The Problem with Moxxie X Millie
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they actually plan on solving the Millie problem next season shes planned to have her own episode
Hopefully they fix Millie for the not guaranteed season 2🤞🏿
@@killjoy30011 how do you know?
@@AlexMartinez-dl9xi they've talked about Millie getting her own episode in a little more character development in the second season on that live streams for the autograph signings
OH ! He is ?? didn't know
“the problem is Millie”
*raises bludgeon like Ferb in Fabulous*
“She’s not developed enough”
*lowers bludgeon and nods in agreement*
i cannot emphasize enough how i love this comment.
"not yet ferb."
my exact thoughts
Me tho!!!
Ur way too attached to this character- I think Ik what the problem was- even when u chose to watch this
I'm 98% sure they trapped Millie in the basement with a bear trap because she would have immediately killed striker
So lazy writing
Yeah and the scene before that (and in episode 1) I feel that they nerfed her somewhat
@@illosovic why is that lazy? Plenty of shows write powerful characters out of conflicts to make it more challenging, it’s contrived, yes, but even some of the greatest animated shows ever have done the exact same thing
They probably just wanted to have the Blitzo and Moxie vs Striker scenes
Contrivances aren’t bad or lazy, but they should still work with the character and be unnoticeable, it’s a balance. So while I agree that it isn’t done well, I don’t think slapping “lazy” on it is particularly fair or helpful.
For me the main problem is that Millie already has pretty much all she wants in the status quo. She likes her job. She likes her boss. She likes her husband. She... tolerates Loona. There's nothing to drive her, except when those things are put in danger. But that means that she will forever protect the status quo, which makes it hard to get excited about any story focused on her.
I guess the soultion is to put those things into question
@@animavestra7563 That works for me.
so probably the status quo has to change in a permanent way and we can see if and how Millie adapts.
It would also be wonderful to see a series that actually changes things instead of going back to the status quo without learning any kind of lesson just because it's easier.
@@wisteria3032 to be fair this _is_ mostly an episodic series, so returning to the status quo is probably just part of it
@@louise4152 I really hope that's not the case and we can see actual grow for all the characters. I want to treat it as a whole story, not just something where it doesn't matter which episode you watch cause you can't tell when it happened anyway.
I’d actually love to see a Stolas and Millie episode.
A: Stolas needs to see a healthy couple for once in his sheltered life and Millie a bit more stable then Moxxie. Also Moxxie probably wouldn’t be able to act casual around someone of Stolas’s stature, while Millie proved at Ozzie’s that she can.
2: They both seem to have been raised to value the demon hierarchy. Millie seems to not see Loona like she sees other imps and demons.
And seeing the way Stolas unknowingly treats imps, she could be given a new perspective on herself. And Stolas could learn to respect even the lowest born imps, given that Millie is literally a farm girl.
I also think the dynamic would be hilarious.
Edit: I just realized I said A and 2. Not going to change it, but wow.
stolas doesn't even treat imps badly he just doesn't think about what he says
@@themagicalonionfairy7455 that's... that's what they said
"How he unknowingly treats imps"
He doesn't think about what he says, and sometimes he treats imps badly because of that
Uh... Are you shipping stolas and Millie.. ?
@@loveloveranposillyguy OH MY GOSH NO I’M SO SORRY IF IT CAME OFF THAT WAY.
I am not shipping them. I just think an episode based around the two of them would be good.
@@lolli_popples oh like an friendship?
Millie has less content because she wasn't part of the story originally. Helluva Boss was supposed to be part if Hazbin Hotel but got split into a spin off for multiple reasons. Millie was made to fill out the cast, but most of the story for season 1 has already been written. Hopefully season 2 gives her some spotlight
That makes sense, and does leave me a little impressed they worked her in this well, but I definitely agree she needs some spotlight in season 2.
i thought that was loona? like a last minute addition or some shit.
@@OmegaTacoz I'd say Loona as well. She rarely gets screentime apart from episode 3
@@OmegaTacoz it was both of them, loona and Millie were added to round out the cast.
Ah, so it was originally the blitzo and moxie show until they decided to have millie and loona
Millie needs her own episode.
*character. One episode aint gonna suddenly undo all previous episodes
@@illosovic it could give more depth to her actions and dialogue from the previous episodes
@@clammmin3098 or it could have had depth in the first place
“Hey, Millie! Where were you?”
Nowhere, really…
“That’s not your blood, right?”
Nope! Nothing really!
“Blitz, why are you SILENT?”
B: I was here WITH YOU!
XD
Agreed , this character is now so poorly developped that she now needs a whole ep to be at least not a "i'm only the badass lovely gf" anymore
I think it's obvious that the writers felt that Moxxie and Blitzo were the characters that needed the most development. It makes a lot of sense, Moxxie is madly in love with Millie and vise versa, but Moxxie is insecure and feels he needs to prove himself. Not EVERY character can have inner demons that need to be vanquished all at once. The show needs more time to flesh out Millie, but I think what they've given us so far is more than we deserve in terms of story telling from an independent RUclips cartoon...
I agree, sometimes even if a character is flawed it doesn't make them fleshed out. In my opinion it is pretty impressive to make such a good character that has their life in order, but I'll still be waiting for that Millie episode!
Ohooo daha ne kadar bekliycez
I feel this way towards a lot of “badass women” in shows.
People love them but they never really click with me because, like you said, there’s a lot of shiny action scenes and badass moments, but not enough character.
(And while not in this case) I get really bothered that a lot of “badass women” are rarely allowed to show vulnerability, awkwardness, silliness, and personal wants and needs.
It’s like fragile masculinity. It’s as if one second of any non-badass trait/action instantly destroys the whole character.
Thanks for letting me rant
Forreal. I mean every female character in this show doesn't really do or say much outside of their connection to a male character. Even stolas's daughter and loonie only really had a Convo about stolas. Haven't seen a single meaningful moments of her and her mother. All we see of the wife of stolas is her bitching at him and hating him. I haven't even seen them TALK at all yet.
We didn’t let you rant you just walked into the theatre, kicked the actors off the stage and yelled
And I’m all for it, BRING ON THE RAGE
@minaashido518 it's not letting me read more on your comment, summary plz?
@@averagegordonenjoyer3141 after the gap, they said "And I'm all for it, BRING ON THE RAGE"
I’ll admit, I did fall into the trap of “Oh Hell No is this man criticizing the one wholesome thing here” at first, but honestly, he’s got a point. Milli needs more screen time and development
Oddly enough, I was kinda worried that they were going to complain that it isn’t gay and that moxie should be with Blitzo. (Yes that's an actual mindset, Twitter be crazy u know.)
@@purplepaps3622 yeah same to both of you. I love the couple but it is upsetting they don’t get as much screen time. I’d love to see Millie have an episode focused on her. I don’t think we’ll get it for the finale obviously (that’s gonna be focusing on Blitzø) but season 2 is in the works!!
I hope maybe if Helluva Boss does get a second season, there should be more episodes focusing on the main female characters, Millie as well as Loona. Which let's be honest, they are most underutilized.
Well maybe there’s not a lot to really work with because from what we know she lived on her parents farm her whole life with no formal education(if hell even has one)But with the living on the farm her whole life it would make sense because of how overwhelming excited she is when they go anywhere,so properly like I said just not much to work with other than a how they met story,perhaps she ran off with Moxxie and that’s why her parents hate him.I just really like them together because they are just perfect for each other and love each other for who they are
@@itsblitz4437 Loona seems to be getting it soon, that sneak peak makes me anxious she's gonna get hurt considering she always kept to herself with no friends...
I’m hoping Millie gets more development in season 2, it feels like everyone got at least a little development except her
I heard a rumor that Millie might be getting a song in Season 2, so fingers crossed.
@@cassie6146 Who said that?
@@IcyDiamond I heard it from a second-hand account of a stream, so take it with a grain of salt.
@@IcyDiamond Probably some streams of Vivzie and the voice actors.
As you know most of the Canon facts of the characters of Hazbin Hotel come both from the Pilot, Comics and Song or little details in the background, the official Instagram account and the Live made by the cast.
Probably it was in some live.
@@IcyDiamond you cant handle the Millie
Millie seems to have a competitive streak. Her mom said she got too rough in the pain games, so she can't play anymore. I think evolving on that could make a great episode! Maybe she teams up with Loona on a job, and she keeps trying to take over. Loona barly gets any hits in because Millie turns it into a contest. She could then learn that if she wants to be part of a team she can't take all the glory. It would also be nice to see her develop a friendship with Loona after that. I'd love to see an episode where she got developed a bit more.
