Here's an updated version of the original video featuring Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. BTW, an all-new episode is coming by the end of the week. Stay tuned! 😊
TheFlightChannel can you please post at your message “In memory of those who perished” as a sign of respect next time please. Air disasters are more than suspense and cool edits. Edit: sorry I didn’t make clear I meant in the comment Edit: Guys you’re right I’m just being retarded
@@TijmensAviation he knows this he always puts in memory of the pax. He may have made an error. You obviously watch his videos because you've commented before. Stop assuming people are only here for entertainment purposes
@@brkitdwn yes Pilot error is also a big factor here They kept engines running at full power for the entire flight time Otherwise manual flying won't be that difficult and they could've landed safely But that sparked Boeing to reveal and fix several issues Like overpowering the pilots even when electric trim is switched off Getting feed from only one sensor And cheap, fast flight training process Even the airlines should be blamed who came up with this idea of skipping training And also the passengers who demand ultra cheap flights Everything just rushed Boeing to make this plane so dangerous 737 was such a huge success but their administration just ruined its Max series image
It just boggles my mind that pilots are unable to turn off automatic systems when those systems turn suicidal. And now there's a "software update"...how comforting.
They are able to turn it off, and they did so during the flight. The issue is they renabled it, because the manual trim was too difficult because they were overspeed
@Patty Homes no they knew in this one. This is the second one. They told people after the first crash and trained them to turn it off. Now they bring out a new update so that the pilots can turn it off 😑
It’s a one item emergency memory item. “Stab trim off” I practice this stuff twice a year in the jet sim for work. The throttles were full forward the entire time. Maintenance crew miss calibrated the aoa system. Media says nothing. It’s cool to bash the USA.
@@crooney82 The problem is when you don't have control of the plane (because of MCAS) and you turn off trim to regain control, it can be extremely difficult to regain control when you can't use trim and are over-speeding.
It’s been a year and my heart’s still bleeding, I researched in depth about this flight to find closure in vain. No time can heal this pain. Captain flew us from Ethiopia to Nairobi in September 2018 and to this day, I still remember his smile, bright and happy. R.I.P. beautifuls missing you always 😭😭😭
I didn't even know him but it really hurt when l heard about it, I cried argh it hurt, the pain is still there, all those people losst their lives for nothing...Boeing will pay for this, they will not get away with murder.....
@@life7777ful if u see both planes pitching down with the same problem with mcas on lion air and ethiopia means there is something wrong with the stablizers
@@KaTyJP yes we can do something about it, let the people who caused it be sent to prison for murder and negligence...there needs to be justice and there will be justice!!! Boeing will not get away with murder. The victims families deserve justice and closure!!!!
The most sickening part in both of these is how hard they tried to get their planes under control, and by the final pitch-down, they were utterly powerless.
Exactly! The Ethiopian's pilot said to have fought with the MCAS for 20 times in a span of 6 minutes, I think. Like fucking come on?! 6 minutes??? That's all the time that those people had before dying tragically. What can you do for 6 mins. against an automated system that turns on for 10 secs. and shuts down for only 5 seconds before taking over again? And this cycle of events would definitely overload the pilot and put a whole lot of pressure to him and the rest of his crew which will eventually lead to fatigue. Also, they were CLEARLY and COMPLETELY BLINDED(UNAWARE) from the start. They have absolutely no idea that all of those things will happen continuosly. Like, tell me, what the hell can you do when you are faced with a situation like that?
@@szcharlette4318 They had to enable electric trim because turning the wheel by hand required too much effort. The problem was that after resetting electric trim, MCAS would push the nose down again. For every step back the pilots made, MCAS made two steps forward, until the nose was pointed almost completely downwards. The pilots had to go through all that while pulling back on the control column to keep the plane level.
If this hasn’t already been said, the entire reason “redesigned ”planes were even released so quickly was simply due to the new arrivals from Airbus. Greed killed these people. RIP
No you are wrong and it clearly shows you NOTHING about Aviation. Now explain why 100's of other Airline companies never crashed will all on board terminated. Indonesia and Ethiopia are extremely corrupt because they are third world countries
"also, flight crews will always have the ability to override mcas and manually control the airplane" you mean that pilots will be able to control their own airplane? that's groundbreaking achievement! thank you boeing for your great wisdom
Whisky They do and they did. The pilots actually turned off the MCAS but werent strong enough to lift the ailerons so they turned it back on which caused the plane to crash.
@@work_matt_9546 Well, that's because they left the engines at full power and allowed the plane to accelerate to half the speed of sound. They then re-enabled auto-trim (which also re-enabled MCAS--going against runaway trim procedures) without ever slowing down. The pilots are just as guilty for this crash as Boeing
@@cryogeneric You could have left off "just as" in your last sentence. Airplanes are mechanical devices. Anyone who has owned a car knows that mechanical devices sometimes break. Pilots are supposed to be trained to handle broken airplanes. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Sorry, the pilots didn't do step one.
Whisky The flight crews are not trained to override the MCAS system plus instruction not in flight manual as well ...... the newly introduced MCAS supposed to be an automatic stall detection and correction system to maintain the aircraft flight level, but somehow either the software and / or hardware failed in design and caused the aircraft noise down to earth . Boeing designed new system to kill !!
@@2345allthebest if they simply re release it giving pilots the knowledge to overide the system than its mission accomplished for Boeing. I hope they are forced to make a new plane like they should have all along, but since they already sold a bunch I can imagen ppl letting it slide. Very Sad.
@@Lightblue2222 I hear ya....just wondering how many people are going to feel comfortable getting on board what they might perceive to be a flying coffin after these two mishaps
It's called "regulatory capture", where an industry effectively takes control of its own watchdog. The irony is that the worst case of regulatory capture is Big Pharma & Big Agriculture controlling the FDA. Poorly tested drugs and toxic food kill more people in a year than airlines have in their whole history.
I'm Kenyan. A Kenyan man lost his wife, daughter and 2 grandkids in this crash. They were traveling from USA and were on their final leg of the journey to Kenya. I have never gotten over the devastation on his face as he spoke to journalists at the waiting lounge in JKIA 😭😭 May the departed souls find rest.
I think I read about it. If it's the same family , the daughter had a premonition days before they travelled. She felt so uncomfortable about travelling that day, as I read. May they all rest in peace.
There is, and they did turn off the stabilizer trim and auto pilot and they still couldn't control the aircraft because it was flying too fast, i wonder if getting the false low airspeed, stick shaker(stall warning) and dont sink warnings convinced the captain to leave the throttles on high, or maybe he was too distracted and didn't notice it while trying to control the nose diving aircraft.
Watching all of these Flight Channel vids makes me not want to fly again. If I do, I know I'll be scrutinizing the pilots' appearance upon boarding (do they still greet you?), and then will be hearing FC somber music in my head all during the flight. God forbid if I EVER hear "Pull-Up," "Terrain Ahead," or "BRACE," I'll be dead from a heart-attack well before any impact can obliterate me!
Precisely. There shouldn't be a system that overrides the crew's ability to manually control the aircraft. That's a system that's ripe for hacking and sabotage.
At first I didn’t either, but after binging these videos I’ve definitely picked up on what certain things mean! Never did I think I’d know literally anything related to airplanes, and for this channel I’m thankful!
Essentially, there were faulty sensors on the plane, giving bad information to the pilots. This then led the plane to try to fix itself with the rudder (what makes it go left) trim (up and down) and other things. The plane then went into a dive and crashed.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 Nah. If automakers are any indicator, it's cheaper to get sued than to FIX the problem. It was cheaper to kill off 60+ of Pinto victims. Many of whom had the door latches fail also and burned alive. And each recall would have cost 12 bucks. Please see Unsafe at Any Speed (Nader, old car product liability) and Still Unsafe at Any Speed by Brian Chase (modern cars with the same problems).
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 💯 😤 and we can do something about it like end it early or just ride it out.... Mandatory labor the whole way through. No wonder religion is so attractive!!
@@jeschr3462 they obviously died instantly on impact. I dont know how you can think otherwise. They are not cyborgs. A plane crash is extremely violent.
@@jeschr3462 Why on earth do you think that? The aircraft hit the ground at 700mph. With that speed the impact would be so great you would instantly die without suffering
Today I flew on a United 737 MAX! I was so nervous the whole time!😰 So relieved when it landed safely! The crew kept reassuring passengers throughout the flight that things were going well. Side note: United did offer to change the flight for those who requested the change at no additional cost.
"Just another day at the office boys" - Industry Executives! "So, we lost some people...meh...what's the fix? We need to get these birds back in the air STAT"
Can't imagine what those souls felt as they nose dived to the ground at 700MPH! They say the human remains were the size of a postage stamp. That tells you the force of that impact.
There was an article a while ago that stated that MCAS software was written by some Indian outsource company workers of which got paid an $9/hour (if memory serves). And as you can imagine, for that salary, it'll be good if there was at least one real Software Engineer which knew what really they task was, and I can bet there was none. Probably It was mainly written by some coders without any clue about how plane systems working, and how important their job was.
At a glance, this is true but the real story behind the scenes makes this statement not true. Modern aircraft already use sophisticated software to fly and land. The part where this gets darker is that engineers knew about this problem and its failure behind the scenes, told Boeing officials and yet, did nothing to stop these incidents from happening. Robots are fine. It's the people that program the robots that are not especially when they know of a failure that will happen.
They hit the ground with the throttle at full power...... Confusion and panic distracted them and they forgot to fly the damn plane. However, this doesn't take any blame away from the greedy corporate cuntbags at Boeing or the corrupt FAA who allowed this plane to get airborne in the first place
The people who made the decision to include mcas software on passenger planes, without a kill switch for the program, and also without training pilots or at least informing them on MCAS and what it does, should be imprisoned for manslaughter. Plain and simple. All those lives of innocent people gone now, and families left suffering due to Boeing’s negligence and lack of concern for safety.
