I've seen dozens of 1/2 ton truck towing videos. I think yours is the best due to the way in which you explain things step by step and in layman's terms, making it easy to understand. Thank you!
Watching this video I thought to myself how he really does an incredible job explaining all of this. Then I saw you are a teacher and now it makes perfect sense. Thank you!
Rving has something for everyone. For myself. It made memories for the family at one point. Now it's just my wife and myself. We live in our travel trailer. It's a great way to save money and see the country. Safe travels, friends.
I’ve been towing a 7,000 lb enclosed trailer with an F150 for the last 7 years. Typically about 6,000 miles a year. Two things that helped tremendously- 1) high quality leaf helper springs on the rear axle - got rid of the droopy rear end, and 2) 10-ply tires off an F250 running 80psi - huge improvement in stability, and cooler running tires.
Dude just use a weight distribution hitch itll get ride of the sag😂 you have too anyhow for any hitch weight over 500lbs, snd youre limited to 5000lbs with out one
This is one of the best maybe the best videos I have ever seen! I'm not even sure if the information is accurate but the layout is fantastic! No drama no humor no dogs no pets no food, just practical necessary information! You didn't waste our time! Life is short! Thank you so much!!!!
@@TwoTravelingTeachers you guys should teach others how to do videos! I don't know how you would do this without sounding like a know-it-all .... But, you might know, your teachers
We did our research for nearly 2 years before buying our first camper which weighed 7,500 loaded, and opted for a F-150 3.5L ecoboost back in 2015 for my wife. It towed absolutely fine except when winds were 15mph or above, and felt squishy, or trucks would suck us in when they passed. Last year it was time for me to buy a new vehicle and went with a 2022 F-350 SRW 7.3L. It is an absolute night and day difference. I added some additional strapping under the fresh water tank, and now can carry full water with ease.
Waaay too long for a half ton truck. If you have any wind at all it will be a nightmare even with the best hitch you can buy. Stick to around 25-27’ max for a half ton. Lots more to think about than just the weight of the trailer.
Have you ever thought about changing your valve stems to steel instead of rubber? Ive seen in reviews, where the extra weight of the sensors can cause the rubber stems to fail. My TPMS manual suggests to use steel stems.
I haven’t really thought about it and haven’t had a problem so far, but you’re not the first to mention it. Now I’m thinking I need to address this ASAP. Thanks for the advice.
Pulled my 7000# travel trailer (32.5' ball to bumper) on various weekends, occasional camping vacation with an '18 F-150 (2026# payload limit). Never exceeded any limitations (weight, payload). Decided to buy an '22 F-250 (7.3L gasser). The first time pulling that same travel trailer with the F-250 was like night & day vs the F-150. Stability is much better. Much more relaxed, comfortable tow. Now I fully understand why 85+% of the trucks in a typical RV camp ground are HD trucks. HD trucks just handle the weight so much better (same equal-i-zer weight distribution & anti-sway hitch used on both trucks).
I’ve never towed with a bigger truck, but I’ve told my wife that the next truck will be a bigger truck. Our payload margins are too thin and our next rv will probably be a 5th wheel. Thanks for watching our video and commenting.
Great video! Many people make a quick assumption on a truck just because it is a 1/2 ton or Superduty etc. But I have seen Superdutys have so little payload due to options that they would be very close. Education like you are giving is so much better than those out there that say you need to buy a 2500 and you will be fine! PAyload is soooooo important as well as axles.
@27dmarshall And did the 150 have the same load rated tires as the 250? Probably not. Tires make a big difference in how a truck feels when towing , more stabil
Youre the kind of guy I respect on the road. Because, like me, you not only travel safely towing for you, but you actually care what happens to the next guy should you not be towing within specs. Great video
Wow ,after all the videos I’ve watched where they start screaming about I am going to kill everyone on the road because I tow with a 1500 ,I admit that I was impressed with you and your explanation of the weights you need to know to pull whatever you tow with whatever vehicle you have. Having a 2500 or 3500 does not make you immune to overloading your vehicle,Regardless of what some channels tried to make me believe without actually looking at what my truck ratings are I had to spend days trying to get the information I needed to see if I was ok with my setup,and yes I am . I basically run the same sit-up as you have ,furrion camera,tpms with temp readings weight distribution with sway control but I have a weighbetter weight system that tells me the weight of the tung and optional weight distribution ,not as accurate as a cat scale but will get you close enough you will probably not have to make any adjustments when you weigh ,it’s not perfect but for $75 I like it. A huge thank you for not taking the weight police stance and actually teaching people how to get the numbers for there vehicle because every vehicle is different and ever trailer is loaded different even if they look the same . You got a sub for this one for sure 😊
So there's something very important to consider when towing that was left out. Even if your numbers work out for your specific vehicle it might not tow what you're trying to tow well. This is officially true for smaller vehicles. There are a lot of campers out there that are short but are full height and width. The wind drag on a short light camper will be basically the same as the wind drag on a large heavy camper if the frontal cross section is similar. At speed it is that wind drag that is the primary determining factor of how much power it takes to pull the trailer. So essentially you could be within the weight rating of your vehicle and still have a really hard time pulling the trailer as those ratings don't take into consideration the wall that you're dragging behind you. Another thing to make sure that you're aware of is that again even if you're within your weight rating if your trailer weighs more than your tow vehicle especially if your tow vehicle is shorter you can get in a situation where the trailer can have influence over where the tow vehicle is going also known as wagging the dog. Finally again especially for smaller vehicles if you're getting close to the tow rating you probably aren't going to be having a good time as Even if the vehicle is technically rated to pull that much weight it's probably not going to have enough power and/or brakes to make for an enjoyable experience.
