Crashing 22 Seconds After Takeoff in Texas | TWO Deadly Flights (With Real Audio)
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As my Momma used to say:
"If you're minding OTHER people's business, you'll surely be neglecting YOURS !"
This crash is a case in point !
Well said
Your mom is 1000% correct here.
I can only hope my ex-wife will read your words. I’ve never heard them before (that I can remember), but I will remember them always from now on. Thank you!!!!
Indeed
Also I live in Houston and trust me when I said Texans are minding other people's business
As people are asking:
Continental 1713, number of deaths: 28 (the captain, the first officer, one flight attendant and 25 of the passengers died). Survivors: 54.
Delta 1141: Two of the four flight attendants and 12 of the 101 passengers on board died in the crash. Captain Davis, First Officer Kirkland, two cabin crew members, and 22 passengers were seriously injured. Flight Engineer Judd and 49 passengers received minor injuries. Survivors: 94
Thank you !
Captain and FO must feel very bad and guilty after that nonsense talk and the resulting crash. Were they suspended after that ?
@@cosmicpapa the fight crew were all fired but the flight engineer was reinstated after an appeal. I can’t find much more information about the crew after the investigation
I wonder if the flight attendant he was making a pass at was one of the two he killed.
ONLY 94 of the 108 people on board survived?
THE IRONY on the delta cvr oh my god
the fact that they were talking about crashing before crashing
Yeah, right? They didn't state if any of the crew survived, nor how many in the first crash.
@@donnabaardsen5372 Google
Just UNBELIEVABLE!
_Forgone_ irony. We had a university classmate who on weekends worked the night shift front desk at a hotel in Manhattan. He told us his location was apparently popular with flight crewmembers coming in from JFK and LaGuardia. One evening, a crew showed up -- pilots and female attendants -- and while checking in discussed who would sleep with who that night -- and quite openly -- as if he, our classmate, wasn't even there. Moralizations aside, all that he described gave me an impression of a level of carelessness and lack of regard that would be ill-suited for safe air travel.
You can hear screaming!
For those curious if the crew survived Delta 1141, all survived except for two flight attendants. Most of those who died on the plane died from smoke inhalation. Sadly one passenger safely exited but decided to return back onboard to save his wife and others and suffered severe burns and died 11 days later. If he had stayed off he would've survived. The pilots were fired. First officer had bruises and a mild concussion. The captain had some broken ribs and a few other things requiring surgery. Most injuries were with those towards the rear of the plane that took most of the force. 18 passengers suffered no injuries whatsoever. The FAA was also mildly faulted as it was aware of Delta's inefficiencies and issues with crew management but didn't address it, as was Delta for knowingly allowing such laxed behaviour of pilots during sterile periods.
R.I.P to the unfortunate person saving lives and dying
So sorry for all those who died RIP
Grossest thing about it is that they discussed crashing as if it was some kind of entertainment piece and when asked about flaps... basically just assumed they'd been done. What a sickening situation to listen to.
Yeah and saying they needed to provide chit-chat on the recorder for their families to listen to in case they crashed too. Sickening to think that, if you fly a considerable amount, the odds are that on at least one of those flights similar conversations have carried on in the cockpit prior to taking off.
I totally agree
Tempting fate has consequences...they did it.
I witnessed 1141 crash. I lived in Euless and would cut through a service road south of the runway on the way to my job in Las Colinas. Also, two of the passengers were regular customers of mine, one who didn't survive.
My condolences.
Some of the things we have had happen here at DFW are haunting.
“Sterile cockpit & checklists!”
I lost track of how many times that was hammered into me, even as a primary student.
First episode: It is inconceivable to me how a pilot with 12,000 hours' experience decides he can just taxi from the gate to the deicing pad (or anywhere else) without clearance from the relevant controller. Then, notwithstanding his inexperience with the DC-9, how does that Captain not understand that sitting on the ground for a long time after deicing not recoat the wings with ice? His copilot might not have the requisite experience, but the Captain should, and that specific understanding does not depend on a type rating. Ice danger applies to a Cessna 172 also. The airline's attempt to lie about the incident, blaming it on the controllers and wake turbulence, is so offensive that the airline should have been fined just for that and the company executive charged with making deliberately false statements to government officials. Second incident: Not much to say. The first officer confirms that flaps are in the correct takeoff position when they are not. Was he even looking at the flap controls when he said it? Unprofessional behavior in the cockpit cost lives. Additionally, the pilots did not understand the relationship between angle of attack and disruption of air flow into the rear-mounted engines. That's something very important that every pilot certified on a 727 should have known from training and simulation.
