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The Director knows exactly what collectors thrive upon, and at the same time to generate interest in the hobby for new upcoming collectors. Personally, I hope to see the day when the Mint considers commemorative California Gold Rush territorial gold coins, such as the San Francisco Assayer's Office $50.00 slug, same weight and fineness. After all, the Assayer's Office was just a micro version of what eventually became the U.S. San Francisco branch of the U.S. Mint. In other words, this type of coin reaffirms the place in history of the Assayer's Office and its importance in U.S. history, including the Civil War.
not related to this video, but i wanted to tell you about my research in soaking pennies in olive oil to clean them= i have been experimenting for 11 years= what i found= to keep them from changing color,tone you must; use only PURE extra virgin olive oil= you must read the ingrediants only soak them in glass containers, preferably a white bowl and finally, when the oil starts to turn darker green- you must change the oil- this will happen in 3 days to a few months, depending how dirty the pennies were. i soaked an indian head 1868 cent for TEN YEARS = it was unreadable when i got it and it is still dark, but i can read everything perfectly= have fun, anyone who wants to try this
I've always preferred the Peace Dollar design to the Morgan. I dig the whole "art deco" vibe, and the historical significance of the symbolism (the Roman-style "v" for "victory" in "TRVST", the resting eagle) commemorating the world at peace after WWI. I wish I had known about the "Director's Strike" issue! I didn't order these because I'm gonna be spending my money on proofs and especially the reverse proof sets, but if I had known these were out there (I'm assuming they did 200 Director's Morgans too) I may have tried a little harder to find the dough. That said, it seems like this new mint director gets it. It's a great idea, and these things will probably be worth their weight in gold. 👍
Your video's are very informative therefore I have a question about milk spots......I just received 2 American Liberty 2022 Metals. Both have what appears to be tiny circle milk spots that you can only see with a loupe. My question , will the milk spots grow ? I'm not sure if I want to send them back . Thanks !
You have the right idea. I’d like to know what exactly constitutes these being Directors strikes. Don’t they just push a button these days? What they should have done is punch the directors initials in to the die just the way mintmarks use to be done. This is something she and the mint could have done easily!
These phony rarity Mint gimmicks reflect today's overall shallow, gullible culture and willingness to swallow the bait hook,line, and sinker. These are not legal tender but commemorative OF previous legal tender. Right along with phoney: celebrities, politicians, entertainers, banks, money, musicians and singers, food...the vapid, tedious, vulgar, boring, unreal and absurd. It undermines the credibility of numismatics, insults the intelligence of collectors, reinforces an unholy alliance between the political mint and "capitalistic" and out of bounds certification entities in bed for the mighty (though worthless) dollar.
China built a whole hospital in 24hrs for covid patients! If you haven't seen the video? You should watch the time-lapse. I'm pretty sure they can have these boxes, coins, and coa pumping in about 5hrs!
As an ancient Roman coin collector I can tell you guys the “V” in trust is there because they were using the old Roman way of writing. There was no letter U in Classical Latin. For example Emperor Augustus wrote his name: “AVGVSTVS”
I know a guy who received one. PCGS told him that only unopened boxes would be verifiable. The lack of any identifier makes them too easy to fake and I'm glad I didn't receive one!
I just realized that you posted this a year ago. But, I looked at eBay immediately and found a bunch for sale, some included the "box" and COA. Prices range from $65 to $129 graded MS70. Have you done an update on this "Director's Cut"? So is the box the only difference? Cheers, Bob
No I haven't but that would be suspicious if you're seeing a bunch of these, this is the one with the Mint Directors card, not just any 2023 Peace. Here's the director strikes www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2510209.m570.l1311&_nkw=2023+peace+dollar+directors+strike&_sacat=0
You could put a small hole in the shipping box and take it to your local auto shop and ask them to use their bore scope and take a look inside for the card
I get calling it a commemorative, but it is legal tender, a real silver dollar, and it's a Morgan. It's not the same as the old Morgans, but a Morgan nonetheless. I love the Peace dollars. It's so nice to have a wonderfully struck example of them. I'm just smitten with Peace Dollars, old or new. My favorite coin.
Commemorative dollars are legal tender as well and they're 90% silver, just a different design, and these are considered commemorative coins and no regular issues.
I am gonna need one of the director’s strike peace dollars. There is no coin I love more than Peace Dolllars. When I could barely walk, about 58 years ago, my grandfather gave me the first coin that was mine. It was a 1923 Peace dollar. I fell in love with it immediately because lady Liberty on the peace dollar looks uncannily like my Mom, plus my grandfather gave it to me.
Peace is my favorite too, Daniel. Thanks for the vid! Edited to add: I think it would be great if they would designate each coin with what number it is on the COA, special strike or not. If they mint 200,000 of some coin, the COA could indicate that this particular coin you received was #140,050 out of the 200k - but yeah, the coin itself would need to have some indicator as well.
My Peace and Morgan dollars arrived yesterday and both boxes were tampered with with by someone in transit: Both seals were broken but I didn't realize it until I was inside the house the letter carrier had driven off. Thankfully both coins were still in the box and seemed un-tampered and undamaged. I figured an "inside job." Folks inside the USPS are aware of the boxes and know what to look for but apparently ran out of time in my case before they could filch the contents. The labels read: "STOP. If seal is broken or package damaged check contents before signing receipt." I was never asked to sign any receipt so I consider myself very lucky that I didn't open two packages of "air." Check your deliveries carefully!
