Yeah the fact that the 48 year old captain suffered cardiac arrest unexpectedly is very tragic I can’t imagine how his family felt when they heard how he died.
I worked for a major airline for 33 years. Right before I retired, they cut down pilot training time almost in half. That was concerning, but with all the new computer automation these days, I guess they felt a long training period wasn't necessary. I thought that was a mistake because computers can malfunction for a number of reasons and you had better know what to do when that happens. Passengers lives depend on you to know what to do in an emergency situation. I've been on hundreds of flights over the years, some, not on my airline but small puddle jumpers in foreign countries, and I thank my lucky stars, I'm still here.
God bless you and glad you’re still here too. As a FA for 18 yrs. I was so blessed to even get to fly with WWII, Korean War, and Vietnam pilots. You get spoiled with pilots with that kind of training flying you about. It is very disheartening to hear of pilot training being slashed in half. As you said learning these extremely complex computer systems requires more training, not less. I remember our new A-300 pilots spending several months in France learning the new plane and at that point, far less complicated computer systems, then even used today.
So, planes are like cars. The smarter they make the planes, the dumber they make the pilots (as the pilots become more and more dependent on the autopilot).
Definitely not my experience. I am recently retired and pilot sim training alone increased by about 50% in my last 10 years. Plus considerably more theoretical training. The standard of training also improved hugely. Introduction of advanced training programmes such as EBT that shift the focus towards areas identified by the SMS system and more LOFT scenarios that focus on human factors. Also the mandate of UPRT training on all recurrent training. Training continues to improve and flying continues to get safer. With the reliability of modern aircraft and accuracy of weather forecasting, pilot error will cause a higher proportion of accidents, but not more accidents. Flying is the safest it’s ever been - the statistics speak for themselves. Note - I worked for a European operator so can’t speak for the US/FAA.
A major airline? Please name them because it is my understanding that training is better than ever, with increased use of simulators that didn't really exist in such numbers until relatively recently.
Thanks to Flight Channel for reverting to its original, beautiful and high impact format. In both cases The First Officer could have taken suitable action to save the plane. Captain suddenly becoming incapacitated should not necessarily end in disaster
So glad the flight channel is back to stating how many passengers were on board the flight after announcing the date, time and place and also stating how many survivors there were (if any at all) right after the crash. Thank you flight channel.
Much better now.. no verbal narration.. this style gives off eerie vibes which I like.. makes the presentation suspenseful.. thanks TFC for hearing us out
As a native English speaker, I do think you have a great narration voice ^^, but I think at this point you've carved out a good niche for yourself with just using the text for narration and I think it's what your audience wants at this point.
In general I prefer texts in these kinds of videos, because I can stop, read slower or faster than speech, go back, reread, it has nothing to do with the creator's voice. (I also enjoy the background music he uses.)
In the first case, the copilot's lack of training caused this accident. Very sad. The reason there are two pilots is that if one has a heart attack and dies then the second pilot can still safely land the plane! Clear lack of training... really sad to see. My condolences to the people who died in this crash and their families. May their souls find their final resting place
@chadmcmillian1907 its been awhile since viewing this clip. Unfortunately that the captain sustained a heart attack tiring flight. The co pilot was unable to recover the flight pattern. Sad to those whose lost there lives in this flight.
This was such a sad event. All air crahses with loss of life are, but this especially strikes me as so sad. Peace to the crew and passengers and comfort to their loved ones.
@chadmc illan1902 My dear Sir, I do personally thank u for utilising the correct wording re the a/c , but I do not believe that the word (flight attendant) should never be utilized, because if an attendant is a man, then he is a STEWARD, but if she is a woman then she is a STEWARDESS. Period, & the word STEWARD is derived from the time when px traveled on boats 🚤,or ocean liners, & i do thank the history channel for utilising the correct times, such as 0900 or some other times 😢😢😢❤❤😊😊
Not too new to at least notice the damn throttle positions. When taking off, my hand stays on the throttle until I reach at least half my desired altitude. And with the captain incapacitated, first thing he should’ve done was looked at the throttles
That first one sounds like a "perfect storm" of things going wrong all at the same time. The pilot's incapacitation, the throttle issue, the cloud cover, the confusion over the difference in ADI.
Hi, i am from Romania, Bucharest, i was last year on the crash site and you could still find pieces of the aircraft (small pieces), In Romania rumors was circulating that the official explanations of the crash of the tarom flight 371 was not what really happened.
It's absolutely mind boggling how some of these accidents occur. We need pilots to be aviators first, not systems managers first. The first accident portrayed here, slam the damn thrust lever forward and level the wings. And I don't want to hear about the ADI. Any 10 year old who has flow a flight sim a few times can read and use and ADI.
Let's not forget it was a major difference between the soviet and western airplane instruments. A similar case was with croatian pilot flying for a Swiss airline, he did the same mistake. As well let's not forget that Romania was recovering from communist era, so the training was switching slowly to the modern airplanes, the simulators were not cheap (still today they are expensive). Another factor is that the airplane itself was faulty being old and the issue was addressed several times with temporary repairs.
If it's such a better format, then why does it have the lowest video views of aviation disaster channels? It packs much less info than Mentour Pilot, Green Dot Aviation, Pilot Debrief, Disease Breakdown. All those channels have many more views... which mean they make more money. Production quality is not as good on TFC either.