Thanks for the video!! I also have an F150 and just purchased a 22RBE. I bought the camper in Branson Mo and gave the truck a real work out - pulling the camper through the Ozark hills. After watching your video I'm going to go find a Cat scale and weigh the rig. Thanks again for posting the video.
My friend started in 2012 with a '12 F150 Eco towing a 2012 34' Rockwood with a stone island and all the rest at 8500-9000lbs. He swapped up to a 350 diesel 1 year later. I got a '17 F350 gas (3:73) in '20 along with a 7000lb GD Imagine. No issues towing up or braking down the hills. Braking on the downhill is my friend's reason for sticking with diesel. He's up to an 11k 5th wheel now so he should stick with the diesel, but at my weight, diesel would be overkill, especially when considering how I drive the truck short distances the rest of the year. Impressive video. Your 150 is perfect for your situation.
Started out towing our 22 ft. 5k North Trail with a 2022 Ram 1500, 5.7 Hemi. Plenty of power but on busy interstates got a lot of buffeting from semi's, not to mention those days when the wind is blowing hard. This can be very stressful towing a heavy/large camper. Switched to an F250 Super Duty. Completely different experience! Modern 3/4 ton pickups are built for hauling and towing. Once you experience the difference, you'll never go back to towing a heavy trailer with a half ton truck. I realize everyone can't afford a new truck, but if you plan to be on the road a lot, it's definitely worth looking into. Just a safer, and more enjoyable way to get to your destination. My opinion. Love the video because it shows how to tow safely, and efficiently if you do have a half ton, which is the most important thing after all.
I had the same experience with a 21 BigHorn. 392 axel 33 gallon tank. Towing a Cougar 22RBS 5500 empty 6400 loaded with water the Ram sagged like crazy even with EQ hitch. Installed timbrens and got 10K bars for my hitch and improved the situation but you could still tell the truck was overloaded. Front tires were hot from so much load transfer and trailer frame had alot of stress as well. Funny this truck was rated to tow 11K.
Best, most easily understandable video on this topic. I never even knew a non-commercial trucker could use CAT scales. That would ease my mind a lot. I like how simple you explained things with no crazy humor, stupid music or other distractions. I was completely attentive the entire video.
Something to keep in mind, is that GCWR is also very important as well. This will typically limit the tow capacity as well. For your example if you maxed out your GVWR on the truck your overall tow limit would be reduced as well. In the newer tucks with might higher GCWR's over the older truck, its easier to stay inline. While you are explaining this on a half ton truck, this is were people with larger travel trailers and or 5th wheels can get into trouble using larger trucks. In Texas for example if the GVWR of the truck plus the GVWR of the trailer exceeds 26,000 lbs and the trailer is over 10,000 lbs you must have a non-commercial class A license as well. I am sure many people don't realize this. A real world example is if you have a F350/F450 with a GVWR of 14,000 lbs only leaves you with a trailer of 12,000lbs left before the new license is required, which is pretty easy to do in many 5th wheels or large travel trailers. Also many insurance companies won't pay out if your overweight or don't have the correct class of license and there was an accident. We live in such a sue happy world now any defense attorney would have a field day with this too. Just have to be safe out there. Great overview and hopefully people will understand better, instead of the oh yeah I can haul a 45' 5th wheel with my 1/2 ton truck, it works great, here hold my beer I will show you mentality. 🤠👍
Thank you so much for your comment. You make some excellent points and I hope others will read your comment. The half ton trucks’ payloads are so low that most 1/2 truck owners would exceed payload before towing capacity. I wanted to be sure to emphasize this in our video. Thanks again and happy trails.
If you care, there is more that goes into this that meets the eye. Ram has the heaviest built gas motor for towing in the 6.4l. The mew Ford has a lot of issues and gm is owned by china, so that's out. I did a ton of research and got mine a few months ago. The 6.4l has completely forged internals throughout the motor. The hp and tq look lower on paper, but youvget the tq much lower rpm, you won't notice it. They do this for long term abuse. I've seem guys running hot shot loads of 15 to 20klbs for 400k miles and have no issues. They use the same transmission as the red eye and demon along with the valves. The rear and drveshaft are the same as the cummins. The entire truck is over built. You have to get at least a 2500 to get that motor. My payload with a megacab, bigger than the crew, is 3,200lbs. 1/2 ton trucks are NOT made to tow on a regular basis. They will wear our much faster. This is all brands, especially the eco boost. You're asking a 6cyl to do what a bigger bore 8cyl should be doing. If he had a ram, he'd have all of the tire pressure monitoring and all of the oil, Trans, water, etc Temps right on the dash infront of your face. A diesel is a good option, but I daily drive mine amd didn't want to deal with dpf crap. If you don't use it hard, your injector will crud up. Gas was the better choice for me, and Ram had the best drive train for gas motors, and it's not even close. I only have 2k miles on it, didn't tow for the first 500, and still have 1200 miles towing. Like I said 3,200lbs payload and 18k towing with the 4.10 rear option. I don't even notice the horses are back there. This opens you up to gooseneck and 5th wheel campers. This gives you more room. Brand new on the way home I babyed it at got 12mpg. Like I said, this motor is heavy and needs break in time. I'm up to 18mpg now. (Not towing). I'll continue to increase until I hit about 5k mi. Being easy I'll be close to 20mpg. Towing I was horrible at first with 9 to 10mpg. I'm now up to about 13.
I have a 14 f150 5.0 7700 lb towing cap tow a 24 foot tt, 5000lb loaded. Tows great, get great mpg. The wind is the issue. Never had sway in 2 cross country trips. But i shut er down with a strong head or sidewinds it just cost too much gas and it can feel sketchy.😊
Awesome video guys! As a family that travels with a travel trailer we have seen so many people on the road that clearly don’t know what they are doing with their hook up. You did a great job explaining it all!!
