Did Nurses Kill Child Abuser Patient? | Chicago Med | MD TV
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2022
- Dr. Choi suspects the nurses of killing his patient when it's revealed he abused one of them as a child.
From Chicago Med Season 4 Episode 13 'Ghosts in the Attic' - Halstead hides the theft of his gun from a suspicious Manning; tensions are still high between Connor and Bekker, who take a risk operating on an HIV-positive patient; Hank breaks down when he sees a patient from his past.
Chicago Med (2015) The doctors and nurses who work at the emergency ward of the Gaffney Chicago Medical Center strive to save the lives of their patients while dealing with personal and interpersonal issues.
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Ethan’s face when Monique told him what that guy did to Hank the nurse, imagine being told that your patient is a child molester and abused someone you work with. Hippocratic oath or not, must be tough. I could never do this job
Yeah, because this happens all the time? LOL! Get a grip. It's a TV show.
I'ma nurse...we can refuse an assignment especially if it will put yourself, your patient, or your license at risk.
@@thickymcghee7681 dude. It can happen in real life. So many different patients come in hospitals everyday God know who they actually are
@@thickymcghee7681 It's real life. In my 45 years as a nurse, I have taken care of many prisoners who were brought to my hospital. It is an unwritten rule that we are never told why they are prisoners because it could affect our care of them. Only once did the guard tell us - and the patient was a child molester. By then he had received "justice" from the other prisoners in the past, so he had the mental capacity of a baby. He received professional care as our patient, but as far as compassion in our hearts - you could probably say that was a different story.
He is a doctor, he has to be professional and not have judgemental thoughts. He has a job to do even if it means saving child molestars, etc.
The main issue is that they took so long to tell Dr Choi so he was left running around not knowing why no one was acting normally.
At the same time, you feel for the nurses. They’re trying to support their friend in their own way, but also keep his secret because it’s not their business to tell. Survivors of SA often have to cope with a massive amount of shame, not to mention the additional stigma around male SA survivors, and it likely took him an immense amount of effort to even tell the women who corralled around him for support. The idea of telling his supervisor - another man - while also coping with the fact that his abuser was not only in the same place, but also that he was responsible for caring for him, touching him, interacting with him… the poor guy was undoubtedly overwhelmed, and the women around him did their best to respect his privacy and his mental and emotional wellbeing for as long as they could.
@@Anurepa Their profession does not allow them the withhold care out of personal reasons. None of them should be nurses. It is disturbing that rampant betrayal of ethics was engaged in by the general nursing staff and nothing was done. If it were me in place of that Doctor the nursing staff would have been brought up on ethics violations and drummed out of the nursing profession permanently. People like that can't be working in a emergency room.... or really ANYWHERE in medicine. Their careers would have effectively been over and their nursing degrees effective turned into toilet paper.
@@Anurepa while all that is true, you gotta admit, all they have to do is tell the boss that there's a personal reason going on and that they are going to need to move the patient to another hospital.
I cannot empathize with SA victims, but it doesn't mean losing your job over this is going to help anyone.
@@tekcomputers if it makes you feel better they are actors, I know this revelation must be hard for you.
The patient abused the poor guy so much when he was a kid that just seeing his abuser again gave him a panic attack. Yeah moral obligations or not, if pressing charges weren't enough to stop a child molester then I can understand the nurses feelings. Glad Karma got to that child abuser in the end
It’s interesting because for me, the nurses killed him. And the examiner knew what happened and got the hint from the doctor in the end.
that wasn't karma, karma would it been 'jail time as the prison bitch", or immobilized for life knowing who did it and why; dead is a escape not a punishment.
As a doctor or nurse, you have to leave your personal feelings out of the equation. If you can't do the job as assigned, then you need to find another job.
For example, a friend was telling me of one of her classmates when she was going to college to be a psychologist.
Said classmate, when having to do supervised counseling to patients, she refused to counsel LGBT on religious basis. She was told that she had to do so as part of the course work or she wouldn't graduate. She was also told that if she dropped and went to another college, that said college would be informed about her aversion.
So, 3 1/2 years into her Masters, she had to change her degree.
It only takes once to scar a child for life.
@@darkopz they didn't kill him, the epi needles were indeed from a previous patient. He died from a theochromacytoma.
"Enough to keep me occupied"
Literally his last words.
What’s most terrifying is that he seems so friendly and normal. If this was another episode, he could have just been some nice piano teacher with heart problems.
it ask for water
@@PreerachatPREEPRAMgood point.
@@viridianacortes9642My grandfather was friendly and normal too. Nobody had a clue about what he was doing to me.
@@Highkey-Loki I’m sorry for what you went through. I hope you heal and have a wonderful life now that you’ve survived all that.
As soon as Ethan realized that there was a conflict and he wouldn’t get optimal care I would have transferred him to a different hospital.
That would be the ethical choice but not the moral choice.
Yeah but you're using logic and stuff doctors/nurses would actually do, these people would have been fired a dozen times over for stuff they do in this show
@@BrunoThePup93 morality is subjective. What is moral for some is immoral for others.
true. also if I were a ch0m0ped and I saw a victim on my medical staff, I would probably go to different hospital.... unless I'm particularly narcistic or sadistic.
Why not a different ward?
I love how all the nurses go after him after his panic attack. It’s the sign of a good team IMO when they are there to support each other and that they drop everything to make sure one of their own is ok. But also can’t imagine how tough it is to see your abuser in your place of work knowing that well not in this case but in another case would’ve walked out
If it were my workplace, it would only to get the gossip sadly.