First glance thought mine was opened also but was actually taped only on the sides and back making it appear open on the top sides, As they usually tape the front also. . This could be what your seeing..
I say this all in good fun but I'm a quite appalled at that finish. It looks to me as if like they were sprayed with silver spray paint, or painted with silver nail polish or something. I'm amazed nobody else seems to care about the utter lack of cartwheel shine or any kind of shine for that matter. It's like they poured pewter into molds to make these.
You're right, but this is even worse than the comic book industry because they at least made more than 200 of them. This will be pretty easy to fake. Also, this is not the first gimmick they ever did there @blake7587 as they gave out "W" mint mark pennies in mint sets in 2019. That's the better way to do something like this where the coin is the rare item and not the packaging, although some people on eBay still want to act like the packaging for the W pennies is a big deal. I put the coins in an album and put the envelopes in a box.
Received my (2) 2023 Peace Dollars today and am absolutely delighted with them! I was concerned the finish may be overly frosted or 'grainy' as on the 1996 Old Mint commem and several USMint products since, but was delighted to receive coins with smooth, even, creamy lustre very similar to that seen on images of 1921 'Satin Proof' Peace Dollars only much better struck and absent of any flaws whatever. Aside from my uncirculated 1921, these are now my favorite Peace Dollars among those that I own though I am also _very_ fond of the privately minted Daniel Carr High Relief 'Broken Sword' overstrikes. I do not regret 'passing' on the '23 Morgans as the finish differs too much from any original Morgan (though somewhat like a 'Zerbe'). I prefer the original Morgan's flat fields and 'cartwheel' lustre to the 2023 issues and also have several lovely 'Prooflike' and 'DMPL' examples. In short, I think 'original' 1878-1904 Morgans look far better than those of 1921 or any re issue I have yet seen, but find these new Peace Dollars to be improvements over the originals. I expect the Proof and Reverse Proof '23 Peace to be exceptionally beautiful or, perhaps, 'over the top' corny. Will see when they arrive as I have two of each on subscription. Suggestion to the Mint for future 'Limited Strike' coins: a different collar could be used for the limited run with lettering, stars, 'interrupted reeding' or some other defining feature, then replace with usual reeded collar for remainder of production run. By the way, it's Tuesday evening (07/18) and the proof 2023 Morgan and Peace _subscriptions_ are still available on the USMint (.gov) 'site. Reverse proofs show "unavailable".
Hi Daniel. I just checked my peace dollar I received last week. Yep. I received 127 of 200 directors strike. It is perfect. Not sure if it is a real big deal or not.
I agree. The COA and box are nice but if the container is opened there is no way to PROVE THAT coin is the one. Maybe a privy mark of some kind would help - even if it were a difference on the reeding.
Agreed. The mint could have simply used different collars for the limited edition, then switched out to regular reeded collars for remainder of the production run.
Thanks for the Shout out. I will be opening my box and not sending off for grading in the sealed box due to the low odds. But it will be cool, if I have one. That a huge "IF" However if people are sending off to be graded in the sealed box I would ask for the OGP back.
The US Mint should have produced 200 high relief 2023 peace dollars to send to customers instead of including the 200 directors strike certificates, at least that way the coin would be more valuable instead of just including a special certificate with the same coin everyone else is getting.
We’ve now concluded that the box is unchanged and the black “Director’s Strike” item is actually a special black COA with a number (e.g. 61 of 200) and the director’s hand sig.
Great video, new subscriber today.😀 So far it seems like there has only been one of these that has surfaced? Maybe 2...not sure. I purchased 5 Morgans and 4 Peace dollars in 3 different orders. I opened the 5 Morgans (overall happy with them) and I had a subscription for 3 Peace dollars, they are also opened and incredible! However I ordered one more single Peace on the 13th, and I have not opened that box yet. Thinking of sending that one in for grading, since I have not heard of anymore found. I prefer raw coins but I have been a member of PCGS for 3 years now. Any thoughts by anyone on this?😊 I membered up when they started the coin hunt for the West Point quarters, but have yet to ever send anything in lol. Oh well, I like the books haha
I may just not know how the coins are minted but isn't the process mostly automated? So was the director just standing next to the machine when these were made? I know she wasn't out there with a big hammer forging them from raw ore 😄
@@dmpi483 The mint could have simply used different collars for the limited edition to impart a lettered edge, stars, or some distinct design, then switched out to regular reeded collars for remainder of the production run.
I got screwed on the original issue a year or two ago, twice I was completing an order online and got disconnected, next try said they were sold out. I'm sure dealers had no problem getting them. Mint should have either made more or made it a lottery. Also should have limited it to one apiece.
Ya. What you need to do is when you get your box from the United States mint fill out the PCGS form don't take your coin out-of-the-box send the entire tape the box to PCGS not only that but you need to write on the form that you want to see OD if it has a signature on it encapsulated that's the only way it'll be a true PCGS graded coin with the encapsulation grated also
What is to prevent someone from sending this special Peace coin out for grading having the box and coa returned to them and keeping ithe slabbed coin then change out the coin and sell it at a premium on ebay with the box and COA . I would only buy a slabbed coin with the box and coa
You’re only buying the box and COA, coin doesn’t matter either way. I doubt PCGS will grade the coin from and unsealed box, but they might grade the COA and put the same number on both slabs to prevent that.
