His death changed F1 from the teams we have the drivers we have the safety of the sport and potentially some records too, I miss him so much and it still pains me to think he's gone
We can debate whether or not he would have been champion but he had promise, he had to have been going places, definitely podiums and race wins. Also it's took* "taked" isn't a tense of take for some reason. A bit like ran and run instead of runned.
I don't think anyone will disagree that Lewis, Seb and Fernando are three of the greatest drivers to ever do it. Regardless of who is your favourite. They all made magic out of every car they were given.
@@un6250 to be fair, most of the titles Hamilton has won was in a car that was faster than the rest. But I guess that is to be expected most of the fastest drivers somehow manage to find themselves in the fastest cars
Bottas is harsh. He did finish it p4 in a decent Williams car in 2014 beating current world champion Vettel and beat Massa three years in a row while at Williams .
And scored points in the 2013 Williams, and managed to get that terrible Williams on the second row in Canada after a wet quali (something people virtually lick George Russell for)
@@un6250 I'd argue that 2021 Williams was worse since they got extremely lucky with the points finishes and he put it on provisional pole until Max beat his time, which still put him on the front row, which makes it a better lap than Bottas'
Dani Ric and Bottas were rival in their junior career and their pace were even. No way Bottas would have had massive pace advantage to Dani Ric or vice versa when they went to F1, unless either Bottas or Dani Ric landed on a superior car to another. Another thing why is their pace remain even in F1 is Dani Ric and Bottas finished 3 and 4 at 2014 final standing. It was Bottas second F1 year. Both of them outscored the previous RBR golden boy Vettel. RBR sat 2nd on the final constructor standing and William was 3rd. Their final drivers standing were expected as RBR and Williams were the 2nd and 3rd cars of the time respectively.
Bottas can have his moments for sure but no where near often enough for him to be considered talented compared to this list. I've not been frustrated so much with another driver when I've wanted him to do well.
@@Gary_Harlow I was only joking of course but I think it would be pretty interesting if he actually did a list for the 2020s now and in 8 years we'll revisit this video and see how right he was 😄
I understand your logic with the omission of Bottas but I do feel like you're overlooking Bottas's 2014-16 run. That combined with the merc years, even if mediocre, should land him in the top 10.
Yeah putting Checo on the list instead of Bottas is hilarious. Valtteri was so damn good in his williams days, people seem to forget that. And he did a decent job at mercedes, as you can see by him beating checo last year, it aint easy to drive as the second driver in a car made for the number one driver.
Yeah he was sensational back in those days. I remember when there were rumors floating around how he might replace Kimi heading into 2016. He was really rapid in that Williams
Agreed. Dani Ric and Bottas were rival in their junior career and their pace were even. No way Bottas would have had massive pace advantage to Dani Ric or vice versa when they went to F1, unless either Bottas or Dani Ric landed on a superior car to another. Another thing why is their pace remain even in F1 is Dani Ric and Bottas finished 3 and 4 at 2014 final standing. It was Bottas second F1 year. Both of them outscored the previous RBR golden boy Vettel. RBR sat 2nd on the final constructor standing and William was 3rd. Their final drivers standing were expected as RBR and Williams were the 2nd and 3rd cars of the time respectively.
yea i love josh but he is slightly reaching here. Bottas's 4th place william's season, and his williams tenure in general was by far more than what sainz ever achieved in the 2010s.
I feel like if Checo is on the list Bottas belongs there too. He drove amazing races in the Williams and his racecraft wasn't bad back then. Also Kimi might be a bit high for his 2010's results. I would argue that during the 2010's Bottas was the better performing driver overall.
I've always thought that Perez was unfairly dropped by McLaren after 2013, neither he, nor Button could have done much more in a car where McLaren shot itself in both feet technically, by trying to radically change the aero concept despite having the fastest car on average in 2012, thus outsmarting themselves. Fortunately, he gave Ron Dennis the middle finger by getting more podiums by himself at Force India and Racing Point than McLaren did with any drivers in the time between 2014-20
Me too although the public reception around him in the mclaren was off a paid driver and Kevin Magnussen had already shown his talent quiet good. Frankly I think given the circumstances mclarej did the correct thing although checo got his recognition so good
@@xyroah I guess, but if they were to arrange a shootout between Perez and Magnussen, then they would know who they wanted to use as team mate to Button
yeah, you have to remember how delusional Ron was with all that "we have the best car, it's the engine that's holding us back" spiel and then they switched to Renault and ran out of excuses. Ron had a great run, but he clung on to the chair way past his time.
Having been a McLaren fan up to that point, I was exited that my countrymen was there, stuff was going to happen, and the team had promised Checo was their driver of the future and that they'd help in developing him. As the season went along, it was clear the car wasn't great but hey it's the car's fault, they said they're going to help him develop as a driver, he'll be fine. Then he was dropped and they spouted similar things about KMag. I was done with Mclaren at this point. Looking not as a fan of theirs at the dumpsterfire it was so sad...then the same thing happened when they brought in StoffelWaffle, saying how they where in it with them for the long run with him and that he was the future. When Norris was announced I was expecting the same crap from them, but I failed to take into account Norris was now headed to a very different Mclaren team, and I've loved how they've grown in the Brown/Siedl era. I'm back to being a fan of theirs...as well as now a fan of a certain Austrian drink company. To be fair, Checo at the Mclaren point was not the guy who's matured and become a figure that drives his team and is a nice guy liked by the team, but was known as a bit of a difficult driver, and he didn't make many friends in his McLaren era. Also he absolutely nuked his relationship with his then manager, a previous IndyCar/Cart title contender and Aston Martin LMS driver Adrian Fernandez, but he was still a kid who renounced the Ferrari Driver Academy to join McLaren only to end up with nothing at the end of 1 unsuccessful year. I can't relate to the pressure he was under, and can't hold it against him.
Lewis lap of Singapore in 2018 was something magical, Vettel winning 9 races in a row, a record no one is close to breaking, Alonso dragging the 2012 Ferrari into title contention , every one of the top 3 drivers have moments that are truly unbelievable and every one of them proves why they are some of the greatest to ever drive a F1 car
Lewis's lap in Singapore was THE one for me. It was really intense and my heart was pounding at how close he was to the walls. Just an amazing driver overall.
Yes for sure because everyone was expecting the Red Bull and to a lesser extent the Ferrari to work better than the Merc at Singapore that year. That lap came from nowhere and was absolutely insane.
I would argue about putting Kubica on that spot, however he only drove a single season in 2010s But what a season that was, literally fighting for poles and podiums with a midfield Renault, which was nowhere near the top teams However if you still think that Alonso is better, I fully respect your opinion
@@SimadeepGopalakrishnan-io4zc You're right, I completely forgot about 2019 - and looking at Williams' performance, I'd prefer not to remember it While he had justification for being slower (driving with one arm and 8 season long break from F1), I fully agree that this season was terrible and Russell performed far better
I think he should have been first just for what he did with such horrible cars. He drove Ferrari’s tractor and getting points with that McLaren. The fact that he almost won 2 championships and got so many points in 8 years without a single good car is way more important than Vettel and Hamilton winning with the best car by far.
@@ferst262 It's definitely important, but if we only looked at it like such, then we would have to give it to some random backmarker who overperformed his shitbox
@@barkor4083 not really, it’s not only outperforming his shitbox, is almost winning a championship twice against a way faster car. No one else was that close despite having better cars than Alonso.
If we're talking about Sainz, his wizardry at setup and feedback HAS to be a part of the conversation. He's literally never left a car/team in a worse place than when he joined it, and his rapport and involvement with his engineers is a huge factor in that success. Honestly, he may be the best young driver at giving feedback since Senna
I'd say it's a bit of recency bias for Sainz. Bottas and Leclerc were a bit better imho, yes, Leclerc only had 2 seasons but what a seasons they were, and Bottas in 2014-2016 was probably the most impressive driver outside of Merc, Ferrari and Ricciardo
Yes I agree Bottas definitely should be above Sainz given his stint at Williams. I think that's been forgotten about in this episode. But great content as ever Josh! Just wish there was more published more often
That Lewis segment was really well done and heartfelt, talking about that memorable lap with that subtle emotional music had me feeling a way at the end of the video. Great stuff as always Josh!
I appreciate your view on Lewis, it’s easy for some to try and write him off due to personal preferences, but your view truely puts it in to perspective how great of a driver he is. Loved the list and hearing your thoughts!
(imo) in the 2010s all three vettel, hamilton and alonso were on a similar level all being masters at their crafts and challenging for titles given the right machinery
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 people keep exaggerating how bad the Ferrari was. 2010 the Ferrari was probably the second or third quickest car at the least. In 2012 yes the car started out slow but Ferrari kept bringing in massive upgrades that made the car able to compete with the McLaren and RB. Plus in all those cases Ferrari had bulletproof reliability.
@@commanderlewisskipperton8721 Exactly. I understand people saying the 2012 car being bad cause it really was bad at the start of the season. In 2010 tho the car was definetly able to compete with the RB and McLaren
@@commanderlewisskipperton8721 In 2010 Ferrari was better, but I'd say it was still slower than RB and McLaren. However, its biggest benefit was that it was more reliable than its closest competitors. And gotta agree that Alonso had some errors by himself as well. Still, his performances in 2010 and especially in 2012 were pretty damn good when you look at the machinery he was given.
I hate the people who say "He OnLy WiNs bEcAuSe ThEy HaVe ThE fAsTeSt CaR", you could say this for Senna, Prost, Schumacher and pretty much every other drive who has one a championship. I hope people in the future will appreciate how good Lewis is.