You've that accident at Arlanda, Sweden also with a DC9 that crashed, ice on the wings that destroyed both engines, in this case everyone survied.
For the second one... How easy is to blame the pilots.
For sure they were wrong.
But the TOCWS not sounding? Is that also a pilot's fault ??
2nd first : One of the smartest things I've read in a trade rag was an experienced Captain with a young, eager to please type in the right seat. The Captain noticed that the F.O. was good at responding quickly to the checklist (as though he'd practiced) HOWEVER, the Captain noticed that the F.O. was incorrect about something he had just "checked" so the Captain explained that he was going to run the checklist again and did so; backwards. The F.O. was unfamiliar with what was coming next so rather than look here, then there, then there, the F.O. was moving his eyes to what he had just heard and the checklist was done properly.
1st report: The newly minute Captain was, to me, a bit too eager to get to say the words "You take it" to a Pilot with only 36 hours in-type and the Captain had just over a hundred more. On top of that, the F.O. was new to the airline. There's no law against getting stick time en route. To me and if I were Captain, I'd handle the takeoff then ask the copilot to hand fly for a while as I got to know him. Of course, all of us are looking for the problem in the video and armchair quarterbacking is easy - but I was conscious of that back when I watched the NFL so I hope that I'm writing this for helping all of us.
@@arcanondrum6543 I like your insight.
@@lmayala The pilots made it easy to blame them. But you are correct in that every fault point should be addressed, because accidents result from a chain of bad events. Prevent one or two in that chain, ad you save the aircraft.
I was inbound to Stapleton when 1713 had crashed. I was flying an Air Force T-43a (B737-200) and we diverted to Colorado Springs. Later that evening we were one of the first aircraft to land at Stapleton. It was at night and emergency operations were still being performed on that aircraft, just beside the runway. It was a horrible sight.
Please stop with the hyperbolic thumbnail images. The plane's nose section did not break off in flight
SO with you on that one. These crashes are clickbait enough of themselves, we don't need misleading thumbnails in addition
Unfortunately that's part of the YT game, put yourself in his shoes, you have killer content, and if you put a non clickbait thumbnail, you get 1M views vs 10M with a clickbait thumbnail.
@@DeepestQuotesAnd lying thumbnails are not part of the YT game, go kick rocks bud
@@sliceserve234 Unfortunately it is and YT enables it, if not encourages it.
To this day I don't understand why they didn't have a takeoff warning horn due to wing flaps, leading edge flaps and slats not extended for take off.
They had, it just didn't work.
There were no regulations regarding these systems back then and aircraft manufacturers such as Boeing and McDonnell Douglas didn't really realize that these systems were important. It wasn't until more regulations were implemented that these systems were added by manufacturers
That's why we have check lists.
Arent there takeoff configuration warnings?
yes, >50% on the levers you will get an alarm seen & heard.
What’s kind of interesting is that on the Delta CVR, the captain talks about Continental 1713, which was shown first.
I think the channel edited the video this way on purpose to demonstrate the irony of it all.
Er - that's exactly the point!
And they where even bigger idiots, the first was more and accident possibly together with inexperience.
ummmm........that was the point.
It's interesting that this video relates to the Continental 1713, just like the one from the beginning before
What shocked me about the Delta flight was that he did get to the flaps on the checklist and it seemed it had become such an automatic response that he instantly said “15-15 green light”. Just a split second to look at the flaps lever would have been enough to know. I would suggest a decreased AoA and retracting the gear regardless of no positive rate might have made the difference too, but that is wishful thinking after the fact. The flaps being checked as set is the hardest one for me to hear, and this is an investigation I have studied in depth previously. The end result is the loss of lives and that’s tragic whether it’s one or 118.
@TheGreyAreaBetween
I noticed the gear being extended still and my reaction would have been to retract them in this situation ASAP...might not have helped much but it certainly wouldn't have hurt at all.
