Crashing Immediately After Takeoff in Denver | Cold of Winter | Continental Flight 1713
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Find out why Continental Airlines Flight 1713 crashed while taking off in a snowstorm from Stapleton International Airport in Denver, Colorado.
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My dad was one of the first on the scene to this accident. He was a maintenance supervisor for Continental. Rest in Peace to those who died.
Your dad is a hero, they were never trained for that situation and jumped in without fear for their own safety.
I was flying back into Denver on a Continental flight when this happened. EVERY time I flew into Stapleton it was a blizzard - the weather was beautiful flying out, but always snowing when flying in. Our flight had been in a holding pattern for quite some time in whiteout conditions over Stapleton. As we descended to land, you could finally see something other than white - we were so close to landing that you could see the runway out the window. Suddenly, the plane climbed at what felt like a 90-degree angle straight up into the air, enough to push you back into your seat. We didn't know what was going on, just that we were back to seeing nothing but white out the windows. I assumed that we were back in a holding pattern at this point - it wasn't until later when the pilot announced that we were landing at Colorado Springs airport did the other passengers and I figured something wasn't right. Being one of the first flights to arrive at Colorado Springs, we were one of the lucky flights that made it to a gate and were able to get off our plane. I can still picture all the planes lined up on the tarmac, nose to end - those unlucky folks had to sit for hours in the planes. We were hearing rumors inside the airport, but still didn't know for sure what was going on. After standing in the long lines at the payphones (no cell phones back then), I was finally able to reach my family to let them know where I was. At the time, I was only 18 and I had flown back home to be in a friend's wedding and my cousin was supposed to pick me up at the airport. It was then that I found out what had happened. My uncle was a cameraman for one of the local news stations and got the call to get to Stapleton, that a Continental flight had crashes. That was all he knew when he left the house - not a flight number, not whether the flight was incoming or outgoing, so my family (both in Denver and back home) didn't know if it was my flight that crashed. Apparently, our landing was aborted at the last moment because flight 1713 had just crashed. Weird thing, even though I lived in Denver at the time, I didn't know until years later that there were any fatalities - may they rest in peace.
The scary times going into and out of Denver Stapleton in snow for me is when we went to Nebraska or Rock Springs, Wyoming in the Frontier Convair 580 propeller planes. Engine noise was deafening, but the pilots were always good, which I realized after I'd grown up.
That happened to us once we were just coming into land from London to Belfast,this was earlier in the year when the uk had “bad” snow and loads of flights cancelled thankfully we actually took off albeit late… anyway we were in heavy snow clouds for ages but could just start seeing the ground then out of nowhere we flew back up higher and faster than I’ve ever experienced like you said we flew back in our seats and I was convinced that was it.. I had both my kids one at each side of me looking at me and I have never been so scared in my life… not for me dying but for potentially being in a situation that no matter what I did I couldn’t save my children… needless to say it was an emergency go around due to a previous flight being too close when we finally touched down I cried 😅
@@heynowheynow-tk6tk wow! 😮
"Only" 54 survived? I think that was pretty good considering all the factors. A crash on take-off in these conditions should have had no survivors.
It is a miracle that so many survived. However one loss is too many. Plus it's likely the survivors had severe injuries considering the circumstances.
CrayCray Wolf If you really think about it, a miracle would’ve been that all survived.
@@alvaroakatico9188 Indeed. That's the ultimate miracle.
I say we should bury all of them just to be on the safe side.
@@craycraywolf6726 www.fss.aero/accident-reports/dvdfiles/US/1987-11-15-US.pdf
and I quote:
The 54 passengers and 2 flight attendants who survived the accident either escaped from the
fuselage or were extricated within 4 hours after impact. Two passengers died after being
transported to the hospital. The injuries to the survivors ranged from minor burns, lacerations, and
contusions to serious spinal fractures and multiple internal injuries. Ten surviving passengers
suffered first and/or second degree burns.
******Reader, if you found that piece disturbing or if you are in an emotionally fragile condition, you might want to avoid this next part, also from the report*****:
A 6-month old infant who was in his mother's lap in seat 5C died
of multiple blunt trauma injuries and his mother survived with serious injuries.
I went to high school with the first officer, the one flying. I remember hearing the news come on tv and announce the report of the crash, mentioning his name. I was so surprised that a classmate of mine was flying a passenger jet, us being so young. I was 25-26 in 87', so Lee was probably the same age. Such a tragedy for everyone and thier families.