The *ONLY WAY* to buy one of the *WONKA COINS* on the secondary market (eBay & coin shops) is to purchase the COA & the coin together. It wouldn't be a bad idea to ask for the shipping label which contains 4 different verifying codes, 5 if you count the name and address of the intended purchaser. A simple cut of the cardboard and you have the shipping label. However, something this valuable, I would demand the entire shipping box, before investing $700+. The reason why those shipping labels are so very important, is that could be another way of verifying the Peace Dollar's authenticity, which the U.S. Mint could possibly validate, if they followed each coin right up to the point of shipping.
I like the idea of creating a super short minted variety to be randomly inserted into production. Adds to the thrill of ordering this stuff. The only thing I would like is if they actually did something different with the coins instead of throwing a card (which don't get me wrong, is still cool). It would have been nice if they did a DMPL version (like some of the original Morgans), a special privy mark, edge lettering, doubling, an overdate, or something that would truly make it a unique coin. Thanks again for making great coin content!
Unfortunately the mint fumbled the bag by not making these coins distinguishable from the other 274,800 Peace dollars minted. Maybe a missing reed or some other way would have been brilliant. But to their credit they are trying...maybe they'll come out with another Cheerios dollar pattern in some Lucky Charms next time.
The mint could have simply used different collars for the limited edition to impart a lettered edge, stars, or some distinct design, then switched out to regular reeded collars for remainder of the production run.
Maybe someone that received the special edition will check out there coin to see if there is a difference. Would have been cool to receive a special edition, but did not. Still satisfied.
Thanks Daniel! Got my 2023 Peace and Morgan last Friday. Didn't get the Director's strike. But that's ok. I still like the coins. And I couldn't agree more that the Peace Dollar in this modern representation is a better looking coin than the Morgan. Don't get me wrong. I like the old original Morgans. But for these commemoratives, I really prefer the Peace dollar strikes!!! Cheers!
The finish of the 2021 and 2023 (unc. version) is just 'wrong' for the Morgan in my opinion. Got my 2023 Peace (x2) today and am delighted with them. The even, creamy, lustre is similar to that seen in images of original 'Satin Proof' 1921 Peace Dollars. It's nice to have fully struck flawless Peace Dollars at an affordable price. I would, however, have preferred the Mint to have used 90% silver for these.
@@-oiiio-3993 Agreed. But maybe only if the US mint decided to pass the material savings on to the consumer, i.e., lower the price to $70 per coin. I know, I'm dreaming... 🙂
I don't know how to email you so I figured I just give you the heads-up. I got some 20:23 Edith quarters with a huge Die error on the noses, they must have had a role because I got four of them, I also got a 2023 dime, it also hasn't been circulated yet, fresh out of the roll, that has a die cud on the eyebrow. Who knows, maybe you'll make your next short about this😁
People post these minor die chips in our coin community everyday. They’re too common and minor to be of note. I recommend using error-ref.com and look up cud and die chips. Also I only help in my community, not by email.
A box being tampered with, and a box that has actually been opened, are two separate issues. A box that has been opened is easy to spot right away. Not only is the packing tape one measure to insure that the package & contents arrive safely, but the box itself has a permanent type glue, that prohibits anyone from opening it, without totally destroying the box itself. If this were the case, it would be very obvious from first ,*Naked Eye Inspection*. A second security feature is the way the box is folded in the *final stage of preparing to ship*. Its design is one that is fairly easy to assemble, but once folded, sealed, and shut, it is all but impossible to reopen without ripping a good portion of the cardboard that it is constructed of. Now a box that has been tapered with is much more difficult to declare that it has been tampered with. The USPS is a system of conveyors, and sorting machines, which means that all packages are not physically handled very much at all. Damage to certain parcels, and packages occurs from passing through these machines, and the end result means there is no way anyone can tell if any damage to any parcel was deliberate, due to pilfering by a postal employer, or was a result of damage from their machinery. It is hard to believe that anyone would risk losing a $60,000 a year job, and going to prison, over a net gain of less than a $100 item. Im not saying theft by a postal employee doesn't occasionally happen from time to time, but a person would have to be really stupid to take such risks. Also, there are security cameras mounted throughout the postal premises, and any package would have to be literally removed from the premises, and any tomfoolery would have to take place away from the cameras, then returned to the system, without someone detecting it. In most cases, damage to any given package was caused by the machinery that they employ, as opposed to felony intentions.
I just took a look at the 2021 Morgan & Peace prices to see how they did and I found out my MS70 2021 D Morgan is worth like $700. 😱 What happened to cause that?
Director strike is printed on the COA, not on the box. The sign COA are black. The signature and the number is on the back of the COA. The congratulations card is slid into the sleeve on the outside of the box. There has been several posted some sold on eBay NGC will not be denoting the coins PCGS will require a mint sealed shipping box with your hopes of having one of these coins in the Box no way of knowing until they are opened by PCGS.