@@JaxLittles ^^ THIS. Most hospital workplaces, you’ll be crying in a corner by yourself while your fellow nurses just gossip about you
A good workplace? Kill patients on the word of one person? Do you trust your workmates enough to do life in prison for them?
all this nurses should be in jail or losing there job at least there is a reason we have courts and not mob justice you trusting on a person word years after, even with the right procedures we get innocent people in jail
He would be part of the LGBT as love is love right hahaa cant have it both ways haha!! leftist's logic
Dr. Choi did amazing in this situation, you can see he was trying to protect his nurses from getting hurt by this guy by lawsuits/liability issues. He did the autopsy off the books to make sure that if something wasn't wrong, he could help protect April. While at first glance it seems like he is protecting the abuser, he really is protecting his team.
And April is just the worst in this episode. Firstly, Dr. Choi comes up and asks out of concern for the abuse victim what's happening, and she shuts him out! Then, she acts like he knows what this patient did, when she's the one who stopped him from knowing! It's insane to me, because Dr.Choi went above and beyond this episode in terms of ethical duties and professional obligations, and it's treated like he's out of line for thinking a crew of people who were totally cool with mishandling a patient's care to the point of stabbing him with needles, might be responsible for the inexplicable amount of chemicals in his system.
@@lavans5721 I disagree with the first part, she shut him out and didn't tell him because it wasn't for her to tell and she was protecting the male nurse and his privacy
@@Kai-bf3qq except you can't both not tell someone about what's going on, and then get mad that the person doesn't know what's happening???
@@lavans5721 so you want her to violate the privacy of the nurse, or be completely fine with a child molester?
@@Kai-bf3qq said neither of those things, at all. You literally just assumed that of me.
She just shouldn't be angry at Choi. From his perspective, he only knows something's wrong from the nurses treating the patient (he doesn't know is a child molester) horribly, by sticking him purposefully badly. You can either:
a) tell Choi with the permission of the victim nurse, so he understands the situation and can manage it while being fair to the nurses
b) tell him nothing, and not be mad at him when he questions why all the nurses are abusing what seems to him like an innocent person
It’s very illegal and wrong obviously…but my God does it feel good to see it ya know.
Morality and Law are never black and white. Most of the time, everyone can agree that a child abuser doesn't deserve life, or at least free will anymore. Unfortunately, the law protects them from losing their life so vigilante justice is usually the way to go
Agreed
Just illegal.
@@tryxoso2015 but soooo good to see
@@Irishrebel092 been to prison the ones who get dealt with by other inmates are inmates with little time we are separated from things like that child molester some even brag about it in their side which is sick af.
I had to see my abuser several days after he attacked me. I was 10 years old. I felt sick to my stomach and my heart was racing. It’s a horrible horrible feeling 🥹🥹
That must have been so hard. I hope you are doing better now.
Fake
@@lurtzy_ gigachad really wouldn't like you
@Southeastern Hub ❤
i was dating my abuser and i see him at high school every day, it makes me feel so nauseous. i know how you feel 🫂
I like the lead doctor. You can tell he is upset at what he knows and wants to confront the patient, but he puts his feeling aside to do his job when everyone around him cant, it shows true leadership.
I would give that monster the bare minimum treatment.
Yeah, but in some other episodes he definitely lets his feelings win tho, multiple times too. Seems like he is just a little bit okay with child molestation. Because why would he harass Nurse April like that.
@@foolslayer9416 You aren't legally able to do that.
@@wintersbabyy He didn't harass her. No one told him what was going on, as far as he knew they wern't giving him care because they just didnt want to.
@@poopstick2711 Clearly you have never seen the show. He knows how seriously April takes her job so he knows she would never refuse care to any patient for no reason. He is just always a douche in every episode, especially to her.
The people commenting on the ethics of this seem to have mistaken this for a documentary. It’s a fictional show where the bad guy gets what he deserves. It’s a temporary escape in a world where justice for victims is a rarity.
I think it's important to have discussions about ethics, because we encounter ethical dilemmas in our real lives that we need to be able to work through.
On the other hand, that is a good point; it's nice to watch a show where the bad guy gets punished to get some escape from the real world.
You seem to forget alot of these episodes are based on real life events. If you dont want part of the discussion then you're free to ignore it and go else where. Otherwise I think it's important for people to have mature conversations on these topics because that how we as people learn.
@@seishin2900 I’ll stay right here thanks 😊
Any comment on here is someone’s opinion and part of a discussion. Disagreeing with a comment and sharing that is healthy and how we learn. If you aren’t capable of that, I’d advise you to follow your own advice and either ignore it or go elsewhere.
it's not all fictional tho...things like these do happen I bet. More so, the justice system is flawed either way in reality and in shows.
@@valned3776 says the one incapable of continuing a valid argument they don’t want to discuss, because they disagree.
Not to be rude, just making an observation, u seem to have contradicted yourself, because this person genuinely wanted to have a conversation about theirs and your opinion.
Dorris was definitely stabbing him 😂😂😂
Ikr
As she should 😌🏆
I love her. I wish she had more of a story.
I swear
@@ry.butterfly No.
This is such a tough spot for healthcare professionals. Especially when the victim is a coworker you care about, it’s hard to remove your feelings and remember that you as his doctor or nurse are not the judge of his past transgressions. You are there to offer him the adequate amount of care. That is it.
If I’m being honest with myself, I could never be a nurse for a lot of reasons, but this one is the most difficult. I would probably magically go deaf and blind when that man coded. “I need a glass of water.” “Oh look, it’s time for my lunch break!”
