was all just a scam from the beginning
The difference between a cult and a religion is that in a cult, the guy who knows it's all bullshit is still alive.
@@OsirisNeitsAny religion with ridiculous dogmas is a cult anyway except some rational cults such as Ben Klassen's Creativity and William L. Pierce's Cosmotheism
im sure you came here objective, not with STRONG bias and hatred towards religion, correct?
Oedipus and Moses.
Both sent off as infants because the kind wanted to "harm" them.
Both were raised by royalty, not knowing their true origins.
Both were named after how they were found as infants.
Both interact with a mysterious being in the wilderness. Sphinx, burning bush.Both involved a sort of riddle....
The parallels are too much to ignore
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there are thousands of years of history of the egyptians and masopotamian tribes, this was done frequently in that history. Seeing two stories that are familiar doesnt make them false. Think of modern times, would you discount a story of one family only because other families have done the same?
@@GiIgasmash These aren't stories my neighbors are telling of their grandparents. This is just one example of literary borrowing among many in the Septuigent.
@toddfulton2280 you didn't watch the video then. None of the stories match the septuigent.
I love moses as a kid ... never understood until adult that he raided towns for a tyrant god . I knew something was off especially punishment by snake bites when they whined being thirsty in a desert climate.. the result ,, make an idol of bronze serpent 🐍 to stare at at the bites will stop( magic )
Moses = mars, aries... The god of war...
The number 12 idea comes from the zodiac which has been intertwined with ancient mythology. Within the Hyksos there were people that went by the name "Shasu", these in turn were made of other groups, one of them were the Midianites. The Midianites were said to have come from the land of YHW. Believed to be the followers of the Abraham god. So, it is very possible that this story is true.
Good point. The bible is full of astrology. The Old Testament is about the Age of Aries, which is why we have so many references to rams, lambs, sheep and the blowing of the shofar.
They used the pads on their fingers to count and it ads up to 12.
@@EarthStudent7Abraham taurus and Jesus pisces
Revelation foretells aquarius..
Rather, the zodiac comes from the number 12, the number of months in a year. Obsession with 12 does not imply any astrology. You need actual evidence for the latter, wholly lacking in Judaism.
Proove it.
I cant describe in few words, if any amount, how much I enjoy these videos. And this man is not a BS'er: IN THAT when I look for peer reviewed, scholarly sources to back what MythVision Pod says, its exonerated.
I like this. The truth is in plain sights but children will still want to debate with Adults. Myths are more profound than Realities. Well done.
I think it's safe to say that a base 12 counting system was standard in ancient days. For the reason we still use the dozen. Base 12 is the most intuitive system. Bankers used it te quickly and accurately estimate, before computers, while you were counting on your fingers.
Fundamental terms seem to be lifted straight out of Egypt. This seems to come more from understanding (of language) than from (distant) memory. I'm pretty convinced that Moses refers to the name of the pharaoh's name, as many aspects of that royal court seem to be projected. That's difficult to equate with very late dates.
Often wondered if 12 was based on the giant's 6 fingers on each hand. The original inhabitants.
There is one important trace in the Pentateuch in favour of the Exodus story having a grain of real history in it. It's the prevalence of Egyptian names in the story of Exodus. Aaron, Moses, Merari, Miriam… and more, they're all Egyptian names. So Exodus is a story of "Egyptianized Canaanites" returning to Canaan after centuries of absence. The closest we find in Egyptian historiography is the expulsion of the Hyksos by Ahmose I around 1550 BCE.
It proves that they knew about Egypt. That's it.
Or the expulsion of the remains of the Aten priesthood and other malcontents to settle a buffer state in the Levant.
@@gwynedd1 If so why the writers slapped Egyptian names on what they claimed were Hebrews?
@@gwynedd1 Not really, it goes deeper than that. People tend to use the names of their culture and language. The Egyptian names being used in the Hebrew Bible strongly indicates a deep Egyptian link. After all, Moses is called Moses not...some random name that was actually Hebrew. Unless of course Moses, Aaron etc were Egyptian names so embedded in the Hebrew culture of the time they didnt even consider them foreign. I can't remember the Pharaoh, there was/is a Great Courses course (lol) on Egypt that is free on Audible (at least is was free a few months ago when i listened to it). There is some evidence (according to the actual professor of Egyptology who did the course) that the Pharoah at the time the Hyksos/proto israelites left Egypt did indeed lose his Firstborn Son. So there is that little connecting nugget also.