I dont understand how the copilot had so much difficulty transitioning from the soviet display to the western one. They both are very easy to understand…
I mean...they're easy to "understand," yes. But switching to something that's different from what you'd been using for months or years is not easy lmao.
@TheFlightChannel, Please keep this classic format that you've used so effectively all this time. I love it and it's one of the reasons I subscribed years ago. Thank you for your usual excellent video.
Missing he voice. CC can turn on and off subtitles but the hardcoded subtitles are hard on the eyes and can't be heard in the other room or while doing other things, as many people are accustomed to do. Press mute and CC and have it your way if you have hearing comprehension problems.
So, listened to the advice and stopped narrating the videos. Subtitles and ambient airplane noise is the best way to go for your content. As far as the content in this video, so tragic.😮😢❤
If I wanted to listen to a high-pitched noise I'd take a real flight. No voice narration, can't listen while working out or in the other room. Burned-in subtitles suck, use RUclips's CC function. That way at least hearing-disabled people can used their readers. but no, you selfish jerks won't hear of it.
I truly enjoy this format. It is spectacular and gripping. The less said the more learned. Like bring a gremlin watching from the outside in and inside out.
This has parallels to the infamous 'kid in the cockpit' Aeroflot A310 crash. In reality, there was a fully functional FO strapped in and in control in both the incidents. In the Aeroflot case, that he failed to salvage a completely recoverable situation leading to a crash led to everyone conveniently blaming the PIC for letting his son be in the left seat. To leave that teenager there wasn't correct at all, but that had zip to do with the actual crash. It's much the same with the PIC's death on this Tarom crash. Blame just the seemingly less than competent FO in both cases!
I’m an American, am Not a pilot, but every time I see the Western attitude indicator, I don’t get it. I would Automatically think I was wrongly tilted and turn in the opposite direction and crash. Maybe my brain is incorrectly wired, but I would never crash the Russian ATI, unless the airplane was flimsy.
To all flightsim experts out here Mentour had an excellent episode on Romanian crash, your captain dying while developing AST into a turn while into weather on a critical phase of a flight is not something that you learn in school sort of speak! FO had a lot of experience but was overwhelmed, real tragedy!
It took me a moment to really understand the ADI difference. In West, the Red/Blue background tilts back and forth. In Russia, the plane imagine tilts up and down as the plane banks. IE in west you see what the horizon should appear like outside the window. In Russia you see how the plane is tilted versus the horizon. Ahhhhhhh.....
If you turn left, the horizon tilts to the right, vice versa, while the other one is opposite, the symbol only moves. In crossair 498, because the captain is under the tranquilizer's effect, he was reverted to the time he was still in the eastern style plane, despite flying a western style plane. And also the FO did nothing to take over, and his shouting on the captain LEFT LEFT, only confuses the captain even more due to insufficient english skill
BOTH pilots were excellent, well trained and rested. This has to do with brain falling back to basic training in a crisis. With tens of thousand of flying hours of instruments you can misinterpret stuff, and this has to do with being human, not with lack of training or poor airmanship.
@@ciprian7243 Basic training in a crisis means Aviate (you fly the aircraft) Navigate (you know where you are and what's ahead) Communicate (You notify ATC of the problem) Flying the plane means you fly the plane you are at the controls of not some Russian plane you used to fly, that's why they have type ratings.
@@WayneM1961 ANC takes time. Again, Stoi was in a place where he did not know something was wrong (left turn on a throttling down engine), with no external reference. Put yourself in his shoes, give yourself 27 seconds from pilot calling a health issue to impact, cut down some seconds at the end when crash was inevitable and figure out if u had time to avoid it.
@@ciprian7243 Pilots react to critical situations with what they call "muscle memory." These are reflex actions they don't have to think about they are automatic responses, as for having "no external reference well that's what IFR flight is all about, they are external references.
@@Bill32H-it3sv Do you have any qualms about driving on a two-lane road with oncoming vehicles passing your vehicle mere feet away and with the chance that some of those drivers are distracted and/or impaired? You are safer in an airplane operated by competent and qualified pilots. On any given day, compare the number of people killed and injured in motor vehicle crashes in the US to those in aircraft crashes. There really is no comparison.
@@zygotezygotten6485 Yes. The amount of people killed due to vehicle accidents per year in the US would be equivalent to a medium size passenger jet crashing every day.
Your fears are unfounded. There are MILLIONS of safely conducted flights ✈️ for every accident. Example from 2009-2019 in the USA not a single death or even injury occured in commercial aviation ! During that same period an average of 50,000 Americans died EACH YEAR on highways. Literally, you have nothing to fear. The most danger is driving to / from the airport lol.
Okay, so as a avionics layman, what I have elarned form this clip is simply this: lots of pilots use drugs, drink booze like fish, and at least some of them have medical conditions that should make them unfit to fly. Did I miss anything?
I believe, that experienced pilot can read any type of horizon indicator, especially when bank angle is rising. Many times before I heard about spatial disorientation, when a pilot trusts more his own feelings and mistrusts the instrument(for example, while plane is turns, the acceleration make a false horizon feeling when there is no visual contact with a ground).
These two situations look like flights where the pilots should have taken control of their airplanes and flown the planes, stabilizing them, getting them nie and level, and then figured out, with the help of air traffic control, where they were and where they needed to go. I'm not seeing evidence of that in either of the videos.