@@CoinHELPuwith all due respect; what you are looking at in that pic is the coin in the tray, the congratulations card that was slipped between the box/outer sleeve and the front of the director's strike COA, not the front of the box. The signed COAs are black, not off-white like the regular ones. If you notice in that pic, that's too small in relation to the tray to be the box lid. In addition Ive seen several of these on different forums, etc and it's always the congrats card, black signed COA and regular box. COA is signed/numbered on the back
This is a non-event "paper"...I won't even call it a "rarity (that cheapens the designation)...it's a packaging gimmick based on the packaging/card saying it's from the Director of the Mint. No difference than a certified coin with an official's signature or likeness on the slab label. IF there was a slight difference in the coin strike, finish, mark or something, THEN we can talk. Packaging gimmicks are for the PT Barnum crowd quickly seperated from their hard eared money.
What did he do, just push the button on the machine? I don't think I like when they do stuff like this, espeically with the way they know how collectors act about stuff. We're going to have fake "Directors letters" out there and people will be doing videos zooming in on the paper with microscopes showing you how to tell if yours is real or fake. That crap is for the birds.
Did she really push the button every two hundredth coin? who cares... same coin, and if you want it certified, it has to be sent in to the grading company in the unopened shipment from the mint, so you can't even open it and inspect it to see if the coin is worth grading and it will cost you an extra 20 bucks to have the certificate slabbed. what a crock. lol
Daniel when I did a video on mine for youtube I noticed the reverse of my 2023 Morgans having some frosty depth on the Eagle and wreath....I dont remember seeing that on the flat looking 2021 Morgans.... If you have a 2021 in the shop do the side by side comparison and let me know what you think?
A privy mark on the coin is the only way to ensure you have a coin. I’m sure the documentation won’t ever be counterfeited. It seems a little arrogant to me that this lady feels she should do something special for the first time in 230 years. Focus on the quality of the coins. Milk spots and other issues are still being reported. Ok, I didn’t get one so I’m bitter. Lol.
Did she actually strike them herself?If so that's the only difference.Just another convoluted way for the mint to make money.I know there's no price difference this year but it's making people by more of their products this year and all the following years until the buyers get fed up with their antics.
@@CoinHELPu I wrote that in my comment about being the same price.I went on to say they will make their money in the following years due to the fact that there will be more interest in the product until they wise up to the mints ways.
I don't like any of the 2023 coins. I stop collecting last year for the mint not producing something really outstanding. I think they need new people at the mint to come up with some fresh ideals.
PCGS has a crazy requirement to get the Director's Strike and COA into holders. They want the unopened shipping box for grading. So if you're planning to have all your peace dollars graded then you may luck out.
another of the us mint gimmicks. I thought Ryder left? different folks but the same strokes I don't think there is any coin difference. it is just a different box and Coa. unless it states it has a different strike {so what the hell is a director's strike anyway} or finish, it is a just another modern issue with no real future appreciation.
The mint could have simply used different collars for the limited edition to impart a lettered edge, stars, or some distinct design, then switched out to regular reeded collars for remainder of the production run.
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The Director knows exactly what collectors thrive upon, and at the same time to generate interest in the hobby for new upcoming collectors. Personally, I hope to see the day when the Mint considers commemorative California Gold Rush territorial gold coins, such as the San Francisco Assayer's Office $50.00 slug, same weight and fineness. After all, the Assayer's Office was just a micro version of what eventually became the U.S. San Francisco branch of the U.S. Mint. In other words, this type of coin reaffirms the place in history of the Assayer's Office and its importance in U.S. history, including the Civil War.
not related to this video, but i wanted to tell you about my research in soaking pennies in olive oil to clean them= i have been experimenting for 11 years= what i found=
to keep them from changing color,tone you must;
use only PURE extra virgin olive oil= you must read the ingrediants
only soak them in glass containers, preferably a white bowl
and finally, when the oil starts to turn darker green- you must change the oil- this will happen in 3 days to a few months, depending how dirty the pennies were.
i soaked an indian head 1868 cent for TEN YEARS = it was unreadable when i got it and it is still dark, but i can read everything perfectly= have fun, anyone who wants to try this
@@mikeswiental4815 Thanks for the info! Never heard of this method, but may try it one day!👍
I would really like these so I can use them to compare against the older ones
I've always preferred the Peace Dollar design to the Morgan. I dig the whole "art deco" vibe, and the historical significance of the symbolism (the Roman-style "v" for "victory" in "TRVST", the resting eagle) commemorating the world at peace after WWI. I wish I had known about the "Director's Strike" issue! I didn't order these because I'm gonna be spending my money on proofs and especially the reverse proof sets, but if I had known these were out there (I'm assuming they did 200 Director's Morgans too) I may have tried a little harder to find the dough. That said, it seems like this new mint director gets it. It's a great idea, and these things will probably be worth their weight in gold. 👍
Just the Peace in that.
Nice surprise! I really am thankful they did something like this, it makes the hobby even better. Thank you, Daniel.
The peace dollar is one of my favorites. Thanks for another great video.
Your video's are very informative therefore I have a question about milk spots......I just received 2 American Liberty 2022 Metals. Both have what appears to be tiny circle milk spots that you can only see with a loupe. My question , will the milk spots grow ? I'm not sure if I want to send them back . Thanks !
Can you please answer my question ?
Just like the Congratulations set... It's the packaging that is rare, not the coin itself.
It's right up there with colorized coins.
Good luck. I like the Peace Dollar. Thank you for the daily content 😊
They should have had something like a privy mark. Something that made it different and noticable. 👍
A special collar could have been used, then changed out after the 200th strike.