I’m glad to know there’s an app for that lol. You guys rock! I’m looking into a new F-150 now and ready to get out of this diesel tank. My back can’t take all that bouncing around anymore time to enjoy the open road and tow still with ease
Just bought a trailer very comparable to yours. We are also in Colorado, living at high altitudes. I drive a Tundra. Thank you for this video as I am picking the camper up this week and leave for Texas the following for the eclipse. The first leg is from Colorado Springs to Raton NM. I mention this because on this leg, my wife’s 97 year old mother will be riding with us. I have really been concerned that her extra weight will affect us( she’s under 100 lbs) In Raton she will continue the journey in a car meeting us there. I don’t plan on taking a generator or anything else of significance. So, after watching your video, one of hundreds, I am feeling more comfortable. Thank ya again and happy camping!
I don’t know the particulars of your truck or trailer, but it sounds like you’ll be traveling light, so I’d think you should be fine. Good luck…safe travels, and thanks for watching! ~Two Traveling Teachers
I have the 2020 4x4 Factory Max Tow Package, 20inch wheels and I bought 10 ply tires n tossed the highway tires…I tow a 2016 Jayco Eagle TTrailer . I do use 2 friction sway bars. Pulls fine, but I drive 55mph when towing
I tow with a 2011 f150 ecoboost with amax tow package. My biggest concern is not power or towing stability, it's downhill travel. You cannot rely on engine braking to check your speed, so you have to use common sense and drive like you would drive a semi. Maintain a proper speed at the beginning and its no big problem. I have taken my kodiak 221rbsl down the Coquihalla twice and it has not been an issue, mind you I try to keep below 100kmh till I am past the snowshed and beyond. You never know when you are going to have to stop on that grade.
We tow our 30’ bumper pull RV with a 1/2 ton Silverado, but we have a lake 20 minutes from our house. If I were traveling the country I’d use a 3/4 ton. I also don’t tow over 65mph, pulling is easy, stopping is the challenge.
Thank you for providing a detailed video in “Kitchen English” for all to comprehend. What was best for me was your CAT scale data, especially for the travel trailer. You included the dry weight (with only batteries and propane tanks) then the weight with what you plan to travel with and that was below the magic 6000lb number for most 1/2 tons, midsize trucks and SUV’s with weight distribution setups. Once again, great presentation!
Very well done video, thank you. As you mentioned, everyone's situation is going to be unique and what *I* noticed was that you covered nearly everything very well but did not discuss tongue weight. For the past five years, some of which full time, I have pulled a 42' fifth wheel with a Ford 1-ton diesel dually. A while back I saw an Imagine 22 MLE and was impressed. I started thinking about downsizing. A few months ago I set off on what became a 5,000 mile journey with the fifth wheel, during which I got tired of towing the behemoth, not fitting into RV Parks and backing into tree branches. I contacted the dealer who sold me the fifth wheel... and also sold pickups... then went to see him. I was concerned about returning to towing a travel trailer, specifically sway, and feeling like you're headed for the rhubarb every time a transport passed. I wanted to be way within ALL the limits but many travel trailers, including the 22MLE, have a tongue weight of 490# (empty) with a truck max tongue weight of 500#. For me, that was too close so I found a different floor plan with a lower tongue weight. It became a moot point, though, as we couldn't work a deal on a half-ton so I'm pulling a 27' TT with a dually. Once again, an excellent video. Thank you.
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate your constructive feedback and helpful comment. BTW- the max tongue weight for my truck hitch is: 500lbs for weight carrying hitch and 1320lbs for weight distribution hitch. This is one of several reasons I suggested in the video that people need to consider a weight distributing hitch with sway control. Again thanks for watching and commenting.
I've watched a couple of your videos, and they've been very helpful for a relative newbie. Axle ratio makes a huge difference in towing capacity. I had a 1/2 ton Ram 5.7L, and capacity was only 8000 lbs due to a 3:21 ratio. Payload was about 1500 lbs. Although our camper is only 4100 lbs, that truck always felt like it was struggling when towing, and mileage was abysmal. Recently traded for a 3/4 ton w/ 4:10 gears, and towing mileage is actually a hair better. Non-towing mileage sucks- as you might imagine- but all capacities are over double of the previous truck, so we can easily upgrade to a larger trailer in the future if desired.
You’re right about the axle ratio. Also, it’s probably better/safer to have a little more truck than you need. We’re probably going to upgrade to a one ton truck followed by a larger trailer. Thanks for watching and happy travels!
It's important to note that the reasons that there are weight limits on these vehicles is not just because of the engine power. It actually has much more to do with the transmission and brakes as well. You can tow something that is far over capacity for a truck for many miles just fine, but you will end up wearing out your entire drive train much faster and likely your brakes as well.
2019 F150, 2.7, 10spd auto, L9 rear axle & a class 3 receiver. 1837lbs max payload. Trailer: Oliver Legacy Elite 3600lb dry weight / 5000lb max loaded weight. We plan to travel with tanks dry. Trailer length bumper to ball 18.5' Trailer width 6.5'. Trailer height 9.5' VERY few miles The truck, per Fords online specs as equipped (above) can handle a 700lb tongue weight. I have no easily accessible CAT Scale nearby but will drive to find one. Good weekend trip any way! The entire setup is not long at all. Maybe 36' max. I noticed that your CAT Scale video mentioned using all three sections of the Scale. We have towed it a total of approx 1300 miles & with our Anderson WDH, the narrow trailer width the setup is very stable. We travel light. I see some time at the CAT Scale getting the entire setup weighed but would love to get the truck & trailer weighed separately. Do you know if these Scale operators (if not to busy) would allow this? I think we're good on truck, payload, tongue weight & trailer weight. I just want to be sure.