Bear in mind that Egypt were not the good guys. They were raiders and asskickers. They had been the big boys on the block for millenia. Given the antagonism between Egypt and Canaan/Israel etc, why would they choose to use Egyptian naming conventions? There are not many young Adolfs around outside of Germany these days are there? Unless of course the Egyptian language was deeply embedded in their own culture, for some reason.....
Actually, the Harris Papyrus hints at the proto-Moses story. A rebel called Su united the outcast in PI-Ramses and used mercenaries from Canaan to fight Pharaoh. He paid them by looting Temples. (Melting of the golden calf). But he lost and had to flee north with all his followers.
With less than 1% of ancient documents surviving. It is not surprising nothing extra-biblical relating to a minor people of a minor nation’s history mention anything of an individual from pre-collapse, roughly 1177 BC.
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Third century work of fiction that we are censored from writing anything factual about
"Holy Moses, I have been deceived,
Now the wind has changed direction, and I'll have to leave.
Won't you please excuse my frankness,
But it's not my cup of tea.
Holy Moses, I have been deceived."
-- Elton John and Bernie Taupin
Well done Derek 🎉
Josephus also claimed that the Hykos were early Hebrews in Antiques of the Jews. Archeologists have found things with Semetic names in Avaris.
May Seth/Typhon bless the algorithm.
So a Pharaoh and his whole army was took out by moses calling god to part the red sea ,and the Ancient Egyptians never mentioned this once 😂😂😂😂
No ancient peoples mention their defeats. Even phyrric victories like Megido are triumphant.
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Moses supposes his toeses are roses, but Moses supposes erroneously.
See the work of Robert Graves for the parallels between the Hellenistic and Abrahamic traditions: “The Greek Myths” and “The White Goddess” in particular.
Moses is a Jewish King Arthur.
king arthur was created by a book writer and story teller in the 1100s, moses is a story dating back 4000 years told by religious leaders. Comparing the two shows the foolishness and emotional attachment you have to denying religion and casting as much shade on it as you can. Try being more objective if you want people to care what you have to say.
@@GiIgasmash The story of Moses was invented and written by scribes during the Babylonian captivity in the 6th century BCE. It might have drawn on the oral traditions passed (and distorted) over the Millennium that separated the claimed events and the writers. In this respect it's no different from the story of King Arthur.
The graphics you use are so wonderful. Not only are they great art but also they help me follow the stories. Thanks for being excellent.
If Aaron is the brother of Moses...from which family did he come? Was he from Mose's biological family? If so, how did Moses and Aaron reunite? Or was Aaron from the family of the pharaoh? If so, why would Aaron have any allegiance to the Hebrew God and why would he go against his family? Or was their brotherhood a novel union from their religious covenant with YHWH?
And why did Aaron not get put into a basket of rushes and sent down the river guarded by Miriam? The Egyptians just allowed him to have a normal childhood?
It was portrayed as if he & Miriam were Moses' biological younger siblings & the Egyptians just randomly chose to kill all the male babies, once, just to stick it to the slaves, so Aaron would have been born after this.
Read somewhere that the people loved Miriam most of all. Moses didn't like that.
@@MrChristianDT According to Wiki, Aaron is Moses' older brother.
@@solomonessix6909 Fair enough. It's been a while.
It's weird and off putting that such a bloodthirsty, dyssocial and genocidal mythical character as Moses is seen as a huge hero in 3 major religions. Numbers 31: 13-21 is kind of a horror story, where Moses orders the killing of even captive women and their male infants - and letting the soldiers take the young girls "for themselves" after having killed the rest of their families - while irrationally blaming their people for a plague.
And there is also Exodus 32: 27-29 where Moses commands the Levites among his people to kill their own close family members and neighbours because of religious differences. According to the story he wanted them dead because they believed in and worshipped another God (aka the golden calf), and thus made Moses and his fellow believers and followers "a laughing stock to their enemies''. And after the massacre Moses praised them and said they are blessed for having killed their own brothers and sons
It is weird. When you read the bible with a fresh pair of eyes and see how barbaric it is, especially the Old Testament, it's hard to believe that people still think it is true. The golden calf you mention, is supposed to do with the Age of Taurus. Moses didn't want his followers to worship their old gods or Elohim. He wanted them to focus on Yahweh only in the new Age of Aries. This is why there is so emphasis on rams, lambs, sheep and the blowing of the shofar.
