"It's HELL" is a TERRIBLE Excuse and Here's Why
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I think the point is "it's hell, what did you expect" not "it's hell, so that means it's okay". The reason they're in hell is because these things are depicted to be not okay.
The ones with healthy relationship, like Moxie and Millie, are a very major outliar as seen by everyone else's reactions to them.
Exactly, people are getting hung up on the word choice and not the meaning.
Everyone understands that the show would be unlikeable if EVERY character in it was a total piece of shit, but that’s what makes the main characters stand out more when they behave differently.
Here, when a demon from hell acts like sociopath, it’s *expected* but not *okay* .
Yeah, the main characters are still literal murders for hire on a mainstream circuit. That only works within the context that they're demons living in Hell.
This exactly like don’t be surprised about it😭
This is exactly what I was thinking.
💯 👏
Yeah, like when I point out that it's Hell with Stella, I'm not doing it to say anything about her is okay. I'm doing it to point out that it's not necessarily bad writing to have her be that terrible, because it wouldn't be Hell if there weren't *some* people who were shitty, narcissistic and genuinely not trying to be decent people.
The reason people say "It's Hell!" wasn't to excuse the bad things people do. It was an explanation to people who were upset that there were bad people in the show. Tons of people were upset that the protagonist weren't good people, and people said "It's Hell!" not as an excuse, but in a "What were you expecting?!" kind of way.
Exactly
This
Not quite. After the release of the first episode of the new season, the card "it's hell, it's okay to be evil" to justify what was done to the character of Stella. If in the first season it was a woman taking revenge on her husband for cheating on her and publicly humiliating her, now it's an evil bitch that has always been evil, because this is hell, and therefore Solas did nothing wrong.
@@Торговецложками in my opinion, stella wasnt a character to begin with, in the beginning, she was always like this, if you listen to their argument carefully in EP 2, she sounds less upset about the cheating and more upset over "I CANT BELIEVE YOU SLEPT WITH AN **IMP**" Implying that shes just angry he did it with an imp, not that he cheated. When stolas mentioned a motel, she also went "LIKE A F--KING PLEBIAN?!" In the same episode. So, people who think stellas character was reduced are wrong here, it was always this way.
@@Торговецложками No, the original sentiment of "It's hell, what did you expect?" Was directed at the people who were outraged about Hazbin Hotel having that news announcer woman say something extremely homophobic.
They were claiming that the show was homophobic for having that character in it. When it's pretty obvious she's a bad person (in HELL) and it's really weird to claim that the show in any way supports what she said.
Not to excuse the behavior, but to say that the show isn't glorifying it (*cough* unlike a certain unfinished book series that was mentioned in the video *cough*).
Hot take:
Hell doesn't dole out punishments, its the demon's and sinner's own self-destructive behaviors that do the torturing.
This is a spoiler for the Netflix show Lucifer:
Humans choose to go to hell by their own guilt and can literally walk out at any given time to heaven I believe? They literally are held their by their own guilty subconscious and then Lucifer is regarded to as the Evil one despite not forcing any souls to go there.
@@cherriierr6955 As side note that is not how hell actually work in theology. Well... in bible hell doesn't actually exist and Christ promised us New Earth. With only those worthy deserving to live in this new world. Quite ironically heaven is inhabited by eldritch abominations considering fallen (the humans) as traitors. So being forced to return there would probably not be too nice (Sheol is actually a underworld, it is described as dark, but it is not actually bad place). But in a sense this show is more accurate then people think. Being boiled in cauldron was always pop-novel bullshit. Divina Commedia and Paradise Lost are literal pop novels comparable to Lucifer TV show. As side note, Morningstar is nickname of Archangel Raziel not Samael. Those are separate entities. Somehow people forget that Raziel actually win the trial with prosecutor (Satanael). Revelation 22 16
@@TheRezro Ohh that’s actually interesting I read your whole paragraph actually. I think they weren’t 100% accurate on purpose to appeal to teens and young adults more and add more of a modern twist- Lucifer Morningstar has a good ring to it you know? But yeah that makes sense in a way- SPOILER WARNING!!!
Because hell was revealed to never actually Exist, Humans only saw it as hell because their guilty complexes sent them there. Lucifer became a therapist for lost souls to help them pass out go. I believe I also read a poem for paradise lost? It mentioned some of the dynamics I saw in Lucifer (Tv Show) but it was more generalized in a sense, like the whole poem was basically about Daddy issues, I remember reading it for a class for AP English for a nature vs nature Debate in regards in to Frankenstein.
@@cherriierr6955 Well, yes. I seriously doubt that they put much of though. Like Geotia isn't real demonology, but rather medieval fan fiction. Just that by coincidence some elements more align with actual believes. As side note, if writers would be clever then Satan from the show would be actually descendent of Azazel, original king of Hell. And then defeated by angels, thanks to treason of Satan the Serpent. Whose name as associated with treason was forced on descendants of Azazel. When his descendants were posing as Lucifer (a Peacock Angel). Who actually went underground creating own deep state (aka he is Paimon). But that is just my suggestion.
@@TheRezro Given that Ba'al, El, and Yam/Yaw are all from the Proto-Cannanite Ugaritic pantheon and modern conceptions of hell are a result of New Testament depictions of guilt, zoroastrianist depiction of good vs evil, and various mythological inspirations converted from benign daemons, aetheral spirits, pagan/celtic gods, fae creatures, and pantheon gods into evil demons, most notably Uranʊs/Hades in Tartarus, it's almost as if the writings of the religious are literally just headcanons that evolve and and change overtime like any other folk stories. This is why I enjoy learning about the evolution and cataloging of fairytales and folk history, but dislike active belief in religion.
... I'm sorry but this video seems very confusing to me. When people say "it's X" they don't say it as a justification, they use it as an overall explanation for why things are so horrible. Like where does this whole misinterpretation even come from? I've never understood it. It seems like a wild assumption, an unintentional mischaracterization, and it's pretty damn common especially on somewhere like Twitter. At this point I genuinely want to know why do so many people think it's being used as a justification rather than an explanation of why those bad things exist. What creates the mindset where this is the automatic assumption? Assuming things and then forming an argument based on that interpretation is a huge mistake. i thought people in high school are taught to avoid assuming things as much as possible when making essays... It's like one of the main points in literature: do not assume things. If you make a false interpretation, all of your following text will be null because of it.
Of all the comments here yours hit the nail on the coffin. I was confused about the argument as a whole and the examples of different shows and animes to relate to the "It's Hell" argument. Other than that I took it as the setting doesn't define the characters it is the characters that define the setting. Or I was doing my own research on Realism Film theory and literature just to state that Viziepop is using her reflection of how our world and society are and use our world to make a version of Hell for her two amazing series.