Vettel did wonders with the early ferrari's from 2015-2017 until ferrari decided to melt into "just engine no downforce" team. I still don't believe how he managed to lead the title in 2017 with that disastrous straight line speed from ferrari.
Yep. 2017 Vettel was the better driver, but 2018 Hamilton was a beast. A 2017 Seb vs 2018 Lewis would be one of the greatest rivalries of all time, imo.
@@kalyanpm6803 Definitely agree on 2017, but for 2018, I don't know if I wouldn't really solely credit that to Hamilton. He drove a fantastic season, no doubt, but the biggest title deciding factor was how extraordinarily shit both Vettel and Ferraris pitwall were throughout most of the year.
The 2017 Ferrari was pretty bad in a straight line but it had a great cooling system, was very kind on its tires, and had a beautifully balanced chassis. Merc struggled on tires and with overheating. That’s why the 2017 Ferrari was the car to beat at the slower, more technical tracks like Monaco, Singapore and Hungary. It also showed itself to be a great race car thanks to its less aggressive relationship with the tires, evidenced by Seb’s wins in Aus and Bahrain for example.
The 2017 Ferrari was arguable faster than the Mercedes. If it wasn't, Vettel wouldn't have been able to beat Bottas. Vettel and these hybrids were never a great marriage.
@@TetraDax The definitely made mistakes, but f.e. Vettel going in the gravel at his home track didn't help either. They did beat Bottas though who did have speed in the 2018 Merc.
The qualy from Australia 2018 is not talked enough. Thats one of those laps where Hamilton just throws the car around yet there is zero correction on the wheel. The inputs are so subtle yet so aggressive. There are points in the lap where you think the car is just not gonna make it through the corner yet he just keeps making the car turn. One of the best laps of Hamiltons portfolio and one of the best ones to have witnessed it live.
The Singapore lap will always have the top place in my heart cause of the circumstances it came under, but Australia 2018 and Qatar 2021 are the underrated laps that he produced (and I truly believe that those laps were more Lewis than the car)
I don't care what the mindless haters say, he's a bit special, isn't he? ;) I said that to my husband when I first saw him race - it happened to be GP2 and _that_ race in Turkey. Hub asked what I was watching and I said "a future F1 champion". Funnily enough, first race I saw Max in, Spa in his F3 year (the first of the three he won that weekend), hubby walked into the room, asked the same question, and got the same answer. I remembered that I'd said that about Lewis when I said it, and I knew that as soon as Max got into F1 (I had no doubt he would), the racing would be awesome. It's nice to know I'm right occasionally 😄 (I'm not a fangirl for either, I appreciate their talents equally. And as fantastic as some other drivers on the current grid are, I genuinely believe these will be the two names that come to mind thirty years from now.)
@@un6250 that Singapore lap is just precision. Everything is just perfectly on the limit without the look of being on the limit. Hamilton has aged now and is difficult for him to produce those one lap performances. I'm just glad I was there to witness it live
I know it's not the 2010s, but lewis' last year performance in Brazil had it for me.. That he could be at his peak for so long and pull off such a great drive in this Era, at that age, after this long time in f1.. I mean come on! He is truly one of the best!
I'm 20 years old and have only recently got into F1, and for me Hamilton has always been the almost parodistic archetype of the champion. I remember when, as a kid, someone would talk to me about F1 and I would ask them who had won the race the answer was always a rather annoyed 'Hamilton, as always'. And being Italian it's quite a strange thing, but for me he really has always been the face of victory, the epitome not of the racing driver but of the winner. And, the more I learned about the sport and the more I found out about him, the more I realized how much this conception of mine really had substance and wasn't only a childish memory. Interlagos 2021 was undoubtedly the highlight though, there I really understood without a doubt that Hamilton was the best driver of the modern era, rivaled only by Shumy and Senna in the previous two eras I so hope I will be able to see him finally take his eighth title before he retires, he really deserves it
I think putting VB behind Carlos and Checo is not really fair in the list: I think both of them upped their game and putting themselves in the next level in 2020 and 2021, but we 2010s means we should not consider year 20 and 21. In that case, simply no way that VB performed worse than Carlos and Checo in the 2010s.
As a diehard Max fan, I have to say I approve of this list. Obviously I'd rate him higher, but favoritism should be weighed against results when making a top driver list. Great content as always!
@@hoya1178 Yes, he had 1 win less. But Daniel beat a 4 time world champion, got 3 poles vs. Max's 2 and a victory in Monaco. Those are pretty good stats on any day.
@@hoya1178 The problem with Verstappen is that in the beginning he was very prone to making mistakes, most likely due to his young age, witch really hurt his performances in his starting years, but now that he is maturing more and more I am willing to argue that he is currently the best on the grid.
Bottas 100% deserves to be in the top ten. Yes he was well beaten by ham at merc but it is ham. But don't forget he got that drive because of his excellent stint at williams where he was a consistent podium finisher and had the better of massa
Vettel is the most interesting driver. Something about his driving style and that V8 redbull just worked. His flying laps were amazing. Just perfection. I always wondered if the new cars just never fit him, or if he just started focusing on other things in life, and never cared enough to be at that level again.
Hi Josh 1st off thanks for the recognition of Jules bianchi he needs to be remembered I was just wondering if it be possible to make a video with you looking over his career and that to show the new fans just what such a talent he was
Apparently the reason we judge everything against “Sliced Bread” is because it disappeared during World War 2 (more accurately cellophane went away, which meant that pre sliced bread would go stale). So it’s the rare invention that became popular, then went away, then returned.
My list: 1. Lewis Hamilton 2. Sebastian Vettel =. Fernando Alonso 4. Nico Rosberg 5. Daniel Ricciardo 6. Max Verstappen 7. Kimi Räikkönen 8. Sergio Pérez 9. Jenson Button 10. Charles Leclerc
Pre-sliced bread was first sold in the late 1920's. The reason why it was so great was the combination of inventions which allowed it to be cut and wrapped automatically and most importantly stayed fresher. Most people in the US switched to sliced bread very quickly. There are many small inventions like this which we often don't even know about which have made our lives simpler and easier, and the phrase came about because a reporter used this as an example.
not from my view. in every car he drove so far he surpassed expectations and yet if you look at the reputations, he is still an underdog. most people would put him at the bottom of the top 10 drivers or even outside...
@@maxmustermann369 Tbh though I don't think you can reasonably make a case for him being better than any of the guys above him. His Renault stint was fairly underwhelming and, like the first reply, 2019 was his true breakthrough. In terms of the 2020's, he's easily top 5, but I don't think there is anything that would convince me to put him any higher than in Josh's list for the 2010's
I like kimmi. His rookie season was the same I was born in. And he's only just out of the sport. The career of this monolith of racing experience is incredible
Daniel 2016 in Monaco though, 0.3 ahead of Rosberg, and nearly a full second ahead of Vettel in 4th. For a maiden pole! We just forget about the race itself
15:06 For me it is 2018 Singapore, the 23-turns of perfection. That was one time Lewis activated godmode. The lap also shows how much risks he is willing to take when the stake is high. To put it into context, he wasn't the favorite at that time, yet not only he goes into pole, he smashed the lap record and has never beaten by anybody for good measure.
that lap is the sole reason i think he's probably the GOAT. To dod that at a street circuit, that takes divine protection cuz the wall's just a meter away lol
@@lh445 Was Max better over last season? Yes(Although it’s highly debatable depending on which point of the season). Was Max better over his entire career? That remains to be seen as they’re at completely different points in their careers. Most of Lewis’s titles have been won with very little competition bar Nico in 16 and Seb somewhat in 17 and 18 (If his Ferrari and the team didn’t keep shutting itself then it could’ve been genuine), so if Max wins his titles through hard fights (which he’s already done once) then he can be comparable. So please, until then curb your bias, it’s more evident than the Sun
@@UnknOwnParad0x the thing is with Lewis is he got put into a car that most of the drivers on the grid would win championships in with a teammate for most of it who’d just roll over and take it sure at the beginning of his stint there he was quick but after Hotta’s came in he didn’t even need to show up for most of the races as the car probably could have done it by itself
well making fun of maldonado is kind of fun, but i think if you make a top 20 to 30 list there is no way that he could have been excluded. granted, he crashed a lot and sometimes he took people out, but he did win a race in quite some fashion and scored 76 points. most drivers didnt achieve this...
Jokes aside. Pastor was a super fast driver, but terrible at race craft. If Aramco ratings existed back then, his stats will be like 85% Pace and 10%race craft
Even thought I don’t love Max, I will say if he didn’t go into the wall Saudi Arabia 2021 in Q3 we’d talk about that lap like we talk about Montreal 2018. It was sublime.
Thanks for putting Vettel in 2nd instead of 3rd unlike other RUclipsrs. People tends to forget he also challenged Mercedes’ most dominate period for wins on pure merit time and time again in 2015 and 2016, and challenged Hamilton for the title in 2017 even though his car isn’t really capable of maintaining the challenge. You can’t simply define his decade on his mistakes on the 2nd half of 2018 and 2019 and put someone like Alonso above him because of his Ferrari performances.
I mean, there is not a single argument to be made about Alonso being the better driver in the 2010s. Over their whole careers - Possibly. Probably. But in the 2010s? Alonso was functionally absent for half of them, and while he did overperform massively in that Ferrari, in the end he still lost to Vettel. Twice. Statistics are not everything, but there are few non-statistical arguments that would counteract a simple statistic: 4 WDCs vs Zero.