Hey that's a nice idea actually!
@@louise4152ikr!!
@Ciara L I like your profile pic
ehh maybe but i was thinking about when she met chaz or before she met moxxie
The problem with Millie is that fact of how overwhelmingly confident she is in general. She's basically a character that's ALREADY developed and doesn't seem to have many if any insecurities. The other characters have problems and trauma and insecurities to write story moments off of. However Millie is pretty straight forward so far. Grew up with her big family that was supportive and loving of her and she developed into a close quarters badass. She met Moxxie, got married. Parents weren't very approving of Moxxie but that seems to be more Moxxie's problem than Millie's cuz Millie has the confidence to tell them to piss off. She's a rather flat character on paper and so far only relies on her adorableness, charisma, and badassery to be a character. Until we get some more information she's unfortunately gonna remain that way. Maybe there will come a time where Moxxie actually starts to catch up and do more of the protecting because she can't take a hit. Something might happen where she is potentially fatally injured and Moxxie finally goes beast mode and she starts feeling weak and unreliable. It starts affecting her work. It starts affecting her marriage. Maybe it spirals out of control a bit.
Maybe we’ll get a Millie episode in season 2
I liked the idea another comment presented. That you see how quickly she goes berserk when Moxie is in danger: maybe there is some deep fear or prior experience that drives her to such desperate feelings when her partner is in danger.
The show could also play up her overconfidence as a flaw.
Anyway about it, would to see more Millie centric episodes and character building!
@@Semicolon42 but the question still stands: was she a virgin before she met moxxie
@@DOTMDeath nothing in the show bring up her prior virginity.
I'd be more interested in learning more about her relationship with her parents or Sallie May, the power dynamic between her and Moxxie, push-me-pull-you relationship with Loona, how she got so badass, her anger issues, etc.
BITXH THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS WITH MILLIE
"Millie wasn't originally planned to be in this show" That doesn't matter. She IS in this show so she NEEDS to be fleshed out. No excuses
I agree, but her development will probably need to be in like a second season, because the episodes were already planned out before they added Luna and Millie. It does suck having them have limited development
@@dopaminevamp399 Luna still got development though.
@@die5el150 Very minor development. We got to see some personality from her, but not really much else. At least based on the ep about her crushing on the hellhound dude. It could have been that that ep was just easier to change a bit. I dunno
In dc, the Joker was only meant to be a one time low-time villain. Now look. Great characters need great development and Millie is one of them
@@jazquartzyou can't compare the Joker to Millie. The Joker was introduced 70 years ago! Helluva Boss will last max 5 years.
At least we know that Millie gets her own song in the next season (Viv confirmed it, I remember), so hopefully that's a sign that she'll get more depth as a character. She deserves it, she and Moxxie are really adorable together, and if Moxxie can be a complete character even without Millie, so can she.
Oh that is good to hear!
Yes!
I wonder if the tone of the song is going to be a complete 180 when compared to her husband's songs.
Edit: like a combat ballad or some shit.
That's good to hear! If that's the case then I presume Viv is going to pull a Tuca but with Millie.
What I mean by that is that in Tuca and Bertie, the first season was mainly focused on Bertie while Tuca was just very surface level, much like Millie. She was just the generic best friends character.
But then in the second season, she got a lot more focus and they fleshed out her character. They put a spotlight on her family and her insecurities.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A SECOND SEASON? HELL YEA!
Millie & Loona are accessory secondary characters, but sometimes they feel like tertiary figurants.
I just see Loona as a fetish character for guys with furry & goth chick fetishes.
I can only suppose Vivienne had always intended Blitzo & Moxxie to be THE main focus of the series.
If you think about it, Stolas is a well-rounded secondary character who can be absent from entire episodes.
But prophecy in Stolas lullaby. I think he will reveal some secrets and he will be taking part in some groundbreaking events that are to decide fate of whole the hell
isn't episode 8 loona focused lmao? it's a hellhound party and she's very clearly the main focus judging by the trailer
it only has 7 episodes, I'm 100% sure they'll have more girl focused episodes
It’s crazy because you’re correct. I’m pretty sure the M&Ms were the inspiration for Helluva Boss as a spin-off. They were intended to be the main characters.
Is the creator a straight woman? Because from what i see, some straight men and some straight women are bad at writing women, as men sexualised them and the straight women focus on men because of their sexuality.
Not the 666 likes
It's not an excuse for under utilizing her but I feel like the reason this is... is because she is the most normal of the group.
Blitzo has his heaps of baggage that come with him. Moxxie has to learn to get a spine on more than one occassion. Luna has daddy issues. Stolis is in a similar boat with tons of baggage like Blitzo, Octavia is dealing with the build up and now fallout of her parents divorce and feeling like she's losing her father.
Millie... is normal. She had a normal wrath ring life, works an underpaying but enjoyable job for herself, is loved by everyone around her, even Luna has shown a soft spot for her on occassion. She doesn't have the issues that come with the other members of the crew. She's a reasonable, well adjusted person who really doesn't have a lot of concerns in this life beyond her job and her husband.
Moxxie and Blitzo are our leads because they each have heavy baggage.
Moxxie is seen as the worlds punching bag from Loo Loo land with the carny, to Millies folks, to Stryker, to the Succubi, and even Blitzo... everyone walks allover him. He hates this and to be a better Imp for Millie he's growing as a person. The drug trip induced by the agents gives insight into this where the Blitzo his conciousness created called him a 'precious little bitch boy' among other demasculating insults. This is his own subconcious ripping into him for not being as tough as the others... it was just protrayed in a fun sing along . He wants to get better but it is also clear that he knows he can rely on Millie and Blitzo to always be by his sides when things get too much... but he still wants to grow so we're following his path to do this.
Blitzo has emotional issues where he has a hard time forming deep meaningful connections. From Verosika, to Fizz, to his own daughter and Stolis he wants people to get close but keeps them at arms length because if he lets them in he's afraid he'll get hurt. This is why he obsesses over M&M he wants what they have.... he wants a Millie who will put up with his sh*t and always be there for him, he wants a Moxxie, someone who will always love him and give him the affection he so desires. He has this in Stolis but... as I noted above he has a fear of letting people in so while if he just opened up he might find happiness with a big hearted owl man... he's to afraid to openly admit he cares about him... or anyone for that matter. The ONLY person he openly admits to loving is Luna and while we know she does care about him, she also keeps him at arms length most of the time. He pines for her affection but as with Stolas once he gets it he'll push her away aswell...
Now this isn't to say Millie couldn't bring something to the table... but as it stands she is a control group in an otherwise mixed bag of emotional disorders that the show has delivered to us. Millie is completely comfortable in the group and Honestly I like her where she is. She helps keep the rest of the show grounded. If every character we came across was broken and dejected it would become very unbelievable very quickly.
There are tons of well adjusted characters who have interesting storylines and I feel like we just need to get some kind of goal for her, something that she wants more than anything (except Mox). Something that when we see her get near to obtaining we root for her. Maybe she has a grandma issue or something, ex boyfriend made her feel weak which is why she is so tough and picked an intentionally weak boyfriend in the first place. Something that gives her a little more depth but doesn't break her normallacy within the show.
Fair enough.
@@andreahoeflinger1196 Agree
Dude wrote an essay 💀😩
Yess agreed
@@Teaslehero6969 no this is a thesis. Merely a clear presentation of ideas that could and should be explored more within the confines of the show. This is hardly an essay and it pains me greatly that we live in a world where people like you exist. It was 4 paragraphs... Go read a book.
The fact he REGULARLY states that he likes the ship over and over shows just how much he knows this fandom would try to kill him without listening to facts
Maybe start by not having a clickbait title that's meant to get a reaction out of people would help his case if ya'll are that scared shitless of the fandom. He knew what he was doing. Video should've been "The Issue with Millie's character" or something.
@@TheDeadlyBlueWolf That's the point. I was gonna skip it at first but wanted to hear what he had to say and really, it's the truth. The clickbaity title is for people to come in outraged and leave knowing that he definitely has a point with this.
@@TheDeadlyBlueWolf you just proved me right
@@TheDeadlyBlueWolf that and the fact “the Millie problem” completely works as a title and in no way shape or form is clickbait.
You saw that thumbnail, clicked on the video, and the video was full of the current problem of Millie in that she isn’t used for anything other then violence or a buff for Moxie.