This is exactly what I was looking for tbh. This dude and so many others completely missed the point of the argument and then go to write long ass paragraphs like this based off their assumptions without realizing how wrong they are. Obviously nobody is excusing these characters for being problematic but the whole point of the show is that they're bad people in hell, why do you expect them to not be problematic. The setting tells you everything you need to know about most of these characters because they're there for a reason.
Yeah, I absolutely do not understand this person's argument.
One of his early points is having a medieval European setting not being an excuse to... explore how people actually acted in medieval Europe? Characters having poor morals doesn't mean the author endorses their actions. At the end of the day, a story is just a story. If someone can't handle a setting then they don't need to actively engage with it.
People have trouble just moving on these days.
@@ZombieOfun forreal people also need to understand a person's art should not be associated with the creators character if the creator for some reason draw a person killing another then raping the corpse I know this is a weird example but would you think the author is the type if person who would do that
Can you take the channel over pls. This is a better take
Yeah I don't get it. The video opened up by explaining how Vikings in these shows have their actions explained because it's the culture in their world, then says that the same does not apply to Helluva Boss, and then proceeds to explain how the culture of Hell is everyone has given up and decided to be their worst selves. What? If you admit that's the culture of Hell, there's no difference between the Demons and the Vikings. They are both fitting in to how their societies act.
I think a better take away is just because it's more acceptable doesn't mean it's good, or that we have to accept it as the audience. Killing in offense is always going to be seen as morally unacceptable no matter who you tell it to, or why
OK but vikings are fucking awesome
I always figured Vivziepop's version of hell was more based on Sartre's existentialist notion of hell being "other people". It's not hell as a metaphysical state of being, it's hell because its inhabitants _make_ each others' lives (and sometimes also their own lives) hell.
Like The Good Place?
@@thegoodwitchluzura Haven't watched that.
So it is basically 7/11 mall, but in red tones.
@@xoxMatch I don't know what that is either.
“It’s an abstract kind of hell.
You're running into the argument that DnD players have been dealing with for years. These people are not inherently evil, that much is obvious. The premise of Hazbin Hotel actually leans into that- the people are people, but they live in a culture designed to beat them down and push them towards evil. The standard set by their society and even their "gods" is deliberately at nearly the rock bottom. I don't use "it's Hell" as an excuse for "so Stella did nothing wrong", I use it as "it's Hell" to say "so don't expect anyone to be blameless".
I assume what you mean by Dnd is character alignments ? Or are you referring to the games lore?
@@sirpaladinknight5491 I doubt he talks about the lore, as he would show that he does not understand any race that's literal representation of alignments in DnD.
@@morelstrike I'm specifically referring to the lore and alignment of "inherently evil" playable races like the Drow, Yuan-Ti, and various monstrous humanoids. Most of them have evil patron or progenitor gods that actively push them towards evil cultures, and there's decades of precedent that when removed from that environment, they turn out as well adjusted and normal as anybody else.
I agree, as a fellow dice nerd, diverging slightly from the topic at hand - I have always hated the alignment system in D&D, and by association, the "alignment planes" and their denizens, such as the devils of the Hells and the demons of the Abyss. Each of these Outer Planes is a physical manifestation of concepts, like "good" or "chaos", and the denizens are supposed to be the embodiments thereof. This relic of old thinking that is still present in the game world/lore is a giant open sore that really takes away from the experience, and people like me are tired of it.
I write fiends as creatures that sustain themselves by feeding on, and instigating, mortal emotion - Whether that emotion is "good" or "evil". And this is because the spiritual energy of the mortal in question shifts in frequency when they experience that emotion, becoming a frequency the fiend can absorb. These fiends in my world are merely echoes of humanity that grow until they are snuffed out. Classical demon-types feed on "negative" emotions, like pain, rage, greif, lust, agony, fear, confusion and etc., while classical angelic beings are fiends that feed on good emotions, like pleasure, gratefulness, joy, curiosity, exhilaration, satisfaction, and so forth. These are more human than humans are, facets of human existence given form.
Celestials in my world aren't angelic and good, but rather cosmic beings, bordering on the eldritch - Be they the deities, their servants, or something older. These are the cogs in the machine that keep life turning, be it by creating order where reality is falling apart, or by instigating chaos where reality is growing stagnant. They are benevolent, but cold - Reality, existence, life - They have no sympathy or care for the individual, only that the job they do is done to keep the world running.
Topical digression concluded, "It's Hell" both is, and is not, a good excuse - If only because the show itself is somewhat grey on just how much this world "is" hell as we're used to understanding it. Obviously the characters are incredibly human - A large portion of them used to be - And as they're written by a *team* of humans as opposed to a single mind, there are going to be inconsistencies, especially with the gap between the pilots and the show that has since continued. At a glance, this isn't the hell we're used to seeing.
But on the other side of things, perhaps it once was - And the great population that grew there eventually started building a reflection of earth amongst the fire. It isn't unlike humanity to look at a barren hell-on-earth place of extreme cold and ice, arid wastelands, dense overgrowth and strange creatures, or the maddening depths of the ocean, and say "I wanna put a house here". We put people on the moon for the love of fuck, however briefly.
So to say that humanity didn't immediately start terraforming what they could in this dark reflection of a world is silly - We gather resources and we build stuff, that's what we do. Maybe that wasn't the original plan and some among the clouds don't like it, but nonetheless the problem is contained and Hell is doing its job - Containing fallen angels and sinners. Perhaps when humanity gained a foothold in Hell is when the Cleansing started, only for heaven to realize they couldn't wipe out all of the people that were doing this because more just popped up and went to work.
Now we look at the Hell we're presented in the show and understand - This was once that wild west free-for-all wasteland we are used to imagining it as, but we're getting a peek into how much it's changed since Dante was there, just like the present on Earth is different from the way it was even 200 years ago. The old ways are still undertones - The same way racism, homophobia and blatant evangelical superiority complex permeate our otherwise modern culture - But the general populace of hell isn't suffering because of the environment anymore, they're suffering because of each other.
But the oldest denizens of hell still remember the old ways, and pull the strings to torture those under them in a new way - Using the civilization mankind built in the fiery depths, instead of the flames themselves. They live lavishly and take advantage of the general populace, taking out their ancient malice on them while simultaneously making gains from the opportunity. That's why they themselves allowed humanity to grow - A king with no subjects is a commoner with a crown.
So yes, this *was* hell - But it's something else now, a New World. And while the "It's Hell" argument still flies to a degree in my opinion, it should be disregarded when talking about characters since honestly the argument's validity should be taken as an undertone, just as Old Hell is.
But this is all just a theory.
You know that Extra Credits did a tactic like that and it fail right?
