Crashing Inverted Just After Takeoff in New York - Instant Horror After Liftoff

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  • Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2023
  • Find out why the aircraft operating as UsAir Flight 405 crashed in poor weather in a partially inverted position in Flushing Bay shortly after liftoff from LaGuardia Airport, New York.
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  • @rjgbass
    @rjgbass 5 месяцев назад +644

    I feel like the "in memory of" part should be longer than a blink of an eye at the end of these videos.

    • @goodchessactor
      @goodchessactor 5 месяцев назад +48

      Me too.

    • @Eseseso494
      @Eseseso494 5 месяцев назад +42

      Agreed

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 5 месяцев назад +17

      I think you mean "in memory of" or "memorial of". A memorandum is a short reminder used in correspondence.
      But I get your point.

    • @robertdragoff6909
      @robertdragoff6909 5 месяцев назад +47

      I keep looking for it and when I do see it, poof!, it’s gone in a blink of an eye…..
      All those poor souls deserve better

    • @Powerranger-le4up
      @Powerranger-le4up 5 месяцев назад +19

      And it was preventable. This had already happened three years earlier on Air Ontario Flight 1363 which killed 24 people.

  • @donaldsalkovick396
    @donaldsalkovick396 5 месяцев назад +45

    Dam that plane flew over the same section of runway like 6 times

  • @lostvictims9769
    @lostvictims9769 5 месяцев назад +93

    In remembrance:
    Captain Wallace Junior Majure II, 44
    Flight Attendant Janice Adele King, 35
    Nancy S. Beckwith, 41
    William J. Beckwith, 48
    Frank C. Forshew, 50
    Dean E. Gray, 41
    Cyrus O. Holder, 46
    Joseph Glenn Irvin, 61
    Marilyn J. Irvin, 59
    Steven Paul Leopold
    Victor Martin
    Nancy Mays
    Thoral J. Mitchell, 60
    Virginia Marie Ginny Rini Mitchell, 55
    Thomas Charles Mikuta, 34
    Michael William Mould, 22
    Jennifer Paloci
    David Lee Porcelli, 40
    Karen Ann Porcelli, 35
    John Stanko, 72
    Sally C. Steward, 48
    Douglas Radcliff-Unstead, 52
    Andrés Davison
    Roland Mayer
    Rolf Herzinger
    Eckard Saeftal
    Kenya Kazehara, 36
    And to the survivors:
    First Officer John Rachuba, 30
    Flight Attendant Debra Taylor
    Yassar Abdelsamed
    William Blair, 50
    James Block, 51
    Joan Forshew
    Kathryn Gray
    Richard Lee Lawson, 45
    Bob Main
    Connie Merrill
    Thomas Merrill, 40
    Denis Miller
    Yasser Morsi, 22
    Sidney Nudelman
    Frederick Paulenich
    Michael Richards, 24
    Clay Richter
    Helen Ross, 54
    Ronald Ross, 57
    Ann Sacknitz, 32
    Bart Simon, 43
    Robert Spear, 24
    Kendra St. Charles, 39
    Laura Trego, 23

    • @caseyedward2890
      @caseyedward2890 5 месяцев назад +1

      Did Racuba the FO fly again ?

    • @caseyedward2890
      @caseyedward2890 5 месяцев назад

      Did FO Rachuba fly again ?

    • @findianafishigan9230
      @findianafishigan9230 4 месяца назад +13

      For those who may not know, survivor Richard Lee Lawson is the same Richard Lawson who married Tina Knowles, mother of singer/actress Beyonce.

    • @keithjackson4985
      @keithjackson4985 4 месяца назад +4

      Thank you for this.

    • @user-ul6dp6uw9o
      @user-ul6dp6uw9o 4 месяца назад +4

      I would never fly again 😢

  • @ShmankyTube
    @ShmankyTube 5 месяцев назад +27

    What's with the misleading thumbnail? Your own recreation doesn't show the aircraft rolling inverted. The Mayday episode on this incident doesn't show the aircraft rolling inverted, though the Wikipedia article reports that a piece of the aircraft became inverted after impact. It wasn't near houses. It occurred at night in snow, not day with clear sky.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 5 месяцев назад

      Complete Clusterfck

    • @breadtoasted2269
      @breadtoasted2269 25 дней назад

      These types of channels always get things wrong. Some are actually pretty funny

    • @aleks1939
      @aleks1939 14 дней назад

      Clickbait.

  • @mph1ish
    @mph1ish 5 месяцев назад +232

    27 people died, for those who (understandably) missed that blip. What happened to you, Flight Channel?

    • @MrMcSwifty
      @MrMcSwifty 5 месяцев назад +61

      For real, a lot of these have felt sloppy and rushed lately...

    • @eucliduschaumeau8813
      @eucliduschaumeau8813 5 месяцев назад +56

      The video was good until he forgot to mention the final details of victims and the crash.

    • @MrMcSwifty
      @MrMcSwifty 5 месяцев назад +50

      @@eucliduschaumeau8813 I also feel like the animation didn't line up at all with the desceiption of the event, at least once the plane was struggling to get airborne. Past videos have been much more accurate with more attention to detail, IMO

    • @pomerau
      @pomerau 5 месяцев назад +28

      How was it flying over the water after hitting several things, yet landed partly on the water.

    • @malcolm5514
      @malcolm5514 5 месяцев назад +24

      Did he mention how many souls were on board once they left Laguardia?

  • @adamzangara
    @adamzangara 5 месяцев назад +79

    I feel like the cabin door being open during take-off didn't help. (Yes, I know it was a just a mistake.)