@@TetraDax are you for real? For half that time Nando was in the shitbox McLaren while seb was in a better Ferrari. Alonso's time in Ferrari was better than Seb in red. Not to say that Seb isn't/wasn't great but people diminish the roles of the car a lot. And ignore seb's mistakes that Fernando didn't do in Ferrari.
@@TetraDax so statistics aren’t everything but for you they are? Alonso performances were 9/10 minimum each year , vettel is far too inconsistent to be considered better
@@hishamhilal8332 Alonso’s got the best strategists, the best pit crew, and the most reliable engine by far. The reason he challenged all the way til the last round is because his strategist didn’t have the tendency to lose 1 to 3 places via pit stops, and other contenders DNFing from engine issues. Otherwise his title run would’ve ended in the Asia rounds
God damn I hope you’re here till 2030, you’re the one guy I come to for all the info I need for racing. Like just imagining you not making videos would be the worst, I mean you literally got me into the history of formula one. Don’t quit, you are the best RUclipsr man
2:36 #forzajules I'm so glad he atleast made it onto the mentions list. He deserves to be remembered not only as a great driver but as a great person aswell. If only the race was red flagged.
such an under appreciated channel and well deserving of 1mil and only one of the few ones that I watch that keeps me engaged for the whole video. love your content.
i only started watching f1 recently but i personally think bottas did a really good job in the merc. granted it is a merc and most if not any driver on the grid could have finished on the second step more times than not…but that’s only an if. Bottas has 67 podiums to his name and delivered day in and day out. yes it was in a mercedes but he still was able to do nonetheless. It takes two drivers to win a constructors title, and he helped win four of mercs eight. that should mean more than an honeable mention in my opinion.
IMO the main problem of the 2010s was how streaky every team was. There was not a lot of room to develop cars and there was not a lot of money to go around if you mis-developed the car. That's why you're likely to not see any non-anglos rate Lewis over Schumacher.
I wish each VPN ad I watched didn't say you can access streaming services from other places in the world, it's pretty rare these days that a VPN will be able to access a streaming service these days. Take it from me, someone who works all around the world who has tried about half a dozen VPNs whilst trying furiously to connect to my streaming provider in Australia to watch F1. You can't even access BBC Iplayer anymore with a VPN. You shouldn't be selling VPNs saying they can do this when they just can't. Other than that, love your work, a great video as always.
Bottas should be P6 or P7 on this list 2014-16 was amazing beat massa easily, at mercedes had 7 (7 in 2010s) wins against the best driver in history, so underrated
@@chamindujanith6337 I think button was underrated on this list. Was a good match for both Hamilton and Alonso I think he deserved to be at about the same level as rosberg
@@JB22. Personally Rosberg had a better 2010's than Alonso for me. His win in 2012 was in a car worse than any car Alonso won in the 2010's. Alonso is very hard to judge in this decade given his teammate most of the time was Massa who really was sub-par this whole decade. After Massa left Ferrari he got obliterated by Bottas at Williams. So not the greatest of benchmark. Agree about Button. Not the greatest qualifier. But such an elite racer.
I was about to whip out a 400 word essay on why Mathematically youre existence was a mistake as i was thinking Alonso wasn't on the list, Thankfully you put him there.
Yeah VB below Sainz, Perez is pretty suspect, VB at his best (regardless of how inconsistent he may be on race day) in the 2010s was clearly ahead of Perez and Sainz at their best, even taking the car into account for me.
@@lionshistoryandgeography You forget that Bottas beat perez in both 2014 and 2015 compared to only Perez's 2016. Bottas' teammate was also Felipe Massa, whom he beat, compared to Perez's Hukenberg, the man who never got a podium.
I'd keep him behind Perez mainly because of the 2016 season where they had comparable cars and Perez was ahead. But he should be ahead of Sainz in p10. Sainz had a good 17 and 19 seasons but his other seasons were pretty meh, especially compared to Bottas' best and worst seasons.
People seem to forget that in 2012 Alonso bottled a 40 point lead over Vettel....the Ferrari wasn't nearly as bad as people would like to let you believe.
Great list as usual: :) However I agree with most other people in the comments that considering Bottas' Williams years he should definitely be in the top 10. In total my list looks like this, making it a Top 25 to give some respect to a number of additional drivers. 25) Esteban Ocon (2016-2018 - MRT/Force India) 24) Michael Schumacher (2010-2012 - Mercedes) 23) Pastor Maldonado (2011-2015 - Williams/Lotus) 22) Paul di Resta (2011-2013; 2017 - Force India/Williams) 21) Kamui Kobayashi (2010-2012; 2014 - BMW Sauber/Sauber/Caterham) 20) Adrian Sutil (2010-2011; 2013-2014; Force India/Sauber) 19) Daniil Kvyat (2014-2017; 2019 - Toro Rosso/Red Bull) 18) Kevin Magnussen (2014-2019; McLaren/Renault/Haas) 17) Robert Kubica (2010; 2019 - Renault/Williams) 16) Carlos Sainz Jr. (2015-2019 - Toro Rosso/Renault/McLaren) 15) Romain Grosjean (2012-2019 - Lotus/Haas) 14) Felipe Massa (2010-2017 - Ferrari/Williams) 13) Charles Leclerc (2018-2019 - Sauber/Ferrari) 12) Nico Hülkenberg (2010; 2012-2019 - Williams/Force India/Sauber/Renault) 11) Sergio Pérez (2011-2019 - Sauber/McLaren/Force India/Racing Point) 10) Mark Webber (2010-2013 - Red Bull) 9) Kimi Räikkönen (2012-2019 - Lotus/Ferrari/Alfa Romeo) 8) Jenson Button (2010-2017 - McLaren) 7) Valtteri Bottas (2013-2019 - Williams/Mercedes) 6) Daniel Ricciardo (2011-2019 - HRT/Toro Rosso/Red Bull/Renault) 5) Max Verstappen (2015-2019 - Toro Rosso/Red Bull) 4) Nico Rosberg (2010-2016 - Mercedes) 3) Fernando Alonso (2010-2018 - Ferrari/McLaren) 2) Sebastian Vettel (2010-2019 - Red Bull/Ferrari) 1) Lewis Hamilton (2010-2019 - McLaren/Mercedes) Now while making this list I just realized that Hamilton and Vettel are in fact the only drivers of the decade that participated in all ten seasons of the 2010's. :O
11:00 ok, I am going to explain it again: Vettel won the championship with 4 points more than Alonso, so even if Fernando passed Petrov, he also had to pass Kubica and Rosberg. And Fun fact: Both Vettel and Alonso had 5 wins, 2 second places and 3 third places. So if Alonso would finished p5 in Abu Dhabi, both he and Seb would've scored 256 points at the end of the season, but Vettel would've won the championship by more p4 finishes
Sorry but i have to correct you, alonso being held up by petrov allowed kubica and rosberg to over cut him. You cant just look at the results of a race and know the whole story. I recommend watching the race fully on F1TV
@@snobey Ferrari completely bungled Alonso's strategy in 2010 because they were so focused on Webber. Still, regardless of him losing the title, Alonso was much more consistent in a much lesser car. The fact that F1 Team Bosses voted and awarded him 'Driver of the Year' in 2010 despite Vettel winning the title is proof.
there’s nothing you’ll be able to say to convince me that Bottas isn’t top 10 he was still one of the top drivers while at Mercedes and his Williams stint was very good but is only overlooked due to recency bias. Haven’t watched the rest of the video but I think Bottas should be ahead of Perez assuming he’s on here
@@renanokten6058 No-one had to ask, it's kinda the entire purpose of a comments section for people to share opinions and give the creator feedback. Josh actually does state, at 15:41, that it's just his opinion, almost encouraging people to share theirs in the comments, but I guess this guy's opinion doesn't matter to you because nobody specifically asked for it. Pathetic.
Not a Lewis hater, but that weekend his car was literally 1 second faster than the redbulls and 3 seconds faster than the rest. My grandmother would’ve probably gotten a podium with that rocketship
Abu Dhabi bias, watch the 2021 driver's ranking and it's clear as day that's the main reason. I honestly thought the disrespect would stop when Russell was announced at Merc, but no
1 Lewis Hamilton 2 Fernando Alonso 3 Nico Rosberg 4 Max Verstappen 5 Sebastian Vettel 6 Jenson Button 7 Kimi Raikkonen 8 Felipe Massa 9 Daniel Ricciardo 10 Romain Grosjean
@@alexandreb.1101 Why did he wipe floor with him? Because his father owned the fuckin team... And the team was prema. If you think these series are equal we have nothing to talk about here.