Honestly the fact that Helluva boss is set in hell helps it a lot as an adult show. It makes sense that a vast majority of the characters are addicts and jerks because it is hell. It is not an excuse but a fleshing out of the world. Being evil is the default norm in this world. Which makes it all the sweeter when characters are good to one another. They are defying the effects of their environment and in the case of Charlie, actively trying to redeem characters who do not want redemption in a world when redemption is seemingly impossible. One of the problems we see in a lot of adult cartoons is the tone tends to be too meanspirited. The novelty of selfish jerks being selfish jerks to each other wears off over time and is very difficult for writers to pull off. The fact that helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel stars a bunch of demons and sinners in hell is a clever way to surmount that hurdle.
T h i s is 100% the charm of the show
Wow, that’s actually a very good point
Exactly that's literally the entire plot of the show basically
Contrasts! Is always contrasts!
I don’t think I used the phrase clever to describe the choice to set the series in hell. It’s kind of the joke in adult animation that setting your show in hell to tell no no jokes is incredibly played out
It's true, just because these characters live in Hell that doesn't mean that they are pure evil whether they are demon or sinner they just try to live normal lives like anyone else.
Everyone in that is in hell is a sinner and our mc are literaly murders for higher there not good people
Stoles is probably the only good person along with stella but even then there not to clean
@@MurakiChiyo why would they be referring to anything but the cartoon💀
Specifically in this show sure
Still you cant really overlook the things they do tho
Yeah except you never had to be pure evil to be on hell in the first place. Just self-serving. You could never hurt another soul and still be sinful. And if you know that your culture is one of many and the rest look down on you, you can make comparisons why and probably come to the conclusion that all the things that demons do to anger one another, angers everyone else the same and everyone else is not doing that. If they know murder and theft is bad, yet still do it to survive, that's still a sin.
@@MurakiChiyo I watched this and I don't care.
I think at the very least theres a baseline immorality that comes with your setting being hell, these people kill as part of their job and are actual demons. Idk what people are excusing (watched more of the video, now I know) by yeah, some characters in these shows can be cruel by hell standards.
As in, being evil killers doesn't make you act like one, in hell that's just a basic job from what I can tell. Moxxie as an example is an upstanding man by earth standards aside from the fact that he is good at killing humans, but in hell, he's still basically called a wuss at every point because of cultural values. Even if there exists members of this unique society that would want a loving relationship.
It's unique, so I understand the frustration of basically taking every narrative trope of hell and tacking it to this unique world that's been built.
in regards to your edit, i've watched the whole video and am still trying to figure out what people are excusing. care to help me out?
Even the murder isn't necessarily as terrible as it is in real life; in reality, we don't know for certain what happens to people when they die. We can't see them or communicate with them any more, all we know is that they're gone forever. IMP doesn't have that perspective. They know, for a fact, that the people they kill will go to hell or (on occasion) to heaven. What's more, the sinners they kill occupy a higher place in the infernal social hierarchy than the imps themselves do. Our main characters are *from* hell, and they don't see it as such a terrible place.
@@wayronhelloneighborcontent9810 It's things like Stella being abusive or the act of cheating. People throw out "it's Hell" to try and downplay or just outright brush away the problematic nature of an action when it's presented as such.
@@madamaonyx8844 ohh okay, that's understandable.
I think that's the crux of it though. While I definitely agree with his stance, I think the problem is OUR world often excuses abuse and other bad actions or tendencies like cheating or people just try to do so because they love a character and a lot of people can't seem to accept that this character is someone who's legit problematic so they're trying to "defend" the character as if they were a friend. In some cases this can be justified, like bad writing that doesn't comprehend where it went wrong or that it had some seriously missed potential, and in others they're being willfully oblivious because it doesn't match their interpretation of events. So, yeah, I think inherently while he hit the nail on the head about hell involving late-stage capitalism and exploitative hierarchies with heaven as the oppressors who've created and reinforced an environment where their victims help by oppressing others and themselves, but he missed the fact that because we're not that dissimilar, that's why fans are trying to look for handy-dandy excuses to stand up for their faves.
lol "It's hell" is almost the same as "the devil made them do it" in a way. It's just their choice for trying to come to terms with it and hand-wave things. I don't think they're right but I understand why they're doing it and it's actually because our world is unfortunately so similar... and in general this kind of reaction is really common and one of the many reasons I think we're seeing a huge uptick in character redemption arcs, some of which are great and others that might not pan out as well, as well as generational trauma exploration narratives. Not just because people raised in a more aware generation are now at the helm of our current media but because it's a big trend especially among fandom communities and their content. But IDK maybe I'm assuming too much.
I've had a long time to come to terms with my love of a very problematic character (different fandom.) I still love him and probably woobie him more than I should (I enjoy making him suffer as kind of a karmic justice but it also feeds into his bad attitude so it's a win-win for me) and while I try explaining him, showing his internal logic for how he reconciles his awful actions, I try not to excuse him... which I'm aware is a really easy slope to trip and fall down. We all just want to love our faves and sometimes we try to redeem them. And there's nothing wrong with that, fanfiction and fanart is built on the backs of grand speculation and "what if?" scenarios. Hell, the media we love often does this as well! So I don't knock people for having fun with that aspect.
It's just unfortunate when you have, as author examples, EL James getting called out for how she romanticizes abuse and then her doubling down, trying to normalize some truly terrible shit. She's not the only one; a lot of writers do this as well (probably some other published writers too, she just got popular off low-effort and received a lot of hate for this and that.) There's the rub; it's one thing if you write it and you're honest about what it is. We enjoy drama and trauma, it creates excitement and something to overcome, and we hope for justice or a good ending for someone in the setting. It's just awful when people are so neck-deep in denial, either from their own past experiences, their cultural and family upbringing, or both, and they can't admit or can't even recognize when something is truly horrifying because people in power get away with it so it seems normal or as if no one cares. :(
well this version of hell is actually pretty tame compared to the countless mythological depictions of hell where each circle is the visual representation of a particular sin. and its corresponding punishment. So yeah it couldve been done way worse morally and "problematically" Like theres a literally three circles for the sin of violence and the first ones punishment is boiling in a river of blood. oddly enough that ones the tamest among those 3 circles.
The tamest? What happens in the other 2?
@@chrismanning2888 Well in the dantes inferno version which is based on catholic mythology each circle embodies a specific sin starting in limbo where people who are not followers of god but have not committed a sin end up where they wait til judgement day slowly insane and losing their ability to think and free will. While in the circle of gluttony you are eaten alive by demons for eternity the punishments get worse as you go deeper but the farthest I got into the game was the 3 circles of violence I could never get past the second circle of violance. But from what Ive read the 3 circles of violance stand for violance against others violance against yourself and the third is violance against god. In violance against others the punishment is boiling in a river of blood in violance against yourself you wander aimlessly in a swamp that fills your mind with every guilt you have received in til you commit suicide over and over. Not sure what the punishment for violance against god was suppose to be never got that far in the game. By the way after the circles of violance is the circle of pride and supposidly thats where the devil lives and he personally deals out your judgement and punishment. Its considered to be the worst spot to end up in which is why it has the fewest sinners.