It’s literally not even clickbait- YOU personally just don’t like it
@@hereticwaffle5514Oh please, it's obvious clickbait. Once you bring in Moxxie, the implication is that the video is about how the relationship itself is problematic and you know it. He even put "x" between their names which is one of the most common ways people denote a ship.
As much as I adore them both, if the writer cannot answer the question, "What would her life be like if she had never met him?" then she's a character's love interest, not a character herself.
Well No, because they met each other and thus changed each other, a more important question is "what is her life like currently without Moxie" , just like he got without her
Because all relationships affect those within them
@@Sip_Dhit the point still stands thogih
perhaps a farm girl like her sisters
But I mean, we can’t exactly answer the opposite either. We don’t really now where Moxie would be without her.
@@adude6910 dead or having a panic attack, it's not really hard to answer. He's nervous so without someone like Millie to ground him he'd be anxious all the time
Millie would probably be at home, but i don't know since the creators didn't characterize her enough, all I know is that she likes melee weapons
Blitzø: Has very great and tragic backstory, relatable to some people, loveable bitch, has a lot of speculation, basically show don't tell
Moxxie: Fan favorite, comedic relief, iconic possum, voiced by invader Zim, one too many episodes on character arc(s)/development, wholesome husband, insecure, best character fight me, memeable
Loona: furry bait, too many r34, underappreciated yet overrated, a bit boring, thicc goth chick, phone obsessed, asshole, nice but needs more focus
Millie: SMALL THICC SUPPORTIVE WIFE
Iconic possum gets me lol
@@AGONY616 iconic _drunk_ possum to be exact
"a human called me a possum. I'm not a possum"
I mean, Loona recently gained some kind of developement
@@berge.5275 Ik, that's why she's one of my favourite characters now
I really love the idea of an episode where Millie has to deal with a problem in a way that is completely foreign to her, one where violence and a head on approach won’t work. As you said this could maybe be to help Moxxie as she has been shown to lose her cool when he is in danger
I feel like these two need a "how did they meet" episode. So we can see who they were before, how they fell in love and how they changed each other. 🤔
Edit: holy cow over 3k likes thanks guys!!
Ooooo yes, seconded
I have a feeling if tehy did taht, they'd do in a how moxxie overcame his fear of rejection or smth and asked her out, or she asked him
Maybe... but I think it'd be better, as the video mentioned, if we got an episode where Moxxie isn't under the spotlight (a solo mission for her, pairing with Blitzø, etc.), so it can about Millie and not about M&M.
Then again, if the background about the two of them shows us how she was and how she used to be different before meeting Moxxie, that could work too, I suppose.
@@robertolanzone this lol
@@robertolanzone but they never go solo
The only reason moxie was alone in ep 6 is he didn't manage to run away with Millie, they aren't comfortable with the other putting themselves in danger all alone
Then there's the chance for an episode on milie going on vacations alone or running some errands,and it may or may not turn into a mission
Personally, I feel that Moxxie and Millie's relationship would be even stronger if they were shown disagreeing on things, but still managed to find a way to compromise, and still loved each other at the end.
Oftentimes in cartoons or shows like this, we see the polar extremes of relationships; couples will either hate each other and argue about everything, or they'll be really sweet and always on the same page. But it is possible to disagree with your significant other and yet still love them.
I also feel that there's setup to that: Millie isn't as bothered by Blitz's antics as Moxxie is. The one time that I saw Moxxie and Mille come close to disagreeing on something was in the pilot in regards to Blitz:
Blitz: Don't judge me!
Moxxie: Oh, I do sir. Quite a lot in fact.
Millie: Mox! He's our boss!
I feel like there could be potential in Blitz's obsession with them driving a wedge between them, but his interference actually makes their relationship stronger, since Millie might be able to reveal why she puts up with Blitz and the two compromise, with Moxxie tolerating more of Blitz's shenanigans, while Millie puts her foot down on things that she normally let Blitz get away with. The two develop, and maybe even strengthen their bond with Blitz as well, helping all three characters strengthen as people and as a team.
I love Moxxie and Millie's relationship; they are incredibly wholesome. But I feel that there's potential to make their bond even stronger, by showing how they act when they disagree on something, yet still manage to find a way to compromise and love each other regardless.
i dont think that will make them seem closer it would just show they see each other on a equal level.The fact that they were a couple for long time and had no arguments what so ever makes them really close.Its as if they were in love for the first time but its like this for the whole time.
@@lil.eskimo6153 True, having no arguments can show how close they are. But it also isn't quite as relatable. I know guys and girls alike who fret that if they have even one argument with their significant other, it means their relationship can't work; they feel that they have to always be on the same page.
And that simply isn't true; it's possible to have disagreements with someone you love. We're all only human; what matters is that we don't let it ruin our relationship.
@@johnking9943you know, sometimes... things aren't meant for us to relate to.
THIS
Please have them disagree, show how healthy disagreement in a loving relationship is done.
Relationships aren't just serenades and makeouts, laundry needs to be done.
Show the Laundry
@@kerrixoxo461 I think they might've ment realistic or interesting rather than relatable.
Even two years later from this, WE STILL DONT HABE A MILLIE EPISODE 😭
Personally I think there are a lot of interesting things to explore about Millie. She's very codependent and her tendency towards extreme violence makes me wonder what she was like before Moxxie came into her life and how they came to be. I definitely think there's a lot they could do with her.
waiting for my millie villain, if Moxxie can have one, Blitz has like FIVE- GIVE THE GIRLS SOME VILLIANS
I’d wanna see her jealous someone would definitely die
I mean for gods sake... Even luna has one tecnically! But no one for Millie!
Sally may seems to at least be a rival.
@@olivia892 who is Luna enemy/rival?
@@sandywolfr26 if were talking about technicalities then we can say verosika or her like... Crushes gf
I love how Millie is basically a wild animal and by far the most dangerous member of the company, but I’m still surprised how little development she’s had. I thought episode 5 was gonna be about her but it ended up being more about Moxxie’s development. I just wanna see more of her. What are her weaknesses? What is she worried about? Is there anything she wants besides her relationship with Moxxie? What is her relationship with the other members of IMP like? They dropped a few hints that there’s tension between her and her family over her new free lance work but that’s about it.
I think we ALL know her weakness is not being able to take a hit
She always worries about moxxie, it states “IS MOX OK?” Alot And In 6 she screams when the boys are trapped in human realm
I feel like Millie growing up with five siblings would have some effect on her. A desire to be the best, or to prove herself, or maybe she’s a little vindictive or possessive.. There’s a starting point for some development. Plus skeptical parents, both of her job and her lover, could be another route the writers could go. They’ve planted seeds, but they haven’t gotten around to watering them yet. EDIT: “would” not “wold”
Like does she respect Blitz at all for disrespecting Moxxie so much? was she against the idea of Loona being at the company? does she ever have the fear of loosing Moxxie (either in love or in death)?
I just want to see her character break down and for her spirit to DIE. I want her to be terrible and despicable and just have something terribly wrong with her that is just a blatant character flaw that might have been hinted at throughout the rest of the show. I just want some depth, so I want someone to take her and shovel it out of her. That is all.
What I think Millie's arc in this show will be, is accepting Loona as a person and not just a hellhound... As far as I'm aware, she's never referred to Loona by her name ("Y'all haven't met by boss Blitz, and his hellhound!") or yells at her during Truth Seekers in spite of Blitz's own orders (yet surprisingly doesn't yell at Blitz invading her personal life)
yeah, I'm really hoping we get something with her dealing with internalized misogyny. because there's other points in the show where she's just way more harsh toward other women than toward any of the men in her life, despite the fact that there are so many annoying & shitty men in her life. I thought it was just about hellhounds at furst, but theres the thing with the cherub and the way she acted towards some of the succubi.
Millie does refer to Loona by her name once in the pilot. When she calls her saying, “Loona, I’ve been stabbed!”
@@simplyjay3638 I’ve never heard that line ever, and I’ve SEEN the pilot (and all episodes), which is actually some kid gets a hit on him
@@Jashinist-follower I promise you, it’s there. Check the wiki’s transcript of the pilot.
Now this is a solid criticism video.
All points are well-made and justified without crapping in what works.
Giving Millie more character growth and screen time would do nothing but improve the show
I would like to see the inverse of the Wrath episode where Millie feels like she has to impress Mox's parents because they're fancy and make her feel dumb and Moxxie thinks she doesn't notice.
