Tough Call | Omega Speedmaster PRO vs. REDUCED vs. SPECIAL EDITION
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- We can all agree there are way too many Omega Speedmasters out there. However, the age old question of which one is right for you can be tough to answer and you can go a life time without finding the right fit. Today, we compare my 3 favorite speedies. The professional vs. the reduced/automatic vs. the 1957 reissue special edition. Watch to the end because the answer has a twist.
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7:40 you got that bracelet too early, it now comes with an adjustable clasp
The Speedmaster Reduced was the watch that reclaimed the model for what it was originally intended: motor racing. The Professional got stuck in the moon.
They do live off the moon bragging rights. Despite Bulova doing the same thing
@@cliveyboyb5770😂😂😂
@@cliveyboyb5770 Assuming they really went to the moon. Otherwise, the bragging rights would be limited to Area 51. ;)
As an owner of the Reduced, I thank you for the review. I wear it on a Nato, on a rubber strap in summers, on a leather band if I have to be formal, and on its original bracelet if I don't. It packs a lot of a watch in its small case. It is an eye-picker and a story-teller. What more to love? This piece will surely stay in my collection. I had to service it once, after I had bought it aftermarket, and the price tag for the service was not pleasant but... It has been so good after that.
The reduced is such a nice fit!
What did the service cost?
650€ in a local SAT in Spain and 900€ in the Oficial Omega@@jeffh903
I feel like people who can't appreciate the Reduced are the same kind of people who said the 308 wasn't a real Ferrari because they had a Testarossa poster in their bedroom.
I love both watches and cars and there are closed minded snobs in both.
A great watch is a great watch regardless.
the 57 has always been my favorite, but you took it to a new level. That is stunning! great idea.
Thanks Michael, really loving this new combo 😍
3861 speedmaster professional for me. Love the manual wind , solid caseback and hesalite.
Plus super comfortable bracelet.
I'm quite fond of your channel! 💯 Great content without the unnecessary snobiety. 🔥
Over the last 90 days I have owned the following:
861 Speedmaster Moonwatch 1985
MK40 Speedmaster Triple Date
Speedmaster Alaska Edition
With a heavy heart, i have flipped the first 2 to fund another core piece in my 3-4 piece lineup and declared the Alaska Edition as a true keeper. So yeah, special edition is my vote across the three! 😀
Thank you for this video! Two years later, but i'm eyeing an SE ref: 3594.50. This helped me make my choice.
The 57 is simply amazing. Even more so with the new bracelet. Well done!
It's still my fav 😍
oh there is a "perfect" speedmaster .. the OG one, and easy call would be a Cal 321 "Ed White" IF you can find one for under $22K! or sell all 3 and get one. I would.
I have had the Speedmaster Reduced Automatic Date in blue (1993 model) since 2011 and I've worn it everyday since. It's a great watch which now finally needs a service after 11 years as it losing minutes a day in time. I love this watch! One day I'll look to get a Speedmaster Pro for my birth year, but for now this is all I need.
You have my birthyear model that I'm looking to buy!
I am not particularly a fan of the Omega Speedmaster because chronograph is not my style of watch, but I understand why so many of us watch enthusiasts love them. The one I prefer is the "regular" Moonwatch Professionnal.
You can't go wrong with the basic Moonwatch!
Bought the broad arrow because of this video and its uniqueness.
You got great voice as well as the pace and wording of your narration.
Thank you for breaking it down. I had no idea about the different variations of the speedy. I am in the market for a moonwatch and I’m excited when the day gets here!
Incase you get the hesalite. Just get a super thin 0.1mm self healing soft TPU film... invisible, cheap and no more scratches and polishing.
Best regards
🙂
Another awesome video. The '57 on the new bracelet, thats choice. I choose that as my favorite
It all worked out Kyle, I'm happy as a peach 😁
Good video.
I have had the reduced and a few pro Speedmasters and loved them all . The ETA movement in the reduced is very easy to get parts for and serviced. I now have the pro and wear it 24 hours a day. I have other high end automatics and always go for the Speedy.
It's such a focused watch. It's got the looks, the story, and the reliability. What else can you ask for 👍
@@WatchCrunchOfficial waterresistance... So I went with Tudor BB Chrono in steel. Ive been eyeing the 3594 for a long time, but then Tudor happened 🤷♂️
I definitely like the 3861 as my favourite
I also like the steel bezel on the ‘57 reissue. That’s why I modded my 1863 sapphire sandwich to use that bezel. I have it on Forstner Komfit bracelet, I think it looks fantastic. I don’t think I will ever go back to the original black bezel.
