How Modern Minecraft's Music Reflects Its Flaws
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- In this video, I will go over how I think the new music being created for Minecraft reflects the way the game is changing, maybe not in a good way. I know it's been too long since my last upload but what are ya gonna do
Topics discussed in this video: Minecraft, Minecraft Music, Minecraft Soundtrack, Minecraft OST, OST, C418, Lena Raine, Minecraft Songs, Sweden, Gaming, Gaming 2024, Minecraft Update, Minecraft Tricky Trials, Minecraft Caves and Cliffs, Minecraft Trails and Tales, Minecraft Wild Update, Minecraft Music Discs, MC, and funky mushrooms ;) 
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1:12 Weren't beds added in Beta 1.3?
holy shit, you're right. I swear I heard somewhere that they came after that, I have a beta 1.7.10 world I've been playing for a while and never tried to make a bed because I thought you couldn't 💀. Still, the other points I made about the difficulty at night and the general aesthetic changes still stand, even if the night is skippable in the beta version i've been playing. After all, some people prefer to go even earlier. mb about the mistake though
@@funkymushroom is beta 1.7.10 even a real version? pretty sure beta 1.7.3 was as high as beta 1.7.x ever got, and only the full release made it to 1.7.10
@@MuzikBike stop, stop, he's already dead! I must be genuinely schizophrenic or something
@@funkymushroom Do you mean release 1.7.10???
@@CaveStoryBetaFan117 no, I play beta 1.7.3, i just got the numbers mixed up
Modern Minecraft feels very corporate, every new addition is very safe and lacks creativity such as with Turtles or Armadillos, hell, Mojang even choice not to include fireflies because they thought the mechanic of frogs eating them would be harmful!
lol the fireflies thing still pisses me off to this day
That's mainly because of stinky Microsoft, and not a fault of Mojang
@@funkymushroom Same.
@@Guhgubba No, it's partly Microsofts fault, but Mojang is bar none the single most incompetent studio currently owned by Microsoft, they've fallen off. Minecraft got big on consoles because of 4J Studios, not Mojang. Hell Mojang RARELY did any major work on the game BEFORE the buyout. Notch did a LOT of the work himself. Mojang were really there mostly for Quality and Assurance testing.
@@megaman37456 'RVKE
Notch might not be the best person but he knows how to make a damn good game and he did just that. Weather anybody likes it or not Minecraft would be better with him.
I feel like Lena rains overworld tracks just dont sound like minecraft music.
Unlike c418s tracks they tend to not blend in to the background wile playing instead the sometimes seem so loud and in your face it sometimes becomes distracting.
Another critique i have is that it also sounds to emotional compared to the original tracks. They often sound like they want you to feel sad or happy. C418s overworld music gave of more ambiguous feelings allowing players to interpret them there own thoughts and feelings.
Im not saying all her tracks are bad but i feel like she isn't suited in trying to emulate C418 overworld music.
She should try to stick to making non overworld tracks. Her music is at her best when in a unfamiliar environment like the nether and ancient citys were there are basically no references from C418 to base off of. I also have no issues with the music disks because they are optional to listen to.
In the future mojang should stop trying to cram in new music in to the overworld because it dilutes the concentration of the original tracks playing. They should instead only add new music in completely new areas like a updated end or new dimension because those areas allow for lena rain to have full creativ freedom.
When Haggstrom starts playing, I can either sit down and listen to it, or keep doing whatever I was doing while listening to it.
When Left to Bloom starts playing, I have to stop playing because it kept hitting me right in the feels, making me miss a childhood that never actually happened, a friend that I didn't really have, or an item that I lost in the End.
Those tracks made by Lena Raine are really good; just that they are so intrusive for gameplay, like you've said.
I love Lena Raines music especially in celeste but I do agree with you, Lena Raines music definitely doesn't have that same feel of c418.
I think each composer makes good music, but they have different styles. These different styles can clash together. Lena’s music is too complex and feels like it is meant for chaotic RPG. To each their own I suppose, but I am glad I can access older versions of the game.
Most companies don’t officially allow you to access older versions.
so are you saying that Lena's soundtrack doesnt sound minecrafty ? well then i need you to go touch grass(play minecraft) more so you could feel it, Lena and Aaron never make me disappointed, their music is still sound minecraft
@@vusherman1125 listen I played the game ever since the 360 era and still play a good amount today so I have had more then enough time to listen to her tracks.
Her tracks sound and feel different.
This dosint mean they are bad but that there is a noticeable difference in tone and vibe between her and C418s music.
Her tracks feel way more emotional like for example left to bloom which seemingly wants you to feel in awe/buty.
Most of C418s tracks rarely sounded as emotional as her tracks leaving it more up to player to give the tracks a interpretation of thiere own.
I feel like while a lot of old minecraft's music is a lot more simplistic to it's benefit, the modern ost is a lot more musically interesting. It's like your mom's homecooked meals vs a really good quality gourmet meal. sure the gourmet one makes sense as to why it tastes good, something about your mom's cooking is calming and brings you back to a time where things were simple.
I have to disagree. On an objective level, yes, the new music is a lot more dynamic, but I think if you take a step back, the old music is a lot more interesting in the grand scheme of things. When I hear modern minecraft music, I hear Zelda, Sonic Frontiers, and every other AAA Open world game, there are moments here and there that come close to what C418 did, especially on the Nether Update OST, and I think giving full creative control for the music discs was brilliant, but the new music just sounds more generic to me.
