@@f4rnsworth138 I was hoping to stumble across a Watchtower that would bring me back but the literature is so dumbed down now (they are looking for the rightly disposed). After G Jackson's ARC testimony it was clear to me they are frauds. In public they say they are "not" the only path to salvation but in print it is "listen to us or die".
Well let’s see you can see that this worlds in a mess China Russia and nato we still have the book of Daniel revelation who wrote them Daniel and John ? There comeing true keep on the watch ?
@@michaelhaigh9182 Trouble is the book of Daniel was written about 400 plus years after Daniels demise, so its easy to predict after the events have occurred!
It's the JW cope. My father always says the same thing. Or when countering the arguments of "complainers" he says "Well, they themselves have nothing to offer!". As logically sound as saying that you can't criticize my fallacy-full, demonstrable incorrect religion but since you don't have anything 'better' [by my standard check-list!] then your points are invalid!". JWs truly are content with sticking to the most infantile rationalisation.
"Who said we have to go anywhere"? I used these exact same words when being confronted by a heavily indoctrinated pimi sibling. Any discussion with someone so hard core is non productive, so I've taken Lloyd's approach of not even trying to reach them. As he says, it's their own journey. If they ever get sincerely curious as to my thoughts/reasons for leaving I have 'plenty' to give them.
Yup exactly the point! For a lot of people all what leaving the witnesses would do is create this hole or vacuum for something else to come occupy. The possibility of not being anyone’s slave is non comprehensible to them. “ where else shall we go” really reveals what the real issue is and it’s not even really the witnesses it’s the person and their need to be in such a slave like mindset. It’s like they have no sense of self at all
It's such a simply, and infantile coping mechanism. " Oh, you brought up contradictions, hypocrisy and lies in my religion? Well, I have my own check-list here given by the same religion as to what constitutes a true religion, and you're not offering that religion to me as a better alternative. So, sorry punk, looks like I win this argument 😎"
Try it , they can't be argued with because they won't argue with unbelievers and refer you to the elders. You are not correct saying Lloyd can't convince his Father.
LIVES, EXISTENCE, and FREEDOMS of HATEFUL, CRUEL, and ARROGANT HUMAN BEINGS ON PLANET EARTH - All the hateful, cruel, and arrogant atheists, agnostics, JWs, Born Agains, Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics, SDAs, Hindus, Mormons, Baptists, all fanatics of all Religions in the world are free to boast and claim that - 1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God 2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth 3. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead are worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence 4. all human beings including their own families and neighbors are worthless, useless, and undeserving to be treated with kindness and respect The CREATOR is also free to reward and honor all loving, kind, and respectful human beings with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, peaceful, and secure planet earth without hateful, cruel, and arrogant atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, criminals, terrorists, and murderers. JESUS CHRIST is also free to resurrect back to life all loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, his disciples, and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
After my parents who were JWs all their lives passed away my elder brother and pioneer missionary sister stopped talking to me because i choose not to believe that bs
The CREATOR KNOWS that he is the Most High and Sovereign God JESUS CHRIST KNOWS that the Creator gave him all authority in heaven and on earth and sent from heaven to planet earth thousands of years ago to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings on earth. WHO ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE CREATOR AND JESUS CHRIST ON PLANET EARTH? - HATEFUL, CRUEL, and ARROGANT Atheists, Agnostics, JWs, Born Agains, Mormons, Buddhists, Muslims, Catholics, Hindus, Baptists, SDAs, Pentecostals, etc. who worship the hateful, cruel, merciless, and arrogant Satan the Devil and preach the LIES and false teachings of his anti-Christs about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "eincarnation" KNOW that they are boasting and claiming that - 1. the Creator is useless, worthless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God 2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth 3. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are worthless and useless, without any value at all 4. all human beings including their own families and neighbors are worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected. WHAT IS THE WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the AUTHORITY and TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST? JESUS CHRIST KNOWS that LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will be favored, rewarded and honored by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without hateful, cruel, arrogant, and merciless atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of Religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, criminals, terrorists, and murderers. THE CREATOR KNOWS that the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings will not remain as worthless and useless dusts forever after their deaths, instead, in his own right time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life together with other LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler, his Christ.
Sure, good question (John 6:68). And the answer is in in the next verse..."We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”... doesn't say a single thing about Governing Body or some organisation. So, they can go straight to Jesus! Its that simple!
As the Buddha said to his Sangha before his death, "Each of you be a light unto yourself, betake yourself to no external refuge. Hold fast to the truth. Look not for refuge to anyone beside yourself". Words from a man who never claimed to be a god or who was inspired by any supernatural deity and words spoken well before the `arrival`of Jesus. I am not a Buddhist but the wisdom handed down from this man do resonate with me.
I learned something a while ago that states, "You don't know how free you are until you become unstuck". I agree with this statement so much as it is applicable to being ut of a cult.
It's perfectly reasonable that Marcus would want his loved ones to wake up entirely, but, he may just have to settle for not looking a gift horse in the mouth. He's already way ahead of the game by having faded and having ANY relationship at all. With the family background, they are likely knee deep in sunk cost fallacy.
My father says the same excuse.I learnt true spirituality doesn’t depend on a religious organisation, make the truth your own. Jesus had sayings for everlasting life , the JWs don’t, their predictions never come true Deut 18:20-22 Putting yourself on Jesus level is hubris and blasphemy JWs can’t explain why God recognises those in Rom 2:14 - they meet his criteria for salvation, also the great crowd no Jehovah’s Witness can number
Like Lloyd, I too have always had an issue with this pithy question. It carries no weight or importance apart from that which the Organisation places on it. How will you know where else you can go if you don't go... or at least look? As other comments have stated, you are where you are because you went there... nobody else did it. You did! You allowed yourself to get where you are... and you can allow yourself to look for other destinations. Don't let others tell you where you should be! Why not, at least, try another route? "A journey of a thousand miles starts with just one step."