@@chrismanning2888 Oh sorry misinterpreted what you asked. Incase you dont want to read the long version. The three circles of violence are known as violence against others violence against yourself and violence against god. The first one is the less punishing as you boil in a river of blood. But in violance against yourself you wander a swamp that fills your mind with every sin you have committed til you commit suicide over and over and I forgot what happens in the violence against god one. Not sure how you would commit that to begin with.
@@chrismanning2888 Ring one is being nearly drowned in a river of boiling blood, ring two is a horrid forest where sinners are stood in place as gnarled trees and picked apart by harpies, and the third ring is a barren plain of scalding sand ignited by flakes of fire from the sky. The third ring is weird, because sinners were forced to walk, sit, or lay down on the hot sand- depending on how they had committed violence against God. (Usurers, Sodomites, and Blasphemers) Basically, the worse your crime against God, the more of your body had to be exposed to both the sky-fire and the hot sand. I hope that helps answer your question!
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"They think they might as well just be their worst if their best wasn't good enough" this statement hit me on a personal level.
The demon Lords that reside in hell chose to follow Satan, and all the sinners sent there had a life on earth, they could have chosen to follow God, and accept Jesus Christ as the Lord and savior. They are no longer redeemable for a second chance at grace.
If Vizziepop's hell was designed as a punishment in universe, it's definitely the type of punishment where whoever designed it was just like
"I can't think of any worse torture than what you already put yourself through."
I don't live on Helluva Boss twitter so maybe I'm taking this out of context, but since you didn't mention a specific use of the excuse 'oh, it's just hell' in a way the way people are using it incorrectly, I have no way to judge the veracity of your argument. It is made abundantly clear that the setting does inform the morality of its characters. It's literally the whole premise of Hazbin Hotel. So in my mind at least, that means that the externalities of the setting are informing the characters actions and motivations, like if someone commits wanton murder and it's treated as a joke by both the show and the characters in the show 'oh, it's just hell' seems like a perfectly good way of summarizing the way it's treated by everyone in the show. Not even Moxxie balks at murder so long as he can justify it in some way, and he's a cinnamon bun. So next time, please add some snippets of the arguments twitter is using that are wrong instead of attacking a generality that is in fact true but could be used in an uninformative or unhelpful way in regards to character analysis.
No one is trying to justify bad behaviour by saying it's hell. They were just trying to tell thin skinned people "what did you expect". Besides, what exactly is so problematic about it? Even if it is problematic why is that even a problem? it's a cartoon, it's not even on TV, you have to actively search for it so if it offends you who are you going to blame? If you are offended so what, nothing happens.
People need to be offended as just with childhood diseases you will build up a resistance to offence through exposure to it.
I will never forgive Stella for any reason, but I was pleased that we finally had somebody who was uncomplicated because those kinds of people exist in reality too. Finally, we had someone we could just hate without wondering what excuse they might have.
I admittedly use the "it's in hell" line in reference to the show, however I absolutely do not try to justify the horrible behaviour. It just gives me the chance to understand and explain, why they did this, not to try and defend them and call them a cinnamon roll after.
in the pilot they literally say "It's hell and no one fuckin' cares"
@@bigdiccmarty9335 that was a joke 😂
@@Tigolbiddies123 aight
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT- who cares if its in hell, these are supposed to be characters not monsters. Treat em like normal people, not like demons. Ik theyre demons in actuality but honestly when judging them as characters that should be disregarded
Says treat them like normal people and completely ignores that where you are raised is apart of that. I don't think either of you know as much as you think.
It’s hell they are bad people
@@lunakingsley.7247 someone gets it brofist my dude 😎🤜
Watch the dam video XD
hell is just where we are but we see the bad parts more because it’s hell. and plus, don’t think we are any better.
As a historian and biblical scholar, I feel obliged to point out that the 'Hell' in Viv's shows is entirely Viv's creation; it has no basis in any other historical or doctrinal depictions of Hell. True she does include elements of both Dante's Inferno and the post enlightenment depictions of Hell, but these individual elements have been tweaked and twisted beyond historical recognition.
Yeah, you’re right honestly. I especially felt that bit about how historical settings and the culture inform the morality of the characters, or at least SHOULD. The amount of times I’ve seen people try and justify weird-ass modernization of older cultures’ morals is bizarre.
If a work is set in the post-Sengoku Jidai Japan, I am going to be insanely confused if there’s a scene where a peasant insults and spits at a samurai and the Samurai doesn’t exercise Kiri-Sute Gomen immediately in response, or, God forbid, attempts to have a dialogue with them. No. That’s not how that worked.
yeah its a product of not wanting to piss off the higher ups or not wanting to be "to accurate" to the point it ruins what they want to go for. one of the things i hate the most is when the stories do stick to more accurate things for the time setting but ppl get pissed off about it, make it into something more then it really is, or misunderstand its point of its inclusion in the setting. due to them looking at it with a modern mindset ignoring the era its set in
I guess from the newest episode we can take that the hellborn kids are pretty much like regular kids and the grownups Frick em up. I think vivzie also said that when a sinner dies, their very essence corrupts the objects and beings around them. That might also explain why they are the way they are?
It makes me intrested in learning Vaggie's backstory in why she is in hell. Because she is pretty much the nicest sinner we have really seen. Sure she is aggressive at times but is never really rude about it and it doesn't come from malice.
Wasn't her death a suicide
@@jakie4444 I didn’t know she died from suicide but what did she do to place her in hell
@Stick the landing
committing suicide is a sin in a lot of religions.
I mean, wrath Is one of the deadly sins, so maybe people with unresolved anger issues go to hell no matter what they do?
@@jakie4444 she commited?
This video was much more nuanced than I thought it would be. For some reason, I thought this would be about how Helluva Boss shouldn't have regular, toxic characters just because it's hell. I thought of Scottfalco saying "people saying bad things is normal because they are bad people that have gone to HELL." I didn't consider the different ways that shows actually tackle their settings and morals. Especially how in helluva boss, evil is encouraged and normalized, but it isn't *inherent* . People do bad things, not because they are completely evil, but because they believe there's no reason *not* to. Which I think is a very natural way of explaining the morality in the show.
Also, thanks for trashing Seven Deadly Sins a way that wasn't forced, but 100% true and taken seriously.
@Miles Gwatidzo no
Congratulations you screenshotted an NFT you earned the based trophy
Hell would be full of terrible people even if a lot of them aren’t necessarily murderous psychopaths.
Which is what hell is supposed to be like. Heaven is very difficult to get into, I'm surprised that cherubs are ever sent to help someone get in.
If Alastor is that powerful just from being a serial killer during his life imagine how powerful Jack the Ripper must be
IKR
Or Hitler and Stalin 💀
@@justysiastrzelczyk8212 Probably some Ultrakill Prime Soul.they immediately sent all they had to stop those guys.