    • @RLTtizME
      @RLTtizME 5 месяцев назад +3

      😎😎

    • @timf2279
      @timf2279 5 месяцев назад +5

      Lol I noticed that as well

    • @corriearnold9694
      @corriearnold9694 5 месяцев назад +2

      Yes! I noticed that as well😂

    • @margiekinlaw4260
      @margiekinlaw4260 5 месяцев назад +1

      I saw that too!

    • @woodsie5474
      @woodsie5474 4 месяца назад +1

      I figured they just wanted to feel the wind in their hair like riding a motorcycle.

  • @luka3532
    @luka3532 5 месяцев назад +177

    Issues like this could be easily solved by placing the de-icing teams near the runways rather than at the terminal. This would prevent ice from accumulating over a long taxi.

    • @gort8203
      @gort8203 5 месяцев назад +11

      Absolutely, and there has been a lot of improvement in that area since this accident.

    • @Dick_Z_Normas
      @Dick_Z_Normas 5 месяцев назад +30

      Most airports now do the deicing at the "car wash", a permanent point near the runway entrance point.

    • @suzyrottencrotch5132
      @suzyrottencrotch5132 5 месяцев назад +7

      I mean the instructions literally say the stuff is good for 22 mins before takeoff.

    • @33moneyball
      @33moneyball 5 месяцев назад +8

      Problem has been solved…accident wasn’t yesterday. USAir no longer exists and there hasn’t been a real crash in the US in 15 years

    • @Dick_Z_Normas
      @Dick_Z_Normas 5 месяцев назад +17

      @@larryp6671 In the 1990's, Pittsburgh Internatinal installed permanent deicing stations or "car washes" . Every plane now goes through it right before entering the runway for takeoff. I know, I worked for USAir in PIT at the time.

  • @Dick_Z_Normas
    @Dick_Z_Normas 5 месяцев назад +47

    Someone forgot to close the forward cabin door.

  • @b.t.356
    @b.t.356 5 месяцев назад +39

    The movements of the plane looked so much like a nightmare-inspired roller coaster 💔

    • @superboats2
      @superboats2 4 месяца назад

      Been there, done that in Detroit.

  • @rogerhuber3133
    @rogerhuber3133 5 месяцев назад +43

    It appeared in your video they didn't have the flaps extended. After mention of the coffee cup I would have expected this to be pointed out.

    • @perniciouspete4986
      @perniciouspete4986 5 месяцев назад +5

      Yeah, hard to believe the NTSB wouldn't consider that and the lowered takeoff speed as contributing causes of the crash.

    • @lunayoshi
      @lunayoshi 5 месяцев назад +10

      @@perniciouspete4986 I've gotta admit, I've been more confused about the events in this video than I ever have been in TFC videos. I don't know what's going on with them, but hopefully it's better next vid.

    • @spvillano
      @spvillano 4 месяца назад +2

      Not mentioned in the Wikipedia article either. The Wiki did mention that the NTSB noted that he rotated at a lower speed than standard.
      I'm familiar with that model, possibly even that specific aircraft, as I worked for some time at Piedmont Airlines, which was absorbed by US Air shortly after I left and they flew F28's.
      I'm surprised as well that the wings suffered so greatly from ice contamination, as the Dutch most certainly are more than slightly familiar with ice and icing! Otherwise, they were a rather reliable and stable aircraft.

    • @cadaverdog1424
      @cadaverdog1424 4 месяца назад +3

      Was the coffee that had previously been in the cup regular or decaf? And which pilot drank it?

    • @rogerhuber3133
      @rogerhuber3133 4 месяца назад

      @@cadaverdog1424 Vodka.

  • @246trixie
    @246trixie 3 месяца назад +9

    How f”ing lucky was the chap who de-planed. Wow. So lucky

    • @jiceBERG
      @jiceBERG 3 месяца назад +1

      I was looking for someone to comment on that. Crazy, akin to dodging a bullet

  • @German_Shepherd_Mom
    @German_Shepherd_Mom 5 месяцев назад +22

    this video just felt...different. You ok there TFC??

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 5 месяцев назад +4

      Apparently not. At least redo the video and get it right.

    • @endless_song
      @endless_song 2 месяца назад +3

      Videos have not been very good quality lately. Right now, the best out there hands down is Green Dot Aviation.

    • @alexdelacotte9031
      @alexdelacotte9031 Месяц назад

      The fuuu

    • @breadtoasted2269
      @breadtoasted2269 25 дней назад

      Maybe he sold his channel to someone else or else he has a partner helping him edit

  • @FM790
    @FM790 5 месяцев назад +15

    Of the 51 people on board, 27 were killed, including the captain and a member of the cabin crew. 😢

    • @eucliduschaumeau8813
      @eucliduschaumeau8813 5 месяцев назад +1

      I thought it was all 27 people? The video is missing the end part.

  • @daveoberle2305
    @daveoberle2305 5 месяцев назад +9

    Liked the addition of "the flight crew" in the cockpit view, makes it more realistic.

  • @gort8203
    @gort8203 5 месяцев назад +27

    At time 4:40 the video states that the captain decides to takeoff at a reduced speed of 110 knots. There is no explanation of why he would do this and it makes no sense to try to lift off at a lower than normal speed. There is no mention of this again. I suspect this is an inaccurate interpretation of what was really decided and a misuse of the word takeoff. Perhaps V1 was lower than what would be typical under more favorable conditions due to runway length and contamination? What really went on here?

    • @joeyragsdale1998
      @joeyragsdale1998 5 месяцев назад +1

      I think the F28 was qualified to takeoff with a low airspeed at around 80 knots or higher

    • @gort8203
      @gort8203 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@joeyragsdale1998 Sorry but I don't believe that even for an empty F-28. Eighty knots is an airspeed crosscheck speed during takeoff roll, not a liftoff speed.