The old stuff is more musically complex though, maybe its the familiarity we all have by now which tells us otherwise
gourmet isn’t always good
@@themc3140 I dunno...modern minecraft sounds very different from Zelda and Sonic Frontiers and has it's own nice feel to it. I wouldn't say they sound generic, they sound pretty good really, really both are good really.
@@a-ramenartist9734 Eh...you sure it's more complex? I don't see it really.
I actually feel like old Minecraft music *was* made for the player. It was made for whatever you happen to be doing, mining, crafting, or exploring. What makes the old music feel out of place now is that the new music isn’t meant for the player. It’s meant for the world. All the new music is biome-specific and conveys a mood for that biome, like one of the new songs, “deeper”, only playing in the deep dark. (sorry for yapping)
EXACTLY! I facepalmed when I found out they added biome-specific music. This illustrates the difference very well.
It is worth mentioning that C418 did have to compose for the world a bit, though. Specifically the End and Nether, but he took things in a very interesting direction. His nether music feels like it illustrates what a wasteland the nether is, as well as the desolate lives the mobs there lead. (Which obviously doesn't really apply to it anymore)
The End especially is interesting, and I think it really illustrates the difference between C418's Music and the new Music. I can't think of another composer who would turn the final area music into a weird meta narrative audio play of sorts that seemingly ties into the message of the end poem. I wouldn't be surprised if his end music is removed outright when an end update does come around.
@@themc3140 I doubt they’ll remove it, but will likely overload the End with new tracks instead. I love the new songs, but the only composer that has even came close to C418’s musical ideas is Kumi Tanokia. Her music fits in the overworld no matter what you’re doing, I hope she does music for the End update if it happens.
Yeah, thats what felt wrong for me since the minecraft music was originally made to be played randomly in any time of the game
It's hilarious how people think that biome-specific songs are bad. And they are the same people that think Terraria is better than Minecraft too! Terraria's OST is *SOLELY* made out of biome and boss-specific tracks!
@@NickAndriadze Terraria is a different game, though. Biome-specific tracks make sense there. Terraria is much more traditional, its progression is a lot more complex and important to the game than Minecraft's progression, and bosses/combat are tied to that progression. Because of that, even though the game has similar systems to Minecraft at a first glance, the game has a pretty good idea what you'll be doing at any given time and scores the areas accordingly. Minecraft, on the other hand, is much more tailored to what the player wants to do, its progression is only a part of the bigger picture, and it has no idea what you'll be doing at any given time. As such, C418's music feels like it scores your memories rather than the game itself.
I also noticed that the new musics starts immediately while playing. With old musics, their volume increase as they come from nowhere. Here, music triggers too suddenly.
Maybe it's why.
Old music does not fit minecraft because it was made for a lonely sandbox
Modern music does not fit because it was made for a minecraft themed rpg,not minecraft. at least it feesl like it
Old music doesn't fit new Minecraft. New music doesn't fit Minecraft at all.
New music is way too conventional and generic
I doesn't have that weird feel to it
Yea, but all the music that doesnt really fit, is all contained within music discs. The new ambience music fits well, but as the video said, the old music stands out in modern versions because it was basically made for a different atmosphere/game. Yea, new disc music doesnt have that weird feel to it, but that's for the same reason as the new ambience.
perhaps someone can make a mod or modpack that adds alot into classic minecraft, like the modern versions, but keeps things in the realm of the atmosphere instead of changing it?
idk about u guys but to me the old music still fits well.
I dunno I think they're both great
There's another thing about the old minecraft music that made it so magical. It is peaceful and calm, but it has a sense of melancholy to it. As you mentioned, in old minecraft there are no structures, no villagers, multiplayer wasn't released yet, you are completely alone with the exception of some animals and some monsters. It perfectly encapsulates what it was like to play minecraft by yourself, it is an escape to a world that is peaceful and beautiful, but at the same time empty and alone, especially with the incredible scale of a minecraft world. Another thing I noticed is the sense of mystery in the tracks. Most notably, the second half of "Mice on Venus". One thing you mentioned is how alien the old minecraft versions feel, with the sharp color palettes and surreal terrain generation. C418's tracks have a sense of mystery because you don't know what is out there, again with the world being huge, but there's the beauty of exploring this strange world and finding out.
In modern minecraft, there's recipe books, structures everywhere, information is much more prevalent nowadays with the online world, and that sense of mystery is almost completely gone. The new minecraft tracks are, like you mentioned, catered to this more comfortable and lively world, and I think that's why the old minecraft tracks don't seem to fit in a modern minecraft world.
I mean is it gone? The online information was there back then as well, structures just add more questions then anwers really too.
I think both can fit, both are peaceful and comforting but kinda mysterious in a way.
I completely agree that the old songs song like there could be anything out there is just something about the old ones that the new ones just don’t have
You know, I actually really respect that you mentioned that you enjoy new versions and the new music too. People seem to like picking sides and then hating on the new versions/music, but, as someone who loves playing both release 1.21 and Beta 1.7.3, I love both versions and think they're both awesome. After all, they're both Minecraft. I think Mojang does a great job with modern Minecraft, and I don't think that you have to hate on new Minecraft to be able to also enjoy old Minecraft. Both are great.
exactly they're both good just different games the problem comes with people expecting the game to keep the same feel despite the many updates
@@funkymushroomproblem was, the old trailer would state “no one can tell you what to do” now the values have changed to where they the game tells you what you can and can’t do.
@@keanes8608where does the game tell you what you can and can’t do?