I think Mox's parent was murdered. So that won't happen.
Maybe in the pride ring? That makes sense
Now THIS is what I'll be looking forward to! And not to mention Moxxie did mention his father back in the pilot so this could be possible!
If the parents are dead they can substitute them with someone else. For example maybe he takes Millie to dinner with some of his old theater friends and they look down on her.
@@minhanhnguyen1179 his parents isn’t murdered I don’t think. He said he was dreaming of murdering his parents. And he also from the wraith ring so wonder what his part look like.
Millie gives very rare moments of showing she is actually a very smart person at solving puzzles, but her family pushes the whole 'bezerker and brute force only' way of life.
She remembered to collect the flask while being inside a demon fish monster as evidence, she broke down the human's door-code by checking which buttons were worn down and she always has hyper-awareness in battle of where people are and what they are doing.
They keep trying to push Moxxie as the smart one in their pairing but they really seem to be equal, or at least different kinds of intelligence with her supressing herself because that is how she's been raised and it makes Moxxie feel more valuable.
OOOHHH that would be very interesting!
Now we only need an episode that highlights these traits about her while giving her some slight growth
I can’t recall a point where they didn’t push Millie as the smarter one.
Also:
-I...I should have used this earlier huhugh?
-I love You hun,but FOR FUCK SAKE.
I wouldn't say it's that she's smart mmbut more like wise. Looking at the simplest answer, she's grounded regardless of everything else that is going on
tbh this new episode that came out just kinda proved his point that most of millie’s actions/character is dedicated to moxxie
Yup. Came here to say this as well. Still no actual character development for Millie.
@@MJBfromCCC
There is nothing to develop???
@@nuttynutsnutstacheThat's the problem
Personally, that's the problem I have with most characters. They're either only there for tropes/characterization OR they're there for shipp/fights.
People, YOU CAN DO BOTH YA KNOW! Yes it's more work but it's FUCKIN worth it!
I want the Millie episode to be Stolas coming to her for dating advice to try and fix how things are going with Blitzo. Millie could be fleshed out quite a bit and has a base to work from on dealing with a relationship that her parents didn't approve of since he wasn't "Good enough" for their daughter. We could get a nice view of how M&M started and what Millie was like beforehand
That's a great idea! It would be a chance for Millie to show her level of insight and understanding of the team (whether helpfully high or comically low). And if Stolas asked her what he should do if both Blitzo AND his wife left him, that would give us an opportunity to see what Millie would do - or at least thinks she would do - if she ever lost Moxxie. Outside of occasional moments when Moxxie's in danger or a cherub is being annoying, she's usually so unruffled by life that we see few areas of conflict to explore, so perhaps her emotional overdependence on Moxxie could be a flaw to delve into.
LOVE this idea, my favorite so far!! I think it’d be such a fun way of fleshing her out without contradicting her established sunny personality, especially since she already seems satisfied with where she is in life
man❤️ yeah to show she can be sentimental/empathetic too
Yes!! And even some backstory on her parents and the high expectations they have for her!
At some point she needs to pass the bechdel test without fighting.
Just love the irony that media is oversaturated with toxic relationships, and the one wholesome non-toxic relationship is in HELL XD
But seriously there needs to be more healthy relationship representation in media
What a good point uihahuidajkhkjbskjbd
Toxic relationship are represented so much that people now think actual normal healthy relationships are toxic or people are shunned for having an actual healthy relationships.
ed and lorraine warren from the conjuring movies
I wanna make cartoons in the future and I actually have a healthy relationship planned out in one of them (ok maybe more than one show)
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At the beginning of episode six, the moment the boys get separated from the girls, I realized that this show would not pass the Bechdel test. Bechdel has proved itself as a reliable litmus test for me over the years. It's shockingly hard for most shows and movies to pass, honestly. And I still enjoy this show to the MAX but I really hope Millie and Loona get extra character development, as well as some actual women x women interactions in S2. Any sort of female friendship or relationship between anyone, idc.
X is meant for shipping, not friendship
it does though multiple times. besides the beschdel originates from a satrical comic written by a jewish lesbian that she herself said wasn’t made to be taken seriously
@@drpavel_ Do you think your point got across yet?
Actually I hope that Millie and Loona do not get any kind of "personal" relationship. Just like I don't have one with my colleagues, independently of sex.
I hope they show more of them outside work and maybe introduce their friends (Loona doesn't have them but she could - you know - get some). And their relationship with their families should be showed more (though that too would totally not pass the Bechdel test.)
And I really hope they show us more of the relationship between Stella and Octavia because that would be really interesting.
Still as of now the show passed point 1 and 2 which is more than can be said for most shows nowadays - let's just give it some time
@@hogndog2339 I have no idea why that posted multiple times lol. that was not intentional.
I'm not worried, I think she'll definitely get one. I'm pretty sure "super perfect couple" being a recognized thing in the show will tie in to a plot where they realize they need to be their own people as well, kind of like with Ruby for that one episode
It’s a tough case with Millie, since compared to other characters she’s got her life figured out. That being said, I’m certain an area they could expand upon is her Violent nature, next to Loona, Millie is one of the most brutal characters in the show.
So it could be explored that the reason why Moxxie fell in love with Millie is because he was one of the only Imps who wasn’t afraid of her ruthless and violent nature, and accepts her for who she is, rather than set a standard to force her into change. Would also lend into that fact that Moxxie empowers Millie by letting her “Peg” him, as Blitzø so delicately put it when they were given truth serum.
Another idea for developing Millie could be that in season 2 Moxxie and Millie would notice Blitzø’s loveless life, and explain to him how they had first met, and how difficult it was for them to love each other. It would show Blitzø that even a perfect couple such as Moxxie and Millie didn’t have a perfect relationship initially.
@ace! Definitely agree with you, as I stated though it’s tough. Especially since Moxxie and Millie are almost always by each other’s side.
@ace! it would indeed be something worthwhile for Millie’s character considering everyone else has already gotten their own episode.
while i think that would be an interesting episode, Millie deserves plot OUTSIDE of her relationship with Moxxie. Moxxie has other things going on but for Millie it seems that her entire identity is attached to her relationship with him which is stunting her character development.
@@MM-yv9mi You make a good argument. Guess I was primarily just thinking in terms of how Blitzø sees them as this perfect couple, and for them to admit that they weren’t always so loving around each other.
I just want an episode on how they got together and I'll be happy
Things we know about Moxxie:
- nervous
- know-it-all
- soft boy
- afraid to be judged
- is amazing with guns
- has a complicated relationship with his boss
- is the team's bitch
- likes to sing and write songs
- loves the opera
- hopeless romatic
-etc
Things we know about Millie:
- she's a badass
- she loves her husband
- she has an accent
.... And that's it. I like Millie, I love the M&Ms! I want to see more of her as a character, like we got with Moxxie. What are her fears? Her motivations? Why is she so violent, even for hell? What are her hobbies? How did she and Moxxie fall in love?
Things we know about Millie:
-She's a badass
-She loves her husband
-She grew up poor
-She has over bearing parents
-She is carefree and overlooks bad situations
-She likes their stalker of a boss
-She's sadistic and enjoys killing in the most brutal ways she can.
-She's over protective of Moxie
-Loves cheesy theme parks
She does need more development but your list just ignores like 4 episodes worth of insight into her.
@@TeiwazTheGoat underrated comment ^
you forgot that she's really a enthusiastic person, loves childish shits and events, a sunny character.
i think she is secretly a yandere >_>
I feel like you're bing kinda biased.
Here's a list about Millie:
-pretty chill
-very supportive
-bubbly
-unafraid of judgment
-is amazing with all weapons
-is unfazed by her boss even when he trespasses the boundary between employer and employee
-is happy go lucky but unafraid of stepping up when she has to
-likes killing
-hopeless romantic
-wont stand up to her parents for some reason
-has a trans sister
-grew up poor
-cowgirl
+
She's a badass, loves her husband, and has a southern accent.
Yes, moxxie is way more important to the plot than Millie is.
But don't act as if we don't know anything about her.
You were really trying to downplay it
Millie has an episode now
Honestly I like Millie as a character. She is an example that not every character in a show has to be insecure, troubled, or weak. It's nice to see a character whose whole deal is that she doesn't have a lot of baggage. She's happy with her relationship, she knows how to handle her boss, and she is easily the most dangerous person in the group. She is what we all strive to be and that's awesome.
Plus, y'all are talking about character development. It's cool when character development happens during the show and not before.