    • @joeyragsdale1998
      @joeyragsdale1998 5 месяцев назад

      @@gort8203 i get it but there is an Air disaster episode regarding the F28 icing accidents.

    • @gort8203
      @gort8203 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@joeyragsdale1998 Oh, did the Air Disaster episode explain it? What is it that you get? Since you have seen this highly authoritative TV program, perhaps you can explain the link between icing and "taking off" at 80 knots. It is a complete mystery to me.

    • @hans85
      @hans85 4 месяца назад +1

      I also didn't get that. In these conditions you'd want to increase vr speed instead of reducing it, unless he wanted to lift off earlier. But in that case a higher flap setting would be more appropriate.

  • @vivi6121
    @vivi6121 5 месяцев назад +9

    it's interesting how u put so much detail in the video but forget to mention if anyone survived 😕

  • @lm7582
    @lm7582 5 месяцев назад +11

    Love this channel, but please please bring back the haunting music, and as many have said, a longer tribute at the end for those who perished.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 5 месяцев назад +2

      This one was rushed out the door unfinished in many respects. Please try to live up to your standards or don't publish at all.

    • @RatPfink66
      @RatPfink66 4 месяца назад +1

      @@deepthinker999 In regard to the loss of life it's a damn shame. Something ought to be inserted into the narrative at the point of the crash.

    • @user-fr7fi3sv4h
      @user-fr7fi3sv4h 3 месяца назад +1

      👍👍👍👍👍

  • @rickgotner7596
    @rickgotner7596 5 месяцев назад +26

    You mention that the flaps were not deployed prior to takeoff, with an empty coffee to remind them. Your video shows the takeoff attempt with flaps up. That plus ice and a lower takeoff speed could easily disrupt flight controls.

    • @shaynewheeler9249
      @shaynewheeler9249 5 месяцев назад

      Titanic engine

    • @usernamesrlamo
      @usernamesrlamo 5 месяцев назад +6

      Yeah, seems to make a point of mentioning the coffee cup and all, then never comes back to that point. Strange

  • @gabrielleDC10
    @gabrielleDC10 5 месяцев назад +30

    I love your channel and greatly appreciate the work you put into it. Please consider honoring the souls that didn't make it with a bit more mention in the ending🙏🌹

    • @tuxitalk1World
      @tuxitalk1World 4 месяца назад +4

      I didn't like the way the video stopped. As someone who did not remember the details, my first thought was, "Did this plane fall in the water, or rise and dive straight down? I feel I better go read the news story and get the rest of the story.

  • @ejagger
    @ejagger 5 месяцев назад +13

    The recreation of classic livery is always a nice touch!

    • @trustkillxxxx
      @trustkillxxxx 5 месяцев назад

      i m gonna try to get more likes with ny Hooker comment..please like my comment above.

  • @uweberning8361
    @uweberning8361 5 месяцев назад +10

    @no-one-in-particular, You're absolutely hitting the nail -> 0:14 La Guardia Airport, NY - 0:16 preparing a Fokker 28 for a passenger service to La Guardia Airport ?? Is this a sightseeing round trip ?? Are we the only ones who noticed ???

  • @jvitzu
    @jvitzu 5 месяцев назад +22

    Hold on
    11:24 "Neither of them took any action to check the condition of the wing leading edge and upper surface"
    but you show several instances of the pilots checking the wings, even shortly before take-off
    5:49 "As the pilots approach the number one spot for takeoff, they look back at the wings several times. Near the time of takeoff, the copilot says *looks good to me, black strip is clear*"
    Is the implication here that the NTSB doesn't believe the pilots *actually* checked?

    • @shaynewheeler9249
      @shaynewheeler9249 5 месяцев назад

      JFK airport

    • @joobsterdoobster
      @joobsterdoobster 5 месяцев назад +2

      No, though with how it's worded in the video, I can definitely see how it would be confusing. The NTSB believed the pilots should have entered the cabin to check the state of the wings. As in, simply checking from the cockpit was not thorough enough given the severity of the icing potential. The video states the cabin part, but doesn't elaborate any further.

  • @lancethrustwell3704
    @lancethrustwell3704 5 месяцев назад +17

    A single 12mm ice particle per square cm is actually quite a lot of ice!

  • @heynowheynow-tk6tk
    @heynowheynow-tk6tk 5 месяцев назад +8

    Imagine being that one passenger who decided to get off the plane, that type of thing sticks with you forever

    • @margeebechyne8642
      @margeebechyne8642 5 месяцев назад +2

      That "Final Destination" feeling could be truly haunting.

    • @martinc.720
      @martinc.720 5 месяцев назад

      look, an "Imagine" comment!

    • @MrDumile
      @MrDumile 4 месяца назад

      Didn't matter...that was the incoming flight to NY. All the passengers made it safely. It just made the plane late

  • @guinnog2
    @guinnog2 5 месяцев назад +22

    Great video. Not checking the outside was a big mistake.

    • @rstidman
      @rstidman 5 месяцев назад +1

      a reasonable person could assume that that kind of safety action is so vital that the person who failed to do so did so intentionally. a reasonable person could say this is a mass murder based on that.

    • @christine3043
      @christine3043 5 месяцев назад +2

      Paying attention to recommendations made after the Air Ontario (#1363) years prior could have prevented this.

    • @JustMe-fo4ev
      @JustMe-fo4ev 3 месяца назад

      @@rstidman Nope. Not true. Video even says why you're wrong.

