Did Unhappy Campers "FIX" Millie? - Helluva Boss
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Millie deserves an episode to herself, a backstory, or literally anything. Just give poor Millie an episode for herself😭
Cmon guys we even isn't go through half season 2 yet
We just need to be patient
I'm going to see the next episode just because if it has a interesting thumbnail
@Justme-tg9vt Thank you. One shouldn't expect so much to be delivered so soon.
we got her backstory. with her parents. she has the most normal childhood
Don't care about that all i do care is moxie villain arc that's all i care about i don't know if i got the circle thing
Millie needs a episode COMPLETELY focused on her
And you shoud COMPLETELY leave the writers alone
@@almas4663and you should COMPLETELY accept that this is valid criticism
@@almas4663 bad comment + ratio + shut up
@@almas4663Dick riding at its fullest right here.
@@almas4663they’re right though no one is messing with the writers :/
The problem with Millie is that she probably just has a stereotypical “southern farm girl” backstory, with not much to flesh out. We don’t need backstory, we need an episode that shows us how she acts when not thinking about Moxxie.
This could've been the episode tho. Instead of Moxxie needing to be right, why couldn't Moxxie have just *been* right? Aka: the evidence *was* circumstantial and the problem needed to be solved by using Moxxie's methods. If Millie had chosen to be impulsive which we've seen from her in the past, we could've seen her fail. Then, she learns to do things another way. A less brutal/straightforward way than her usual technique. And it would've developed her. Sure Moxxie would've been a part of the plot still, but it would've been about Millie's character growth. Such a simple tweak and yet...
@@kathiekalara6true it bothers me now thhhhAnks
True but her anger response to kill and destroy can’t just come
From a southern background. She seems very healthy mentally, emotionally, and physically. But no one is born like that. She’s an individual that definitely has skeletons in her closet that she overcame better than most. That what I get from her at least
@@kathiekalara6 That couldn't quite work with Moxxie's flaws as is, since he has an obsession with perfection. For that to work, for him to be right, would only fuel his ego to a stratospheric height.
We need a character
Unhappy Campers was legit a Moxie episode disguised as a Millie episode 😂
Exactly!
@@valentinkambushev4968Lisa: *"Mom can you tell me how I got my Saxophone without it ending up about Bart?"*
Basically this.
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@@Lorettaisonecoolguy Millie: *"Viv, can you finally give me an episode without it ending up being a Moxxie episode?"*
It wasn't disguised as anything. It was painfully obvious that the episode took place from Moxxie's perspective
This is definitely her best appearance to date. It would just be nice for her to have a plot that isn't also somehow related to Moxxie.
Definitely
Sorry, it was related to Moxxie. Like he was the main focus, the person who forced the plot to happen in the first place and we got to know why he wants to do the job. Millie only got a spotlight because she was hot and cooler than Moxxie.
Like Millie but I hate that this episode is still about their relationship and not focused about her deep character. Also Moxxie was more annoying than ever in this episode. But the worst moment of the episode is Millie finding a killer just a few minutes and Moxxie spending week is meaningless because they could have killed him earlier but no.
Like how I fix that moment is to cut it entirely and Moxxie will try his best to find clues who's the killer and discover he was in the cabinet.
Millie could still have a popular moment but she is doing this to information about the rumors of the killer and gaining the trust of the camp counselor key to the cabinet lock.
@@chikebosah5714 That would have been so much better. Moxxie would still have been shoved in the background but they have a moment were he relaizes that's been happening to Millie all this time and lets her keep doing this whole thing. She takes the lead while he offers support. Rather than it being about their relationship, it's about how Millie feels, how she's been treated, how she's been shoved to the side. I like the fact Moxxie was put into Milie's shoes but it ended up being how he felt rather than him realizing this was how Millie was treated the entire time.
definitely!! I feel like a great episode that just focuses on her would be a backstory on her like they did with stolas except that it isn't focused on her meeting moxxie for the first time. maybe, like, an episode where she was a kid and got lost and had to take desperate measures to get back home which would explain why she's so good at fighting that isn't related too much at the pressure from her dad.
i think a Millie-focused episode would work out great if Moxxie was the rock of the relationship for a change.
for once, let him sacrifice so he can support Millie the same way she supported him - and no self-esteem issues; they've been addressed, what, 3 or 4 times now? and wasn't Crimson the root of it all, and Moxxie finally stood up to him?
he needs to learn to not give a f@c# about what anyone thinks (possibly with the exception of Millie). espescially when he stood up to the source of his insecurities 2 episodes ago.
TLDR: They fixed the perfect relationship problem, but not the Millie problem. We got *something* for her character, but we still lack her full spotlight
Basically yea
Agreed, break down the M&Ms completely and have her go solo. Drop Moxxie like a sac of potatoes.
@@codybeckus2652 sod off.
Also, the perfect relationship never was a problem. The problem is that Millie is a sattelite character while Moxxie is there to be the butt monkey for whatever moment of "hurhur let's put somebody through the wringer!"
Jesus christ, no...... millie isn't a problem, she never fucking was. Moxie and millie are designed to complement each other and compensate for each other's weaknesses. Moxie isn't the butt of a joke, he's just better with numbers, logistics, and planning. Millie is an absolute meat grinder on the battle field. The writers need to remember that, and never EVER try to fuck with the dynamic again.