I literally cant stand pretending to like family worship anymore...my mental health is not gonna stand strong any longer before im ready to tell my parents i dont in this fuckery anymore
Llody gave, as usual, great points on the issue the caller raised. But for me, the best one made Marcus himself, by saying „it‘s not about ‚to whom should we go‘ but about the ‚freedom of thought and the freedom of reasoning‘“. That’s for me THE point. If I discover, that my religion is not true, I am not staying just because they claim something that ist nice to believe, or it appears as the best (promised) option so far… If something is wrong, I do not stick to it, only because there is allegedly currently no better option…
My mother says, "I won't let humans stand between me and God," after acknowledging that many of the teachings of the Society are not scriptural, and they conceal serious sin.
This is one of the most misunderstood verses for JWs, really hard to understand for someone who connects God and organization so much. Off topic of the video but you really do look great in a t-shirt that matches your beautiful eye color Lloyd 😊
I heard "there's nowhere else to go" and "you have millions of enemies trying to get you" to which I replied "what's that supposed to mean is that some kind of threat?"
I agree Lloyd. When I left I told everyone I no longer believed in God and wouldn't try to change their minds. It's their journey not mine, and I can't take it for them. I'll discuss my atheism with them if they want but I don't attack their beliefs. I'm content to leave religion out of it
Lloyd after listening to your answer to the caller, I was like OMG! I had not thought to sum it up that way, but it’s that simple… thank you…Happy New Year….❤
As I have watched all of your voicemail responses, I have to say your advice is better (I think) than what most therapists could give. Have you considered officially becoming one?
In my own experience, I still believe in a higher power and there are some truths I still hold true from the Bible. However, I believe that truth is NOT found in organized religion, period.
It's "to whom do we go to?" Not where would we go to.... He was referring going to Jesus not to WT society 😂 Marcus I live in San Antonio only 1 hr 30 away & my JW sister lives in Austin area 😂
Hey cool , this Is Marcus from the voicemail I actually lived in San Antonio for 10 years ( GO SPURS) before moving to Austin and I'm always looking forward to meeting up with and chatting with fellow EX-JWs. Let me know if I could meet up with you and your sister and I would be glad to give you my email to contact me.
@@Markypoo-poo-8-Beans sure we can meet sometime but unfortunately not with my JW sister, we're not in good terms because she is shunning me bc I no longer want anything to do with the JW religion
Loyd, your appearance looks a million times better than that unkempt look! You have the wisdom, knowledge and ability to impart the real truth to the rest of us who have left this cult. Good work, sir!
Why not quote Geoffrey Jackson, when testifying under path in Australia.. When asked, "Are Jehovah's Witnesses the only true religion in earth?" He replies, "Now that would be presumptuous of me"
I have reworked and used the Jehovah's Witnesses rhetoric against them with the ole 'plant a seed, you never know when tragedy, loss and despair will make them vulnerable enough for us to pounce' thing. I'm in the same position as this caller; I'm not disfellowshipped and not 'sinning' so just classed as faded. Whole family still speak to me, and since they decide to engage ME with their JW crap, I stay quiet and try to agree with them on any positive points they mention. Then, at a different time, I will plant a seed. I will do this without malice, in an almost curious or humerous tone as if I'm assuming they already know exactly what I am talking about (because after all THEY are the JWs, they should be studying all of their latest publications as well as knowing their own religion's history, right?) . Slipping in a mention of a weird paragraph in the latest watchtower here, a dodgy statement from a GB member in the broadband there, a sprinkling of a reference to an old lite belief somewhere else... it's to the point where, my mum has actually gone and re-looked at things because I guess she's embarrassed that I, an ex JW, seem to effortlessly know what's going on in her religion more than she does. It's working. Slowly, very very very slowly. It's been over 4 years now. The guard comes down when they no longer suspect you are an 'angry bitter apostate'! And when you are one of the few REAL people in their lives who they know they can rely on for comfort and honesty, in my experience, the truth slips out of them sometimes. Like my mother admitting she doesn't agree with the way the GB are spending the money on Ramapo, or my aunt venting about bitchy sisters in her Hall who are hypocritical and saying she doesn't care what her elders say, or my dad letting slip that he will never ever agree to being an elder again because he was so disgusted at their behaviour during his short stint as one. I don't expect them to leave or to not believe in a god. But if you just relax and don't keep going hard on them, you are in a unique position to gently and carefully lift them from the Cult mindset IF you think it is harming them.
When I left after a long self blaming journey I did a Christian basic course on zoom and that took a lot of edge off what I had been used to plus reading Jesus sermon on the mount a few times lightened the jw burden for me , I’m not sure if I would go to a religious service/meeting again although I often fancy it I’m worried about getting too involved
Jesus never wrote a single text... gospels were written by 3rd parties 40 to 100 years later... who remembers someone's sayings word 4 word...? And here we are hanging on to every word and comma. The only begotten son gives us a mere 3 years of recorded ministry & not a single word written by his hand.
Christ said those words after he said that we must eat him, the bread, his flesh. The word was very hard to hear so many left. JW are doing the same as they left away from eating the body of Christ but eating the “food” of another “body”!
My advice would be find a community be it at the local pub club or centre .And do your own worship following your own beliefs. Not be force fed it from a religion or cult .
WORTHLESS and USELESS LIVES and EXISTENCE OF HATEFUL, CRUEL, and ARROGANT ENEMIES of the CREATOR and JESUS CHRIST ON PLANET EARTH - Arrogant, cruel, and hateful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, all fanatics of all Religions are nothing but worthless, useless, merciless, and shameless worshippers of Satan the Devil who trick, deceive, and mislead their own families and neighbors to - 1. hate the Creator and degrade him as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God 2. hate Jesus Christ and degrade him as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth 3. reject the teachings of Jesus Christ about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead as worthless and useless, without any value at all. CAUSING THE SUFFERINGS, PAINS, AND DEATHS OF MANKIND - Hateful, cruel, and arrogant Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, all fanatics of all Religions are nothing but worthless, useless, merciless, and shameless worshippers of the arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful Satan the Devil who are mocking and degrading all human beings including their own families and neighbors as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored, favored, and rewarded by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths. WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the LIVES AND EXISTENCE OF LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL HUMAN BEINGS ON PLANET EARTH - JESUS CHRIST KNOWS that LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will be favored, rewarded and honored by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without hateful, cruel, arrogant, and merciless atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of Religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, criminals, terrorists, and murderers. THE CREATOR KNOWS that the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings will not remain as worthless and useless dusts forever after their deaths, instead, in his own right time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life together with other LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler, his Christ.