You know there's a problem when a character has a bad ass moment killing a mutant fish, and it's vastly overshadowed by a one line pegging joke.
But people love pegging.
You think its overshadowed by the pegging joke?
THATS MY FAVORITE SCENE IN THE ENTIRE EPISODE AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE I HAVE SEEN COMMENT ABOUT IT
@@Sorrowdusk this guy gets it
@@Sorrowdusk Speak for yourself
Millie is the Sans of Helluva boss
Can beat the shit out of anything but can’t take a SINGLE hit
Wowza I thought of them too. Also they're a lot similar in Papyruss being the soft emotional crutch to Sans as much as Moxxie is for Millie.
Their relationship doesn't hurt me. Because it's toxic.
@@lukascisar6740 how so?
@@GrumbleGamer18 It's a match made in hell! *slaps knee*
@@GrumbleGamer18
Moxxie didn't do anything for Millie. He is the worst guy ever. She does everything for him.
-I wonder what would happen if they were seperated from each other for enternity-
This, along with a few recent videos I've seen you do, makes me glad to see more people speaking out about how female characters are often the accessory to their male counterpart rather than their own person first and foremost, we def need that heard more and that sentiment spread so stronger characterization is given to female characters whether they are or aren't' in a relationship. Keep doing what you're doing thank you for the entertainment and insight!
It’s also a problem because her cheery personality doesn’t really serve to define her or make her stand out, it just pushes her on the background and
Millie often goes along with what Blitzo wants, but it just makes her dialogue background noise while we remember Moxxies and Blitzos dialogue because they’re driving things.
Her being excited about the theme park wasnt about showing her personality and more there to serve as contrast to highlight Moxxies apprehension which is the real driving point of that scene.
Even the sibling rivalry thing came in the context of benching her the competition so moxxie can be the focus. It’s her backstory and she gets barely anything exploring it because the focus is Moxxie and his rivalry with the men of the farm
I’ve always thought that their relationship was a bit codependent. She’s Moxie’s bodyguard and his muse of sorts. That’s about it and it makes me so sad.
It doesn't feel like a normal relationship?
@@killme5630 they should hopefully touch on them more soon, but to be fair I think the CWC that it doesn’t feel like a real relationship is kinda of the point of how cheesy they are
@@DoktrDub makes sense
@@DoktrDub yeah but... It's kind of a "perfect girlfriend" trope tho. You know, when a guy is a loser of the show, but still somehow he gets to be with the girl who's great at almost everything, and she loves her loser for some reason that is... Not really stated.
@@dumdum8538 the thing is I thought it was.. kinda stated? Like it wasnt straight-out, but we really shouldn't need something slapped in our face. In one of the episodes we are shown the type of family she grew up in and it was mostly just violence, and while I do agree millie deserves a LOT more development, it is shown that she likes the softer side of Moxie, hell, she LOVES how he sings and does the guatar ect. It isnt because he's "ahaha loser let's put him with a hot chick"
I feel like there's some potential in exploring Millie's relationship with the rest of her family. She seems to be angry about being excluded from the pain games and treats her sister with annoyance. And while we see her parents love her, they do give her a bit of crap for going freelance and are pretty harsh on her for being beaten by Striker. Maybe she's got some pent-up frustration with having to deal with people telling her to reign her love of violence or feels unappreciated by her family, which could be one reason why she latched on to Moxxie since he constantly praises her in all her bloodthirsty glory.
Y E S
You, sir, are a bloody genius
I 100% agree, I personally think that Millie, Loona, and Octavia are criminally underutilized and don't have near the amount of character development that they deserve. I personally hope that those 3 get more development within the next few episodes
8:06 just the fact that they gave millies sister horns like blitzo’s to imply she’s trans gives her as deep a character as millie so far
All male imps have them
Wait she is? Cool detail tho
I never realized her being underdeveloped until this just because I thought she was kinda simple and straightforward, she loves killing and fighting, she’s best with melee weapons, she has sibling rivalry and loves novelty theme parks. She’s just the uncomplicated one of the bunch. I felt that actions spoke louder than words imo but I agree, she needs at least one episode exploring herself and maybe have a tad conflict with Blitzø or even Moxxie, because completely perfect relationships eventually get old and unrealistic.
sibling rivalry
SIBLING RIVALRY! YES!
adding that to the list of things that can explore her character!
We have received a decent chunk of background info about her, but it is always from other people. The way I interpret it is that she is a complete psychopath who was uncontrollable. She then found Moxxie who treats her in a way which controls her uncontrollability. The problem I see with this is that she is dependent on Moxxie. I can't remember how she acted when separated from Moxxie in the first episode but after that every time they are separated even for a little bit, she immediately resorts to violence to get back to him. While she needs him, he doesn't really need her. He is self sufficient with his main weakness being having non-standard morals in Hell. He can work past that with or without her. She cannot work past her dependency issues with him. In the real world it would take weeks to months for her to get over her issues, but in the short format of the show I don't think they have the time to work that out without causing trauma for her.
We shall see where this goes. :o
@@acephantom903 they could definitely address the issue one episode. Maybe they split or moxie gets mad at her for something and won’t talk to her and it drives her mad. Then we can have a psychological episode with Millie. At the end they can find a way to fix it only for when they hug and moxie thinks it’s okay Millie looks to the camera or just off of the camera in dismay or unsureness because she’s worried that this might happen again only for her to plainly bury her head in his shoulder and hug him tighter. Then we can show that the relationship is fallible and that Millie has depth and trust issues/dependency issues. I feel like because loona is her polar opposite they could explore by using loona as a tool. Or they could use blitzo since he views them as the ultimate couple and has a stake in the relationship to get them back together.
Yea but that’s the whole thing with their relationship dude. They practically always get along and are relationship goals despite being literal demons. Why would you want to turn the relationship into something you see in every other show
Millie is weird because she already has everything she wants. She has a fulfilling relationship, a job in her desired field despite societal prejuduce, is un phased by her bosses antics, and has almost always been go with the flow. I feel like the only way I can think of that would work without conflicting with existing characterization would be to have a conflict between her and some racist/elitist business competition. She has to face her temper can get her in trouble, and it provides room to actually explore what makes her mad what her internal conflicts are, and conclusion, she still has a temper but isn't ruled by it.
Maybe her episode is about everything almost being taken away from her
@@bringiton4drago371 She does seem to be going absolutely wild on one guys poor face in the season 2 trailer
I really like your dealing with elitists conflict idea, something like her having to deal with characters such as the cherubs in situations where her more violent moments that are typically deemed appropriate in hell would be considered "unacceptable" and is looked down upon for being super badass and passionate
Idea: In season 2, while Blitzø and Stolas’ relationship would get more and more healthy, Moxxie and Millie’s relationship should get more and more toxic. That would be great for Millie’s character development, plus, you can’t deny that M&M’s relationship is Mary Sue’ish and needs some flaws inorder to be better written as a couple. (Of course, at the end these two would make up, I’m not saying it should become completely toxic, only that is should stop being so obnoxiously perfect)
I always got the vibe Blitzo was gonna fuck one of them and ruin the relationship lol
i love how sincerely in love and happy those two are. really, one of best, most supportive and wholesome couples in animation. totally agree millie deserves way more development. hopefully she will get it in season 2
Don't Moxie and Millie have to be this uncomplicated perfect relationship to act as a juxtaposition to other toxic relationships in the show?
It just dawned on me that Millie is the team's glass canon: she can mess anyone up, but it usually takes a single hit to take her down.
Ooo it would be interesting if that's the kind of character development she recieves, like she can diss anyone all she wants but as soon as someone disses her then she hits rock-bottom. And that's why she learned to fights so well, to show everyone why she isn't just a low-class imp, country girl but a force to be reckoned with
I loved Ozzies, and the roasting of Blitz, but for hells sake why doesn't Millie get to be the one to speak up when he calls her Moxxie's "unsatisfied bride"??
Bro PEACH- That was so out of character, she is usually the first to defend Moxxie.
I’m almost certain it is for plot, so blitz and Ozzie meet again
@@dinky2028
What did a peach do to you?
I'm so...bizarrely annoyed that they didn't do that.