  • @bharris3440
    @bharris3440 5 месяцев назад +21

    Did this feel rushed to anyone else?

    • @suzannemarienau2760
      @suzannemarienau2760 5 месяцев назад +6

      Yes it did.

    • @Nitephall
      @Nitephall 2 месяца назад +1

      The text blocks aren't given enough screen time. I have to keep pausing the video.

  • @jackdragon5353
    @jackdragon5353 5 месяцев назад +11

    When the coffee cup was mentioned, I expected he would forget the flaps.

  • @shababull
    @shababull 5 месяцев назад +4

    Hi Flight Channel, Happy Thursday to you all!! man, I just love watching your videos as it's like watching real filming. Thanks for everything!! oh and one more thing, if I ever have to fly, because of your channel, I'll have a shit load of questions to ask!!

  • @margeebechyne8642
    @margeebechyne8642 5 месяцев назад +23

    That really was a mental error by the flight crew. Waiting 35 minutes while it was snowing without a third deicing. It's very sad. 27 died including the Captain and one of flight attendants. RIP 27 souls. Thank you for another great presentation.

    • @lunayoshi
      @lunayoshi 5 месяцев назад +1

      I mean, TFC did mention that that airport didn't use Type II deicing fluid to prevent more deicing. Maybe the captain and FO assumed they had and didn't think anything of it.

    • @christine3043
      @christine3043 5 месяцев назад +3

      Basically ignoring the final recommendations and reports from Air Ontario flight 1363 years prior could have prevented this.

  • @rob737700
    @rob737700 5 месяцев назад +15

    Type 1 was almost useless if any snow was falling. Type 4 was a huge improvement, offering almost a full hour of protection in most circumstances after application. Thanks for the great video.

    • @peggyl2849
      @peggyl2849 4 месяца назад +4

      Type 4 would have made a big difference for Air Florida 90 had it been around back then.

    • @shaynewheeler9249
      @shaynewheeler9249 3 месяца назад

      JFK airport terminal c

  • @danpatterson8009
    @danpatterson8009 5 месяцев назад +11

    Must be an error in the number given in the icing study- a 12 mm particle (if spherical) would almost completely cover a 1 cm square (10x10 mm), and I wouldn't blame the wing for losing lift.

    • @shaynewheeler9249
      @shaynewheeler9249 5 месяцев назад +1

      Titanic engine cylinder engineering room

  • @fitfogey
    @fitfogey 5 месяцев назад +6

    Man what a nightmare.

  • @psalm2forliberty577
    @psalm2forliberty577 5 месяцев назад +38

    Love your exciting work.
    Have watched for 4 years now.
    If I'm ever in an air crash (heaven forbid) I'll be sure to explain to any fellow victims EXACTLY HOW we crashed, thanks to your training provided here.
    LOL !

    • @paulkoza8652
      @paulkoza8652 5 месяцев назад +2

      And hopefully your family sues the shit out of them.

    • @shaynewheeler9249
      @shaynewheeler9249 5 месяцев назад

      😢😢😢😢😢

    • @dliang4628
      @dliang4628 5 месяцев назад +1

      God bless you 🙏 don't ever crash and stay away from shoddy airlines you saw from this channel

    • @psalm2forliberty577
      @psalm2forliberty577 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@dliang4628
      Right on Sir.
      I'll avoid the new low cost carrier:
      "We don't maintain - so you save !"
      Airlines....

    • @goodgamegaming1000
      @goodgamegaming1000 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@dliang4628 nearly every airline have crashed before, they have the same training, same planes etc. The only big difference is the routes.

  • @Kareena1988
    @Kareena1988 2 месяца назад

    Thank you so much for putting effort and creating this video.
    I really appreciate it ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @danijuggernaut
    @danijuggernaut 5 месяцев назад +9

    A big issue also on the MD80's series not so on the DC9. The center fuel tank bulkhead on the MD80 was in the wing, right in front of the engine intake. The wing fuel is the last to be consumed, so It is long time exposed to low temperature. This cold fuel temperature freeze the bulkhead building up transparent ice over the wing. This ice was suck in the engine causing engine shut down.

    • @suzyrottencrotch5132
      @suzyrottencrotch5132 5 месяцев назад

      Sounds like a pos. Can’t AI make better

    • @peggyl2849
      @peggyl2849 4 месяца назад +1

      That was a contributing factor in SAS 751 (MD-81); miraculously all those folks survived.

    • @danijuggernaut
      @danijuggernaut 4 месяца назад +1

      @@peggyl2849 Oh yes, after the SAS they fit some red cords over the wing for transparent ice build up inspection. The cords had to move free.

    • @RatPfink66
      @RatPfink66 4 месяца назад +1

      yes, its all too easy to forget that water (ie: precip) freezes long before fuel does. jet A's freeze point is -53°F/-47°C.

  • @moestrei
    @moestrei 5 месяцев назад +9

    And what about the coffee cup?

    • @eucliduschaumeau8813
      @eucliduschaumeau8813 5 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah. The coffee cup. Plus, the front passenger door was wide open and the flaps were up during takeoff.

  • @lislevollgraaff1236
    @lislevollgraaff1236 5 месяцев назад +6

    Been a long time fan but would you mind leaving the fatality count on the screen a little longer please I'd like to read it.😊 thanks a ton 🐘

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 5 месяцев назад +1

      We have been complaining about this for months. Absolutely no response or adjustment. Do they live in their own little world or simply do not care? This is the most poorly done episode that I can remember (amongst many good episodes).

  • @tonymcmahon_historybear
    @tonymcmahon_historybear 5 месяцев назад +6

    This video seemed more rushed than usual - no details on the pilots, tiny mention of casualties, very dense paragraphs.