This particular plane had a known defect regarding the throttle moving back on it's own during climb out. The pilots were well aware of it. Maintenance had tried several times to fix the problem unsuccessfully. Normally one of the pilots would :"guard the throttle" by using his hand to prevent the throttle from retarding. In has panic, the co pilot forgot to do that.
I have no experience flying or with Russian-style ADI's but it took exactly 10 seconds of explanation in this video so I could have adjusted to either style! Inept!
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And this, gentle viewer, is why you should never set foot on any airplane. They are often piloted by people who are arrogant and ill-trained.
I flew C-130s during the late '70s and 80s. My biased opinion is that we've come to rely [and trust] too much on automation and pilot training, and skills have been neglected at the expense of overall safety.
When a pilot looks at the Soviet ADI the pilot instantly sees the position of the aircraft, whether it's banking left or right or level or pitching up or down. This seems to make more sense. But I'm not a pilot. I'm sure pilots adapt to whichever system they always use. But why doesn't everyone use the Soviet ADI since the pilot is attempting to control the aircraft and not the horizon?
Nevertheless.. The Flight Channel has had always been adored by the Text Format Narration which: 1. Is short and Sweet 2. Is Reliable and Quick to Glance. 3. Important Details like Tail Number and Call Sign are shown. 4. More Immersive than Vocal Narration. Vocal Narration gets 3 Stars, But then the Text Based Simulatory Video gets 7 Stars off 10 Stars. Please retain this Text based Narration rather than the Voice based Narration. Thanks in Advance from the Indian Sub-continent
There was clearly nothing coming from the left, and the pedestrian lights showed that the road on the left had a red light. There were no pedestrians in sight, so therefore it was safe to proceed. But the law is the law, isn't it? How often I have waited at a red light when there isn't a soul in sight!
Wind laser satellite, nothing else. The cold in a freezer in the form of laser beam crashes planes, trucks, buses. F1 cars can win, if fired in the right direction, soccer ball can fly in goal when paid, many sport accidents, or achievements. The laser is so precise, even the lottery balls can do a win.
Definitely a sad one, the first officer should always know he or she is able to say I Have The Plane anytime they realize something is wrong. Especially when they know the pilot is unconscious. They can't do check lists or call outs together. The first officer must do it! I've seen a few cases in which that pilot was lacking the confidence to do so. Again, very sad. RIP all souls!
I don't see the difference between the artificial horizons, in both cases you should make the straight line with the wings and horizontal position turning the plane to the RIGHT side
One would think by now, given the sophistication of GPS, radar, radio telemetry, etc., that the airplanes would be equipped with software that, absent a mechanical breakdown, would make it virtually impossible for the planes to execute maneuvers or accept commands from the flight deck that would put the plane on a collision course. A sort of emergency auto pilot that if the plane was turned at a severe bank angle or was on the verge of stalling, the emergency auto pilot would communicate with onboard radar to make sure there were no other planes in their immediate vicinity, then literally take control of the plane and level off flight before the plane, due to the human pilots disorientation, augered into the ground below. I mean if auto pilot can fly and land the plane, it should be able to take control of the plane when the human pilots are clearly on a deadly flight path.
It is SHOCKING to see the amount of hate the copilot is getting from basically couch pilots. BOTH were excellent, well trained pilots, albeit on Eastern built planes due to, well...communism. Now put yourselves in the shoes of the copilot. You are in clouds, with NO indication of anything being wrong (and trust me, in clouds the ear can play tricks on you and actually fly close to inverted without realizing it). Then your colleagues DIES next to you. You have to troubleshoot an AST which you never knew existed in the first place due to clouds (which the dying copilot was guarding against), with no EXTERNAL cue, at a VERY low altitude, all within seconds. If any of you id... home based pilots think you would have done a better job, could have ignored your dying colleague and focus on Aviating...I don`t believe you. Stop throwing sh it at a good pilot that actually found himself in a near impossible situation, sorting out an issue he never knew existed (hence trying to activate A/P to give himself time to figure things out), all in literally seconds. Disgusting attitude
Please explain your expertise with aircraft. I'm sure everyone will believe what you say just because you posted it in an social media comments thread, lol.
I would think the fact that Captain Batanoiu was having a heart attack probably scared the piss out of First Officer Stoi which is what made him forget how to fly the aircraft until he died. Understandable, at least.
No it's not "understandable". It is incompetence with healthy dose of stupidity (you would THINK that they would look at their instruments AND understand what they are seeing. THAT IS THEIR JOB FOR CHRIST SAKE) that caused the crash. There is nothing "understandable" in this accident.
@@vidura I see YOU don't look at this from the POV of the First Officer. Imagine this: You're flying and you request your colleague to do something. He fails to do it and instead tells you he doesn't feel good before passing out. Before you know it, your aircraft has left a level attitude and the thrust levers have moved positions without you knowing. Now you're lost in clouds and have no idea what's causing your plane to bank and you know you're about to die with no possible chance for recovery. I'm not gonna sit here and let you just trash on the copilot like this because you're not opening your freaking eyes and actually considering what he was going through in those few short seconds.
I’ll have to disagree as well. As much as it may have bothered the FO seeing the Captain in the state he was in, it was still his responsibility to retain control of the aircraft once the Captain had become incapacitated. Do you think the family members of the passengers that perished would accept “The first officer had a mental breakdown upon witnessing Batanoiu suffer a heart attack” as a legitimate excuse? A few might express empathy, but I’m sure most of them would wonder why he wasn’t trained to anticipate a scenario such as this. And yes, as a former E.M.T., I’ve been in situations in the past where patients would suddenly suffer heart attacks seemingly out of the blue, and even an incident where a coworker of mine experienced one WHILE we were tending to a patient. Keeping my emotions in check is what kept them alive in the end, at least while under my care.