You have the right idea. I’d like to know what exactly constitutes these being Directors strikes. Don’t they just push a button these days? What they should have done is punch the directors initials in to the die just the way mintmarks use to be done. This is something she and the mint could have done easily!
These phony rarity Mint gimmicks reflect today's overall shallow, gullible culture and willingness to swallow the bait hook,line, and sinker. These are not legal tender but commemorative OF previous legal tender. Right along with phoney: celebrities, politicians, entertainers, banks, money, musicians and singers, food...the vapid, tedious, vulgar, boring, unreal and absurd. It undermines the credibility of numismatics, insults the intelligence of collectors, reinforces an unholy alliance between the political mint and "capitalistic" and out of bounds certification entities in bed for the mighty (though worthless) dollar.
Well China can make those boxes by next week lol
China built a whole hospital in 24hrs for covid patients! If you haven't seen the video? You should watch the time-lapse. I'm pretty sure they can have these boxes, coins, and coa pumping in about 5hrs!
What do you mean? China DID make the boxes! (jk)
Oh yeah 😂
I was waiting for this; thanks!
As an ancient Roman coin collector I can tell you guys the “V” in trust is there because they were using the old Roman way of writing.
There was no letter U in Classical Latin.
For example Emperor Augustus wrote his name: “AVGVSTVS”
If I were an ancient Roman I would be _Flatvs Gassivs._
I know a guy who received one. PCGS told him that only unopened boxes would be verifiable. The lack of any identifier makes them too easy to fake and I'm glad I didn't receive one!
Good looking coin. I have some coming in San Francisco mint. And 2 reverse Proof sets coming.
I just realized that you posted this a year ago. But, I looked at eBay immediately and found a bunch for sale, some included the "box" and COA. Prices range from $65 to $129 graded MS70. Have you done an update on this "Director's Cut"? So is the box the only difference?
Cheers, Bob
No I haven't but that would be suspicious if you're seeing a bunch of these, this is the one with the Mint Directors card, not just any 2023 Peace. Here's the director strikes www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2510209.m570.l1311&_nkw=2023+peace+dollar+directors+strike&_sacat=0
You could put a small hole in the shipping box and take it to your local auto shop and ask them to use their bore scope and take a look inside for the card
"looks as if your Peace Dollar has a blown head gasket, we can fix that..."
I get calling it a commemorative, but it is legal tender, a real silver dollar, and it's a Morgan. It's not the same as the old Morgans, but a Morgan nonetheless. I love the Peace dollars. It's so nice to have a wonderfully struck example of them. I'm just smitten with Peace Dollars, old or new. My favorite coin.
Commemorative dollars are legal tender as well and they're 90% silver, just a different design, and these are considered commemorative coins and no regular issues.
I disagree.
Not a Morgan dollar! It's a Morgan comem!
@@jimgoodreau1245 it has a dollar denomination and is a Morgan. So not just a comm.
I am gonna need one of the director’s strike peace dollars. There is no coin I love more than Peace Dolllars. When I could barely walk, about 58 years ago, my grandfather gave me the first coin that was mine. It was a 1923 Peace dollar. I fell in love with it immediately because lady Liberty on the peace dollar looks uncannily like my Mom, plus my grandfather gave it to me.
Wow !! Instant Classic !!!...
Thank you Daniel!
Peace is my favorite too, Daniel. Thanks for the vid! Edited to add: I think it would be great if they would designate each coin with what number it is on the COA, special strike or not. If they mint 200,000 of some coin, the COA could indicate that this particular coin you received was #140,050 out of the 200k - but yeah, the coin itself would need to have some indicator as well.
My Peace and Morgan dollars arrived yesterday and both boxes were tampered with with by someone in transit: Both seals were broken but I didn't realize it until I was inside the house the letter carrier had driven off. Thankfully both coins were still in the box and seemed un-tampered and undamaged. I figured an "inside job." Folks inside the USPS are aware of the boxes and know what to look for but apparently ran out of time in my case before they could filch the contents. The labels read: "STOP. If seal is broken or package damaged check contents before signing receipt." I was never asked to sign any receipt so I consider myself very lucky that I didn't open two packages of "air." Check your deliveries carefully!
Had to check for explosives?
I didn't think much of it but now that you mention it my seal was broken also
@@wadesoders255 Was the glue intact?
First glance thought mine was opened also but was actually taped only on the sides and back making it appear open on the top sides, As they usually tape the front also. . This could be what your seeing..
@@Silversphincter Mine we’re forced-or cut-open.
I say this all in good fun but I'm a quite appalled at that finish. It looks to me as if like they were sprayed with silver spray paint, or painted with silver nail polish or something. I'm amazed nobody else seems to care about the utter lack of cartwheel shine or any kind of shine for that matter. It's like they poured pewter into molds to make these.
A small step in the right direction, for the US mint 👏🏾...
now how about that 5oz $20 copper coin?🤷🏽♂️🤔
Beautiful! A silver "needle" in the haystack.
The US gov is doing what the comic book industry did in the 90s gimmicking itself into oblivion
No. As long as dealers and collectors can make a buck off it, they'll buy. Soon enough they'll be issuing 1/1 coins.
It’s not a gimmick into oblivion. It’s the first gimmick they’ve ever done.