Yes, I went back to check if I really heard the flaps checked during the checklist.
I watched this accident happen from only a short distance away. I was taking off on the parallel runway, 18R, at the same time Delta 1141 was rolling down Rwy 18L. They were not going to get safely airborne regardless of the gear position.
@@brentellender8651 It may have stabilized them just enough to get some more lift, and perhaps more time to sort things out.
@@horseathalt7308that's hard to tell. They rotated and got the nose up but kept rolling on the mains for a good ways. Once they got off the ground, they immediately started to kinda dutch roll and came back down on the mains. I don't think they ever got airborne again and went off the end of the runway at probably close to 150 kts. They ended up running across a large drainage ditch and that's when the fuselage broke in half, right behind the cockpit. I've been a commercial pilot for over 40 yrs, and that was the first accident that I had ever seen. It's seared into my memory.
“Only 94 survive out of 108” that’s literally the best situation what??😂 also it didn’t break up in the air like the thumbnail so what the hell?
Why do you show a picture of the plane on fire, falling apart in the air???
before the actual crash they hit something at the end of the run way that sheared the wing causing a fire
I think the first aircraft crash that the First Officer was talking about was DL 191 & not the AA 191 that he then referred to. He made a comment that flight 191 was due to weather & AA 191 was due to maintenance. DL 191 was a L1011 that crashed landing at DFW in 1985 due to wind shear.
Yes, I was going to say the same thing. This is almost certainly wrong; he doesn't mention the American by flight number, even though they happened to have the same one.
Flight hours are not a good metric for experience, especially with autopilot. A better metric would be how many total flights did they conduct in their current position or on that aircraft, how many take-offs and landings, how many approaches, etc. Some could have less hours but more experience by flying shorter routes, where long haul flights tend to be 90% uneventful while cruising.
The cockpit crew was talking about not just American 191 but Delta 191 as well. The weather related 191 was Delta 191
a really unlucky number, huh?
@@ataorkunoguz5451 I was thinking the same thing. 191 is the number 13 in the airline industry.
Yes, 191 as a flight number should be retired permanently, if it hasn't already happened.
Thanks a lot for the observation! I couldn't relate the weather to American 191...totally forgot about Delta 191.
The movie Fearless with Jeff Bridges includes a summertime airline crash with survivors. It was made five years after this accident. A great film.
I love that movie!
It was based on the United Flight 232 crash in Sioux City, IA.
I love the 'no bullshit' way you present these stories. So refreshing. Keep up the great work.
otherwise you would trigger
Last two pilots joking, practically playing with people's lives, then screaming like babies.
Says mommas boy from his keyboard. What a horrible thing to say. Put yourself in their seats....no wait don't you'd probably puke with nerves.
@@malahammer The pilots were talking empty-talk during critical stages of the flight, *takeoff.* They made jokes about the Continental 1713 crash, along with American 191. They should've focused about their jobs.
@@malahammer oh boy, the video made it clear the pilots broke protocol by talking and joking during the initial stages and made a huge error that caused people their lives. What does that have to do with me? I'm a girl by the way lol.
Imagine losing your life over a pilot pranking ATC over a crash and being involved in one, RIP 🕊️🙏
I see there's competition with you on plane crashes with detail, but your way of showing the video, is F'N awesome and great detail!! thanks for the awesome work!!
I never knew that the flaps would affect low speed flight this much! Thank you @TheFlightChannel for teaching me this!
Good job as always on this channel, great video. It caught my attention that the accident of flight 1141 occurred on August 31, 1988, and exactly eleven years later, on August 31, but in 1999, an accident exactly like the one occurred in Buenos Aires. This one, identical, in which a LAPA 737 - 200 taking off leaves the runway because the crew was talking to a stewardess in the cabin, because they were distracted they did not lower the flaps, the plane could not take off and left the runway, 65 people dying. Same accident, same date.
Saludos 👍
Ok, so in the first crash, did anyone survive? And the second one, did any of the crew survive? Both are incomplete stories.
There were survivors in the first crash. Continental Airlines Flight 1713 had a total of 82 occupants, 54 would survive. The captain, first officer and one flight attendant did not survive
For the 2nd plane, delta 1141, two flight attendants on board died. The captain and first officer had serious injuries while the flight engineer on board had minor injuries.