@@oliverplougmand2275 this! i feel like so many people get stuck in the mindset of feeling forced to do things a certain way, be it because of the clear-cut advancements, their previous habits of playing, or most notably because the community has kind of advertised a certain style or path as being the 'correct' or 'best'. the whole appeal of minecraft is that you can do things in whatever way you want! the reason people enjoy doing challenges of the game with arbitrary restrictions is *because* it forces you to drop all your previous ideas of right and wrong and think abstractly about how to manage. to any friends reading dont be afraid to toss aside your usual playstyle and just try something new and different! worse comes to worst you dont stick with it, minecraft is beautiful because of the malleability to empowers you with :3
never stop changing! :)
We have to applaud Mojang's decision to keep every single version of the game available to be installed at any time. It's one of the very few games that does this. Choice rejoice!
ive never got why people call the newer versions complicated, yea theres a lot there if you look from above but when you actually play you dont have to interact with any of it
i feel part of why people call new updates "directionless" is that preserve that, nothing new is required, structures only require the gear you deem fit for them and arent involved in grand scheme fetch quests.
in comparison to old mincraft, new mincraft is pretty complex. mostly because older vesions are just so very much simpler.
@@aheadsounds2522 i don't think either are bad but all I've been able to guess is maybe some people they can't tune out stuff they aren't interested in with the new version. Not like it matters the launcher lets you play all versions for a reason and it's cool older ones still get love.
Music like stal and the og music goes so hard and my boy C418 made the most nostalgic soundtrack ever then was never talked about again
yeah nobody talks about c418. in other news, i am deaf
wdym no one ever talks about c418?? also pigstep wasn’t made by him
pigstep wasnt made by c418???
@@God_Father_of_Jesus no he made all the og background music and chirp and stal though
I just realized the way I worded the comment made it sound like I thought he did lol
LISTEN TO HIS OTHER MUSIC THE JOURNEY MUSTN'T END HERE
My take on modern vs old Minecraft is that, despite not having a unified art style, old MC *felt* more cohesive than modern MC. Pre-Adventure Update, most of the game's mechanics were simple and intuitive; food heals hearts, tools have durability, fishing gives fish. However, how these mechanics interacted with each other was where you'd start to see complexity. Redstone was (and still largely is) like this: a bunch of simple mechanics that, when combined, can make literal computers. Now, health is healed indirectly by a hunger bar (half of which is invisible), tools can have numerous enchantments using a convoluted enchantment system (durability can even be nullified!), and fishing (even post nerf) can give genuine treasure items. I think if Notch had simply expanded older mechanics (like food healing hearts), Minecraft could've kept that spirit. Also, post-Notch, the structure-vomit that is modern Minecraft really undermines the game's original melancholic and lonely feel.
Maybe you like boring and melancholic vibes in general
You know you can still return to previous versions on Java too right? You can't expect this game to stay the same forever
Yeah I tend to play with music turned off in the newer versions. Not only do I personally not enjoy the newly added music, but the original soundtrack feels so out of place in the modern games. The old music really just doesn’t fit in at all with the new music.
My issue is that the newer music is physically louder than older tracks on bedrock. Like I either have to keep volume low and only get good sounding new tracks, or keep it higher and get deafened. I usually just keep it off atp.
tbh I didn't even realize they kept changing the music because i always kept it off and played songs from my playlist, whenever i play Minecraft alone i always get a feeling of dread but listening to my favorite songs helps get rid of that feeling
@@emb3r371 you can make the feeling of dread worse by listening to GY!BE
can relate tho i use to find it hard to play minecraft cause it'd feel like something was there it's weird
@@cincinnati4391options menu i think
@@emb3r371ohh wowww, man youuuUu must try to play Minecraft for a week with all of the in-game music (at what ever the default volume is) turned on!
For me and many others, the music is a integral part of the Minecraft experience. Especially since so many of us have been playing before v1.2, so after all of these years the music is part of our nostalgia (even if we don't consciously realizing it).
It's this feeling that we have after playing Minecraft for so many years (and in some years not playing the game at all), a sense of familiarity, missing a friend that we never had or longing for something that never actually excited. I think it's like, us wanting to be back in that time and era of our lives.
Cheers mate!
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other missing point which i am sure everyone will agree is game's core mechanics are fairly easy
you can get your first diamond by the day one and overlook all the newly added stuff like copper. they try to make end game harder by adding mobs like Warden or structures like Trial Chambers but it's not it. it's the core mechanics and surviving is what easy
yeah you can literally be set within like 1 or 2 days with no fear of death. there's not really a focus on "survival" despite what the mode claims
And the one recent thing that did make the core mechanics more difficult, the Phantoms, were universally hated
Ok, but regardless of old/new preference... can we all agree it's kinda shitty that C418 basically got cut out mid-album and his third album never even made it into the game?
And it’s all because Microsoft wants all the rights to the music. Not just the rights to use it in the game and for promotional materials, but every possible usage.
"It used to be so simple.
It was a world I understood.
I didn't know what I didn't know,
and life seemed pretty good."
As someone elsewhere put it, I imagine a big part of why people might not jive as much with the newer music is due to the fact that they didn’t grow up with it
When you hear the old music it’s not just the music talking but the good, simpler times you remember attached to them
It’s like audible nostalgia and I like that they didn’t remove it from the game
Cause sometimes, when you’re late into a map and you stop when the first few notes of a song you memorized in childhood started playing, it’s nice to just stop and remember how far you’ve come - and how much farther you can go
Old music had a simple motive, and because of this it was better remembered.
At least for me, C418's more recent works for Minecraft for example in the update aquatic still invoke *that* feeling, so it's definitely not *just* nostalgia. There is something else.