Can anyone help me here. I was sat overlooking Kefalonia Airport yesterday 24 SEPT 2024 (approx 18:20 local time) and a BA One World aircraft entered the runway ready to take off, when a non branded TUI aircraft was about to land. The TUI aircraft powered up at around 4 to 500ft to go around. My question is: would this be classed as a ‘near miss’ and would this have been documented or recorded online anywhere? I looked at flightradar once I got an internet connection later that evening but could not see anything.
Ok, i'm not a pilot, but even if the ADI works differently isn't it pretty self-explanatory? It's not like he'd never seen one before. I know there was a whole separate problem, i just wondered.
There are pros and cons to both systems. Certainly the soviet style is more immediate to understand, but the western style is consistent with what you see outside, so in some situations it can prevent confusion.
I think when you're in IMC, the Soviet style ADI is more intuitive. When you're in VMC and tou can see the horizon, the Western style is more intuitive.
I’m sorry but a western ADI is not that hard to interpret. It’s beyond baffling that an ADI would cause these pilots with thousands of flight hours to be so befuddled that they not only couldn’t comprehend what they were looking at but couldn’t even correct their actions. There’s just no way.
Hi, i'm looking for a video that I think you've made earlier, I just cannot find it. It was an aircraft that was on the wrong runway that was too short on takeoff and they crashed. In the audio you could hear the pilots scream in panic as well. It must've been either foggy or late at night Which plane was that?
@@621pw Can I ask about another accident as well? What I remember is the pilots talking about a previous crash, and upon takeoff they lose control and crash after maybe 10-20 seconds.
Yeah the fact that the 48 year old captain suffered cardiac arrest unexpectedly is very tragic I can’t imagine how his family felt when they heard how he died.
Sounds like they got a 2 for 1.. he had a heart attack and plane crash
VAXXAIDED ?? I bet you are if u say no , how come nobody in the flt community want to talk about it eh ??
He was VaxxAided eh , can u handle the truth ?? Thought so bet u are eh 👌
@@-Hardhat-what are you talking about?? Is this code for something???
@Sushi2735 No code , did you get the covid Vaccine ?
I worked for a major airline for 33 years. Right before I retired, they cut down pilot training time almost in half. That was concerning, but with all the new computer automation these days, I guess they felt a long training period wasn't necessary. I thought that was a mistake because computers can malfunction for a number of reasons and you had better know what to do when that happens. Passengers lives depend on you to know what to do in an emergency situation. I've been on hundreds of flights over the years, some, not on my airline but small puddle jumpers in foreign countries, and I thank my lucky stars, I'm still here.
God bless you and glad you’re still here too. As a FA for 18 yrs. I was so blessed to even get to fly with WWII, Korean War, and Vietnam pilots. You get spoiled with pilots with that kind of training flying you about.
It is very disheartening to hear of pilot training being slashed in half. As you said learning these extremely complex computer systems requires more training, not less. I remember our new A-300 pilots spending several months in France learning the new plane and at that point, far less complicated computer systems, then even used today.
So, planes are like cars. The smarter they make the planes, the dumber they make the pilots (as the pilots become more and more dependent on the autopilot).
The top priority passengers on any airline will always be the D's. As in dollars.
Definitely not my experience.
I am recently retired and pilot sim training alone increased by about 50% in my last 10 years.
Plus considerably more theoretical training.
The standard of training also improved hugely.
Introduction of advanced training programmes such as EBT that shift the focus towards areas identified by the SMS system and more LOFT scenarios that focus on human factors. Also the mandate of UPRT training on all recurrent training.
Training continues to improve and flying continues to get safer.
With the reliability of modern aircraft and accuracy of weather forecasting, pilot error will cause a higher proportion of accidents, but not more accidents.
Flying is the safest it’s ever been - the statistics speak for themselves.
Note - I worked for a European operator so can’t speak for the US/FAA.
A major airline? Please name them because it is my understanding that training is better than ever, with increased use of simulators that didn't really exist in such numbers until relatively recently.
Thanks to Flight Channel for reverting to its original, beautiful and high impact format.
In both cases The First Officer could have taken suitable action to save the plane. Captain suddenly becoming incapacitated should not necessarily end in disaster
"Captain suddenly becoming incapacitated should not necessarily end in disaster."
Well, obviously.
I want the original music back as well!!!❤
seem the first officer was not familiar with the plane
"beautiful"....are you for real? FFS!
@K.B.Ravindra I thought the co pilot was supose to know how to fly the plane
So glad the flight channel is back to stating how many passengers were on board the flight after announcing the date, time and place and also stating how many survivors there were (if any at all) right after the crash. Thank you flight channel.
Much better now.. no verbal narration.. this style gives off eerie vibes which I like.. makes the presentation suspenseful.. thanks TFC for hearing us out
I want the original music as well!❤
Sad for the visually impaired who thrived on the voiceovers
As a native English speaker, I do think you have a great narration voice ^^, but I think at this point you've carved out a good niche for yourself with just using the text for narration and I think it's what your audience wants at this point.
In general I prefer texts in these kinds of videos, because I can stop, read slower or faster than speech, go back, reread, it has nothing to do with the creator's voice. (I also enjoy the background music he uses.)