I think Millie sees Luna as a status symbol similar to pearls in Steven universe instead of as a coworker. Millie came from a poor working class family. Her parents probably taught her that even though they are poor they are still better than the best hellhound. This bias is still with her now. It would be great to have a Luna and Millie episode that doesn't involve Blitz or Moxie to fully explore their characters and where they stand with each other.
Also, because southerners and racism usually go as a set.
Southerners and Northerns, let’s not exclude groups.
@@valentinkambushev4968 There is a lot of coding in this show. Notice that the only other hellhound in the show who has a human disguise is Tex.
@@lindenshepherd6085 Yeah but which group is more likely to have a confederate flag on display.
@@greenleopard49 The one that's at least honest about it compared to the one who acts performative while being no different.
I do hope we can get more Mille episodes in the future that focus on her character more.
She'll have more episodes this season. I'm more than sure they'll be well worth the wait
Reminder, just ONE episode to completely build upon her. Better given depth rather than given sprinkling of her story.
We still got Blitzo's fuck-ups to deal with.
Hot take:
This is another mox episode, but if m&m's roles were reversed with mille having the crisis and moxie getting high on fame it would have been much better.
We could have seen both in a situation we never saw them before: millie dealing with issues and having a development arc and mox... loved and appreciated😂😂
@@lorenzz8569that honestly would work too, but millie's too good at her job and the episode would've ended much sooner, unless she's purposely stalling it to give moxxie more time to get attention which i think would work too. In the end though it'd still be moxxie getting the development as he learns not to let the attention get to his head because millie doesn't really have an issue in this episode, her issue is moxxie 😭
@@lorenzz8569this. It was never really a Millie focused episode, a Moxxie focused episode where he just realizes he takes his wife for granted
Now I want a Millie and Blitzo focus episode.
If she’s not getting a solo one, at least get one with him.
Yes omg!! They have interesting interactions at times I feel. Or at least, have the potential to have them. I can see Blitzo being like "so what's up with you? Why do you like this dork ass loser or whatever? I know you like him because he's a baby you can take care of- but seriously Mills, what the hell."
I agree, if solo doesn't work, why not a duo?
Millie working through her issues being an emotional crutch for everyone around her, THROUGH Blitzo using her as an emotional crutch and then becoming self-aware, and both of them working through it together as Blitzo shows character development in taking the focus off himself so that he can support someone else for once, in his own funky way.
I can totally see him venting to Millie about Stolas or his family- we can get some lore in there or something as he opens up about his trauma. she listens and gives him advice, and then him being like "so... what's up with you? I've just been talking about myself, but I don't really hear a lot about you" in a rare moment of realising that he's just been leaning on her. and she starts going on about moxxie instead, and how she's been helping him- since we've seen that she and blitzo do talk about moxxie, what with the ball gag text exchange- or about her sister's birthday or something and as Blitzo's listening he's slowly coming to the realisation that he's been such an ass. like, Millie knows basically everything about him, and he can't even ask her how her day's been and find out, well, how her day's been.
so he's like "no, no?? I asked about you, Millie. what's going on with you?" and she's just like "... um..." because basically no one asks her that, outside of maybe Moxxie. and then we delve into her half of the episode, dealing with her struggling to focus on herself outside of other people, because she acts as a support system, the one who gets shit done. and maybe even feeling like she's not as important- again, her sacrificing things for the sake of others. and Blitzo has contributed to part of that in some ways. he might even learn some boundaries because of this.
shared character development as they learn from each other. because blitzo is so self-centered and Millie is so selfless, they develop from each other.
@@Someone-or8tp this is amazing
I would def. love to see how Millie met Moxxie. Since we've seen how her parents think she's too intense at events, I wonder how she met Moxxie if that's the case.
We're certainly gonna get that. And Vivziepop also said that Chaz would appear again in flashbacks, and it will probably be related to her
@@-TJGRThose flashbacks should've happened in exes and oohs
That’s actually not what I want. I want an episode where Millie met Blitzo.
@@newdawnhorizon9879 I don't really think so, that would be too much for one episode. And even though I'm happy we get long episodes, I feel like it could have gotten a bit too complicated. Having it in another episode would give it more time, and it could actually be focused on instead of being a third flashback. I feel like this could age very poorly, but right now I trust Vivziepop
@@-TJGR Don't trust Vizie pop she's not a good writer. Oh so the flashbacks would bloat the episode but the overused dildo gag that can stay right.
Chazz dated moxxie and Millie but in Millie's case nothing comes from it so why even have that connection this is why the flashbacks are needed. They could've been part of a narrative.
The problem here is that Millie’s problem in this episode isn’t one that can be dealt with through her own character development. It doesn’t actually develop her at all because ultimately any resolution for the issue still relies on Moxxie. It’s another bullet point on the list of descriptors for Millie, but it doesn’t actually further her character at all. Even Millie’s character traits rely on Moxxie to be relevant.
Agreed, its not even another bullet point because it falls into the same thing everyone always says about her. "Isn't she awesome?" Yeah, people have agreed about that since the beginning, what else is new?
The show talked about her being in the spotlight but didn't actually put her in the spotlight 🤷♀️
I think at the very least it did provide a good jumping off point of how to give Millie her own moments and character development, the bigger question is more if they can do that again with a more refined script or just in a more general sense not having Moxie involved
If I remember, they finished recording a while back which is how episodes can release once a month. We’ll have to see if they’ll stick to giving Millie more moments for her own desires and how she’s going to be fleshed out
I think the series would really benefit off of an episode which focuses on the dynamics of Millie Blitz and Loona together. Her being pulled away from Moxxie for 5 minutes and being able to have full, meaningful interactions with other characters would help expand her as a character.