You could pull your truck and trailer through the scale and then find a place to unhitch your trailer (some locations have large parking areas where you could probably do this). You could then put just your truck on the scale. The second weighing is less than the first. The first weighing is about $13 and the second weighing is about $5.
This was a good video. Very good information. I pretty much knew it because I’m a retired truck driver so I rarely go more than 100 miles from my house. I park at the woods for three months a year. Happy trails!
Very well done video. We had the same dumb luck when buying our truck and trailer: F 150 ecoboost with max tow and a Lance 2375 trailer. I use the CAT scales regularly to check my weight distribution system for accurate setting. My F 150 tows very well but I'm still considering a 3/4 ton for increased payload capacity and more stability in high wind conditions. Safe travels!
I agree. My F 150 tows my trailer just fine, but I’d like to upgrade to a 3/4 ton truck to give me a greater margin. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Hi Paul, how does the lance 2375 tow with an F150. I looked at it as an option but thought the GVWR of 8400lbs was too much. I have a 2023 F150 with the mid point tow package. I think it’s 11200lbs I’d be interested to hear from you on the type of towing, distances travelled and fuel use looks like.
Thanks for the education. I am researching campers in anticipation of making a purchase before my upcoming retirement, and I would like to say, DAY-YUM!!. It's not worth the risk and hassle, not to mention the potential liability issues. My mind is now made. I will be sticking to tiny campers under 2500 pounds.
depending on who all is going to be going camping with you ?, then yeah..stick with a small camper !. some things to consider: not all camp sights allow large campers, going through mountains will kill your tow rig quickly !, mpg will be almost none. there will be white knuckle moments you will hate !..lol. the list goes on an on. i down graded to my 18 ft sunlite classic, rear door, single axle, pretty sure it tops out close to 3k ?, i easly pull it with my 1/2 ton chevy, reg cab, 2wd, tow package, 3.73 gr, wd hitch, sway bar..no issue what so ever. yes..its a small camper ?, but its only me most of the time. ( got it for the deer woods for the most part ). it can even be pulled without the wd ?, but !!!..i'd rather be safe knowing how some drivers are on the freeway..lol. and yes..i do have a electronic brake on the dash.
What's your payload sticker say mine is 1900lbs I also use the Helwig rear sway bar and 2,500 lb helper springs along with the E Rated Cooper HT 3 tires iRun 62 PSI when towing seems to work the best anymore makes for an unhappy tow I usually gain 4 to 8 PSI when towing. I also use the Curt truetrac 4 point weight distribution hitch works well.
I tow a 32ft keystone Laredo with a F150 4x4 quad cab with the trailering package.3.5 Ecoboost.I bought those same snap on mirrors. I pulled the Lake Charles bridge with no problem
This is a great video explanation of properly towing with any truck, but especially a half ton and double especially with towing high profile, enclosed type trailers. All trailers and trailer weights are not equal and your approximately 6,000 pound RV gives an entirely different towing experience as compared to an open trailer weighing 6,000 pounds. So good job.
I towed my Grand Design Imagine went over mountain passes in Colorado. I put air bags and weight distribution and away bars on Ram 1500 with Hemi and did fine. But if you went into strong wind could maintain speed limit and when 18 wheelers passed it was more exciting than should have been. Bought Ram 2500 diesel and don't even know trailer is back there. So yes I did it with half ton that worked hard but no comparison to a three quarter ton that pulled it effortlessly.
one thing you need to discuss is tonque weight for a bumper pull. My grand design trailer tonque weight exceeded the max tonque weight of my 3/4 ton although my GVWR was not exceeded. You can't gain more by upgrading the hitch to a greater weight rating. There is a great video Big Truck Big Rv on actual weighed tongue weights on rather light trailers that my 3/4 ton would not have been able to tow.
i pull a 7000 GVWR Nash with a F150 eco boost engine. When properly loaded to capacity attached to a weight distribution hitch, I have no issues to date. That’s pulling from the Midwest to the front range of the Rockies. I only have 1550 max cargo capacity, so I pull with the truck bed virtually empty.
Lots of info to digest , we pull a 2022 Rockwood Mini Lite 2205s camper with our 2021 F150 Lariat , 3.5tt with a 3:31 axle . our payload is 1679 lbs. and tow cap is 12,000 lbs. our trailer empty is 5020 lbs. when fully loaded with equipment and my wife and i we are comfortably under our trucks payload and the trailer doesnt come close to the max payload when full. our truck pulls confidently with this setup and we are comfortable using this setup .
Great, great video and thorough explanation. I guess school was in session. I am actually looking at the Flagstaff sister to the 2205S and was worried. Just the wife and one dog, no kids. I believe we will be okay after watching all this video. The CAT scale app has been downloaded and we are heading over tomorrow AM for our first weight of the truck to understand part one first. Thanks!
great job, so many people do not understand how to see if they are overweight. all they think is if the truck can tow down the road and up the hill. and most people do not know that if in an accident and it is determined you were overweight your insurance company will likely not cover any damages to your rig and others.
Enjoy your videos. My setup is pretty much identical to yours with regards to the trailer, truck and weight distribution hitch, gps and tire monitoring system. We got our 2021 22MLE in November 2022 and are looking forward to our first trip. I was concerned about my trucks ability to safely tow the trailer in the mountains. This video helped ease my fears. Thank you
@mikeryan 🎯. I made a comment that people’s focus should be first ‘can my truck stop my rig’ and not ‘can my truck pull my rig’. The hosts of this channel get that and are cautious but you get that as Tom Petty sang “Coming down is the hardest thing.”