    • @blueblur6447
      @blueblur6447 5 месяцев назад +1

      Ya im not liking it...

  • @christine3043
    @christine3043 5 месяцев назад +7

    You really should cover Air Ontario flight 1363.
    If the recommendations from the result of this crash (years prior) were adhered to, this likely wouldn’t have happened

    • @rivaridge7211
      @rivaridge7211 5 месяцев назад +2

      Hello Christine, I was going to make the same suggestion, but you beat me to it.

  • @markr.1984
    @markr.1984 4 месяца назад +4

    I think the fact that F28s did not have leading edge slats (only trailing flaps) did not help this crash and another similar accident in a F28 in Canada. The first version of the DC-9 (DC-9-10 series) also lacked leading edge slats and there was a snowy day tragedy at Denver Stapleton during takeoff. The subsequent DC-9s variants (DC-9-20 through 50 series), all had leading edge slats. And newer Fokkers also had them. It was a hard lesson for McDonnell-Douglas and Fokker. Slats add lots of extra lift to help counter small amounts of ice and they make a difference. This is not mentioned as a problem by the NTSB simply because those accidents still could be avoided with proper de-icing, the lack of features or equipment can't be cited by them if those lacking features or equipment are allowed by aircraft manufacturers and authorities (such as FAA) that approve aircraft designs as airworthy. But I still think slats could have saved one or two of these accidents. No way to know for sure. But we pilots know things.

  • @no-one-in-particular
    @no-one-in-particular 5 месяцев назад +13

    The plane cannot be at LaGuardia at the start, unless this is the world's shortest flight

    • @JimAllen-Persona
      @JimAllen-Persona 5 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, I don’t know why the whole lead up too

    • @lunayoshi
      @lunayoshi 5 месяцев назад +7

      I'm usually the first to jump at TFC's defense when they make a mistake, but this episode just seemed sloppy.

  • @llemmon
    @llemmon 5 месяцев назад +15

    Did i miss who survived?

    • @paulkoza8652
      @paulkoza8652 5 месяцев назад +2

      No one, apparently

    • @paulrelgne2149
      @paulrelgne2149 5 месяцев назад +2

      Yes, some had a premonition and departed before the flight.

    • @trainmanbob
      @trainmanbob 5 месяцев назад +1

      No-one or we would have been told!!! But of course folk in the comments checked the facts and indeed there were survivors. About time TFC stopped the sloppiness that is creeping into these videos. Anyway, always good that all types of flights are included, especially special flights like this from La Guardia to La Guardia. Test flight???

    • @martinc.720
      @martinc.720 5 месяцев назад

      You did.

    • @wrghty
      @wrghty 5 месяцев назад +2

      There were 51 on the plane. 27 died, and 24 survived

  • @gusm5128
    @gusm5128 5 месяцев назад +3

    Got that Florida air vibe about it

  • @duckydrummer6331
    @duckydrummer6331 5 месяцев назад +10

    So, did everyone die? I guess I missed that part?

    • @martinc.720
      @martinc.720 5 месяцев назад +1

      You did

    • @RatPfink66
      @RatPfink66 4 месяца назад +1

      27 of the 51 on board, including the captain and a flight attendant. 😢

  • @stevesebek7962
    @stevesebek7962 3 месяца назад +3

    i will never fly in bad weather again !

  • @DisandDat-ht5os
    @DisandDat-ht5os 4 месяца назад +2

    Worked from US at the time and during a couple other crashes. It wasn't easy working there during that stretch for sure, employees were hurting and had to listen to pax tell them things like USscare to own face, thinking it was funny. Sully certainly changed that image big time and after that point it was smooth until being absorbed by AA. Bless all those involved.

  • @luvcats120
    @luvcats120 5 месяцев назад +14

    Anybody know how many people were initially on this flight and whether the captain and first officer survived?

    • @WeaselKing1000
      @WeaselKing1000 5 месяцев назад +12

      51 (47 passengers, four crew); the captain died but the first officer survived.

    • @luvcats120
      @luvcats120 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@WeaselKing1000 Thank you, WeaselKing! 😊

    • @cadaverdog1424
      @cadaverdog1424 4 месяца назад

      Not ‘people’… ‘SOULS’… your choice of words is insensitive …

    • @luvcats120
      @luvcats120 4 месяца назад +3

      @@cadaverdog1424 Wow…

  • @skyblue375
    @skyblue375 5 месяцев назад +5

    This incident reminds me of Air Florida flight 90.

    • @robertdragoff6909
      @robertdragoff6909 5 месяцев назад

      Was that the one with the “improperly” packed oxygen generators?

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@robertdragoff6909 No, that one involved alligators.

  • @EpicJoshua314
    @EpicJoshua314 5 месяцев назад +2

    This may have been in effect in 1992, but today, after a plane is de-iced pilots abide by their holdover time: the time in which after the de-icing in finished to when the fluid will no longer be effective. Type 1 fluid only has a holdover time of about 15 minutes so when the pilots were informed of the traffic delay they should have turned back for more de-icing as they would exceed their holdover time.

    • @aadr
      @aadr 5 месяцев назад +1

      This. I've worked aircraft deice. We tell the pilots "start your clock" to establish their holdover time once we begin the final fluid application. (During heavy snow this can take several passes.) Type I is only good for deice; anti-ice requires a different fluid. Back then it would have been type II, nowadays we use type IV (the green slimy stuff). If the holdover time expires you're supposed to turn around and get another pass done.
      These guys were reckless.

  • @crocetti4643
    @crocetti4643 5 месяцев назад +5

    Initially the plane flew from LaGuardia to LaGuardia?