@@alexshatner3907 You are very angry and really not the loving "Christian"you claim to be. I send you my love and I really hope you one day will wake up and see that salvation is in Christ and not in an Org led by men.
@@alexshatner3907 I'm sorry to say but I'm not an "apostate" , raised in the org but never babtized. I'm just a woman who try to do what I can to spred the truth about the "truth". Have many good friends who are JW and I love them dearly. Most of them know the truth about the org, but are saddly trapped do to the shunning policy. Alex, since you are watching Lloyd and probably other channels here, you must feel a big conflict inside you. I still have days where I can't understand why my beloved religion turned out to be so evil. I hope you have someone you trust to talk to, because I know you have conflicting feelings since you are watching Lloyd. Take care of yourself Alex♥️
(Revelation 18:4,5) "And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. And not a word about where to go!
On the other side of the coin, it’s best to remember that JWs do have excellent ways of justifying their existence as an org and answering the question of “who are doing God’s will today”? Who exactly is Tibor? Is it a family member of Lloyd’s? Or, simply a content administrator/technician?
No better response than what you've given Lloyd. However, Morris has a credential of Jehovah's appointment He turned donations of JWs into Macallan Whisky. 🍾
Four generations. That's a lot of years avoiding outsiders. There are so many other Christan and non Christan religions out there who act a lot calmer than Jehovah's Witness. And require less from their worshipers. I'm going back to work tomorrow that my joke for the day.
Ex-JWs and all atheists and agnostics are not oppose and against the Satanic arrogance, lies, deceits, and foolishness of Religions, instead, they joined Religions in insulting, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings and commandments of the Creator and his Christ. EX-JWS, ATHEISTS, and AGNOSTICS DON'T KNOW AND CAN'T UNDERSTAND - A) THAT fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian religions in the world are - 1. NOT worshippers of the Creator but worshippers of Satan the Devil, the enemy of the Creator 2. NOT believers of the TRUTHS and righteousness of the Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" but believers of the LIES and foolishness of anti-Christs about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity", "reincarnation", and "rapture". B) THAT all HATEFUL, CRUEL, and ARROGANT Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions in the world who worship the worthless and foolish Satan the Devil and believe the Lies and foolishness of the worthless and foolish anti-Christs are nothing but worthless, useless, merciless, and shameless human beings who - 1. can't be trusted with anything 2. are incapable of respecting the lives and dignities of human beings 3. are worthy and deserving of their own disgrace, shame, dishonor, downfall, and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. C) THAT all LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who hate and rejected the LIES, deceptions, and foolishness of Satan the Devil and his anti-Christs will be honored and rewarded by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths on a secure, peaceful, and safe planet earth without hateful, cruel, and arrogant worshippers of the Devil and believers of his anti-Christs, without slanderers, liars, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, criminals, and murderers. D) THAT the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings will not remain as worthless and useless dusts forever after their deaths, instead, in his own right time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life together with other LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler, his Christ.
Personally what I think is you can’t argue against that cuz it’s not about right or wrong when it comes to a certain point. That doesn’t matter a person can do the wrong thing knowing that it is wrong themself and still do it cuz that is who they are as a person. What it eventually comes down to is who you are as a person and what you hold as most important to you. You can’t argue with saying freedom of thought is important to have when they don’t hold value in that that’s doesn’t sound like that’s who they are. It probably means nothing to them if that’s something they have to sacrifice in order to receive salvation and immortality which is what’s most important to them. They seem to have very sheeplike mentality which is what their organization wants and what they want as well. Like they’ll be completely lost without the organization with no where else to go. They can’t seem to survive without out it. So I would say there’s no use in arguing in the first place since they don’t care to have basic common sense anyways. Rather what he could do is simply just express why he sees things the way he does and why he can’t be a witness and hopefully they could have some sense empathy to at the very least understand his situation even if they disagree which is ok cuz we don’t need to change anybody’s mind anyway.
The parents could mean "Where else can we go?" Because, really, think about this, if you are born and raised inside, truly where else whold you be able to go? Another religion? Maybe not, because you might just pick it apart and call it all lies, so that won't really do any good. You feel like you don't belong with the Witnesses, nor the world. It's like you don't really fit in anywhere unfortunately.
I also meant to say my mom used to like to say if you can show me something better, let me know. Kind of ironic, that while her words were sincere, trying other religions or doing research from worldly sources would invariably be at the very least, frowned upon.
So true it was 40 years before I opened a Bible ,matter of fact I didn't even own a Bible and still to this day I m not sure I can believe a book that has been changed by men
11:55 You know if Tony had jesus powers he would be turning tight pants into Macallan Cut. And college scholarships into Macallan 25. He'd be a scotch King Midas.
● john 6:68 disciples were leaving jesus and he asked if they would leave too but they replied. TO WHOM shall we turn to.... it is a belief in the person not an organization. Jw believers will say where will we go but it's to whom. It's about who has the words of life and that's jesus. His words give life john 6:63. John 14:6
I don't think there's much Marcus can do when it comes to his parents choosing to remain JWs. I think that all he can do is try to maintain whatever relationship he still has with them.