Dude you never explained what those “problematic elements” are- I understand the point you’re making about the world-building, but what are you trying to argue..?
All the characters he said were good people are established to have been born in hell, they were not sinners.
Just gonna throw it out there:
Stella is not one-dimensional.
Just because her development is not what we might have expected doesn't make it "bad" character development; nor does it make a "character assassination". What little we did see of her perfectly lines up with her behaviour in the recent episode. She is still an abusive spouse, but it doesn't mean her personality is cardboard thin. A character with horrible personality does not equal a horribly written character.
More than that, we only at the first episode of second season - we might get more insight into her life and motivations, to which we haven't been privy to before.
Thank you so much for commenting this!! I agree
Stella is a horrible person but a great character
To be brutally honest with ya. The very fact that you're bringing up other stories with thier versions of hell/sins really make no sense here because usually when people are talking about how bad the characters are in helluva boss/hazbin hotel using the excuse "it's hell", they are *SPECIFICALLY* talking about Vivzies version of hell which has shown how fucked up of a place it can be. Every other story you bring up has thier own version of hell which has thier own story and world building (depending if they wanna go with a biblical or just make whatever version they've heard of.) but again none of the other versions from other shows have nothing to do with HB/HH series within itself. Now, a couple of the characters such as Charlie & Vaggie from Hazbin Hotel do have moral and do believe that sinners can become better people with the goal of going into heaven wether or not that is true for that series we don't know yet until the show comes out but for Helluva Boss so far the only character that really had some sense of Moral was Moxxie cause he had tried handling things his way and well.. That went completely utterly south unfortunately. My entire gripe with this video that it doesn't seem to focus too well with the series that the fandom is using the excuse for but going off on other series that have nothing to do with the main that the excuse is usually used for (at least, from where I understand the excuse of "it's hell" is mainly used for HH/HB.) the two main series that a lot of people have been watching already. Is it a good excuse for how those characters act? Eh, I mean it sorta explains it in a sense but I doubt it being an excuse to just act accordingly though in S1 E7 of HB it did show how they weren't exactly fond of Moxxie & Millie being in love with each other especially when Ozzies club is specifically designed for Lust within the Lust Ring so maybe some demons just act accordingly depending on which ring they're in just cause that's who they truly are but for other demons, they feel like that isn't it and behave the way they see fit for themselves. Not an entirely an excuse really for the HH/HB series but again does kinda explain in a sense of why.
The biggest, most egregious thing about Hazbin and Helluva is that it feels like the creators lack the ability to write characters with any depth beyond “what if flawed character, but also sometimes UwU smol bean?” so you end up having a very literal representation of hell with roster of characters with all the complexity of a tiktok mental health diagnosis.
Both shows have literally zero self awareness because that requires writers to create characters that know they’re fundamentally flawed, but whose best intentions are self serving, not selfish; instead you’re left with a lineup of milquetoast self inserts that look like if Ren and Stimpy were drawn by a 2012 My Little Pony fanart tumblr, and it all feels like an insulting, and shameful merch grab attempt considering the target demographic for this show is very obviously people who look towards visual media for representation.
I'm a little confused about what your actual point is.
It *is* hell. This *is* going to make some things more common place/acceptable than others.
Let's just take Stolas cheating for instance. It's Hell. Show me a couple in demon nobility and I will show you a couple that is having an affair. Stolas cheating is most likely *the norm* and couple like the MnMs are the exception(Asmodeous makes a very musical point about this, with the kicker being the heavily implied romantic relationship he has with fizz). This doesn't make cheating not bad mind you just that it isn't the main issue in that scenario. He had an affair, it's hell, big deal, the problem isn't that he has an affair, it's that he got *caught*, very publicly.
Stolas even tells us that Stella isn't mad that he cheated, not that anyone with any sense thought she was anyway, and while he is speaking to and specifically of Stella, we shouldn't assume that it cannot be applied to a broader scope as well.
So moralistic ally the behavior is bad regardless, but culturally it's hell, there are usually bigger problems than the one being excused by said fact.
I definitely think this version of Hell caters more to those ‘other’ people, those with grey morality. It’s not a game of ‘good’ or ‘evil’, it’s a complex cesspool of selfishness/selflessness, versability/stubbornness, optimism/pessimism, a reverse conflict of resistance and compliance. Duality is also a theme present in many of the characters; especially Charlie, Alastor, Angel, Blitzo and Stolas. Each of them have different levels of conviction when it comes to their personal beliefs regarding themselves and the world around them, regardless of how ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ they are. This will either result in obvious success or failure, but may well end up having the consequence of creating something like an anti-hero or accidental opposition to their own ‘set’ ways of thinking. See, I’m struggling to find the right words to describe this, since Hell’s concepts of morality and what *we* know as humanity are just so skewed. But it makes everything all the more fascinating. I honestly cannot wait to see where the story goes.
Berserk is another fantasy world where you cant be surprised when certain shit happens and you are very much introduced what the world is like when you open the first chapter.
This video is everything wrong with how the fandom views worldbuilding in a nutshell, the place that is a filter where all evil ends up and virtues are considered frowned upon and the fandom wants everyone to be nice and even the manifestations of sin do the opposite of their sin without anyone even being taken aback by it
God, I've always used the "it's hell" explanation when people complain about it being too explicit and bloody and sexual, but I can't IMAGINE using that excuse to justify a bad character's actions??? Just because they live in hell (especially this kind of hell) doesn't make their horrible deeds okay! They're still murderers, abusers, cheaters, etc etc, and yeah those are all things I can understandably see in a hell, but they're definitely NOT just excusable. People really wanna defend their fav character, when really, that character is just a bad person, accept it. :/
But that's the thing- most people don't use the excuse as well... an eXCUSE... They more so also use it as an explanation for WHY the person is still shitty and is actually a bad person- it IS hell after all. It breeds in horrible people due to it's environment and that is kinda the point, and with sinners especially, it's not an excuse, it's an explanation for WHY the person is acting shitty. "How could they be terrible!!?" "GASP, HOW COULD KATIE KILLJOY BE HOMOPHOBIC??" ...It's hell, she's bound to be a bitch, she's a SINNER AFTER ALL WHO WORKS AS A NEWS ANCHOR OF ALL THINGS, WE SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO TRUST A NEWS ANCHOR
But y’all still Simp for Stella and Striker lol make it make sense.
@@MultiSuperguy101 Someone missed the point of my year old comment lol. People can like evil characters no problem, you just shouldn’t excuse their actions as no big deal. Clearly a troll, have a good day.
On the flip side of this issue: This Hell not being like biblical Hell isn't a criticism.
You'd be surprised at how many people have used the fact that the sinners aren't tortured as a criticism against the show.
They're torture is being in hell, forever. Look how miserable blitzo is for example.
I kinda disagree here, but not with what you're saying, I just think you might be misunderstanding why people say "It's hell".