We’ve seen a baby Blitz and Stolas episode, we’ve seen a baby Moxxie episode, maybe a baby Millie episode would help. She has a loottt of siblings so maybe that contributes to her feeling like she’s just ordinary. Maybe do an episode about her leaving Wrath and forging her own path. Explore the explosive anger stuff, explore the Hellhound thing, hell even explore the Chad thing. There’s so much for her!
Yes! There’s is so much potential. Having so many siblings she was bound to feel either neglected or like she was replaceable.
The only thing she’s seems to be good at is killing but everyone can do it and in the group it seems Blitzo is the best at killing.
Have hwr compare herself to Moxie and Blitzo as Moxie is artistic guy who can sing, play instruments, write songs/poetry etc. Blitzo started his own successful company.
Millie doesn’t do anything unique and she’s an imp so there’s that factor.
I just. I want a real Millie episode. Both of the best opportunities to were this last episode, and when we met her family. But both of those episodes are primarily about Moxies insecurities. I love this cast, i love the m and m's relationship. But ONE episode about Millie where Moxie is in the B plot. I want to see Millie be herself. I want to see what makes her give up, what makes ger drive, and what makes her scared, OUTSIDE OF HER HUSBAND. She could be so much more than just a married woman who can hit hard
I still can't get over how ep on her family a home turned into Moxxie ep, but when meet Moxxie family we get full flashbacks an everything. It's a full fleshed out backstory
I'd also add Exes and Ohs to the list kinda. I'm still so annoyed at the fact that Chaz was SUPPOSEDLY both Moxxie AND Millie's ex they apparently dated at different points in the past, yet?? We only ever learn about Moxxie's relationship with him in full-depth yet literally fucking NOTHING about Millie's relationship with him at ALL?? And the fact Moxxie's dad killed him in the end means we'll most likely never get an excuse to ever learn about his relationship with Millie at a different point now... Like he might as well had only been Moxxie's ex and Moxxie's ex only since you could take out the info of him supposedly dating Millie as well entirely and literally absolutely nothing about the episode would change at all whatsoever outside of the (1) joke Blitzo makes about them all fucking in the same guy in the end... Which. I'm so convinced was the ONLY reason they ever said he was supposedly both their ex in the first place despite how irrelevant it was treated throughout the entire whole ass ep otherwise 💀💀💀
Maybe not a opportunity for a full-on Millie episode but man that episode will forever piss me off because it just felt like it really came off as the writers showing just how little they actually care about Millie at all in the end compared to Moxxie lmfao
I wouldn't go as far as "fix". It was a good start, but it was still heavy involved with the ever unresolved problem about Moxxie's insecurities. It's not that a Millie centered episode can't be about her and Moxxie, but she should be the one to learn a lesson in the end, not Moxxie.
I don't think it did. Honestly it felt very shallow, more like an episode where Millie was allowed to vent and then gets reassured with pretty words that she's more than just a killing machine for IMP. It seemed more like one of those company emails that says "we hear you, we understand the problem and rest assured we're addressing it in our own way" kinda deal.
Sure it's a start, but it really only scratched the surface for Millie's character.
With how much the show likes to spiral around Blitz it's weird they haven't tried exploring his and Millie's actual relationship as she seems to be the only one who just genuinely likes him and doesn't think down or bad of him.
So true. I'd just love to actually see why that is though.
Like does she actually like Blitz? Why does she like him? Are they actually friends?
Also how does she feel about his weird stalking of her and her husband? Does she put up with it because she knows that he's doing it out of insecurity? Does she just not care? Has she tried to in the past but gave up because he wouldn't stop?
I'm also curious to see how Blitz feels about Millie. Does he maybe look up to her for her skills and just generally the fact that she's fairly put together? Has he tried to befriend her like he's been trying to do with Moxxie?
When Millie said "Like I'm something important!" 😭😭😭😭 You are important girl, we see you shine. You really need your own episode. Hopefully soon.
Millie deserves an episode where she DRIVES the conflict and we learn something about her.
One thing I'm really hoping for is that when we inevitably get the flashback episode showing how the M&Ms actually got together, it ends up being told from MILLIE's perspective. Really dive into what drew her to Moxxie in the first place. I think that would do a lot in terms of putting Millie on the same level of development as Moxxie.
Yeah, we know enough about Moxie’s character to understand why he would date someone like Millie.
We don’t know why Millie chose him, especially considering she was with Chaz again.
So true. I mean personally, I imagine that Millie was attracted to Moxxie because he's very different from the other imps in Wrath which I imagine have a lot of toxic masculinity to them, meanwhile we have Moxxie who willingly wears dresses and skirts, is very openly sensitive, and is into theatre which definitely isn't a traditionally 'manly' thing.
But it could also be an underdog thing for all we know because if you think about it, Moxxie and Millie both have the same problem, they just express it in different ways. That problem being insecurity.
With Moxxie it's very obvious, and he has a habit of kind of making it everyone else's problem.
But with Millie, it's much more internal. She acts like she has it all together, while turning those feelings of not beign special inwards, which I imagine would've had a lot to do with how she was raised since her parents don't strike me as the kind of people who really do 'feelings'
Therefore, maybe Millie was attracted to Moxxie because she could relate to how he feels about himself.