Nicely done Max! Love your work, the camera angles demand a greater recognition. Thanks for sharing. Love the 3 variants you showcased...I'd have to go with the newer 3861, but that 1957 reissue is so so nice with the new bracelet! Goes to show that Omega listened and made changes.
Thanks ED, you must be a photographer, understanding light has been the biggest lesson 👍
@@WatchCrunchOfficial haha yes I am.
I like the new 3861, it feels substantial
Great video, I have two speedys both dates, 39mm. One is two tone and the other is reverse panda. I like the dial configuration of mine which is why I own them.
Those speedy dates are great value Bill 👍
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For me, the choice would be a no-brainer. A 321, 861 or 1861 with hesalite only. Thanks for this video!
For me it was an easy call. Ive owned the hessalite before and dont want the heartbreak anymore of the awful scratches. And on my 21 cm wrist the reduced is not an option. Ended buying the sapphire sandwich browndial and absolutely love it. But if you have a small wrist then the reduced is a fantastic value prop!
There are very cheap and invisible super thin 0.1mm self healing soft TPU film for hesalite now.
Best regards
Love your channel!
I have a 1861 pro, and the 60th anniversary speedmaster based on the ck2915. I think thats the way to go. Not the biggest fan of the reduced with the wide spaced dials. The 3861 bracelet is really nice 👍
Nice, you have the one with the straight lugs right? It's hawt 🔥
You have exactly my grail. That broad arrow reissue case with the 3861 bracelet. Class!
Great minds think alike 😉👍
That’s really a tough one… I have quite a large wrist and I like big watches, so I’m not afraid by the size of the Speedmaster Professional. However, I just can’t stand manual winding, I just have too much ADHD to remember to wind it regularly. I come from a digital background, so I really need a watch that will keep working as long as I’m wearing it. That’s why I tend to prefer Automatic watches… but the Reduced is smaller, I just wish they would have a Professional that looks just like it does now, but with an automatic movement… that’s it, that would be perfect for me. I’m afraid that if I buy a Reduced, I will always think that I didn’t got the big brother watch.
Great to see the Broad Arrow getting some love!! The #BroadArrowBrigade is strong!
Hell yeah, let's paint the town red 👍
Yes I rock a new 3861 sapphire sandwich, love at first sight , thinking leather or nato soonish but love the polished bits in the bracelet it comes with… no regerts 😂 on this one
Hope you changed your mind and kept all of them in the end
Oh 65 hours that’s great news , peeps argue about the crystal but I’m not going to the moon anytime soon and I get to admire that beautiful 3861 movement any time
It must have been a difficult decision Max but I think you made the correct choice in trimming down the collection, not sure which one I would have gone for but to be honest they are all so good you would always be left with a fantastic watch. It will be interesting to see where you focus those extra funds raised from the sale but if you stay with Omega the 39.5mm Planet Ocean would be make for an interesting review. Great stuff mate and sorry I'm late again to the party 😂
Hey Morgan! You are the epitome of a watch minimalist and I envy you 😉. The PO has always been interesting to me, especially after seeing it on Jeremy Clarkson.
Next you should do a PRO vs.
REDUX vs. SE vs. SWATCH video.
I would definitely sell the Reduced. I was never a fan of the movement or the placement of the pushers in relation to the crown. When I was looking for a smaller Speedy I looked at the Reduced and quickly looked at one of the smaller Japanese versions. I ended up going with a 3511.50.
Hi Max!
Brilliant review, need you advice on the Speedy.
I've always wanted the Speedmaster for it's apollo history. However, it doesn't look the best on my skinny wrist. I am quite impressed by the 38mm but can it actually be called the moonwatch too?
I like the reduced because my wrist is smaller at 175 mm circumference, and I don't like the lugs to extend out past the edge of my wrist.
Hi, Max!
I am still thinking about 38 mm Navitimer and...by this reason, for me, comfortable size is reduced Speedy.
Thank you for your nice video!
The reduced is a darling 😍
Just got a new speedmaster:) loving all your quality content
I’m so glad I stumbled across this video. I’ve debated between the Pro and that exact same Broad Arrow for a while now. It was great to see the bracelet swap too. Does it bother you that the Broad Arrow’s dial is not as black as the Pro’s?
Thanks Steve. It used to bother me, but realize that vintage speedies will get more grey, so I think that was a design choice.
I was thinking the same thing.
Likewise, The broad arrow would look amazing with the pro black bezel imo.
Don’t get me wrong, I love it as it is too.