I was on that same plane on the 7th of March and now thankful to God for the gift of life. My prayers go with those who lost their loved ones in this crash.
Hayrullea Caylen, i know. However Macs is designed to keep the plane in the air however due to it following one faulty sensor, it would continuously point the noise down because it thought the plane was going to stall. This is sort of like auto pilot as it helps the pilot with out them have ing to anything. (I know for the autopilot they punch in the heading, speed, altitude , ect. I also think that somethings should have been changed in the max such as it following all the sensors and not the faulty one.
I strongly disagree, the majority of crashes are caused by pilots’ errors. Pilots are the weak point of safety, at the end they should be removed entirely. Now softwares are not ready but in the next generation or airliners it could be a reality.
The Karma is for Boeing wanting to compete with Airbus is that in 2019 their market crashed totally and they sold literally two time less than Airbus, making Airbus number one during this period. They wanted to win more money but instead lost A LOT.
Darn, every time I see these videos, I keep hoping they can safely return back to the airport, even though I know it's not going to happen. Just seems like something different might have been tried since the last one I saw.
I flew the 737 Max from Edinburgh to New York back in 2017. The flight went smoothly but I can’t help but wonder what if? I tell my boyfriend that I’ll never fly one again but he seems to think it’ll be unavoidable once they are back in service.
@@sophielang1590 I'm sure we will have other choice like Airbus Neo; maybe the problem will be the price... anyway, I will try to avoid the Max as much as possible
@@pejuangtrader83 you can check on www.flightradar24.com/ There you search for the flight number, and you'll see a list of the flights, and in one column the aircraft code; for example, the flight TP74 shows the Aircraft A339 (or only 339); if you google "Aircraft A339" you will see "Airbus A330-900"
Those poor young pilots had such incredible careers ahead of them and ended up with a front row seat for the most terrifying experience imaginable, along with every single person behind them. Rest in Peace.
The 737 MAX is a much safer plane now and is back in service. IMO MCAS was there to compensate for the engines right, and people are like oh why don’t Boeing just design a new plane. Because designing a new plane from a business stand point wouldn’t make sense to do. Like why screw of millions of dollars for a new plane that would take forever to be complete before it comes into service when you can redesign a plane that already exists. Let me put it into perspective. So you have a computer right and you planning on getting a faster pc. Would you rather spend almost 1 to 2k of your money building a entire new system, or would you rather just buy parts for the pc you currently have.
They're not getting scrapped. They'll be "fixed" and back in the air eventually, although it's taking much more time than anyone thought it would. Which disproves the theory that they only had a "minor" problem that a software tweak could fix. I don't ever want to fly in one, but airlines can change the plane for any flight and passengers won't know it.
APRIL 1988: The first Airbus A320 comes into service. OCTOBER 1988: The first Boeing 737-400 comes into service. JANUARY 1989: Brand new Boeing 737-400 crashes in Kegworth, UK... pilots were unaware of a system redesign. 30 YEARS LATER: Airbus build A320neo and Boeing build 737 MAX and this time two Boeing crashes.
you got it. This is why rich people have their own planes. Then they can control their own safety. Most people must deal with what is offered. Actually I would secretely take a parachute along and hopefully other people will too. Yes, we are travelling fast up there but we have far enough to go down there to reduce speed and to open our parachute.
My close friend lost two Austrian Doctor friends on this flight, I didn’t know them but their friends and family miss and love them dearly. Rest in Peace to all those on board and all those those and every other ill fated flight x love respect and condolences to the families and friends x
My heart bleeds for those who lost their lives and their love ones on that very tragic day. Also madly angry at Boeing. They should be criminally charged for what they've done!
@@work_matt_9546 why u thumbs up self? ur comment is terrible at best...the video shows that the Pilot did everything correct, but the MCAS system auto nose dive.
They already had the ability to override MCAS and manually control the plane, did it work? no. I would never fly on this plane I don't care how safe they say it is.
Their speed was too high to make a difference. This is where the design flaw with the engine placement comes in. Too much lift at high speeds could lead to the nose pointing up; and make the pilots loose control. Leaving pointing the nose down as the only option due to the design limitations factored out from engine placement.
Oh my God, oh my God, greed killed all those unfortunate souls. When those planes pitched down, the absolute horror those people must have felt. RIP to all.
That's only true if "intent to commit harm" existed, and it didn't - no company profits by harming customers. But they took shortcuts that harmed others so there SHOULD BE negative consequences for Boeing executives like job loss, cuts in pay - make them baggage handlers for a year, etc !
@@RemixedVoice Well, here's another thing. Their *reputation* probably will take a serious hit from this. I have read the history of the MD DC10. When first introduced it was a hit and lots of airlines ordered one. However following many serious and deadly crashes the aircraft got a reputation of being "flawed". MD fixed all the problems and the DC10 became as safe an aircraft as any other. Problem was sales never picked up since the aircraft was often grounded due to investigations meaning they lost their airlines a lot of money. They ended production of the DC-10 in 1983 already with only 386 delivered. What the stocks are currently saying is hardly an indication of what will follow tomorrow or in the near future. With airplane manufacturers it doesn't require more than a minor "dip" for the profitability of the entire company to be in jeopardy. My point is that if an airline considers buying new aircraft they probably will think twice before ordering the "latest Boeing". Trust is something which can take a long time to build and it's easy to lose and then hard to regain.
@@sundaysalau8653 As stated: All pilots train in the simulator for run away trim. There is absolutely pilot responsibility as well.here. Not opinion but fact. The new updates also show this. You aren't rated on the Boeing 73, I Am. You are simply giving an uneducated personal opinion. The investigation is also not final. More was released this week which also supports my educated opinion.
Can you imagine the utter horror at realizing the plane that is supposed to keep you safe is trying to kill you in the most dramatic fashion possible? A screaming vertical dive is the last thing the pilots in both accidents witnessed, while I have to imagine that at least one of the four pilots must have realized it could have been avoided (lion air by activating the trim stab cutout and Ethiopian by reducing speed and not causing the subsequent distracting alarms leading to deactivating trim stab), though all the blame goes to the FAA and Boeing for creating these situations.
A shareholder might reason that liability for the crashes probably has insurance coverage, whereas production delays more directly affect earnings per share. I'm speculating here. The facts may differ.
A lesson to the younger generation. Never let hastiness or deadlines push you into doing something that needs to be done slowly, methodically, and most importantly, properly. Hundreds of lives could be in the balance of just "pushing something through"...
Is like telling your passages, good luck with your flight, the plane knows what it’s doing, your captain however in a dangerous situation can’t do anything to save your lives . How sad 😞
Boeing is like china they just care about production of millions of dollars always trying to cover up for their fkn mistakes too many people dieing its time that they start takiing their job serios set up a sample sent some CEOs to prison
Lets be realistic this is the lifes of human beings not no fucken animals this discust me if it was mechanical failure the mechanic enginer would be going to prison
@@Asoka-great All alphabet agencies are gate keepers. All of them. The best way to control the opposition (or regulatory body) .... is to become the opposition. PSYOPS 101.
My mother is from Ethiopia. In February 2019 she flew from Addis Ababa to Mekelle to take care of her mother (my beloved grandmother Ghiday, who passed away last July). When on the plane, it began suddenly pitching up and down repeatedly. No rolling. Just pitching. Then the nose dropped and her plane started barreling towards the ground. She told me that people around her were screaming and that she genuinely thought she was going to die. I thank God that her flight was not the one that crashed. She would have died alone. When we heard of this crash (which occurred on my birthday, March 10), my mother got very pale. She got up from the room and went to her closet. Came back with her flight tickets from a month before. The flight on her ticket? 737 MAX. I am very sorry for everybody who lost their friends and family on this aircraft. I hope their loved ones find peace. Please tell your loved ones you love them sincerely whenever they leave you.
As a rich person who's offended by your comment I'm going to do everything in my power to drive down your wage now and outsource your job either to a third world country with low wages or just have a computer do your gig. Good luck us rich are looking to keep more of the pie... We despise the lower class. Human error is all their fault us at top we're godlike and perfect
Here’s the full story, back in 2010 airbus updated their A320 to make it more efficient and modern, they put a bigger engine under the wing to make it more efficient. This was called the A320neo, this would make airbus great profit. Boeing being a rival of Airbus realized that they needed to keep up, they decided to upgrade their jet the 737, they did exactly what airbus did with the a320. Boeing tried to put a bigger engine under the wing to make it more efficient, the problem was that the 737 was lower to the ground than the A320 therefore they couldn’t fit a larger engine under the 737. Engineers came up with a solution, they decided to move the engine slightly higher up the wing however, this effected how the jet would behave in the ski. The jet would pitch up which increased the risk of a stall, Boeing came up with a solution. Boeing designed a system called MCAS, this would correct any pitches that the aircraft made to prevent a stall. The only issue was, one of the sensors probably got damaged and was interpreting false data which caused the plane to dive, Boeing barely provided any training to pilots of how to use the MCAS, I’m not sure if they even put it in the manual. Completely reckless of Boeing’s part, they only cared about profit.
Boeing re designed it so it would stall much easier as it would take too much time to change the shape of the aircraft or add new wing design to match the problems caused by the engines MCAS was just extra code in the computer so they could market it as doesn't require further training they kept it a secret as it ruins the marketing and breaks the law on having one sensor crashing the aircraft. The first crash the pilots had no knowledge of the aircraft being able to take over control during manual control and it having easier to stall issues. The second crash the pilots were told about it but not told Mcas can crash a plane if it is not turned off within 10 seconds. Boeing was told by the FAA that 15 crashes need to happen before they are forced to ground it.