I would probably just admit conflict of interest and get someone else to care for him.
@@eileensnow6153that’s why you shouldn’t be a doctor, some people will shine in this area you will shine in another job (I just realised how passive aggressive this sounds I’m sorry it’s definitely not aggressive 😂)
@@wow-11N6a29 haha it’s okay, you’re right and I agree. It’s always good to know your own limitations!
It’s been a year but I want to remind you that YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM
The male nurse did great acting u can see the fear in his eyes
agreed, it's underrated
his red, pasty face when he said "enough to keep me occupied" wouldve sent me over the edge having known what that doctor knew at that point...
"Im a piano teacher" he happened to not mention the amazing fact that his identical twin who lived three doors down the road also taught piano to young boys .
😂 oops
I actually thought, "what if this isn't the right guy?" hahah OOPS indeed!
"I'm honestly surprised I can get business after they put my uncle on that registry."
What
As a nurse I'm with Dr. Choi. At the very least I would've told the head nurse (or doctor if asked) that for personal reasons I feel unable to provide the adequate care.
All of them should be fired, all of them, and take their license away.
I agree and they should be fired..I'm a nurse and we have a job to do and it's our ethics to follow
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Doctor and nurses have to help everyone. Whether it's a mass shooter or a child molester. They don't get to pick and choose who they want to help. It's not a job for everyone.
@@scottmc1855 it... does work like that... of course not in a "this patient is annoying so I refuse" but if you can give a good reason (knowing his victim personally, affecting you emotionally ect. as long as you don't just... ignore it like the nurses did here) your superiors should have your back.
It's a bit of a gray area legally because you don't have the history yourself but a sensible superior who remembers nurses are always understaffed isn't gonna fire you off you are reasonable.
@@machazychaz - Yes, in certain circumstances a nurse or doctor can have themselves removed from a situation. And generally speaking a good boss would work with their employees and find a solution if it's available. But when every nurse refuses to help a patient in need... there is no alternative. Therefore, refusing the help a patient in need would be criminal.
The lady nurses comforting the male nurse that was scared was nice. Trauma sucks.
I know that feeling. I worked at a fast food restaurant and I had to talk to my abuser (a regular customer). It’s a horrible gut wrenching feeling. He lives in the same town as me unfortunately. When I see him out in public I walk the other way.
I'm so sorry that you have to go through this ❤ I'm sending you so much love!
Some day you will be healed enough to tell your story to the town and the whole world if you want it. I know you will. it might not be soon, but you will. Stay strong, and get out of that town when you're able, if that's something you think will help.
I'm so sorry!
You handled his food and nothing happened to him?? Lmaoo. So many good people here. I hope my abuser never let’s his guard down around me, I’m not as nice as y’all are.
You handled his food and nothing happened to him?? Lmaoo. So many good people here. I hope my abuser never let’s his guard down around me, I’m not as nice as y’all are.
Unfortunately when you take an oath especially in the medical field you have to put patient care above your feelings. Even murders are supposed to be treated decently.
It’s funny how we pick and choose who gets the right to humane treatment. 😂😂
@@reesaallen5474 treat humane people humanely. Let the abusers be neglected. Sounds fair to me
Medical feel?
@@ry.butterfly, then you become no better than the abuser. so if you let someone die because you refused to help, for example, you then because just as heinous as the person you hated and open yourself up to others treating you the same. Always remember karma follows us. If you live on hate, then it comes back to you.
@@craigclermond8001 You know this is BS and yet you spout it
As someone whose abusers never got what they deserved watching this is so satisfying.
I'm sorry for your suffering. The legal system definitely needs to be looked at again, but with cases like Johnny Depp and Amber Heard I can somewhat see why some victims aren't taken seriously.
@@12SlimJims that's not exactly a good example:
Not only domestic violence cases are different from child abuse cases, the Depp v heard trial had an extreme slur and disinformation campain, led by the masculinists fans of Depp, that heavily influenced the outcome of the trial.
This...🤦🏻♀️
Mine never got what they deserved. I doubt they ever will.
@@tobiaswalker7562 Because it "never happened" and they "don't remember" anything...😤
There was a similar case on law and order. Poor kid was traumatized even as an adult.
Yes you never get over it
It’s never leaves you. Even the name can trigger panic attacks/full on breakdowns in some victims.
In that episode the kid actually became a child molester himself
@@TheKarateDivaone of the best episodes
which episode was?@@TheKarateDiva
Geez I know it's fictional but as a nursing student it makes me wonder how I'd react in a situation like this. I suppose it's similar to how lawyers feel when they have to "defend" horrible people? Like it's their job. Sure you can turn down the task and have someone else do it if you're that uncomfortable but at the end of the day all patients need care. This just gets me choked up though
Lawyers can't be good lawyers if they're good, honest people.
@@IkesPimpHand that didn't make any sense. try again.
Retired nurse here with 45 years experience. Normally you are not told what the prisoner did to be incarcerated because it could affect his care. However, once we were told by the guard and the patient was a convicted child molester. He had the mental capacity of a baby by then because in the past the other prisoners delivered their own form of justice. While he received professional care, you can guess what we felt in our hearts. Like you said, we can refuse to accept a patient if there is some extenuating circumstance, or conflict of interest, but it gets tricky if no one wants to care for the patient. This is not the only scenario in which this type of conflict can happen. If such a conflict arises, your hospital will probably have someone who can help resolve it, such as a hospital chaplain, social worker or someone on the ethics committee. Or have the staff talk it out with your manager. Good luck in your studies - it is a wonderful profession in spite of all the difficult situations you may encounter.