@@TheNeverPoet Hrm - I suppose it could also be that there isnt a good answer for everyone.
Some people just genuinely prefer C418's style more, etc etc
@@TheNeverPoet Yeah for real, even non minecraft stuff like One really blew my mind. He has a certain style that brings an adventurous, melancholy, and yes very nostalgic feeling that nobody can truly replicate. Plus his ability to use leitmotifs is truly unmatched.
Nah. I was not a child when I first got minecraft, and I never used to play with the music off. Turned down some, yes, but never just off.
Now, I never have the music on.
It's too intrusive. It's too loud. It's too complex. It's too big. It's too there.
When it plays, I don't feel like this lone person stranded in a giant world that I'm slowly and carefully carving a niche into, I feel like a man sitting at his desk playing a video game. I am reminded by the sudden and jarring interruption by this loud, complex musical piece that I am playing a video game.
Like, old minecraft used the music as a garnish. It was mostly one dude tapping keys on a piano. Musically, he was as alone as you were physically. And if you genuinely didn't want to be piano plink plonked at in the moment, you could pause, turn the music down, then turn it back up, and the track would have ceased, the piano fairy quietly backing away so you could have silence. In new minecraft, you can't do this anymore. Once a track starts, that track will not stop playing, volume be damned. The orchestra on your back might be muted, but they care not for your desire to be left alone in the moment. They will keep at their instruments until the ogg file's runtime is up.
I came into this expecting a 27 minute essay and got jumpscared by the conclusion (i forgot to look at the length of the vid this time round)
You’re right, Old Minecraft always had that mysterious feeling of being minuscule compared to new minecraft is like walking down a beaten path without much out there if that makes any sense.
This is one of the best critiques of minecraft I have ever heard. You really hit the nail on the head on what made Minecraft feel like Minecraft. It really is like the music is just emanating from somewhere
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@@thehustle-6142 indeed
The big thing for me is the amount of *repetition* in the new Minecraft music. C418's tracks were always moving, sometimes in very strange ways. Mice on Venus and Blind Spots for example have some pretty big tone shifts in their runtime, and Strad, which has a consistent sound throughout, jumps between a handful of melodic ideas. Meanwhile, the new music is fine with repeating a singular phrase ad nauseum, and having predictable conclusions. Otherside, Relic, and Comforting Memories exemplify this the best. The same sound, the same melodic idea, and a very simple journey. They sound really quite close to pop music.
The only new track I can really praise is Ancestry because it does its job in the game phenomenally.
I feel like a lot of the old songs seem to kinda switch to a different song in the middle of one song, which I love. They feel like they are constantly changing and adapting and it’s amazing. But also, a majority of songs keep a consistent theme to maintain a structure in the song, I don’t think a song keeping a consistent melody is something bad. Both old and new themes in minecraft are amazing in their own right. Also I have no idea how the songs sound like pop songs, idk what pop songs you are listening to form that connection.
YES. Old Minecraft music not only functions as ambient tracks, but is actually worth a listen on its own as an album. New stuff is just predictable, repetitive noise meant to fill a void.
Honestly the entire reason why i like minecraft is because of the struggle. It really made it feel like a survival game, where your working to beat the odds, instead of some rpg game where your goal is quests and bosses. I'm not old enough to of grown up with the beta, but 1.7-1.12 keeps that feeling.
I don't see how not being old enough to have grown up with beta is a reason to not try it out. I started with legacy console edition, and the first java edition version I played was 1.13 I think. Now I've started playing lightly modded beta 1.7.3, and it's my favorite version, unlike other versions, in it I'm really motivated to build. In the launcher you just have to go to settings and toggle "Show historical versions of Minecraft: Java Edition in the Launcher". Afterwards, you can play any version of the game.
@@vinsplayer2634 I have tried beta. And truly its not my thing. And thats probably because i didnt grow up with it.
@@bigearsinc.7201 Oh, ok. That's fine too.
If you like the survival struggle, try Vintage Story! It brought back the magic of playing Minecraft for the first time and has some truly mindblowingly in depth survival mechanics. The struggle against the world never ends, even in end game territory you are nowhere near invincible.
I know some people will say it’s because we are growing up and that we only liked it because we were kids but that isn’t the case. I first played Minecraft on Java at update 1.5 with the redstone update. I went back to that version and I’ve started to enjoy playing again.
A buddy of mine started playing at 1.7 with the introduction of new world generation and he’s been playing on a world for a year and a half and has over 400 hours on that world alone.
It isn’t because we are getting older(kinda), it’s because Minecraft is getting older and also turning into a different lesser version of Minecraft. It’s going form a sandbox game into an exploration game. Instead of being pushed to make a big kingdom in one spot and having the optional choice of exploring, now we are being forced to explore even if we don’t want to. Need material? Welp gotta go below y 0, need to get mending (in the villager rebalance update coming out) then you need to go make a swamp village (yup you have to MAKE a swamp village not just finding one). Before exploring was optional but now it’s mandatory.
Also back in 1.5 there was a lot less blocks to build with, which did hold the games potential back. But now there’s too many blocks to build with, which is holding the game back even more. Now there’s a dozen types of stones and woods, now there several different dirt/sand blocks. It’s overwhelming for new players.
I’ve been teaching my younger cousin how to play minecraft and he would get the hang of it but then would get confused with the building blocks and how to build and even with how to get better tools.
Overall Minecraft is being forced into a box of “exploration game” instead of being a sand box game.