Agree completely! This episode wasn't Not about Millie, but it definitely wasn't a Millie episode. That said, I do believe it's a great setup for us to finally explore an episode about her, as we finally get glimpses into what she thinks of herself and the responsibilities she has to carry. So yeah, an alright episode. But definitely one I think is better as a setup as opposed to "the spotlight" episode for her.
They gave her some depth so thank God for that. But the girl deserves more!
Hearth for Millie!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Honestly, Millie being such a support to the other characters, to the point of struggling to have an episode be about her, actually makes her the most relatable character to me
Fr. I *felt* Millie this episode.
I feel like Millie is just one of those characters who don't have an arc because they're already a pretty developed character on their own, kind of like Applejack in MLP:FiM. It's really a matter of how they're going to work with writing her.
I mean personally I loved applejack but they drop the ball on her hard too because they were reusing a character with limited things known about them from the original series but enough that they'd be pigeonholed. Plus to top it off they also striped the flaws away from that character.
@@ParasolhyenaThe difference is Apple Jack is clearly defined and had episodes focused on her. Millie doesn’t have that. (Although imp AJ had flaws)
@@Parasolhyena I mean, Applejack was a character people complained felt more like a background character than someone part of the main cast, which also seems to be Millie's problem.
@@PrincessLioness That show also had 9 seasons, so a LOT more time for character centered episodes.
Their just bad writers, or they just don’t care about the character enough. Look at Laszlo and Nadja from what we do in the shadows, they’re a great couple and Nadja gets to do her own thing away from laszlo all the time because she has an interesting dynamic with all the other characters not just laszlo and the writers are actually interested in writing and developing her. With Millie even in her own episode they don’t even know how to write her without it being tied to moxie.
Short answer, no. A Millie centric episode this late in the show, that still makes her feel one dimensional? Yikes. She’s so BLAND.
"Centered"
@@BrenoRanyerecentric* happy now you nerd
Wouldn't the short answer be "no" then, since it didn't really fix her?
She’s just a badly written character - like all women in Helluva Boss
@@RavenStarMediaig it doesn’t matter much tho
Please Viv give us an episode where Millie and Loona are stuck together for an extended period and address how Mills thinks of her as just “a hellhound” why Millie is like that and how it makes Loona feel
Great way to see more of both of their pasts and development the characters in a way that has nothing to with their male counterparts
I honestly thought Millie was breaking the fourth wall in the argument scene, it just sounded so much like what's actually been happening to her in the episodes. They honestly did a really cool thing with this one.
The character development being so late is still a flaw of the show, better late than never, sure, but it's still a problem that one of the four main chast got development so late, and it still felt kind of from nowhere... we got a good pay-off to a set-up that never was and It's gonna be really important to maintain this aspect of her active in the show, which judging from how they handle continuity for character development in the show is not really a given... we may still see Millie being just Moxxie's wife, now with the plus that every time we'll point It out a bunch of kids will jump up and scream "BUT WE GOT MILLIE DEVELOPMENT. WHY U HATER. STFU"
Millie is personally my favorite character, but that just makes me want her to get more screen time more than most, I just feel like theres a lot more too her we havent seen yet, and I hope we get more millie episodes in season 2
Sometimes, it feels like Millie is attached to Moxxie or other characters like the goddamn Venom Symbiote, without really having the chance to let her own traits shine. I’d love to see a proper episode where Millie finally puts her foot down and says “NO” to complacency. Whether it’s her husband wanting to do something that negatively affects them or her personally, or her being inadvertently insulted, just anything to make her drama a little bit more spicy.
She can pull them out of people’s backs, but good lord does this show need to make Millie grow a *spine.*
Yes!! That’s the weird thing about Millie. She’s a confident badass, who takes shit from no one. But never checks Blitzo for how he disrespects her and Moxie, and puts herself down to make Moxie feel better which are hallmarks of someone with low self esteem that she doesn’t seem to have.
She’s inconsistent , just like her power levels are inconsistent.
I don’t think it fixed the problem, but it definitely helped flesh her out
I don’t mind S2 E5 being centred on both Millie AND Moxxie. It’s not a Millie episode. It’s a Millie AND Moxxie episode, and that’s fine. They’re both the main characters of the episode and she takes up a sizeable chunk of it. Plus, it gives more depth to her and Moxxie’s relationship with their argument
It’s a good step in the right direction
The issue with this is, when Vivziepop mentioned the reason they had issues with Millie's character, is because they didn't know how to write her character since she isn't broken like her husband Moxxie, Blitzø or Loona.
That's similar to the reason why the writers of Family Guy had issues with Meg is because they didn't know how to write a teenage girl and was mainly the target of jokes and abuse to the point it got old, repetitive and fans wanted Meg to have her own redemption and voice, have a chance to stand out as the series progresses. I mean, weren't the writers at one point teenagers? Didn't they experience the same things Meg went through in high school growing up as a teenager?
Long story short, with Millie, should take a step back and really analyze how she should be presented in the series so she would get the episode or at least the attention she deserves in the series.
I don't think Unhappy Campers is meant to be the Millie episode that Viv promised us. I am pretty sure it is meant to be the one that introduces Barbie Wire. I remember hearing somewhere that in season two, episode five would be the one that does that and six would feature Fizz and Ozzie. I expected and still do expect that the Millie episode will happen in the second half of season two as well as the Sallie Mae episode which we are getting at some point. But, as always, we have to wait and see what happens.