I remember watching the first news of this accident on TV as a kid. Then, more than 10 years later, as I recalled this accident, I got on a flight leaving Denver in a snowstorm. Listening to some my fellow passengers phone calls, “If something happens, give my car to...” didn’t help settle my nerves. After de-icing for the second time, the pilot comes back to do a visual check of the wings, then talks to the head flight attendant and shrugs his shoulders. Shortly after, comes his announcement, “Well ladies & gentleman, we’re gonna give it a try.” What?! A TRY?? Several minutes later we “attempt” to take-off. Dead silence on the plane, erupts into applause, as the plane lifts from the ground. NO, too early, I think to myself. Fortunately, as with 99.99% of flights, we arrived safely at our destination. And similar experiences to mine, are probably happening hundreds of times a year. : )
In 1982 i was stationed in Germany HHC 1/52 Mech Infantry. Bamberg..I got a space A out of Ramstein AFB. on a C-5A to Dover. Over Wales i came out of the bathroom and smelled smoke out of a head level air vent .I hollered up to the crew member who sits with us passengers . I motioned him to come ..At first he said it's condensation but i said smell it ..Boom down the spiral stairs he goes.. I sat down . Within 30 seconds The air bags dropped , the claxon horn went off oogah oogah and we go into a steep dive from 39,000 to 10,000.. women and children were crying and praying.. A hydrolic hose leaked, caught fire. They put it out and switched over to redundant line and back to Ramstein we went..Next day i took the same plane to Dover but didn't see any familiar faces..I am not crazy about flying Minutes are an hour long when your in a plane way up there coming down to certain death.
Daniel keirstead sr I just can’t believe you took that same plane the very next day. You have balls of steel.
Daniel keirstead sr OMG thank god you were there instead of me 😬😬😬
What was he thinking? If he wasn't 100% certain that taking off was safe, then you don't do it! This story is horrifying! I hope they have stricter rules in place now.
cellgrrl - He was joking. Black humor.
I’m also shocked that people survived this crash, although I am pleased. RIP to those who did not.
Very shocked!
Yeah
Do you think this was a real plane?
Survived but massively traumatised
perhaps rolling around in the cold snow aided their burning desire to survive.
My Dads Aunt survived this flight. Praise to Him 🙏
So they needed an accident like this to realize that it might be a bad idea to have two pilots with almost no experience on the aircraft type together on the same flight?
Exactly! Two young, inexperienced pilots were the detriment of all those innocent people!
@@randynorris6745 The Captain was relatively new to the DC-9 but hardly inexperienced. The first officer had more time than required by the current regulations but once again, new to the plane.
There were numerous crashes due to icing in the 80’s. Arrow Air in Gander, Ryan Air in Cleveland (almost identical to CO 1713), USAir F28 at LGA and Continental 1713. They all had one thing in common besides icing. They Were all aircraft that lacked leading edge high lift devices which made them more susceptible to icing problems. Also, in all fairness to the CO rookie, his training was in the DC-9-30 which does have leading edge slats and which has a much heavier elevator feel than the -10 which might have caused the F/O’s overly enthusiastic rotation.
It's like the hot coffee warnings. Some times you'd think it common sense, but someone, somewhere, somehow fucks up and kills a bunch of people, and now you got warnings on your coffee cup telling you that it is hot.
From Randy Norris in Troy, Mo. Your exactly right!! No, really. It amazes me how an aircraft itself in damn near perfect airworthiness, can in itself have an exemplary service record with many thousands, even tens of thousands of take-offs, and landings. Tens of thousands of compressions, and de-compressions in its service life. Also, going well beyond it’s expected service life, still maintaining a near marvelous flight record and safety rating. Of course, with it’s age needing tires, wiring fixes, engine and pylon replacements, nothing out of the ordanary service repairs. But now, Now, in the hands of these two freakin clowns and their few hundred hours of flight hours in this particular aircraft, bring it and it’s completely trusting and innocent passengers to their untimely doom. Horrible. Just horrible what those people had to endure in the last few minutes of their lives. I pray that it was very quick and no Suffern was endured by any one of them? Please, may it have been very quick for they are all resting quietly now in their memorial tombs until they will be called to awaken. I blame those two pilots, if you even want to give them that much credit. Not too sure?
Reminds me of a flight I was on 30 years ago in Kansas City, Mo. Blizzard conditions. They deiced the plane and sat for 30 minutes snow and ice were on the wings. I went to the cockpit and told the pilot I wanted to disembark... the controllers were dragging there feet. Anyway he radioed the tower and said he had a passenger that wanted to disembark. The clearance to takeoff was given immediately. The pilot ordered me to my seat for takeoff. Luckily on the takeoff roll the snow and ice blew off the wings at about 100 knots. When we landed I told the pilot "sorry" but I was worried about ice. He replied " Sir I would have liked to get off with you". Anyway, you see how these accidents happen. Nobody wants to cancel a flight. They all sit waiting to see if the airport will close. That causes delay which makes the situation worse. Ultimately I blame the Airport Manager. In any event that was a big gamble with 200 lives. Luckily the deicer had enough surface adherence to allow the wings to clear sufficiently... but wow... what a gamble.