Jetstarfish made a video on Minecraft’s exploration problem. And I think he makes a good point. Instead of having an item or block that’s in a specific place that the player has to look for. Have an item or block that is more common in that specific place. For example. With the villager trade rebalance. Instead of having swamp villagers be the only villager to trade for mending. Have swamp villagers have a higher chance of trading for mending. Other villagers can still give you mending. But it won’t be as common.
As for all the building blocks. I’m not sure. I think the game should recommend what building blocks you could use. And you could challenge yourself by only using those blocks.
@@lucasmatthiessen1570 part of me wishes that they would give us a planner system with builds where we can change the resources and it’ll make an outline of that.
I’m horrible at building so having a guide that’s built in would be nice. Or even a color palette guide
@@IamPotion just do wat i do (be shit at builds)
Well I see what you mean but I actually enjoy this new exploration system. Kinda reminds me of Terraria :)
@@imperadorchin3099 I like it to because if I’m ever in the mood for exploration then I can. But at the same time we are being forced to explore against our will. We have no voice or choice.
So Mojang is punishing players for not wanting to explore.
Beta reborn is one of my favorite things to play in MC because it meshes the modern features of current MC with the nostalgia of beta MC
I love how 50% of Minecraft videos I see are just "Minecraft sucks now because of this meaningless reason." And everyone in the comments mindlessly agrees. Minecraft is still great. Don't let your nostalgia ruin it for you.
I don't have nostalgia for Beta, I didn't play that version when it was originally out. I'm just doing an analysis of the difference between the two from a (somewhat) outside perspective
was mid and still mid
@@danita122Nuh uh
i can imagine u clicking on this video, pausing 2 seconds in, commenting this and closing the video with a big smug face
Like, no hate to the artists, Lena’s pig step is genuinely a banger but if you’re an anti C418 supremacist I’m going to have a problem with that.
breh why this channel have no subs for such good content. keep it up bro.
yes it is so good and im saying that becuse i know him
funky musroom
i plan to👍
I think the new music is way too upbeat like a spotify playlist instead of the relaxing and thoughtful soft piano or synthesizer, nowadays its just a random mix of upbeat tunes that are always too intense or do not fit the atmosphere at all.
i miss the old terrain tho... 1.18 was supposed to change "caves and cliffs" not the entire terrain generation. i love the unrealistic old terrain bc it allowed for more creative builds. the new terrain feels so open and flat and makes it harder to find that one spot that you builds your base at
real. if i wanted to see terrain that was exactly like earth i could just go outside💀
Just play older versions
@@pineapple-gw2hhwhile I agree, bedrock players don’t have that luxury.
nice video! its not as much of a ramble about things wrong with minecraft as it is a unique observation about the change in atmosphere
What would be cool is if the center of the map was more user/player/music friendly while the further out you explore from spawn slowly became more classic Minecraft style in both music and terrain generation; a way to increase player interest and possibly increase difficulty.
as a musicologist i love the new music because i feel like it compliments my gameplay a bit more, but the old music did a good job of contradicting the vibe so you remember the music and the moments more, and also does add to the loneliness feeling by making the music a different mood to what you were feeling
@brycel6661 if I wanted to listen to a cheap rpg I'd pulled up yt innthe background
Beta 1.7.3 I feel more encouraged to build, Modern versions I just farm everything and anything
I HATE FARMING I HATE FARMING YOU WILL NEVER SEE ME DOING AN AUTOMATIC FARM
has always been my mindset, and you can very much play the game that way if you enjoy the exploration grind
What i love about c416 music is that one emotion of, "what now? Theres so many things i can do" feeling and overwhelming but comfort feeling of endless creativity
Same goes to old songs, they too reflect Old Minecraft Flaws, they sound simple, maybe too simple and yet mystical, intriguing and unknown.
This is a very good assessment. I feel bad criticizing the new music, because the current musicians are absolutely talented, and there are some tracks in there that I do really enjoy, but a lot of it just feels so generic and forced. it's very often that I'll hear a part in a song and be like "Oh, yeah, that sounds like a reference to when C418 did that in a song... Except it made a lot more sense there." And besides moments like that, it's just kind of... Open world music. It's what a modern player who has never played minecraft before would expect to hear from it.
Something that doesn't help my enjoyment of the new OST is the treatment of C418. Given what a certain other studio that Microsoft owns now did, he wasn't done too dirty in the grand scheme of things, but because of Microsoft's inability to let the artists own their music, there is a whole album of minecraft music that we will probably never hear. This is especially upsetting, because the way C418 handled his albums is part of what makes minecraft music so special, imo.
It's incredibly rude to say, because I love video game music and believe it's art, but the best way I can illustrate the difference is that C418's music feels like a standalone piece of art that was used in a game, wheras the new music just sounds like game music.
Creator: “I’m about to ruin this man’s whole career.”
real bro i'm not a huge fan of the new updates music
lol
Creator isn’t for Minecraft tho. Mc music is supposed to be dreamy and unreal but creator is clear and HAS A GUITAR WHICH DOESNT FIT A CALM GAME
@@frog72Who said that minecraft was supposed to be dramy?
@@frog72Midwest emo Minecraft OST remix has electric guitar and it feels perfect
Something important I think should be mentioned: Lena Raine's music is also overtaking Minecraft. You can almost never hear C418's original OST anymore because they keep adding more and more tracks to the game from Raine's palette. It's just too much at this point.