2 Corinthians 3:3 God doesn't write in stone. (Moses might have fibbed)
Doesn't match other times god appears to Adam, Noah, Lot... everyone in person, with their message.
John 5:45, John 6:32, Matthew 16:12
Moses gave you NOT the true bread from heaven, bread is doctrine.
It’s really creepy how this cult started and became “Gods” word it’s rather scary and upsetting
Only a direct reflection on mankind's willingness to go along to get along.
Just be grateful it wasn’t Lord Xenu 😅
Not really. The majority like stories rather than philosophy, the plebeians loved the mythos of heroes and villains, giants and monsters.
They just inserted political ideology into the stories.
Our story tellers / leaders (priests) carry the “blessings of the God’s - they have inherited godliness…pay your entry fee and BE part of the story….praise us and become closer to your heroes”
It’s Fandom, like following Star Wars or Marvel….
@@brandonboulton2776 ... rather humanity's kowtowing to the dictates of might and the sword
Myth can be a motivating force to build a next generation Torah=Instruction Could that be the point? Cultural , Guidebook, Law, Origin all things needed to move forward.
Harvard, Yale, Colombia all found on biblical teachings until Horace Mann was sent to Prussia after that we copied their Degrees and grading systems
The story of Moses occurred in history however all of the details were deliberately reversed in the Holy Bible, in one of the first religious propaganda spin stories, in order to make the monotheists look like the victims and the Egyptians look like the aggressors.
In reality, it was the monotheists who were the aggressors and the Egyptians were the victims.
In the 13th dynasty of Egypt people known by modern historians as the Israelite pharaohs, AKA the hyksos or “shepherd kings”, conquered northern Egypt taking control of its throne for their own purposes.
This foreign occupation lasted for about 300 years until a pharaoh descended of those original conquerors named Amenhetep the 4th tried to force monotheism on the Egyptian population; taking as his new name, one of several aliases, Akhenaten.
For the native Egyptians, who had suffered the machinations of their foreign rulers, this was the last straw. Five Egyptian generals funded by the southern treasury of Egypt launched a military coup and exiled Amenhetep along with his Levitical priesthood.
It was after his expulsion that, realizing he couldn’t work openly anymore, Amenhetep took his last alias - “Moses”; a name truncation derived from one of his relatives named Thutmoses.
From that point, the propaganda of the Holy Bible was written.
Josephus wrote stuff about Moses that isn't in the Bible, he spoke about a military campaign Moses led south of Egypt and that a statue was erected after his victory, some years ago the base of a statue was found by archaeologists in that same place, which is interesting. Josephus said that he got his information in Antiques from texts that he was allowed to take from the Temples library after the conquest of Jerusalem.
Flavius Josephus also wrote about how the Jews were descendants of Indian philosophers. Specifically, from the Brahman caste (chosen caste).
@@EarthStudent7 oh wow, that's interesting! I haven't heard that. I will definitely look into it!
@@EarthStudent7yeah because Jehovah = Shiva. They’re Shaivites.
@@misslayer999 Awesome! There's a great book I'd recommend called Between Jerusalem and Benares edited by Hananya Goodman, that goes into the link between Hinduism and Judaism. Many of the Vedic stories mirror the Old Testament stories, and as I mentioned, it is believed that the Brahmans (chosen caste) created Judaism. In fact, the story of Abraham and Sarah came from the story of Brahma and Saraswati. Voltaire echoed this claim in Ezourvedam in 1760 stating that not only were Brahma and Abraham the same, but that all religions originally came out of India, the cradle of civilization. But it was really Megasthenes who clued us into who the Jews really were and where they originally came from. Megasthenes, an Ionian from Asia Minor, and contemporary of Seleucus Nicator, was charged with several embassies to India, where he spent a number of years between 302 and 288 BCE. His book Indica was one of the chief sources of knowledge about India in the Hellenistic era. He was the first to write about the connection between Judaism and Indian philosophers calling them Calanoi or Ioudaioi in Syria. Aristotle also spoke about them saying that the "Jews are descended (apogonoi) from the Indian philosophers." And Flavius Josephus quotes a passage from Clearchus' Dialogue on Dreams, which recounts what Aristotle said.