In the first case, the copilot's lack of training caused this accident. Very sad. The reason there are two pilots is that if one has a heart attack and dies then the second pilot can still safely land the plane! Clear lack of training... really sad to see. My condolences to the people who died in this crash and their families. May their souls find their final resting place
@chadmcmillian1907 its been awhile since viewing this clip. Unfortunately that the captain sustained a heart attack tiring flight. The co pilot was unable to recover the flight pattern. Sad to those whose lost there lives in this flight.
Sorry meant to say during flight.
@@kay9549 Cardiac arrest. That's when your heart stops and you lose consciousness.
This was such a sad event. All air crahses with loss of life are, but this especially strikes me as so sad. Peace to the crew and passengers and comfort to their loved ones.
@chadmc illan1902 My dear Sir, I do personally thank u for utilising the correct wording re the a/c , but I do not believe that the word (flight attendant) should never be utilized, because if an attendant is a man, then he is a STEWARD, but if she is a woman then she is a STEWARDESS. Period, & the word STEWARD is derived from the time when px traveled on boats 🚤,or ocean liners, & i do thank the history channel for utilising the correct times, such as 0900 or some other times 😢😢😢❤❤😊😊
TheFlightChannel,
Liking this format better......👍
Excellent format...BRILLIANT THANK YOU.
I couldn't imagine sitting next to my son's and being absolutely helpless not being able to save them.
The Co-pilot had 650 hours on this aircraft...You'd think he was 'familiar' with western style ADIs....Seems he forgot how to fly...
He was most likely in shock and couldn't access the information in his brain, muscle memory yes but the other skills blocked
His copilot couldn’t hang for even 1.5 min. He was agitated when he requested AP, because he knew, then, his fate
650 hours is not familiar enough in the aviation world. It's still considered new.
Not too new to at least notice the damn throttle positions. When taking off, my hand stays on the throttle until I reach at least half my desired altitude. And with the captain incapacitated, first thing he should’ve done was looked at the throttles
He'd just had the captain die at the side of him. That's very traumatic and must have affected him badly.
Thank goodness the best format is back! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
Can't listen in the other room, the burned in subtitles can't be turned off with RUclips's CC button.
That first one sounds like a "perfect storm" of things going wrong all at the same time. The pilot's incapacitation, the throttle issue, the cloud cover, the confusion over the difference in ADI.
Hi, i am from Romania, Bucharest, i was last year on the crash site and you could still find pieces of the aircraft (small pieces), In Romania rumors was circulating that the official explanations of the crash of the tarom flight 371 was not what really happened.
Unbelievable incompetence. Just, unbelievable.
It's absolutely mind boggling how some of these accidents occur. We need pilots to be aviators first, not systems managers first. The first accident portrayed here, slam the damn thrust lever forward and level the wings. And I don't want to hear about the ADI. Any 10 year old who has flow a flight sim a few times can read and use and ADI.
No
Let's not forget it was a major difference between the soviet and western airplane instruments. A similar case was with croatian pilot flying for a Swiss airline, he did the same mistake. As well let's not forget that Romania was recovering from communist era, so the training was switching slowly to the modern airplanes, the simulators were not cheap (still today they are expensive). Another factor is that the airplane itself was faulty being old and the issue was addressed several times with temporary repairs.
Look up "Pakistan International Airlines Flight 8303" if you want to see incompetence.
THANK YOU! I, along with many others I'm sure, appreciate your going back to your original, BETTER format!
If it's such a better format, then why does it have the lowest video views of aviation disaster channels? It packs much less info than Mentour Pilot, Green Dot Aviation, Pilot Debrief, Disease Breakdown. All those channels have many more views... which mean they make more money. Production quality is not as good on TFC either.
Welcome back FC
89 seconds after take off.. Thats so sad, RIP all souls..
Good episode! It has been a while, but I may start binging again.
Thank goodness Flight Channel ! 😀For the old format! Thank you so much!😀
I dont understand how the copilot had so much difficulty transitioning from the soviet display to the western one. They both are very easy to understand…
Not if you are so used to the former
Not if you're Russian.
I mean...they're easy to "understand," yes. But switching to something that's different from what you'd been using for months or years is not easy lmao.
Changing from the soviet display to the western one is even easier.
@@gustavoc6812 no
Yes sir....maintain this format. Makes the channel unique. Good job.
Thank God!he listened and made his video in his old format!
Our deepest condolences with romanian people. From Afghanistan!
@TheFlightChannel, Please keep this classic format that you've used so effectively all this time. I love it and it's one of the reasons I subscribed years ago. Thank you for your usual excellent video.
Missing he voice. CC can turn on and off subtitles but the hardcoded subtitles are hard on the eyes and can't be heard in the other room or while doing other things, as many people are accustomed to do. Press mute and CC and have it your way if you have hearing comprehension problems.
The narrated formats such as Mentour Pilot, Pilot Debrief, 74 gear, Disaster Dreakdown, and Green Dot Aviation provide much more content.
So, listened to the advice and stopped narrating the videos. Subtitles and ambient airplane noise is the best way to go for your content. As far as the content in this video, so tragic.😮😢❤
that other narrated one wasn't the first. they might just narrate one or the other:)
If I wanted to listen to a high-pitched noise I'd take a real flight. No voice narration, can't listen while working out or in the other room. Burned-in subtitles suck, use RUclips's CC function. That way at least hearing-disabled people can used their readers. but no, you selfish jerks won't hear of it.