I definitely agree that Unhappy Campers was a step in the right direction for Millie. We learned a fair bit more about her character and contextualizing her choices up to this point. She doesn't need some big dramatic/tragic backstory like the rest of the cast, but give her a plot for her to grow from.
We need an Millie Backstory Episode
I agree 😁
Sadly, I don't think that's possible. The show doesn't care about characters that don't have PTSD from their childhood, and Millie seems to be the only one with relatively healthy and stable childhood.
@@valentinkambushev4968 you have a point
agree
@@Soisoy54 She's a Hellborn Imp, the Hell just has humanized environments and cultures there which is a massive problem, they have severe lack of anything making it appear as if it's truly Hell.
After this episode I really want her to get her own dedicated episode
She's a huge mood for me as someone who deals with that kind of relationship in her position
I'm really glad they showed how constantly being the better person can be exhausting. Having Saint like patience really feels like it's glorified and there is a big difference between being supportive and helping your partner ( or friend ) and being forced to be their therapist especially when it's one-sided.
Always happy to hear your thoughts!
Chaz is confirmed to return in flashback for an upcoming episode. That might be our Millie episode.fingers crossed.
The writers could have easily used the conflict of this episode to give more of a backstory to Millie. Think about it: Millie probably never saw herself as special because she grew up as one of five siblings in a poor farm family. She most likely had to share everything with her siblings and a lot of her stuff were likely hand-me-downs. Though her parents tried their best, it was difficult to give each child the attention they needed on top of the day-to-day responsibilities of operating a ranch. Millie tried to distinguish herself doing something that everyone in Wrath respects, which is winning in the Pain Games, only to be banned from participating after going overboard with it and then being overshadowed by one of her siblings participating in the same competition to add insult to injury.
Millie saw finding a partner as a way to finally have someone to make her feel special and to have something to call her own that nobody else can have, hence why she is extremely possessive of Moxxie. But, the guys she encountered either cheated on her after promising that she was the one and/or roped her into a relationship by making her feel special only to quickly stop prioritizing her needs after becoming complacent in the relationship (probably what happened between her and Chaz).
Then came Moxxie, who she might not have liked at first due to his lack of confidence and softness, by Hell standards, but she fell for him after he composed and performed entire songs dedicated to her. Moxxie made Millie feel special in a way that nobody has ever made her feel before and her disappointment in him in this episode could have been not just because he’s not being supportive as a good husband should be, but because he’s not being the man that she married.
I can tell you why Millie dehumanizes Loona easily; she's a country girl. How country people and city people treat dogs is vastly different, with city people dotting on them and treating them like their kids while to country folks a dog is a dog.
And honestly I personally don't see a problem with treating dogs as you know dogs. But since loona is well loona and blitzo's kid by adoption, would be interesting to test the waters for that
Yeah that's BS. Plenty of country folk would take bullets for their dog. City people get rid of their dog practically every time they move. She just wasn't raised with the right perspective when it comes to Hellhounds, but she is learning.
@@msk-qp6fn And what is "like dogs" to you? Maybe they don't require clothes and bedtime stories but you have to treat them as *kindly* as you would treat your kids.
Now there's a weird take. Country people don't care as much about dogs as city people? Country people tend to physically work with dogs more often. That's a confusing stereotype you pulled out there.
I still haven’t seen unhappy campers because I KNOW my social anxiety will be triggered with that shit
I don't think this episode was *meant* to "fix" Millie rather perhaps more opening the door for her to be more focused on in the future
Imagine like an episode with I.M.P getting two important jobs at once, or one client asking for two separate hits, and after Moxxie's near failure in Unhappy Campers Blitz decides to separate Moxxie and Millie with either Blitz going with Moxxie or Blitz going with Millie with the other going with Loona
I think it would be cool that Millie was the one going with Blitzø and Moxxie the one going with Loona and we had a 2 parts episode where one episode is from Blitzø and Millie's perspective and explore the dynamic between them and the other episode is from Moxxie and Loona's perspective where they learn to have a better understanding of each other
One of Millie’s main points of just getting to see different sides to her was like two seconds in ‘Ex’s and Ooh’s’ when you see the shift in emotions as she thinks about Chaz. That tiny moment of catching yourself, sadness and pain, then blind rage is like 40% of her being an individual. So you’re fair in this one tbh.
I was cheering when I saw Millie get mad at moxie just so happy to see her do something other then support especially cause compromising yourself and your happiness for someone else it hurts after a while I’m gald to see she has a breaking point even with him I really hope we get to see more of her on her own
Short answer: no
long answer: we need more then one episode, especially when the a plot was a metephor for the b plot
This episode really hamfisted the "this is Millie’s time to shine for once, cause that never happens" schtick. I couldn’t tell if that was written in earnest or if it was meta commentary for how people say she never does anything.
Hmmmm maybe Unhappy Campers did give Millie some character development and her own solo song. Plus she deserves an episode surrounding her especially her backstory and everything that has happened in her life.😊👍
I personally could go for a full Millie and family episode. Just give us some major backstory, and put the rest of IMP off elsewhere, give us some of those delicious family dynamics and let Millie open up when she doesn't have to deal with Blitz, Moxxie, or Loona also being around.
It’s probably wish fulfillment, but I do hope that if Millie gets her own episode, that we can see her interact with with her siblings, or maybe just Sallie May since she was the only one established, and through that, we really focus of how Millie became herself, and we’d get to see her past.