As a software engineer it can take days or weeks to replicate a software bug and then more time to make the right fix. These guys had minutes and there would be nothing they could do. Tracing back how a bug like this made it to production really reveals many failures in process and culture, and that takes years to fix. I'd be sending Boeing a message with your flight bookings next time you travel.
So scary.. What a tragic of irony.. 😢💔 heart breaking for the family of loss.. I always thought once I get on a plane I would be too suspicious with everything bec I watch too much of TheFlightChannel 🤔
My dad knows the pilot and copilot of these flights. My father is an Delta pilot and jump seated with them on a flight earlier that year. They were both excited to fly on the MAX and so was my dad at Air Canada (where he worked before moving to Delta this month) He has had an experience with it. He was in a steep climb from YYZ Toronto and began to feel the aircraft pitch to high, luckily he was able to control it and fly to TPA safely as possible. I used to say,”if it ain’t a Boeing, I ain’t going” but no more! Human lives always surpasses revenue and budget cuts! Boeing you really screwed yourselves!
Why can't planes have large parachutes attached to the mid column,rear and front to deal with such a situation. They should design parachutes that can handle the plane and cargo weight. In such a situation the engines should be switched off at high altitude or even after take off and parachutes deployed and the chutes should have a control mechanism to help glide it to a nice landing .
I think so many people forget that it all happened in 6mins. That’s all the pilots had was 6mins, not 1hr., to try to save their aircraft. I still always wonder why the pilots don’t have the ability to override all of those failures with just using the steering wheel & pointing the aircraft up? But obviously I guess with all of today’s technology it just doesn’t work that way? RIP to all of those innocent people.
PokerRun388 the shitty part is, some manufacturers are making automated systems that override pilot inputs, because “human error causes most crashes.” It’s stupid.
PokerRun388 It normally does work the way you described on Boeing aircraft. But in this case, the engineers decided that MCAS knew better than the pilots and was able to override them. MCAS had full control over the entire range of motion of the aircraft. This was no subtle hint for the pilots to do something else. This was a flight control system designed to get its way.
@@XalphYT No the trim buttons on the yoke would have overridden the MCAS inputs, just trim the aircraft and turn the MCAS off with the switches just below the throttles on the center console. As for a "hint" that something was not working right how about the elevator trim wheels rotating to the nose down position? and while we are at it why not pull the throttles back from max to slow the speed so the elevator isn't so effective? the list goes on for any pilot who really knows the aircraft and how to fly the airplane. Lots of my contemporaries feel the asme way "turn off the auto crap nd fly the airplane". C. W. Wachsmuth: 6,000 hours flying time and lots of malfunctions thrown at me during annual simulator rides including runaway trim.
C W Wachsmuth I appreciate you writing me back. Your hands-on experience is valuable to hear. During your time in your next annual flight simulator, you should ask if you could experience the original version of MCAS that these pilots in this video failed to bring under control. I would be interested to hear if you thought an MCAS activation presented itself as a runaway trim stabilizer or if it felt like an entirely different situation.
Through out the whole story, the only thing that was at the back of my mind was the feelings those people might have had since the takeoff as the plane was literally not flying 🤔 It's scary!!
Emin You weren’t listening. They turned it off - but were not skilled enough to manually fly so they turned it back on. Same thing would have happened on an Airbus plane with a faulty sensor.
Mark Snyder Airbus use 3 AOA sensors they have redundancy and even when an ADIRU failed on Qantas 72 the extra layers of redundancy kicked in and gave control back in seconds with no pilot action
@@WestCoastAce27 Maybe I did misunderstand the explanations. They way I understood, is that MCAS was still active after turning the trim assisstance off. If that was not the case, then yeah, ignore my message.
Man! Watching this changes everything about my outlook regarding news stories. I know this story and when it happened it was just some very interesting "breaking news" to me. But seeing it as it happens...those poor babies (I'm a new aarp member. Everyone baby to me- in my mind).
Totally agree that the implementation of MCAS (the way it was done and the fact that it was not communicated) was a huge mistake - but the problem that most comments here ignore is that the plane essentially was under control with the stab trim cutout at 8.20. After that, a fair bit of lack of pilot competence entered play - they didn't bring the speed under control and didn't trim up manually with sufficient speed. Eventually, physics took over (stab>elevator the faster you are) and brought the plane under control. Had they realised that they kept accelerating past 300 kts and simply cut the throttle, they would have maintained control. Sadly, they obiously both lacked elementary flying skills in a plane with degraded automation.
XalphYT Pilots get put in strange situations all the time. Manage what you can, then try to deal with what you have left. Had the crew managed the overspeed condition, I suspect they would still be flying today. But that’s no defense of Boeing who clearly screwed up the implementation of MCAS.
it's not fair to be too judgemental as the official explanation of the disaster is still an ongoing enquiry, but two things stand out to me 1: Why did the crew try to engage the autopilot on an already unstable aircraft. 2: it would seem that they were so fixated on the trim problem that they completely ignored the clacking sound of an over-speed warning. Boeing is to blame for this the 737 Max is a completely different bird to any other 737 ever made, and pilots should have been sent on a complete new course, not a stupid 15 page document on an Ipad. When everything else has been said and done, here is a classic example of why automated systems should NEVER be able to over-ride a pilot. Great stuff as always TFC, a real mid-week treat. All the best
@@WreathStorm my comment was a bit stupid but what the hell would a boeing employee be doing on youtube? He would be talking to big news channels on the media, etc
1) Maintain aircraft control. 2) Analyze the situation. 3) Take appropriate action. 4) Maintain situational awareness. Sorry, but none of those 4 steps that are on the front cover of the QRH (emergency manual) happened. The throttles were never pulled back! No wonder they couldn't move the stab trim. Arnold Schwarzenegger couldn't have moved that thing in his prime when the airplane is going 350 knots. First and foremost, fly the plane. There is NEVER a time when the pilot cannot override the autopilot and fly the plane manually in a 737, MAX included.
@@user-tf4ho2uo1e They did not do as they were trained. The F/O did not know you couldn't trim the pitch with the trim button if trim stabilizers are off (that's been true since the 600 series). The airplane was never throttled back after takeoff. The airplane's AoA sensors failed immediately and the captain should have declared PanPan as soon as his instruments didn't match his first officer's. That would have allowed them to check list and at least identify the failing systems and avoid depending on them to fly the remainder of the flight. The captain was the youngest in the fleet and the F/O had less than 1000 hours. I think this "glitch" was recoverable and I would assert this is a crash due to pilot error.
Ian Konrad yes, the pilots could have recovered, but there should not be a system on the aircraft that would completely override the pilot’s actions. Airbus’ system doesn’t allow crazy banks or pitches at too much of an angle but it doesn’t force the nose down and can be shut off easily by turning off normal mode. Granted this could have probably been treated as a runaway trim situation but the primary cause of the crash is the MCAS system messing up. Same way the primary cause of the crash in AF447 was the pitot tube ice up. Manufacturers and regulators LOVE blaming crashes on the pilots, it’s the second thing they try to blame after terrorism. It’s easier to tell the public “it’s just those pilots who messed up” than planes have malfunctions and can crash. There was a crash where they blames the pilots for a microburst in clear weather at about 1200 feet in a jet which is extraordinarily hard and nearly impossible to recover from. Always putting all the blame on the pilots leads to dangerous ideas like “pilotless planes will solve all crashes” which is nonsense. Pilots solve issues all the time that are caused by autopilots and automation but that’s never heard about because it doesn’t end up as a crash because of human intervention. I am not saying the pilots couldn’t have saved the plane I am just saying you cannot put all the blame on the pilots. That system is also to blame.
What I'm learning from these videos is that when all the systems designed to help fly the plane fail, the plane is doomed.. Such a sad irony in that because generations ago, people were flying planes with just a stick and analogue clocks! I know planes are bigger and safer now but on the videos I've seen so far, most of the crashes happen when assisting systems fail.
As a recent rookie geek in aviation, I've done some research and boy is this entertaining(but with condolence to fatalities). From what I have learned, 1. It looks like a major error was made in legit established physical design of aircraft(carried on since the invention of aircraft), due to installing an excessively larger engine without starting off from a clean sheet for its design, in order to reduce development costs and to win over Boeing's competition against Airbus, both in terms of fuel efficiency and development time. It almost sounds the same as upgrading the engine of your car, but failed to upgrade suspension, brakes and tires along with the added performance. 2. AND with engineers in Boeing knowing what went wrong, they tried to overcome the flaws of MAXs' physical design with a software(MCAS) intervention, forced to do so by management at Boeing. 3. The additional sensors to adequately monitor ANU/AND tendencies were not equipped as standard features on the MAX, again, due to costs 4. and because the main reason for the development of MAX series were 'costs' borne to airlines, one of the main sales point for the MAXs was the elimination of pilot training for a new type of aircraft. With all the issues mentioned above, in reality, pilots did need additional training as the aircraft behaved quite different, but Boeing, even well aware of the concerns, chose to hide the entire issue itself because it simply couldn't lose customers who favored low costs. 5. Final button for disaster was a corruption between Boeing and FAA, the entire process from certifying an aircraft with major design flaw to begin with, to covering the entire issue up. By the time they both realized it ain't gonna work that way, it was already too late. I've learned that since the end of 2020, MAXs were re-certified to fly again but many airlines have cancelled their orders in fear, when the entire aviation authorities in the world have grounded MAXs, eventually failing to meet a break-even point for its products which involves multi-billion dollar development & production facility costs. As commercial airliners have enormous costs, losing one or a couple customers give comparably larger impact to profitability than other manufacturing field but Boeing has lost a handful of them. Accounting its deteriorated public image, it would continue to hurt sales of its other products, even if they develop a completely new model. What I do not understand is, why did Boeing, the last man standing in the great history of American commercial airliner, make such a design change, even though cost was a major obstacle? I'm pretty sure they knew a lot about designing an aircraft in terms of science. Did the bean counters at Boeing really think pennies can overcome the laws of aerodynamic physics?