  • @panther105
    @panther105 5 месяцев назад +1

    First stock I ever invested in. Just after the two crashes in 1994. Stock had tanked and I bought some shares at around $7. Sold later when it clawed back to $11 and thought I was so smart. Couple of years later it hit the $70s

  • @markuslebherz8864
    @markuslebherz8864 5 месяцев назад +5

    L1 door was still open 😅

  • @stanleygoering4856
    @stanleygoering4856 3 месяца назад

    Love your videos! Was just thinking, you should do one about the heist and escape of DB Cooper from the air stairs of the 727!

  • @hostrauer
    @hostrauer 4 месяца назад +1

    "The pilots did not perform a walk-around inspection of the aircraft." What?
    "In fact, they were not required to do so." WHAT!?!

  • @lorenzomaximo1818
    @lorenzomaximo1818 3 месяца назад +1

    You just never know if you’re going to be on the one that goes down. Be it negligent flight, crew, or ground crew. You just never know.

  • @DaHitch
    @DaHitch 5 месяцев назад +2

    So were the flaps set correctly by the crew prior to take-off after delaying their deployment during taxi?
    The video seems to show them in a retracted position and there's no mention as to whether they had or hadn't been deployed. Seems kind of relevant to clarify after specifically pointing out how the crew deviated from standard procedure in this case.

  • @stellakowalski1
    @stellakowalski1 14 дней назад

    It would’ve been nice to have gotten a clue that 27 people died on USAir 405. I’m watching for the first time and assuming they all made it out alive! What a shock at the last second to see flash on the screen “In memory of the 27 people lost their lives” etc. Here I’m thinking through the whole video that everyone made it out ok, since nothing at all was said during it to let you know that people died on this flight. And the end notice was less than a second before I’m being led to start watching a new video!
    I really hope the creator of this reads the comments.
    Can you imagine what these poor people went through? May you rest in peace all you who died that night.😭

  • @WayneM1961
    @WayneM1961 5 месяцев назад +4

    All accidents that result in a loss of life are appalling obviously, but accidents like this which are very easily prevented, even more so.

  • @mitseraffej5812
    @mitseraffej5812 Месяц назад

    Airplanes without leading edge slats (like the F28) are very sensitive to wing contamination. Flew one of these over 40 years back around Africa, and on extremely hot days we would use a broom to remove the dead bugs from the leading edge that we had collected on the previous landing.

  • @PAULSWorld131
    @PAULSWorld131 5 месяцев назад +4

    Ice is a lot of weight. It disbalance's everything

  • @TrinaMillenheft-us4pb
    @TrinaMillenheft-us4pb 5 месяцев назад +1

    This is so sad great informative meeting tfc

  • @Springbok295
    @Springbok295 5 месяцев назад +2

    I remember the airline got the name USscare because of its numerous accidents during the early 90s. Even SNL performed a skit on them.

    • @DisandDat-ht5os
      @DisandDat-ht5os 4 месяца назад +1

      Don't remind me, I was on duty at a US res center at the time of this crash. We heard that term for years from passengers and it was tough to hear countless times. Of course, no carrier wants to go through anything like that and we hurt as well but people are still so callous. Sully certainly changed opinions from then on until they were absorbed into AA.

  • @TheIronDuke9
    @TheIronDuke9 5 месяцев назад +7

    This is admittedly a dumb question but if people can have heated driveways that melt ice so they don't need to shovel can't airplanes have heated wing edges to melt snow and ice as soon as it touches?

    • @daviddennis5789
      @daviddennis5789 5 месяцев назад +7

      Airplanes using hot air from the engines do indeed have heated leading edges where inflight icing can occur. Inflight, due to airflow, the rest of the wing doesn't accumulate contamination. "Bleeding" hot air off the engine for deicing/anti-icing, reduces the power available for performance. The amount of power loss that would be necessary to protect the whole wing on a take off roll (no airflow over the wing to start with) would be too much to meet the performance required for the takeoff. Newer deicing fluids (type 4) do a very good job in keeping the entire wing a clean wing until airborne (yet even type4 fluid has time constraint limitations).

    • @shaynewheeler9249
      @shaynewheeler9249 5 месяцев назад

      JFK airport

    • @martinc.720
      @martinc.720 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@shaynewheeler9249 that's what you keep saying, yeah. And it's completely irrelevant in every case.

    • @shaynewheeler9249
      @shaynewheeler9249 5 месяцев назад

      Texas roadhouse

    • @cadaverdog1424
      @cadaverdog1424 4 месяца назад

      A plane is not a driveway.

  • @allenmurray7893
    @allenmurray7893 5 месяцев назад +4

    What about the flaps. Why didn't the NTSB mention that? That was probably the biggest reason for the u controllable flight, plus no pilot walk around.

    • @RLTtizME
      @RLTtizME 5 месяцев назад +2

      The report concluded that the wings were configured correctly. That was mentioned.

  • @msvrse
    @msvrse 5 месяцев назад +1

    amazing animation omg

  • @pure_awareness
    @pure_awareness 5 месяцев назад +2

    What happened to this channel its not allowing enough time to read the captions in a comfortable time and the ending its so abrupt

  • @MrDumile
    @MrDumile 4 месяца назад +1

    Thanks! Were you in a rush with the video?

  • @MarlinWilliams-ts5ul
    @MarlinWilliams-ts5ul 22 дня назад

    Moral of the story: avoid this type of aircraft in bad weather.

  • @robhill9336
    @robhill9336 4 месяца назад +1

    They should make wings with a heating feature so that ice cannot build up on them.