Me
@@WhyamIhereWHYY Thank you!
The Flight Channel did both of these crashes a couple of years ago or so as separate storylines & gave more detail then, including survivor/death counts. For some reason, The FC hasn't been showing new videos (except last week) for several weeks & they've been putting two same type crashes that they previously did together with less detail than the original video.
Yeah. I just went to the worst source available, Wikipedia, to learn that the three in the cockpit crew all survived and 2 of the 4 flight attendants survived. That's when I noticed how much of the info printed out on the video comes from Wikipedia. I used to watch this channel's videos obsessively. I've watched a couple in the last 2 days and they seem inferior to what I've watched in the past.
The 2nd accident was because they deployed the flapping of their mouths instead of on the aircraft.
Great content!
These crashes reminded me of the Northwest Airlines Flight 255 crash when I lost three dear friends. The pilots failed to set the flaps. Such things can affect a person for a lifetime.
The same happened to Lufthansa 747 at Nairobi, if I recall corectly. Failed to set slats.
My gosh! That's awful to lose three of your friends in a crash. My sincere condolences to you and all their surviving loved ones and all souls lost aboard the flight. These poor people who die under such tragic circumstances.
RIP to all those we lost.
Only 94? Shouldn't only be said when it's like 10 or 15? While even one life is too much, 94 is quite alot?
PS: Captain Larry David's and First Officer Wilson Kirkland lost their jobs because of the crash.
What's with the clickbait thumbnails?
Great work as always! You produce amazing, informative and respectful documentaries. Not only hats off to you, but hats discarded with respect to your fine efforts!
The moment it took of in the video I looked at the flaps. I knew it then and I think others watching this video must have spotted that too.
I see they are deicing the plane backwards. Its always from tip to root and leading edge to trailing edge. Otherwise, you can push contaminants into the "quiet" areas behind the flaps. Type 4 Cryotech Polar Guard extend would have given them more than enough of a hold over time with no ice forming.
Delta 1141 Captain: We've got an engine failure
Me: If by engine failure you mean failure to remain professional and use your brain cells, then yes
Shazam.
In short the crew of both aircraft should never of been behind the controls.
of?
Yep and with all that chatter going on on the Delta flight some would say they forgot to fly the plane
@@RomNYC If you have nothing better to do with your days then scroll through RUclips looking for possible spelling and grammar mistakes, I suggest you find something. Noob.
Always extra sad when accidents are due to human error🌻 @TheFlightChannel excellent video and enactment as always!
Unfortunately, human error is usually the blame for airline crashes.
Aren't all the accidents caused by human error?
The second one is just horrible talking about crashed aircraft just stunning. I feel so sorry for the people that got those incompetent pilots.
The Delta 1141 crew definitely got jinxed for their accident, talking about Continental 1713 crashing and crashing themselves before they actually did. I would like to know what happened to the 3 Delta pilots after the crash.
I heard that the pilot and copilot lost their jobs due to the accident. The female flight attendant died in the crash. They had this episode on Air Disasters
The flight engineer was rehired by Delta because he wasn't the cause of the incident
No they didn't jinx it. Jinxing is not a thing.
@@malahammer They jinxed their janx. Sho nuff.
So at 22 seconds the Delta’s front end fell off?
The front always falls off when the people in the front should not have been in the front.
@@Ragetiger1 LOL
A wave hit it.
Come on TFC you uploaded an video about delta 1141 a year ago. STOP reuploading. You did well with your last video it was a new one.
They also did the CO DC-9 story too.
9:53
>"191 seems to be the classic airline crash that the news media goes for every time."
And then First Officer Kirkland says,
>"I mean, that was a crash due to weather and all that"...
When he said that, what TFC didn't tell you is that he was also referring to Delta Airlines Flight 191, which happened 2 years earlier. He then cut away to American Airlines Flight 191 saying "American's DC-10"...
Just clarification for those who didn't get it, because I sure didn't when I watched the original episode on its own when it was first released last year.
