I thought it was fascinating how the elder transitioned from answering your difficult questions, to " do you want to live forever?" Basically him saying 'let's get you hooked on The Rose, and ignore the thorns'
Its how all cults of belief work. Hook you with "The Rose' or promise of something you consciously or subconsciously need/want and ignore any potential baggage that comes with it.
Yea, without trying to sound defensive, in which I’m not. That is actually the name of their introductory Bible study. He was asking about Bible study and the benefits so it only makes sense for him to recommend it. I don’t see it as avoidance in this aspect, I do see, however, avoidance when he’s stuttering through the conversation and trying to go to the website on any question Lloyd asks. And the shunning/disfellowshipping is a major avoidance. I don’t think this guy actually understands he’s in a cult though, I think he genuinely believes he’s right.
Lloyd, I appreciate your kindness towards these folk. The response from the elder regarding shunning was very muddy with zero transparency. Nobody in their right mind would join that cult if they were informed upfront of the man-made policies that ruin lives.
@@trapmafia4716 You shouldn't speak about things you absolutely have no understanding of. I was one of "these folk" for over 30 years and I know absolutely what they believe and this moron in the video just lied about it. Where is the confusion? What do you think was misrepresented? Speak!
It's not surprising that the elder lied about the disfellowshipping arrangement because they need to hook a line in everyone and if he plainly stated it the way it actually is followed, that would turn a lot of people away from the initial call. Sickening, but effective for them.
hannah9371. It's called Love Bombing; and Every Narcissist, Especially Religious Narcissists like Cult Members, does it. If they told you the absolute Truth about their "Truth" from the start...You'd reject them pronto. Instead they Sugar Coat it like an M&Ms and once you get to the Center(In this case, a Toxic One), You're a "Walking Dead Zombie For Watchtower Org".💔🤷🏻♀️🤷♂️
Holy SHIT!!! 13:10. Absolutely bold-faced lied. I am blown away!! It's one thing for them to not voluntarily disfellowshipping up right out of the gate, but when asked straight out, he emphatically, hands waving, said NO. I've never seen such a thing so blatantly. I'm pretty well angered by that. And to boot, an elder who didn't know when Paul wrote Timothy. Nice going, Teach. Despite this being quite irritating to listen to, I'm very glad you posted this video, Lloyd. Wow.
Existing on planet earth are billions and billions of LIARS, arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions who are boasting and claiming that - 1. the Creator is useless and not worthy to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God 2. Jesus Christ is useless and not worthy to be honored and obeyed as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth. Also existing on earth are loving, kind, and respectful human beings who are honoring and obeying the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ. So, just face the TRUTH - ETERNAL DEATH - LIARS, arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, JWs, Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons, Muslims, Baptists, Hindus, SDAs, Born Agains, etc. who are mocking, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ are nothing but worthless and foolish human beings who are just bringing upon themselves their own sufferings, downfall, disgrace, shame, and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth - Loving, kind, and respectful human beings who honor and obey the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will be rewarded and honored with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful planet earth without atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and criminals. Loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
@@Eric_01 you talk and boast too much... Just know and understand that all human beings who joined Satan the Devil in insulting and opposing the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings will not care about their own lives, dignities, and existence. Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, all arrogant, cruel and hateful human beings are oppose and against the Christ's authority and teachings about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead. All human beings who submit to the God-given authority of Jesus Christ put their faith and hope in the teachings of their Master about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead. They rejected the teachings of Religions about Armageddon, Trinity, hellfire, rapture, and reincarnation as worthless and useless, just the LIES and deceptions of the enemies of Jesus Christ, the anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders of Religions.
@@jaflenbond7854 I talk too much? I do?! LOL You're just saying stuff, dude. It's not a good read. Everything you've written is just an opinion you've acquired from others as it is completely predictable and I've heard it ALL before, many times. I will take one thing under consideration. Just show me the bible books that Jesus wrote and we can discuss his "authority".
Lessons from this vid: -No JW will admit to shunning and disfellowshipping upfront. -Even if you keep asking, "But will they be punished if they decide to leave later on?" -They will just answer, "Joining is totally voluntary." -Like always, when confronted with hard scientific facts, some of which they verbally agreed to earlier in your conversation, they will respond to in roundabout ways.
Jws know how harsh and inhumane shunning is, they are reluctant to let the public know about it so they sugar coat as much as possible. They lay it at your feet by saying it's voluntary.
Thanks again Lloyd for once again proving that JWs have a very difficult time defending their beliefs when presented with thought provoking questions. Cart witnessing is all about an easy way for average JWs to count time. Never EVER will you see a GB member manning a cart.
Yes, he really did not want to describe the people dying all around in millions and being left for the birds. I could almost hear his brain working out a get out plan.
More of these please! Lol. Handled beautifully! And made him squirm more than a little and use avoidance when addressing the 'disconnection' questions! One could call the reply lying or deception on the Elder's part.
It's gonna be harder for him to churn out more of these as they will surely catch on to him and have warnings plastered all over their KH saying avoid this man at all costs.
Lloyd, stoked to see you posting more videos like this! always loved the Disney one and can't find anyone else doing SE with JWs. Keep up the great work brother
How can JWs sell such a distorted image of their religion? When I used to preach to others, I was completely honest about religion, I really didn't see any problem with disfellowshipping, Maybe because I was a kid, but anyway... Not even in my later years as a JW, with more indoctrination skills, did I apply this "ends justify the means" logic.
Your questions got tough and he bowed out of the conversation 😂😂😂 Also, he blatantly lied about the shunning!! Great conversation Lloyd. Thank you for outing them with their lies and manipulation tactics!!
Kind of hilarious to see how completely off book many of these answers were. These brothers and sisters clearly don't pay enough attention on the ministry school sections each week
These are so fascinating Lloyd, I’ve often wanted to go and have a friendly engagement with the people cart witnessing and try and catch their eye but they usually seem to be chatting amongst themselves. It’s only a matter of time before you are on some sort of “wanted” posters in every Kingdom Hall 😂
Wow, Great interview Lloyd. The Elder came over to help out his poor "Sisters" who were overwhelmed by your Evolution reasoning. I was having 'Flashbacks' as it's so hard to defend the JW's ridiculous teachings. I just wanted to count my "Time" and get out of there.