I've never been attracted to the speedmaster (or chronos for that matter) but yesterday I tried on the new model at the AD an just wow. what a cool watch! and it sits pretty well in my small 16.5 cm wrist (albeit a touch big). now I'm really considering getting one! 👍
Yeah my problem exactly, the pro was always too big, but I didn't realize how much was in the bracelet!
@@WatchCrunchOfficial yes! the bracelet design is great. would love to see more brands use female end links. I think I'll be skipping on this one finally, while the antimagnetism and coaxial movement are great specs, it's a bit expensive for what it is imo. great watch nonetheless!
Yes it has to be seen in the flesh. The dial is just beautiful. Bracelet so comfortable.
If you pick hesalite, get a super thin 0.1mm soft self healing TPU film... no more scratches and polishing.
Best regards
The reduced is the best one for you my friend. That fit and proportion is just perfect
I want to get the reduced. I think it looks better than the others. My only worry is the ever increasing service costs.
How much are we talking for service costs?
Is it more difficult to service compared to the speedy pro?
@@JAnth93 in the uk between 600-900 are the prices I’ve found.
I’ve actually just bought a Speedmaster pro sapphire sandwich. After trying both on I went for a new one. The 42mm wears around the same size as my blackbay 38 on my wrist.
@@tajtahmeena8635 yea. I think they built the chronograph movements on top of the other movements so there is way more parts and it’s much harder to service.
I would love to have the professional but personally not a fan of manual wind I might be the only one who doesn’t like manual wind so if rather have the automatic reduced
Genius move adding the new bracelet to the 57. That would be my choice as well.
Thanks kelvin! I was happy with the result 👍
That Mitsukoshi is 🔥. So does the wrist workout really work?
Haha, the effect seems delayed ;)
Can you please let me know if the new bracelet is fitting perfectly or there is slightly larger gaps? or bracelet is sitting lower/higher? I’m trying to buy new bracelet and putting it on my sapphire sandwich.
It's pretty close, I say it leaves less gap than the original bracelet on my 1957
Thanks for the video. I like the old flat design of bracelets. I wish they would reintroduce that. All the new bracelets look the same to me, big and bulky, like they could be on a cheap timex. That is just my personal taste though.
The 3861 bracelets are not chunky at all. Try them in person they look and feel very refined. Best regards
@@Mega-zi7ys thanks I'll give it a try. I meant the look of it though. I like the flatness of the old style.
Love the broad arrow but wish it was 42mm like the Pro
😍 Pro for the bracelet, too bad you are not in Singapore I would really consider buy it from you 😂
That new 3861 is legit 👍
How do the new bracelet endlinks fit on the 3594.50? Is it a perfect fit or there is some wiggle? Great content!
My first speedy was the reduced like yours then I graduated to the Pro. I would love to have the broad arrow someday. The reduced was great but to small for my taste.
My first speedy was a 3510.....I sold it to fund another watch.... later I picked up a 3539.50..hated the chunkier bracelet.....threw it on an Uncle Seiko Mexican Holzer bracelet..... perfection.... I'm done now.
It's all about finding the right speedy for you👍
Nice video! I would keep all of them!
Haha, let me shake the money tree 🌴
@@WatchCrunchOfficial i understand you, but if I really had to let go one, it would be the SE. I love the Pro and the Reduced. As a matter fact, I have finally got my reduced and you helped in my decision. After watching your video, I pulled the trigger!
Perfect video once again! I currently own a FOIS but sometimes I feel it's a bit too thick for its relatively small size which normally would be perfect for my smaller wrists. What do you think, should I buy a reduced again?
Thanks Mathieu! I'm afraid I've never had the pleasure of wearing a fois. What kind of bracelet do you have on it? I've seen a mesh one that looks quite good and might give it some hefty to balance it out. The fois still a more "serious" speedy but you can't argue with the fit of the reduced 👍
@@WatchCrunchOfficial I have an Omega 1125 bracelet on it which is really nice and matches the vintage look. Only downside is that the bracelet is completely brushed while the fois has some polished edges and you clearly notice the bracelet wasn't meant for the watch although the endlinks fit perfectly. I know uncle seiko and Forstner make some amazing bracelets for this (especially the latter has a really true to the past flat link bracelet)
Saludos, el mio es el speedmaster reduced , perfecto tamaño para mi muñeca . Todos son muy bonitos felicitaciones por sus omegas
I had a similar scenario. I bought an 1861, but thought it was too big, then bought an FOIS, but longed for the Speedmaster Pro. So I bought a vintage 861. I realized it was the bracelet of the 1861 that I didn't like.