I remember playing on new world and I was feeling really down, trying to recapture what old Minecraft felt like. But then one of the new songs came on and I realized the Minecraft I know, love, and wanted is gone. This is the game now.
man this is sad. it feels same as how you see the world more vibrant when you were a child
Go back to beta, try a branch mod like Better than Adventure or reindev. I wasn't even around for the beta/alpha versions of the game, I started playing around 1.6/1.7, but playing a more pure version of minecraft really did it for me.
You can always play the old versions, just go to settings and toggle "Show historical versions of Minecraft: Java Edition in the Launcher". Then create a new installation with any version you'd like.
Try Vintage Story, it really captivated me with the feeling of learning a whole new world again. And best of all, its still indie, and has truly found its aesthetic.
“it’s a testimony to the humanities ability to find love even in the most unfamiliar places” wow
You can do everything you like to do in beta on the new Minecraft, no one ks forcing you to play in a way that isn't fun just because it gives you more iron
That’s like if someone moved a bunch of chairs and tables into your house and said “You can still move around the new stuff, no one is forcing you to use it”
@@cara-seyun the new stuff is actually useful and interesting, it just doesn't remove the old things nor makes them harder to obtain
Are you really gonna say that sprinting ruins the game?
@@diamondmemer9754 no, I’m not one of those “old stuff good, new stuff bad” people
I like some of the new stuff. Sprinting, swimming, elytra, observers, even the new nether biomes.
But it’s stupid to say that the new stuff has no effect on the game whatsoever. Especially the new world generation. I’d accept everything else if there were a way to toggle older world generation.
@@cara-seyun technically speaking you can generate a world in one version and then update it into a newer version, and every area where you've been already will have the old generation, albeit without the new structures
Besides that, what I meant is that the new stuff, if you don't care about it, affects the game so little that if there's even a single thing added by any update that you like it's still more worth it to play the newer update
Also I personally find the new world generation way better but I guess that's a matter of opinion
1.21's music feels like a mix between the old Minecraft of C418 and the new of Lena Raine Aaron Cherof and Kumi Tanioka. Nearly the whole soundtrack sound like it's either been produced by the world itself or people who have long left it. The common use of hangdrums and chimes reminds me of C418's work while it's abandoned structures remind me of the mineshafts and spawners of old. The trial chambers might spring to life when you come across them, but the only life you are met with are spiders, slimes, Breezes, silverfish and the undead.
you know, ive tried, ive studied c418's music
it is just so gottamn special, c418's music does feel very alien, and it was never strictly calming, sometimes it was silly, or less atmospheric. good analysis
This is really well made and accurately sums up the significance of minecrafts music, and only in 4 minutes too, the old soundtrack felt almost mysterious, playing whenever it felt like (ik its like sun down and sunrise that plays songs but it really does feel random (legacy console plays music constantly)) and almost always feeling like it fits what you're doing despite the song, again, being picked at random, the new music fits the updates sure, but with so many biome-specific songs, it takes away from the random charm of the older music, playing whenever and still somehow fitting in
This change from simplistic to curated seems inevitable.
When your game grows more and more popular, your fanbase grows bigger and bigger. As your game gets older, you start adding more updates to it. Simplicity simply goes away over time as you add more and more content.
I don't think it is fair of us to say that old Minecraft has been "lost" to us(Not trying to imply that was what you were saying in your video), rather it is more accurate to call it a phase of the game. We enjoyed it while it lasted but we moved onto bigger things.
I'm currently playing the first full release version 1.0 and I've been having a lot of fun in the simplicity! But sometimes I yearn for more complex and interactive gameplay and I go back to 1.21.
"can;'t sprint" is a plus. sprint mechanics are one of the dumbest things the medium has widely adopted. they make walking a chore
What the flip is beta 1.7.10 💀
Hey. Thanks for making this video. I will say that i personally love all that mojang and minecraft do, and I love the new music found today, but this is a very accurate analysis of it. It's really nice to see music get more attention, in a game with such a massive fanbase. ❤
I liked the nether update music, probably because of the nether already having a vibe shift, but the caves and cliffs additions felt... Wrong?
Nether music is SO LOUD it makes you frustrated, you can't even focus on anything due to how loud the music is.
@@Iam_proud_Homophobic there's literally a option to low it
@sleepydafastboi no removal toggle
Older versions of MC weren't that much "alien" compare to Modern ones, it only feels this way due to how majority of players sees them nowadays.
We talking about the difference between just a couple tens of thousands that lived through Classic, Indev/Infdev, Alpha and Beta versions VS dozens of millions that started in versions post-release 1.7, and because of that - ALOT of people were confused of why some preferred older versions so bad.
I completely discontinued playing in versions after 1.16.5 myself, and after some time - rolled back to 1.12.2, because not only the game is bloated, but its just straight impossible to make the game look original anymore, even that same release 1.12.2 has one of the largest modding support of them all, and even being the only best choise for retrofication - its still difficult to make it retro, but if you go above that - majority of industrial mods simply ceased or got completely replaced by something else, and the style is so far from origins - its more worth making RPG/enhanced vanilla ways than anything else, otherwise the game feels SUPER raw.
All of the non C418 you can tell that the composers were trying to emulate the "classic Minecraft music" style instead of just... creating something peaceful and beautiful like C418 did. And it comes off as trying too hard.
Yeah. The only one I give a full pass to is Lena Raine for the Nether music. Absolutely phenomenal mood setting for an absolutely phenomenal new Nether.
I guess. The main gimmick of minecraft music is the piano. Almost every single old minecraft music piece has a piano and that what makes it stand out. But what made it interesting was the unexpected additional electronic music in the background. Listen to the electronic music used in Mice on Venus or the festive mash up pack music. It's weird and it makes the music feel weird, but it fit that weird world you were in.