Jdubs will never openly admit to shunning. Had I known of this despicable doctrine prior to my baptism, I'd never have gone through with it. My baptism should be officially annulled on the basis of been deceived under false pretenses. Funny the elder who was speaking to Lloyd should bring up "having no natural affection" as one of the signs of the last days', Jdubs are fulfilling bible prophesy.
You do realize that could be applied to most people's baptisms, right? I certainly don't remember all those questions in the Lamp book addressing any aspect of what would happen to a baptized person being punished for perceived wrongdoing.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that his followers honor and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father. The Creator KNOWS that JWs, Born Agains, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, etc. who believe and preach the lies, deceits, and false teachings of the anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders of all Religions about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity"", "Rapture", and "reincarnation" are under the authority, power, and control of his enemy, Satan the Devil. Jesus Christ KNOWS that ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, sickness, and deaths is the Creator's honor and reward NOT for atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions but ONLY for loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to his God-given authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". Believers of Jesus Christ KNOW that the teaching of the Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
You actually made it all the way to baptism without knowing that? That's incredible. I knew just from being born in and seeing it play out for decades and having my own family members be disappeared. I never realized that studying in would never cross that subject.
@@Eric_01 nope, my study teacher never breathed a word about shunning. Sure she brought up the disfell’d arrangement to keep the congregations clean, but shunning never came into it. I would've been in a good 10 yrs when I got reprimanded for talking to a disfell’d member who was required to attend meetings if they hoped to be reinstated. I had no clue I wan't allowed to talk with that person...I was shocked to say the least.
morningglory9288. You do realize that your baptism into this Cult, means absolutely nothing, Right?🤔 These are Con Men using the facade of Religion in order to get Rich and gain Narcissistic Control and Power. They have Zero Credibility or Validity. They are neither Legally or Morally Equipped or Accredited. Just go about your life as you see fit, guiltlessly and mentally free. They can only have Validity and Control in your life, if You let them. It was all FRAUD, So don't let them continue to dupe you or Intimidate You.
I love the way the Witness talks about the last days (as quoted in Timothy) as the days we are in right now. It's nothing more than oral sleight of hand
Cracks me up when Lloyd ask a question about what the end looks like, and the elder didn’t want to answer for fear of giving Lloyd “spiritual indigestion”. LOL!!!! JWs will come up with any excuse in order to avoid answering the tough questions.
LE: I'm interested in knowing what the end actually would look like. So let's say the end has arrived, I'm here in London, what am I seeing? JW: Ok ... I tell you what, you've got a lot of questions. The best thing would be to have a bible study. 😅
What a disingenuous tact! "Spiritual indigestion" What a Con man style! Instead of being straightforward and telling Lloyd that THE END means the destruction of all non-Jehovah witnesses, and leaving JWs. Great thanks Lloyd.
THE REAL, RAGING, and EXISTING BATTLE TO THE DEATH ON PLANET EARTH - The Creator and His Christ VS. The worthless and foolish Satan the Devil and his worthless and useless Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism
ETERNAL LIFE and existence for the VICTORS ETERNAL DEATH, just worthless and useless dusts on earth for the VANQUISHED The VANQUISHED - Atheists, Agnostics, JWs, Born Agains, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, SDAs, Hindus, Baptists, Catholics, all fanatics of all religions who are boasting and claiming that the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are worthless and useless are nothing but shameless and foolish human beings who are just bringing upon themselves their own sufferings, pains, disgrace, dishonor, downfall, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. The VICTORS - Worshippers of the Creator and believers of his Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and Resurrection of the Dead" who rejected Satan's Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism as nothing but worthless lies, deceptions, and foolishness will be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful planet earth without worthless and foolish atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, criminals, murderers, arrogant, cruel, and hateful persons.
Lloyd, it was really unfortunate at the 24:30 mark in the video that you had to bleep out the audio for several seconds at the end of your conversation. I did not think that an elder could be capable of swearing at someone who is interested in the good news. He must of realized who he was speaking to for such awful language to be uttered from his own lips!
Listening to the video, the elder wasn't swearing at Lloyd, he was giving Lloyd his phone number. Lloyd has bleeped out any spoken information in the video that could be used to identify the JW's he was speaking with.
Lloyd is wicked. He made minced meat out of the poor man. The man relented eventually. Some witness for jehovah. The poor chap did not know who he was up against. 🤣🤣🤣
Such a great example of how they dodge directly answering about shunning. That was perhaps the most illuminating episode yet. Thanks for sharing this video!
I’m an exjw doing my minor at uni in theology. This morning we had class in Catholic canon law, particularly dealing with penal law and excommunication. I cannot believe how incredibly similar the explanation the secular priest gave of excommunication vs this elder and disfellowshipping. But oh no, they’re nothing alike.
How do they get away with claiming they are 'Publishers'. They haven't 'Published' anything. That is done at the Bethel or what's now relocated in Essex. Since when did standing next to a cart quality as Publishing
19:35 a man begins to drown. 19:45 he screams for help. Lloyd I can promise you this man did not sleep that night. Good god man, you were just crraannkking on his gears so hard. Nevermind planting a seed, I think you planted the whole garden in that one. Nevermind spiritual indigestion, this is making me sick.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that his followers honor and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father. The Creator KNOWS that JWs, Born Agains, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, etc. who believe and preach the lies, deceits, and false teachings of the anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders of all Religions about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity"", "Rapture", and "reincarnation" are under the authority, power, and control of his enemy, Satan the Devil. Jesus Christ KNOWS that ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, sickness, and deaths is the Creator's honor and reward NOT for atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions but ONLY for loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to his God-given authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". Believers of Jesus Christ KNOW that the teaching of the Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
Gosh, you’re so cool about this. I don’t think I could walk up to a member of my former religion and talk to them like that without losing my nerves… balls of steel.
It's difficult as I feel anger toward the organisation, but can see that these women are as enmeshed in the lie as I was. I think we all bear some responsibility for the falsehoods and nonsense we peddled and am glad that the one person I introduced to the cult, was wise enough to leave after a relatively short time.