THANKS FOR THE MUCH NEEDED CLARIFICATION. THIS TFC VIDEO IS PHUKED. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😈😕😟🙁😵💫😵😈🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 😈⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉
This is the most confused, confusing and needlessly annoying, irritating presentation of the Texas crash. The title of the video sounds like click-bait for the first 7 minutes. I replayed several times and could not figure out what was being reported. Two locations: Denver and Somewhere in Texas. Two airplanes: DC-10 and DC-10. Two flights: Delta and American. And the confusing part was Two flight numbers: 191 and 191. Each of the two segments should have been boldly demarcated as two chapters in the report. Peace.
Sorry but the 2nd accident - no takeoff config warning horn sounded? Was the circuit breaker pulled or something?
Per the NTSB:
"(1) inadequate cockpit discipline that resulted in the flight crew's failure to extend the aircraft's flaps and slats to proper take-off configuration, and *(2) the failure of the plane's TOWS to sound and alert the crew that their plane was not properly configured for takeoff."*
So yes, TOWS failed to alert the crew of their error.
Pretty crazy how they were joking about crashing right before they crashed
It's really unprofessional and unbelievable for any flight crew to treat another crash as a joke. Not surprising that they themselves crashed after this
@@jennifera4350 There is such a thing as "tempting fate". God wasn't happy with that arrogance.
The Delta ist officer Kirkland appears to think that the most important thing is to be chatty, jovial, and popular rather than to fly the plane responsibility with first priority the safety of all those on board. Too bad the Captain didn't insist on following approved regulations and shut them up. I hope these simulations are used when training pilots.
2 airliner crashes in Cincinnati in the 1960’s are never covered. Both hit same hillside coming in to land. Please do a story on these two fatal accidents Thanks
There is another YT channel that I also watch every week on aircraft crashes/incidents by Allec Joshua Ibay. Four years ago, he did TWA 159 that crash taking off from CVG on Nov. 6, 1967. If you're interested, it's under Clear of Conflict Trans World Flight 159. For some reason, I think he did the TWA CV-880 crash too.
@@tpajay thank you very much I’m going to check that out today. Much obliged!
@@tpajay so 159 was aborted takeoff I’d never heard of! But 2 other crashes, flight 383 and later flight 128 both hit same hillside on landing attempts
@@joemueller4738 Yes. It was an aborted takeoff &, if I remember correctly, TW sued DL about the incident for loss of their plane. I don't remember the outcome without research. TW had the 2 within a couple of weeks & AA B727 in 1965. I feel like I've seen a video on the AA crash. It's a long list & takes time, but if you go to Allec Joshua Ibay, he might have it. I only watch these 2 channels & wish TFC would quite doing so many repeats.
@@tpajay another channel you might check out is Ron Roger’s on RUclips. He’s a retired Air Force test pilot and airliner pilot who has a lot of episodes on airliner accidents. He doesn’t re animate the crashes but plenty of pictures and explanations of what went wrong.
Rerun?
You've done this a few times and it's annoying. "Of the 108 people on board, only 94 survived". Using the word "ONLY" suggests not many survived when in fact most did.
I believe his first language is not English . . . . it's not a big deal.
Some dreadful flying from both aircrews. Good video.
All they had to do was pitch the nose down and maintain level flight to gain airspeed. It could have saved them. But they kept pitching in fear of the ground and caused so much drag it forced them into the ground anyways. Tragedy.
On the second flight, the Delta flight, they go through the pre-take off checklist, I could have sworn someone said flaps 15 followed by flaps 15 meaning that they were set.
Flaps 15 15 green light. Obviously they were not set.
I heard it too, with ‘green light’ afterwards. Seems they were rushing as they had clearance
In the checklist call out. You can hear a confirmation of the flaps being 15/15. Why was it confirmed if they weren't really set?
Why don't you track down Carey Wilson Kirkland, the FO that's responsible, and ask him? He resides in a community just northwest of D/FW.
@@davidpeterson7197 I'm curious too. Perhaps not set entirely correctly? Or ?
How very sad. If the flight crews of both flights had been paying closer attention to their jobs, these crashes could have been avoided. I wonder about the captain and first officer of the Delta flight - do they still feel guilty about causing the deaths of 14 people? The captain and FO of the Continental flight didn't survive. RIP 42 souls from both flights.
I agree but if you pay attention to the first aircraft, it looks like the plane won’t take off
10:46 : Note that the cockpit voice recorder shows the Captain asking "Flaps?", and the First Officer responding "15-15 Green light."