Man you gotta respect how these pilots just keep at it even when they know there's no hope left. Most people would piss there pants, cry, try to hide or run. But these people are one of the bravest kind of people there are. Just knowing hey I'm about to die but I'm still gonna try to fly this bitch instead of getting my last words and prayers in maybe confess my sins. No just for the sake of the people on board. Cops firefighters doctors yea yea yea but I feel that pilots are underated. I will respect these pilot crash victims for the rest of my life cause I like to think I'm brave hell I plan on joining the army. But pilot a plane I couldn't do. Not because I'm afraid of heights but because if it ever came down to a full on fucking nose dive, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to even open my eyes let alone try to fly it still.
Well Put Sir! And for those being sarcastic saying where could they run.Those pilots have a front seat view of the ocean/ land on impact.Passengers can close the shutter on windows close there eyes and not know exactly when impact will happen..Pilots could of ran off after all into the passenger cabin.
Are we really going to overlook that the pilots were 29 and 25, the 25 year old had only 400 hours of experience. They also failed to follow any established procedures to rectify the failure and ignored the throttle position through the entire event. Yes Boeing made a bad plane, but i feel an experienced flight crew would have been able to do better.
The captain had enough experience. This was a new plane and the "established" procedures were very new. Pilots of every airline received only minimal instruction on the Max, and weren't even told about MCAS. These pilots only had a few minutes, and no altitude to spare, to try to figure out an unknown system. They made a mistake with the airspeed, but quite obviously (How long have all the Max planes been grounded, worldwide??) there is a huge problem with the design of the plane. Disingenuous and unfair to blame it on the pilots.
Here's an updated version of the original video featuring Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. BTW, an all-new episode is coming by the end of the week. Stay tuned! 😊
TheFlightChannel can you please post at your message “In memory of those who perished” as a sign of respect next time please. Air disasters are more than suspense and cool edits.
Edit: sorry I didn’t make clear I meant in the comment
Edit: Guys you’re right I’m just being retarded
@@TijmensAviation he knows this he always puts in memory of the pax. He may have made an error. You obviously watch his videos because you've commented before. Stop assuming people are only here for entertainment purposes
FYI, The final report of Lion Air JT-610 / PK-LQP [No. KNKT.18.10.35.04] was released two month ago
Lion 601 please
TIAviation yeah, almost always is included.
What an absolute nightmare, the plane is telling you to "don't sink" as it tries to crash you into the ground.
So true.
Yet, the globalists want us in “smart city’s” in driverless cars..😳
@@Sandra-Le-Vett when you use tech to overcome major design faults
This happens
Driverless cars will be much safer in future, if built in that way
The pilots also didn't follow pilot protocol. Sorry.. They could have returned to the airport had they done so.
@@brkitdwn yes
Pilot error is also a big factor here
They kept engines running at full power for the entire flight time
Otherwise manual flying won't be that difficult and they could've landed safely
But that sparked Boeing to reveal and fix several issues
Like overpowering the pilots even when electric trim is switched off
Getting feed from only one sensor
And cheap, fast flight training process
Even the airlines should be blamed who came up with this idea of skipping training
And also the passengers who demand ultra cheap flights
Everything just rushed Boeing to make this plane so dangerous
737 was such a huge success but their administration just ruined its Max series image
It just boggles my mind that pilots are unable to turn off automatic systems when those systems turn suicidal. And now there's a "software update"...how comforting.
They are able to turn it off, and they did so during the flight. The issue is they renabled it, because the manual trim was too difficult because they were overspeed
ikr!
@Patty Homes no they knew in this one. This is the second one. They told people after the first crash and trained them to turn it off. Now they bring out a new update so that the pilots can turn it off 😑
It’s a one item emergency memory item. “Stab trim off” I practice this stuff twice a year in the jet sim for work. The throttles were full forward the entire time. Maintenance crew miss calibrated the aoa system. Media says nothing. It’s cool to bash the USA.
@@crooney82 The problem is when you don't have control of the plane (because of MCAS) and you turn off trim to regain control, it can be extremely difficult to regain control when you can't use trim and are over-speeding.
It’s been a year and my heart’s still bleeding, I researched in depth about this flight to find closure in vain. No time can heal this pain. Captain flew us from Ethiopia to Nairobi in September 2018 and to this day, I still remember his smile, bright and happy. R.I.P. beautifuls missing you always 😭😭😭
I didn't even know him but it really hurt when l heard about it, I cried argh it hurt, the pain is still there, all those people losst their lives for nothing...Boeing will pay for this, they will not get away with murder.....
@@life7777ful if u see both planes pitching down with the same problem with mcas on lion air and ethiopia means there is something wrong with the stablizers
@@life7777ful well we cant undo a thing which happened but we can praise more to not loss our relatives and belongings
@@KaTyJP yes we can do something about it, let the people who caused it be sent to prison for murder and negligence...there needs to be justice and there will be justice!!! Boeing will not get away with murder. The victims families deserve justice and closure!!!!
@@life7777ful seefeld is dismissing the deaths because majority of the lives lost werent American.
My uncle was there on the flight. After the crash, he was being mourn by almost all of his friends and relatives. God bless everyone on board!
sreipenh khieng RIP your uncle
Rip
RIP
Am sorry for your loss
RIP to your Uncle 😔
The most sickening part in both of these is how hard they tried to get their planes under control, and by the final pitch-down, they were utterly powerless.
Exactly! The Ethiopian's pilot said to have fought with the MCAS for 20 times in a span of 6 minutes, I think. Like fucking come on?! 6 minutes??? That's all the time that those people had before dying tragically. What can you do for 6 mins. against an automated system that turns on for 10 secs. and shuts down for only 5 seconds before taking over again? And this cycle of events would definitely overload the pilot and put a whole lot of pressure to him and the rest of his crew which will eventually lead to fatigue. Also, they were CLEARLY and COMPLETELY BLINDED(UNAWARE) from the start. They have absolutely no idea that all of those things will happen continuosly. Like, tell me, what the hell can you do when you are faced with a situation like that?
@@szcharlette4318 They had to enable electric trim because turning the wheel by hand required too much effort. The problem was that after resetting electric trim, MCAS would push the nose down again. For every step back the pilots made, MCAS made two steps forward, until the nose was pointed almost completely downwards. The pilots had to go through all that while pulling back on the control column to keep the plane level.
@@fallinginthed33p do you think this could've been prevented in anyway?
Fuck boeing!
ryan_00032 I think they got control of it but it was too late 😭😭😭😭
If this hasn’t already been said, the entire reason “redesigned ”planes were even released so quickly was simply due to the new arrivals from Airbus.
Greed killed these people. RIP
The CEO was a pure psychopath.
@@meatrealwishes ye
@@meatrealwishes make wose lion air fk up could off prevented this
The max took 5 years to certify longest out of any boeing plane there was no rush.
No you are wrong and it clearly shows you NOTHING about Aviation.
Now explain why 100's of other Airline companies never crashed will all on board terminated.
Indonesia and Ethiopia are extremely corrupt because they are third world countries
"also, flight crews will always have the ability to override mcas and manually control the airplane"
you mean that pilots will be able to control their own airplane? that's groundbreaking achievement! thank you boeing for your great wisdom
Whisky They do and they did. The pilots actually turned off the MCAS but werent strong enough to lift the ailerons so they turned it back on which caused the plane to crash.
@@work_matt_9546 horizontal stabilizer, not aileron
@@work_matt_9546 Well, that's because they left the engines at full power and allowed the plane to accelerate to half the speed of sound. They then re-enabled auto-trim (which also re-enabled MCAS--going against runaway trim procedures) without ever slowing down. The pilots are just as guilty for this crash as Boeing
@@cryogeneric You could have left off "just as" in your last sentence. Airplanes are mechanical devices. Anyone who has owned a car knows that mechanical devices sometimes break. Pilots are supposed to be trained to handle broken airplanes. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Sorry, the pilots didn't do step one.
Whisky The flight crews are not trained to override the MCAS system plus instruction not in flight manual as well ...... the newly introduced MCAS supposed to be an automatic stall detection and correction system to maintain the aircraft flight level, but somehow either the software and / or hardware failed in design and caused the aircraft noise down to earth . Boeing designed new system to kill !!
Remember kids, don't cut corners for some small benefits. Safety first
Ok dad!
They might as well start over from scratch... good luck getting anyone to fly on that thing if and when it's re-released.... I wouldn't want to
@@2345allthebest if they simply re release it giving pilots the knowledge to overide the system than its mission accomplished for Boeing. I hope they are forced to make a new plane like they should have all along, but since they already sold a bunch I can imagen ppl letting it slide. Very Sad.
@@Lightblue2222 I hear ya....just wondering how many people are going to feel comfortable getting on board what they might perceive to be a flying coffin after these two mishaps
@Togapower working for Boeing or FAA?
These pilots were left fighting for their lives, in an aircraft that wasn’t designed to let them be pilots.
agreed they had no control
@Patty Homes what's that please
@@smoxesss Basically a autopilot system, specifically designed to counter a design flaw in these passenger jets.
@@BukitMan thank you
Buckit , No other pilots flying the Max800 crashed with total fatalities, only Indonesia and Ethiopia....
The FAA is just as guilty as Boeing. They had been completely negligent of their duties.
"The FAA and the airlines, they're all cheats and liars!"