Oh Loyd! I love ya mate, you are so gifted & funny, I always avoid witnesses, but wonder how many ex JW's will apply this, we all have this confidence to talk to anyone, I feel lots of us will be applying your actions from this video Mr Evans ha ha ha ha ha 🤣🤣😃 xx
Thanks Jane, that means a lot! Part of the reason for me doing this series apart from showing the lies and evasion is to show ex-JWs that there IS a way to engage with JWs without there being any confrontation or animosity. 🙂
I have to say I really appreciate your video. I’ve seen a few people try and do those and they approach jws with hatred or try to steam roll them. You were calm collected and straight to the point. Class to a T!
Question, On the new Same Sex Marriage Bill, what are the JWs going to do when a Br or Sr marries same sex? Disfellowship them? They'll be sued. Can't shun them, lawsuit. Ignor them? The Congregation will start talking...
Linda R Gianoly, If a JW did get legally married to another adult of the same sex, they would still get disfellowshipped. The same-sex marriage bill in America that was just passed, if that's what you're referring to, doesn't cover getting to stay in one's religious community if one's religious community has a homophobic "no sexually active gays who are in a same-sex relationship with another consenting adult are allowed in our exclusive club, whether they're legally married to their same-sex partner or not; and no transgender people who have undergone a sex change operation or who dress and groom in a style that doesn't match their physical sex can join our exclusive club either...because our literal interpretation of the Bible says so" rules, unfortunately. Suing one's congregation or the Watchtower Society wouldn't do any good. The JWs do have the legal right to exclude LGBT folk who choose to embrace and express their sexuality or gender identity from having an active membership in the Jehovah's Witness community. No, I don't believe it is right that LGBT people who decide to embrace and express their sexual orientation or gender identity are discriminated against by the Witnesses when it comes to the JWs' membership rules; I don't agree with that idea in any way, but that is a right the Witness community has--even though I think it is entirely wrong in every way imaginable on a personal level.
I know of a couple of ex-jws who are now gay. They left the org well before they had relations with their same sex partners. With the new law it would be well within their rights to sue if the org would try and DF them
The more I think about it, I would want to ask one of these folks to explain why they believe what they believe. If they answer by asking me to read a book (the Bible or otherwise), I would refuse that and say I want them to explain specifically why they believe, and convince me that it makes sense. Make them think a little more about their own case...perhaps lead to some harder questions.
This video reminds me very well of being a JW and being confronted with straight-forward questions and feeling like I need to hide what I believed the “truth” was to bait them on the attractive parts. Of course living forever in paradise sounds good! But, you can’t tell them God will destroy them. It’s not part of the sales pitch! lol
What the JWs didn t show in the video is: Like many others, I was excommunicated and then I was attending the meeting during 9 months to get reinstated. During these 9 months they never talked to me. Sometimes I was coming with my baby and they came and talk to him but never to me. This is so crazy when I m thinking about that. In the video they could have put an excommunicated guy in the kingdom hall and show that nobody was greeting or talking to him, why not? That s a true fact, that s happening all the time! They never understood love one another, John 13:34
These videos are currently my favorites, even if the interlocutors are not always so easy to understand (English is also not my mother tongue, I come from Germany).
That "Christian" just straight up lied to Lloyd about disfellowshipping and how it works. I think Jesus would completely agree with that kind of deception.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that his followers honor and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father. The Creator KNOWS that believers of the lies, deceits, and false teachings of the anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders of all Religions about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity"", "Rapture", and "reincarnation" are under the authority, power, and control of his enemy, Satan the Devil. Jesus Christ KNOWS that ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, sickness, and deaths is the Creator's honor and reward NOT for atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions but ONLY for loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to his God-given authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". Believers of Jesus Christ KNOW that the teaching of the Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
Yes, and they justify it by calling it "Theocratic Warfare"! If you have to resort to lying and trickery in order to bring people in, you. Do. Not. Have. The. Truth!
This guy is such a liar 😂. In my personal situation, I'm disfellowshipped and can't talk to any of my family and friends. Where's the choice? Yes, I made the choice to get baptized, but I did it to get married and thought I would never leave (my entire extended family are jws). The control the organization has is just scary. People like this lie to get you to join, and when they get someone to join, they get a pat on the back. It's sad.
@Karen Moody I could check out out. That was always a tough thing about leaving, as an adult in society how to make friends not from the congregation 😂.
@@brendanfoster8308 I think there's some support groups on YT and maybe try a church ,most people in the church are not like the JWs want you to think at least they help in the community with homeless shelters etc
@@brendanfoster8308 It would be easier if you were able to have the time and freedom to be yourself to discover your own interests and passions when in theJWs. Us 'worldy' people meet other people that way. Having a common interest can be a strong, natural and easy starting point for a friendship. JW's have the common ground of being JWs. It's similar for non-religious people, but more individualised and authentic!
@Daniella McGee Yes, that is true. I grew up in a small town also so it was already very isolated. It took me a long time to even develop proper social skills because my congregation was full of old people and my cousins and my brother. I finally figured out how to make friends outside the congregation, I found some fellow nerds 🤓
The best part of this whole debacle is Lloyd saying "yeah...OK...right OK...oh really...interesting...fantastic...is that right"!! Lol...I really couldn't listen to the other nonsense really!😖😤
Note: Excommunication is specifically not a punishing act, but a curative act. The idea is to show the culprit the consequences of their actions and give them cause to repent and return… so basically what he described there.
Great interaction. They are definitely well rehearsed on what to say and do. Now this setting here is what they call the Special Metropolitan witnessing work. They have several people all who serve in one capacity or another. My daughter was telling me how they do it. It's different from just seeing a couple of people with a cart. You brought up some good points but really the best people to approach any witness with a cart is an ex JW, because we will ask the right questions to bring out their failures.