You're right, but this is even worse than the comic book industry because they at least made more than 200 of them. This will be pretty easy to fake. Also, this is not the first gimmick they ever did there @blake7587 as they gave out "W" mint mark pennies in mint sets in 2019. That's the better way to do something like this where the coin is the rare item and not the packaging, although some people on eBay still want to act like the packaging for the W pennies is a big deal. I put the coins in an album and put the envelopes in a box.
The Director's Strike mintage of 200 represents les than .073% of the 275,000 mintage.
Did they sign the normal Morgan’s too?
@@blake7587 No.
Received my (2) 2023 Peace Dollars today and am absolutely delighted with them!
I was concerned the finish may be overly frosted or 'grainy' as on the 1996 Old Mint commem and several USMint products since, but was delighted to receive coins with smooth, even, creamy lustre very similar to that seen on images of 1921 'Satin Proof' Peace Dollars only much better struck and absent of any flaws whatever.
Aside from my uncirculated 1921, these are now my favorite Peace Dollars among those that I own though I am also _very_ fond of the privately minted Daniel Carr High Relief 'Broken Sword' overstrikes.
I do not regret 'passing' on the '23 Morgans as the finish differs too much from any original Morgan (though somewhat like a 'Zerbe'). I prefer the original Morgan's flat fields and 'cartwheel' lustre to the 2023 issues and also have several lovely 'Prooflike' and 'DMPL' examples.
In short, I think 'original' 1878-1904 Morgans look far better than those of 1921 or any re issue I have yet seen, but find these new Peace Dollars to be improvements over the originals.
I expect the Proof and Reverse Proof '23 Peace to be exceptionally beautiful or, perhaps, 'over the top' corny.
Will see when they arrive as I have two of each on subscription.
Suggestion to the Mint for future 'Limited Strike' coins: a different collar could be used for the limited run with lettering, stars, 'interrupted reeding' or some other defining feature, then replace with usual reeded collar for remainder of production run.
By the way, it's Tuesday evening (07/18) and the proof 2023 Morgan and Peace _subscriptions_ are still available on the USMint (.gov) 'site. Reverse proofs show "unavailable".
Thanks Daniel for sharing this. I would imagine the reeded edge wouldnt have been altered?
I don't buy boxes! If the coin's are not different, what's the point?
It comes with a box when you buy it.
Hi Daniel. I just checked my peace dollar I received last week. Yep. I received 127 of 200 directors strike. It is perfect. Not sure if it is a real big deal or not.
Congratulations
The 2023 Peace Dollar is a Beautiful Coin. I like it better than the Morgan. Nice video Daniel. Keep the videos coming. Take care.
I agree. The COA and box are nice but if the container is opened there is no way to PROVE THAT coin is the one. Maybe a privy mark of some kind would help - even if it were a difference on the reeding.
Agreed. The mint could have simply used different collars for the limited edition, then switched out to regular reeded collars for remainder of the production run.
I hope the Mint does more stuff like this!
Nice video Daniel
Thats cool. I have two in the mail out of Memphis. Maybe I'll get lucky!
Thanks for the Shout out. I will be opening my box and not sending off for grading in the sealed box due to the low odds. But it will be cool, if I have one. That a huge "IF" However if people are sending off to be graded in the sealed box I would ask for the OGP back.
You did a good video.
The US Mint should have produced 200 high relief 2023 peace dollars to send to customers instead of including the 200 directors strike certificates, at least that way the coin would be more valuable instead of just including a special certificate with the same coin everyone else is getting.
We’ve now concluded that the box is unchanged and the black “Director’s Strike” item is actually a special black COA with a number (e.g. 61 of 200) and the director’s hand sig.
Great video, new subscriber today.😀 So far it seems like there has only been one of these that has surfaced? Maybe 2...not sure. I purchased 5 Morgans and 4 Peace dollars in 3 different orders. I opened the 5 Morgans (overall happy with them) and I had a subscription for 3 Peace dollars, they are also opened and incredible! However I ordered one more single Peace on the 13th, and I have not opened that box yet. Thinking of sending that one in for grading, since I have not heard of anymore found. I prefer raw coins but I have been a member of PCGS for 3 years now. Any thoughts by anyone on this?😊 I membered up when they started the coin hunt for the West Point quarters, but have yet to ever send anything in lol. Oh well, I like the books haha
I may just not know how the coins are minted but isn't the process mostly automated? So was the director just standing next to the machine when these were made? I know she wasn't out there with a big hammer forging them from raw ore 😄
*She But probably true nonetheless lol
@@SilverWolverine95 thanks! got it fixed
In my book this is just a gimmick. They should have had a 'DIR.' punch similar to the 'CAL.' punch in the 1848 $2.50 quarter eagle.
@@dmpi483 The mint could have simply used different collars for the limited edition to impart a lettered edge, stars, or some distinct design, then switched out to regular reeded collars for remainder of the production run.
I got screwed on the original issue a year or two ago, twice I was completing an order online and got disconnected, next try said they were sold out. I'm sure dealers had no problem getting them. Mint should have either made more or made it a lottery. Also should have limited it to one apiece.
The problem people may have sending in for grading is that they will lose the box. Grading company won't return the box or packaging material.
Ya. What you need to do is when you get your box from the United States mint fill out the PCGS form don't take your coin out-of-the-box send the entire tape the box to PCGS not only that but you need to write on the form that you want to see OD if it has a signature on it encapsulated that's the only way it'll be a true PCGS graded coin with the encapsulation grated also
So what is different? Just that it comes with a congratulations card? Is the coin any different or no?