In my opinion Verstappen is a 71 times world champion and because of being unlucky couldn’t be one officially and hence the GOAT. Here’s why 1950-1997: wasn’t born 1997-2014: too young for f1 2015: tractor toro rosso 2016-2020: mercedes OP 2021: WORLD CHAMPION he won every year 😀
Agree with the list but I'd say Lewis' lap at Hungary in the McLaren (unsure of year) was immense. RB were far quicker and he chucked that thing around. I remember his saying 'that's more than I thought I could do', or something like that and scoring pole. I'm an Alonso fan btw lol but Lewis is best driver of all time.....special!
honestly, the 2010s-20s are unreal. The amount of talent F1 has seen in the last 10y destroys any kind of nostalgia. Lewis, Max, Vettel, Alonso, Kimi, even Rosberg or Button would be considered legendary if they ran on the 70s or 80s. I'm not saying they are better Lauda, Piquet or Senna (well..some of them are), but this is the peak of the sport, culminating on 2021 battle, which even if it ended the way it did, it's already on the history books. I watch F1 since 1994. and honestly, i don't miss the good old days. THESE are the good old days
I don't understand why people crap on bottas so bad he for a time was the exact team mate Mercedes wanted for Lewis almost always in second place most races in the points more times than not yeah his race craft wasn't the best but the guy aunt that bad but other than that solid list
Because he's more like a saturday driver, good over one lap, not consistent enough. The minute Merc wasn't so good over the season, he wasn't good enough and even finished 5th in 2018 - I think after that Wolff wanted to change him, but eventually stayed with him. Even that Williams tenure isn't some great example, because that Williams was certainly a good car. (two years it was among the Top3) And even his attitude is really strange, he thinks he's better than the number 2 driver - but he just isn't good enough. I'm glad that he's finally out of the Merc - now he can stop that BS with "version 2.345680...."
Probably a bit biased as an Alonso fan but I really can't see how Alonso can be lower than Vettel or Hamilton. Alonso didn't have a single year off in the 2010s. Consistently overperforming while at Ferrari, he was without a doubt the best driver in the 2010-13 period. Fighting Vettel at his peak in a greatly inferior car in 2012 talks for itself. He should have NEVER been in the fight for the title, NEVER. Talking of Vettel, yes he was absolutely insane in the 2010s but after the 2018 summer, his performances really dropped and regular mistakes started to creep in. Hence why I'd put him behind Alonso. Now, onto Lewis. What he has done at Mercedes is nothing short of incredible. As you said, he joined the team when it had already won a race but when they started to be dominant past 2014, he was always there. Rarely, have we ever seen someone that can deliver at such high level so consistently. The problem I have is the way he started the 2010s. 2010 was a good year for him. He was in the championship fight and did well. However, the next 2 years were rough, 2011 especially. Many mistakes, lots of crashes and poor performances. As said above, Alonso didn't have any year off. Easily the best driver in the first half of the decade, many great performances flew under the radar when he was at McLaren. The 2018 Azerbaijan GP is often forgotten but he went from barely making it to the pits with 2 punctured wheels, a heavily damaged floor to a P6. I'm sure there is other example but I can think of any other on top of my head Anyway, that's just my humble opinion =D
Alonso is overall better driver than Vettel looking on what he did in what cars he had but rating is fair. Vettel had comp car for almost entire decade while Alonso for 2014-2018 is stuck in GP2 engine Vettel just did more things overall . if this would be rating from 2010-2014 Alonso could easly be 1st.
Agreed. Let's look the stat about Vettel vs Kimi vs Alonso. Qualifying pace: Kimi in average rightly behind Vettel. OTOH, Kimi 4-5 place behind Alonso. The teammate’s timeline isn't even a year a part. Kimi didn't lose his pace overnight.
@@madjayax731 Just look at 2014, Alonso scored 161 points to Kimi's 55. Both struggled in the car but Alonso made the most out of it. The F14T was so bad people called it the FIAT.
You're being way too disrespectful to Bottas dude. He put in some great drives in the Williams beating a veteran like Massa. And he wasn't bad at all in the Mercedes. Nobody's going to look good when you put them next to Lewis Hamilton, a fact George Russell will probably learn this year. Bottas is an excellent qualifier and put in a fair few great performances for Merc and you can't just discredit his achievements cause he was in the fastest car. That's like calling Barrichello a bad driver cause he never beat Schumi. I'd put Valtteri in the list over Sainz any day.
Agree. Dani Ric and Bottas were rival in their junior career and their pace were even. No way Bottas would have had massive pace advantage to Dani Ric or vice versa when they went to F1, unless either Bottas or Dani Ric landed on a superior car to another. Another thing why is their pace remain even in F1 is Dani Ric and Bottas finished 3 and 4 at 2014 final standing. It was Bottas second F1 year. Both of them outscored the previous RBR golden boy Vettel. RBR sat 2nd on the final constructor standing and William was 3rd. Their final drivers standing were expected as RBR and Williams were the 2nd and 3rd cars of the time respectively.
Finally, Jules got some recognition, as he was one of the most promising driver. Its heartbreaking, that Crash took him away too fast.
His death changed F1 from the teams we have the drivers we have the safety of the sport and potentially some records too, I miss him so much and it still pains me to think he's gone
mr incredible is uncanny
We can debate whether or not he would have been champion but he had promise, he had to have been going places, definitely podiums and race wins.
Also it's took* "taked" isn't a tense of take for some reason. A bit like ran and run instead of runned.
took*
sad thing is thats life
I don't think anyone will disagree that Lewis, Seb and Fernando are three of the greatest drivers to ever do it. Regardless of who is your favourite. They all made magic out of every car they were given.
Vettel with the 2014 Redbull and the 2019, 2020 Ferrari.
@@EMANUEL-vt8ok can’t deny the Redbull performances though (the v8 ones ie)
Nah I found a bozo who said vettel should be above Hamilton cause he drove a dominant car. He definitely hasn’t watched the v8 era 😅
@@un6250 to be fair, most of the titles Hamilton has won was in a car that was faster than the rest. But I guess that is to be expected most of the fastest drivers somehow manage to find themselves in the fastest cars
To ever do it? You mean in the 2010s?
Bottas is harsh. He did finish it p4 in a decent Williams car in 2014 beating current world champion Vettel and beat Massa three years in a row while at Williams .
And scored points in the 2013 Williams, and managed to get that terrible Williams on the second row in Canada after a wet quali (something people virtually lick George Russell for)
@@un6250 I'd argue that 2021 Williams was worse since they got extremely lucky with the points finishes and he put it on provisional pole until Max beat his time, which still put him on the front row, which makes it a better lap than Bottas'
Dani Ric and Bottas were rival in their junior career and their pace were even. No way Bottas would have had massive pace advantage to Dani Ric or vice versa when they went to F1, unless either Bottas or Dani Ric landed on a superior car to another. Another thing why is their pace remain even in F1 is Dani Ric and Bottas finished 3 and 4 at 2014 final standing. It was Bottas second F1 year. Both of them outscored the previous RBR golden boy Vettel. RBR sat 2nd on the final constructor standing and William was 3rd. Their final drivers standing were expected as RBR and Williams were the 2nd and 3rd cars of the time respectively.
Bottas easy P6 or P7 on this list so underrated
Bottas can have his moments for sure but no where near often enough for him to be considered talented compared to this list. I've not been frustrated so much with another driver when I've wanted him to do well.
Don't worry Josh, we'll wait until 2030 for the next episode!
Nah he should do that one next
@@murphymoerf I mean he has kinda done one for each of the two years in the '20s, so there wouldn't be that much new content
@@Gary_Harlow I was only joking of course but I think it would be pretty interesting if he actually did a list for the 2020s now and in 8 years we'll revisit this video and see how right he was 😄
@@murphymoerf Absolutly!
Lewis would still be Nr. 1 xD
I understand your logic with the omission of Bottas but I do feel like you're overlooking Bottas's 2014-16 run. That combined with the merc years, even if mediocre, should land him in the top 10.
I thought the same yes, his Williams stint was completely overlooked. Neither Carlos nor Checo had a better decade than him.
Yeah putting Checo on the list instead of Bottas is hilarious. Valtteri was so damn good in his williams days, people seem to forget that. And he did a decent job at mercedes, as you can see by him beating checo last year, it aint easy to drive as the second driver in a car made for the number one driver.
Yeah he was sensational back in those days. I remember when there were rumors floating around how he might replace Kimi heading into 2016. He was really rapid in that Williams
Agreed. Dani Ric and Bottas were rival in their junior career and their pace were even. No way Bottas would have had massive pace advantage to Dani Ric or vice versa when they went to F1, unless either Bottas or Dani Ric landed on a superior car to another. Another thing why is their pace remain even in F1 is Dani Ric and Bottas finished 3 and 4 at 2014 final standing. It was Bottas second F1 year. Both of them outscored the previous RBR golden boy Vettel. RBR sat 2nd on the final constructor standing and William was 3rd. Their final drivers standing were expected as RBR and Williams were the 2nd and 3rd cars of the time respectively.
Overlooked stint but with old Massa as his teammate he didn’t have much competition so the car was a touch better than Massa makes it seem
I'd put Bottas in place of Sainz just because of his great Williams stint.
However I agree that he was disappointing in that dominant Merc.
yea i love josh but he is slightly reaching here. Bottas's 4th place william's season, and his williams tenure in general was by far more than what sainz ever achieved in the 2010s.
Bottas is in the Top10. Alone his stint at Williams was better than anything Sainz had done this era.
I'd put him over Kimi if you look at it Kimi literally only had 2 good seasons in 2010s.
@@55marpo thems fighting words!
I feel like if Checo is on the list Bottas belongs there too. He drove amazing races in the Williams and his racecraft wasn't bad back then. Also Kimi might be a bit high for his 2010's results. I would argue that during the 2010's Bottas was the better performing driver overall.
That “But here comes Sebastian Vettel” line by Crofty give me goosebumps every single time.
People usually tend to forget Bottas's Williams years. Also he wasn't that bad in Mercedes as people make it to be.