Brianminke Do you remember what type of plane were you were flying? With 200 passengers it must of been considerably larger then a DC-9. Perhaps it had better de-icing technology?
blame the airline and the ceos a plane on the ground is not making money Capt could have called for a 2nd de-ice
brianminkc, I would have been hysterical. So many of these crashes are due to the desire for reputation and money rather than the souls aboard. We board these aircraft trusting the plane has been well designed and maintained and that the pilots are trained and competent. Thank God that is usually the case; and thank God your flight was uneventful.
@@Chris2745100 No its been so long ago and back then I flew every week. Probably a 737 stretch I think. No it didn't have any special ability to fly with ice on its wings. The Pilot did not want to fly I think he wanted them to close the airport. In any event I was mad they took off anyway when I requested to get off. They were still on the Jetway ramp when I asked to get off. These days I guess you couldn't even get to the cockpit to request disembarking.
@@davidharris2519 2nd de-ice costs money and while doing that the runway conditions continue to deteriorate. Frankly, a pilot should be able to cancel a flight without worrying about it hurting his future at the airline.
Those who died on Flight 1713 were mostly sitting in the front or middle of the plane. My boss of over seven years was trying to quit smoking, and so he sat over the left wing, instead of in the back with the other smokers. He died on that snowy afternoon on that old runway at Stapleton International Airport, and thirty-two years ago this week, I cleaned out his desk at work. He was only forty-five years of age. Max Richter, USMC (ret.) - j q t -
Wow so sorry to hear that !
I remember that living in Denver back then. I am really sorry to hear of your loss, even now 32 years later. My neighbor from back home lost her husband the next month in the TransColorado commuter flight the next month.
Actually it was two months’ later in January ‘88.
Man,that is so sad.....young guy...never in world wud think ...last day on earth
I wrote this for the funeral and for Max' Family:
Max
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Three small letters
For such a big man.
You worked harder than most
And always did the best you could.
I knew you almost eight years
And although you never said much
I learned a lot from you;
Max, you were a tough yet well-tempered man: A U.S. Marine.
You loved your kids in a way only another father understands:
Two strong sons were the pride of your life,
Darryl and Duane.
I don't think you missed any of their football games.
Your daughter represented the side I seldom saw:
A sensitive side well hidden but nevertheless part of you,
For her name was the password you created
And every day you entered it to access the office computer: Dana.
You always kept a lock on your sensitivity
Owing to it possibly being the only fragile part of you
For life had not always been kind to you, Max
Yet I never heard you complain once.
You were my boss for several years;
You were my friend I worked alongside;
You were so different from me...
Yet ironically we had much in common.
You have a family who loves you;
You had had a wife whom you loved: Diane.
You were a fisherman;
And you were the most careful person I've ever known.
When I thought you didn't understand me
It was usually I who did not understand you.
You died all alone on that snowy Denver runway...
But you live as a cornerstone to all who knew you.
You were a man who cherished mountains and snow;
Being part Indian I know you needed your freedom.
It was possible to find faults in you
Only when I found them in myself.
I shall miss you Max,
But I am not alone:
I never really knew you Max,
Is it possible that none of us did?
What I remember is good
And it lives on.
I could never imagine watching you growing old, Max...
And it's hardly consolation that now none of us will have to.
- j q t -
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Max Richter died aboard Continental Airlines Flight 1713
on Sunday, 15 November 1987.
Max was from Montana, and was part Native American. I had known Max since the day I started
working at Hewlett-Packard, 17 March 1980. We had fished together many times.
A friend was on the flight and suffered severe head trauma when the seat section he was in broke free and landed upright on the ground. The time he spent in freezing temperatures before rescue were thought to have prevented more severe neurological damage but this bright college dean would never fully recover his intellectual capabilities. This was the first time I heard the full circumstances that led to this accident.
Did you say seat upright on the ground?! That's crazy..
People say it’s a miracle so many survived. Did the dictator of miracles decide he or she did enough miracles that day?
@@sludge4125 Grow up, there's always one "Karen" in the bunch who in this case happens to be a talking penis.
@@Praetoria113-zm3no So, you didn’t have anything intelligent to say.
I asked an intelligent question. You had nothing intelligent to respond with, but, like an infant, you still wanted to make some noise. Are you still in diapers?
A miracle implies some type of paranormal activity. I’m interested in this. I want to know more.
Grow up, kid.
In two weeks, it will have been exactly thirty-three years since my boss and friend of over seven years, former USMC Marine Max Richter, age forty-five, died aboard Flight #1713. I had worked with him since 1980 in Boise, Idaho, where the jet was headed to on that day. In fact, Max had successfully been attempting to quit smoking that year, and so instead of sitting in the back of the plane where all the smokers sat, on this day, he sat directly over the left wing. None of the people in the back of the plane that day perished in that fiery crash.
When I would later clean out his desk, I came across a folder that contained a list of essential items to pack for his hunting trips, as Max was fond of deer and elk hunting, having grown up in Montana. And on a very old, yellowed piece of paper, was a comprehensive list of cold-weather equipment and clothing, safety gear, etc., as Max was without a doubt the most safety-conscious, careful, and also the most observant man I have ever known, before or since. Among some other items that belonged to Max, I still have that list.