Moxx is great, but I definitely want to see Mill have more focus around her, and those interactions with people from her past. Then maybe even show us how Moxie and Millie met.
I kind of doubt that that will happen, but I could still hope regardless xD
When I hear the debate about Millie’s character development, a common thing I often hear is the “lack of a tragic backstory” aspect. Now overcoming a conflict of some type is a pillar of character development imo, and it doesn’t always need to include an edgy tragedy to work. Happy campers was a great episode, but for every other character, we’ve got a glimpse of something they’ve had to overcome in their past. This could also work with Millie:
One of the highlights of Millie’s character is how skilled she is in combat. If we got an episode focusing on Millie’s backstory, about how hard she had to work and the adversities she had to overcome in order to get as strong as she is, I think it’d be a solid way to complete her character, at least in my opinion.
Also her dynamics with other characters (NOT MOXXIE) should be explored further. I like what they did in Truth Seekers where they paired her up with Loona to save the boys. An episode where either the A plot or B plot focuses on either Millie & Loona or Millie & Blitz or even Millie and Sally May would be super nice
Her simply being happy go lucky, kind, oblivious and annoying to some episodic character "looney tunes" style would be enough for me. (with an ounce of feels as well, mandatory)
I think that this episode is a good starting point to developing Millie. I wonder if her suprise at being seen and adored is related to her coming from such a big family, so she was probably often overlooked by her parents who had to split their attention towards the tough farm life of Wrath AND all of their other children.
I'd say it was a good first step but there's still a long way to go
Seems like there is plenty to explore with a sibling rivalry and meeting her parents expectations - I’ve always loved Millie and would love to see more of her!
This episode did a nice job of peering behind the M&M mask on Millie's part but I would love if we just had an episode on JUST MILLIE!!! Give her a family emergency, let her have a friend outside of I.M.P and they go off and do something, but anything that might give her more backstory or a more in depth look at how she feels or even her life BEFORE Moxxie🤦🏾♀️ but this episode gave us alittle started of who Millie is outside of her marriage.
We know a Sallie May episode is in the works. I’m hoping that will be THE Millie episode where we learn about her history, her relationship w/ her family, & why she is the way she is. Really, if an episode is going to focus on Millie’s siblings, I can’t think of an excuse to not include her. But, we’ll see.
I strongly agree with all that you've said. It's a step in the right direction since it recontextualizes her character pretty well and causes us to view past scenes involving her differently. I do hope for a full on Millie episode in the future.
I think it’s more noticeable since it takes months for episodes to come out and there’s so much they want to explore in such a small amount of time. I do like Unhappy Campers because it pokes holes in M&M’s dynamic that fits in to what we know in this season so far. I also like to point out that we have two and a half seasons set. I’m sure there will be more we will see from Millie. At least I hope so.
I would LOVE to see Millie and Blitz go out for a 'Girls' Night' mission.
Me too. I think it'd definetly be fun to see the contrast, since while Moxxie is still good at his job he often messes up. Meanwhile I imagine Blitz and Millie would be a well oiled machine.
@@bluebird1914 Millie and Loona go to do a girls' bonding night to get away from Blitz/moxie for a night. Blitz crashes it because of course he does; and Moxxie is just ball gagged and stuck in a closet at home the whole time.
This is such a good example of helpful criticism. It really felt like the campground episode is setting up a new foundation for Millie that they can develop further in a later episode.
I'll consider an episode a Millie episode when she gets the A plot without Moxie being involved, or being the goal/motivation. It would be difficult to do without it feeling shoehorned in, but I think it would go a long way to benefit her as a character.
I can see some potential with Millie and Luna as an A plot episode
The show made Moxxie out to be the bad guy, and they kept rubbing it in, and i think that was the problem.
Edit: just learned that Moxxie and Millie are exiting their honeymoon phase. I didn't think about that until it was pointed out in 12:39. We've only evenme seen them as this loving and supportive and occasionally lovey-dovey selves, and keep in mind, they've pnly been married for one year. It's difficult if not impossible to stay in the honeymoon phase unlesss they make compromises and sacrifices, something that only Millie has been doing and not Moxxie, ehich is where the probkem lies. Moxxie (albeit unintentionally) was all take and no give, and he needed to learn to make compromises and sacrificed for his wife just as Millie had been making compromises and sacrifices for her husband. Both spouses need to make compromises and sacrifices for all of their needs and priblems, or the relationship will not work.
I've generally liked Millie's skill and personality even if she hasn't had her own episode yet. Also, I agree in wanting to see more of Millie's relationships beyond Moxxie, notably Loona as you brought up. Because for me, one of the things I loved about S1E6 Truth Seekers is how the plot forces Loona and Millie to work as a duo to save the boys. Loona, despite her teenage apathy facade, sees Millie in distress and tries to comfort Millie and even if Millie comedicly (at the time) chews Loona out to open the portal again, I find it so fascinating of their chemistry and teamwork. Because note, Loona doesn't do something similar to asking if someone's okay until talking to Octavia, albeit, compared to Millie where Loona looked unsure of how to approach but does so anyways, Loona was more calm and had big sis vibes on her approach to calming down Octavia.