It's called "regulatory capture", where an industry effectively takes control of its own watchdog. The irony is that the worst case of regulatory capture is Big Pharma & Big Agriculture controlling the FDA. Poorly tested drugs and toxic food kill more people in a year than airlines have in their whole history.
@@hshs5756 Indeed, just "who watches the watchers?"
@@vernonsmithee792 That's supposed to be Congress, and we all know how they operate: they run on money like jets run on jet fuel.
@@hshs5756 Yessiree, it's a beautiful system.
I'm Kenyan. A Kenyan man lost his wife, daughter and 2 grandkids in this crash. They were traveling from USA and were on their final leg of the journey to Kenya. I have never gotten over the devastation on his face as he spoke to journalists at the waiting lounge in JKIA 😭😭 May the departed souls find rest.
I think I read about it. If it's the same family , the daughter had a premonition days before they travelled. She felt so uncomfortable about travelling that day, as I read. May they all rest in peace.
I remember him so bad indeed may Almighty keep him strong 🙏
@@deborahtoyind.8127 yes that's right. She had a bad feeling about the journey.. but they still traveled. It was sad.
@@kabahwezaimmaculate2839 amen
There should be a "turn all this shit off" switch that allows the pilots to fly the aircraft.
There is, and they did turn off the stabilizer trim and auto pilot and they still couldn't control the aircraft because it was flying too fast, i wonder if getting the false low airspeed, stick shaker(stall warning) and dont sink warnings convinced the captain to leave the throttles on high, or maybe he was too distracted and didn't notice it while trying to control the nose diving aircraft.
CW: Imagine the computer saying: Turn-off shit, turn-off shit! Love it!!
Watching all of these Flight Channel vids makes me not want to fly again. If I do, I know I'll be scrutinizing the pilots' appearance upon boarding (do they still greet you?), and then will be hearing FC somber music in my head all during the flight. God forbid if I EVER hear "Pull-Up," "Terrain Ahead," or "BRACE," I'll be dead from a heart-attack well before any impact can obliterate me!
Yep!!
Precisely. There shouldn't be a system that overrides the crew's ability to manually control the aircraft. That's a system that's ripe for hacking and sabotage.
Does anybody else not entirely understand all of the technical jargon, but love the videos anyway? I look forward to each episode. You do a great job!
I feel the same. ✈💙
At first I didn’t either, but after binging these videos I’ve definitely picked up on what certain things mean! Never did I think I’d know literally anything related to airplanes, and for this channel I’m thankful!
back in the day i had no idea how to talk on atc radio
darkko 1969: Same here. I feel exactly like you.
Essentially, there were faulty sensors on the plane, giving bad information to the pilots. This then led the plane to try to fix itself with the rudder (what makes it go left) trim (up and down) and other things. The plane then went into a dive and crashed.
I feel bad for the people that died on the flight
May God let them rest peacefully
Better make Boing Boeing to pay
Same
bergssprangare we are dont you worry. Including the employees that have also suffered from this.
Why didn't your God let them live?
@@s.sestric9929 to live in christ, to die is gain.
This is not a plane, it's a coffin with wings!
An efficient coffin!
so is your statement
DC-10 but smaller
I can't imagine being in a helpess situation knowing you are going to die and can't do a damn thing about it. Damn that's sad.
Marlon Isaac their immense mental 6minutes suffering knowing they were going to die will cost Boeing billions in lawsuites✈️🇬🇧❤️🇺🇸💁🏼♀️
Marlon Brando yet they still tried to save the plane even if they were a cm away from the ground 😭😭
We're all dying right now, tho. Just sayin'.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 Nah. If automakers are any indicator, it's cheaper to get sued than to FIX the problem.
It was cheaper to kill off 60+ of Pinto victims. Many of whom had the door latches fail also and burned alive.
And each recall would have cost 12 bucks.
Please see Unsafe at Any Speed (Nader, old car product liability) and Still Unsafe at Any Speed by Brian Chase (modern cars with the same problems).
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 💯 😤 and we can do something about it like end it early or just ride it out.... Mandatory labor the whole way through. No wonder religion is so attractive!!
This is a horrible tragedy. I can't imagine how those passengers felt as the plane was going down 😢😢
Yeah at least it was a quick death
@@markmacharia4762 They all died instantly on impact. No time to burn
@@bristolaviation9183 I don't believe that for one moment. Some people likely suffered for seconds or more.
@@jeschr3462 they obviously died instantly on impact. I dont know how you can think otherwise. They are not cyborgs. A plane crash is extremely violent.
@@jeschr3462 Why on earth do you think that? The aircraft hit the ground at 700mph. With that speed the impact would be so great you would instantly die without suffering
Today I flew on a United 737 MAX! I was so nervous the whole time!😰 So relieved when it landed safely! The crew kept reassuring passengers throughout the flight that things were going well.
Side note: United did offer to change the flight for those who requested the change at no additional cost.
"Just another day at the office boys" - Industry Executives! "So, we lost some people...meh...what's the fix? We need to get these birds back in the air STAT"
Can't imagine what those souls felt as they nose dived to the ground at 700MPH! They say the human remains were the size of a postage stamp. That tells you the force of that impact.
They incinerated.
Yeah, ouch
@@uruguaydestroy7492 I don't think it caught fire. It wasn't mentioned. So therefore no one was "incinerated" as you state.
@Patty Homes hopefully they all lost consciousness before hitting the ground
Why didn’t the pilots reduce the speed?
the system of MCAS should not be automatic, but warning. this once again suggests that robots are not perfect
There was an article a while ago that stated that MCAS software was written by some Indian outsource company workers of which got paid an $9/hour (if memory serves). And as you can imagine, for that salary, it'll be good if there was at least one real Software Engineer which knew what really they task was, and I can bet there was none. Probably It was mainly written by some coders without any clue about how plane systems working, and how important their job was.
Intel777 bit hard to believe or fathom how that level of incompetence could be allowed with so much at stake.
Yo
@@Intel777channel we don’t know why this particular company was chosen to develop this system. and the question of money is generally very subjective
At a glance, this is true but the real story behind the scenes makes this statement not true. Modern aircraft already use sophisticated software to fly and land.
The part where this gets darker is that engineers knew about this problem and its failure behind the scenes, told Boeing officials and yet, did nothing to stop these incidents from happening.
Robots are fine. It's the people that program the robots that are not especially when they know of a failure that will happen.
One of the people onboard this plane was a colleague of My Mother.My Mother was inconsolable.It happened on My Birthday.May They rest in peace
i hope you feel a lot better 😞
Am fine.thanks
Ryan Kiptoo That’s just tragic! Sorry for your loss!
Thank you
Pole sana.
I can't believe those young pilots had to die like that. It wasn't even their fault!
It wasn't. They did all they could.
It really Wasn't their Fault 😭💔🕊
They hit the ground with the throttle at full power...... Confusion and panic distracted them and they forgot to fly the damn plane. However, this doesn't take any blame away from the greedy corporate cuntbags at Boeing or the corrupt FAA who allowed this plane to get airborne in the first place
Wow such a sad timeline of events, rip everybody
Pilot error
@The king of Earth Boeing has always had the safest design, unlike Airbus who is always protected by the EU.
@The king of Earth All these are due to pilot error. If you want to see plane crashes due to faulty design, look at Airbus.
@Emanuel Pereira Boeing crashes were because of the company failing to maintain the plane or the pilots. Most Airbus crashes are due to faulty design.
Its a perfect murder
MCAS
M-May
C-Crash
A-Any
S-Second
Literally!
That's what they should've named it!
@@craycraywolf6726 I agree!
Hahahaha so true.
LOL
The people who made the decision to include mcas software on passenger planes, without a kill switch for the program, and also without training pilots or at least informing them on MCAS and what it does, should be imprisoned for manslaughter. Plain and simple. All those lives of innocent people gone now, and families left suffering due to Boeing’s negligence and lack of concern for safety.
There was a kill switch, the faa just didn’t teach it
@@CapCat92
It's always been taught since 1959.
It's called stabilizer trim cutout switch.
RIP to all souls onboard Ethiopian and Lion air
14:20 Ironically, they wanted to saved money avoiding extra training and now, since these airplanes have been grounded they have lost over 9 billions.
Haste makes waste. Forgive the cliché
but your description of the irony brought it to mind.
Pilots always should be able to turn automatic flight systems off... at any time!!!
I was on that same plane on the 7th of March and now thankful to God for the gift of life. My prayers go with those who lost their loved ones in this crash.
300 pound man jumps on your back in the deep end of the pool
“Don’t Sink”
That's genius
Fat floats in water
@@victorcharlie. But it has to reach the water to be buoyant, meaning you go under!
A Kenyan couple died leaving a 15 month old baby, R.I.P.
they had ebola
@@ex0ticswift271 sym
@@ex0ticswift271 idiot
@@ex0ticswift271 do you have a brain?
@@ex0ticswift271 stupid
Take the MCAS out, and damn well let pilots fly their planes. This is why we need human pilots.
RIP
Human pilots need autopilot they don’t mostly fly the plane. Only during landings, take off and during emergencies.
@@fluffycrocodile9224 Also a misnomer.
@@fluffycrocodile9224 but they choose which modes to set for the autopilot. The buttons in the cockpit are made for something, you know?
Hayrullea Caylen, i know. However Macs is designed to keep the plane in the air however due to it following one faulty sensor, it would continuously point the noise down because it thought the plane was going to stall. This is sort of like auto pilot as it helps the pilot with out them have ing to anything. (I know for the autopilot they punch in the heading, speed, altitude , ect. I also think that somethings should have been changed in the max such as it following all the sensors and not the faulty one.
I strongly disagree, the majority of crashes are caused by pilots’ errors. Pilots are the weak point of safety, at the end they should be removed entirely. Now softwares are not ready but in the next generation or airliners it could be a reality.