Anyway, at the top of this ancient, well-used page, written in what was ostensibly a much younger man's handwriting (but it was definitely Max's handwriting), was Item Number One, which Max must have decided was the most important item, and he had it spelled out clearly and listed it as just a single thought and word: EXPERIENCE. - j q t -
@Matt May what’s funny.
Bless him.
Foreshadowing- That’s the most ironic thing I have ever heard. So sad, may he Rest In Peace.
Yes it's been a long time since that day. But I remember it like yesterday. I was training a reservations class in the old Frontier building when they advised us of the incident. I remember how focused everyone was, but also sad as we knew we had lost co-workers just minutes earlier. I'm sorry your friend wasn't in the back of the plane as well. I wish they all could have been in the back of the plane.
Thats so sad
What an eerie reminder. I was working for a cleaning service at the time, on Sundays I serviced an account right across Havana from the airfield. I probably went in the building just minutes before this happened. I did hear anything, but came out shortly after dark and could see all the wreckage and rescue equipment. From what I saw I assumed nobody survived and I remember thinking how miserable the weather was for the rescuers. Scary to look back and think that a few seconds or a few thousand feet difference and it could have landed where I was. Truly a miracle that so many survived. Blessings to the poor victims and the rescuers that saved so many.
I remember this too. My grandma use to live on Mountview & Havana. We was watching the Broncos game. Then went home to Comm. City Quebec & 60th we seen it too.
What’s a miracle? Some type of divine interaction?
If this was divine interaction, why didn’t *everyone* survive?
Our small Idaho towns lost so many good people on this flight. They will never be forgotten.
"Only" 54 survived? That's pretty darn good considering.
Yeah, with odds like that it should be called the "Vegas express".
Yeah, but if you put it this way: That's 65.8% of the amount of souls on board...
yeah bet they were burnt up too
@@Octoliciatrue, but it’s fortunate that it wasn’t worse
Dang, that DC9 was a workhorse. It must have been windy out there, I could see the camera moving around in the views at 3:00. I love the part with the passengers boarding the plane and then it got better, you de-iced the wings, perfect job man. Can't believe 54 people survived, that was a miracle in itself. Another great job tfc.
This shows how multiple factors cause fatalities. Any one of these errors and conditions might not have been lethal, but the combination was a killer.
Yep, the notorious "error chain."
Yup, 1-They put together 2 rookies on the same flight. 2-The F/O in charge for that take-off in that kind of weather. 3-Murphy's law in full effect. I've flight with DC9 several times here in Sweden, never afraid.
@@Barflax agree with all your points but mostly no 2
This is why I'm happy I don't live in a horrible weather state like Colorado! People play russian roulette every day at that airport in the cold of winter! I would never board a flight that has to connect in Denver or Salt Lake City, or states like that with bad weather.
@@mdot100 Yes, planes only crash in bad weather states. Idiot.
It must take you long time to create these videos. Beautiful detail and editing.
TFC is posting more videos than he used to. Maybe this is no longer a hobby, but his full time job.
Interesting that this is Stapleton International Airport, and I do remember this event.....but, at :48, to the left side of the video, you can see the peaks of Denver International Airport, which is not visible from Stapleton.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Stapleton was still in use while DIA was being built, thus the white peaks in the background.
@@gregoryvierra6114 Perhaps, but not in 1987. DIA only opened in 1995, much later.
A lot of creative license in these videos. I think you could probably faintly see DIA from the Stapleton site if conditions we just right but as someone else pointed out, the timing's wrong it was all still hayfields then. It would have been neat if he could have recreated the actual runway and takeoff but I don't where you would get the images since its gone. 35L is one of the runways that crossed Interstate 70 so presumably they would have taxied north across the bridge to the hold area and traveled south back over the highway on the takeoff run. I know the crash site was on the south side of the highway and east of the terminal.
I've only been in a plane 3 times in my life and I was thoroughly terrified each time. I have a very real phobia about being on a plane, to the point where the people employed by the airline felt it was necessary to sit with me. It's a problem to the point that I will never fly again, I just won't. The terror that occurs is just too much, I'm not a "nervous " flier, it's so far beyond that and I don't understand why. I'm a courageous guy, I like taking risks but when I'm on a plane I just completely fall apart....
Tye Cook oh my gosh me too!!! I’m absolutely terrified of flying and the thought of being up in the air not knowing what’s going on around me or what’s under me just frightens me and sometimes I think about the planet crashing into freezing waters or something horrific which just sends my anxiety out of the roof
I'm the same. Fine with absolutely everything else but when it comes to flying it is debilitating how bad I get. I truly believe I will die, I cannot get off, it's absolutely unbearable. I have to go to the doctors to get meds before I fly it's so bad.