@Rai They’re saying that lawyers, in general, are crooked. That you can’t be a good person and a lawyer at the same time.
@@IkesPimpHand I asked my lawyer how they could defend certain people. He said they have to believe their clients. This lawyer was a real pitbull in court, but I also know he didn’t tolerate being lied to and cut ties with one of his clients for that reason.
This is why I can’t work in the medical field, I would’ve done everything in my power to make sure he doesn’t leave that building in one piece
Same. I don’t think we are bad people. We aren’t weak enough to have mercy on monsters.
@@TheIsopod06Mercy isn’t weakness. That’s a dangerous to think. Mercy is why Humanity is still around.
@@TheIsopod06no, if you want to hurt someone for any reason something is wrong with you
@@aaronjames3228no.. absolutely not. its perfectly normal to want to harm a child abuser, unless you yourself are a child abuser
@@xachperkins4842 oh please. Just because someone can think logically and not let their emotions take control doesn't mean they are a child abuser. So ignorant
Choi is the only doctor in this show that follows medical ethics
If the patient (who clearly deserved what he got) did in fact pass "naturally", then.. Can someone who watched the full episode explain to me why there was 4 epi's in the trash? Still seems suspicious.
He did pass naturally, the Epi was from another patient and wasn’t cleared out, it’s a red flag for the entire episode
Could of been other epi pens from other patients and the doctors threw them away in the same trash which led up to 4
I see.. so the nurses still weren't really doing their jobs correctly since they didn't log those 3 (most likely not, but potentially life threatening) uses of epi's.
@@chairle9303 red flag or red herring?
@@pucamisc damn I knew that wasn’t the right one
Sadly child abuse has been swept under the rug in my life
Me too my teacher that beat me with a book and blackmail me and i was just 5 years old
@@victorferreira8332 I kind of had that same scenario except mine were in Middle School believe it or not both 6 and 7th grade
But on a real note it happened in elementary school too so that's a given but in my case I was transferred from one school to the next like a hot potato
I'm sorry to hear that 😥
I hope you're doing well nowadays, with your loved ones close by.
God bless you and your future, it will be brighter. You're here for a reason.
I can’t believe they didn’t immediately tell him what was going on. It’s his patient he has a right to know why no one will help him
I get what you mean but at the same time, it was a serious matter, the nurse team only knew because they were there when the nurse had the mental breakdown after seeing his old instructor again. I do think they should’ve told him but I understand why none felt it was their right to. Even the nurse he did ask about it told him to ask someone else since it wasn’t suppose to be her business or her pain to share
It wasn't their story to tell.
@@ry.butterfly My thoughts exactly. Especially since sometimes, people don't want others to know what happened to them... People look at you and treat you differently... Or sometimes you're just not ready to face your trauma, or the questions that'll come with you revealing it... Sometimes revealing it unwillingly (even willingly) rehashes everything and can seriously damage mental health.
It's why it's encouraged for people to tell others their own time if they want (assuming the crime isn't ongoing or in investigation of course).
I think they didn't want to tell him, cause they knew he would react the way he did. Tell them to follow the code.
It’s a tv show
I love the "I can't find anything"
"look one more time please"
*1/2 second later*
"Found it"
My mother had lung surgery. The pathologist said she had cancer. The doctor said check it again. Turns out she had lipoid pneumonia from vomiting mineral oil, and some of it she aspirated into her lungs. Glad the surgeon told the pathologist to check it again.
i loved the fact that all the nurses were go after the abuser. true friendship lmfaooo
It’s still not right in their workplace. They could have really hurt him and he could sue
@@jackinthebox9730blah blah blah
@@chloemariestrudel1311wow what a very mature and thought provoking response thank you
Super weird to see people in this comment section defending this guy so much. 30 years and plenty of students, who knows how many lives he must have ruined, but HIS must be protected? He got away scot-free, too.
You have no sense of the implications of allowing doctors to pick and choose who they provide care to.
In real life, what if this wasn’t even the right guy, and this cult of nurses kills him deliberately? Is that the kind of precedent you want to set?
It’s more of the sense of medical practice and the nurses deliberately near borderline breaking the Hippocratic oath. Dude was horrible no doubt but still on the medical side of things all those nurses should be reprimanded for their actions against a patient either be pure or evil it’s their job
@@r00k9 nurses dont take the oath but it doesnt who it is, they have a duty to provide care
If Adolf himself came into the hospital, you still gotta provide medical care
@@AnvilMAn603 where are you getting... nurses don't take the oath?
according to the American Nurses Association, they do.
I thought the doctor didnt care about the nurse but when he talked to the monster patient you could tell he was disgusted
Why didn’t they say anything when the doctor first asked??? It could have saved a lot of trouble
For the drama. Gets viewers curious about what's going on, and keeps them watching long enough for the reveal.
@@Eventidesis fair enough. But, surely, there has to be a way to do that without making nurses behave like secretive, petty school girls (no offense the actors, they did amazing).
@@kalypsobrooks6843 Yep, I agree. They should've minded their own business. If wanting to take revenge against the abuser was an option, let the victim do it. Why should the coworkers suddenly become Batman wannabes and administer their own "justice?" Yes, the guy was a horrible human, being, but the nurses have a job to do. Either give the proper amount of care or quit.
@@Ermac97 … I was thinking more in terms of police report and investigation into how he treats his other students, but that’s also an option - takes longer, and leaves room for more damage, but sure
@@kalypsobrooks6843 Of course, there's a way. The directors just don't want to. And, really, it's not the first time the characters have made immoral/unethical choices with refusal to communicate; viewers still enjoy the show, irrespective of the drama, so why bother changing it?