  • @wrghty
    @wrghty 5 месяцев назад +3

    I miss when you used to mention all the victims that had died

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 5 месяцев назад +1

      See comments above. Some kind soul filled in the gaps.

  • @daren7889
    @daren7889 3 месяца назад

    This accident reminds me of the Air Florida crash in the Potomac River! That plane was deuced a few times too but it also spend a lot of time waiting on the runway before take off! National Airport has a rather short runway I was told! Very sad!

  • @Nitephall
    @Nitephall 2 месяца назад

    Imagine waiting all that time in a plane just to find out you're going to die.

  • @jck9480
    @jck9480 5 месяцев назад +21

    Sorry to say but TheFlightChannel is no longer doing the excellent job that once made their videos top notch. The majestic music that they once had in the past videos is no longer present and, that is a shame. It added to the videos. Most importantly, in the past, those who died were honored with a reasonable time to read it for more than 5 seconds and the music accompanying such was present. Now, the wording to memorialize those who died is barely 2 seconds, and no majestic music. This makes the more recent videos less special-something indeed has changed and it is not a positive.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 5 месяцев назад +3

      Very Well Said, but is anyone listening?

    • @user-fr7fi3sv4h
      @user-fr7fi3sv4h 3 месяца назад +1

      👍💯💯💯💯💯👍

    • @user-fr7fi3sv4h
      @user-fr7fi3sv4h 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@deepthinker999👍💯💯💯👍

  • @ronaryel6445
    @ronaryel6445 5 месяцев назад +4

    Great video. OK, I fully agree with the NTSB regarding the FAA and the airport's responsibility here. But I think the crew has more responsibility here than implied in the summary, provided in the video. The flight crew had decided to limit takeoff to 110 knots. Really? In this kind of weather? This situation demanded full throttle and getting speed up as much as possible to ensure the airliner exceeded stall speed given the precipitation and ice and the Fokker's vulnerability. As the crew felt a loss of lift, they tried to land the plane before it hit the water. Did they forget that they were at LaGuardia? On the Bay Runway (13R/31L) at Kennedy, you can get away with that. Not on a 7,000-foot runway at LaGuardia. I have watched 727s and 737s use nearly the entire runway before lifting off during an evening of nice weather with no rain or snow. Abort the takeoff and land on the runway? Only after you smoke something really strong and psychedelic. luka3532's very astute comment about deicing being available as you taxi to the runway was excellent. This crew did not know their airplane or the airport well.

    • @shaynewheeler9249
      @shaynewheeler9249 5 месяцев назад

      Chicago airport airport terminal

    • @920flashback
      @920flashback 3 месяца назад

      The limit of 110 was misstated. This was most likely a reduction in V1 decision speed do to slick runway. V1 speed can be reduced to a minimum vmc rudder effective speed in order to negate a lengthened Accelerate Stop distance. This is a very common and sound practice. Rotation speeds cannot be reduced for a given weight unless higher flap/slat/LEF settings are used at the expense of climb performance. Im sure this is what the captain meant.
      However an old strategy when a crew suspects minor icing is to in fact do what you suggest…..Increase VR speed by a certain margin when not balance field length limited.

  • @shababull
    @shababull 5 месяцев назад +5

    ok I got another question, why cant they put a heating strip on each wing, kind like people use for the edge of roofs.

    • @gort8203
      @gort8203 5 месяцев назад +3

      There is one, it's pneumatic wing anti-ice, but it only works on the leading edges when the engines are running.

    • @robertdragoff6909
      @robertdragoff6909 5 месяцев назад +2

      Actually they used to, called de-icer boots, but I guess engineers felt that planes were modern enough that de-icing sprays would be enough to keep planes safe……

    • @Veldrusara
      @Veldrusara 5 месяцев назад +1

      I'm just guessing based on physics etc here, but for one thing that would add another system (which requires more energy) to an already complex one, and more importantly it would quite possibly interfere with the actual wing structure and with the hot-cold dynamic being in the same place it could decrease the lifespan of the wing's durability from the expansion/contraction of the materials. More than willing to stand aside for anyone who knows about those things more factually than me, but here's an objective fact for the count: People fly in icy weather all the time and don't have problems, cuz most planes don't plainly (ohhh, punny...) suck at doing so, and deicing isn't a problem if people do their jobs and employ common sense.

    • @shababull
      @shababull 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Veldrusara maybe so, either way I'm not getting on a plane without answers.

    • @gort8203
      @gort8203 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@Veldrusara The F-28 wing leading edge was deiced in the conventional manner by engine bleed air.

  • @m80116
    @m80116 5 месяцев назад +1

    I am a strong self reliance believer. Planes should be fitted with de-icing heaters so that it could be possible to take off 5 hours into an Alaskan blizzard.
    Then it should be deiced anyway, directly after roll out and onto the take off runway.

  • @donfisher8035
    @donfisher8035 5 месяцев назад +2

    WHY would a Captain announce a technical feature of flaps in the zero configuration. Never heard of such a thing unless a eagle eyed pilot was aboard and started a fuss. I don't believe for a second that the mention of the coffee cup was in incidental happenstance. Maybe it is a good cue. But something doesn't seem right. It's possible the ice caused it, highly, yet they seemed diligent several times.

  • @kahrnivor
    @kahrnivor 5 месяцев назад +3

    They checked the wings. Why isn't there heaters in the damn things?

    • @eucliduschaumeau8813
      @eucliduschaumeau8813 5 месяцев назад

      It's a Fokker plane. They don't have weather in Holland.