I wanna see more between Loona and Millie. Like why Millie has yet to call Loona by her name on screen and does she notice it's a dick move to just refer Loona as "hellhound"? Does Millie think it doesn't hurt and if told it does, will she shown be sorry about it? I crave for stuff like that. And also Millie and Blitzø, I imagine their relationship is causal on a level but much like the other relationships, what kind of bumps are there?
I agree this recent episode was a step in the right direction. A good seeded foundation to expand upon more about Millie in the future. Especially since, apparently, according to a Spindlehorse staff member, a flashback to how Millie and Chaz's relationship was cut in Exes and Oohs for pacing issues. It could be bundled to make a full on Millie episode or so. Giving us more bit about Millie.
Also I've been enjoying Season 2 in general, minus a lot of uproar but again, I'm liking what the show is presenting and am calmly waiting for the next episode. But if I could talk a bit on that, I wonder if some folks are a bit winded over the more occurring A and B plots we've had compared to Season 1. To which, I can see why. Either way, I cannot wait for more Helluva Boss~
Sure, Millie needs more focus but you don't need to make Moxxie a joke for the thousandth time to do it. It's about time both M and M get some much needed character development.
Do you guys remember when Blitz said in Exes and Oohs that "the babysitter will kill him if he doesn't go back"? I would love it if Millie was the babysitter and that's how she joined I.M.P. and essentially met Moxxie. A girl from the Wrath ring moved to the city to "prove herself" and find a good job. It would be kind of cliché, but it could work imo!
finally getting a glimpse of millie's struggles is very nice I would like to see an episode focused on her, and i would like to see her for an episode without being around moxxie maybe have her and blitz do an operation or maybe she has to go to her family for a time to solve an issue there is a lot they could tap into and i really hope we see that potential
I'm glad that this episode at least had her being a favorite despite being so underused in the rest of the show
While the episode doesn't fix the "Millie problem", I agree that it sets the stage for it TO BE fixed, and makes the "Millie problem" into an in-series part of her character, along with her disappointment of being viewed as little more than a killing machine.
I think this is a nice strategy that makes any eventual conflict with the other characters feel earned and justified, and may spur Millie to actively seek some her-time, either by pursuing her own ends for a change, or dealing with a distinct Millie problem, like her family (parents or Sally-May), the fallout of her getting upset (let's face it, she's bound to have tons of people that'll want a piece if her after she's rampaged (also explore what makes her upset, like why she's often way more aggressive when Moxxie isn't around)), or, the big one, just what made her not view herself as special and this overwhelming willingness to stand back and support others at the cost of her own feelings.
This episode made me so upset at moxxie that when Millie snapped I was like "YEAHHH!!!‼️‼️"
I‘m so glad someone with some actual reach finally said it: Unhappy Campers IS STILL a Moxxie episode. It‘s his arc that defines the plot. The only reason she get‘s more screen time is because she‘s the target of the day for Moxxie to project his insecurities onto. All she get‘s is one song and one scene where she gets to say two sentences about her feelings for once. Feelings that still somehow involve Moxxie. And all that while she‘s literally posing as someone else. How can this be a Millie episode when she doesn‘t even get to fully be herself for most of it?
I‘d hate for the fandom to just be satisfied with these crumbs. I agree, she doesn‘t need to have a tragic backstory or be emotionally unstable. She‘s actually wonderful as the only somewhat stable person in a cast of insecure trauma chaos. But like, EXPLORE that. Do y‘all have even the slightest idea how exhausting it must be to deal with this amount of bullshit from everyone around you, including your husband, and never get to even mention your own feelings? U think it wouldn‘t affect you if the person you love constantly talks down on themselves and seems to have this deeply rooted self hatred? And no matter what you say to them, reassure them, raise them up, support them, they never even seem to get at least a little bit more confident? That‘s not just exhausting, that‘s heart breaking. It can lead you to go right down with them into that dark spiral if you‘re not strong enough and let it get to you too much. Millie is strong in more ways than one and I want the writers to show us.
Fantastic commentary as usual!
I do agree that we need more on Millie and what her relationships are actually like outside of Moxxie, but I do gotta say that I kinda disagree on her combat/power level being inconsistent.
While I agree that it's been used to side line her somewhat, it always made sense to me because Millie has been shown to be excitable to the point of impulsive, a bit of a literal loose cannon, so to me it makes sense completely that a glass bottle or a bear trap would decommission her because it would basically get her out of her vibe and disturb her hyperfocus during a fight. And it's even more clear since she literally throws herself into battle nearly every time, not thinking things through and out of everyone she has a close combat approach (like Luna but Luna doesn't join every fight) so her getting hit and taken out makes sense then.
Plus it offers a nice contrast to Moxxie always overthinking/overplanning his every move, while she just goes with the flow/jumps all in. And unhappy campers just blasted that side of their relationship on screen for me, albeit the contrasting side of it rather than the usual complimenting one we've been getting until now.
I would fucking kill for a episode focused on Millie and loona together, they're both very emotional and impulsive temperament characters in very different ways, plus the constant casual racism she sends towards loona, especially since the only one that does it feels like a really good potential conflict between the two characters that if addressed, say it starts with loona finally reacting (which I'm honestly surprised she hasn't yet) and build off from there, exploring the why, building up both Millie and loona as individuals but creating a proper bond perhaps them learning that they can relate to eachother in many different ways and giving Millie another fleshed out relationship with a character she so desperately needs.
I think the reason Millie hasn’t had an episode is because her episode will be about how she feels ignored. This is even more reinforced by Happy Camper
It's pretty ironic that when Millie finally gets some focus, she's dressed as a guy.