0:12 226 over 117?! As a guy who is dealing with Vegetative-vascular dystonia and hypertension I've gotten after Covid-19, that's one of my worst nightmares. Even 150 over 95 gets me all nauseous, but what he has... Damn.
mines usually anywere from 120/80 to 150/120, its a bad diastolic but not terrible, that systolic though... over 180 is bad bad
My ex used to get high BPs like that. You couldn't even tell until he developed a migraine from it. He was 200/150 and insisted on driving home. It's crazy.
My normal is 125/80 to 130/80 at morning and 130/85 to 140/85 in the evening. I check my BP every day twice and has done so since beginning of March, ever since I was discharged from hospital. Normally, my BP doesn't give me problems, but since Covid and after it, I've also developed a case of meteopathy. In short, if a weather decides to play whack, my organism plays whack, and yesterday it nearly made me throw up...
covid doesn't give you that. the vaccines do along with foot long bloodclots
if it was that rate the pt would not be relaxed ,sat in a trolley, they'd be in extreme distress, clawing at their clothing and clutching their sides , possibly a lowered gcs and sweating, perhaps some dystopia.
If I had the opportunity, I’d take it too. This is why I work at a supermarket 😂
Same this is why I WONT go into the medical field like the majority of my family
Lol not everyone pretending that a potential child molester patient is the only reason they didn’t go to medical school for 8 years
@@JazzFlop212 lol a child on the internet thinking making assumptions is funny
It's one thing to talk about killing someone but actually doing it is another...
As a nurse that works with the lowest of the low, I have to admit it takes a very special kind of person to work with this population. It most definitely is not for everyone, however we, as medical professionals took a Hippocratic oath to do no harm. Do these folks deserve it? Not up to me to decide. What is even more tragic is someone not making it through on my watch to give victims families the right to see the perpetrator answer for their crime and finally seek Justice for their loved one.
I'm no doctor or any kind of medical officer or nurse and I'm not medically educated. I just know that I must do my job and I must do it right. But what happens if the client I'm working for/with is my SA? I'm in a bit of a mental pinch. My SA died peacefully while I have to live with the fact that I trusted him and he put his hands all over me and damaged me beyond repair. On a professional standpoint, regardless of who he is, I should still serve/work for him. But on a personal level, I feel like I want to projectile-shoot my vomit straight to his face. It's a double-edged sword, in a way.
if the past 3 years proved, they disobey their oath. They made people violate their beliefs and forced them do things without their approval
@@tsaligrass like what?
@@moe5020 the clot shot and obey authortarin mandates for the scamdepmic
@@moe5020 passing laws that violate 1st amdendment like michiagan law that makes it worse then misdemeanor for misgender someone
All of this would’ve been avoided if they had just informed the doctor of what was going on from the get go. There was zero point in keeping him in the dark for something like this
Or, hear me out, tell the doc, "its something personal, so we need to move him to a different hospital...please"
This here is why I’m glad I couldn’t be a doctor. No oath will protect that man from my wrath.
You seem to be the only clear thinking person in the comment section
@@ianfortuna9385 sarcasm??
@@wintersbabyy no dead serious everyone else is defending child molesters even though it’s “their job” its everyone moral obligation to punish child molesters and anyone who negates that duty cannot consider themselves a good citizen
@@ianfortuna9385 You speak like a naive child. The doctors in this situation have no idea whether he even is a molester and it's not their job too judge him. Without order society breaks down if you allow people to just punish people based on their own feelings without due process and critical thinking then innocent people will be hurt, this goes double for Doctors, they swear oaths for a reason because their role in society is too important to be associated with the mess of crime or politics. If the courts decide to put a guilty patient on death row after thats fine but while in hospital the only duty the doctors have is keeping them alive
@@ianfortuna9385 do you live in a fairytale? you can't go around killing people because of past events
This show has that sweet 2000s - early 2010s aura, lighting and background soundtracks did the trick. Will definitely watch as I miss those years
This show began in 2015. But you were close.
I’m a former unit secretary/coordinator for a floor in a hospital and a patient murdered one of our nurses brothers and only received 6 years it was awful. She didn’t treat him but it was hard for him she cried the entire shift.
This still doesn't explain why there was FOUR pens in the disposal ben...
Probably from a different patient
I do understand where the nurses are coming from but they do have to be professional no matter what the patient has done or is doing. The nurse has an ethical and humane profession and as such needs to extend that to every patient that comes under their care.
Legally speaking, a nurse or a doctor, on an individual level, can refuse to treat a patient if emotional hindrance comes into play. If a nurse/doctor doesn't want to help a patient because he's a child molester, they can refuse to help. But they have to sign a document stating that this nurse/doctor stating why they refuse to help, and agree that they are not to be let anywhere near the patient and can't even enter the room. They'll simply be reassigned to another patient. As for the patient themselves, they'll either be assigned a new doctor or sent to another hospital.
It's to prevent any conflict of interest and any real malpractice that could come about if a nurse/doctor has their judgement impaired due to emotions. Like what we saw from that one nurse who deliberately stabbed the guy with the needle while trying to draw blood. She obviously did that on purpose and should of been dismissed or terminated on the spot.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl that's understandable for Hank but for the other nurses they had no right to do what they did. I get they're mad that the guy hurt their friend but as we saw with one nurse she was almost in trouble for possibly killing the patient. If the Dr hadn't insisted that the doctor in the morgue look closer it could have ended badly for her.