  • @aviationreid
    @aviationreid 5 месяцев назад +9

    So, I have been watching your videos for quite some time, and here are some that i am requesting that you add.
    Day 8.
    Pulkovo Aviation Enterprise flight 612
    Korean airlines 858
    1983 Chosonminhang Ilyushin Il-62 crash
    TAN 414
    Pulkovo Aviation Enterprise Flight 9560
    Ural Airlines Flight 178
    Libyan Arab airlines flight 114
    Libyan Arab airline flight 1103
    TWA 800 (Not the one that crashed in New York, but the one that crashed in Italy)
    Kenya airways flight 431
    Aero flight 311
    LOT Polish airlines flight 007
    LOT Polish airlines flight 5055
    Delta airlines flight 723
    World airways flight 30
    Eastern airlines flight 375
    Air Greenland 3275
    Ariania airlines 701
    Air Canada 621
    Vnukovo flight 2801
    UT air 120
    UTA 772
    United airlines flight 227

  • @davidmcmaster2083
    @davidmcmaster2083 4 месяца назад +1

    Didn't the exact same thing happen to that plane in 82 that hit a bridge and crashed in a body of water in DC? The plane was deiced, but it accumulated again while sitting on the runway. How could this happen again.

  • @kc5402
    @kc5402 Месяц назад

    There are lots of things mentioned in this video which seem to be unclear. Were the flaps set properly after remaining retracted during the taxi? Why was the takeoff speed reduced? And several others.... 😟

  • @APL314159265
    @APL314159265 4 месяца назад

    Type I in active precipitation with temperature below freezing only give about 20 minutes. They should have use, in those days type II, which could give them an additional 20 to 30 minutes. Now there is type IV which gives an hour of protection, it is a viscous goo that, when the drag of acceleration brings it over 85 MPH it liquifies and flows off of the surface, taking any snow or ice with it.

  • @coasteyscoasteys4150
    @coasteyscoasteys4150 5 месяцев назад +2

    Im getting epilepsy from the plane swinging

  • @kanento
    @kanento 5 месяцев назад +1

    Geez need to add a few seconds to the result - 27 people died and it went so fast

  • @malcolmwhite3567
    @malcolmwhite3567 5 месяцев назад +2

    I am curious as to whether as part of the investigation they established with potentially if they had actually firewall the throttles and raise the gear with the aircraft could’ve actually flown out of there?

    • @malcolmwhite3567
      @malcolmwhite3567 5 месяцев назад +1

      Florida palm, 90 was kind of the same, but different LOL stalling and crashing on the Potomac river and they established that they did not set takeoff power correctly, and if they had of applied full power, the aircraft would have flown out satisfactory

  • @tominmtnvw
    @tominmtnvw 5 месяцев назад +1

    It greatly detracts from the video by showing the ending first.

  • @jennifera4350
    @jennifera4350 2 месяца назад

    I've been on some airplanes where they de ice immediately before take off, delaying take off.
    Definitely will never feel irritated again at the wait!!
    But one question - it's a lot colder at high altitudes if the plane is deiced at the start and flies thru a storm - what's to keep it from crashing later as ice builds up on the flight?

  • @adb012
    @adb012 4 месяца назад

    March 22, 1922
    La Guardia Airport, New York
    Captain and First Officer are preparing the plane for the flight to New York La Guardia airport
    WTF?

  • @edutaimentcartoys
    @edutaimentcartoys 5 месяцев назад

    awesome

  • @nabisyed
    @nabisyed 5 месяцев назад +1

    Please make an video about PIA flight crash Cairo in May 1965.

  • @nateferguson4612
    @nateferguson4612 5 месяцев назад +4

    In what position were the flaps found to be?!?

    • @RLTtizME
      @RLTtizME 5 месяцев назад +1

      The cup was in the proper position.

    • @eucliduschaumeau8813
      @eucliduschaumeau8813 5 месяцев назад

      There was a coffee cup where the flap lever was supposed to be.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 5 месяцев назад

      @@RLTtizME Cute

    • @RLTtizME
      @RLTtizME 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@deepthinker999 You're not too bad yourself. You could knock off a few pounds tho.

  • @MaxLai_0104
    @MaxLai_0104 5 месяцев назад +1

    that passenger who deplaned knew what was happening well before it happened

    • @CHEZZDOG
      @CHEZZDOG 4 месяца назад

      i saw this on a Twilight Zone once.

    • @cadaverdog1424
      @cadaverdog1424 4 месяца назад

      He was a friend of mine. He was murdered one year later… conspiracy???

  • @christieabarrett3219
    @christieabarrett3219 5 месяцев назад +3

    I miss your music.

  • @user-hr7gj3im7p
    @user-hr7gj3im7p 5 месяцев назад +1

    hello if i fly from nasvile to lga in mfs 2020 is it going north or south

  • @doutorgori327
    @doutorgori327 2 месяца назад

    0:35 Imagine what went on the mind of that passenger later that day...

  • @GeorgeVreelandHill
    @GeorgeVreelandHill 3 месяца назад

    Shocking that this was allowed in such conditions.

  • @GB-tc4hr
    @GB-tc4hr 5 месяцев назад

    How does he get the traffic get to be from different time eras
    For Example in his video on Hughes Air West 706

  • @diambo4life
    @diambo4life 3 месяца назад

    Boggles my mind how a complicated marvel of a machine called a modern day passenger jet does not have iced wing detecting sensors.

  • @oilburner225
    @oilburner225 2 месяца назад

    In memory of those that lost their lives, at least give time for it to be read at the end of the video. It only showed for less than a second, not long enough.

  • @christopherslocum9454
    @christopherslocum9454 Месяц назад

    I wonder if aircraft makers would install 4K hidef camera in wings to look back at the wings and engines in the future