Also wasn’t to check your tires load capability. I have tires that have a pressure range from 40/80 psi and there is a chart for them base on axle weights to set tire pressure
'18 F150 3.0L Power stroke and my numbers are: Steer axle 3900lb Rear 3800lb 7050 Gross I have lot more room on the steer axle. I have my weight distribution to the max to throw the weight to the front...
Great video! This was very helpful for us. We have a 2020 F150 3.5 with max tow, (very similar #'s to yours actually.) And we just bought a 2022 30' bh250 travel trailer. After seeing a bunch of videos and forums I was getting very nervous if we made a poor decision. The dry weight says 4,850lbs and GVWR is 6900. It's just 2 of us and our dog, so we travel pretty light. We also only do long weekend trips. I hope everything is good to go! According to some spreadsheets we found online, we should still have around 400lbs of payload remaining. (That is after 2 people, all of our gear/supplies, clothes, and food, and our dog.) We also have a weight distribution hitch for it. Thanks again!
A lot of these “timers” on here are stuck in the 80s. Half ton, 3/4 ton and 1 ton don’t really apply anymore. My half ton tows as much as a 3/4 ton did 7-10 years ago. I’ve towed 9K with my F150 through the mountains of Kentucky and Tennessee.
In most cases it is not towing capacity that is the limiting factor, it is payload capacity or GVWR. My F-150 towing capacity was 11,700 lbs, and my F-250 towing capacity is 12,500. However, the payload capacity on my F-150 was 1560 lbs while it is more than double that at 3270 lbs. on my F-250.
Thanks so much for your comment. I agree that the margins are pretty slim on the half ton trucks. I generally add up the weight of all passengers and cargo before loading and then pull through a scale to be sure.
@@TwoTravelingTeachers It's slim on all trucks until you get to 1 ton. An SUV can tow a lot, but it can't haul heavy payloads like a truck. Campers are both towing and hauling at the same time. Most people take their entire family and cargo which raises the payload numbers very quickly. Whereas work trucks are only single passengers/drivers, and they might tow rocks, tools, and mulch in a low profile trailer compared to an 11ft RV.
Superb video! The most neatly presented and interesting info I never knew wanted to know! Have no idea why it showed up in my recommended, but subscribed.
Great video and information. Getting ready to retire form the military soon and had no idea where or how to start thinking about RVs. Really helpful info!
Very informative. Does anyone have the F150 with XL tires? If so what pressure do you keep them at (all 4) and did it help with sway? Thanks in advance!
Enjoyed the video, I have a similar rig but a little heaver. My truck is a 2016 F150 3.5 eco with 3.55 rear end Max tow package and 2038# payload. I also run Michelin Defender 10 ply tires the RAS HD active suspension. I also invested in the Pro pride 3P hitch that was a game changer. My Imagin 2670mk going down the road is around 8000#. When I bought the trailer, I already had the truck, so we went with the floor plan we liked and could stay in for extended time. The tires the hitch and RAS Suspension made towing with the F150 more comfortable for us. It would be nice to have the F250 and perhaps if they get reasonable again, we will look into one. We travel 5 to 6 months at a time and in mountains and so far, we have managed with the F150.
I agree, a bigger truck would be nice but I’m glad I can make my F-150 work. Maybe one day I’ll be able to afford a heavy duty truck. 😄 Thanks for watching and your comment.
I would find the GVWR for the trailer I'm interested in and calculate15% of that to determine the weight added to the payload of my truck (20% for 5th Wheel). The GVWR for the trailer can be found on a sticker on the side of the trailer or can be found online. I would use this calculated weight to shop for trucks. Just look in the doorjamb of the truck you're interested in and find the payload. Subtract the calculated weight from the payload to see how much payload is left for passengers and gear. You would want to leave yourself with plenty of payload left after you estimate the weight of passengers and cargo. To be safe I would look for a bigger truck. I would also consider the weight of the trailer and match it with the towing capacity of the truck, but in most cases you'd overcome your payload before overcoming towing capacity.
I've towed two different bumper pull travel trailers with two different vehicles. The first was a 4300 empty weight Coachman Catelina lite 26QB that I also pulled with an 01 Explorer Sport. It had the power to pull it, but even with a weight distribution hitch and sway control it was still scary. Then I pulled it with my first pickup a 12 Ram 2500 crew cab 4x4 with 6.7 Cummins and G56 manual. The different was beyond huge, stability, power etc. The 2nd travel trailer (and one I have currently) is a 35 ft (ball to bumper) 7800 lb Denali that while I can tell it's behind the pickup isn't out of control at all. Waiting on it to warm up and see how my F-250 7.3 Godzilla powered Tremor does pulling it but I'm sure will be even better than the Ram (F-250 has the same 1 ton suspension as an F-350 Tremor, just derated on payload by Ford).
You should be looking at the label in the door jamb that shows "carrying capacity or payload", this is the weight number spec allowed for your specific vehicle
Great video and a hello from a fellow RV family from Monument. Really appreciate the CAT Scale content so now I know how to cruise down to the the Pilot and weigh ourselves next trip out! We just got our first travel trailer and it’s the Grand Design Imagine 2800BH and we’re towing it with a 2019 Toyota Tundra. Thanks again!
Excellent video with great and practical explanations. I am just now retiring and plan to do some RV'ing and this video was very helpful to me. Keep up the great work!!!
Very good video! Thank you for the clear content and help with understanding the importance of safe towing. Question for you, what make and model dash camera are you referring to in the video?
This video is invaluable. I don’t own a travel trailer yet but I will look into renting a couple that’s similar in weight and size of the ones I’m interested in and take them to the Cat scales. I wish I could “test pull/haul” RV’s at a dealership but they don’t seem to be too interested in that.