Can you pls consider putting english subtitle Lloyd 😊 i can't clearly hear and understand what their talking, anyway always watching ur videos here from philippines! 🇵🇭🥀
Lloyd, u broke the elder. His threshold for lying to your face was exceeded... Now he gonna have spiritual flu or, Jehober forbid, spiritual-something-19.
excelent elder, if an elder is making you a lot of trouble imagine a missionary or a branch committee member. You beliefs are so easy to debunk with a well prepared jw.
The ones I see in my local town always look very dejected & sort of resigned to not having anyone come up to them.. 😕 There are a couple of women on one cart that sort of abandon it & just spend the day chatting to each other on a nearby bench. I would love to know the stats as to how many people do actually approach them & conversion rates (if any) etc.
The end has arrived I'm here in London what am I seeing ?.....Sam Heard in his Gladiator sandals and kilt , riding his heavenly chariot sword in hand coming at you full pelt ??....The thought of that almost makes me want to join !
These videos are great at exposing the deceptive nature of JW's. I hope they become a regular part of your channel. Showing the quotes from their own literature as they try to avoid direct questions is very helpful to show non JW's what they are really about. Being deceptive.
This was handled so well Lloyd. It did grind my gears a bit when he was responding to you about the disfellowshipping. okkkk then bud...(me rolling eyes...ughh)
Lot's of questions I would have ask him, one of which is: How do you honor Jehovah? His reply should include : making petitions to him, giving him all honor, and praising and thanking him in our prayers ( see The Watchtower, January 2, 1994, page 10 ). Then I would ask him to read John 5:23 which says one should honor the Son AS they honor the Father. This leads to the second question: Do you honor Jesus as you honor the Father as scripture says one should do? If not, why not?
Arrogant, cruel, and hateful human beings will never KNOW and understand that - 1. their Satanic arrogance and foolishness in mocking, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will just result in their own sufferings, dishonor, disgrace, downfall, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. 2. ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, sickness, and deaths is the Creator's honor and reward NOT for arrogant, cruel, and hateful persons but ONLY for loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to the God-given authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". 3. loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
@@jaflenbond7854 Watchtower said “Jehovah commands ALL to worship Jesus” (Watchtower, November 15, 1939, p 339). Another question to ask: do you always do what Jehovah commands?
@@TruthHasSpoken You are talking about LIARS, arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions who are boasting and claiming that - 1. the Creator is useless and not worthy to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God 2. Jesus Christ is useless and not worthy to be honored and obeyed as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth. You are NOT talking about loving, kind, and respectful human beings who are honoring and obeying the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ. So, just face the TRUTH - ETERNAL DEATH - LIARS, arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, JWs, Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons, Muslims, Baptists, etc. who are mocking, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ are nothing but worthless and foolish human beings who are just bringing upon themselves their own sufferings, downfall, disgrace, shame, and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth - Loving, kind, and respectful human beings who honor and obey the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will be rewarded and honored with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful planet earth without atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and criminals.
@@jaflenbond7854 "Jesus Christ is useless and not worthy to be honored " Such Satanic, evil spout that contradicts scripture. I'll go with scripture not anything from the evil one: _so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father_ (Jn 5:23)
I'm shocked that Lloyd's mug shot hasn't been posted on every Kingdom Hall in that area with a message to avoid at all costs lol
He is still flying under their radar! 😂
He’s pretty well known in my old hall…he can thank me for that 😂😂 43 publishers have an OPINION in coastal Washington State 😂😂
I know right?! By now they should know!🤔
I think it’s because they aren’t allowed to look at anything 😂
I'm picturing a sepia tinted old photo in a dusty old post office
I thought it was fascinating how the elder transitioned from answering your difficult questions, to " do you want to live forever?" Basically him saying 'let's get you hooked on The Rose, and ignore the thorns'
Yes major avoidance
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Its how all cults of belief work. Hook you with "The Rose' or promise of something you consciously or subconsciously need/want and ignore any potential baggage that comes with it.
Yea, without trying to sound defensive, in which I’m not. That is actually the name of their introductory Bible study. He was asking about Bible study and the benefits so it only makes sense for him to recommend it. I don’t see it as avoidance in this aspect, I do see, however, avoidance when he’s stuttering through the conversation and trying to go to the website on any question Lloyd asks. And the shunning/disfellowshipping is a major avoidance. I don’t think this guy actually understands he’s in a cult though, I think he genuinely believes he’s right.
Lloyd, I appreciate your kindness towards these folk. The response from the elder regarding shunning was very muddy with zero transparency. Nobody in their right mind would join that cult if they were informed upfront of the man-made policies that ruin lives.
Muddy? He lied outright. Lloyd asked if family would cut off a formerly baptized relative for leaving and he said no. Amazing.
It wasn't muddy starting 13.10. he lied straightaway!
@@Eric_01 Please I understand your vigor, but there's no need to misrepresent these folk
@@trapmafia4716 You shouldn't speak about things you absolutely have no understanding of. I was one of "these folk" for over 30 years and I know absolutely what they believe and this moron in the video just lied about it. Where is the confusion? What do you think was misrepresented? Speak!
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Interesting they allowed a woman to narrate the video when they never allow a woman to speak from a platform
It's not surprising that the elder lied about the disfellowshipping arrangement because they need to hook a line in everyone and if he plainly stated it the way it actually is followed, that would turn a lot of people away from the initial call. Sickening, but effective for them.
Everyone who joins becomes a hostage.
I think I would have called him out at that point. In a nice way of course.
hannah9371.
It's called Love Bombing; and Every Narcissist, Especially Religious Narcissists like Cult Members, does it.
If they told you the absolute Truth about their "Truth" from the start...You'd reject them pronto.
Instead they Sugar Coat it like an M&Ms and once you get to the Center(In this case, a Toxic One), You're a "Walking Dead Zombie For Watchtower Org".💔🤷🏻♀️🤷♂️
Holy SHIT!!! 13:10. Absolutely bold-faced lied. I am blown away!! It's one thing for them to not voluntarily disfellowshipping up right out of the gate, but when asked straight out, he emphatically, hands waving, said NO. I've never seen such a thing so blatantly. I'm pretty well angered by that.
And to boot, an elder who didn't know when Paul wrote Timothy. Nice going, Teach.