In other words the First Officer confirmed that the flaps WERE IN THE TAKEOFF CONFIGURATION of 15 degrees, and not retracted.
Why does the NTSB report not mention THAT? Wasn't the status of the flap indicators among the items tracked in the Flight Recorder? It sounds more to me like the main cause of the crash for Delta flight 1141 was a faulty flap indicator light, rather than pre-flight cockpit chatter.
Its so sad for this guy,he puts so many efforts on these vids.But didnt reach 5 million😢😢,but were all still here supporting him❤❤
My gosh. That was a really intense scream at the end.
things happen when you're about to die
@@jimmyjames8611 yeah. No heartfelt messages to families.
In the case of Delta Flight 1141 the lessons from the crash of Northwest Flight 255 were not learned. I agree it's not right to criticize someone who is no longer here to defend themselves but there may be a case of inadequate training. There were many mistakes here.
The Delta flight crew survived.
if these so called pilots had paid more attention to why planes crash and not so quick to blame media for reporting it,..they would`ve seen most times ..its the flaps....and deicing procedures ,..and or air traffic control....pilot error and not the maintenance
There's really no need for the misleading clickbait thumbnail. Very unprofessional and tacky behaviour.
? No need for your negativity either. Go mow the lawn or something.
Objectively, the quality of the videos that TFC presents is high enough that it eliminates any and all need for clickbait thumbnails, which this video unfortunately uses. The need for clickbait thumbnails only arises when your content lacks intrinsic quality. In this response, I've attempted to remain completely neutral, in an attempt to demonstrate that the core of the original comment is correct. Coincidentally, I'd also go so far as to say that the practice of using clickbait thumbnails to advertise high-quality content is tacky and unprofessional, but that's only my own observation; my intent isn't to communicate negativity, but rather to communicate my own subjective opinion on the thumbnail that was used. In my world, it's moot anyway; I'll continue to watch TFC regardless of what thumbs they use. @@theChickenstones
@@theChickenstones hes right though
I mean.. channels quality went down big time since last year
TFC subscribers are moving to green dot aviation. So much better content, no clickbait, no recycling of old material. Credit where credit is due (and vice versa).
No one is going to say anything about the title "Crashing 22 Seconds After Takeoff in Texas" - when there is no reference anywhere to Texas??? The first flight was from Denver, and the second flight was to Salt Lake City - but if the origination of the second flight was somewhere in Texas, it was never mentioned.
agreed
Back in the 80s I rode on several Delta 727s between DCA and Atlanta! Also between Atlanta and Birmingham!
About 3 or 4 of those hops were on DC9s. So seeing this is a little disturbing!
Same for me! I flew out of Birmingham many times in the 1980’s.
so craaazy to be talking about "what should we leave for our children and wife" and the other crashes and then... boom :(
My understanding was that while it wasn't a primary factor-the deicing fluid was also a contributing, 2ndary factor. Stapleton was using an inferior solution that wasn't as effective as another kind-thus it made matters worse.I think this plane still crashes-cuz of all the factors you mentioned-even if they had the better fluid-but I think it would still be worth noting.
As we all know-its very rare where 1 thing causes an airline accident-it usually takes multiple things.With the exception of a terrorist act...ie a bomb or something.But even then-it usually takes multiple security breakdowns,coincidences,bad luck or whatever.
absolutely,..a comedy of errors ..1 2 ..3 ....The first mistake here was when then moved that plane to the deicing platform without the towers permission and knowledge,..there by forcing them take off 30 mins to late...forcing them to to do a quick,..and sloppy check list i can only assume
So without the flaps and slats deployed on T/O this aircraft has all the flight handling characteristics of bottle rocket with tiny fins.
Correct. Thankfully today, the modern 737 series as well as the 767/777/787 and a319/320/1 series all have excessive thrust to get them off the ground. the latest 737-9/10 series can almost take off vertical with the 29,000lbs of thrust produced by its LEAP-1B engines.
This is why its so important to focus entirely on flying when starting
The irony with the second flight is they started going through their checklist pre-departure (after their discussion) but somehow left part of it un-completed. Which is baffling.
really didn't need to hear the pilots streaming in terror at the end. soul crushing.