So what RUclips Channel do you have?
@@Atomwaffen-y3s don't "have" one, I'm employed by one though.
I truly enjoy this format. It is spectacular and gripping. The less said the more learned. Like bring a gremlin watching from the outside in and inside out.
The narrated formats such as Mentour Pilot, Pilot Debrief, 74 gear, Disaster Dreakdown, and Green Dot Aviation provide much more content.
Maybe they should have at least one pilot who knows how to fly.
This has parallels to the infamous 'kid in the cockpit' Aeroflot A310 crash. In reality, there was a fully functional FO strapped in and in control in both the incidents. In the Aeroflot case, that he failed to salvage a completely recoverable situation leading to a crash led to everyone conveniently blaming the PIC for letting his son be in the left seat. To leave that teenager there wasn't correct at all, but that had zip to do with the actual crash. It's much the same with the PIC's death on this Tarom crash. Blame just the seemingly less than competent FO in both cases!
RIP and Condolences
I’m an American, am Not a pilot, but every time I see the Western attitude indicator, I don’t get it. I would Automatically think I was wrongly tilted and turn in the opposite direction and crash. Maybe my brain is incorrectly wired, but I would never crash the Russian ATI, unless the airplane was flimsy.
To all flightsim experts out here Mentour had an excellent episode on Romanian crash, your captain dying while developing AST into a turn while into weather on a critical phase of a flight is not something that you learn in school sort of speak! FO had a lot of experience but was overwhelmed, real tragedy!
The narrated formats such as Mentour Pilot, Pilot Debrief, 74 gear, Disaster Dreakdown, and Green Dot Aviation provide much more content.
Thanks for producing these videos. This channel produces videos which are both fascinating and sad at the same time!
WELCOME BACK OG
Flight Channel you're back. Thank you.
RIP to those who died
The narrated formats such as Mentour Pilot, Pilot Debrief, 74 gear, Disaster Dreakdown, and Green Dot Aviation provide much more content.
I always think of this first flight as the craziest combination of circumstances of any flight disaster I’ve ever seen
It took me a moment to really understand the ADI difference.
In West, the Red/Blue background tilts back and forth.
In Russia, the plane imagine tilts up and down as the plane banks.
IE in west you see what the horizon should appear like outside the window. In Russia you see how the plane is tilted versus the horizon.
Ahhhhhhh.....
If you turn left, the horizon tilts to the right, vice versa, while the other one is opposite, the symbol only moves. In crossair 498, because the captain is under the tranquilizer's effect, he was reverted to the time he was still in the eastern style plane, despite flying a western style plane. And also the FO did nothing to take over, and his shouting on the captain LEFT LEFT, only confuses the captain even more due to insufficient english skill
"I'm not sure which side is up." -"You're hired."
How the hell can pilots get a type rating for a particular aircraft if they clearly don't understand basic instrumentation.
BOTH pilots were excellent, well trained and rested. This has to do with brain falling back to basic training in a crisis. With tens of thousand of flying hours of instruments you can misinterpret stuff, and this has to do with being human, not with lack of training or poor airmanship.
@@ciprian7243 Basic training in a crisis means Aviate (you fly the aircraft) Navigate (you know where you are and what's ahead) Communicate (You notify ATC of the problem) Flying the plane means you fly the plane you are at the controls of not some Russian plane you used to fly, that's why they have type ratings.
@@WayneM1961 ANC takes time. Again, Stoi was in a place where he did not know something was wrong (left turn on a throttling down engine), with no external reference. Put yourself in his shoes, give yourself 27 seconds from pilot calling a health issue to impact, cut down some seconds at the end when crash was inevitable and figure out if u had time to avoid it.
@@ciprian7243 Pilots react to critical situations with what they call "muscle memory." These are reflex actions they don't have to think about they are automatic responses, as for having "no external reference well that's what IFR flight is all about, they are external references.
The more of these I watch the less desire I have to fly.
@@Bill32H-it3sv ...me neither...my times of gambling in the sky is over
@@Bill32H-it3svwhy?
@@Bill32H-it3sv Do you have any qualms about driving on a two-lane road with oncoming vehicles passing your vehicle mere feet away and with the chance that some of those drivers are distracted and/or impaired? You are safer in an airplane operated by competent and qualified pilots. On any given day, compare the number of people killed and injured in motor vehicle crashes in the US to those in aircraft crashes. There really is no comparison.
@@zygotezygotten6485 Yes. The amount of people killed due to vehicle accidents per year in the US would be equivalent to a medium size passenger jet crashing every day.
Your fears are unfounded.
There are MILLIONS of safely conducted flights ✈️ for every accident.
Example from 2009-2019 in the USA not a single death or even injury occured in commercial aviation !
During that same period an average of 50,000 Americans died EACH YEAR on highways.
Literally, you have nothing to fear.
The most danger is driving to / from the airport lol.
Okay, so as a avionics layman, what I have elarned form this clip is simply this: lots of pilots use drugs, drink booze like fish, and at least some of them have medical conditions that should make them unfit to fly. Did I miss anything?
I believe, that experienced pilot can read any type of horizon indicator, especially when bank angle is rising. Many times before I heard about spatial disorientation, when a pilot trusts more his own feelings and mistrusts the instrument(for example, while plane is turns, the acceleration make a false horizon feeling when there is no visual contact with a ground).