Despite this being quite irritating to listen to, I'm very glad you posted this video, Lloyd. Wow.
Existing on planet earth are billions and billions of LIARS, arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions who are boasting and claiming that -
1. the Creator is useless and not worthy to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God
2. Jesus Christ is useless and not worthy to be honored and obeyed as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Also existing on earth are loving, kind, and respectful human beings who are honoring and obeying the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ.
So, just face the TRUTH -
ETERNAL DEATH -
LIARS, arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, JWs, Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons, Muslims, Baptists, Hindus, SDAs, Born Agains, etc. who are mocking, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ are nothing but worthless and foolish human beings who are just bringing upon themselves their own sufferings, downfall, disgrace, shame, and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth -
Loving, kind, and respectful human beings who honor and obey the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will be rewarded and honored with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful planet earth without atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and criminals.
Loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
@@jaflenbond7854 Don't do drugs, bro. You're spewing nonsense. You've drank way too much kool-aid!!
@@Eric_01 you talk and boast too much...
Just know and understand that all human beings who joined Satan the Devil in insulting and opposing the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings will not care about their own lives, dignities, and existence.
Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, all arrogant, cruel and hateful human beings are oppose and against the Christ's authority and teachings about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead.
All human beings who submit to the God-given authority of Jesus Christ put their faith and hope in the teachings of their Master about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead.
They rejected the teachings of Religions about Armageddon, Trinity, hellfire, rapture, and reincarnation as worthless and useless, just the LIES and deceptions of the enemies of Jesus Christ, the anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders of Religions.
@@jaflenbond7854 I talk too much? I do?! LOL You're just saying stuff, dude. It's not a good read. Everything you've written is just an opinion you've acquired from others as it is completely predictable and I've heard it ALL before, many times.
I will take one thing under consideration. Just show me the bible books that Jesus wrote and we can discuss his "authority".
I like that Lloyd how you were so patient that's very good I love you non non-combative answer questions
15:00 "We have all the time in the world." Heheheh. Not according to your leaders, mate. 😆
The little jokes - very smart. Erases tension and puts them at ease, opening them up to listening to you. Very nice!
Thanks! I’ve noticed a little humour goes a long way in these conversations.
A little trick learned from doing the preaching work. Lol
Lessons from this vid:
-No JW will admit to shunning and disfellowshipping upfront.
-Even if you keep asking, "But will they be punished if they decide to leave later on?" -They will just answer, "Joining is totally voluntary."
-Like always, when confronted with hard scientific facts, some of which they verbally agreed to earlier in your conversation, they will respond to in roundabout ways.
Jws know how harsh and inhumane shunning is, they are reluctant to let the public know about it so they sugar coat as much as possible. They lay it at your feet by saying it's voluntary.
Thanks again Lloyd for once again proving that JWs have a very difficult time defending their beliefs when presented with thought provoking questions. Cart witnessing is all about an easy way for average JWs to count time. Never EVER will you see a GB member manning a cart.
I agree that it is an easy way of getting time, but it is mind-boggling that they have to "qualify" for the "privilege" doing cart witnessing.
Lol, next up we will see Tight Pants cart witnessing on JW Broadcasting. You can be sure he'd be there for all of five minutes!
@@Ballykeith The only Cart Witnessing Tony does is at the local Liquor King(🎶hicc!)😉🤣🤣
I have heard every single of those lines before but never realised how much this cult relies on repetition and cliches.
It's strange, isn't it, how much of their entire catalogue is just repeated phrases.
Really interesting how he chickened out about armageddon. I bet he thought the 'human hot dog' idea was a little too on the nose. 😁
Yes, he really did not want to describe the people dying all around in millions and being left for the birds. I could almost hear his brain working out a get out plan.
I was watching the last episode just yesterday looking forward to the next. Here it is…thanks lloyd for your hard work. Greetings from mexico
Absolutely incredible the way they reason…. Thanks for the pointed questions…..Love it Lloyd….
More of these please! Lol. Handled beautifully! And made him squirm more than a little and use avoidance when addressing the 'disconnection' questions! One could call the reply lying or deception on the Elder's part.
It's gonna be harder for him to churn out more of these as they will surely catch on to him and have warnings plastered all over their KH saying avoid this man at all costs.
The "don't let him get up to any nonsense" bit - beautiful. That is some dark humour there.
Lloyd, stoked to see you posting more videos like this! always loved the Disney one and can't find anyone else doing SE with JWs. Keep up the great work brother
Amazing series! Keep these episodes coming!
How can JWs sell such a distorted image of their religion? When I used to preach to others, I was completely honest about religion, I really didn't see any problem with disfellowshipping, Maybe because I was a kid, but anyway... Not even in my later years as a JW, with more indoctrination skills, did I apply this "ends justify the means" logic.
Your questions got tough and he bowed out of the conversation 😂😂😂
Also, he blatantly lied about the shunning!! Great conversation Lloyd. Thank you for outing them with their lies and manipulation tactics!!
Listening to him not answering your questions reminds me of the old days....not answering questions in the same way
Wow the mental gymnastics describing disfellowshipping. Such a loving arrangement smh.
Kind of hilarious to see how completely off book many of these answers were. These brothers and sisters clearly don't pay enough attention on the ministry school sections each week
These are so fascinating Lloyd, I’ve often wanted to go and have a friendly engagement with the people cart witnessing and try and catch their eye but they usually seem to be chatting amongst themselves. It’s only a matter of time before you are on some sort of “wanted” posters in every Kingdom Hall 😂
Wow, Great interview Lloyd. The Elder came over to help out his poor "Sisters" who were overwhelmed by your Evolution reasoning. I was having 'Flashbacks' as it's so hard to defend the JW's ridiculous teachings. I just wanted to count my "Time" and get out of there.
Jdubs will never openly admit to shunning. Had I known of this despicable doctrine prior to my baptism, I'd never have gone through with it. My baptism should be officially annulled on the basis of been deceived under false pretenses.
Funny the elder who was speaking to Lloyd should bring up "having no natural affection" as one of the signs of the last days', Jdubs are fulfilling bible prophesy.