The box is different too
Awesome video. Thanks
It truly like Wonkas Golden Ticket, without the cavities.
One way to put it lol
Thanks Sir
Wonder how much PCGS/NGC paid the mint to put these certificates in. 😂
Exactly!
What is to prevent someone from sending this special Peace coin out for grading having the box and coa returned to them and keeping ithe slabbed coin then change out the coin and sell it at a premium on ebay with the box and COA . I would only buy a slabbed coin with the box and coa
You’re only buying the box and COA, coin doesn’t matter either way. I doubt PCGS will grade the coin from and unsealed box, but they might grade the COA and put the same number on both slabs to prevent that.
The *ONLY WAY* to buy one of the *WONKA COINS* on the secondary market (eBay & coin shops) is to purchase the COA & the coin together. It wouldn't be a bad idea to ask for the shipping label which contains 4 different verifying codes, 5 if you count the name and address of the intended purchaser. A simple cut of the cardboard and you have the shipping label. However, something this valuable, I would demand the entire shipping box, before investing $700+. The reason why those shipping labels are so very important, is that could be another way of verifying the Peace Dollar's authenticity, which the U.S. Mint could possibly validate, if they followed each coin right up to the point of shipping.
Current bid on eBay $1300
I like the idea of creating a super short minted variety to be randomly inserted into production. Adds to the thrill of ordering this stuff. The only thing I would like is if they actually did something different with the coins instead of throwing a card (which don't get me wrong, is still cool). It would have been nice if they did a DMPL version (like some of the original Morgans), a special privy mark, edge lettering, doubling, an overdate, or something that would truly make it a unique coin. Thanks again for making great coin content!
I agree.
Awesome 👍👍❤️
THANKS FOR THE VIDEO
i have coin 197 of 200
Unfortunately the mint fumbled the bag by not making these coins distinguishable from the other 274,800 Peace dollars minted. Maybe a missing reed or some other way would have been brilliant. But to their credit they are trying...maybe they'll come out with another Cheerios dollar pattern in some Lucky Charms next time.
I agree.
I think it would have been better if they had made those 200 with a W mint mark like they did the 2020 quarters :D
The mint could have simply used different collars for the limited edition to impart a lettered edge, stars, or some distinct design, then switched out to regular reeded collars for remainder of the production run.
Would you recommend having these coins holdered by either NGC or PCGS?
BIG silver coins, You gotta love them 👍😀
Great video
That's interesting
The 1923 peace dollar coins valuable?
Maybe someone that received the special edition will check out there coin to see if there is a difference. Would have been cool to receive a special edition, but did not. Still satisfied.
Thanks Daniel! Got my 2023 Peace and Morgan last Friday. Didn't get the Director's strike. But that's ok. I still like the coins. And I couldn't agree more that the Peace Dollar in this modern representation is a better looking coin than the Morgan. Don't get me wrong. I like the old original Morgans. But for these commemoratives, I really prefer the Peace dollar strikes!!! Cheers!
The finish of the 2021 and 2023 (unc. version) is just 'wrong' for the Morgan in my opinion.
Got my 2023 Peace (x2) today and am delighted with them. The even, creamy, lustre is similar to that seen in images of original 'Satin Proof' 1921 Peace Dollars. It's nice to have fully struck flawless Peace Dollars at an affordable price.
I would, however, have preferred the Mint to have used 90% silver for these.
@@-oiiio-3993 Agreed. But maybe only if the US mint decided to pass the material savings on to the consumer, i.e., lower the price to $70 per coin. I know, I'm dreaming... 🙂
Would PCGS or NGC consider the box 'unopened' if someone were to cut a small hole in the outer box to look inside?
Call and ask them. Lol
I prefer the 2022 MSD with FIJI mark the best
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Nice
I don't know how to email you so I figured I just give you the heads-up. I got some 20:23 Edith quarters with a huge Die error on the noses, they must have had a role because I got four of them, I also got a 2023 dime, it also hasn't been circulated yet, fresh out of the roll, that has a die cud on the eyebrow. Who knows, maybe you'll make your next short about this😁
People post these minor die chips in our coin community everyday. They’re too common and minor to be of note. I recommend using error-ref.com and look up cud and die chips. Also I only help in my community, not by email.
They are pretty nice. Pretty cool the lucky 200 people. Not me, but cool.
A box being tampered with, and a box that has actually been opened, are two separate issues. A box that has been opened is easy to spot right away. Not only is the packing tape one measure to insure that the package & contents arrive safely, but the box itself has a permanent type glue, that prohibits anyone from opening it, without totally destroying the box itself. If this were the case, it would be very obvious from first ,*Naked Eye Inspection*. A second security feature is the way the box is folded in the *final stage of preparing to ship*. Its design is one that is fairly easy to assemble, but once folded, sealed, and shut, it is all but impossible to reopen without ripping a good portion of the cardboard that it is constructed of. Now a box that has been tapered with is much more difficult to declare that it has been tampered with. The USPS is a system of conveyors, and sorting machines, which means that all packages are not physically handled very much at all. Damage to certain parcels, and packages occurs from passing through these machines, and the end result means there is no way anyone can tell if any damage to any parcel was deliberate, due to pilfering by a postal employer, or was a result of damage from their machinery. It is hard to believe that anyone would risk losing a $60,000 a year job, and going to prison, over a net gain of less than a $100 item. Im not saying theft by a postal employee doesn't occasionally happen from time to time, but a person would have to be really stupid to take such risks. Also, there are security cameras mounted throughout the postal premises, and any package would have to be literally removed from the premises, and any tomfoolery would have to take place away from the cameras, then returned to the system, without someone detecting it. In most cases, damage to any given package was caused by the machinery that they employ, as opposed to felony intentions.