The Karma is for Boeing wanting to compete with Airbus is that in 2019 their market crashed totally and they sold literally two time less than Airbus, making Airbus number one during this period. They wanted to win more money but instead lost A LOT.
Can't really picture the moment of ground coming right at you at 600knots. RIP and hope we don't get to see anything like this in future
Amen
Well…MU5735 is the latest in the long list of deadly plane crashes, A 737-800
Their minds would be frantic by then. Wouldn't yours ?
Darn, every time I see these videos, I keep hoping they can safely return back to the airport, even though I know it's not going to happen. Just seems like something different might have been tried since the last one I saw.
that subconscious thought is the ancient basic human instinct of survival kicking in .
@@dangraham9741 I never thought of it that way, but I agree with you.
I feel the same way every time I see "Titanic"...Hoping they will finally see & avoid that iceberg...never happens :-((
@@Narnian77 I agree with you on that, too, but am beginning (lol) to think it's never going to happen!
Narnian77 if you watch Titanic backwards, the ship comes up out of the water, and they leave the boat and play cards...
I would NEVER fly on a 737 Max, NEVER.
me neither! I never do that, but now I will check the aircraft assigned to a flight
I flew the 737 Max from Edinburgh to New York back in 2017. The flight went smoothly but I can’t help but wonder what if?
I tell my boyfriend that I’ll never fly one again but he seems to think it’ll be unavoidable once they are back in service.
@@sophielang1590 I'm sure we will have other choice like Airbus Neo; maybe the problem will be the price... anyway, I will try to avoid the Max as much as possible
How to check the aircraft assigned to the flight?
@@pejuangtrader83 you can check on www.flightradar24.com/
There you search for the flight number, and you'll see a list of the flights, and in one column the aircraft code; for example, the flight TP74 shows the Aircraft A339 (or only 339); if you google "Aircraft A339" you will see "Airbus A330-900"
Those poor young pilots had such incredible careers ahead of them and ended up with a front row seat for the most terrifying experience imaginable, along with every single person behind them. Rest in Peace.
even if this software update proves to be effective, I'm still not getting on one of these planes
I wouldn't either. Not after spending 6 minutes watching how this went down.
Lmao you'd get on it anyway. Or cancel you're flight and wait hours for the next one which might also be one.
The 737 MAX is a much safer plane now and is back in service. IMO MCAS was there to compensate for the engines right, and people are like oh why don’t Boeing just design a new plane. Because designing a new plane from a business stand point wouldn’t make sense to do. Like why screw of millions of dollars for a new plane that would take forever to be complete before it comes into service when you can redesign a plane that already exists. Let me put it into perspective.
So you have a computer right and you planning on getting a faster pc. Would you rather spend almost 1 to 2k of your money building a entire new system, or would you rather just buy parts for the pc you currently have.
My god those poor souls. I’m glad these planes are getting scrapped. I no longer have trust in nor respect for Boeing
They're not getting scrapped. They'll be "fixed" and back in the air eventually, although it's taking much more time than anyone thought it would. Which disproves the theory that they only had a "minor" problem that a software tweak could fix. I don't ever want to fly in one, but airlines can change the plane for any flight and passengers won't know it.
And I, too, have lost respect for Boeing and the FAA.
@Frankie Lucky Your last sentence dismisses your theory. Airbus is just better.
@@SpaaaaceMaan Amen!
at least we now know that souls are immortal. But still the bodies are also priceless. Sad that they were forced to get destroyed for greed.
APRIL 1988: The first Airbus A320 comes into service.
OCTOBER 1988: The first Boeing 737-400 comes into service.
JANUARY 1989: Brand new Boeing 737-400 crashes in Kegworth, UK... pilots were unaware of a system redesign.
30 YEARS LATER: Airbus build A320neo and Boeing build 737 MAX and this time two Boeing crashes.
What a disaster; nothing worse than the feeling you get when you know you can't control the plane because it has a mind of it's own.
That happens when money comes first and last thing is security of the passengers....😡😡😡😡
Exactly
this reminds me when i rush in an exam
you got it. This is why rich people have their own planes. Then they can control their own safety. Most people must deal with what is offered.
Actually I would secretely take a parachute along and hopefully other people will too. Yes, we are travelling fast up there but we have far enough to go down there to reduce speed and to open our parachute.
@@MTSINAI-JabalAl-Lawz-NE Yeah, Not only passengers but STAFF too.
Yeah, it is disappointing to see what Boeing has become, makes me want to fly Airbus now.
My close friend lost two Austrian Doctor friends on this flight, I didn’t know them but their friends and family miss and love them dearly. Rest in Peace to all those on board and all those those and every other ill fated flight x love respect and condolences to the families and friends x
My heart bleeds for those who lost their lives and their love ones on that very tragic day.
Also madly angry at Boeing. They should be criminally charged for what they've done!
munu numu So are the airlines. Lion Air is one of the most dangerous airlines in the world as well as Ethiopian Air. They have horrible pilot training
How was Boeing supposed to know they would crash
@@jamesaviation2240 if I'm not wrong, they knew of this problem before the aircraft entered service
Work_Matt _ Lion Air has a history but Ethiopian is among the largest airlines in the world and is FAA certified to enter US airspace
@@work_matt_9546 why u thumbs up self? ur comment is terrible at best...the video shows that the Pilot did everything correct, but the MCAS system auto nose dive.
The crater in the crash zone was 30 feet deep, and more than 100 feet wide, it’s insane
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Best aviation channel on RUclips ❤
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They already had the ability to override MCAS and manually control the plane, did it work? no. I would never fly on this plane I don't care how safe they say it is.
MCAS was hidden from training.
Their speed was too high to make a difference. This is where the design flaw with the engine placement comes in. Too much lift at high speeds could lead to the nose pointing up; and make the pilots loose control. Leaving pointing the nose down as the only option due to the design limitations factored out from engine placement.
The pilots tried it 6 times in that short time they too tried every safety procedures nothing worked out
Sad 😔
never ever flying this aircraft, rather walk or take a kayak, none of those people should of died, FAA and Boeing are equally guilty :(
You won't fly on the plane no matter how safe it is? This is a crazy answer.
Oh my God, oh my God, greed killed all those unfortunate souls. When those planes pitched down, the absolute horror those people must have felt. RIP to all.
My friend engineer kabau continue resting in peace
noah maina sorry to here that bro
Pole sana. My condolences to you and his family.
So sorry for your loss. May your friend rest in eternal paradise, and his family be granted peace.
The powers that be at Boeing need to face criminal charges for their malfeasance. Yet another marvelous video!
Niranth Banks And the FAA too
Vistamister, indeed.
True, but they will never face charges. The worse they will get is fired.
No it is a mistake not purposeful act by Boeing
That's only true if "intent to commit harm" existed, and it didn't - no company profits by harming customers.
But they took shortcuts that harmed others so there SHOULD BE negative consequences for Boeing executives like job loss, cuts in pay - make them baggage handlers for a year, etc !
for some odd reason i wanna be superman and save all these planes from crashing
What would you stand on to hold the plane in midair?
Boeing sure saved themselves a lot of money...
Yea
They gotta go the extra step to save a little money on the side.
@Moon Presence The delay on the Dreamliner had more of a negative effect on Boeing's stocks than the 2 MAX 8 crashes did
@@RemixedVoice Well, here's another thing. Their *reputation* probably will take a serious hit from this. I have read the history of the MD DC10. When first introduced it was a hit and lots of airlines ordered one. However following many serious and deadly crashes the aircraft got a reputation of being "flawed". MD fixed all the problems and the DC10 became as safe an aircraft as any other. Problem was sales never picked up since the aircraft was often grounded due to investigations meaning they lost their airlines a lot of money. They ended production of the DC-10 in 1983 already with only 386 delivered.
What the stocks are currently saying is hardly an indication of what will follow tomorrow or in the near future. With airplane manufacturers it doesn't require more than a minor "dip" for the profitability of the entire company to be in jeopardy.
My point is that if an airline considers buying new aircraft they probably will think twice before ordering the "latest Boeing". Trust is something which can take a long time to build and it's easy to lose and then hard to regain.
I feel so sorry for the pilots (both soo young) and the passengers :( May they rest in peace 🙏
Any death is sad. However, the pilots are in large part responsible for the loss of the aircraft.
@@mustardstain504d6 how
@@mustardstain504d6 they didn't know what was happening
@@sundaysalau8653 As stated: All pilots train in the simulator for run away trim. There is absolutely pilot responsibility as well.here. Not opinion but fact. The new updates also show this. You aren't rated on the Boeing 73, I Am. You are simply giving an uneducated personal opinion. The investigation is also not final. More was released this week which also supports my educated opinion.
@@mustardstain504d6 it is said that they didn't get enough training
Can you imagine the utter horror at realizing the plane that is supposed to keep you safe is trying to kill you in the most dramatic fashion possible? A screaming vertical dive is the last thing the pilots in both accidents witnessed, while I have to imagine that at least one of the four pilots must have realized it could have been avoided (lion air by activating the trim stab cutout and Ethiopian by reducing speed and not causing the subsequent distracting alarms leading to deactivating trim stab), though all the blame goes to the FAA and Boeing for creating these situations.
Murphy's Law: "whatever can go wrong, will go wrong."
@Obi2 IKR, no matter how much sugar you use to coat
So, it applies to every plane
Murphy’s Law states given enough time anything that can happen, will happen. Given that it’s only a matter of time.
And even when you have eliminated everything that can possibly go wrong, it will still go wrong.
Under Trump's "the best people", "best president ever" administration
Something to think about: Beoing's delays to the Dreamliner's production had more negative impact on the stock price than the 737 MAX crashes.
that's.........messed up
Fuck...