Thank you so much for watching our video and commenting. If you’re shopping and want to know if your truck will work with the trailer you’re interested in, take 15% of the trailer’s gross weight. You should be able to find the gross weight of the trailer model online or on a sticker on the trailer. Subtract this weight (15% of gross weight) from your truck’s payload (also found on another sticker in the door jamb of the truck). This will tell you how much weight is left for passengers and cargo. When doing this I’d be sure to leave a little safety margin. Good luck and safe travels.
How you load your trailer and pick up truck is just important as load limits. Usually the front truck axles can take more weight... shove your weight forward. Adjust your water tanks, black and grey tank. I only carry 10 gal of fresh water and the grey and black are empty. Pack the day before you leave and go to a CAT TRUCK WEIGH SCALES 😂and weight total truck and trailer together. Then weigh split trailer axles and at the same time weight rear truck axle. The total of those three axles subtracted from the first truck and trailer combo weight will give you your front axle weight. All axles should be under recommended manufacturer's weight limit chart.
We've towed a 26 ft. travel trailer with our half ton Silverado for 16 years now without incident. We use a Reese Dual Cam weight distribution system that not only levels everything out, it also prevents the dreaded big rig sway. Switching from P-Rated tires to 10 ply LT tires was the biggest change that improved towing. The real safety issue with half ton towing is braking. Half ton brakes are not designed for towing, so make sure you have a very good brake controller and that it is set to use the trailer brakes effectively. Nothing is more frightening than having your trailer push your truck right thru an intersection. Definitely follow GCVWR guidelines. The 85% rule is a good yard stick to go by. Also, don't be afraid to rev that engine...gas burning V8s make their power in the 4000 RPM range, so you will spend ample time in that band going uphill. It's designed to do that and it won't hurt your truck, but it can be nerve wracking.
If you regularly frequent mountain travel I'd be very leary of towing that much weight trusting a factory brake controller. Regarding LT tires I virtually eliminated the sway from passing semi's. I attribute that to maintaining the same front axle weight towing as unladed and of course the LT tires. I nailed it. My previous tow vehicles were 2500 series and I have less sway with my 1500.
@@cruze1953 I agree 100%. Since I first posted that my beloved 2006 silverado 1500 got stolen and totaled. I now drive a 2016 2500hd silverado with that trustworthy 6.0 in it, so towing is a bit less complicated LOL. But I miss that old truck.....339,000 miles without a single problem.
Very good explanation. You pointed out at one time you were very close to being over weight, your trailer is a very light trailer, right at 6K if I remember from the vid, think about the number of combinations you have seen on the road that must have been way over!! If your happy with your truck I would recommend a switch to 10 ply or more tires, you will be amazed how much more comfortable you will feel when big trucks pass or in windy conditions.
Informative video on half ton trucks and towing. Thank you for the understandable verbiage. I appreciate these tutorial types of videos. Take care and safe travels. Dave.
Sold and helped installed trailer hitches, 5th wheels and goose necks for 17 years. We did a lot of work for the local dealers they would always tell the customers that the truck the customer was buying could tow anything. Had a customer come to our store one day with a new Ford Explorer Sport Trac ( the one with the pick up bed ). Customer said he wanted the largest trailer hitch we could put on the Sport Tac. Asked him what he planned on towing. He told me a 4 horse trailer. Told him his new truck could not handle that large of a trailer and load. He insisted and we got requested hitch and installed it. A month later he came back with a Ford F350 for a trailer hitch.
I think you hit the sweet spot with the 22MLE on the F150. We have 2 Great Danes so we went with a 26DBH and it makes me a little nervous. Our F150 has plenty of power but we’re pushing the limit on the payload capacity. Not to mention I have a leveled suspension and squishier off-road rear shocks. I’m not used to travel trailers so it could be normal but I felt it moving us around pretty good going 65mph (it was also a windy day.) And the rear sag is a little concerning, even with a WDH. I’m going to play with it to see if I can get the truck a little more level.
I think so too. As I said in the video, when we bought the truck we had no idea about payload, GVWR, etc. We just got really lucky. This truck has worked well with this trailer for 3 summers and thousands of miles of towing. One day we will upgrade, but until then it's nice to know we can safely and comfortable tow our trailer. Thanks for watching and sharing your comment. ~Two Traveling Teachers
I tow a 21' Keystone with a 2022 Colorado Z71 Crew Cab 4x4 with zero issues. I do use a good weight distribution hitch and have the Chevy towing package and trailer brake system. Our camper comes in loaded about 5100 LBS. I don't think that I would feel comfortable pulling more for a long distance with our truck safely. We are upgrading to a 2500 Chevy HD and a fifth wheel in 2024.
Good video. You do have to watch these truck dealers and Rv dealers. They will push that GCWR/Towing capacity. While it is very important for lateral movement, GCWR-curb weight/ payload capacity is where travel trailers and fifth wheels hit their max. Motorhomes with a toad are kinda the opposite. GCWR, is crucial, since Toad supports its own weight.
I've seen dozens of 1/2 ton truck towing videos. I think yours is the best due to the way in which you explain things step by step and in layman's terms, making it easy to understand. Thank you!
Wow, thanks! Your comment is really appreciated.
Nice job. Thanks
Well, that because they’re teachers!!! I’m a teacher too, so I can see how they structured this video like a lesson plan. 😂😂😂
Absolutely right, we just bought the 2019 version of this same truck. This information is pure gold, thank you.
Watching this video I thought to myself how he really does an incredible job explaining all of this. Then I saw you are a teacher and now it makes perfect sense. Thank you!
Thank you for the kind words.
Cheers!
Rving has something for everyone. For myself. It made memories for the family at one point. Now it's just my wife and myself. We live in our travel trailer. It's a great way to save money and see the country. Safe travels, friends.