@@RogueMustangMare It's not just the victim of the guys actions; literally any doctor/nurse can sign a document saying they are refusing to treat a certain patient because they don't like them. As long as it's not an actual prejudice like racism or homophobia, they can drop out of helping a patient for any reason.
This whole thing could of been avoided if Dr. Choi had simply gotten the nurses to sign reassignment papers. Or better yet just left them alone when they made it clear they didn't want to help the guy and found others who would.
My dad is a murderer in Ely state prison. Solitary, he had prostate cancer, 12 years later he is still breathing and stubbornly was cured. I wish I had the nurses tending to him. He may be alive but unhappy and that's enough for me
The look on Choi's face at 5:02 is the "if i didn't have a career that i cared about you would be a bloody mess on the ground right now" look.
I just love how the nurses sticked together despite the ethical and moral issues with it 😂
Those ladies went to bat for him. I would have done the same damn thing no shame.
It's will the medical industry is going to sh*t. I assume you'd also tell a person who didn't get a vacc they deserve to die also. Now I know people aren't perfect, but when you dont have medical standards, you open the doctor to human rights abuses which makes you not much better than the person you condemn. I agree to have your friends back, but they should have removed the traumatized nurse from the floor, not decided to play god with the patient's life.
@@craigclermond8001 patients who choose to reject treatment also choose the consequences. Yes, if you get sick after purposefully refusing the only current treatment, you put the consequences of disease and even death on yourself. It’s no one’s fault but yours.
@@Creepystalker102 point is the vacc doesn't stop you from getting sick or treat anything, so your point has no validity. Just a big pharma spouge to make money.
Also, I agree if a person gets sick and dies, that's their choice. Thats is very different from a doctor choosing to let them die simply because he didn't like their decision. Ultimately the point I'm making is professionals have a higher standard than street joes.
Everyone has their reasons for doing things. I'll bet you wouldn't tell a cancer patient they should die because they declined chemo.
@@Creepystalker102 How's that relevant or to say, to the point?
@@craigclermond8001 are you comparing an anti-vaxxer to a pdf file
It feels so nice to see someone get what they deserve though
If a Nurse let my abuser die, I'd be on their side and I'd make sure they didnt get fired. Hippocratic oath be damned
Cool cool cool so she gets to be Judge Jury and Executioner.
I partially disagree. If someone is so willing to throw out the ethics and ideals behind the Hippocratic Oath, especially due to personal bias (be it deserved or not), then they never really wanted to be a doctor in the first place, and they need to either leave or be removed from the occupation. Also, no offense, but you would stand no chance of actually keeping this nurse on the hospital’s employ. Now, that being said, if this happened, you and I would both be supporting this nurse, not for making the right ethical choice, but the right moral one…
This is why you're not a physician lmao
@@CXY96 this is exactly why I'm not a physician lol
As much as it’s deserved, one person isn’t worth ur license being terminated. The medical field isn’t your ideal choice if you won’t put ur patients first over your feelings. While ur safety is also important, if someone dies because of you, that’s your fault and you don’t deserve to stay with ur license and job. That’s why careers like this are extremely stressful for the people that can’t handle extreme cases like molestation. It’s fine to feel angry. But if you’re gonna let anger make u kill a patient that was assigned to you, you’re a hazard in that work place
Man DK is truly a good guy. He’s not some just punk who races in Tokyo. He’s a leader.
This is why it is so important for a team to share with each other and trust each other. In an ER you need that bond in those hard times. What that poor character went through, people who do that don’t deserve to die because that is a release, but they definitely don’t deserve to live free or protected. Can’t find a body if there isn’t one to find.
They could've avoided the whole ordeal if they had just told Dr. Choi in the beginning.
it took dr. choi to go around nurses asking for WHY instead of any of the nurses coming forward and saying because we're discriminating him because our friend A got a bad history with him.
it's not because he's just a child molester but because he's a child molester that has a history with one of the nurses.
it became a personal thing after knowing that, but if he's unaffiliated with anyone, they would've treated him normally.
Choi is the head doctor he should know why his nurses aren’t effectively testing his patient
You’re making an assumption. If they’d found out he was a CM through other means, I’m sure the outcome would’ve been the same. I HOPE it would’ve been the same….
@@BMarie774it wouldn’t have as in the medical field, you have to treat them no matter what
Are you the writer? When do we have a new episode? No. Then stop making assumptions. I believe they would've acted the same.
Choi is in the right here, it does not matter the circumstances that occurred in the past, keep the nurse he molested out of the room, it is their job to render care to no matter who
They can literally have their license revoked for refusing to serve treatment
@@pulacascar179 Healthcare workers can have a right to refuse care if they have been abused by a patient and also a couple of other exceptions. The patient is just transferred to a different care provider. You don't want a practitioner to begrudgingly work on a patient, because that runs the risk of the patient receiving second-rate healthcare. However, you can't refuse treatment if the situation is an emergency (as an EMT, I am not allowed to refuse to do CPR on a patient for any reason). Medical shows are awesome because they inspire people to work in the field, but they often relay extremely simplified processes to actual healthcare practice. This situation is dramatized, the nurse would simply not come in contact with the patient for the remainder of their treatment, and any nurse that treated the patient differently because of the situation would also likely be asked not to give care for the safety of the patient.
@@pulacascar179 Doctors fire their patients all the time. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from. Doctors do not have an obligation to treat a specific patient at the patients request.
@@darkopz they can fire them if they want to. But they can’t promise treatment or not refuse treatment on paper and then suddenly refuse treating the patient
@@Samy-oz1gg All of the nurses were refusing to do any kind of care for this patient. That is something that can't be tolerated.