Easy... the bible was written 100 years or more after 'Jesus' lived... Peter is probably a fictional character and the discussion probably never happened... or if it did happen Jesus probably answered 'let's go to KFC for some chicken wings and Pepsi'
I think it's possible that the historical Jesus probably did want to control his followers' lives to a degree. He would have been a pretty conservative religious Jew. The JWs also quote that passage from the Bible. Jesus' followers are already indoctrinated in the Biblical stories, and he is portrayed as having performed supernatural feats in front of them, so yeah, why wouldn't they believe he was the Son of God? Jesus' disciples are portrayed as believing that he has the "sayings of everlasting life". The JWs try to make it seem like that passage is referring to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. By Witnesses saying, "Who shall you turn to, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones who can guide you to eternal life"? Well, I don't know that there is an afterlife, so I don't think the Governing Body know how to get there. And I don't think it would really be worth it when one considers some of the things that they require you to do in order to get into the afterlife, even if there really is an afterlife and even if the Governing Body were the only ones who could help you get there. I don't think that the Governing Body have the "sayings of everlasting life". I think your analogy concerning the Witnesses' assumption that the Watchtower Society has the "truth" and that they as followers of the Governing Body "are nothing and have nothing if they are not Jehovah's Witnesses" to that of an abusive relationship is a rather good one, Lloyd. It's another reason why I don't want to be involved with the JWs community, I don't like that message of a person not having any worth unless they continue remaining part of a religious group.
6 After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias. 2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased. 3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples. 4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. 5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat? 6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do. 7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little. 8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him, 9 There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
If you're an ex JW who still believes in God, you can just say you're not going away from Jesus and his teachings. You are only leaving the cult. One can have a close relationship with God and not be a part of any religion.
Why did this voicemail sound so much like a JW dramatization? No offense to the guy. It got me thinking if people that have been in the organization long enough eventually speak with an over emphasis on pausing. I thought it was the upper brass trolling for a second lol.
It could have been jw. But it wasn't because i started with my own religion and i know gor a fact that the gras is not greener or better on the other side. Wel, if you dont follow your own heart,then you listen to others. Morris, lett....
JW achieved what they achieved by their hard humen work.Where is the evidence some god was helping them? Same with any other human.We all have power to make choices, create our lives and circumstances.Where is an evidence some god is helping us?It's all us from what I see for thousands of years.And I see fantastic human beings with fantastic skills and powers to create but we allow some narcissistic disordered humans to tell us otherwise...We have power to create and destroy.Jesus showed exactly how powerful human can be by being one....if only our faith is at least a size of mustard grain...Looks like it's not even that small and that is why we are not as powerful as he was as a human yet...Start beliving he was telling and showing the true about who we really are as humen....Then you have to go nowhere....
In all religions there is good and bad as in the world. All people are imperfect. So, many leave catholic for jw faith. But, why? You need faith. You need hope! You need God. Its very simple. Go to the root. Thats it. In fact, there were good and bad from the start ( Judas). And it will not change. You ARE the church. But, with jw, the bad started with Charles Russel, and tje prediction of Armageddon based on the pyramid. True! Then Rutherford! Lie and deceive. Well he said: advertise, advertise, advertise. And you will stay in this self proclaimed truth. Shunning, blood doctrine. Well run from it as far and fast as you can. As catholic i love god, and im the church. No one ever have shunned me when i left in my younger years. Not my parents not the priest. My colleague is jw and told me that the crucifix is pagan! The pope was also teaming up with Hitler. What about Russels pyramid? What about Rutherford his letter to Hitler. Just two example of pointing to the needle in the eye of the other. NEVER ive read in Catholic literature something against jw or any other religions. No..only positively yes. Something to think over.
You could come back home where even the sinful have a seat at the table- History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the rule of faith for ALL, tell us who did?
"If I am cured of cancer, what else should I be sick with? "
"Where else shall we go"? is the most difficult part. It takes time to accept there is no true religion.
Well said. I was stuck in that mindset for years.
@@f4rnsworth138 I was hoping to stumble across a Watchtower that would bring me back but the literature is so dumbed down now (they are looking for the rightly disposed). After G Jackson's ARC testimony it was clear to me they are frauds. In public they say they are "not" the only path to salvation but in print it is "listen to us or die".
Well let’s see you can see that this worlds in a mess China Russia and nato we still have the book of Daniel revelation who wrote them Daniel and John ? There comeing true keep on the watch ?
@@michaelhaigh9182 Trouble is the book of Daniel was written about 400 plus years after Daniels demise, so its easy to predict after the events have occurred!
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There has always been War, and there will always be War, for as along as Man exists on earth, so nothing new there!
Who said we have to go anywhere?
Thanks I had good laugh. But true.
It's the JW cope. My father always says the same thing. Or when countering the arguments of "complainers" he says "Well, they themselves have nothing to offer!".
As logically sound as saying that you can't criticize my fallacy-full, demonstrable incorrect religion but since you don't have anything 'better' [by my standard check-list!] then your points are invalid!".
JWs truly are content with sticking to the most infantile rationalisation.
"Who said we have to go anywhere"? I used these exact same words when being confronted by a heavily indoctrinated pimi sibling. Any discussion with someone so hard core is non productive, so I've taken Lloyd's approach of not even trying to reach them. As he says, it's their own journey. If they ever get sincerely curious as to my thoughts/reasons for leaving I have 'plenty' to give them.
GREAT CALL Lloyd U go Marcus I feel the same way don’t want to have anything to do with that CULT ever again OUTTA DARKNESS And I am SO HAPPY 😀 ❤
Reminds me of a quote from Dan Baker “if there’s no master, whose slave will I be.”
Yup exactly the point! For a lot of people all what leaving the witnesses would do is create this hole or vacuum for something else to come occupy. The possibility of not being anyone’s slave is non comprehensible to them. “ where else shall we go” really reveals what the real issue is and it’s not even really the witnesses it’s the person and their need to be in such a slave like mindset. It’s like they have no sense of self at all
I fu(Beep!)g hate that "where else will we go?" lame excuse to stay inside the organization.