And if you can get your hands on a copy of Arumuga Navalar's booklet, The Abolition of the Abuse of Saivism (1868), you'll see how similar these religions really are. Navalar wrote the booklet as a response to the abuses that were imposed on the Indian people by missionaries during the time of Great Britain's brutal colonization. To refute these attacks and abuses, Navalar used his extensive knowledge of the books that compose the Old Testament to show how similar the stories were to his own religion of Saivism (worship of Shiva). And it worked. Many people in the west have no idea what Hinduism is about. It is a closed off religion, much like Judaism. And like Judaism, Hinduism has stood the test of time.
@@misslayer999 I tried to leave a comment, but YT keeps deleting it. So, I'll shorten my response, and hope it sticks! Megasthenes was the first to write about the Indian/Jewish connection around 300 B.C., Aristotle also wrote about it, and Flavius Josephus quoted Aristotle on the matter. Even Voltaire wrote about in 1760, stating that the biblical Abraham and Sarah were actually Brahma and Saraswati. There are some books on the topic, like Between Jerusalem and Benares edited by Hananya Goodman, or Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence by Stephen Knapp.
The song of Deborah is acknowladged by scholars including Finkkestein to have been written during the time if the judges. See Judges 5:2-21 to read the account.
American people: the drawer water
English people: the droah of wo'ah
No Moses!! Then that means no promise land.
Well, no, you have to go back to Abraham for the promised land. Moses just brought tbem back there in the story.
you have to understand Calibrated Analogy to understand why the myths and religion coincide.
Wholly Moses!!!
Ummmm, maybe, Holey Moses?
What this shows is that we can date the Moses story as late as the helenistic period, but it doesn't show that It originated from that time.
Greek influence could have been present throughout the iron age. I would argue that both Jewish and Greek societies were part of the Persian empire, and that intermingling of stories could have happened during that time
I wonder if after the collapse of the current civilization and subsequent rise of the new one millennia from now, if they will look at the ruins of King's Cross Train Station and London City and the remnants of the Christ Church College Dining Hall at Oxford and decide that The Harry Potter Chronicles were historical facts???
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Pattern has it, it will take them thousands of years to figure out it was a fairytale all along.
@@redflag4255 ... only for the minor minority of the very few rational ones... the rest of humanity will continue to believe it and wrangle over it until the next collapse of civilization... until the sun decides it had enough of that.
@@redflag4255 ... only few will figure it out... the rest will continue to believe it until the next cycle of collapse of civilization... well... at least until the sun has had enough.
I can prove it using the jk Rowling scrolls!
Does not the laws contributed to Moses condemn the Israelites from going into someone else’s land and murder, steal, and taken it over? For is that not what they did.
The stealing of Palestine may doom all of us.
Moses is real, they just haven't found his bong yet!
More on the "hero-exposure" tradition, on most of those myths, the person hostile to the child, which is a reigning figure in most of the cases, learns via a prophecy that the child/future child will cause his downfall, reason why he tries to kill the child, who is hidden, and eventually grows up and finally accomplishes the prohecy... it's even the story of Zeus... and, to some extent, the "slaughter of the innocents" in the New Testament is also a reflexe of this tradition.
This is so good that I will have to listen to this 3 or 4 times to absorb it all.
One of your best presentations yet Derek!
Did peasants read the Bible?
Outside of the church, peasants and laborers typically couldn't read in any language or afford books. However, plenty of lay aristocrats and some members of the middle class could read in vernacular languages, and the wealthiest among them were the main target audience for translations of the Bible.
the Bible has always been a scam.
Charlton Heston lol.
@@kaarlimakela3413 classic
"Charlton Heston was real which provides evidence that Moses was real" - someone , probably.
Smokin' hot Moses.
Alexander introduced Greek culture, literature and philosophy to the near east ancient civilizations which alongside Egypt are the place where most of Greek philosophy, literature and culture was based on and heavily influenced.