He wasn’t aloud to be quick at merc because of what happened between Lewis and Rosberg so they just wanted someone who would sit on the sidelines
I've always thought that Perez was unfairly dropped by McLaren after 2013, neither he, nor Button could have done much more in a car where McLaren shot itself in both feet technically, by trying to radically change the aero concept despite having the fastest car on average in 2012, thus outsmarting themselves.
Fortunately, he gave Ron Dennis the middle finger by getting more podiums by himself at Force India and Racing Point than McLaren did with any drivers in the time between 2014-20
Me too although the public reception around him in the mclaren was off a paid driver and Kevin Magnussen had already shown his talent quiet good. Frankly I think given the circumstances mclarej did the correct thing although checo got his recognition so good
@@xyroah I guess, but if they were to arrange a shootout between Perez and Magnussen, then they would know who they wanted to use as team mate to Button
Best thing McLaren created during that whole period was the tooned series
yeah, you have to remember how delusional Ron was with all that "we have the best car, it's the engine that's holding us back" spiel and then they switched to Renault and ran out of excuses.
Ron had a great run, but he clung on to the chair way past his time.
Having been a McLaren fan up to that point, I was exited that my countrymen was there, stuff was going to happen, and the team had promised Checo was their driver of the future and that they'd help in developing him. As the season went along, it was clear the car wasn't great but hey it's the car's fault, they said they're going to help him develop as a driver, he'll be fine. Then he was dropped and they spouted similar things about KMag. I was done with Mclaren at this point. Looking not as a fan of theirs at the dumpsterfire it was so sad...then the same thing happened when they brought in StoffelWaffle, saying how they where in it with them for the long run with him and that he was the future. When Norris was announced I was expecting the same crap from them, but I failed to take into account Norris was now headed to a very different Mclaren team, and I've loved how they've grown in the Brown/Siedl era. I'm back to being a fan of theirs...as well as now a fan of a certain Austrian drink company.
To be fair, Checo at the Mclaren point was not the guy who's matured and become a figure that drives his team and is a nice guy liked by the team, but was known as a bit of a difficult driver, and he didn't make many friends in his McLaren era. Also he absolutely nuked his relationship with his then manager, a previous IndyCar/Cart title contender and Aston Martin LMS driver Adrian Fernandez, but he was still a kid who renounced the Ferrari Driver Academy to join McLaren only to end up with nothing at the end of 1 unsuccessful year. I can't relate to the pressure he was under, and can't hold it against him.
Lewis lap of Singapore in 2018 was something magical, Vettel winning 9 races in a row, a record no one is close to breaking, Alonso dragging the 2012 Ferrari into title contention , every one of the top 3 drivers have moments that are truly unbelievable and every one of them proves why they are some of the greatest to ever drive a F1 car
Rosberg won in 2012 with a car worse than any car Alonso won in the 2010's.
Meanwhile Max be like :- Let me introduce myself
Lewis's lap in Singapore was THE one for me. It was really intense and my heart was pounding at how close he was to the walls. Just an amazing driver overall.
Verstappen crashed lap in Saudi Arabia was d most exciting for me
Yes for sure because everyone was expecting the Red Bull and to a lesser extent the Ferrari to work better than the Merc at Singapore that year. That lap came from nowhere and was absolutely insane.
same - the onboard still gives me chills
@@mukulsolanki6054 doesn’t count as a lap unfortunately, just two really good sectors
@@taurusbelos6479 tbf, I very much enjoyed the final corner of that lap
Good on you for putting Alonso 3rd, best of the non-world champions of the 2010s for sure
I would argue about putting Kubica on that spot, however he only drove a single season in 2010s
But what a season that was, literally fighting for poles and podiums with a midfield Renault, which was nowhere near the top teams
However if you still think that Alonso is better, I fully respect your opinion
@@SimadeepGopalakrishnan-io4zc You're right, I completely forgot about 2019 - and looking at Williams' performance, I'd prefer not to remember it
While he had justification for being slower (driving with one arm and 8 season long break from F1), I fully agree that this season was terrible and Russell performed far better
I think he should have been first just for what he did with such horrible cars. He drove Ferrari’s tractor and getting points with that McLaren. The fact that he almost won 2 championships and got so many points in 8 years without a single good car is way more important than Vettel and Hamilton winning with the best car by far.
@@ferst262 It's definitely important, but if we only looked at it like such, then we would have to give it to some random backmarker who overperformed his shitbox
@@barkor4083 not really, it’s not only outperforming his shitbox, is almost winning a championship twice against a way faster car. No one else was that close despite having better cars than Alonso.
If we're talking about Sainz, his wizardry at setup and feedback HAS to be a part of the conversation. He's literally never left a car/team in a worse place than when he joined it, and his rapport and involvement with his engineers is a huge factor in that success. Honestly, he may be the best young driver at giving feedback since Senna
I'd say it's a bit of recency bias for Sainz. Bottas and Leclerc were a bit better imho, yes, Leclerc only had 2 seasons but what a seasons they were, and Bottas in 2014-2016 was probably the most impressive driver outside of Merc, Ferrari and Ricciardo
Sainz was around for more of the 10s than Leclerc; but what Leclerc did in 2018 and 2019 was so impressive that he deserves to be above Sainz.
@@jbaidley 100% this
Sebs run is legendary for me. 2013 with 13 race wins winning 9 IN A ROW. That is psycho.
Seb was different 🛐🛐
Sadly it's not even a record anymore
Yes I agree Bottas definitely should be above Sainz given his stint at Williams. I think that's been forgotten about in this episode. But great content as ever Josh! Just wish there was more published more often
you have no idea what you’re talking about
agreed
"Nico more than held his own" is quite an understatement regarding his years with Michael Schumacher at Mercedes
"Romain Grosjean, good at driving better at flying" this killed me 🤣🤣🤣
That Lewis segment was really well done and heartfelt, talking about that memorable lap with that subtle emotional music had me feeling a way at the end of the video. Great stuff as always Josh!
very well said! Do you know the track he used?
I appreciate your view on Lewis, it’s easy for some to try and write him off due to personal preferences, but your view truely puts it in to perspective how great of a driver he is. Loved the list and hearing your thoughts!
I love Carlos but Botas had a better run outside of Merc than rather Carlos before McLaren. I respect your list nonetheless
(imo) in the 2010s all three vettel, hamilton and alonso were on a similar level all being masters at their crafts and challenging for titles given the right machinery
Well, Alonso rarely was given the machinery, but fought for titles anyway.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 people keep exaggerating how bad the Ferrari was. 2010 the Ferrari was probably the second or third quickest car at the least. In 2012 yes the car started out slow but Ferrari kept bringing in massive upgrades that made the car able to compete with the McLaren and RB. Plus in all those cases Ferrari had bulletproof reliability.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 he had the machine in 2010 though and made the most mistakes out of the four title contenders.
@@commanderlewisskipperton8721 Exactly. I understand people saying the 2012 car being bad cause it really was bad at the start of the season. In 2010 tho the car was definetly able to compete with the RB and McLaren
@@commanderlewisskipperton8721 In 2010 Ferrari was better, but I'd say it was still slower than RB and McLaren. However, its biggest benefit was that it was more reliable than its closest competitors. And gotta agree that Alonso had some errors by himself as well. Still, his performances in 2010 and especially in 2012 were pretty damn good when you look at the machinery he was given.
I hate the people who say "He OnLy WiNs bEcAuSe ThEy HaVe ThE fAsTeSt CaR", you could say this for Senna, Prost, Schumacher and pretty much every other drive who has one a championship. I hope people in the future will appreciate how good Lewis is.
Vettel did wonders with the early ferrari's from 2015-2017 until ferrari decided to melt into "just engine no downforce" team.
I still don't believe how he managed to lead the title in 2017 with that disastrous straight line speed from ferrari.
Yep. 2017 Vettel was the better driver, but 2018 Hamilton was a beast.
A 2017 Seb vs 2018 Lewis would be one of the greatest rivalries of all time, imo.
@@kalyanpm6803 Definitely agree on 2017, but for 2018, I don't know if I wouldn't really solely credit that to Hamilton. He drove a fantastic season, no doubt, but the biggest title deciding factor was how extraordinarily shit both Vettel and Ferraris pitwall were throughout most of the year.
The 2017 Ferrari was pretty bad in a straight line but it had a great cooling system, was very kind on its tires, and had a beautifully balanced chassis. Merc struggled on tires and with overheating. That’s why the 2017 Ferrari was the car to beat at the slower, more technical tracks like Monaco, Singapore and Hungary. It also showed itself to be a great race car thanks to its less aggressive relationship with the tires, evidenced by Seb’s wins in Aus and Bahrain for example.
The 2017 Ferrari was arguable faster than the Mercedes. If it wasn't, Vettel wouldn't have been able to beat Bottas. Vettel and these hybrids were never a great marriage.
@@TetraDax The definitely made mistakes, but f.e. Vettel going in the gravel at his home track didn't help either. They did beat Bottas though who did have speed in the 2018 Merc.
The qualy from Australia 2018 is not talked enough. Thats one of those laps where Hamilton just throws the car around yet there is zero correction on the wheel. The inputs are so subtle yet so aggressive. There are points in the lap where you think the car is just not gonna make it through the corner yet he just keeps making the car turn. One of the best laps of Hamiltons portfolio and one of the best ones to have witnessed it live.
Agreed..how would you compare his 2018 singapore lap. I felt like even that lap was great.