As I am writing this, an episode for Millie hasn’t come out yet. But I have a theory/headcannon. What if, and hear me out, what if the reason Millie is so protective of Moxie is because the relationship saved her from a tough time. Maybe a tough ex from ‘exes and oohs’. We didn’t really get in depth to what Chaz did to Millie. What if she was just having a rough time, and moxie saved her mentally. She leans on him, but defends him too.
what if moxxie made her a bit "softer" and calmer in character in terms of saving ..maybe kind of self destructive behavior? she can be very furious and violent since she isn´t allowed to do the festival games (at her parents) anymore bc she was overdoing it as far as i understand it. very competetive character?maybe she tries to constantly prove herself like moxie did too but just in a different way. she is good in killing but possibly bad in other things like controlling her temper? that could explain why she isn´t falling into chazs " games" anymore when he is knocking on her door. remember when chaz said something like..why isn´t it woking anymore..it always worked? (for mox and millie) before he was going to blitzos room. so something must have happened to mox and millie that both don´t fall for chaz anymore. and she tried to kill chaz when she hear that he did things with/to mox. i hope we get a similar past-episode we got from blitzo and fizz that explains their relationship with blitzos guilt and fizzs hatred towards him. the only thing you know about them is that they are married for 1 year but nothing what happened before. exluding the episode that shown tiny moxxie as a kid. he wasn´t accepted from his father at all bc he is a soft character and needs more approval and tend to prove himself as a result all the time. but blitzo acknowledges him in the 6th episode of the things he is capable of and want to encourage him to say his name an not "sir" all the time. i think there are aspects nor mox or millie know about each other. like mox is the son of a mafioso. so there could be something millie didn´t tell mox about even when she said to him they can talk about everything.
I wonder if we'll get an arc where she actually really feels like she's not strong enough or in an episode we find out if she's been like hiding something like hiding her emotions or anything like that. That'd be super interesting.
I’d love to see her and Moxie have conflict. I was shocked when they announced in the last episode that they’ve only been married for a year. But, given how lovey dovey they are, it makes sense that their relationship is so young. And I think they’re building up to their relationship being more complex, we just haven’t seen “Millie’s episode” yet. But her and Moxie having conflict and resolving it would be really great. Because even perfect couples have disagreements and need to compromise and grow.
I didn't catch that they'd only been married a year. It makes a lot of sense that they'd be in the 'honeymoon phase' where they're extra cuddly and romantic for awhile. It could definitely make a good plot point for future episodes to have the honeymoon phase wear away and have them get tired of each other's antics instead of blind support for one another. Both characters have some unhealthy traits that a spouse would eventually call out. Like Millie's impulsiveness or Moxxie's poor work ethic.
@@kiraeckard7625 Hell, even the cooldown from the honeymoon phase isn't "I'm sick of you." so much as it is "I need some time to spend with myself for a bit, I'll come back later."
I'd love to see it happen to them.
They had conflict in the episode where they visited Millie's parents. Pretty much throughout the entire episode.
@@kirikakirikakirika but whas for the grownt of moxxie, not for millie, she didnt have so much conflict
she only was suportive, like in all the episodes
The best way to solve this is a bottle episode, an episode where Millie ends up in a situation where she can't brute force/slaughter her way out of the situation because it requires outside assistance. We kinda got that for Blitz and Moxxie in the Acid Trip episode, and now it's Millie's turn.
It would be really great if she was paired up with Loona. They both seem to have a problem with each other, starting from when Loona hung up on Millie after she was stabbed (in the pilot). It is interesting that Millie still hasn’t forgiven Loona all the way to episode 5. Having to work things out with Loona would be a problem she can't just kill to solve.
THIS!
"The Hot Receptionist!" Dunno why, but I did not expect that...*Slowly dying, laughing*
Also, Millie has that "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" energy, and I'm sure the team is glad they have her when the cow pies hit thr fan!
An episode with Loona would be cool. To know more about her past at the "adoption agency" And how she flet when she was adoptd by Blitz
Fully agree with all of this! Episode 5 not being a Millie episode is probably my biggest gripe with it. Everything was set up to explore her background or other relationships in her life, and then we just got an episode 1 retread. Okay, so it was BETTER than episode 1, and introduced one of the best villains in the show, but I'm sure they could have hit the same overall story beats with the focus on Millie instead. Genuinely, Verosica has more development than her at the moment, it's mad.
It kinda makes sense Verosika is more developed because she's connected to Blitzø and so far, we've been getting mainly Blitzø and Moxxie storylines. Hopefully Season 2 will allow us to have some more of Millie and Loona
I won't lie but I like that Millie is just a big ball of love and optimism. The fact she gets along so well with her husband despite coming from different backgrounds is a refreshing change of pace how every modern cartoon keeps having married couples bicker with each other.
Yeeeaaa
I agree! I feel like her personality balances out the more dampened backgrounds of the rest of the characters.
3:57 Oh wow, she really is from the boonies of hell. I've never seen this show, but I might give it a watch.
You did a kickass job on the 'Kankers are bullies not love interest' video & The Adventure Time exposé.
Been a year, have you given it a watch?
Im over here with a bowl of popcorn waiting for you to comb over the total drama series ... 😂
Bilzo & Moxxie were originally going to be in Hazbin hotel so their characters where more filled out. When it was span off into Helluva Boss Millie was made. Let's hope that she gets a high-light episode in season 2.
I hope you mean originally.
@@ashtonimagine7924 I did.
Someone else in the comments said Viv confirmed that season 2 will have a Millie-centric episode ^^
Millie just seems like a more "complete" character to me. That aside, I think if something made Millie feel that her relationship with Moxxie was genuinely threatened she'd lose it. I mean, when Moxxie is in mortal danger she tends to flip out, but imagine what her reaction would be if she was afraid Moxxie would leave her? I see Millie, before Moxxie, as a simple girl that was good at what she does, but at the end of the day was unfulfilled and lonely. Her family didn't particularly respect her or her decisions, no matter how hard she tried. And then along comes Moxxie, a man who despite being a bundle of nerves is also a cold blooded killer that will end you from 100 yards away, and he doesn't toot his own horn about it, he just packs up his gear and moves on. And this guy, this bizarre hybrid of quiet professionalism and emotional fragility, veritably worships the ground she walks on. He gives her the love and respect she's always craved, while she gives him the emotional support he's never gotten.
That aside, Millie reminds me of the "blappers" from City of Heroes. Two of the archetypes in CoH were the blaster (high ranged damage, poor defense) and the scrapper (high melee damage, moderate defense). The "blapper" was what you got when you rigged up a blaster to function as a scrapper. And blappers were surprisingly good at it, often able to out-damage scrappers. But their glass cannon status was still an issue, and if a fight went bad the blapper was usually the first to fall. That's Millie, she is devastating in melee, but can't really tank the hits herself.
I think this is the first time I've seen somebody mention City of Heroes on this site.
Yup!
I never saw this, never really thought or it. Thanks for bringing light to this topic.
Some characters don't need a dedicated arc like episode for them to have changes, I would like to point out characters like Toph in ATLAB she doesn't really change through explicate episodes however micro changes throughout the entire series since she joins, this may be the case for Millie and how she has her character arc 'change' but maybe she doesn't get one ever, because what's wrong with her character? she cares for her husband?
Honestly, it’d be kinda funny if a Millie-centric episode was basically her realizing that, so far, she’d let herself be defined by her relationship. Like, maybe Moxie needs to go do something on his own, Millie’s got the day to herself, and she’s stuck thinking “Oh, shit. Who even am I?” Before kinda going on a journey of self-discovery. Maybe Loona could be involved.
Oh hell yeah love this idea
“It would take a Roided up rhino to take down that woman when she’s angry.” I will never forget that quote
Technically you did forget the quote because he said hippo not rhino
@@riddlerx994 and it's "upset," not angry. Pretty close tho!
@@onettaviator5396 I just take your correction of my correction as a reinforcement of the fact that this guy really misremembered the quote he would apparently never forget
0:46 is that sir pentious on the painting
im so glad i finally decided to watch this video because honestly i was avoiding it because of the title but you're so right. justice for millie!
So basically: we need more millie.
Yes
@@SarcasticChorus yes
I'm all for that!
agreed but it's at 69 likes i'm not gonna be the one to ruin it
@@creamwormvevo6469 it’s at 70 now
The way the female characters are written in helluva boss makes me worried for how female characters are going to be treated in hazbin hotel, the girls in helluva are sidelined so much I really hope that doesn't end up happening to Charlie and Vaggie, I really don't want hazbin to revolve around Angel and Alastor.
Well Charlie's the main character so I don't think she's in danger of being sidelined too much, though I think Vaggie has the same problems as Millie, except without the likeability. I hope Niffty and Cherri get prominent roles too.