They survived, if that helps at all.
Amazing, stunning mind-blowing epic, shocking.
"Media broadcast of the CVR tapes provoked such an outcry by pilots that subsequent releases of CVR data have been restricted by law and carefully vetted by the NTSB."
@golgibody
I agree I don't see how it accomplishes anything to allow this to be made public at all.
I find it disrespectful to any of those who might have been seriously injured or the families of those who might be killed in the accidents. I'm glad they don't allow it anymore.
@rd152 It's a good thing. Doesn't accomplish anything to have this be public.
Good unbiased report of what unfortunately happened that brings back a lot of memories from that time when the industry was going through a lot of upheaval. I flew for Rio Airways from 1974 to August of 1976 when we walked out on strike. At the time I was a 21 year old first officer making $433 dollars a month before taxes. We went on strike for a $200 across the board pay raise and a curtain we could pull between us and the passengers in a Beech 99 so not to be distracted by passenger questions when we were flying IFR. We were all fired and the replacement pilots were given what we had asked for. Just over a year later, I was hired by American Airlines and in 1979 I was the Flight Engineer on a DC-10 that took off from Chicago Ohare bound for New York LaGuardia about 1 hour before Flight 191 crashed with crew members on board which I had flown with only a few days earlier. In August of 1987 Just before this Continental crash I checked out as a new MD-80 Captain - (the MD-80 was a stretched version of the DC-9) and as I recall we were flying overhead the Denver area on our way to the west coast when the Continental crash occurred. Lastly I clearly remember the DFW Delta crash but I don't recall where I was at the time. This all seems like a life-time ago and unfortunately it was and has been for too many great people that I met and flew with along the way. I was fortunate to retire from American Airlines after 41 years of service and am forever thankful for all the great pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, dispatchers, and many more who helped make all those times life-time memories which I will never forget. My thoughts and prayers go out to all of those who were not as fortunate as I was. May they rest in peace!
The crew didn't de- ice the plane again before take off
“Of the 108 people on board, only 94 survived”
ONLY 94??
As always a incredible job with these. I have a question about de-icing if anyone knows. When a plane gets de-iced, how long does the plane have to wait before takeoff? I'm just assuming that when the de-icing is done, that's the last step before taxing to the runway?
Usually, the plane needs to wait at least 15-20 minutes. To ensure the de-icing fluid have removed every single bit of ice.
@URLOFFLINE thank you very much, makes sense that they depart soon after, there was one I heard of in early 80s I believe that took off out of DC and crashed right way, it had something to do with the de-icing or lack there of
What's goin' on with this channel mate?
On the first incident… rule 101, you can’t just leave the gate, wander off around the airport, then head off to line up and wait on the runway, all movements must be sanctioned by the tower
Of the 108 people on board, *only* 94 survived?? I'd call that remarkable, all things considered.
The Continental pilots weren’t qualified to ride the airplane ride at a carnival.
Both crashes were due to incompetence of the crew…..
If both crews weren’t distracted and paid attention to the control tower….
The first incident was due to the crew backing away before being told by the tower and not going back to be de-iced after sitting on the tarmac for a 1/2 hour.
Well for the first aircraft, it looks like it doesn’t want to takeoff so therefore it made for pilots impossible to fly
I like your channel. I hope you have some new content coming up. I was living in Denver when 1713 happened. We were having a quite a snowstorm. I was at home, roads were awful. The news of the crash broke on tv it was shocking and sad.
Airport should have been closed too, and Continental should have cancelled flights coming & going, or this crash wouldn't have happened
Excellent video again! Thank you.
Both of these accidents could have been avoided. The CO flight that taxiied from the gste without permission set in motion a chain reaction of events that led to fatalities. Not to mention, Stapleton was a notoriously dangerous airport to begin with.(glad they built themselves a new airport and shut Stapleton down) What really irked me was CO's blatent attempt to blame everything on the ATC, instead of where it belonged. With two horrifically inexperienced pilots on the type, and the FO being fired from his previous job for failing the competency exams not once, but THREE times. One of the many reasons I flat out refused to fly Comtinental.