@@harry-h5427 I feel better knowing I'm not the only one...thanks for sharing
I used to be the same but honestly conquered my fear watching these videos as strange as that sounds. When you think about it most of them happened many years ago and after something happens, measures are put into place so that it never happens again. So technically each day, flying gets safer as new tech and tools come out and we learn from out mistakes. Planes themselves now go through rigorous scans for individual parts to make sure they are okay before flight. As long as you have a good pilot which is what most survivors have, in THE EVENT something happens you will be fine. Planes nowadays can even fly on one engine if need be and constant contingency plans are put into place incase something fails within the aircraft mid flight. That'swhy the old adage is true: you fear what you don't understand. Maybe try researching about planes! Mentour pilot helped me understand a lot about aviation and answered my questions on RUclips!
I definitely understand I've flown several times and each time I'm still nervous . I pray the night before flight , morning of also when I board .
You did an incredible job recounting this horrible event. Thank God there were survivors. A domino effect of some unbelievablely bad choices
How could the miscommunication be so bad? They’re required to repeat the instructions back to tower right?
Right. They're also required to receive clearance from the tower to taxi from the gate to the de-icing pad. Lots of errors here. Experience is a pricey teacher. Sigh...
And they specificaly requested clearance to taxi FROM the ice pad. The controller shouldve asked for clarification.
they didnt have radar working back then to communicate properly
@@raygud It doesn't take radar to communicate. It takes radio.
mindyschocolate - Statistics. “To err is human.” Usually, the failure of the crew to report their ground position and movements would have been caught by a ground controller, but the controllers are human also and can make mistakes. Statistically, once in awhile, there will be errors on both sides.
When I read the description about the two pilots' experience and flying hours with DC-9, I went "uh oh.."
RIP for the passengers who did not survive.
Fantastic video. I really appreciate all the effort and dedication you put in all your videos, for us to see them. Outstanding quality as always. Can't wait to see the next one!
In less than five minutes this video had "train wreck" written all over it.
bikebrains this comment made me laugh lol you're so right😂
At 5:32 I'm thinking "Okay - I see where this is headed". And I rarely fly! Hard to believe a pilot or attendant couldn't see what might happen.
But AFTER five minutes, it was more like "plane crash".
Plane wreck
Lol
6:00 Hello darkness my old friend...
One of my favorite channels on YT! Rest in Peace to those who passed away on this flight.
My first thoughts as this video began were: delay in snow, caused a deterioration of the de-icing fluid, possibly from waiting behind another airplane with it's exhaust hitting directly on Continental's control surfaces like what happened with Air Florida. Not an exact repeat of that incident, but combined with Denver's high elevation runway, contributed to the wing stall
Love this channel. #TFC Always the best quality videos
Always look forward to Friday ! (Although I truly hate that there's been this much material for you to cover-RIP victims and prayers of comfort for the families left behind). We appreciate your hard work and research on these analysis videos! 😁
This flight took off right after a flight I was on going to Chicago. Had my wife and infant son with me. When we got to Chicago my parents were frantic thinking we had been on that flight to Idaho and, of course, were relieved to see us. Scary, really scary, if but for different destinations I could have been on that flight.
Superb video as always, thank you for your efforts, I always look forward to these videos :D
Rest in peace to those who died
I’m surprised that there were any survivors. Stupidity on the part of the crew, they should never have assumed the control tower knew where they were during de-icing
i would eject before it took off .
I was surprised too that there were survivors.
I agree.
@Janice Sullivan - exactly! What a black comedy of errors. The two stooges in the cockpit.
Well it did not really fly, but the post impact fire was bad!
Outstanding work as always. The animation, the music...perfect!
Most aviation regulations and policies are written in blood. This so sad an outcome.
Ain't that a BISH!!!
@@Himithor What does that acronym mean? I have no idea what you saying? Is that an insult?
Isn't that the truth and isn't that a shame? It seems like so many aircraft engineers don't know how to plan ahead to prevent things like this.
Byron what do you mean
@@byronharano2391 BISH = BITCH 😅😅Get it!?!
I’ve been binge watching these videos for 2 days they’re so addicting
This was a delight to watch. Finally we can see people in animations and other visual effects. They bring it more to life. I like it very much. Thank you.
even after watching this last year im really still in awe of your talent of making these videos! great job!
I've been watching a lot of these videos since the Kobe Bryant crash. I was heartened to read today that we have had no fatal plane accidents in the last 10 years. 0. That is great news.
if you're counting American commercial aviation, yes. but internationally, no. General aviation, yes, theres a lot
I think this is the saddest flight channel video..That zoom in at 5:53 makes you want to cry
You get the best pilots from intelligence and experience, nothing else . Any compromise and the safety of the aircraft is in jeopardy. An accident is the sum of all the smaller preceding mistakes .Love the depiction by TFC. RIP to the poor souls .
Just in time today to watch another wonderful video. Much respect. TFC
When you realise that your flight is on a mc donnel douglas plane...