It's such a simply, and infantile coping mechanism. "
Oh, you brought up contradictions, hypocrisy and lies in my religion? Well, I have my own check-list here given by the same religion as to what constitutes a true religion, and you're not offering that religion to me as a better alternative. So, sorry punk, looks like I win this argument 😎"
Look if Lloyd cannot convince his own father how should someone less articulated and knowledgable stand a chance.
Again a brilliant advice from Lloyd!
Marcus was very articulate and knowledgeable....please do without the shaming.
@@correa40 No shaming meant..please do without the Karen.
Try it , they can't be argued with because they won't argue with unbelievers and refer you to the elders. You are not correct saying Lloyd can't convince his Father.
You should tell them you'll go anywhere that practices freedom of worship and does not shun!
LIVES, EXISTENCE, and FREEDOMS of HATEFUL, CRUEL, and ARROGANT HUMAN BEINGS ON PLANET EARTH -
All the hateful, cruel, and arrogant atheists, agnostics, JWs, Born Agains, Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics, SDAs, Hindus, Mormons, Baptists, all fanatics of all Religions in the world are free to boast and claim that -
1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God
2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth
3. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead are worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence
4. all human beings including their own families and neighbors are worthless, useless, and undeserving to be treated with kindness and respect
The CREATOR is also free to reward and honor all loving, kind, and respectful human beings with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, peaceful, and secure planet earth without hateful, cruel, and arrogant atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, criminals, terrorists, and murderers.
JESUS CHRIST is also free to resurrect back to life all loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, his disciples, and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
After my parents who were JWs all their lives passed away my elder brother and pioneer missionary sister stopped talking to me because i choose not to believe that bs
I believe that Christ’s disciples asked him “To WHOM shall we go?” Not where else shall we go?
The CREATOR KNOWS that he is the Most High and Sovereign God
JESUS CHRIST KNOWS that the Creator gave him all authority in heaven and on earth and sent from heaven to planet earth thousands of years ago to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings on earth.
WHO ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE CREATOR AND JESUS CHRIST ON PLANET EARTH? -
HATEFUL, CRUEL, and ARROGANT Atheists, Agnostics, JWs, Born Agains, Mormons, Buddhists, Muslims, Catholics, Hindus, Baptists, SDAs, Pentecostals, etc. who worship the hateful, cruel, merciless, and arrogant Satan the Devil and preach the LIES and false teachings of his anti-Christs about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "eincarnation" KNOW that they are boasting and claiming that -
1. the Creator is useless, worthless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God
2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth
3. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are worthless and useless, without any value at all
4. all human beings including their own families and neighbors are worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected.
WHAT IS THE WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the AUTHORITY and TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST?
JESUS CHRIST KNOWS
that LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will be favored, rewarded and honored by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without hateful, cruel, arrogant, and merciless atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of Religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, criminals, terrorists, and murderers.
THE CREATOR KNOWS
that the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings will not remain as worthless and useless dusts forever after their deaths, instead, in his own right time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life together with other LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler, his Christ.
Dear Brother Jaflen Bond,
Thank you for your post.
Some people just feel the need to be lead; When i indulge my sister in critical thinking there comes a point where she tells me to shut up (politely).
Sure, good question (John 6:68). And the answer is in in the next verse..."We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”... doesn't say a single thing about Governing Body or some organisation. So, they can go straight to Jesus! Its that simple!
Wise words as per usual, Lloyd
That’s a great answer Lloyd, I had the same question from my parents but my answer was way less elaborated
As the Buddha said to his Sangha before his death, "Each of you be a light unto yourself, betake yourself to no external refuge. Hold fast to the truth. Look not for refuge to anyone beside yourself". Words from a man who never claimed to be a god or who was inspired by any supernatural deity and words spoken well before the `arrival`of Jesus. I am not a Buddhist but the wisdom handed down from this man do resonate with me.
I learned something a while ago that states, "You don't know how free you are until you become unstuck". I agree with this statement so much as it is applicable to being ut of a cult.
It's perfectly reasonable that Marcus would want his loved ones to wake up entirely, but, he may just have to settle for not looking a gift horse in the mouth. He's already way ahead of the game by having faded and having ANY relationship at all. With the family background, they are likely knee deep in sunk cost fallacy.
My father says the same excuse.I learnt true spirituality doesn’t depend on a religious organisation, make the truth your own.
Jesus had sayings for everlasting life , the JWs don’t, their predictions never come true Deut 18:20-22
Putting yourself on Jesus level is hubris and blasphemy
JWs can’t explain why God recognises those in Rom 2:14 - they meet his criteria for salvation, also the great crowd no Jehovah’s Witness can number
Were where they going in the first place The MC Donald sign is very powerful when your stomach is on empty
Like Lloyd, I too have always had an issue with this pithy question. It carries no weight or importance apart from that which the Organisation places on it.
How will you know where else you can go if you don't go... or at least look?
As other comments have stated, you are where you are because you went there... nobody else did it. You did! You allowed yourself to get where you are... and you can allow yourself to look for other destinations.
Don't let others tell you where you should be! Why not, at least, try another route?
"A journey of a thousand miles starts with just one step."
Keep up this work Lloyd . It's very important
Thank you for being part of my journey of truth Lloyd
I literally cant stand pretending to like family worship anymore...my mental health is not gonna stand strong any longer before im ready to tell my parents i dont in this fuckery anymore
I didn’t realize you wrote more than one book! I am purchasing this one right away
Llody gave, as usual, great points on the issue the caller raised.
But for me, the best one made Marcus himself, by saying „it‘s not about ‚to whom should we go‘ but about the ‚freedom of thought and the freedom of reasoning‘“.
That’s for me THE point.
If I discover, that my religion is not true, I am not staying just because they claim something that ist nice to believe, or it appears as the best (promised) option so far…
If something is wrong, I do not stick to it, only because there is allegedly currently no better option…
You are alive. Who says you should go somewhere? Right, people with motives do.