Horrible😢
Thank you so much!
These two situations look like flights where the pilots should have taken control of their airplanes and flown the planes, stabilizing them, getting them nie and level, and then figured out, with the help of air traffic control, where they were and where they needed to go. I'm not seeing evidence of that in either of the videos.
Well, for the passengers peering out the window, their minds must of scrambled in incomprehension.
This particular plane had a known defect regarding the throttle moving back on it's own during climb out. The pilots were well aware of it. Maintenance had tried several times to fix the problem unsuccessfully. Normally one of the pilots would :"guard the throttle" by using his hand to prevent the throttle from retarding. In has panic, the co pilot forgot to do that.
western airlines need to stop hiring soviet trained pilots... i dont' know how many crashes have come about due to the ADI being different
How far back in time do I need to go to get to the good quality videos of this channel?
This is horrible I feel so bad!
Rip:(
I have no experience flying or with Russian-style ADI's but it took exactly 10 seconds of explanation in this video so I could have adjusted to either style! Inept!
And this, gentle viewer, is why you should never set foot on any airplane. They are often piloted by people who are arrogant and ill-trained.
YALL WAKE UP FC POSTED
The people have spoken, and the channel listened to our preference.
Everyone on board was doomed when the Captain had his heart attack and died.
The narrated formats such as Mentour Pilot, Pilot Debrief, 74 gear, Disaster Dreakdown, and Green Dot Aviation provide much more content.
I flew C-130s during the late '70s and 80s. My biased opinion is that we've come to rely [and trust] too much on automation and pilot training, and skills have been neglected at the expense of overall safety.
Can’t imagine what it’s like for the passengers knowing they are going to die 😢
When a pilot looks at the Soviet ADI the pilot instantly sees the position of the aircraft, whether it's banking left or right or level or pitching up or down. This seems to make more sense. But I'm not a pilot. I'm sure pilots adapt to whichever system they always use. But why doesn't everyone use the Soviet ADI since the pilot is attempting to control the aircraft and not the horizon?
Nevertheless.. The Flight Channel has had always been adored by the Text Format Narration which: 1. Is short and Sweet
2. Is Reliable and Quick to Glance.
3. Important Details like Tail Number and Call Sign are shown.
4. More Immersive than Vocal Narration.
Vocal Narration gets 3 Stars, But then the Text Based Simulatory Video gets 7 Stars off 10 Stars.
Please retain this Text based Narration rather than the Voice based Narration.
Thanks in Advance from the Indian Sub-continent
There was clearly nothing coming from the left, and the pedestrian lights showed that the road on the left had a red light. There were no pedestrians in sight, so therefore it was safe to proceed. But the law is the law, isn't it? How often I have waited at a red light when there isn't a soul in sight!
I was on that flight ✈️💥🔥🤕
Wind laser satellite, nothing else. The cold in a freezer in the form of laser beam crashes planes, trucks, buses.
F1 cars can win, if fired in the right direction, soccer ball can fly in goal when paid, many sport accidents, or achievements.
The laser is so precise, even the lottery balls can do a win.
wow.
Definitely a sad one, the first officer should always know he or she is able to say I Have The Plane anytime they realize something is wrong. Especially when they know the pilot is unconscious. They can't do check lists or call outs together. The first officer must do it! I've seen a few cases in which that pilot was lacking the confidence to do so. Again, very sad. RIP all souls!
There couldn't be a more worst time for Medical Emergency than Thousands of feet in the Air.. :{ :{
The report never mentions any inexperience or confusion from the co-pilot at all.
I don't see the difference between the artificial horizons, in both cases you should make the straight line with the wings and horizontal position turning the plane to the RIGHT side
One would think by now, given the sophistication of GPS, radar, radio telemetry, etc., that the airplanes would be equipped with software that, absent a mechanical breakdown, would make it virtually impossible for the planes to execute maneuvers or accept commands from the flight deck that would put the plane on a collision course. A sort of emergency auto pilot that if the plane was turned at a severe bank angle or was on the verge of stalling, the emergency auto pilot would communicate with onboard radar to make sure there were no other planes in their immediate vicinity, then literally take control of the plane and level off flight before the plane, due to the human pilots disorientation, augered into the ground below.
I mean if auto pilot can fly and land the plane, it should be able to take control of the plane when the human pilots are clearly on a deadly flight path.
It is SHOCKING to see the amount of hate the copilot is getting from basically couch pilots. BOTH were excellent, well trained pilots, albeit on Eastern built planes due to, well...communism.
Now put yourselves in the shoes of the copilot. You are in clouds, with NO indication of anything being wrong (and trust me, in clouds the ear can play tricks on you and actually fly close to inverted without realizing it). Then your colleagues DIES next to you. You have to troubleshoot an AST which you never knew existed in the first place due to clouds (which the dying copilot was guarding against), with no EXTERNAL cue, at a VERY low altitude, all within seconds. If any of you id... home based pilots think you would have done a better job, could have ignored your dying colleague and focus on Aviating...I don`t believe you. Stop throwing sh it at a good pilot that actually found himself in a near impossible situation, sorting out an issue he never knew existed (hence trying to activate A/P to give himself time to figure things out), all in literally seconds.
Disgusting attitude
Please explain your expertise with aircraft. I'm sure everyone will believe what you say just because you posted it in an social media comments thread, lol.