The Singapore lap will always have the top place in my heart cause of the circumstances it came under, but Australia 2018 and Qatar 2021 are the underrated laps that he produced (and I truly believe that those laps were more Lewis than the car)
I don't care what the mindless haters say, he's a bit special, isn't he? ;) I said that to my husband when I first saw him race - it happened to be GP2 and _that_ race in Turkey. Hub asked what I was watching and I said "a future F1 champion". Funnily enough, first race I saw Max in, Spa in his F3 year (the first of the three he won that weekend), hubby walked into the room, asked the same question, and got the same answer. I remembered that I'd said that about Lewis when I said it, and I knew that as soon as Max got into F1 (I had no doubt he would), the racing would be awesome. It's nice to know I'm right occasionally 😄
(I'm not a fangirl for either, I appreciate their talents equally. And as fantastic as some other drivers on the current grid are, I genuinely believe these will be the two names that come to mind thirty years from now.)
@@un6250 that Singapore lap is just precision. Everything is just perfectly on the limit without the look of being on the limit. Hamilton has aged now and is difficult for him to produce those one lap performances. I'm just glad I was there to witness it live
@@y_fam_goeglyd truly one of the greatest talents of this sport. He and Max and generational. Such a privilege
I know it's not the 2010s, but lewis' last year performance in Brazil had it for me.. That he could be at his peak for so long and pull off such a great drive in this Era, at that age, after this long time in f1.. I mean come on! He is truly one of the best!
I'm 20 years old and have only recently got into F1, and for me Hamilton has always been the almost parodistic archetype of the champion. I remember when, as a kid, someone would talk to me about F1 and I would ask them who had won the race the answer was always a rather annoyed 'Hamilton, as always'. And being Italian it's quite a strange thing, but for me he really has always been the face of victory, the epitome not of the racing driver but of the winner.
And, the more I learned about the sport and the more I found out about him, the more I realized how much this conception of mine really had substance and wasn't only a childish memory.
Interlagos 2021 was undoubtedly the highlight though, there I really understood without a doubt that Hamilton was the best driver of the modern era, rivaled only by Shumy and Senna in the previous two eras
I so hope I will be able to see him finally take his eighth title before he retires, he really deserves it
If I have to Name a example of one of the greatest Quali Laps I immediately have to think about Singapore 2018. That Lap was incredible
I remember me and my dad watching that and being in disbelief
singapore 2013 was also amazing
Singapore 2018 and Singapore 2013.
I think putting VB behind Carlos and Checo is not really fair in the list:
I think both of them upped their game and putting themselves in the next level in 2020 and 2021, but we 2010s means we should not consider year 20 and 21.
In that case, simply no way that VB performed worse than Carlos and Checo in the 2010s.
As a diehard Max fan, I have to say I approve of this list. Obviously I'd rate him higher, but favoritism should be weighed against results when making a top driver list. Great content as always!
How is he below Ricciardo? He scored more wins, podiums and points over Ricciardo.
Ricciardo got beaten by three drivers in that decade.
@@hoya1178 Yes, he had 1 win less. But Daniel beat a 4 time world champion, got 3 poles vs. Max's 2 and a victory in Monaco. Those are pretty good stats on any day.
@@hoya1178 Not to mention he beat max in 2 out of the 3 years they were together.
@@hoya1178 The problem with Verstappen is that in the beginning he was very prone to making mistakes, most likely due to his young age, witch really hurt his performances in his starting years, but now that he is maturing more and more I am willing to argue that he is currently the best on the grid.
@@tychocarriere8161 Well….he WAS a legal child. He did outstanding considering. You should see MY teenager. 😂
Bottas 100% deserves to be in the top ten. Yes he was well beaten by ham at merc but it is ham. But don't forget he got that drive because of his excellent stint at williams where he was a consistent podium finisher and had the better of massa
Putting Sainz into the top 10, but only giving an honourable mention to Bottas, is pure recency bias.
I like Singapore 2018 as Lewis’s best lap. That was absolutely mesmerizing to watch
The transitions between the drivers was beautiful. Simply poetic.
Smooth operator
Really good job on the script mate, those transitions to the next driver are great.
Vettel is the most interesting driver. Something about his driving style and that V8 redbull just worked. His flying laps were amazing. Just perfection. I always wondered if the new cars just never fit him, or if he just started focusing on other things in life, and never cared enough to be at that level again.
He did win 14 races though. 4th most in the hybrid era(2014-2021)
"good at driving... better at flying" XD
Its funny how lauda is kinda responsible for 2 of the most dominant driver team pairings in f1 history.RIP legend
The transitions between drivers are absolutely brilliant. Well done.
Hi Josh 1st off thanks for the recognition of Jules bianchi he needs to be remembered I was just wondering if it be possible to make a video with you looking over his career and that to show the new fans just what such a talent he was
Apparently the reason we judge everything against “Sliced Bread” is because it disappeared during World War 2 (more accurately cellophane went away, which meant that pre sliced bread would go stale). So it’s the rare invention that became popular, then went away, then returned.
Josh "We're a family here right?"
*Also Josh:* Stirs the Belgian/Dutch pot
One thing that I always remember about Lewis was his pole lap at Suzuka in 2017. Just watching him power that Mercedes the whole lap was amazing.
My list:
1. Hamilton
2. Vettel
3. Alonso
4. Rosberg
5. Ricciardo
6. Verstappen
7. Button
8. Raikkonen
9. Perez
10. Bottas
My list:
1. hamilton
2. vettel
3. alonso
4. rosberg
5. button
6. verstappen
7. ricciardo
8. bottas
9. Raikkonen
10. webber
Basically the same as Josh but you swapped Button and Raikkonen
@@Jtngetabettername bottas?
@@StanArctic Didn't realise Bottas had gotten as unnoticable as Sainz for me, dammit
My list:
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Sebastian Vettel
=. Fernando Alonso
4. Nico Rosberg
5. Daniel Ricciardo
6. Max Verstappen
7. Kimi Räikkönen
8. Sergio Pérez
9. Jenson Button
10. Charles Leclerc
Pre-sliced bread was first sold in the late 1920's. The reason why it was so great was the combination of inventions which allowed it to be cut and wrapped automatically and most importantly stayed fresher. Most people in the US switched to sliced bread very quickly.
There are many small inventions like this which we often don't even know about which have made our lives simpler and easier, and the phrase came about because a reporter used this as an example.
Seb will always have a special place in my heart
Seb will always have a special place in everyone's hearts.
@sadsadsa asadasd Elaborate
@sadsadsa asadasd You cannot interpret a whole season with "what ifs..." because you would insult other champions as well
@sadsadsa asadasd I wrote down a long ass paragraph and added this short comment under it but I guess fucking youtube didn't register it unlucky
Sainz over Bottas is a stretch, am I the only who thinks that Sainz went from being incredibly underrated to just slightly overrated?
Sainz only started beeing impressive in 2019 imo, while Bottas' big drop off only came in 2020. So yeah I think it's completely off.
not from my view. in every car he drove so far he surpassed expectations and yet if you look at the reputations, he is still an underdog. most people would put him at the bottom of the top 10 drivers or even outside...
@@maxmustermann369 Tbh though I don't think you can reasonably make a case for him being better than any of the guys above him. His Renault stint was fairly underwhelming and, like the first reply, 2019 was his true breakthrough. In terms of the 2020's, he's easily top 5, but I don't think there is anything that would convince me to put him any higher than in Josh's list for the 2010's
It seems to happen whenever someone is overrated, we'll level out to just, rated, this season probably
Did this man put leclerc in honorable mentions and sainz in top 10?????
Bottas deserves to be higher. Really. His Williams stint was very good, even if he fell at Merc.
I like kimmi. His rookie season was the same I was born in. And he's only just out of the sport. The career of this monolith of racing experience is incredible
I remember when he started in F1 and people said he was too young and didnt have enough experience to be there.
Most memorable pole laps this decade all came from Singapore Seb in 15,13 and 17, Rosberg 2016, Ham 2018 and Lec 19
Daniel 2016 in Monaco though, 0.3 ahead of Rosberg, and nearly a full second ahead of Vettel in 4th. For a maiden pole! We just forget about the race itself
15:06 For me it is 2018 Singapore, the 23-turns of perfection. That was one time Lewis activated godmode. The lap also shows how much risks he is willing to take when the stake is high. To put it into context, he wasn't the favorite at that time, yet not only he goes into pole, he smashed the lap record and has never beaten by anybody for good measure.
that lap is the sole reason i think he's probably the GOAT. To dod that at a street circuit, that takes divine protection cuz the wall's just a meter away lol
@スケルスケル 7>1 🤷🏽♂️
@@lh445 Was Max better over last season? Yes(Although it’s highly debatable depending on which point of the season). Was Max better over his entire career? That remains to be seen as they’re at completely different points in their careers. Most of Lewis’s titles have been won with very little competition bar Nico in 16 and Seb somewhat in 17 and 18 (If his Ferrari and the team didn’t keep shutting itself then it could’ve been genuine), so if Max wins his titles through hard fights (which he’s already done once) then he can be comparable. So please, until then curb your bias, it’s more evident than the Sun
@@UnknOwnParad0x the thing is with Lewis is he got put into a car that most of the drivers on the grid would win championships in with a teammate for most of it who’d just roll over and take it sure at the beginning of his stint there he was quick but after Hotta’s came in he didn’t even need to show up for most of the races as the car probably could have done it by itself
well making fun of maldonado is kind of fun, but i think if you make a top 20 to 30 list there is no way that he could have been excluded. granted, he crashed a lot and sometimes he took people out, but he did win a race in quite some fashion and scored 76 points. most drivers didnt achieve this...