I just took a look at the 2021 Morgan & Peace prices to see how they did and I found out my MS70 2021 D Morgan is worth like $700. 😱
What happened to cause that?
Quality control issues at the Denver mint. Low population of MS70 examples.
Just got one of the director strike coins in my order of 5 - nice!
Director strike is printed on the COA, not on the box. The sign COA are black. The signature and the number is on the back of the COA. The congratulations card is slid into the sleeve on the outside of the box. There has been several posted some sold on eBay NGC will not be denoting the coins PCGS will require a mint sealed shipping box with your hopes of having one of these coins in the Box no way of knowing until they are opened by PCGS.
The box is different though.
@@CoinHELPuwith all due respect; what you are looking at in that pic is the coin in the tray, the congratulations card that was slipped between the box/outer sleeve and the front of the director's strike COA, not the front of the box. The signed COAs are black, not off-white like the regular ones. If you notice in that pic, that's too small in relation to the tray to be the box lid. In addition Ive seen several of these on different forums, etc and it's always the congrats card, black signed COA and regular box. COA is signed/numbered on the back
This is a non-event "paper"...I won't even call it a "rarity (that cheapens the designation)...it's a packaging gimmick based on the packaging/card saying it's from the Director of the Mint. No difference than a certified coin with an official's signature or likeness on the slab label. IF there was a slight difference in the coin strike, finish, mark or something, THEN we can talk. Packaging gimmicks are for the PT Barnum crowd quickly seperated from their hard eared money.
So far I have not seen any pop up other than the one on reddit
One viewer found one and sent me an email.
@@CoinHELPu hopefully they will upload a video of it curious to see what they actually look like
It looks like it wouldn't be too hard to fake those inserts. Unless there's something different about the coin itself.
What did he do, just push the button on the machine? I don't think I like when they do stuff like this, espeically with the way they know how collectors act about stuff. We're going to have fake "Directors letters" out there and people will be doing videos zooming in on the paper with microscopes showing you how to tell if yours is real or fake. That crap is for the birds.
Sorry. You are mistaken when you call them commeratives. They are not. They are struck as legal tender.
Did she really push the button every two hundredth coin? who cares... same coin, and if you want it certified, it has to be sent in to the grading company in the unopened shipment from the mint, so you can't even open it and inspect it to see if the coin is worth grading and it will cost you an extra 20 bucks to have the certificate slabbed. what a crock. lol
Just one more reason to not be suckered by the mint ,a botifici rarity
Also a tool used by PCGS/NGC to get suckered tk send in their sealed coins.
Great for the mint creating excitement for their products. As a lifelong numismatist this means nothing to me but a gimmick
I hate trend where labels drive value instead of the coin. To me that's totally artificial and somewhat destructive to the hobby.
I have 1923 peace dollar looks like that'd
Daniel when I did a video on mine for youtube I noticed the reverse of my 2023 Morgans having some frosty depth on the Eagle and wreath....I dont remember seeing that on the flat looking 2021 Morgans.... If you have a 2021 in the shop do the side by side comparison and let me know what you think?
They look the same to me but the 2021 D had more contrast on some of them.
Buy now and avoid future regret.
A privy mark on the coin is the only way to ensure you have a coin. I’m sure the documentation won’t ever be counterfeited. It seems a little arrogant to me that this lady feels she should do something special for the first time in 230 years. Focus on the quality of the coins. Milk spots and other issues are still being reported. Ok, I didn’t get one so I’m bitter. Lol.
I got one.
Did she actually strike them herself?If so that's the only difference.Just another convoluted way for the mint to make money.I know there's no price difference this year but it's making people by more of their products this year and all the following years until the buyers get fed up with their antics.
The mint charges the same for these, so it's not so they can make more money.
@@CoinHELPu I wrote that in my comment about being the same price.I went on to say they will make their money in the following years due to the fact that there will be more interest in the product until they wise up to the mints ways.
That’s not a bad thing, they’re too high but the US Mint is important for this hobby.
It means nothing if the coin is the same.
I disagree the box and COA will sell for more than these coins.
I don't like any of the 2023 coins. I stop collecting last year for the mint not producing something really outstanding. I think they need new people at the mint to come up with some fresh ideals.
Great gimmick
It seems like the lip there is a blemish.
I found one.
Worth the same amount
No, it will be worth.
PCGS has a crazy requirement to get the Director's Strike and COA into holders. They want the unopened shipping box for grading. So if you're planning to have all your peace dollars graded then you may luck out.
Not me.
They sighed the card
another of the us mint gimmicks. I thought Ryder left? different folks but the same strokes I don't think there is any coin difference. it is just a different box and Coa. unless it states it has a different strike {so what the hell is a director's strike anyway} or finish, it is a just another modern issue with no real future appreciation.
The history of an authentic COA will have future appreciation.
The mint could have simply used different collars for the limited edition to impart a lettered edge, stars, or some distinct design, then switched out to regular reeded collars for remainder of the production run.