I actually think the problem isn't that the demons are not inherently evil, but what they're saying is that they should be exclusively a product of their environment. The environment is clearly a nightmare hellscape with no law enforcement, just power dynamics and oppression. Anyone can have anything happen to them at any moment and nothing seems to stop this but fear and power. Meaning anyone who grows up exclusively here should not at all have human morality or moral standards outside of that thinking, and anyone new to it should have severe culture shock but either adapt quickly ( turn off their morality to endure ) or die. Toxic masculine expectations would rule over everything, and a sort of ancient code of honor mentality would probably take over amongst the lawlessness, a well-known sociological behavior in humans ( explaining why someone would get angry after being robbed from-- it's a matter of asserting dominance, not that its something they wouldn't do themselves. I doubt she cares about theft on a moral level. ) leading to endless blood feuding and etc-- by no means should Hell or anyone within it be functioning on a modern, civilized moral code without serious empathy and grief fatigue. It would be impossible on someone's mental health to endure that. So when people say "it's hell" what they're saying is the only appropriate response to disrespect, like from an abusive wife ( one that clearly just wants to control you for dominance reasons ), is to either walk away, abuse them in return until they submit, or kill them, but you don't appeal to a better nature and you definitely do not express emotional weakness, because you should know better than to do that in this environment by now. They should not be responding to it like they're surprised or especially hurt by someone attempting to mistreat them, because they should have been hardened by this environment to the point that they know how to respond to disrespect, and to avoid being hurt or killed from being overly sentimental or having arbitrary moral values. It is deeply human to become very cold and animalistic in this kind of situation, it is not the same as asking that the characters be simple-minded monsters. Its simply how most would expect a person like that to behave in this situation. For example, Stella may appear to be one-note, ( and that is less interesting to me, on a narrative level ) but... it is not unbelievable that simply the act of being raised in Hell was enough to make her cruel and cold. We can infer how she got that way without being told. Maybe even her violent tendencies as a child could have been taught out of her in a healthier environment, but of course it wouldn't here in Hell.
Some people can suspend their disbelief and just see the series as a modern drama with exaggerated fantasy characters and accept them acting like everyday people sometimes, but I think it is also reasonable for people to see the environment they're said to be in and expect the characters to behave as such at all times.
I'm not even one of the people to make that argument in the past, I haven't seen the people who have either, but if I had to guess I imagine that's what they're trying to say.
Please add more paragraph spaces, this was a bit difficult to read…
Are main characters are literal assassins in Helluvaboss, why are we caring about their morality when their jobs mean they have none?
I remember back when ep1 aired and the "sorry I fucked your husband" thing happened and then nothing was shown as comeuppance and I went "oh right, hell, they probably don't even care" and then LATER when the consequences started coming out I leaned in like "okay well now I'm interested about WHY they care" and feel like the sinners aren't a product of their environment, it's just hell because they're not great people (mostly) but the teacher had a good point essentially that one bad move is enough to land you there but before then she was a good person and presumably might still be after getting her revenge
Yeah you can probably get away with a LOT of shit in hell that you couldn't as a person on earth but getting blacklisted from heaven seems really really easy so anyone less than ideal goes to the other place and THAT itself implies a gradient of people going to hell simply for not hitting the mark
So like you said: it's earth, just with a much lower bar. You can probably get away with murder and cheating, but you can't expect everyone to agree with you on how and why you got to hell in the first place. Kind of like that thing about inmates who've literally murdered other adults but once someone is outed as a pedophile that's their uncrossable line because acts of violence are not equal
To be fair, I'd point out with the teacher the 'one bad move' was a murder and an attempted murder, plus throwing a child. While we don't know where the line is that got her into Hell, and we know that she was a good person for a lot of her life so there are probably generally decent people in Hell, I wouldn't say we know enough to say that it's 'really really easy' to get into Hell since I think most people would expect someone who murdered their husband to go to Hell.
Bad people go to hell, it’s hell, what were you expecting?
I don’t trust Vivziepop anymore.
If its an accurate representation of the Bible's version of Hell and what people did to get sent their then yeah.
So viziepop’s kind of hell is just basically red/pink earth, got it
anyways Its a valid excuse
This is a question that I really need SOMONE to answer, why is Vaggie in hell? This has nothing to do with the video, he's right after all, but rather a question that I've been TRYING answer on my own and I haven't been able to.
I think cause her death was suicide
@@jakie4444 That is, honestly, what I think too.
@@jakie4444 Vivziepop said suicide won't land you in her hell
prob she did something like the teacher in helluva boss ep 1
Some people have been going "It's hell, why isn't everyone pure evil" so this argument helps
Hell, some of them are from the 90s why are they all gay
The simple fact is that settings _contextualize_ characters' actions, not justify them. For example, if a character raised in a slum robs people with more than them to get by, their setting adds context to the character's desperation and motivation. Doesn't make their actions any less wrong.
wow i did not understand the world of Hazbin Hotels hell this way- this feels so nuanced and intricate, and i now understand the plot of Hazbin Hotel way better and suddenly im really excited to see what happens to Hell and the people in it as the show goes on
It's less an excuse and more of an explanation for WHY they are in hell. It's been shown that a lot of the demon's in hell are people who died and got sent to hell. Meaning, they are bad people, so of course they would do bad things. They wouldn't have gone to hell otherwise. So expecting them NOT to have moments where you are disgusted with them or think they are horrible people is like expecting a fish to try and breathe air. The whole point of hazbin hotel is that Charlie wants to redeem souls, so they can get into heaven. And helluva boss is that Blitzø is trying to make money off the fact hell is full of terrible people, by having them pay to have someone they hate killed, because he figured hell would be full of people who were out for blood.
“It’s a matter of perspective, really.”
Ikr oh ur talking about the show
“Medieval had kids married off”
They knew better than risk the lives of kids trying to give birth to other kids.
I seriously hate 7 Deadly Sins
In Viv's world, demons and sinners aren't just their sins and Blasphemous deeds, they are more than what they represent. Verosika is not just a demon of lust, she is more than just lustful sins, she is also capable of love, of having other emotions, not just the spectrum that their sin can give them; Stolas looks like he is from a demonic royal family that pursues knowledge as their blasphemous act, but he is not just a son of the Duke of knowledge, he is more than that, and that is something that I find so interesting about Viv's hell: you are more than what you see on the surface.
I'm SO glad someone finally talked about this. Going into the video, I thought you were going to go on a rant about the problematic elements of the story and how they are excused, but you actually have the same interpretation of it as I do! It's not just the sinners suffering in hell because of how shitty the place is, it's the demons too. EVERYONE is suffering in hell, because they torture each other and have terrible mindsets or no coping mechanisms. It honestly feels like a good analogy for life; by making the setting as reminiscent of our world as possible, they make us focus on the characters' struggles rather than their moments of happiness, making it seem like in the end, they can only suffer and be miserable. We've seen that there's ways for the characters to be happy, which makes me think that there's ways the characters can also be redeemed. If anything, I feel bad for characters like Stolas and Blitzo and Moxxie (and etc.), who were born into a terrible world and are not actually deserving of punishment, but are still suffering nonetheless. Again.. a lot like life. It really is all about the mindset.