A shareholder might reason that liability for the crashes probably has insurance coverage, whereas production delays more directly affect earnings per share. I'm speculating here. The facts may differ.
A lesson to the younger generation. Never let hastiness or deadlines push you into doing something that needs to be done slowly, methodically, and most importantly, properly. Hundreds of lives could be in the balance of just "pushing something through"...
Is like telling your passages, good luck with your flight, the plane knows what it’s doing, your captain however in a dangerous situation can’t do anything to save your lives .
How sad 😞
Omg I can't imagine how horrifying that would've been for the lives on board to be in a nose dive.
Who is here the day it got certified.
Every executive at Boeing should be put in prison.
Boeing is like china they just care about production of millions of dollars always trying to cover up for their fkn mistakes too many people dieing its time that they start takiing their job serios set up a sample sent some CEOs to prison
Executives and FAA should be held responsible
They will burn in hell for what they have done.
Lets be realistic this is the lifes of human beings not no fucken animals this discust me if it was mechanical failure the mechanic enginer would be going to prison
What about the thousands if not millions who don't even work with the 737 MAX????
😓 Boeing Had to Choose between the Easy Wrong and the Difficult Right. They Chose The Easy Wrong.
The fault for this rests with the U.N. See my comment above.
and the FAA Facilitated it...
Sadly true... They should have just done a redesign instead of doing the MCAS.
@@Asoka-great All alphabet agencies are gate keepers. All of them. The best way to control the opposition (or regulatory body) .... is to become the opposition. PSYOPS 101.
Aly2120 and they killed many people because of money
My mother is from Ethiopia. In February 2019 she flew from Addis Ababa to Mekelle to take care of her mother (my beloved grandmother Ghiday, who passed away last July). When on the plane, it began suddenly pitching up and down repeatedly. No rolling. Just pitching. Then the nose dropped and her plane started barreling towards the ground. She told me that people around her were screaming and that she genuinely thought she was going to die. I thank God that her flight was not the one that crashed. She would have died alone.
When we heard of this crash (which occurred on my birthday, March 10), my mother got very pale. She got up from the room and went to her closet. Came back with her flight tickets from a month before.
The flight on her ticket?
737 MAX.
I am very sorry for everybody who lost their friends and family on this aircraft. I hope their loved ones find peace.
Please tell your loved ones you love them sincerely whenever they leave you.
MCAS: May Crash Any Second
Wow
yes the boeing company invented that
As a rich person who's offended by your comment I'm going to do everything in my power to drive down your wage now and outsource your job either to a third world country with low wages or just have a computer do your gig. Good luck us rich are looking to keep more of the pie... We despise the lower class. Human error is all their fault us at top we're godlike and perfect
Damn this was recent! I always try and tell myself that most of theses disasters are because of technology that’s now outdated but this scares me
in this world your safety will always end up in the way of somebody's buck. As they are forever on the lookout for new corners to cut.
What surprises me most is how they never adjusted the thrust, even with the warning, making it even more difficult to control.
Exactly that’s why the plane was tilting down in the first place. The computers were thinking the plane was tilted up due to high trust.
This video was way longer than the flight - too much going on for the pilots to understand and react.
Wrenching scenarios. Going through life-like videos and merely watching them helplessly is devastating. Thanks FlightChannel.
that would’ve been terrifying, rip to all who lost their lives in this tragedy ✊🏼😭❤️
@@laserbeam3836 lol
Here’s the full story, back in 2010 airbus updated their A320 to make it more efficient and modern, they put a bigger engine under the wing to make it more efficient. This was called the A320neo, this would make airbus great profit. Boeing being a rival of Airbus realized that they needed to keep up, they decided to upgrade their jet the 737, they did exactly what airbus did with the a320. Boeing tried to put a bigger engine under the wing to make it more efficient, the problem was that the 737 was lower to the ground than the A320 therefore they couldn’t fit a larger engine under the 737. Engineers came up with a solution, they decided to move the engine slightly higher up the wing however, this effected how the jet would behave in the ski. The jet would pitch up which increased the risk of a stall, Boeing came up with a solution. Boeing designed a system called MCAS, this would correct any pitches that the aircraft made to prevent a stall. The only issue was, one of the sensors probably got damaged and was interpreting false data which caused the plane to dive, Boeing barely provided any training to pilots of how to use the MCAS, I’m not sure if they even put it in the manual. Completely reckless of Boeing’s part, they only cared about profit.
Boeing re designed it so it would stall much easier as it would take too much time to change the shape of the aircraft or add new wing design to match the problems caused by the engines MCAS was just extra code in the computer so they could market it as doesn't require further training they kept it a secret as it ruins the marketing and breaks the law on having one sensor crashing the aircraft. The first crash the pilots had no knowledge of the aircraft being able to take over control during manual control and it having easier to stall issues. The second crash the pilots were told about it but not told Mcas can crash a plane if it is not turned off within 10 seconds. Boeing was told by the FAA that 15 crashes need to happen before they are forced to ground it.
As a software engineer it can take days or weeks to replicate a software bug and then more time to make the right fix. These guys had minutes and there would be nothing they could do. Tracing back how a bug like this made it to production really reveals many failures in process and culture, and that takes years to fix. I'd be sending Boeing a message with your flight bookings next time you travel.
So scary.. What a tragic of irony.. 😢💔 heart breaking for the family of loss.. I always thought once I get on a plane I would be too suspicious with everything bec I watch too much of TheFlightChannel 🤔
My dad knows the pilot and copilot of these flights. My father is an Delta pilot and jump seated with them on a flight earlier that year. They were both excited to fly on the MAX and so was my dad at Air Canada (where he worked before moving to Delta this month) He has had an experience with it. He was in a steep climb from YYZ Toronto and began to feel the aircraft pitch to high, luckily he was able to control it and fly to TPA safely as possible. I used to say,”if it ain’t a Boeing, I ain’t going” but no more! Human lives always surpasses revenue and budget cuts! Boeing you really screwed yourselves!
Yeah, one of the pilots on Flight 800 was known for saying that...just sayin...
on the side note, why did you think that? isnt airbus now better anyway,i mean look at the a380 and even the a350, seem fine to me
This is such a tragic accident, best wishes to everyone's family that was involved! :(
Why can't planes have large parachutes attached to the mid column,rear and front to deal with such a situation.
They should design parachutes that can handle the plane and cargo weight.
In such a situation the engines should be switched off at high altitude or even after take off and parachutes deployed and the chutes should have a control mechanism to help glide it to a nice landing .
Plane designers should opt installing large parachutes in the mid column, rear and front of plane to cater for mechanical,electrical,issues.
They hit the ground at nearly mach 1. That's insane
I think so many people forget that it all happened in 6mins. That’s all the pilots had was 6mins, not 1hr., to try to save their aircraft. I still always wonder why the pilots don’t have the ability to override all of those failures with just using the steering wheel & pointing the aircraft up? But obviously I guess with all of today’s technology it just doesn’t work that way? RIP to all of those innocent people.
PokerRun388 the shitty part is, some manufacturers are making automated systems that override pilot inputs, because “human error causes most crashes.” It’s stupid.
PokerRun388 It normally does work the way you described on Boeing aircraft. But in this case, the engineers decided that MCAS knew better than the pilots and was able to override them. MCAS had full control over the entire range of motion of the aircraft. This was no subtle hint for the pilots to do something else. This was a flight control system designed to get its way.
@@XalphYT No the trim buttons on the yoke would have overridden the MCAS inputs, just trim the aircraft and turn the MCAS off with the switches just below the throttles on the center console. As for a "hint" that something was not working right how about the elevator trim wheels rotating to the nose down position? and while we are at it why not pull the throttles back from max to slow the speed so the elevator isn't so effective? the list goes on for any pilot who really knows the aircraft and how to fly the airplane. Lots of my contemporaries feel the asme way "turn off the auto crap nd fly the airplane".
C. W. Wachsmuth: 6,000 hours flying time and lots of malfunctions thrown at me during annual simulator rides including runaway trim.
C W Wachsmuth I appreciate you writing me back. Your hands-on experience is valuable to hear. During your time in your next annual flight simulator, you should ask if you could experience the original version of MCAS that these pilots in this video failed to bring under control. I would be interested to hear if you thought an MCAS activation presented itself as a runaway trim stabilizer or if it felt like an entirely different situation.
It was avery horible scene, the accident happenedbin my own village, so sad, i have never seen such athing before
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Through out the whole story, the only thing that was at the back of my mind was the feelings those people might have had since the takeoff as the plane was literally not flying 🤔
It's scary!!
"A feature, that you can't turn off, is a bug." is what one of my professors used to say.
Emin You weren’t listening. They turned it off - but were not skilled enough to manually fly so they turned it back on. Same thing would have happened on an Airbus plane with a faulty sensor.
Mark Snyder has a point
@@WestCoastAce27 hmmm, thanks!
Mark Snyder Airbus use 3 AOA sensors they have redundancy and even when an ADIRU failed on Qantas 72 the extra layers of redundancy kicked in and gave control back in seconds with no pilot action
@@WestCoastAce27 Maybe I did misunderstand the explanations. They way I understood, is that MCAS was still active after turning the trim assisstance off. If that was not the case, then yeah, ignore my message.
Man! Watching this changes everything about my outlook regarding news stories. I know this story and when it happened it was just some very interesting "breaking news" to me. But seeing it as it happens...those poor babies (I'm a new aarp member. Everyone baby to me- in my mind).