Jokes aside. Pastor was a super fast driver, but terrible at race craft. If Aramco ratings existed back then, his stats will be like 85% Pace and 10%race craft
with this you could also put in Grosjean
been waiting for this for ages. thanks josh!
The 2010’s were a decade of dynasties, with the Red Bull Dynasty from 2010-2013 and the Mercedes Dynasty from 2014-2019.
You can make that argument for the whole of the 2000s
Even thought I don’t love Max, I will say if he didn’t go into the wall Saudi Arabia 2021 in Q3 we’d talk about that lap like we talk about Montreal 2018. It was sublime.
Thanks for putting Vettel in 2nd instead of 3rd unlike other RUclipsrs. People tends to forget he also challenged Mercedes’ most dominate period for wins on pure merit time and time again in 2015 and 2016, and challenged Hamilton for the title in 2017 even though his car isn’t really capable of maintaining the challenge. You can’t simply define his decade on his mistakes on the 2nd half of 2018 and 2019 and put someone like Alonso above him because of his Ferrari performances.
I mean, there is not a single argument to be made about Alonso being the better driver in the 2010s. Over their whole careers - Possibly. Probably. But in the 2010s? Alonso was functionally absent for half of them, and while he did overperform massively in that Ferrari, in the end he still lost to Vettel. Twice. Statistics are not everything, but there are few non-statistical arguments that would counteract a simple statistic: 4 WDCs vs Zero.
@@TetraDax are you for real? For half that time Nando was in the shitbox McLaren while seb was in a better Ferrari. Alonso's time in Ferrari was better than Seb in red. Not to say that Seb isn't/wasn't great but people diminish the roles of the car a lot. And ignore seb's mistakes that Fernando didn't do in Ferrari.
@@TetraDax so statistics aren’t everything but for you they are? Alonso performances were 9/10 minimum each year , vettel is far too inconsistent to be considered better
@@hishamhilal8332 how do you know seb's ferrari was better? he was like 150 points ahead of kimi in 2015. more than what alonso was of massa in 2012
@@hishamhilal8332 Alonso’s got the best strategists, the best pit crew, and the most reliable engine by far. The reason he challenged all the way til the last round is because his strategist didn’t have the tendency to lose 1 to 3 places via pit stops, and other contenders DNFing from engine issues. Otherwise his title run would’ve ended in the Asia rounds
God damn I hope you’re here till 2030, you’re the one guy I come to for all the info I need for racing. Like just imagining you not making videos would be the worst, I mean you literally got me into the history of formula one. Don’t quit, you are the best RUclipsr man
2:36 #forzajules
I'm so glad he atleast made it onto the mentions list. He deserves to be remembered not only as a great driver but as a great person aswell.
If only the race was red flagged.
such an under appreciated channel and well deserving of 1mil
and only one of the few ones that I watch that keeps me engaged for the whole video.
love your content.
i only started watching f1 recently but i personally think bottas did a really good job in the merc. granted it is a merc and most if not any driver on the grid could have finished on the second step more times than not…but that’s only an if. Bottas has 67 podiums to his name and delivered day in and day out. yes it was in a mercedes but he still was able to do nonetheless. It takes two drivers to win a constructors title, and he helped win four of mercs eight. that should mean more than an honeable mention in my opinion.
I have no idea how you find so much jokes to put in between all the info, but keep it coming, those videos are great ! Thank you !
IMO the main problem of the 2010s was how streaky every team was. There was not a lot of room to develop cars and there was not a lot of money to go around if you mis-developed the car. That's why you're likely to not see any non-anglos rate Lewis over Schumacher.
lewis thought the 2020 car was "behind" just because it wasn't 4 seconds faster
This video will be so controversial that his twitter bio will be 'I didn't survive the f1 twitter war of 2022'
I wish each VPN ad I watched didn't say you can access streaming services from other places in the world, it's pretty rare these days that a VPN will be able to access a streaming service these days. Take it from me, someone who works all around the world who has tried about half a dozen VPNs whilst trying furiously to connect to my streaming provider in Australia to watch F1. You can't even access BBC Iplayer anymore with a VPN. You shouldn't be selling VPNs saying they can do this when they just can't.
Other than that, love your work, a great video as always.
Bottas should be P6 or P7 on this list 2014-16 was amazing beat massa easily, at mercedes had 7 (7 in 2010s) wins against the best driver in history, so underrated
I don't think he was better than Button(had 8 wins), Verstappen(had 8 wins) or Ricciardo(debatable). So maybe P8 is the right position.
@@chamindujanith6337 I think button was underrated on this list. Was a good match for both Hamilton and Alonso I think he deserved to be at about the same level as rosberg
@@JB22. Personally Rosberg had a better 2010's than Alonso for me. His win in 2012 was in a car worse than any car Alonso won in the 2010's. Alonso is very hard to judge in this decade given his teammate most of the time was Massa who really was sub-par this whole decade. After Massa left Ferrari he got obliterated by Bottas at Williams. So not the greatest of benchmark.
Agree about Button. Not the greatest qualifier. But such an elite racer.
I was about to whip out a 400 word essay on why Mathematically youre existence was a mistake as i was thinking Alonso wasn't on the list, Thankfully you put him there.
This is a joke btw.
Yeah VB below Sainz, Perez is pretty suspect, VB at his best (regardless of how inconsistent he may be on race day) in the 2010s was clearly ahead of Perez and Sainz at their best, even taking the car into account for me.
Nah not ahead of Perez, probably Sainz as sainz achieved much more in the last 2 years than his years in the 2010's but Perez was a top class driver
@@lionshistoryandgeography You forget that Bottas beat perez in both 2014 and 2015 compared to only Perez's 2016. Bottas' teammate was also Felipe Massa, whom he beat, compared to Perez's Hukenberg, the man who never got a podium.
I'd keep him behind Perez mainly because of the 2016 season where they had comparable cars and Perez was ahead. But he should be ahead of Sainz in p10. Sainz had a good 17 and 19 seasons but his other seasons were pretty meh, especially compared to Bottas' best and worst seasons.
@@pollux_id2557 only really the 2016 season is comparable. 14 and 15 Williams was a clear top 3 team, FI were never that level.
Perez was by far the best driver of the decade among those guys who never got a chance to drive for a top-performing team.
some people would just hate on lewis because he got the "best" cars most of his career.. the dude is a fucking legends and there is no denying it.
People seem to forget that in 2012 Alonso bottled a 40 point lead over Vettel....the Ferrari wasn't nearly as bad as people would like to let you believe.
Cant agree more ,it was red bull that were better,same with 2018 season woth Ferrari and merc
Great list as usual: :)
However I agree with most other people in the comments that considering Bottas' Williams years he should definitely be in the top 10.
In total my list looks like this, making it a Top 25 to give some respect to a number of additional drivers.
25) Esteban Ocon (2016-2018 - MRT/Force India)
24) Michael Schumacher (2010-2012 - Mercedes)
23) Pastor Maldonado (2011-2015 - Williams/Lotus)
22) Paul di Resta (2011-2013; 2017 - Force India/Williams)
21) Kamui Kobayashi (2010-2012; 2014 - BMW Sauber/Sauber/Caterham)
20) Adrian Sutil (2010-2011; 2013-2014; Force India/Sauber)
19) Daniil Kvyat (2014-2017; 2019 - Toro Rosso/Red Bull)
18) Kevin Magnussen (2014-2019; McLaren/Renault/Haas)
17) Robert Kubica (2010; 2019 - Renault/Williams)
16) Carlos Sainz Jr. (2015-2019 - Toro Rosso/Renault/McLaren)
15) Romain Grosjean (2012-2019 - Lotus/Haas)
14) Felipe Massa (2010-2017 - Ferrari/Williams)
13) Charles Leclerc (2018-2019 - Sauber/Ferrari)
12) Nico Hülkenberg (2010; 2012-2019 - Williams/Force India/Sauber/Renault)
11) Sergio Pérez (2011-2019 - Sauber/McLaren/Force India/Racing Point)
10) Mark Webber (2010-2013 - Red Bull)
9) Kimi Räikkönen (2012-2019 - Lotus/Ferrari/Alfa Romeo)
8) Jenson Button (2010-2017 - McLaren)
7) Valtteri Bottas (2013-2019 - Williams/Mercedes)
6) Daniel Ricciardo (2011-2019 - HRT/Toro Rosso/Red Bull/Renault)
5) Max Verstappen (2015-2019 - Toro Rosso/Red Bull)
4) Nico Rosberg (2010-2016 - Mercedes)
3) Fernando Alonso (2010-2018 - Ferrari/McLaren)
2) Sebastian Vettel (2010-2019 - Red Bull/Ferrari)
1) Lewis Hamilton (2010-2019 - McLaren/Mercedes)
Now while making this list I just realized that Hamilton and Vettel are in fact the only drivers of the decade that participated in all ten seasons of the 2010's. :O
11:00 ok, I am going to explain it again: Vettel won the championship with 4 points more than Alonso, so even if Fernando passed Petrov, he also had to pass Kubica and Rosberg. And Fun fact: Both Vettel and Alonso had 5 wins, 2 second places and 3 third places. So if Alonso would finished p5 in Abu Dhabi, both he and Seb would've scored 256 points at the end of the season, but Vettel would've won the championship by more p4 finishes
Sorry but i have to correct you, alonso being held up by petrov allowed kubica and rosberg to over cut him. You cant just look at the results of a race and know the whole story. I recommend watching the race fully on F1TV
@@DrangonfruitStudios well, I mean that he had issues with Petrov, it would be harder to pass Kubica and Rosberg
@@snobey well yes but i am highlighting that you are incorrectly telling a story how it wasnt, not that abu dhabi was difficult to pass on that day
@@snobey Ferrari completely bungled Alonso's strategy in 2010 because they were so focused on Webber. Still, regardless of him losing the title, Alonso was much more consistent in a much lesser car. The fact that F1 Team Bosses voted and awarded him 'Driver of the Year' in 2010 despite Vettel winning the title is proof.