Thank you! Way too often do I see a subpar critique of the show, but instead of actually pointing out the flaws in the critique, people defend the show with "it's literal hell" and I'm just so disappointed that they went with such a non-statement instead.
While it's true that demons are shown to be able to have healthy relationships, it is very obvious that M&M are a massive exception to the rule that relationships in hell are terrible.
I still don't get what the point of the video was, i can't tell what exactly you're mad at. I honestly stopped paying attention when you started talking about stuff that doesn't relate to Hellaboss or Hazbin Hotel.
I haven't seen those shows but I don't get the reason for bringing up other shows.
I agree with most of what you posit. However, I also have to point out that 'this is Hell' has been used by the characters themselves on multiple occasions. Blitz in particular.
Yes them being demons does mean they're evil.
I asked someone what prison was like and he told me 90% just want to keep their heads down, do their time, and cause no trouble. It the other 10% that makes up the violent gangs that does what their bosses order them to. I figure that's what Hell is like. Most just mind their own business while a few want to bust heads but are too stupid to realize they're being taken advantage of.
This is honestly why it bothers me that Helluva Boss even takes place "in Hell". Hazbin Hotel had a great idea, and the first couple of episodes of Helluva Boss were an interesting spinoff of that idea; but now, after so much Helluva Boss (and no more Hazbin Hotel), it just feels weird that this takes place "in Hell" specifically, when that's irrelevant in most episodes and can usually just as easily have been an alternate dimension that ISN'T an afterlife. If anything, this video made me LESS butthurt about the setting being Hell. XD
You lost me at the "late stage capitalism" bit, what you're describing is oligarchy, which isn't unique to capitalist societies and predates it quite substantially.
Late stage capitalism is a corporate oligarchy
@@joshscott5213 It can be, but it can also not be, we don't really have enough stable irl examples to compare and contrast.
Here's one that gets me every time:
"It's Hell"
*Characters are made of flesh and have bodily organs despite this place supposedly being in a non-physical realm*
I recently started writing a helluva boss fanfiction. I saw this video while scrolling through redit. This video is absolutely right. It was very helpful for me so I could continue my characters story to the best of my ability . Video was honestly a life saver for my 5 brain cells. Teaches writers like me the importance and influence of a setting and how it interacts with other factors in a story. Thanks for uploading man, you earned an extra sub.
Howd you miss the point of a simple statement so badly that you make an 11 minute video missing the point entirely. Hell is a toxic awful place filled with nasty people that causes everyone to be terrible. The world building is definitely there and you literally point it out in your video.
I get were your coming from, but I do believe that the use of the argument of “its hell” is still valid. Yes, the sinners and the people born in hell are not inherently evil with them being psychologically beaten down to act the way they do; and I don’t believe in using the argument to justify flaws in the show(s).
But that rationalization compounds why “its hell.” These people are not evil just cause that’s how they are, they have been encouraged to become evil by their own volition and hate themselves for it. They are their own punisher in hell. And no matter how high or low on the totem pole in hell you are, these people are still punishing themselves. Maybe even Lucifer as well.
the way media nowadays in general tries so hard to be all like "it's a lot deeper than that" "don't judge a book by its cover" makes this a growing pain. also throw in some "oh my god why is real Hell not the fun hedonistic party land with the sexy gay demon that tumblr told me"
I say "Its Hell"
But never to explain why the characters are Terrible or rude. I know their people man.
So it sucks to see how their not brave enough to be better. Then in some cases to better themselves in a healthy way.
Saying "this is hell" shouldn't be an excuse for shitty behaviour, it should be an explanation.
Stella is an abuser because she grew up in on of hell's upperclass families, who probably encouraged her destructive behaviours. That doesn't make her actions ok.
Stolas cheated because he was oppressed in countless ways all his life by every person who had power over him and that was the first time he chose something for himself. That doesn't make his actions ok. (hell is a place where it's probably common to cheat on your partner, not because it's morally ok there, but because it's probably something a lot of sinners do. Like Stella wasn't mad Stolas cheated, she was mad he did it with an imp)
People aren’t saying it’s ok there saying stop complaining because in hell people are gonna be shitty so stop acting like it’s the end of the world
Yea but it’s hell so..
yeah i do agree viv's hell has A LOT of flaws like how does having kids in hell work? do they give birth to a child in hell or did the children sin to get there?
I mean, saying 'It's Hell' as an excuse /does/ serve to define their environment. Does it make Stolas not privileged and Blitzo not a con-man? or justify their toxic relationship? no. But it does explain the environment they are in for this to be a not-uncommon thing for relationships to be toxic. Does it make thier parents not trash? no, but it does explain what kind of place they were in to make them that way, as well as explain the issues the two face currently. Does it make it right their reality is riddled with about every problematic issue in some form or another /not/ troubling and wrong on a base level? No, but it's the reality the show is placed in that allows it to be an outlet to explore these issues with the advantage of being separated by a fantasy veil so we can see the story beyond just the tragedy. Or in the case of Viv's stuff, see the story among the over-the-top tragedy that is most of the cast's existence.
okay but like you still haven't explained what the problematic elements are....
Right?!
It’s hell. Not necessarily the place good people go. I just want you to remember that dude.
Just because the characters act relatively normal or want to be good doesn’t necessarily mean that they will get there wish.
Hell is built on chaotic energy. If your trying to be normal or good there will be something or someone who comes along to corrupt you or temp you or basically ruin your day.
It’s hell. Is the perfect explanation to why.
Everyone trying to say "but 'it's hell' is an explanation, not an excuse!" are missing the point of this video
People use the "it's hell" argument mainly because of all the attacks thrown at the show for portraying a large majority of the cast as being LGBTQIA+. Since it's in hell I'm sure you get the implications. My thoughts on this is that within the show itself that aspect of the characters is never attacked or made to look wrong in any way ,and rather is played out just like in real life. Relationships with ups and downs just like any other ,and none of it attributed to the orientation ,gender identity being bad.
I had an argument along this same line about Bridgerton. The world building didn't support the problematic morality of certain elements of the story.
I actually feel like everything you said from 5:20-10:06 actually makes a very good argument as to why "It's Hell" is a perfectly fine excuse. Hell is depicted as a world without moral rules, the strong rule and the weak fall in line.