Current objective: *survive*
replace MD with 737MAX and you zoom to present day
I like MD planes
Don't be silly, they have an excellent safety record and the DC9/MD80/MD90/Boeing 717 series continues to be flown today.
Not sure why you would bad-mouth McDonnel Douglas when the accident had nothing to do with the aircraft or its manufacturer. This was purely a Charlie Foxtrot event, with the largest part of the blame on an inexperienced hotdog 26 y.o. pilot who rotated at double the recommended rate.
Greg Stark When I was little my dad took me every year from London to Italy. We always got on the Mad Dog MD80 she sure could roar.it was a 3 2 configuration with black leather seats and Alitalia always gave my dad free red 🍷. To this day I’m obsessed with planes and got a few aviation blogs I love watching the big planes taking off and landing at Manchester Airport UK . My favourite planes are Airbus A350-1000 cos. It’s low emissions and Queen of the skies jumbo and I quite like Boeing’s 777 i see these beauties daily on IQAviation blog
It cheers me up cos he never shows crashes haha✈️❤️🇬🇧🇺🇸😍✈️
Remember this well. Lived in Denver at the time and was scheduled to be on a flight later that same day leaving Stapleton for Dulles.
my favourite day in the week is friday because TheFlightChannel uploads a new vid.
1713 crashed on Sunday, November 15, 1987. I remember that date well because I was in a Continental new hire pilot class that started indoc in Houston the following day. It was very quiet in Houston that day. Continental never lost another paying passenger due to accident. The airport in the video is the "new" Denver airport, not Stapleton.
May whom who tragically lost their lives aboard Flight 1713 Rest In Piece and never be forgotten.
I do believe the word you are looking for is peace, but yeah, they probably are resting in pieces., 💀💀💀💀💀✝️✝️😂😂😂😂😂😂🐸🐸🐹🐹🐰😷
Thank you for the wonderful job, I could feel worried just seeing the play sitting there in the snow for so long and the moment of the crash I felt a sinking feeling.
May they rest in peace.
Spectacular recreation! No one could have found out the F/O flunked the test three times before giving him control of this plane?
No, the FAA did not allow this information to be disseminated back then. Most companies are too afraid of lawsuits to say anything bad about former employees, so info like this does not get passed along. That was another rule change that resulted from this crash.
Training records were, at the time, part of a pilot's HR file. If an employer were to share them with subsequent employer's, a former employee pilot would have grounds for a lawsuit if derogatory information was released.
@@chuckschillingvideos derogatory or factual. Factual is all thats needed. Pass the freaking actual known test results, then how can pilot sue...
Thanks for the video !
Keep working like that , you are the best ! 👍😃😉
Stunning film once again! Keep it up! :)
Graphics and sounds are amazing in these videos!
The work you put into all of your videos is evident! Awesome job!!😊
(i do kinda miss the tune from your older videos🙊)
I was working as a load planner in EWR the day this happened for the airline. I remember when we got news of incident we all thought it was due to icing when we viewed ATIS report out of DEN. Good video, thx.
I love these videos! They're great.
There was a blizzard on this day in Denver. I was driving south on Downing Street when I heard of the crash on the radio. Continental had a novice in the main controls. Too many lives lost because of this loser. He flunked all of in simulated flights.
I concur, I was driving down Hampden past Colorado with family aboard when I heard this on the radio. Streets were getting slippery and a Pinto was trying to slide in to merge in in front of us as he was about a quarter speed as the traffic. The Pinto driver though better of it. Pintos were known to explode on contact. another disaster averted. I went home afterwards and the news had a live report. The image of a landing gear sticking up in the air is what struck me.
Makes one wonder how this loser was able to be in the seat of an airliner with dozens of lives at stake after failing previous tests. Blame that on whomever allowed him to fly without checking his past failures. These peoples' blood is on their hands.
Did the pilots die as well? they usually state this in their videos, but I didn't see it here
Probably the best flight/accident video I have seen to date! Sound and graphics were excellent.
The Flight Channel is an excellent teaching aid for any pilot or air traffic controller. Certainly interesting for us . . . who call ourselves passengers.
As a flight simulator tech in the USAF, I had access to all of the accident investigation reports that were provided to the Instructor Pilot (IP). He would use the information in those reports to duplicate the crash conditions for the crew in the simulator. Each report usually detailed three different factors leading to the crash. If any one of the factors could have been avoided, the crash would not have happened. The crash in this video also fell victim to the three factors.
I remember that one well. After seeing this video I was surprised by the number of errors before the accident. I counted 4 mistakes. 1) Failure to properly communicate with ground control by taxing to the de-icing pad. 2) Not questioning the controller when cleared to the de-icing pad and instead just assume the controller meant to taxi to departure area. 3) Not carrying a few extra knots at V1 to assure good lift, 4) over rotating. Eliminate any one of these variables would likely have negated this accident.