I hard disagree with this. I think it’s really unfair to those composers to assume they’re just trying to copy C418 when they’ve proven themselves to be extremely competent.
Some of the new songs are actually really good imo
@@TheGeekFactor_ hey it's the geek factor. love your videos bro
Only issue I have with the New Music is the fact that it's distracting. Often or not I pause to think. So I lose focus on the task at hand.
I loved Whitelights video on it.
To me, old minecraft was when I first started playing which was 1.7, the version before they added rabbits in 1.8 and the longest wait for an update which was 1.9 combat update.
Comparing 1.7-1.9 to Minecraft now, I can still say that the vibes are quite different also because of the music.
There's so much stuff while my knowledge is still stuck in 1.9
2:11 opposite way for me honestly
I still think the newer minecraft music is like the old music sometimes. The whole alien music thing is definetely what volume alpha sounds like but not really volume beta imo. Volume beta is a lot less simple and empty and the new music is pretty good at recreating the sound of that. I just wish the new composers made more of the empty and simple sounding songs from volume alpha. Other than that i love the new music, featherfall is a banger
my perspective on modern minecraft is definitely nostalgic, but the issue comes mostly from the dynamics of the mechanics added in each update. old mc updates often added things that were built around working with the systems already in place. newer updates tend to include entirely new systems that all exist for the sole reason of crafting one or two new items (take netherrite for example, you need to craft a recipe with its ores before then using a new item made specifically for combining netherrite with diamond gear which is the only ore that works like this)
i feel the perceived need for newer and bigger additions push mc away from simple yet deep mechanics.
tldr: old mc has a few mechanics which are really deep, new mc adds many mechanics that are (imo) shallow
Minecraft becoming the most popular game was one of the worst things to ever happen to Minecraft. The thing that made me realise this was when I was playing 1.18 and tried to get a warden spawn egg, I just realised I wasn’t playing modern Minecraft, after around a month.
Early in Minecraft history, the game got frequent updates only later on 1.7-1.9 begin to slow down with updates.
What's weird is that I played Minecraft version that's after the beta(aka sprint and food bar) but way, WAY before the new stuff. My version didn't have the shield or new combat system, or netherite or new music or new biomes.
It's basically Beta Minecraft but with sprint, food bar, some structures like desert sand castle and I think witch hut and that's it.
I exclusively avoid a lot of the automated stuff that you can do in Minecraft because it quite literally takes away from the world. Takes me an hour to set up a completely automatic crop farm that can give me unlimited XP and riches with absolutely no effort. There’s nothing else to strive for with things like this in the game, it’s WAY too easy
anyone notice the zombie textures is zombie steve... we have no zombie in alex clothes or any of the obscure nobody additions that nobody uses. aka canonically alex and the other freaks dont exist and was a copout and a moneygrab and etcetera. steve is minecraft
What is bro yapping abt 💀💀💀💀
@@neinja66469 the ones who get it get it mhm
i love the words and the sentences you use its so simple yet explains everyting.
A well thought and well expressed opinion in a short video? That's incredibly rare.
i didnt have a great childhood. it was pretty terrible in all honesty. but i remember the original minecraft youtubers and loved watching their videos. through all the bad i still have a soft spot for the mcyt of old, particularly the modded lets plays. the old minecraft music brings me back to those pockets of good memories that are few and far between and the feeling is something i cant really describe. music is a powerful thing
Here's something i've noticed with the new music vs. the old music: It's purpose and presentation.
There was this video analyzing c418's minecraft music and one thing shined through, the music reflected the game in a very metaphorical way. Minecraft is a game that looks simple on the outside consisting of giant blocks and pixelated graphics, but has a lot of depth once you play it. The music also reflects this as it's usually simple melodies playing and usually few instruments at one time, but listening to the music more reveals more nuance than before. The songs are even at a lower sample rate than what is typical giving this lo-fi feel (and not the genre, it's literally lower quality music) just like how Minecraft has a pixelated look.
What's important is that for a while, C418 defined the music of Minecraft. The issue with the new music is that it's not composed by him. It's not a bad thing at all, but when the definition of Minecraft music is c418 and you're not him, it's hard to make music that sounds like that.
And they don't try to. Again, not a bad thing, but the newer music loses a lot of what made c418's music reflect minecraft. There aren't as many catchy melodies that stick in your head nor are there few instruments, instead having swelling strings and high quality piano.
It's more just typical ambient music rather than "C418" or "Minecraft". Again, this isn't saying one is better than the other, all the music is good, but it's just something i've noticed. C418 defined the music for minecraft and the new music doesn't fall inline with that obviously because it's not C418.
Trial chambers fixes this by giving you an actual challenge(provided you access them early enough).
I gotta say I personally LOVE the new music, I think both the new discs and overworld music does a good job of making you feel like u are in control of ur world, and the more upbeat tone of the music makes an already cozy game even more cozy
I enjoy listening to all the Minecraft music, and the old ones bring back memories and the new ones still keep some of the same charm while also showing how Minecraft has changed
I don't even hear the old music anymore
Damn you appeared in my recomandations
Awesome video, I love how you get straight to the point while also incorporating great memes, the balance is perfect
The new Minecraft music is good, but NOTHING sounds like C418. His songs for the game are so unique. Cool vid :)
Minecraft is trying to be a game for everyone, which is a very bad idea. it needs to pick a direction and stick with it, even if it means losing some of its playerbase, because that will make the game better overall.