You did Neal wrong. He was justified with what he said about McClellan. I also don't like your creepy psuedo psychoanalysis you did to Neal about him being a "hey hey" New Yorker. Dan set himself up as the guy calling "balls and strikes". When you do that you need to be open to criticism. Nothing Neal said was false. Idk why you shill for Dan so hard. Oh and saying "why don't you go after Ammon too?" IS a childish argument.
Moses existed, I ran into him in Utah and lent him twenty bills, he spent the night in a cave up in the hills.
I regret that I have but one thumbs down to give.
How on earth do you pronounce Colchis correctly but pronounce Chaldean like chalk, or chew?
Dee-odorus See-cwoolus.
And, sadly, the pronunciation is the best part of this so-called "history". Just complete lunacy...
the Egyptians erased any history that made them look bad. Thus we have no clue what really happened.
It's so obvious the bible is just a compendium of some mythological stories. We wouldn't know when people decided to start following it as law, but we certainly know why: power and control.
How simplistic!
What is obvious?
Would You care to elaborate?
And what do You suggest instead?
@@Rotebuehl1 well, it's really simple, it's a book made by men and used as a weapon to control the masses, or maybe it's just a joke that went too far
When the word Pentateuch was used I gave up.
This was extremely thought-provoking and very well done. I especially appreciated that you put much of this presentation into text on the screen bc that gave me the chance to either pause and read it or take a screenshot of it and paste it into a powerpoint so i can further process and reread it. I also liked Weinfeld's comments that much of Biblical literature has parallels with the ANE but that the national origin stories really don't begin until the Hellenistic period which lends additional weight to believing that the Pentateuch may have been much later than we thought. Good stuff. Consider my mind BLOWN.
Women were wild in the B.C.E. just tossing their babies in baskets and sending them down the river, left-and-right.
A lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack
What blows my mind is NOT THE INVENTION OF MOSES, but that you actually believe that Moses was an invention. Bart Ehrman, is a great Biblical Scholar, but he is not the best person to rely on for interpreting the Scriptures. Even Bart Ehrman, believes that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical figure--based both on the New Testament documents, and other Historical texts outside the Bible (he wrote a whole book on it) Jesus was NOT A MYTH. So, if these claims are true, then what Jesus Said ABOUT MOSES, trumps anything Bart Ehrman believes about a man who lived 3000 years ago. MOST of the information we have about Moses comes from the Old Testament scripture. AND, JESUS GIVES MOSES HISTORICAL CREDENCE, and for that matter, so do all the other Jews who recorded and passed down Historical knowledge about Moses. It is absolutely ludicrous, for Bart Ehrman 3000 years removed from Moses, to claim Moses was an invention. Jesus, after all was 2000 years closer, and so were the Jews before Jesus, who had a vested interest to PRESERVE the teaching of Moses in the Old Testament--their entire society was based on the Law of Moses after all.
Freud said Moses was Akhenaton
Thoth is the ibis god but he is also depicted holding rods around which snakes bearing the Egyptian crowns entwine. Hermes also bears a snake entwined rod: the caduceus. Moses is also depicted with snake-staffs. Thoth invented writing, Hermes the alphabet, Moses the Torah. Moses heals, Thoth is the god of healing. Hermes' Caduceus restores life but it is Asclepius who also bears a snake-staff who is the Greek healer-god. Both Hermes' and Asclepius' snake-staffs were given to them by Apollo who was also a conqueror of serpents.
The lol's of Moses. A divine comedy.
Whoever Moses was, he was conversant with Annunaki technology. This is illustrated by his 'grinding' up the Golden Calf into powder, and making the Israelites drink the potion. He was curing them using monatomic gold.
🤨 ummmm....yeah, sure. Sounds legit - we'll go with that. 😕
@@discontinuedmodel232 we are presently using monatomic gold in nanotechnology; we don't know what ancient cultures did, just yet.
What if like David he wasn't known in his time as Moses? Just saying.
Two fictional characters.
How important was Moses' bride, Zipporah, a daughter of Jethro, a priest in Saudi Arabia?
Im five month off methadone today and 6 years off heroin.