You do realize that could be applied to most people's baptisms, right? I certainly don't remember all those questions in the Lamp book addressing any aspect of what would happen to a baptized person being punished for perceived wrongdoing.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that his followers honor and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father.
The Creator KNOWS that JWs, Born Agains, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, etc. who believe and preach the lies, deceits, and false teachings of the anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders of all Religions about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity"", "Rapture", and "reincarnation" are under the authority, power, and control of his enemy, Satan the Devil.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, sickness, and deaths is the Creator's honor and reward NOT for atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions but ONLY for loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to his God-given authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
Believers of Jesus Christ KNOW that the teaching of the Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
You actually made it all the way to baptism without knowing that? That's incredible. I knew just from being born in and seeing it play out for decades and having my own family members be disappeared. I never realized that studying in would never cross that subject.
@@Eric_01 nope, my study teacher never breathed a word about shunning. Sure she brought up the disfell’d arrangement to keep the congregations clean, but shunning never came into it. I would've been in a good 10 yrs when I got reprimanded for talking to a disfell’d member who was required to attend meetings if they hoped to be reinstated. I had no clue I wan't allowed to talk with that person...I was shocked to say the least.
morningglory9288.
You do realize that your baptism into this Cult, means absolutely nothing, Right?🤔
These are Con Men using the facade of Religion in order to get Rich and gain Narcissistic Control and Power.
They have Zero Credibility or Validity.
They are neither Legally or Morally Equipped or Accredited.
Just go about your life as you see fit, guiltlessly and mentally free.
They can only have Validity and Control in your life, if You let them.
It was all FRAUD, So don't let them continue to dupe you or Intimidate You.
Brilliant! You were throwing every scientific tidbit at him you could and he was just brushing them off.
I love the way the Witness talks about the last days (as quoted in Timothy) as the days we are in right now. It's nothing more than oral sleight of hand
Exactly as I always said. It's always the last days.
What the end look like? You got him! Ha ha ha! He cannot answer you with this question. He knows how horrible the scene will be.
Cracks me up when Lloyd ask a question about what the end looks like, and the elder didn’t want to answer for fear of giving Lloyd “spiritual indigestion”. LOL!!!! JWs will come up with any excuse in order to avoid answering the tough questions.
I have often wondered what happens inside kingdom halls. Seems that only after being disfellowshipped I have started to learn.
LE: I'm interested in knowing what the end actually would look like. So let's say the end has arrived, I'm here in London, what am I seeing?
JW: Ok ... I tell you what, you've got a lot of questions. The best thing would be to have a bible study. 😅
Haha 😂
Flagrant lying to help get you hooked. Bait and switch anyone? GREAT video, well done!
Lloyd, I loved it when you told the sister not to let the elder get up to any nonsense.
What a disingenuous tact! "Spiritual indigestion" What a Con man style! Instead of being straightforward and telling Lloyd that THE END means the destruction of all non-Jehovah witnesses, and leaving JWs. Great thanks Lloyd.
It’s so amusing how they skip through Armageddon
Croatian media business, making educational videos. 😂. Love it!
Haha, it's all true! 😉
My God! A typical jw whose pants is on fire. Was it he who acted in movie 'Liar Liar'?
Felt good to hear this, thank you Lloyd & Tibor 😊
What a loving provision from jehovah to have Lloyd expose the lies😅
So many lies in the Jehovah witness people’s mouth, and they actually believe in their own lies . It is appalling…
THE REAL, RAGING, and EXISTING BATTLE TO THE DEATH ON PLANET EARTH -
The Creator and His Christ
VS.
The worthless and foolish Satan the Devil and his worthless and useless Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism
ETERNAL LIFE and existence for the VICTORS
ETERNAL DEATH, just worthless and useless dusts on earth for the VANQUISHED
The VANQUISHED -
Atheists, Agnostics, JWs, Born Agains, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, SDAs, Hindus, Baptists, Catholics, all fanatics of all religions who are boasting and claiming that the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are worthless and useless are nothing but shameless and foolish human beings who are just bringing upon themselves their own sufferings, pains, disgrace, dishonor, downfall, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
The VICTORS -
Worshippers of the Creator and believers of his Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and Resurrection of the Dead" who rejected Satan's Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism as nothing but worthless lies, deceptions, and foolishness will be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful planet earth without worthless and foolish atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, criminals, murderers, arrogant, cruel, and hateful persons.
"Enjoy life forever" the ultimate trap and a big lie.
Its a good thing you put the filter on I could almost feel his nose growing with every lie!
Lloyd, it was really unfortunate at the 24:30 mark in the video that you had to bleep out the audio for several seconds at the end of your conversation. I did not think that an elder could be capable of swearing at someone who is interested in the good news. He must of realized who he was speaking to for such awful language to be uttered from his own lips!
Listening to the video, the elder wasn't swearing at Lloyd, he was giving Lloyd his phone number. Lloyd has bleeped out any spoken information in the video that could be used to identify the JW's he was speaking with.
Amazing how he is lying about disfellowshipping
Best comedy ever, thank you 😊
Lloyd is wicked. He made minced meat out of the poor man. The man relented eventually. Some witness for jehovah. The poor chap did not know who he was up against. 🤣🤣🤣
They must never get any questions back at all. Those were all softball tosses.
Such a great example of how they dodge directly answering about shunning. That was perhaps the most illuminating episode yet. Thanks for sharing this video!
Love these videos!
I wonder if that’s Northernden assembly hall he was talking about, where he did his training, I was there myself around that time.
I’m an exjw doing my minor at uni in theology. This morning we had class in Catholic canon law, particularly dealing with penal law and excommunication. I cannot believe how incredibly similar the explanation the secular priest gave of excommunication vs this elder and disfellowshipping. But oh no, they’re nothing alike.
She calls in reinforcements....so when challenged they don't know how to answer....really!!!!
Well done, wonderful episode!
How do they get away with claiming they are 'Publishers'. They haven't 'Published' anything. That is done at the Bethel or what's now relocated in Essex. Since when did standing next to a cart quality as Publishing
19:35 a man begins to drown. 19:45 he screams for help. Lloyd I can promise you this man did not sleep that night. Good god man, you were just crraannkking on his gears so hard. Nevermind planting a seed, I think you planted the whole garden in that one. Nevermind spiritual indigestion, this is making me sick.