@@UnluckyAmulet Agree with you 100%
I'm guessing much of Hazbin will revolve around Charlie and Angel, since she's the main character and Angel is her first client.
@@jonquilgemstone that would be fun tho Charlie and vaggie trying to redeem angel I would watch that
@Lleucu Beau Exactly, if you took Charlie away from Vaggie there'd basically be nothing to her.
@Lleucu Beau Exactly, it's why I don't like Vaggie - she's just Charlie's guard dog, basically. Like a pet. I mean, the other characters except Niffty are all kind of jerks, but everyone in HH seem like they have their own lives and goals and stuff, except for Vaggie. Plus she's just such an asshole to everyone who isn't Charlie. I feel like Charlie being in a stable relationship with Vaggie wasn't a great decision because Vaggie clinging to Charlie drags her down a bit as a character too. It's just boring.
So glad I watch this. This is a great point. Ty for the vid keep up the great work
I do think that they did make some DECENT Millie depth with unhappy campers, but I still think she could use some more
Her disrespect and casual relationship with Loona gives me the impression that she's very aware of her species' low status in hell, equally aware of how hellhounds are below imps and has probably never met a hellhound until her and Moxxie started working for I.M.P. (it might even be a very subtle reference to the stereotype of "southern folk" / "hillbillies" / "underprivileged classes" being racist or at least bigoted). I don't think she has any kind of bad history with hellhpunds or else she would probably be more defensive with Loona due to trauma, so I think it's just coming from not being used to being around hellhounds enough to internalize respecting her as if they were equals regardless of society standards.
It could also be Loona is extremely rude and Millie is (immaturely) firing back. Not only that but Hellhounds are considered pets. (At least I think so based on Blitzø behavior towards her.) She's basically seen as a guard dog that is in fact a total jerk at times. They're nice to each other only when needed or when they're both nice. (Evem then not using Loona's name to introduce her was so messed up. But Loona being a jerk to her is also wrong.) Them rescuing the boys showed they can work together without being mean, however I still believe Millie just sees her as the guard dog of the group rather than who Loona is. I think they can work more on Loona and Millie working together and both of both of finding their worth.
As a writer I can tell you what needs to happen in an eventual Milly episode. She is the strong anger issues woman of the show, she is impulsive when it comes to Moxie. If they put her in an environment where Moxie is at stake but she needs to be calm and collected to help him gaah, it will be the greatest episode. And if she can't fight to resolve the issue? Even better
Agreed, and got easy way to set it up, Striker. He could have personal vendeda against Moxxie, who he lost his gun too, and causing him to leave a contract unfufilled. We can have an episode in which, Moxxie gets kidnapped by striker, with him getting his. gun back and going to kill Stolas. You could also bring in Milly's sister, with Milly calling her due to everyone eslse unable to help. She can easily be fold, were Milly is brute force, efferot, and vicousness, her sister could be far more sly, careful, work smarter and all that. Have them by the end of episode, able to work together, but still got kinks to iron out (episode idea fodder) with Milly getting her posum and striker foiled again. There are other avenus as well, with a lot of angles they. could go, and have some good ones pre set.
I had an idea of an episode where she just snaps like her calm collected happy personality just snap at blits and his BS
I had an idea where millie’s anger issues, while usually glorified, actually end up hurting moxie somehow. Like maybe millie gets so hyper focused on the battle that she doesnt realize moxies in the danger zone and ends up hurting him. So she has an episode where she has to learn how to control her anger. Maybe moxie’s at home healing so blitz comes with her and does his own shenanigans where he tries to help but makes it worse
i would love if a milly episode would show something unrelated to moxie
This is still centered around her having no character outside of moxie. Her changing /how/ she goes about doing what she already does doesn't help better the flaws of the character.
The whole point of the video is that she has no sense of self. She's just centered around Moxie, where as Moxie isn't only centered around her.
So I disagree, her choosing a calm way to go about saving Moxie is a horrible writing idea
7:19 No, because that moment was cliche as fuck. "Oh no, the insecure wanna be cool quiet girl that says sly remarks is now shy and nervous around some Chad looking dude. Now she slurs her speech patterns, laughs etc etc"
But I agree with your points on the female characters, for the most part, lacking development. But it's only an issue with Millie because she's the character with the most screen time and it's usually wasted for action.
This aged really well after the latest episode. The same problem with Millie is still present.
yeah. I watched the episode waiting to see if anything from the video would improve. so sad to see little to no progress
We never got Millie side of the story with Chaz it's so bad...
I dunno man, since the day this video was posted it aged like spoiled milk due to the argument having too much reach and lacking common sense.
@@ProsecutorValentineIt's been a year and the only Millie Centric episode we had was Moxxie pulling thr two into dumb camp shenanigans and Millie- Millard- beating Moxxine at hisseerrr own game. They still remain mirrors of each other where Moxxie just takes Ls and eats shit and Millie only knows how to win and be the best at everything.
I would love it that for the Finale Millie is the one who talks with Blitzo about Him and Stolas’s relationship and give advice.
Yeah, Millie seems a lot more understanding of Blitzo's situation than Moxxie so I can see her doing that.
@@47ratsinahoodie that and because she knows how romantic relationships work, ESPECIALLY a healthy one which Blitz and Stolas needs right now.
YES
Manifesting this🤞 Blitzø really needs someone to talk too and Millie could help him with that
YES
Totally agree, Millie just absolutely NEEDS to be fleshed out. Every other character in the cast has gotten that treatment EXCEPT her.
Eh I'd argue Loona hasn't gotten much
Eh I wouldn't say every character. Blitzø, Moxxie and Stolas have definitely gotten the most character growth out of everyone considering Blitzø and Moxxie were meant to be in Hazbin Hotel so they were already fully written characters. Millie was sorta added at the last second so it's understandable why she hasn't had as much character growth. Loona has barely gotten any screentime and character development (apart from Episode 3.) You have to remember that the Helluva Boss crew release an episode every month or so. They don't have the time to write storylines every month. Hopefully we get some more of Millie and Loona in Season 2 since we still have yet to finish Blitzø's storyline
@@Foxikaze Yeah, there's a lot of characters who are quite underdeveloped right now, for the reasons you mentioned above. However, there _is_ evidence that this is gonna change; there's apparently been news that both Millie and Fizz are going to get at least some development in season two, and in time, the others might follow...
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper I also heard Millie would be getting a song in Season 2 so that's something
@@mikemorro140 Still more than Millie tho
As a Millie kin, I can agree that I just want her to have just ONE GODDAMN EPISODE.
Your troll titles are amazing love her character wish they did more
Must admit, watching this made realise that, the women in this show actually pretty much only have 3 "settings" in their personality.
Pissed off, cute and savage insults.
I know they show other emotions, but that rarely happens.
Loona got to show some awkwardness with tex, but that was still in a cute way.
Octavia got to show some embarrassment and grief in looloo land, but 85-90% was still pissed off or savage insult.
I know it's hell and they are hellborn, but still.
Hope they will come with some episodes, that will show more depth to the female characters.
Tbf that can also apply yo the men too
The fact how overly women characters are poorly written in this show makes me still prefer Hazbin Hotel over Helluva Boss... 😔
The one somewhat fleshed out character would be Octavia
@@susankornas2613 tbh, I prefer helluvaboss's pilot more than hazbin's
@@snqoqo Why? In my opinion, HH has much better story, FEMALE CHARACTERS, LGBT couples, jokes, and generally it has much more potential and personality than HB
Basically Millie had no conflict she’s got the perfect life a great family and husband a job that’s the perfect vent for her
Does she do anything besides hang with moxie does she have any friends at all?
Before episode six Blitzø was just the "childish annoying guy" character, but now he's a three dimensional and a lot more fleshed out that that. Millie could be a lot more than just the thing you mentioned, a "flawless girl who is flawless".
This! Like it kinda reminded me of Chloe from Lucifer. She has personality and issues but most of her friends is cuz of Lucifer. She hangs with his therapist and demon and Ella from her job. Now hoping we get a girl night out so we can get more from Millie that isn’t tied to moxie
I'm sure she does we just haven't really been given the time to see it yet.
I mean what if she's flawless all bc she puts up an act... Well she's still pretty happy, but a lot of things she does kind of ends up being for what others want other than it herself.
And Moxxie as well as her stop was sort of the break through to that act. It's not completely dealt with because it's a major habit of hers so hasn't completely stepped out on her own??? Idk just a thought.