@@DrangonfruitStudios What? Overtaking was very hard that day. Hamilton got stuck behind the other Renault of Kubica until Kubica went to pits.
I never thought I would agree with a list more. Great vid btw!
there’s nothing you’ll be able to say to convince me that Bottas isn’t top 10 he was still one of the top drivers while at Mercedes and his Williams stint was very good but is only overlooked due to recency bias. Haven’t watched the rest of the video but I think Bottas should be ahead of Perez assuming he’s on here
That lap 1 overtake at Kemmel Straight will never not gave me shivers down my spine.
Fernando Alonso: _3rd on the list…_
also Fernando: *_missed the Indy 500 field because wrong shade of orange paint_* 😑
wut?
I think you nailed it, maybe I'd debate Carlos at #10, but that's it.
Alonso on P2, Vettel on P3 and Bottas on P10 putting out Sainz. And then it's perfect for me.
Yeah no one asked
@@renanokten6058 No-one had to ask, it's kinda the entire purpose of a comments section for people to share opinions and give the creator feedback.
Josh actually does state, at 15:41, that it's just his opinion, almost encouraging people to share theirs in the comments, but I guess this guy's opinion doesn't matter to you because nobody specifically asked for it.
Pathetic.
i really appreciate the transitions man
Lewis Brazil 2021 drive just gives me goosebumps everytime.....I never seen anything like that in my life
You have never seen anyone go from 10th 1st?
@@hoya1178 Considering the whole weekend it was impressive. Not the best drive ever but impressive
Not a Lewis hater, but that weekend his car was literally 1 second faster than the redbulls and 3 seconds faster than the rest. My grandmother would’ve probably gotten a podium with that rocketship
Melbourne 2018 and also Singapore that year was a sight to watch
Carlos and Checo over Valterri doesn't really make much sense to me. Recency bias I guess
Abu Dhabi bias, watch the 2021 driver's ranking and it's clear as day that's the main reason.
I honestly thought the disrespect would stop when Russell was announced at Merc, but no
1 Lewis Hamilton
2 Fernando Alonso
3 Nico Rosberg
4 Max Verstappen
5 Sebastian Vettel
6 Jenson Button
7 Kimi Raikkonen
8 Felipe Massa
9 Daniel Ricciardo
10 Romain Grosjean
4:00 team LH just had a fucking heart attack
Nah I didn’t. I knew the joke was coming
Lol when I first heard you mention Nico Bellic I thought you were making a GTA 4 reference haha
We all know Lance Stroll's gonna be no. 1 in the 2030 list. It's inevitable.
2nd after Goattifi
Stroll 22, Stroll 23, Stroll 24……
The Lawrence Stroll masterplan
Stroll only needs a competent car.
He wiped the floor with Russell in F3 Euro. But went to F1 way too early
@@alexandreb.1101 Why did he wipe floor with him? Because his father owned the fuckin team... And the team was prema.
If you think these series are equal we have nothing to talk about here.
Josh, you’re the king of these style of videos.
In my opinion Verstappen is a 71 times world champion and because of being unlucky couldn’t be one officially and hence the GOAT. Here’s why
1950-1997: wasn’t born
1997-2014: too young for f1
2015: tractor toro rosso
2016-2020: mercedes OP
2021: WORLD CHAMPION
he won every year 😀
Dude he lost to Ricciardo in 2016 and 2017.🤣🤣
@@chamindujanith6337I’m joking G, this isn’t even mine, I saw a max fan post this on twitter and this was too funny to not post here 😄
@@kabirsharma2858 You Lewis fanboys are so obsessed with Max lol
MAN WE'VE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS VIDEO
Agree with the list but I'd say Lewis' lap at Hungary in the McLaren (unsure of year) was immense. RB were far quicker and he chucked that thing around. I remember his saying 'that's more than I thought I could do', or something like that and scoring pole. I'm an Alonso fan btw lol but Lewis is best driver of all time.....special!
honestly, the 2010s-20s are unreal. The amount of talent F1 has seen in the last 10y destroys any kind of nostalgia. Lewis, Max, Vettel, Alonso, Kimi, even Rosberg or Button would be considered legendary if they ran on the 70s or 80s. I'm not saying they are better Lauda, Piquet or Senna (well..some of them are), but this is the peak of the sport, culminating on 2021 battle, which even if it ended the way it did, it's already on the history books. I watch F1 since 1994. and honestly, i don't miss the good old days. THESE are the good old days
Bottas easily into the Top 10. He was amazing with Williams and still underratedly good with Mercedes.
“Good at driving, better at flying” I like grosjean but that’s hilarious 😂
I don't understand why people crap on bottas so bad he for a time was the exact team mate Mercedes wanted for Lewis almost always in second place most races in the points more times than not yeah his race craft wasn't the best but the guy aunt that bad but other than that solid list
Because he's more like a saturday driver, good over one lap, not consistent enough. The minute Merc wasn't so good over the season, he wasn't good enough and even finished 5th in 2018 - I think after that Wolff wanted to change him, but eventually stayed with him. Even that Williams tenure isn't some great example, because that Williams was certainly a good car. (two years it was among the Top3)
And even his attitude is really strange, he thinks he's better than the number 2 driver - but he just isn't good enough. I'm glad that he's finally out of the Merc - now he can stop that BS with "version 2.345680...."
My Top 3 :
3.Daniil Kyvat
2.Pastor Maldonado
1.Lord Mahaveer Raghunathan
If including 2020's too of course : Nikita Mazepin.
Sainz and Perez over Bottas? Okay..... And to be fair Valtteri was the better finn overall in 2010s
Another great video Josh 👍
Probably a bit biased as an Alonso fan but I really can't see how Alonso can be lower than Vettel or Hamilton. Alonso didn't have a single year off in the 2010s.
Consistently overperforming while at Ferrari, he was without a doubt the best driver in the 2010-13 period. Fighting Vettel at his peak in a greatly inferior car in 2012 talks for itself. He should have NEVER been in the fight for the title, NEVER. Talking of Vettel, yes he was absolutely insane in the 2010s but after the 2018 summer, his performances really dropped and regular mistakes started to creep in. Hence why I'd put him behind Alonso.
Now, onto Lewis. What he has done at Mercedes is nothing short of incredible. As you said, he joined the team when it had already won a race but when they started to be dominant past 2014, he was always there. Rarely, have we ever seen someone that can deliver at such high level so consistently. The problem I have is the way he started the 2010s. 2010 was a good year for him. He was in the championship fight and did well. However, the next 2 years were rough, 2011 especially. Many mistakes, lots of crashes and poor performances.
As said above, Alonso didn't have any year off. Easily the best driver in the first half of the decade, many great performances flew under the radar when he was at McLaren. The 2018 Azerbaijan GP is often forgotten but he went from barely making it to the pits with 2 punctured wheels, a heavily damaged floor to a P6. I'm sure there is other example but I can think of any other on top of my head
Anyway, that's just my humble opinion =D
Alonso is overall better driver than Vettel looking on what he did in what cars he had but rating is fair. Vettel had comp car for almost entire decade while Alonso for 2014-2018 is stuck in GP2 engine Vettel just did more things overall . if this would be rating from 2010-2014 Alonso could easly be 1st.
Agreed. Let's look the stat about Vettel vs Kimi vs Alonso. Qualifying pace: Kimi in average rightly behind Vettel. OTOH, Kimi 4-5 place behind Alonso. The teammate’s timeline isn't even a year a part. Kimi didn't lose his pace overnight.
I second this!
@@madjayax731 Just look at 2014, Alonso scored 161 points to Kimi's 55. Both struggled in the car but Alonso made the most out of it. The F14T was so bad people called it the FIAT.
2013 and 2018 were two of the best years of Kimi Raikkonen’s career and I stand by this statement.
You're being way too disrespectful to Bottas dude. He put in some great drives in the Williams beating a veteran like Massa. And he wasn't bad at all in the Mercedes. Nobody's going to look good when you put them next to Lewis Hamilton, a fact George Russell will probably learn this year. Bottas is an excellent qualifier and put in a fair few great performances for Merc and you can't just discredit his achievements cause he was in the fastest car. That's like calling Barrichello a bad driver cause he never beat Schumi. I'd put Valtteri in the list over Sainz any day.
Agree. Dani Ric and Bottas were rival in their junior career and their pace were even. No way Bottas would have had massive pace advantage to Dani Ric or vice versa when they went to F1, unless either Bottas or Dani Ric landed on a superior car to another. Another thing why is their pace remain even in F1 is Dani Ric and Bottas finished 3 and 4 at 2014 final standing. It was Bottas second F1 year. Both of them outscored the previous RBR golden boy Vettel. RBR sat 2nd on the final constructor standing and William was 3rd. Their final drivers standing were expected as RBR and Williams were the 2nd and 3rd cars of the time respectively.
Have you seen the 2021 driver's ranking?
dude seems to just dislike Bottas with a passion
Your videos are always awesome, thanks