Im also 10 years free of Religion and trying to just find answers in general to life. Maybe thats my problem 😂
Hope you and the family are well 👍
Edited. Isnt it ironic that the most well know person ever, might not of even existed.... Jesus 😂😂
I thought Abraham was the most important guy back then
Abraham came before Moses I think. It's all fiction, but I think that's the basic timeline they are going with.
Once you started promoting Bart Erhman's stuff, then i tuned out your video. If your calculation engine decides to promote that wacko, then what else if your calculation engine deciding?!
One of the problems that people have when it comes to Moshe is really Akhenaten
Yet Moses' first Commandment is "Thou shall not have other Gods before me". Moses says that there are other Gods before his God. In his day and age there were "other Gods" before his God. Other tribes worshipped their own Gods, just like he did. There was more than one God. Moses lived in a world where many tribes worshipped many Gods, but he was selfish. His God was better than other people's God.
Fantastic, as always! I recommended the channel to my buddy this week, so I'm expecting he might have some interesting and complex questions for me next time we have a catch up, lol. 😆👍
To gain such a lock down on society that it would take years upon years to figure out and undo.
It is true that many colonies of the world AT THAT TIME were Egyptian.
Ur first error was mosses did not create miracles, God did it.
You're telling me Luke, skywalker is not real.😅 That's what they'll say two thousand years from now
About that Moses as a baby story. Doesn't the Nile River have crocodiles? That is a great opportunity for some good old-fashioned Biblical BS.
Baby Moses gets attacked by a crocodile but rips the croc's head off then makes a toy rattle out of its teeth.
Moses was real he wasn't a Hebrew though, his story along with Abri were in the Alexarian Library .
I think you are referring to another fictional character from ancient Sumerian text, from which the Jews extracted their legendary Moses story.
@@timhallas4275 pretty much every character in the old testament was taken and made their own, by you know who. the tiny hats)
The old testament was finished in Babylon and red Aloud by Ezra after Darius let the Jews go back to Jerusalem- why not to mention that ???
Ezra recited it by memory. The Samaritans rejected it & only followed the 1st 5 books. Did Ezra make it up?
References to Moses added at a later date.
As far as official history Akhenaten is the most interesting person to ever live IMO
Nah, he messed up with the whole monism Ra thing imo
@@Macfromwales thats one of the most things I love that he did a true revolutionary
One day all religions will join the other great ancient mythologies. Humans are beyond creation myths and stories about gods, ghosts, and demons.
Moses is the gospel, acts , Hebrews, revelations
I can't believe that this meaty meatboy has made himself the most informative and entertaining resource for religious history on the internet. It's making me think that I might be the source of my own problems. I hate it.
Some scholars have noted that there are many "Moses" like figures in the mythology of many of the surrounding older cultures, as are most if not all of the stories in the 'old testament' of the bible.
This is a FACT! Moses was the HUMAN son of ENKI!
Absolutely incredible presentation, Derek! You make a very convincing case. And thanks for citing the ancient historians regarding where these ideas came from.
This is not true. I do not believe that Moses was truthful in his writings, and I do not believe that his God was legitimate, but I know he was a historical figure. Not only is there historical (archeological evidence) proving that he existed, but there is also a corresponding history of Egyptian events that do correspond with the account. You and many others place the Exodus in the wrong part of the timeline.
Moses was found as an infant by young Hatshepsut, and adopted by her stepfather, Thutmose II. It was after Hatshepsut's reign that the Exodus takes place, but not as late as late as Ramses or Ramses II. By the time of the Mernoptah stele, Israel had already conquered Canaan and divided into two kingdoms, which fits the biblical timeline just fine.
If it is true that ancient Israel was once a colony of ancient Egypt it would not be too difficult to prove because, genealogy would reveal a common ancestry origin. However, DNA sequencing tests do not reveal a very close relationship to each other. Indrrd DNA testing actually disproves it. Jews sre more closely related to an Arabic Levant genealogy. Egyptians are more closely related to Anotolians and Afroasiatic lineages of North Africa and the Horn of Africa. There is also some evidence of intermarriage between Egyptians and Nubians. For more on this, look at the Wikipedia pages tiitled Genetic History of Egypt, and Genetic Studies of Jews, particularly the sub-chapter Ancient Israelite DNA.
Ancient Israel never existed, just like Solomon's temple.