I would have notified hospital administration of the issue and let their legal team iron it out.
Not sure if it makes me a psychopath that if I was a nurse or doctor I'd have no problems treating the guy but soon as I'm off the clock and catch him in the streets he'd go missing 🤷🏽♂️
"Enough to keep me occupied" got a whole new meaning in this 💀💀
As a nurse, this folks would've gotten written up
This is why my mom refused to let me or my sisters have any private lessons in anything. Tutoring, swimming, singing... It was always under her watch. It felt a little suffocating back then, but now I fully understand why she did it and I couldn't be happier. You simply can't trust people to take care of your babies. It's a sad, disgusting world we live in.
God bless your mother.
I’m not a nurse, but I cannot honestly say that I would have treated that guy better if I were. People like that don’t deserve compassion and moralistic care.
But you're happy to take their money.
No one who sexually abuses a child should go unpunished under Law,
but with that is a legal system--including a Court of Justice. We shouldn't aim to live in a world where one accusation leads to conviction.
Believe all women period.
@@jayoh360 The issue with that is that it implies guilt based on a claim which can lead to injustice some of the time.
We have a Court system for a reason;
to institute justice and not convict those who aren't guilty of the offence.
@@iannewton3820 i totally agree i was honestly just trolling. Most those 'metoo' movements are completely asinine especially with all the cases we have had that were proven later to be fabricated.
I agree with Ethan. It's just not our right. As medical staff, they have to do their jobs. No matter who they're dealing with.
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All the people that disagree with you just straight up shouldn’t be in the medical field
It's not in the hospital's hands to determine someone's fate, even if they're horrible. The nerve on these nurses would've goten them fired on any reputable hospital
I don't know why I am watching medical drama clips as someone in the medical field? A little part of me dies inside every time they do something wrong in the medical shows.
it's a show
I tell myself I'm studying by identifying everything wrong and what they should be doing instead
"Or don't bother clocking back in" Only in shows like this a doctor has power to "fired" a nurse or say something like this and don't get un trouble.
That has been my biggest fear being in nursing, because we can not choose our patients.
I get the nurses’ feelings, but that type of behavior opens them all up to lawsuits and only leads to them losing their jobs and the abuser getting a huge payday.
I have friends who work in Law Enforcements. When they have to guard inmates that are on hospital visits, no one outside of the institution can know about the crimes that they committed for this very reason. Many people can get very emotional and let that dictate their actions. It could be the medical team or other patients and people nearby who were victims or know of any victims of those crimes. Thankfully the team in this show worked together and had an understanding.
We could look it up. I worked at a hospital that had a state inmate floor.
We knew what they did.
We could look up their photo and info and next parole date. All that info is easily accessed. It’s public info.
Here, in Australia, its a breach of the prisoners rights to tell anyone what they did - The rule has nothing to do with quality of health care should the crime be revealed.
"It's not our job to judge." But those whose job it is tend to ignore or fail at it. So where does that leave people who were wronged? A faulty justice system should be held accountable as well. Don't blame people for seeking their own justice, when they are failed by the same society that is supposed to protect them.
Still not our job to do some one else's for them. It's too easy to justify denying care to someone if you think you're morally in the right. There's entire groups of people unjustly being call child molesters in the media right now, some zealot misdescribing them could bring about this exact scenario. THAT'S why it's not our place to judge. No to protect the monsters, but the innocent who get mistaken for them.
No. There’s so many things wrong with what you just said. What if someone was wrongly accused or mistaken for someone else? Then you just killed or harmed an innocent person. It’s unprofessional to say the least and extremely dangerous to have that mindset. I understand where you’re coming from, but when it is quite literally your job, absolutely not. Outside of work if something happened to him, I couldn’t gaf
If this happened to me I would of told my supervisors I would like to transfer to a different patient due to personal matters and it could interfere with treatment.
My scalpel would've "slipped"
Bruh, just call Hank Voight, he'd handle it for you.
😝
Lmfao I love voight.
My abuser committed suicide many many years after the assault without ever having to Answer for what he did to me and countless others and yes there are others he abused. I suffered in silence for so long it messed with me mentally. I was 7 at the time and he was 16. His mom helped cover up the abuse. Being my mom’s best friend and my babysitter I was always left alone with him. Whenever she found out what he was doing to me she brainwashed me into believing I’d get in trouble not him. After a year of abuse and she finding out I wasn’t only one she hauled ass out of the state we lived in. Nothing was done about what he did to us girls. I found out some years ago that he’d committed suicide and honestly I’m more angry that he took the cowardly way out.
I can’t imagine the types of monsters that do the crime and then other monsters that defend them. I hope you’re able to heal
This is TV I totally get it but it's scary the ppl who say this is justified irl... You are nurse/Dr you are not a judge you don't know full stories & not you're job to do any of that. You treat patients equally it's the oath you take & should be taken seriously
Exactly. Putting aside the ethics involved, if he'd lived, they'd have put the whole hospital at risk for legal ramifications. Incredibly unprofessional.
They should have informed the doctor and if they couldn't reasonably provide care to the patient, they should have informed the doctor of that as well and allowed him to find someone who could.
I don't know what I would do if I had come across my abuser while I was working in a hospital. I hope I wouldn't do anything that would get me arrested, but I'm sure I'd be tempted.
I'd stand up for you.
Great episode. But did Hanks parents not tell the other parents what happened?! I can't imagine he would have many students if they told everybody idk.
Maybe they did but they weren't believed.
Or Hank told them but they didn't believe him.