Nice work👍🏻👍🏻 by watching ur videos, I get some good info about aircraft which I did not know before. Tnx and I love THEFLIGHTCHANNEL
Totally agree that the implementation of MCAS (the way it was done and the fact that it was not communicated) was a huge mistake - but the problem that most comments here ignore is that the plane essentially was under control with the stab trim cutout at 8.20. After that, a fair bit of lack of pilot competence entered play - they didn't bring the speed under control and didn't trim up manually with sufficient speed. Eventually, physics took over (stab>elevator the faster you are) and brought the plane under control. Had they realised that they kept accelerating past 300 kts and simply cut the throttle, they would have maintained control. Sadly, they obiously both lacked elementary flying skills in a plane with degraded automation.
Pilots should have never been put into this position. The fault lies entirely with Boeing and their MCAS system.
XalphYT
Pilots get put in strange situations all the time. Manage what you can, then try to deal with what you have left. Had the crew managed the overspeed condition, I suspect they would still be flying today.
But that’s no defense of Boeing who clearly screwed up the implementation of MCAS.
Quarantine got me watching plane crashes
it's not fair to be too judgemental as the official explanation of the disaster is still an ongoing enquiry, but two things stand out to me 1: Why did the crew try to engage the autopilot on an already unstable aircraft. 2: it would seem that they were so fixated on the trim problem that they completely ignored the clacking sound of an over-speed warning. Boeing is to blame for this the 737 Max is a completely different bird to any other 737 ever made, and pilots should have been sent on a complete new course, not a stupid 15 page document on an Ipad. When everything else has been said and done, here is a classic example of why automated systems should NEVER be able to over-ride a pilot. Great stuff as always TFC, a real mid-week treat. All the best
BOEING IS NOT THE ONLY ONE TO BLAME!
@@urgedpanda Just say your a PR employee for Boeing and go...
@@WreathStorm my comment was a bit stupid but what the hell would a boeing employee be doing on youtube? He would be talking to big news channels on the media, etc
1) Maintain aircraft control. 2) Analyze the situation. 3) Take appropriate action. 4) Maintain situational awareness. Sorry, but none of those 4 steps that are on the front cover of the QRH (emergency manual) happened. The throttles were never pulled back! No wonder they couldn't move the stab trim. Arnold Schwarzenegger couldn't have moved that thing in his prime when the airplane is going 350 knots. First and foremost, fly the plane. There is NEVER a time when the pilot cannot override the autopilot and fly the plane manually in a 737, MAX included.
CRM missing :/
I was flying on another flight when the accident took place. Pray for all those who lost their lives in that crash.
And now they're talking about making a comeback possibly next year😒😒
I'll rather walk!!
They’re already back online :(
Eee
I really enjoy your videos, so thank you for taking the time & putting these together.
My uncle went into one of Ethiopian’s 737 MAX fleet...
I’m soooo thankful nothing happened to him.
Rest In Peace to all the passengers on board
RIP
I can't imagine the terror those people must have felt, having a simple glitch in a machine like that carelessly send them all to an early demise.
@Dijon Curtis how tf was it the pilots mistakes when there was no foreseeing this scenario... they were never trained for it.
@@user-tf4ho2uo1e They did not do as they were trained. The F/O did not know you couldn't trim the pitch with the trim button if trim stabilizers are off (that's been true since the 600 series). The airplane was never throttled back after takeoff. The airplane's AoA sensors failed immediately and the captain should have declared PanPan as soon as his instruments didn't match his first officer's. That would have allowed them to check list and at least identify the failing systems and avoid depending on them to fly the remainder of the flight. The captain was the youngest in the fleet and the F/O had less than 1000 hours. I think this "glitch" was recoverable and I would assert this is a crash due to pilot error.
@@IKonrad112 A tiny glitch that automatically turns you straight into the ground.
Ian Konrad who are you to « assert » anything ?
Ian Konrad yes, the pilots could have recovered, but there should not be a system on the aircraft that would completely override the pilot’s actions. Airbus’ system doesn’t allow crazy banks or pitches at too much of an angle but it doesn’t force the nose down and can be shut off easily by turning off normal mode.
Granted this could have probably been treated as a runaway trim situation but the primary cause of the crash is the MCAS system messing up. Same way the primary cause of the crash in AF447 was the pitot tube ice up.
Manufacturers and regulators LOVE blaming crashes on the pilots, it’s the second thing they try to blame after terrorism. It’s easier to tell the public “it’s just those pilots who messed up” than planes have malfunctions and can crash. There was a crash where they blames the pilots for a microburst in clear weather at about 1200 feet in a jet which is extraordinarily hard and nearly impossible to recover from. Always putting all the blame on the pilots leads to dangerous ideas like “pilotless planes will solve all crashes” which is nonsense. Pilots solve issues all the time that are caused by autopilots and automation but that’s never heard about because it doesn’t end up as a crash because of human intervention.
I am not saying the pilots couldn’t have saved the plane I am just saying you cannot put all the blame on the pilots. That system is also to blame.
What I'm learning from these videos is that when all the systems designed to help fly the plane fail, the plane is doomed.. Such a sad irony in that because generations ago, people were flying planes with just a stick and analogue clocks! I know planes are bigger and safer now but on the videos I've seen so far, most of the crashes happen when assisting systems fail.
As a recent rookie geek in aviation, I've done some research and boy is this entertaining(but with condolence to fatalities). From what I have learned,
1. It looks like a major error was made in legit established physical design of aircraft(carried on since the invention of aircraft), due to installing an excessively larger engine without starting off from a clean sheet for its design, in order to reduce development costs and to win over Boeing's competition against Airbus, both in terms of fuel efficiency and development time. It almost sounds the same as upgrading the engine of your car, but failed to upgrade suspension, brakes and tires along with the added performance.
2. AND with engineers in Boeing knowing what went wrong, they tried to overcome the flaws of MAXs' physical design with a software(MCAS) intervention, forced to do so by management at Boeing.
3. The additional sensors to adequately monitor ANU/AND tendencies were not equipped as standard features on the MAX, again, due to costs
4. and because the main reason for the development of MAX series were 'costs' borne to airlines, one of the main sales point for the MAXs was the elimination of pilot training for a new type of aircraft. With all the issues mentioned above, in reality, pilots did need additional training as the aircraft behaved quite different, but Boeing, even well aware of the concerns, chose to hide the entire issue itself because it simply couldn't lose customers who favored low costs.
5. Final button for disaster was a corruption between Boeing and FAA, the entire process from certifying an aircraft with major design flaw to begin with, to covering the entire issue up. By the time they both realized it ain't gonna work that way, it was already too late.
I've learned that since the end of 2020, MAXs were re-certified to fly again but many airlines have cancelled their orders in fear, when the entire aviation authorities in the world have grounded MAXs, eventually failing to meet a break-even point for its products which involves multi-billion dollar development & production facility costs. As commercial airliners have enormous costs, losing one or a couple customers give comparably larger impact to profitability than other manufacturing field but Boeing has lost a handful of them. Accounting its deteriorated public image, it would continue to hurt sales of its other products, even if they develop a completely new model.
What I do not understand is, why did Boeing, the last man standing in the great history of American commercial airliner, make such a design change, even though cost was a major obstacle? I'm pretty sure they knew a lot about designing an aircraft in terms of science. Did the bean counters at Boeing really think pennies can overcome the laws of aerodynamic physics?
Man you gotta respect how these pilots just keep at it even when they know there's no hope left. Most people would piss there pants, cry, try to hide or run. But these people are one of the bravest kind of people there are. Just knowing hey I'm about to die but I'm still gonna try to fly this bitch instead of getting my last words and prayers in maybe confess my sins. No just for the sake of the people on board. Cops firefighters doctors yea yea yea but I feel that pilots are underated. I will respect these pilot crash victims for the rest of my life cause I like to think I'm brave hell I plan on joining the army. But pilot a plane I couldn't do. Not because I'm afraid of heights but because if it ever came down to a full on fucking nose dive, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to even open my eyes let alone try to fly it still.
run where? into firstclass?
ScreetArt 13 the captain was soo young too 😭😭😭
Such bravery I could never!!
Sandro Barbisan #1 comment of the year .!! Classic
nigga where they can run, you understand the environment they are in huh
Well Put Sir! And for those being sarcastic saying where could they run.Those pilots have a front seat view of the ocean/ land on impact.Passengers can close the shutter on windows close there eyes and not know exactly when impact will happen..Pilots could of ran off after all into the passenger cabin.
Are we really going to overlook that the pilots were 29 and 25, the 25 year old had only 400 hours of experience. They also failed to follow any established procedures to rectify the failure and ignored the throttle position through the entire event. Yes Boeing made a bad plane, but i feel an experienced flight crew would have been able to do better.
The captain had enough experience. This was a new plane and the "established" procedures were very new. Pilots of every airline received only minimal instruction on the Max, and weren't even told about MCAS. These pilots only had a few minutes, and no altitude to spare, to try to figure out an unknown system. They made a mistake with the airspeed, but quite obviously (How long have all the Max planes been grounded, worldwide??) there is a huge problem with the design of the plane. Disingenuous and unfair to blame it on the pilots.
Bud how old do you think the average airforce pilot putting on an airshow is?
@@abc-wv4in The procedure for runaway Stab trim is not new. It has been around for many years.
the average age of Blue Angels pilots is 33.
eric ochotnicki - By definition half the lot is under 33 and it's not exactly their first day flying high performance jets over populated areas
TBH it was one of my dreams to fly the 737 MAX but now boarding it seems like a nightmare
(i still think the plane is bautiful though)
Same
Urged Panda When in returns in 2020, probably next year, I’ll still be terrified, but then again, it does look like it’s got potential.
I don’t think it’s got potential mainly because it’s reputation is destroyed
Anyone still watch this video?
Nobody:
Not a single soul:
Boeing 737 MAX: Oh look, its a penny!
It wanted a drink.