Good to see you back Lloyd. 😀
My mother says, "I won't let humans stand between me and God," after acknowledging that many of the teachings of the Society are not scriptural, and they conceal serious sin.
When you get rid of cancer, what do you replace it with? - Matt dilahunty
This is one of the most misunderstood verses for JWs, really hard to understand for someone who connects God and organization so much.
Off topic of the video but you really do look great in a t-shirt that matches your beautiful eye color Lloyd 😊
I heard "there's nowhere else to go" and "you have millions of enemies trying to get you" to which I replied "what's that supposed to mean is that some kind of threat?"
again, thank you!
I agree Lloyd. When I left I told everyone I no longer believed in God and wouldn't try to change their minds. It's their journey not mine, and I can't take it for them. I'll discuss my atheism with them if they want but I don't attack their beliefs. I'm content to leave religion out of it
Lloyd after listening to your answer to the caller, I was like OMG! I had not thought to sum it up that way, but it’s that simple… thank you…Happy New Year….❤
Again, exactly what Mormons say... Where will you go? What will you do?...
I have been watching ex-mormon´s videos like Exmo Lex and Jordan and McKay and videos have helped me to see how similar mormons vs JWs are.
You don't "go" anywhere. Following Jesus is all about doing GOOD to everyone, not going to a building and reciting words!
As I have watched all of your voicemail responses, I have to say your advice is better (I think) than what most therapists could give. Have you considered officially becoming one?
nothing wrong with that lloyd, i'm surprised you don't plug your books more often
And he should 💯
In my own experience, I still believe in a higher power and there are some truths I still hold true from the Bible. However, I believe that truth is NOT found in organized religion, period.
The real miracle Tony Morris has performed is the amount of liquor he is able to drink 🤣🤣
It's "to whom do we go to?" Not where would we go to.... He was referring going to Jesus not to WT society 😂 Marcus I live in San Antonio only 1 hr 30 away & my JW sister lives in Austin area 😂
Hey cool , this Is Marcus from the voicemail I actually lived in San Antonio for 10 years ( GO SPURS) before moving to Austin and I'm always looking forward to meeting up with and chatting with fellow EX-JWs. Let me know if I could meet up with you and your sister and I would be glad to give you my email to contact me.
@@Markypoo-poo-8-Beans sure we can meet sometime but unfortunately not with my JW sister, we're not in good terms because she is shunning me bc I no longer want anything to do with the JW religion
I need God and others to share my believe. This brings me joy, hope. What others do,say or think. No . Don't care.
What sort of Slave would I be if I leave my Master?
Loyd, your appearance looks a million times better than that unkempt look! You have the wisdom, knowledge and ability to impart the real truth to the rest of us who have left this cult. Good work, sir!
Why not quote Geoffrey Jackson, when testifying under path in Australia.. When asked, "Are Jehovah's Witnesses the only true religion in earth?" He replies, "Now that would be presumptuous of me"
I like to ask about 1914. How did the doctrine change on that generation not dying out? Truth does not change. Lies do.
Austin ,TX is a very nice city, I lived there for 81/2 years. I now live about 3 hours East.❤
Haven't seen my grandson in 25 yrs! His mother took him door knocking with her when he was 2 years old, dressed in his miniature suit and tie get up.😢
Am happy to see how loyd is getting more handsome younger and healthier. Keep it up loyd I really appreciate and respect you so much.
I have reworked and used the Jehovah's Witnesses rhetoric against them with the ole 'plant a seed, you never know when tragedy, loss and despair will make them vulnerable enough for us to pounce' thing.
I'm in the same position as this caller; I'm not disfellowshipped and not 'sinning' so just classed as faded. Whole family still speak to me, and since they decide to engage ME with their JW crap, I stay quiet and try to agree with them on any positive points they mention. Then, at a different time, I will plant a seed. I will do this without malice, in an almost curious or humerous tone as if I'm assuming they already know exactly what I am talking about (because after all THEY are the JWs, they should be studying all of their latest publications as well as knowing their own religion's history, right?) . Slipping in a mention of a weird paragraph in the latest watchtower here, a dodgy statement from a GB member in the broadband there, a sprinkling of a reference to an old lite belief somewhere else... it's to the point where, my mum has actually gone and re-looked at things because I guess she's embarrassed that I, an ex JW, seem to effortlessly know what's going on in her religion more than she does. It's working. Slowly, very very very slowly. It's been over 4 years now. The guard comes down when they no longer suspect you are an 'angry bitter apostate'! And when you are one of the few REAL people in their lives who they know they can rely on for comfort and honesty, in my experience, the truth slips out of them sometimes. Like my mother admitting she doesn't agree with the way the GB are spending the money on Ramapo, or my aunt venting about bitchy sisters in her Hall who are hypocritical and saying she doesn't care what her elders say, or my dad letting slip that he will never ever agree to being an elder again because he was so disgusted at their behaviour during his short stint as one.
I don't expect them to leave or to not believe in a god. But if you just relax and don't keep going hard on them, you are in a unique position to gently and carefully lift them from the Cult mindset IF you think it is harming them.
This is very good, continue to be someone they can rely on without conditions and they will see that you're a better friend/relative than the JWs
Would love to share my experience with this cult with you Lloyd
When I left after a long self blaming journey I did a Christian basic course on zoom and that took a lot of edge off what I had been used to plus reading Jesus sermon on the mount a few times lightened the jw burden for me , I’m not sure if I would go to a religious service/meeting again although I often fancy it I’m worried about getting too involved
Jesus never wrote a single text... gospels were written by 3rd parties 40 to 100 years later... who remembers someone's sayings word 4 word...?
And here we are hanging on to every word and comma.
The only begotten son gives us a mere 3 years of recorded ministry & not a single word written by his hand.
Well said!
Thanks from a JW
Christ said those words after he said that we must eat him, the bread, his flesh. The word was very hard to hear so many left. JW are doing the same as they left away from eating the body of Christ but eating the “food” of another “body”!