I’ve been towing a 7,000 lb enclosed trailer with an F150 for the last 7 years. Typically about 6,000 miles a year. Two things that helped tremendously- 1) high quality leaf helper springs on the rear axle - got rid of the droopy rear end, and 2) 10-ply tires off an F250 running 80psi - huge improvement in stability, and cooler running tires.
Thank you for sharing this information.
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If you used a weight distribution hitch- which you need for a trailer over 5000lb- you wouldn’t have that “droop” in the rear
Dude just use a weight distribution hitch itll get ride of the sag😂 you have too anyhow for any hitch weight over 500lbs, snd youre limited to 5000lbs with out one
Absolutely, a WDH with sway control is even better.
Man this old timers are serious about their stuff respect! My man respect! Thank you!.
Thank you
This is one of the best maybe the best videos I have ever seen! I'm not even sure if the information is accurate but the layout is fantastic! No drama no humor no dogs no pets no food, just practical necessary information! You didn't waste our time! Life is short! Thank you so much!!!!
Wow, thanks! We appreciate you watching our video and commenting.
@@TwoTravelingTeachers you guys should teach others how to do videos! I don't know how you would do this without sounding like a know-it-all .... But, you might know, your teachers
Yeap no pets no kids just straight to the point video and clear instructions. Fantastic! Gave a like
We did our research for nearly 2 years before buying our first camper which weighed 7,500 loaded, and opted for a F-150 3.5L ecoboost back in 2015 for my wife. It towed absolutely fine except when winds were 15mph or above, and felt squishy, or trucks would suck us in when they passed. Last year it was time for me to buy a new vehicle and went with a 2022 F-350 SRW 7.3L. It is an absolute night and day difference. I added some additional strapping under the fresh water tank, and now can carry full water with ease.
I have a 2014 f-150 ecoboost. We’re about to hit our first camper , probably a coachmen Apex 300bhs that weighs 7600 loaded.
Waaay too long for a half ton truck. If you have any wind at all it will be a nightmare even with the best hitch you can buy. Stick to around 25-27’ max for a half ton. Lots more to think about than just the weight of the trailer.
@@BoomBoomSoon you are welcome to your own opinion. However wrong it may be.
@@WittFam After a couple of trips I went with a weight distribution hitch and a sway bar from harbor freight. The trail pulls so much nicer now.
Have you ever thought about changing your valve stems to steel instead of rubber? Ive seen in reviews, where the extra weight of the sensors can cause the rubber stems to fail. My TPMS manual suggests to use steel stems.
I haven’t really thought about it and haven’t had a problem so far, but you’re not the first to mention it. Now I’m thinking I need to address this ASAP. Thanks for the advice.
Pulled my 7000# travel trailer (32.5' ball to bumper) on various weekends, occasional camping vacation with an '18 F-150 (2026# payload limit). Never exceeded any limitations (weight, payload). Decided to buy an '22 F-250 (7.3L gasser). The first time pulling that same travel trailer with the F-250 was like night & day vs the F-150. Stability is much better. Much more relaxed, comfortable tow. Now I fully understand why 85+% of the trucks in a typical RV camp ground are HD trucks. HD trucks just handle the weight so much better (same equal-i-zer weight distribution & anti-sway hitch used on both trucks).
I’ve never towed with a bigger truck, but I’ve told my wife that the next truck will be a bigger truck. Our payload margins are too thin and our next rv will probably be a 5th wheel. Thanks for watching our video and commenting.
Great video! Many people make a quick assumption on a truck just because it is a 1/2 ton or Superduty etc. But I have seen Superdutys have so little payload due to options that they would be very close. Education like you are giving is so much better than those out there that say you need to buy a 2500 and you will be fine! PAyload is soooooo important as well as axles.
@27dmarshall
And did the 150 have the same load rated tires as the 250? Probably not. Tires make a big difference in how a truck feels when towing , more stabil
Youre the kind of guy I respect on the road. Because, like me, you not only travel safely towing for you, but you actually care what happens to the next guy should you not be towing within specs.
Great video
I appreciate that! Thank you.
Wow ,after all the videos I’ve watched where they start screaming about I am going to kill everyone on the road because I tow with a 1500 ,I admit that I was impressed with you and your explanation of the weights you need to know to pull whatever you tow with whatever vehicle you have. Having a 2500 or 3500 does not make you immune to overloading your vehicle,Regardless of what some channels tried to make me believe without actually looking at what my truck ratings are I had to spend days trying to get the information I needed to see if I was ok with my setup,and yes I am . I basically run the same sit-up as you have ,furrion camera,tpms with temp readings weight distribution with sway control but I have a weighbetter weight system that tells me the weight of the tung and optional weight distribution ,not as accurate as a cat scale but will get you close enough you will probably not have to make any adjustments when you weigh ,it’s not perfect but for $75 I like it. A huge thank you for not taking the weight police stance and actually teaching people how to get the numbers for there vehicle because every vehicle is different and ever trailer is loaded different even if they look the same . You got a sub for this one for sure 😊
Thanks so much for watching and your comment …. oh and subscribing! It’s greatly appreciated! 🙂
So there's something very important to consider when towing that was left out. Even if your numbers work out for your specific vehicle it might not tow what you're trying to tow well. This is officially true for smaller vehicles. There are a lot of campers out there that are short but are full height and width. The wind drag on a short light camper will be basically the same as the wind drag on a large heavy camper if the frontal cross section is similar. At speed it is that wind drag that is the primary determining factor of how much power it takes to pull the trailer. So essentially you could be within the weight rating of your vehicle and still have a really hard time pulling the trailer as those ratings don't take into consideration the wall that you're dragging behind you.