To those recognizing the cumulation of errors resulting in this event, does it add credence to my working theory that there is no such thing as an 'accident'? An accident being defined as truly 'no fault/no mistakes'.
awesome effort taken to bring the liveliness of the incident
I love the music you use in the videos. It feels unique to your channel and it captures the feeling of the situation well.
Absolutely love your videos!!! Amazing detail and the way you explain everything is amazing!
Same delay from de-icing to take off contributed to 1982 air Florida disaster in Washington
So realistic edits... great video! R.I.P. those who died in this crash...
Love your videos...my favorite channel to watch while waiting for a flight.
I was 18 working at Best Western across from the Sapp Bros truck stop. I was a hostess in the restaurant when we were suddenly rushed with some survivors from this flight. It was HORRIBLE!!! The smell of fire and jet fuel were all on the survivors. I also remember they were wet and shivering. People were hysterical and crying. Mortuaries had shown up to make arrangements for the survivors dead. Pure chaos with airline employees and govt officials. I remember sitting with a man who was alone, and he told me he was in a middle seat and people on either side of him died. I just held him and cried with him i couldn't tell him why he lived. We kept the restaurant open all night. Survivors were taken to other hotels down Quebec St that day but I think we got a majority of them. I quit shortly after this because of nightmares and anxiety. When I saw this in my recommended I tried to watch it but I couldn't it just brought up so many things from those few days in my young life.
737 Max- I’m the most dangerous plane
Any MD aircraft-hold my technical problems
If I ever die on a plane it will be the MAX due to MCAS system
The pilots made some dangerous assumptions, followed by the over rotation..
Fairly sure in this case the plane type didn't matter.
LightBlue2222 that true
It is just usually the MD is the one at fault
I remember this accident very well. My dad was a mechanic with Continental and we lived in Denver. When the plane went down, he came home and we talked about it - hr told me that the type of plane, a DC-9-10, probably contributed to the accident. This first incarnation of the DC-9 has no leading edge slats, reducing the amount of lift the wing could achieve when I’ve built up. DC-9-30s and MD-80s had leading edge slats. The amount of ice buildup may have very well brought down a different type of aircraft, however. This accident falls squarely in the camp of pilot error. Interesting side note: my dad was going to take me to see the wreckage, but my mom yelled at him until he agreed not to. She was afraid it would traumatize me (I was 11 years old).
@@cxaviation3313 I seem to recall a number of parts on the DC9/MD80 family needing shorter maintenance/inspection intervals than McDonnell Douglas initially specified. There's no redundancy in the screw that controls the tail elevators for example, which caused at least one crash, so it has to be inspected and greased frequently. I always felt safe getting on a Delta MD88/90 though.
*7:32* when that piano starts to play.....damn.
Hi TheFlightChannel,This is a great video and I was hoping this would come out as ur next video.A very nice video.R.I.P tho
TheFlightChannel is back in my notifications once again!
I was unaware that primitive conditions such as no ground radar for the air traffic controllers was still a problem as recent as 1987. We've come a long way since then but big city airports still are overcrowded with air traffic. Big miscommunications here thought that might not have been the root cause.
Denver International’s ASDE (Airport Surface Detection Equipment” didn’t cover the entire surface until sometime after a near-miss in January of 2007. There are a lot of small-medium towered, commercially served airports around the country and world with no ASDE at all. And even at the big ones, the equipment can fail and operations become more challenging, but don’t cease.
@@bricehultgren6073 I do remember that LAX radar was considered outdated when the 1986 Aeromexico crash happened.
Stapleton fucking sucked, and this was one of the main reasons it closed down. DIA is so so so much better
The Captain didn't have enough experience in type to be giviing the airplane to a guy with that little experience.
You are correct. This was common then but the rule was rightly changed.
Agreed
Really, Big Dick? Thanks for enlightening me.
I was playing bass for a band that day. We were playing a club in Aurora, Co. about 2 miles away. We were loading in our gear early because the of the weather. Suddenly I hear sirens, then more and more and more. This went on for hours. Then club turned on the TV and we saw what had happened. I will never forget that day. Orbit
I am new to watching these and am thoroughly impressed by TheFlightChannel presentations - by far the best. No ads, no unnecessary dramatisations just very clear facts and conclusions. One observation I would make is I cannot understand the number of assumptions made by pilots and controllers (and I do understand the pressures) knowing the limitations of their equipment - certainly in the earlier incidents. Having operated in a military safety environment for a number of years that is what you are taught not to do.
Whos been a fan before 2019!?? 🥰
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i've been subbed since his tenerife video
Ugh these comments are old as hell now
@butchtropic Me *puts hand up*
I usually watch Allec Joshua Ibay, his vids are better. This one happened to be recommended and I was bored.
Sorry.
I'm a fan since 2016
I'm 61 now and from Ca. I used to drive to Idaho to see a gal I was starting to date her dad was on that plane and was one of the unlucky one.
You were starting to date her dad? CREEP!
Starting to date, her dad was on that plane.