Or....Hank never told them for fear of what would happen
Back in a time when you didn’t speak about abuse. You didn’t want others to know.
The second it was a conflict of interest he should have been transferred. Doctors and nurses have 0 right to put ANYTHING above patient care, safety and rights. Keeping him there presented a clear and present risk.
I’m surprised there wasn’t a push to get Hank to contact other parents to warn them about him, maybe even get police involved. But this is a hospital drama, not police drama.
He deserved what he got
Doctors and nurses are people too. Why do they not have the right to put morality and ethics above the job they had to swear to uphold ethics and morality on?
@@strangerinastrangeland3613 they’re the ones that chose the job either treat the patient you’re given or quit
@@strangerinastrangeland3613 Because they have the right to not be on the team, but not the right to actively interfere in care. Particularly in academic medical centers which typically get medicaid funding, breaking EMTALA as these nurses did can result in massive fines and removal of government funding. I say this as a healthcare provider who is an SA survivor myself.
This is exactly why I became a doctor. I've done the epi trick six times already.
Kudos to all the nurses!
Sadly you don’t get it and I’m a nurse.
Yea deliberately hurting a patient
@@jackinthebox9730He deserved it lmao
I can related to this episode a tad bit. I'm a healthcare worker and I work with all kinds of people. One time, I was taking a pretty talkative prisoner to his tests and he outright admitted to me that he molested minors and basically bragged about it. He was outright disgusting but I put that aside because its not my job to judge him. My job is to get him medical care. Even if you're a prisoner, no matter what you have done, you are still a patient like everyone else. I couldn't stand the guy, but that's just how it is. Imo, Ethan should have requested to have him moved to a different department because it was clear that the nurses were against him. In reality, April and Doris would have been fired too
Ethan has his own hang ups. He would let his own biases affect his treatment of patient as well. I believe he has I can’t remember exactly but I’m pretty sure he has.
I'm pretty sure too. I remember an episode where he was annoyed by a woman who had her baby right outside the hospital, which later had the police involved. But in this case Ethan told the patient what to tell the police to save her from being arrested.
As a survivor. Good job from the nurses would be happy to be in that team
I'm a survivor as well and They could have chose NOT to care for him. If you can't separate your own feelings from your job don't be a fucking nurse!
Drchoi is a awesome person stay safe yall.
I love MadTV. They always have some real comedic skits.
😂😂😂
What a coincidence the guy had a rare condition that explained away his sudden death. But that still doesn't explain the four empty ampules in the trash... And for people not working in the medical field, it's probably difficult to understand just how unethical the nurses' behavior was. Bottom line, it doesn't matter who your patient is, you treat them all the same. The minute you make an exception it becomes easier to do it again and then again, and soon you have people being treated differently due to differences in race, religion, political ideology, etc... I don't know any real hospital unit that would have tolerated an entire nursing staff ignoring a doctor's order and patient the way they did, if only for the obvious legal exposure. In the end, you don't have to like the guy, you don't even have to be pleasant -- just professional.
What's worse is the nurses wouldn't tell Ethan anything. They're like nah, we're going to give you the cold shoulder, too.
Yeah all these nurses would’ve been fired for ethical violations
Quite the ethical quandary. I wouldn't blame someone either way, for not wanting to treat him or upholding their hippocratic oath. I know it's technically wrong, but I honestly wouldn't blame someone for euthanizing a child molester. In my eyes, you cannot possibly go lower than harming a child.
Hey Ethan. Nurses don’t draw blood! Call the phlebotomist.
They do in ER
I still think the nurses did it. They hated that man.
How do you know it wasnt hank who did it just saying
I’d buy whoever did it dinner. Child predators deserve to be put down like mad dogs. Life is too good for that filth
@@courtneywimberley5250 Hank left early
And they're absolutely right.
It would be morally wrong to help that monster, saving his life would lead to more hurt innocents, the justice system failed, and sometimes you have to help society.
It is true that you're supposed to treat every patient but people have been murdered for considerably less.
I’d rather lose my job.
I love watching this show, love the cast great job!!❤❤
I can’t continue watching the show because of Dr. Manning
and that is why nurses can legally decline to care for a pt
I wish patient care was a thing now. Now ER docs are so mean & some nurses too. I have sickle cell disease. It's rare to get a good physician nowadays.
And no tears were shed
My abuser offed himself when I and a few other kids came forward, thank god, but I absolutely understand that poor man’s reaction. If I even meet someone with the same name or a similar face, or acts similar, I flip. Bless everyone in there for taking that man’s side immediately, I don’t know if I could still work with that patient if I knew he did something like that to anyone, and that’s one of many reasons I’m not a nurse. Bare minimum is too good for some of these people. Time to watch some Chris Hansen and make myself feel better 😂
Doctors and nurses helped both sides during WW2, as bad as it is they have took an oath to help them medically. You dont have to like them but you still have to help them
That doctor was so unprofessional to assume the nurse had something to do with patient’s death. He has now lost all the trust and respect of the nurses on that floor. If it was real life .
You seemingly forgot how the nurses themselves were unprofessional. Taking care of child molesters sucks, but it is part of their job. Those nurses can never be trusted to be impartial again and that doctor will always have to question their ethics.
@@skrinkladueit shouldn't be. Not without police suoervision, that is.
Keep up your hard work MD TV
*Dorris:* "he has small veins so the blood draw is difficult, it's not like I'm just trying to stab him"
*Dr Choi:* _"dorris you are using a fucking ice pick"_
What a lucky break or the mastermind got to the medical examiner first, I'm not judging game recognizes game, I play way to much hitman