What a journey! Does the 861 have a stepped dial?
@@WatchCrunchOfficial It doesn't, but I do love a stepped or pie-pan dial. I guess I'll have to get a 3861, too ;).
Actually, maybe it does have a slopped pie-pan dial. Hard to tell if it's just the distortion of the hesalite.
The moonwatch is my dream watch, i hope one day i will be able to buy one.
i still like the original black dial one the most such a powerful lookin watch gonna fk around and get me one
Nice video. The 57 is v nice esp on the new bracelet. One other option to flag for those with smaller wrists is the Speedy Racing 40mm. Splits the difference between the reduced and the pro in terms of size, and has a proper co-axial automatic chronograph movement not a chrono module like the reduced. Quite a few different dial options too.
Yes, I do like the racing, it's just the case back is kind thick 🍑
I like the special edition broad arrow the most, however I would not buy that watch. I would always go for the original design combined with new features, such as the open and better movement in the latest model.
🤣🤣the opening scene was hilarious.
Haha, glad you liked the stupid antics
All of the above
Good choice Dave 👍😎
Keep all three😃. Loving the channel
Great video bro! Love the wrist exercises too!
Haha, thanks Michael! I wanna wear a panerai with confidence when I grow up.
I just got the 3861 in hezalite. I love this watch so much. I highly recommend it
Great choice Ruben! They nailed the update 👌
Put a super thin 0.1mm self healing soft TPU film and no more scratches and polishing... it's invisible too.
I just got the 3861, and it's perfection. It's really not that big at all. I even have small wrists and can't imagine how small the reduced would feel.
The 3861 was a highlight of my 2021 👍
Beautiful watch, doesn't feel like jewelry and no bling. Comfortable bracelet. Love it!
Great video. The Speedmaster Reduced was my first "luxury" watch, bought 20 years ago at the AD. I was young and the nice sales guy must have shown the watch a dozen times before it could afford it. It was the right size, almost 17cm wrist, and budget options at the time. I built a great collection after that but kept trying the professional moonwatch over the years and it felt bulky with those protruding end-links. Not the 3861, it is spot on. I have a sapphire version on hold at the AD but can't seem to take the plunge. Is it a step forward or backward? Is it going to be reminiscent of getting the reduced 20 years ago, or a renovated experience? Is this the goldilocks Speedmaster? Anyway, watch enthusiast intricacies. Cheers watch gang.
I feel like the new 3861 is a refinement instead of a departure, so I would certainly choose that over the reduced money no object 👍
3:37 this resets so fast! Super neato. 🤓
Great combo, I love the '57! What do you think of the newer '57 co-axial 321.10.42.50.01.001? I'd love a video on that one. You make great content, thanks!
Speedmaster “Racing”? They have some interesting dial combinations.
@HAUTE ONES I am just recently looking into the Speedmaster Reduced. Do you think the 3539 is worth the extra premium over the 3510?
Where did you get the faded bezel for your reduced?????
Deffinetly made the right choice in my opinion
Thanks! I finally feel like I have the right speedy for me👍
If I had to get a speed master, it would be the reduced as an automatic movement is much more convenient for me
To me it’s the Pro all the way! Why go for anything less when you can have the “one” and since you already own it it’s not even a question of being able to afford it!
Very true, the pro is the one and done deal.
@@WatchCrunchOfficial yeah! 🙂
Keep ‘em all! Great video again. I knew about Marui but not the Mitsukoshi dial, very interesting! Now looking at the bracelet of 1861 it’s definitely less sophisticated than the one with 3861.
With the reduced, have you had to bring it over to Nesbit and get it serviced? I’m curious if it’d cost more than professional.
Cheers!
Thanks Kenny! Yes the reduced would be an extra couple hundred to service unfortunately
Hi Max,
As a first watch purchase would you recommend the Speedmaster reduced or the Black Bay 36 where the BB would be brand new and the reduced from the used market?
They cost roughly the same where the BB 36 probably is around $ 400 more.
Appreciate your thoughts!
I think if you like the BB design, it's probably a better built watch
@@WatchCrunchOfficial Yes I think it looks pretty cool tbh! But my dream watch has always been a speedmaster, so will probably land in the collection at some point in my life. However at the moment unattainable.
Was just wondering whether I should settle for the reduced in the meantime.
Thanks for your input!
great review. thank you.
all 3 pieces are beautiful. but if i had to choose?. it would be the MoonWatch. love everything about it. but find the bracelet a little too loose. as if it were worn for many years (like the old rolex bracelets). saggy and flimsy !!. or did OMEGA purposely design it this way to prevent pinching the skin and pulling hair ???. really wondering about that.