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This week has been a delight, multiple TFC videos. It’s like an early Christmas!
Love this channel . I always like even before I watch because I already know I'm gonna like it .
Who the heck begins taxing at an airport without getting permission first?
Apparently these goons
Watch the video above to find out EXACTLY who does this. LOL
I own taxi - u want lift? where u want go?? Good price
I ask the same question also. That's when death started knocking. Limited vision, icing, high traffic, coupled with a lack of communication
Depends on the airport.
02:57 simulation of east side Denver International Airport main terminal and A Concourse.
I have to commend the makers of this channel. These are absolutely awesome recreations of the aircraft and surrounding airport detail. That DC-9 cockpit brought back many memories for me. That light blue panel. Loved it.
Thank you for the great video's you make. It's truly a miracle that anyone survived. It seems like a lot of mistakes were made here and a lot of miscommunications.
Amazing anyone survived this
I would literally never board a plane in a snowstorm. Ever. If it isn’t cancelled, I’m demanding a refund and flying a different day.
You're not going to get a refund sweetie, and whining about it won't help.
Becca A baby
Becca A world doesn’t revolve around you
With modern technology of weather and aircraft you would not be put in a dangerous situation such as this.
Reminds me of when we flew from Sioux City to St. Louis MO back in the '80s I was trying to talk my partner into cancelling and leaving the next day. The rain and wind were unbelievable.
The entire flight we were in a horrendous rainstorm. As we started the descent, I didn't know if we were landing or crashing as the plane was seemingly dropping fast in intervals. It was so scary a little boy in our cabin was screaming. When we disembarked we had to run to another gate as they were holding up our connection to Philly for six of us. My knees were literally shaking. We learned that a tornado had just passed by the area. Ironically, we had a bit of a turbulent takeoff but once we were out of the storm (we had been re-routed and flew over the Southern states, out over the ocean and then west to Philly) the flight home was smooth as silk. But yeah, sometimes it feels like the plane isn't going to make it.
I love your videos. They are so awesome!👍👍
I will never complain about a weather delay ever again. Watching this channel had educated me on the complexity of airplanes and its repulsive the pressure pilots get to fly even when it places them and the passengers in danger. Also- ATC- y’all are SO INCREDIBLY UNDER APPRECIATED AND PAID- y’all are AMAZING.
I’m in... let the movie begins 😊
airddiction 🤗
Popcorn? Cola? Girlfriend/Wife? Boyfriend?
not nice, this is real life not a movie
Nice video and once again keep up the work and also are you excited for Microsoft flight simulator @theflightchannel and you should do a face reveal
There are so many plane crashes I had no idea about... These videos are never ending!
Thanks, another excellent production, Like others have commented, I was expecting no survivors, RIP those who perished.
The plane had done a huge number of flying hours, unlike the Pilots with very few hours on a DC9.
Multiple causes, but the Pilots must bear a big responsibility.
So...not keeping track of amount of time passed since de-icing and taxiing around the airport without contacting ATC. Not to mention ignoring numerous opportunities to clear up the situation.
Even with inexperience used as justification, it’s hard to believe these were professional pilots.
Agreed . How are they not aware of the time between de icing and take off ?
@@johndouglas5712 If the F/O and pilot are not greatly familiar with the type, they may not know how rapidly ice can accumulate on the flying surfaces, especially if they aren't used to flying in airports where icing can be an issue. I don't know if that is specifically what happened in this case, but it is a possibility. Second, it is very possible that "get there itis" set in. If you need a second run of de-icing, you lose your place in the departure queue and may find your takeoff significantly delayed.
Where are you from?
Respect for you. I cant make a video like this without crying. I love this channel so much!!
Btw what for simulator are you using for this?
Pretty sure he's using P3D
Okay
I love the new music. It seems fitting for the crashes and when everyone survives!
Awesome video keep up the good work
Sounds like the first officer had no business to have the responsibility of these passengers lives.I don't understand why the captain was not in control for take off!
Interviewer - "You say you failed the last three flight tests you've taken?"
Pilot - "Yep"
Interviewer - "Welcome aboard Continental, First Officer!"
You could make this up, seriously.
Beautiful, well-done video. Don't ever stop.
Great video like always
They get de their plane iced then wait 27 minutes in the snow and think that’s ok???? So glad that it’s so rare that 2 pilots mess up this bad.
I don't understand how 2 airline pilots can agree on moving an airplane without any clearance. It's like making an unacceptable mistake and squaring it.
Right?!
They didn't, the procedure was to be cleared to the de-ice pad by the ramp controller on a different frequency and then contact ground after de-ice for clearance to the runway.
Jeep Man - The NTSB report states that they did not have clearance.
You people are doing a great job, all the flight companies, captains, air traffic controllers, crews... All can have a great lessons, all these lessons must be included in the checklist before giving green signal to take off!!!
Great Vision The Flight Channel has, Thanks a lot!!!
This channel is addictive. Can't go to bed without my fix.