You do a good job not just rehashing analysis of Millie. Not only is there a bit of new stuff about her here, but there's also a lot of examination of the type of show Helluva Boss even IS.
i agree with you in how unhappy campers is a moxie episode
when i saw unhappy campers i ended it thinking "that wasn't the millie episode was it?"
it gave her more focus yeah but it was still more about moxie. i hope millie gets her own episode about her without moxie, or minimal moxie
I am adoring the Helluva Boss content to be honest. Living for it
i love millie as a character so much and even though this isnt really what i wanted having an episode like this where you can atleast see her struggles makes me so happy :)
I think this is a good start, and I hope it’s a sign of more to come. Honestly I don’t specifically need a Millie focused episode, but I’d like it if she had an effect on the story/ strong opinions about characters that effect the dynamic. It seems right now like she just mirrors what Moxxie or Blitzø think of people but less intensely.
I agree, she definitely needs her own episode explaining where she came from. One line from Harvest Moon Festival that's always had me curious is when her mom mentions that she went freelance.
I don't like how millie is just moxxies +1, and her character is so nice and such a nice character, she deserves an episode only and only about her
She has improved and again, viv said there were multiple episodes on the way. I think this is the first of a few as she’s discovering her true self
There’s is so much potential. Having so many siblings she was bound to feel either neglected or like she was replaceable.
The only thing she’s seems to be good at is killing but everyone can do it and in the group it seems Blitzo is the best at killing.
Have hwr compare herself to Moxie and Blitzo as Moxie is artistic guy who can sing, play instruments, write songs/poetry etc. Blitzo started his own successful company.
Millie doesn’t do anything unique by wrath standards and she’s an imp so there’s that inferiority factor as well.
I definitely agree that Unhappy Campers is a good start. I personally would love to see more of her relationship with the rest of her family. An episode with her going on an adventure with her sister could be fun.
To me unhappy campers was a start, it's an episode to give hints to what her inner conflicts might be. So when the episode dedicated to her (hopefully soon) comes out, it doesn't seem out of nowhere. Though this was definitely too late in the story to happen, like if you took out the subplot of blitz looking for his sister, unhappy campers could've easier replaced season 1 episode 4
Stolas is Blitz's complicated romantic partner
Loona is Blitz's daughter
Moxxie is Blitz's co-worker
Millie is Blitz's _friend,_ really his only one when you think about it.
Moxxie is Blitzø's friend too tho
I just realized something, is she just one of those characters that are just there, it happens a lot and shows there's just a character that's there. They are main character, but nothing really is ever done with them, they have stuff about them, and we do learn some things, but at the end of the day, they don't get really anything sometimes they might have some small parts in episodes like take Lily from modern family. She was a baby for the chunk of it, but even when she became a teenager, they didn't do anything with her, in fact, she never actually. Had her own episode like a lot of other characters
I wanna know how she met moxxie, her childhood, story with Chaz, how she met bliz, they way she feels inside, EVERYTHING
I think it was intresting to see a new side of Millie, but tbh it came out of nowhere for me-
I remember watching the episode and just thinking to myself as it was playing the credits "Is this supposed to be *the* Millie episode? The episode that's supposed to "fix" our perception of her?" Cuz this was once again Blitz and Moxxie with a dash of Millie.
Millie just feels like an example to me of a problem I see with how some women in media are written where as soon as you are part of a relationship its no longer your story. You are now a supporting memeber of his story. She has to play the supporting roll of being the wife. This is of course not 100%, and there are many examples of it in other ways, naturally, but I notice it sometimes being shunted to "the wife" or "the mom" roll and dynamic characters are for spouces or children. Like it happens just enough in media to be annoying even if it's not all the time, and I want to love Helluva Boss more, but Millie feels like the character I would relate to the most out of everyone, but I wish I could know if they would focus on her.
To quote a character from The Incredibles (2004) on my reaction to Unhappy Campers from Season 2 of Helluva Boss...
"I'm not happy, Bob. NOT happy."
Millie has a lot of potential as a character. I really liked this episode bc even if it wasn’t a full on Millie episode we still got a glimpse of more to her character. I’d absolutely love more episodes of her. Maybe a Blitzø and Millie episode, where we get a backstory with them and more Millie development. I’d absolutely love to watch that
Hopefully we'll get more Millie development this season, but from what I remember, there's only one or two episodes left, so it's not likely.
I liked this episode because it gives us more light on how Millie feels. After watching your video I realized there is even more to that.
I thought you'd also bring up how "The Millie Episode" was focused on her disguise on earth, compared to everyone else's episode which were themselves in hell.
I heard we're getting 4 seasons (12 total in Season 2), so I'm sure we'll have more Millie-centered episodes.
Finally someone admitting that this was still a Moxie episode! I was starting to gaslighting myself into accepting that it is a Millie episode because everyone else says that. Now I can just keep my initial opinion! yuppieeee
My theory is that crimson is not just moxxies dad but strikers too. I think he might've slept with a loan shark and threw her away in wrath where he picked up moxxies mom after she got preg cause he didn't want a hybrid dragging his name down. If you put striker, moxxie, and crimson all next to each other you cant say there no resemblance especially in the horns and Fizzipop DID say that Striker is half imp. I really hole this kdea gains traction.
Barbie Wire has more motivation for her screen time than Millie got combined through the series.
It's a matter of when I think