All they want is food from the governing body they cant read the bible for themselves. Such a sad affair!
"The Force Runs Strong in his family" lol
My advice would be find a community be it at the local pub club or centre .And do your own worship following your own beliefs. Not be force fed it from a religion or cult .
Sounds like the ending of Gone With the Wind .
Peter asked to whom shal we go. Not where should we go. The answer is Jesus!
WORTHLESS and USELESS LIVES and EXISTENCE OF HATEFUL, CRUEL, and ARROGANT ENEMIES of the CREATOR and JESUS CHRIST ON PLANET EARTH -
Arrogant, cruel, and hateful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, all fanatics of all Religions are nothing but worthless, useless, merciless, and shameless worshippers of Satan the Devil who trick, deceive, and mislead their own families and neighbors to -
1. hate the Creator and degrade him as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God
2. hate Jesus Christ and degrade him as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth
3. reject the teachings of Jesus Christ about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead as worthless and useless, without any value at all.
CAUSING THE SUFFERINGS, PAINS, AND DEATHS OF MANKIND -
Hateful, cruel, and arrogant Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, all fanatics of all Religions are nothing but worthless, useless, merciless, and shameless worshippers of the arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful Satan the Devil who are mocking and degrading all human beings including their own families and neighbors as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored, favored, and rewarded by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths.
WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the LIVES AND EXISTENCE OF LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL HUMAN BEINGS ON PLANET EARTH -
JESUS CHRIST KNOWS
that LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will be favored, rewarded and honored by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without hateful, cruel, arrogant, and merciless atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of Religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, criminals, terrorists, and murderers.
THE CREATOR KNOWS
that the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings will not remain as worthless and useless dusts forever after their deaths, instead, in his own right time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life together with other LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler, his Christ.
@@alexshatner3907 You are very angry and really not the loving "Christian"you claim to be. I send you my love and I really hope you one day will wake up and see that salvation is in Christ and not in an Org led by men.
@@alexshatner3907 I'm sorry to say but I'm not an "apostate" , raised in the org but never babtized. I'm just a woman who try to do what I can to spred the truth about the "truth". Have many good friends who are JW and I love them dearly. Most of them know the truth about the org, but are saddly trapped do to the shunning policy. Alex, since you are watching Lloyd and probably other channels here, you must feel a big conflict inside you. I still have days where I can't understand why my beloved religion turned out to be so evil. I hope you have someone you trust to talk to, because I know you have conflicting feelings since you are watching Lloyd.
Take care of yourself Alex♥️
(Revelation 18:4,5) "And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.
And not a word about where to go!
On the other side of the coin, it’s best to remember that JWs do have excellent ways of justifying their existence as an org and answering the question of “who are doing God’s will today”?
Who exactly is Tibor? Is it a family member of Lloyd’s? Or, simply a content administrator/technician?
No better response than what you've given Lloyd.
However, Morris has a credential of Jehovah's appointment
He turned donations of JWs into Macallan Whisky. 🍾
Four generations. That's a lot of years avoiding outsiders. There are so many other Christan and non Christan religions out there who act a lot calmer than Jehovah's Witness. And require less from their worshipers. I'm going back to work tomorrow that my joke for the day.
Ex-JWs and all atheists and agnostics are not oppose and against the Satanic arrogance, lies, deceits, and foolishness of Religions, instead, they joined Religions in insulting, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings and commandments of the Creator and his Christ.
EX-JWS, ATHEISTS, and AGNOSTICS DON'T KNOW AND CAN'T UNDERSTAND -
A) THAT fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian religions in the world are -
1. NOT worshippers of the Creator but worshippers of Satan the Devil, the enemy of the Creator
2. NOT believers of the TRUTHS and righteousness of the Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" but believers of the LIES and foolishness of anti-Christs about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity", "reincarnation", and "rapture".
B) THAT all HATEFUL, CRUEL, and ARROGANT Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions in the world who worship the worthless and foolish Satan the Devil and believe the Lies and foolishness of the worthless and foolish anti-Christs are nothing but worthless, useless, merciless, and shameless human beings who -
1. can't be trusted with anything
2. are incapable of respecting the lives and dignities of human beings
3. are worthy and deserving of their own disgrace, shame, dishonor, downfall, and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
C) THAT all LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who hate and rejected the LIES, deceptions, and foolishness of Satan the Devil and his anti-Christs will be honored and rewarded by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths on a secure, peaceful, and safe planet earth without hateful, cruel, and arrogant worshippers of the Devil and believers of his anti-Christs, without slanderers, liars, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, criminals, and murderers.
D) THAT the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings will not remain as worthless and useless dusts forever after their deaths, instead, in his own right time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life together with other LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler, his Christ.
ANYWHERE ELSE! GO ANYWHERE ELSE, LOL. And again, just like most always they misquote scripture. Peter asked, “To whom shall I go”.
That’s a very sound advice
For JWs and fundamentalists alike, the only true religion is the one that you happen to be involved with at the moment.
Where went People thousands of years before the watchtower Company started? To the Bible.
i dont recommend any were else!
Hope you can sign my book if you come to Chicago.
Personally what I think is you can’t argue against that cuz it’s not about right or wrong when it comes to a certain point. That doesn’t matter a person can do the wrong thing knowing that it is wrong themself and still do it cuz that is who they are as a person. What it eventually comes down to is who you are as a person and what you hold as most important to you. You can’t argue with saying freedom of thought is important to have when they don’t hold value in that that’s doesn’t sound like that’s who they are. It probably means nothing to them if that’s something they have to sacrifice in order to receive salvation and immortality which is what’s most important to them. They seem to have very sheeplike mentality which is what their organization wants and what they want as well. Like they’ll be completely lost without the organization with no where else to go. They can’t seem to survive without out it. So I would say there’s no use in arguing in the first place since they don’t care to have basic common sense anyways. Rather what he could do is simply just express why he sees things the way he does and why he can’t be a witness and hopefully they could have some sense empathy to at the very least understand his situation even if they disagree which is ok cuz we don’t need to change anybody’s mind anyway.