I would think the fact that Captain Batanoiu was having a heart attack probably scared the piss out of First Officer Stoi which is what made him forget how to fly the aircraft until he died. Understandable, at least.
No it's not "understandable". It is incompetence with healthy dose of stupidity (you would THINK that they would look at their instruments AND understand what they are seeing. THAT IS THEIR JOB FOR CHRIST SAKE) that caused the crash. There is nothing "understandable" in this accident.
@@vidura I see YOU don't look at this from the POV of the First Officer.
Imagine this:
You're flying and you request your colleague to do something. He fails to do it and instead tells you he doesn't feel good before passing out. Before you know it, your aircraft has left a level attitude and the thrust levers have moved positions without you knowing. Now you're lost in clouds and have no idea what's causing your plane to bank and you know you're about to die with no possible chance for recovery.
I'm not gonna sit here and let you just trash on the copilot like this because you're not opening your freaking eyes and actually considering what he was going through in those few short seconds.
@@vidurawow you must be terrible
@dyslexicbatnam1350 Aye. I think its a tutu. I pink frilly one as well.
I’ll have to disagree as well. As much as it may have bothered the FO seeing the Captain in the state he was in, it was still his responsibility to retain control of the aircraft once the Captain had become incapacitated.
Do you think the family members of the passengers that perished would accept “The first officer had a mental breakdown upon witnessing Batanoiu suffer a heart attack” as a legitimate excuse? A few might express empathy, but I’m sure most of them would wonder why he wasn’t trained to anticipate a scenario such as this.
And yes, as a former E.M.T., I’ve been in situations in the past where patients would suddenly suffer heart attacks seemingly out of the blue, and even an incident where a coworker of mine experienced one WHILE we were tending to a patient. Keeping my emotions in check is what kept them alive in the end, at least while under my care.
bro can you next remake japan airlines flight 123??
89 seconds after Take Off?.....that was a long 89 seconds!
Exactly why I don’t fly
Can anyone help me here. I was sat overlooking Kefalonia Airport yesterday 24 SEPT 2024 (approx 18:20 local time) and a BA One World aircraft entered the runway ready to take off, when a non branded TUI aircraft was about to land. The TUI aircraft powered up at around 4 to 500ft to go around. My question is: would this be classed as a ‘near miss’ and would this have been documented or recorded online anywhere? I looked at flightradar once I got an internet connection later that evening but could not see anything.
Don't know this.
Ok, i'm not a pilot, but even if the ADI works differently isn't it pretty self-explanatory? It's not like he'd never seen one before. I know there was a whole separate problem, i just wondered.
Incompetence.......yet again comrade.
How much you want to bet you will not see the actual crash or after, due to restrictive watchers from the tube.
I used to be able to see the crashes and the debri on the ground in watching Air Crash Investigations.
Our freedoms have been slowly ebbing away.
Thanks for not talking.
In 2024, do we have one set standard for all instruments? 🤷🏽♂️
I’ve always thought the Soviet style to be way more intuitive.
There are pros and cons to both systems. Certainly the soviet style is more immediate to understand, but the western style is consistent with what you see outside, so in some situations it can prevent confusion.
I think when you're in IMC, the Soviet style ADI is more intuitive. When you're in VMC and tou can see the horizon, the Western style is more intuitive.
You've always been wrong about that
@@Tom_Hadler
Always?
Death mode activated.
Ridiculous accidents, both.
My goodness 😳
Some Pilots Just Dont Belong Flying Certain Planes....Too Bad it Takes a Tragedy Like This to Show Why
i seen the animation part before
You say "similar incident" to an airplane crash? That ain't no incident, it's an ACCIDENT.
Rip people who died
I SNIFF STEWARDESS NYLON TOES ON MY FLIGHTS, I FLY FOR UNITED AND OUR CUTIES COVER MY NOSE WITH HOSE TOES AS I FLY AT 36 000
Aaand ofc he started re-uploading
Edit:kind of??
Is this an Airbus problem with the thrust lever?
I’m sorry but a western ADI is not that hard to interpret. It’s beyond baffling that an ADI would cause these pilots with thousands of flight hours to be so befuddled that they not only couldn’t comprehend what they were looking at but couldn’t even correct their actions. There’s just no way.
Hi, i'm looking for a video that I think you've made earlier, I just cannot find it. It was an aircraft that was on the wrong runway that was too short on takeoff and they crashed. In the audio you could hear the pilots scream in panic as well. It must've been either foggy or late at night
Which plane was that?
It might be Comair Flight 5191 that you're looking for - Kentucky; the take off attempt from a taxiway - it's in Season 5.
@@621pw Thank you so much, been looking for that particular video for a long time.
@@Tankeenify Thank you - happy to help!
@@621pw Can I ask about another accident as well? What I remember is the pilots talking about a previous crash, and upon takeoff they lose control and crash after maybe 10-20 seconds.
No problem - That'll be Delta 1141 - it's in Season 6. 'Crashing 22 seconds after take off' or something like that...
Wow, that second captain on a powerful drug! No wonder flight crews are now regularly and randomly drug tested!
Terrifying
Suggestion: When possible, you should show the ACI animation of the impact like Allen Joshua Ibay😎
so much for autopilot
The ATS wasn't the cause of the crash! The co pilots inexperience in not being able to read the altimeter and not using auto pilot was the cause
No
Altiumeter has literally nothing to do with this crash and AP could not have been engaged at that point due to plane being in a too large bank angle.
@@ciprian7243 I assume English isn't your language