The Delta accident was compleyely preventable, or would have been if the pilots had followed the sterile cockpit rule. The rule was put in place to protect both pilots and passengers, but the pilots flagrantly disobeyed this rule. Once the plane levels off, the pilots can chitchat all they want, for all I care, but while we're still on the ground preparing for departure, as well as climbing up to cruising altitude, I want the pilots to concentrate on what they're doing, not yapping about each other's sex lives!
Fortunately, CO is gone now, and DL is now the best carrier in the country, not to mention the safest. It's why I fly them everywhere, even overseas.
Thanks to TLC, we get to see the old Delta and United liveries, my favourites. I really wish Delta would slap some of their retro liveries on their planes, like the other airlines are doing. In most cases, the retro liveries are better than the ones we have today!
Did you see the poor conditions for the first aircraft? Also, it looks like it’s malfunctioning since it won’t take off
Hope that pilots and air traffic controllers learn from this to take every statement uttered exactly as stated, and not to assume that something else is meant. The pilot should have refused to take off after such a long wait.
LOL Continental thought they had an idea, but the NTSB schooled them!
I actually worked for them. What the video didn’t show was the aircraft impacted inverted. It was not the only DC9 to end up inverted crashing back onto the runway.
And although the NTSB didn’t rule it wake turbulence the FAA did increase time between wide body landing or take offs and narrow body departures
1713, I think the root cause was the crew neglected to get clearance to leave the gate. This led to a lot of confusion in ATC, and caused the extra delay. Had ATC known where tf these clowns were, likely no problem.
Hold on. For the last flight it was stated that they didn't deploy the flaps in the pre liftoff checklist. But at 10:45 you can hear the CVR record them covering it. Was it not set properly then?
Good work man in making the vid
hey TheFlightChannel do you use a flight simulator or some kind of animation for these plane crashes
Really, the dating habits of flight attendants was the conversation that this pilot was so obsessed with?
How old was this guy -- 15???
People are not gonna like what I'm going to say. Being a pilot has its known risks with the possibility of something really bad happening. I'm sure they've at least thought of it as a possibility? So if/when the worst case scenario actually happens, fight for your passengers to the very end and take it like men instead of going out screaming.
Moronic comment.
I think if you forget to put the flaps out...
why do you keep uploading the same old videos?
Most likely a fan fav. Or he just got lazy to create new ones.
And yet the Delta F/O said "15/15 green light"... the proper response for the flaps and slats.... being extended... (I flew all 3 seats of the B-727-100's & 200's)
This video demonstrates that everything is done bigger in Texas, even murder-suicides.
I believe that I have seen both of these before.
You have. The Flight Channel is now just recycling old content. Very disappointing.
@@narabdela Yes, indeed disappointing. Before I started to watch this episode I thought to myself, "I hope I'm not going to be seeing a repeat."
Crazy thing on the delta cvr is they said flaps and responded 15 and 15. They called it but failed to look and verify.
Speaks volumes about having your aircraft maintenance done in Texas.
The FO on the 1st crash is a big failure, because he over-rotated the plane, along with ice on the wings, causing it to stall. While the 2nd one has poor CRM, which causes them to get distacted and forgot to extend the flaps
Okay then
The second crash and the reason for it are interesting. You can hear at 10:45 that the Captain calls "Flaps" and the FO replies 15-15 green light. Either the FO didn't actually set the flaps or he misread something.. Very interesting indeed.
Couldn't believe two pilots with only 200 hours' experience between them were allowed to fly together.
In your best GPWS voice: Woop woop, extend flaps, woop woop extend flaps!
As a technical thing, I´m a bit put off by bright sunshine shown bathing the plane from high above during a winter weather takeoff. At least compile some cloudy/snowy skies takeoff stock footage.
This channel has taught me one thing.
No %&#!ing way will I ever step foot in an airplane.
But a car...? Lol or WALKING, for that matter.
I wonder did the captain reinstate the third engine prior to take off.
He said that he did.
So the last plane that crashed in the video did the pilot and co pilot survive ?
They both did & were fired by DL.
The second goes to show reality can be stranger than fiction.
The Continental story is unreal. If ATC says something you don't understand or doesn't make sense ALWAYS ASK for clarification. They never got clearance to "taxi to" a runway. That should have set off all sorts of mental alarms. A simple "say again" or question could possibly save you a ton of paperwork or might even keep you alive.