I get both sides cause most of them are sinners that got SENT there while the other half where born there and as we’ve seen in hazbin they can be born good so it can go both ways
watching this was such a waste of timee
a whole lot of nothing stretched out to over 10 mins 🙄
Wonderful video as always, but we have to agree that people are confused for a reason: Vivzie’s Hell is on the thinner side of worldbuilding and moral standards are highly inconsistent. For some hellborn demons extreme violence is normalised, but others have completely human moral standards. Because for Helluva Boss writing team, feelings and human drama is obviously more important than immersion and worldbuilding consistency. Hell as a setting takes a backseat and has no major influence on the cognition of it’s native inhabitants. They are nonhumans acting almost exactly like humans, because that’s what the story is focused on.
(If I would write hellish demons, I would totally write it as xenofiction with highly inhuman society because i’m bad at human emotions but good with coming up with alien psychologies)
at the same time hell is a place packed with history, it’s full of extermination, people living in their most free, chaotic states, some have powers, idk maybe “its hell” isn’t just an excuse cause its really its own world, its own version of hell
Bro literally said the people from the realm of EVIL cant be evil or its lazy
I think the “it’s hell” works to a degree. Like “why are there so many bad people?” Because it’s hell.
Honestly Vivzie’s Hell kinda reminds me of Johnny the Homicidal Maniac’s version of Hell.
This reminds me of something I've heard, that prisons can make criminals. Say an innocent man goes to prison and gets released after a certain amount of time, there is a chance that the influence of the other criminals made him into a criminal. This concept seems like it's run rampant in this version of hell, where "sinners" and demons alike are forced into being worse people by the social pressure of the people surrounding them. Victims of their circumstances, but not without blame, rehabilitation is possible, the only things getting in the way are the sinners and demons choosing not to, and the fact that heaven will probably just brush it off as sinners pretending to play nice to get into heaven and continue with the yearly exterminations anyway.
I feel like the reason I didn't like the most reason episode of Helluva Boss was because they've been establishing a very different relationship than before. From S1 E2 we get the impression that Stolas really did love Stella once, but eventually fell out of love and started a relationship with Blitzo because his current relationship didn't make him happy anymore. While S2 E1 actually shows he never truly loved her, she was always the absolute worst and he was doing it for their daughter, which is an understandable reason but contradicts a bit with the previous established lore
This I would be fine with...but my god I hate him knowing Blitzo as a kid.
They're cute. They are very cute. But just because they're cute doesn't mean I enjoy the decision that the two met as kids and then went on to...do what they do. The script is honestly really uncomfortable and not at all what I would expect from their relationship, and not in a good way. Their dynamic outright makes me feel uncomfortable because god dammit saying that you'd wish the person to do what Blitzo did to him was your "best friend" is just so creepy.
The "it's hell" justifies very little, but it also doesn't justify why the lines are this creepy and why they say the things they do is this uncomfortable. And I say this because I feel like the video is in criticism of the most recent video of Helluva Boss. I say as someone who really didn't like the most recent episode
No. The issue isn't that they're in hell. The issue is that, Blitzo or Stolas never get repercussions for their actions as kids, Stolas is incredibly clingy and using a trope from anime to justify him and Blitzo's relationship, and the entire episode feels like a tac on to the season 1 penultimate episode. I would have MUCH preferred if S2 E1 was instead put up as a second perspective of the end of E1 E7, rather than an unneeded backstory episode that told us...honestly very little
That being said...the meme quality is immaculate
Growing up to have a romantic relationship with a childhood friend is "creepy" to you?
I think I can agree with you while I did use to say the hell argument. And I agree with you and I now got more things I didn’t know the angels killed demons in “The Extermination” and that part in the show that flew over my head in the pilot. And second I do agree that not everyone in hell is bad but it’s a place that somewhat encourages due to how bad they have been treated for demons to be bad and get rewarded for it.
I tend to only use "it's hell" when people ask stuff like how is a child demon able to get drugs and weapons so easy. But your right i should work on that a bit.
Is anyone using that as an excuse to brush off the fact the characters are terrible, or are they just demonstrating to people who cannot figure out that the show based on hell has bad characters in it?
6:04, fun fact some Christians believe since God is outside of our time, there's one judgement day where everyone gets judged at the same time, and it's not until after judgement day you are either sentenced to heaven or hell. Some Christians believe hell is being tortured for eternity and others believe Annihilationism which means the soul ceases to exist if not given eternal life.
Wow im late. But yeah hell is not earth with a new paint on it. Hell is effectively a dimension to hold bad people. Next people going to be expecting Darkseid to have a soft and sensitive side.
this video was free and i want a refund
Something you didn't include is that there sent aren't any government related consequences to anything you do in hell. Therefore it is much easier for people to do whatever the f they want, which encourages immoral actions. And because people are selfish beings, we tend to do immoral things if it benefits us. Of course there are things that stop us from doing so, for example punishments from the "government" like jail or fines, punishment from society because there are moral codes, but these also don't exist in hell, and the wish to be loved and respected by one's SO and family, but again, there's no moral code in hell and they could easily do even worser things.
It's hell.
There is one "It's hell" bit that works.
If I knew that people definitely go somewhere when they die (sometimes not a nice place, sometimes another flavour of not a nice place, sometimes reunited with their loved ones, who the hell knows), and I was born and lived my whole life in the supposedly "the worst" place they could go when they die... well, that would definitely make killing people in the human world for money a lot easier, if not trivial. And it is treated in the show as a much less serious offence than, say, cheating. Murders often are written as a joke, way below their low bar for morality. I do wish we could see a liiiitle bit different reactions from characters when killing happens in hell. Maybe complaints about Millie and funerals with a ban to participate in next festivals will do.
Personally, the "it is hell" card is more just used to say...historically people sent to hell aren't necessarily good people. Most of them aren't in the slightest. So there are going to be characters that do upsetting stuff that we would normally not tolerated and said characters will be tolerated because it is hell and nobody in hell cares.
I just gotta say this is gonna be me at the start of the video I’ll edit it to tell you what I feel after the video
I think it’s not a dumb excuse due to the fact that if you were surrounded with horrible people for your entire life,you’d be bad as well
Okay this is the edited part:
I’m slowly understanding why he thinks like this. They’re still people but showing their worst. I have a theory as well,I think maybe when overpopulation happened,demons lost their jobs and they started doing their own stuff and some demons along the line met some hopeful people who then took a bit of the traits and since they were a little bit better,the more friendly demons were more likely to live than the normal demons who would probably still be very violent and do stupid stuff,thus getting killed by the angels while the demons who had found a bit of meaning in their life other than torturing people survived and raised kids and this went on until we finally got the demons we have today,the ones that aren’t all bad and would be considered rude-ish at least and horrible at most.
Look at Blitzø,he’s would be considered weird or rude to us normal people if you don’t talk about the whole murdering people thing. Or Loona who would be considered rude.
the people in Vivziepop's version of hell are pretty much each other's punishment,they torture each other by being horrible people
Did anyone else forget what the video was about half way through?