The parents could mean "Where else can we go?" Because, really, think about this, if you are born and raised inside, truly where else whold you be able to go? Another religion? Maybe not, because you might just pick it apart and call it all lies, so that won't really do any good. You feel like you don't belong with the Witnesses, nor the world. It's like you don't really fit in anywhere unfortunately.
I also meant to say my mom used to like to say if you can show me something better, let me know. Kind of ironic, that while her words were sincere, trying other religions or doing research from worldly sources would invariably be at the very least, frowned upon.
So true it was 40 years before I opened a Bible ,matter of fact I didn't even own a Bible and still to this day I m not sure I can believe a book that has been changed by men
This is exactly it. This Bible passage has nothing to do with JW. BTW when quoting the Bible please try to use the King James Version
11:55 You know if Tony had jesus powers he would be turning tight pants into Macallan Cut. And college scholarships into Macallan 25.
He'd be a scotch King Midas.
Hi Lloyd , the link is broken to leave voicemails, is there another?
I can tell by the sound of his voice that he was raised a witness lol
● john 6:68 disciples were leaving jesus and he asked if they would leave too but they replied. TO WHOM shall we turn to.... it is a belief in the person not an organization. Jw believers will say where will we go but it's to whom. It's about who has the words of life and that's jesus. His words give life john 6:63. John 14:6
I don't think there's much Marcus can do when it comes to his parents choosing to remain JWs. I think that all he can do is try to maintain whatever relationship he still has with them.
Go to the bible and read it for yourself and contribute to yourself to benefit your own family members in need.
Go to Jesus!
Easy... the bible was written 100 years or more after 'Jesus' lived... Peter is probably a fictional character and the discussion probably never happened... or if it did happen Jesus probably answered 'let's go to KFC for some chicken wings and Pepsi'
I think it's possible that the historical Jesus probably did want to control his followers' lives to a degree. He would have been a pretty conservative religious Jew. The JWs also quote that passage from the Bible. Jesus' followers are already indoctrinated in the Biblical stories, and he is portrayed as having performed supernatural feats in front of them, so yeah, why wouldn't they believe he was the Son of God? Jesus' disciples are portrayed as believing that he has the "sayings of everlasting life". The JWs try to make it seem like that passage is referring to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
By Witnesses saying, "Who shall you turn to, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones who can guide you to eternal life"? Well, I don't know that there is an afterlife, so I don't think the Governing Body know how to get there. And I don't think it would really be worth it when one considers some of the things that they require you to do in order to get into the afterlife, even if there really is an afterlife and even if the Governing Body were the only ones who could help you get there. I don't think that the Governing Body have the "sayings of everlasting life". I think your analogy concerning the Witnesses' assumption that the Watchtower Society has the "truth" and that they as followers of the Governing Body "are nothing and have nothing if they are not Jehovah's Witnesses" to that of an abusive relationship is a rather good one, Lloyd.
It's another reason why I don't want to be involved with the JWs community, I don't like that message of a person not having any worth unless they continue remaining part of a religious group.
Go to the scriptures and the words of Jesus only (if you want to carry on religious beliefs)
6 After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.
2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.
7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him,
9 There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
If you're an ex JW who still believes in God, you can just say you're not going away from Jesus and his teachings. You are only leaving the cult. One can have a close relationship with God and not be a part of any religion.
Come to the Church of Christ
Why did this voicemail sound so much like a JW dramatization? No offense to the guy. It got me thinking if people that have been in the organization long enough eventually speak with an over emphasis on pausing. I thought it was the upper brass trolling for a second lol.
It could have been jw. But it wasn't because i started with my own religion and i know gor a fact that the gras is not greener or better on the other side. Wel, if you dont follow your own heart,then you listen to others. Morris, lett....
JW achieved what they achieved by their hard humen work.Where is the evidence some god was helping them? Same with any other human.We all have power to make choices, create our lives and circumstances.Where is an evidence some god is helping us?It's all us from what I see for thousands of years.And I see fantastic human beings with fantastic skills and powers to create but we allow some narcissistic disordered humans to tell us otherwise...We have power to create and destroy.Jesus showed exactly how powerful human can be by being one....if only our faith is at least a size of mustard grain...Looks like it's not even that small and that is why we are not as powerful as he was as a human yet...Start beliving he was telling and showing the true about who we really are as humen....Then you have to go nowhere....
Peter didnt ask where shall we go to, but to WHOM we shall to to? Jesus has to word of truth.
Marcus' accent reminds of the TV animation King of the Hills.🤣
Ooohhh that's mean and cold blooded, your poking fun of his Texas accent
@@Markypoo-poo-8-Beans Oh, don't be oversensitive, I mean no offense.
In all religions there is good and bad as in the world. All people are imperfect. So, many leave catholic for jw faith. But, why? You need faith. You need hope! You need God. Its very simple. Go to the root. Thats it. In fact, there were good and bad from the start ( Judas). And it will not change. You ARE the church. But, with jw, the bad started with Charles Russel, and tje prediction of Armageddon based on the pyramid. True! Then Rutherford! Lie and deceive. Well he said: advertise, advertise, advertise. And you will stay in this self proclaimed truth. Shunning, blood doctrine. Well run from it as far and fast as you can. As catholic i love god, and im the church. No one ever have shunned me when i left in my younger years. Not my parents not the priest. My colleague is jw and told me that the crucifix is pagan! The pope was also teaming up with Hitler. What about Russels pyramid? What about Rutherford his letter to Hitler. Just two example of pointing to the needle in the eye of the other. NEVER ive read in Catholic literature something against jw or any other religions. No..only positively yes. Something to think over.
You could come back home where even the sinful have a seat at the table-
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the rule of faith for ALL, tell us who did?