I dont think she has a great family. Didnt they give her crap on going freelance and other shit?
Yes, they should explore Millie. They should do so, CAREFULLY. Millie is a fun, crazy, loving character. While still coming off as caring and understanding. So, I get it. The reason why they have to be careful when delving deeper into her character is because she is deeply intertwined with Moxxie. As such, the writers have to be aware why they're together. Like you said Moxxie is her rock. So, if you want to do an exploration of her. Have her be separated from the group, but at the end of the day. Have her remember why she's with Moxxie, why she chose to get away from her home town and move to the big city with the person she loves, and why that's important to her. Anything other than, would be a waste. If you want it to work, have them explore Loona and Millie is the one to reach out to her. Kinda like Loona did with Octavia. That'd be the only to write an organic episode exploring Millie.
Touching myself to this video. Thanks for uploading
The reason Millie got almost none of character development is becase she's the most mentally stable individual of a group. Think about it, every other member of IMP has some huge issues they need to work with and Millie seems to be the only one who had a somewhat normal loving family and thus is not crying about it in her pillows. Also, the show is already packed with Blitz and Stolas and their mutual and non mutual trauma so there's basically no place for Millie. The only reasonable way they can give this beautiful manslaughter of a woman place to shine is in season 2.
Another reason could be that Millie was written at the last second. The main reason we've been mainly getting some Blitzø and Moxxie related storylines is because they were originally meant to be characters in Hazbin Hotel, but Viv decided to give them their own show because Hazbin is already bloated with characters. Blitzø and Moxxie's storylines were basically already written before Helluva Boss was created. Millie and Loona were added in at the last second which explains why we haven't gotten much of them in this season. Viv confirmed on a stream that Millie would be getting her own song in Season 2 so hopefully we'll see more of her and Loona. For now, I'd like for the show to finish up on Blitzø's storyline.
"In a world of overly shennanigan-filled couples" - cut to a Miraculous clip. That's a MOOD, Gabriella.
I just want to know what the anime is called in 4:58
@@nelzelpher7158 It's attack on titan (AOT)
I understand your points and was kinda thinking similar things when watching for the first time, but honestly. I think the team is waiting to give Millie more depth and insight into her character.
Only recently have we found out things regarding Blitzo and Stalas. So, I think eventually we will get depth with Millie and Luna as well. Only makes sense.
Just throwing it out there, but maybe Millie has insecurities regarding her marrage to Moxxie, where she feels that she always has to be his rock (in more ways than one) and doesn't feel like she gets the same in return from her husband.
YES! OMG you pointed out the biggest issue with the show I didn't know I had!
They genuinely make me happy as hell. I'm in a long distance relationship and millie just reminds me of my girlfriend. I love how sweet and accepting they are of each other. It's a MUCH needed contrast to most heterosexual couples in adult comedies. Where the whole joke is "hahahaha they hate each other". It's just nice to see two people who love each other for who they are.
Does she also have her murdery side
Idk if they would be considered a "heterosexual couple" since Moxxie is bisexual and Millie is low-key implied to maybe like girls also, but I get what you're trying to say. They're a opposite-sex couple maybe is the word you're looking for
@@Jovviial I know. I meant heterosexual as In opposite sex. its just nice to see a healthy one in an adult animation for once is all.
The fact that the joke “they hate each other“ is a joke at all just makes me very, very sad towards our modern day society. Like, why would you stay married to someone if you hate them?
this is my issue with "strong female characters" is that they're more often an archetype rather than an actual character. yes she's strong cause she saves moxie alot but that's defining her based in her relationship to a man, like the exact OPPOSITE of a strong female character. as said in the video she's always in the sidelines and I see this so much in so many shows, it's tiring and annoying.
loona is kinda in the same boat, not as bad as millie but all we've seen really is her relationship with blitz and tex. where are all the strong female characters?!
I agree. It seems like some people think a strong female character means being powerful and right all the time, whereas they should be complex characters with struggles, personal faults, personality quirks, and weaknesses to overcome. They are strong not because they are perfect, but despite being imperfect.
Agreed! Now that i noticed this it's bugging me a lot. I've always disliked bad charecter tropes, especially somewhat "sexist" ones. (It feels too strong of a word to use, but at the same time I can't think of anything else.)
Do they need to be important and be as fleshed out as someone like Blitzo? It’s not like their the main characters
You’re right, but imo it’s not just “she saves moxxie” it’s clearly also “she fucking loves violence”. Like, it’s explicit that she LIKES her job and killing ect it’s a hobby for her. Which she sometimes puts to good use to help Moxxie out. (Just wanted to add this one since I find characters like this so much fun lol)
@@lilithhedwig5408 yeah, she said in the games she killed 9 people, but that still goes with the whole "strong female character means we just make them physically strong and/or like violence" it's OK for a character to be like that, she is a demon who was raised in a rough area of hell but like that's ALL she is, loves violence, beats / kills people and loves moxie.
I love there relationship because it's so simple, both millie and moxxie share the same love language of being around each other. It's such a simple and special bond that they both love each other unconditionally and propel there love with support, complements, and sentimental gifts.
The high-five in episode 3 is just the best part. 😂😂😂
Also, I’m glad people are starting to actually learn why Milie and Loona seem sidelined instead of just immediately calling the writers sexist. In reality, Blitz and Moxxie and most of the stories involving them were planned to be subplots in Hazbin, before they canned the idea and gave them their own show, and thus having to create new characters to round everything out.
Thank you. This is what I've been saying
Even so they still need to be a part of the show now that they're in it. Loona might as well not exist and Mille is just romance filler among complex characters, which is very disappointing given she has a badass character!
They can expand on Loona's relationship with Blitz that they haven't touched on since what, episode 3? And even that was in passing with her calling him dad by accident. Loona honestly has so little impact on the show I can't think of any other way to give her character growth
There's M&M's relationship they can use to flesh out Mille's character too. They're very codependent of each other (or rather Moxxie is because MILLIE DOESNT HAVE MUCH OF A CHARACTER). Maybe they can show them having some conflict about it leading to Mille finding some things about herself that isn't centered around Moxxie and their relationship.
Chalking it up to them recycling a canned b plot is such a throw away excuse for bad writing. They can absolutely serve them justice but... don't. Again it's very disappointing
@@zen0vi We aren't saying it justifies the bad writing, but it explains it. Millie and Loona were basically throwaway characters. It's understandable why they haven't gotten a lot of character development when you take into account these details. Hopefully, we get more Millie and Loona in Season 2.
Same. I only knew of Blitzo and Moxxie originally made for Hazbin in some comment sections, but never once considered the writing staff were sexist.
Pointing out how Millie and Loona are both underdeveloped is decent criticism. But immediately accusing the writers as sexist is not.
There are also some people I see talking about how Vivzie generally only using inverse triangles for men's body shapes, accusing her of actually not being body positive. Which is a little reaching. Sometimes, we can do a lot criticizing a show without slamming it to the ground.
I would love to see an episode focused around Mille and Loona’s relationship. I just think it would be fun to see how they interact with each other, and could also flesh out their characters more. Maybe have Millie start seeing Loona as a friend instead of just Blitz’s hellhound
I just realized that Millie refers to Loona as Blitz's hellhound about as often as Blitz refers to her as his daughter. And aside from Sallie May, Millie is the only daughter in her family, but after all the times we see M & M showing a healthy amount of affection to one another, they don't have any kids. Now I wonder if Millie can bear children in the first place. This could easily add depth to her character:
Is it hard for her to call Loona her boss' daughter?
Could her interest in pegging Moxxie be connected to their lack of offspring?
Not to mention that it's a relatively relatable issue if she were to want kids but couldn't get pregnant.
What about the time when she and Loona help the boys escape when they get kidnapped by humans?
@@sparkstudies1675 it was fine, cool action scene, but they hardly interact and they’re not hanging out because they’re friends, they’re doing it to save their men. It was a good episode though
@@constantdisappointment5658 HMMMMM Food for thought...
I’ve never watched this show but I’m becoming more and more interested lol- And I’m the 300th like :o
Give it some time, I'm sure we'll get a Millie focused episode at some point if we continue showing them the support we do. Honestly its refreshing to see a healthy (in the context of hell imps) relationship for once in a cartoon with minimal insecurities or doubts that normally put relationships on tumulcious situations for the sake of drama content.
We might get a small backstory scene or something that might show the type of relationships we indirectly got used to on a mainstream scale.