So he didn't want to tell you that Jesus would come riding from the sky on a horse, holding a bow and arrow.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that his followers honor and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father.
The Creator KNOWS that JWs, Born Agains, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, etc. who believe and preach the lies, deceits, and false teachings of the anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders of all Religions about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity"", "Rapture", and "reincarnation" are under the authority, power, and control of his enemy, Satan the Devil.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, sickness, and deaths is the Creator's honor and reward NOT for atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions but ONLY for loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to his God-given authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
Believers of Jesus Christ KNOW that the teaching of the Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
Gosh, you’re so cool about this. I don’t think I could walk up to a member of my former religion and talk to them like that without losing my nerves… balls of steel.
The sun will also not last forever
Will take an exceptional intervention by Jehovah to keep refueling our star.
It's difficult as I feel anger toward the organisation, but can see that these women are as enmeshed in the lie as I was. I think we all bear some responsibility for the falsehoods and nonsense we peddled and am glad that the one person I introduced to the cult, was wise enough to leave after a relatively short time.
‘You Can Enjoy Life Forever’ WOW! What an advertising sales pitch. They certainly have a lot to live up to and prove after that statement!
Jam's forever tomorrow until the believer dies.
Oh Loyd! I love ya mate, you are so gifted & funny, I always avoid witnesses, but wonder how many ex JW's will apply this, we all have this confidence to talk to anyone, I feel lots of us will be applying your actions from this video Mr Evans ha ha ha ha ha 🤣🤣😃 xx
Thanks Jane, that means a lot! Part of the reason for me doing this series apart from showing the lies and evasion is to show ex-JWs that there IS a way to engage with JWs without there being any confrontation or animosity. 🙂
The end times are so horrifying you'll leave confused with indigestion. Better take it in small doses. unreal
Wow
Spiritual Indigestion can be fixed with reason and skepticism
what a waste of a persons life to waste it on religion. What has religion done for humanity.
He's "got all the time in the world" until you start asking some probing questions. Telling.
Or until Lloyd would be destroyed by a hail fireball.
That was a Great video
Thanks for all you hard Work !!!
Answering just like a politician by not answering the question.
"it depends on when mental health becomes a problem for me" savage lol
I have to say I really appreciate your video. I’ve seen a few people try and do those and they approach jws with hatred or try to steam roll them. You were calm collected and straight to the point. Class to a T!
Thank you! I'm glad you think so!
It makes me so angry how they blantantly lie. They say Satan is the father of the lie, they must be his children.
Question, On the new Same Sex Marriage Bill, what are the JWs going to do when a Br or Sr marries same sex? Disfellowship them? They'll be sued. Can't shun them, lawsuit. Ignor them? The Congregation will start talking...
Linda R Gianoly,
If a JW did get legally married to another adult of the same sex, they would still get disfellowshipped. The same-sex marriage bill in America that was just passed, if that's what you're referring to, doesn't cover getting to stay in one's religious community if one's religious community has a homophobic "no sexually active gays who are in a same-sex relationship with another consenting adult are allowed in our exclusive club, whether they're legally married to their same-sex partner or not; and no transgender people who have undergone a sex change operation or who dress and groom in a style that doesn't match their physical sex can join our exclusive club either...because our literal interpretation of the Bible says so" rules, unfortunately.
Suing one's congregation or the Watchtower Society wouldn't do any good. The JWs do have the legal right to exclude LGBT folk who choose to embrace and express their sexuality or gender identity from having an active membership in the Jehovah's Witness community. No, I don't believe it is right that LGBT people who decide to embrace and express their sexual orientation or gender identity are discriminated against by the Witnesses when it comes to the JWs' membership rules; I don't agree with that idea in any way, but that is a right the Witness community has--even though I think it is entirely wrong in every way imaginable on a personal level.
Interesting. Hadn’t thought of that …
I know of a couple of ex-jws who are now gay.
They left the org well before they had relations with their same sex partners.
With the new law it would be well within their rights to sue if the org would try and DF them
They'd be disfellowship before the marriage happened.
@@lindaturner5929 I'm dying to see how they spin it. It could be the parting of the Red Sea!
During the video about "what happens in the kingdom hall", when the question was asked, you should dub in some crazy sacrifice 😜
I'm sold Lloyd
The more I think about it, I would want to ask one of these folks to explain why they believe what they believe. If they answer by asking me to read a book (the Bible or otherwise), I would refuse that and say I want them to explain specifically why they believe, and convince me that it makes sense. Make them think a little more about their own case...perhaps lead to some harder questions.
"It's more than just one day", Lloyd: "How many days then?" Cheeky.
This video reminds me very well of being a JW and being confronted with straight-forward questions and feeling like I need to hide what I believed the “truth” was to bait them on the attractive parts. Of course living forever in paradise sounds good! But, you can’t tell them God will destroy them. It’s not part of the sales pitch! lol
What the JWs didn t show in the video is:
Like many others, I was excommunicated and then I was attending the meeting during 9 months to get reinstated. During these 9 months they never talked to me. Sometimes I was coming with my baby and they came and talk to him but never to me. This is so crazy when I m thinking about that. In the video they could have put an excommunicated guy in the kingdom hall and show that nobody was greeting or talking to him, why not? That s a true fact, that s happening all the time! They never understood love one another, John 13:34
Everyone dies so NO haha quality 🤣🤣
I'm from Croatia in media in education 🤣
love it Lloyd 😎
These videos are currently my favorites, even if the interlocutors are not always so easy to understand (English is also not my mother tongue, I come from Germany).
' We have all the time in the world ' ??...Not according to Stephen Lett he doesn't !
That "Christian" just straight up lied to Lloyd about disfellowshipping and how it works. I think Jesus would completely agree with that kind of deception.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that his followers honor and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father.