There's these cool things you can do
A) turn brightness down
B) just choose not to sleep using it solely for relearning
C) stop running and or unassign the Sprint or if you still want to Sprint maybe add a stipulation or heck why not turn regen off
People sometimes forget minecraft is a sandbox game
Creator is not a minecraft song, I honestly cannot believe Lena Raine (who made good nether music, and only pushed a little with Pigstep) made a song without any minecraft sound font.
The old skeletons were on some shit ngl
I ended up changing the newer discs to c418's music that never gotten into the game (dog, minecraft is acid, Notch - Calm4), I worked on my resource pack for 4 months now, just trying to make the game look like old minecraft as the updates go by, it made me enjoy the game again.
Why do people always play either the very last version or beta, have y'all heard of modded 1.12.2 ? it can have the vibes of beta, way more content than 1.21 but still with the og simplicity, you want have a hard game ? then make it hard, bosses, increased mob spawning, if you're too fast sprinting make mobs faster.
*Explore 50+ biomes, 76 dimensions, over 400 fucking blocks, and hundreds of structures.*
*and if something is missing you can make it*
*because this game is truly a gateway to infinity*
i dont think anyone will read this but if you do, thanks and have fun
C418 will be a legend in making video game soundtracks
I’ve been playing a modpack that uses 1.7 and every time I listen to the music nostalgia hits me like a tsunami
Well made video, never thought as in depth about the music as being emanating from the world rather than for you in old minecraft, cool thought
I feel like the old tracks were much more whimsical than the current tracks. C418's music often radically shifts in the middle of a single song and has very unique instrumentation that changes as well in a way that is tastefully contrastive, while the new music by Lena Raine and others just feels much more predictable, and like you said, for people. This was true even for music discs that you would expect then to be slightly more like traditional music, but with C418 the original 13 discs are just as interesting as the ambient music. Compare Pigstep with Chirp and you will get the idea.
I must say, the one exception to this might be the ambient nether music Lena composed. I think it is perfect for the mood of the environment and suites the game amazingly well, so much so that I don't even think people realize it changed in 1.16. If they kept faithfully recreating C418's style like that in the overworld it would have been perfect.
I think C418 music is better tho not just as a minecraft soundtrack but also as music in general. the harmony and instruments are just way more interesting
I wish the old music played more often, the current game plays the same exact whimsical ass track when all I'm doin is doing chores around the base
I personally never felt like any of the music fits minecraft, the old music sounds really lonely and melancholy and the new also feels like it doesn't fit.
The first thing I do when I setup minecraft is to turn off the music
1:10 you know you could just not right? Building a hyper-redstone-wheatfarmaultoficator-of-doom pro max isn't required for progression so don't. Or better yet design one yourself. No tutorials, just a wiki and your own ingenuity
yeah but hes really just refering to the fact that its much easier to do now
@@trevjaydendavis3718 and? It's still super complicated to make an iron farm if you don't look up how to build one so if it's hampering your enjoyment then just don't bother building one be as lazy as Garfield if you have to and you'll enjoy the game far more by not building what especially amounts to an iron / gold duper. when you change your prospective on iron /gold farms being too OP it becomes easier to just not do it.
@@ultimate_pleb then don't build it, there's not a advancement for building a iron farm lol
@@sleepydafastboi correct
actually watching this video I randomly got into my feed I thought you have much more subscribers, didn't think you would have even less than a k, it's incredibly well made and scripted, love the analogies of old minecraft music being something the world just emanates and liking it like bringing a cool rock you found. +sub
perfectly encapsulated how I feel about the new minecraft music and updates.
i first started playing minecraft in 2011 i was around 13 and im now 22 and i still play minecraft every now and then.
I agree with the music opinions, i feel like the gameplay ones are more a problem of people feeling like they need to min max to get the most out of a game when the devs clearly want you to take your time in modern versions, but so many in the older parts of the community have played the game for so long that minmaxing became a standard.
When you played the older version, it maxed you feel limited, like you couldn’t minmax, which is why it felt that way, not because it was better
I agree that new minecraft is more fun if you don't minmax everything, but the way the game is designed feels like it encourages you to do so. Of course some players will choose to do otherwise but most players go where the progress is, which atm is the End, xp farms, and large farming machines
It's like Kid A vs In Rainbows in comparison
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Damn bro, really good video. Looking forward to more
Imo I feel like both new and old are really good, whenever I hear it I feel the same way the old music gives me. It might be because I have a hard time remembering what Minecraft was like when I was younger, but it feels comforting knowing that I’m still playing the same mechanic I was when I was in elem school
also not gonna lie, both types of music are really sad if you're a long time player, the music can pretty much make you cry due to nostalgia and memories.
The old music is just C418 being C418 doing C418 things. After all, life-changing moments seem minor in pictures.
I still feel the combat update made pve harder. I remember being able kill anything extremely quickly if you could track well enough
true. it might be a skill issue on my part lol
Short, Sweet, and well done! Excellent video!
This was a really beautiful video thank you for explaining it so well
Even as minecraft progressed and continued to add structures and mobs and other things, there was still a massive sense of mystery. There wasn't a lot to structures, so they created questions. "Who are these villagers? Why do they not look like me? Who made the strongholds or mineshafts?"
I can't say I've had the same questions about bastions, woodland mansions, trail ruins, or even ancient cities.
Minecraft used to make you wonder about the world you inhabited. You were a stranger in an unfamiliar land.
Now, structures feel like they're everywhere. They're claustrophobic. I'd wager you couldn't build a house without having something in a 200 block radius like you could before.