Should try the new 3861 bracelet, it's has a lot less play
What model is the 57 with broad arrows?
YOU GOT IT! That Broad Arrow is Sweet! I own this too & it is THEE Best Speedmaster out there. That New Co-Axial is O.K. but Omega Ruined the Dial by Dumbing it Down to less hash-marks per-second! I have the Old-Style Bracelet, which is tapered to 16mm & has the old friction lock & it has NEVER Failed me. That bracelet is very Unique because the contours are The Same outside & in. You can buy re-makes of the old style Omega CK2915 FlatLink bracelets from A Kat called UNCLE SEIKO. I have a couple & they are nice & light for this watch. That Broad Arrow dial is SOOOO Sexy & it doesn't have that Stupid Fautina that Omega has become so Enamoured of. I also have the reduced Auto, the Sapphire Version & i'm KEEPING them Both.
You got great taste Bruce! Thanks for the recommendations on the bracelets!
Keep the one with the steel bezel…limited edition and not everyone has it
I want to get the 1957 50yr anniversary that is a Sapphire Sandwich & put the new SS Bracelet on it...Where do I buy that Authentic Omega Bracelet?? AD??
Awesome review my frend !!!
Appreciate you buddy 👍
I have my eye on the newer reduced without the minute markers - 3539.50
It's a cool watch, wish it had a hesalite version. Sapphire speedies don't do it for me.
May not factor in for everybody, but the Speedmaster Automatic has 2 to 3 times the water resistance of the Professional.
I really enjoy your videos! I'm trying to get on your level. What camera are you using if you don't mind?
I use Sony full frame cameras with GM and sigma lenses
Great tips for the bracelet combo on the Broad Arrow - great idea!! How much was the 3861 bracelet?
He said $700
can u only get the new bracelet thru AD??
For someone that has small wrists like me i would choose the reduced. I like the pro better but sadly it doesn't fit me that great. I also love the look of the bracelet on the reduced. Although the movement is not great. I sold my 1861 professional last year and bought a 38mm co-axial instead. I am thinking of buying the new 3861 sapphire version to add to the collection because it looks amazing
So many speedies to choose from 😅. I think you'd enjoy the upgrade from the 38 to the new pro. It sits much flatter on the wrist!
@@WatchCrunchOfficial if i buy the 3861 sapphire i would still keep my 38 co-axial though.
I might not be a moonwatch but it sure has presence on the wrist. I like it alot!
@@thefwenkmeister972 you ever bought the 3861? How does it fit you? How big / circumfrence is your wrist?
Currently thinking about buying my first one (3539.50 or 3861)…
i own the 3861and my wrist is 16;5 - 17 cm it fits great due to the bracelet
@@falschgedenkt9086
Love it
Hi great video. Where did you order new bracelet from and what are the part number ( brushed steel). Thanks ak
I would give the omega AD a call and they can look up the right one for you. I got the one with the polished center links
If you have a special edition, that has to be the clearly winner. The new bracelet ads more charisma to it. Bit if you're new in this collecting business, the new 3861 gives you more than any previous versions except the special editions.
Is the triple date Mk40 not considered a Speedmaster ?..
57 for me. I have blue face/red hand model. I also own 3861 SS Speedy Pro. 57 gets the win.
I've always thought about a reduced. The case dimensions are sexy as hell. 38 x 12 x 45 or thereabout. Currently own a FOIS on a uncle seiko flatlink. What do you think Max? Stay with the FOIS or get a reduced?
Tough call, but I would keep the FOIS because it's a more "serious" speedy. But if you are really itching, my one of a kind reduced is for sale 😉
@@WatchCrunchOfficial Still for sale ?
I’ll have the 3861 Heselite😃
Can't go wrong with that👍
Put a super thin self healing soft TPU film and no more scratches and polishing. Invisible too.
Best regards
What size is your wrist for reference?
Is the Pro 3861 bracelet interchangeble with the Pro 1861?
Yes and it's great!
You lost me at"space exploration"😂😂😂
I’d stick with the 57’ on the new bracelet and the reduced!
The 1957 combo is really tickling my fancy right now 😎
The moment I tried on the Pro I knew it wasn’t for me. I’ll be going reduced.
None of them. Oh I love my Speedmaster, it's just not one of these. I went for the previous version (with a Hesalite crystal) with a leather strap and a deployment buckle. Rare, out of production, classic, and got a great price on it. How could I say no?
As far as I'm concerned, there's no bad speedmaster 😁