The Creator KNOWS that believers of the lies, deceits, and false teachings of the anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders of all Religions about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "Trinity"", "Rapture", and "reincarnation" are under the authority, power, and control of his enemy, Satan the Devil.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, sickness, and deaths is the Creator's honor and reward NOT for atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions but ONLY for loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to his God-given authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
Believers of Jesus Christ KNOW that the teaching of the Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
Yes, and they justify it by calling it "Theocratic Warfare"! If you have to resort to lying and trickery in order to bring people in, you. Do. Not. Have. The. Truth!
@@jaflenbond7854 You absolutely have a right to your beliefs as others have to theirs.
This guy is such a liar 😂. In my personal situation, I'm disfellowshipped and can't talk to any of my family and friends.
Where's the choice? Yes, I made the choice to get baptized, but I did it to get married and thought I would never leave (my entire extended family are jws).
The control the organization has is just scary.
People like this lie to get you to join, and when they get someone to join, they get a pat on the back. It's sad.
Me too what a lie that are trying to sell to lonely souls .You should watch The dark history of JWs on YT if you haven't already
@Karen Moody I could check out out. That was always a tough thing about leaving, as an adult in society how to make friends not from the congregation 😂.
@@brendanfoster8308 I think there's some support groups on YT and maybe try a church ,most people in the church are not like the JWs want you to think at least they help in the community with homeless shelters etc
@@brendanfoster8308 It would be easier if you were able to have the time and freedom to be yourself to discover your own interests and passions when in theJWs. Us 'worldy' people meet other people that way. Having a common interest can be a strong, natural and easy starting point for a friendship. JW's have the common ground of being JWs. It's similar for non-religious people, but more individualised and authentic!
@Daniella McGee Yes, that is true. I grew up in a small town also so it was already very isolated. It took me a long time to even develop proper social skills because my congregation was full of old people and my cousins and my brother.
I finally figured out how to make friends outside the congregation, I found some fellow nerds 🤓
The best part of this whole debacle is Lloyd saying "yeah...OK...right OK...oh really...interesting...fantastic...is that right"!!
Lol...I really couldn't listen to the other nonsense really!😖😤
Note: Excommunication is specifically not a punishing act, but a curative act. The idea is to show the culprit the consequences of their actions and give them cause to repent and return… so basically what he described there.
Great interaction. They are definitely well rehearsed on what to say and do. Now this setting here is what they call the Special Metropolitan witnessing work. They have several people all who serve in one capacity or another. My daughter was telling me how they do it. It's different from just seeing a couple of people with a cart. You brought up some good points but really the best people to approach any witness with a cart is an ex JW, because we will ask the right questions to bring out their failures.
Can you pls consider putting english subtitle Lloyd 😊 i can't clearly hear and understand what their talking, anyway always watching ur videos here from philippines! 🇵🇭🥀
Lloyd, u broke the elder. His threshold for lying to your face was exceeded... Now he gonna have spiritual flu or, Jehober forbid, spiritual-something-19.
excelent elder, if an elder is making you a lot of trouble imagine a missionary or a branch committee member. You beliefs are so easy to debunk with a well prepared jw.
The ones I see in my local town always look very dejected & sort of resigned to not having anyone come up to them.. 😕
There are a couple of women on one cart that sort of abandon it & just spend the day chatting to each other on a nearby bench.
I would love to know the stats as to how many people do actually approach them & conversion rates (if any) etc.
The end has arrived I'm here in London what am I seeing ?.....Sam Heard in his Gladiator sandals and kilt , riding his heavenly chariot sword in hand coming at you full pelt ??....The thought of that almost makes me want to join !
Lmao. I'm hoping he keeps his underpants on 😲
If he took his underpants off , everybody would die !!!.....Of laughter !!
These videos are great at exposing the deceptive nature of JW's. I hope they become a regular part of your channel. Showing the quotes from their own literature as they try to avoid direct questions is very helpful to show non JW's what they are really about. Being deceptive.
This was handled so well Lloyd. It did grind my gears a bit when he was responding to you about the disfellowshipping. okkkk then bud...(me rolling eyes...ughh)
..."no collections are ever taken." ?? Right. Just your soul.
Thank you for these videos Lloyd! Seeing JW’s out right lie about their practices is a great way to expose them further.
It's so telling that there are certain answers they won't give outright, but offer a bible study instead of answering
Lot's of questions I would have ask him, one of which is: How do you honor Jehovah? His reply should include : making petitions to him, giving him all honor, and praising and thanking him in our prayers ( see The Watchtower, January 2, 1994, page 10 ).
Then I would ask him to read John 5:23 which says one should honor the Son AS they honor the Father. This leads to the second question: Do you honor Jesus as you honor the Father as scripture says one should do? If not, why not?
Arrogant, cruel, and hateful human beings will never KNOW and understand that -
1. their Satanic arrogance and foolishness in mocking, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will just result in their own sufferings, dishonor, disgrace, downfall, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
2. ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, sickness, and deaths is the Creator's honor and reward NOT for arrogant, cruel, and hateful persons but ONLY for loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to the God-given authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
3. loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership, authority, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ, the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler.
@@jaflenbond7854 Watchtower said “Jehovah commands ALL to worship Jesus” (Watchtower, November 15, 1939, p 339). Another question to ask: do you always do what Jehovah commands?
@@TruthHasSpoken You are talking about LIARS, arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions who are boasting and claiming that -
1. the Creator is useless and not worthy to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God
2. Jesus Christ is useless and not worthy to be honored and obeyed as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
You are NOT talking about loving, kind, and respectful human beings who are honoring and obeying the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ.
So, just face the TRUTH -
ETERNAL DEATH -
LIARS, arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, JWs, Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons, Muslims, Baptists, etc. who are mocking, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ are nothing but worthless and foolish human beings who are just bringing upon themselves their own sufferings, downfall, disgrace, shame, and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth -
Loving, kind, and respectful human beings who honor and obey the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will be rewarded and honored with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful planet earth without atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and criminals.
@@jaflenbond7854 "Jesus Christ is useless and not worthy to be honored "
Such Satanic, evil spout that contradicts scripture. I'll go with scripture not anything from the evil one:
_so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father_ (Jn 5:23)
Spiritual indigestion lol. Reminds me of when we use to get spirituality high 💨