Another thing to make sure that you're aware of is that again even if you're within your weight rating if your trailer weighs more than your tow vehicle especially if your tow vehicle is shorter you can get in a situation where the trailer can have influence over where the tow vehicle is going also known as wagging the dog.
Finally again especially for smaller vehicles if you're getting close to the tow rating you probably aren't going to be having a good time as Even if the vehicle is technically rated to pull that much weight it's probably not going to have enough power and/or brakes to make for an enjoyable experience.
First thing I did to my F-150 was got good 10 ply tires and upgraded the brakes to tow brakes.
This was the most informative video that broke it down so it finally clicked for me. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
Thanks for the video!! I also have an F150 and just purchased a 22RBE. I bought the camper in Branson Mo and gave the truck a real work out - pulling the camper through the Ozark hills. After watching your video I'm going to go find a Cat scale and weigh the rig. Thanks again for posting the video.
Thanks for commenting! The 22RBE is a great floor plan; awesome kitchen and bathroom. Happy travels!
My friend started in 2012 with a '12 F150 Eco towing a 2012 34' Rockwood with a stone island and all the rest at 8500-9000lbs. He swapped up to a 350 diesel 1 year later. I got a '17 F350 gas (3:73) in '20 along with a 7000lb GD Imagine. No issues towing up or braking down the hills. Braking on the downhill is my friend's reason for sticking with diesel. He's up to an 11k 5th wheel now so he should stick with the diesel, but at my weight, diesel would be overkill, especially when considering how I drive the truck short distances the rest of the year. Impressive video. Your 150 is perfect for your situation.
Thanks for sharing.
Started out towing our 22 ft. 5k North Trail with a 2022 Ram 1500, 5.7 Hemi. Plenty of power but on busy interstates got a lot of buffeting from semi's, not to mention those days when the wind is blowing hard. This can be very stressful towing a heavy/large camper. Switched to an F250 Super Duty. Completely different experience! Modern 3/4 ton pickups are built for hauling and towing. Once you experience the difference, you'll never go back to towing a heavy trailer with a half ton truck. I realize everyone can't afford a new truck, but if you plan to be on the road a lot, it's definitely worth looking into. Just a safer, and more enjoyable way to get to your destination. My opinion. Love the video because it shows how to tow safely, and efficiently if you do have a half ton, which is the most important thing after all.
You have made some good points. We’re definitely thinking about upgrading to a 3/4 ton truck. Thank you for watching our video and for commenting.
I had the same experience with a 21 BigHorn. 392 axel 33 gallon tank. Towing a Cougar 22RBS 5500 empty 6400 loaded with water the Ram sagged like crazy even with EQ hitch. Installed timbrens and got 10K bars for my hitch and improved the situation but you could still tell the truck was overloaded. Front tires were hot from so much load transfer and trailer frame had alot of stress as well. Funny this truck was rated to tow 11K.
Best, most easily understandable video on this topic. I never even knew a non-commercial trucker could use CAT scales. That would ease my mind a lot. I like how simple you explained things with no crazy humor, stupid music or other distractions. I was completely attentive the entire video.
Thank you for watching our video and sharing your thoughts!
Something to keep in mind, is that GCWR is also very important as well. This will typically limit the tow capacity as well. For your example if you maxed out your GVWR on the truck your overall tow limit would be reduced as well. In the newer tucks with might higher GCWR's over the older truck, its easier to stay inline.
While you are explaining this on a half ton truck, this is were people with larger travel trailers and or 5th wheels can get into trouble using larger trucks. In Texas for example if the GVWR of the truck plus the GVWR of the trailer exceeds 26,000 lbs and the trailer is over 10,000 lbs you must have a non-commercial class A license as well. I am sure many people don't realize this. A real world example is if you have a F350/F450 with a GVWR of 14,000 lbs only leaves you with a trailer of 12,000lbs left before the new license is required, which is pretty easy to do in many 5th wheels or large travel trailers.
Also many insurance companies won't pay out if your overweight or don't have the correct class of license and there was an accident. We live in such a sue happy world now any defense attorney would have a field day with this too. Just have to be safe out there.
Great overview and hopefully people will understand better, instead of the oh yeah I can haul a 45' 5th wheel with my 1/2 ton truck, it works great, here hold my beer I will show you mentality. 🤠👍
Thank you so much for your comment. You make some excellent points and I hope others will read your comment.
The half ton trucks’ payloads are so low that most 1/2 truck owners would exceed payload before towing capacity. I wanted to be sure to emphasize this in our video. Thanks again and happy trails.
By far, the BEST video out there for newbies. Thank you.
We’re glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching and your kind comment.
We felt the same way with going with the F150 4x4 as a daily driver and now looking at our options for towing. This is helpful. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and commenting.
If you care, there is more that goes into this that meets the eye. Ram has the heaviest built gas motor for towing in the 6.4l. The mew Ford has a lot of issues and gm is owned by china, so that's out. I did a ton of research and got mine a few months ago. The 6.4l has completely forged internals throughout the motor. The hp and tq look lower on paper, but youvget the tq much lower rpm, you won't notice it. They do this for long term abuse. I've seem guys running hot shot loads of 15 to 20klbs for 400k miles and have no issues. They use the same transmission as the red eye and demon along with the valves. The rear and drveshaft are the same as the cummins. The entire truck is over built. You have to get at least a 2500 to get that motor. My payload with a megacab, bigger than the crew, is 3,200lbs. 1/2 ton trucks are NOT made to tow on a regular basis. They will wear our much faster. This is all brands, especially the eco boost. You're asking a 6cyl to do what a bigger bore 8cyl should be doing. If he had a ram, he'd have all of the tire pressure monitoring and all of the oil, Trans, water, etc Temps right on the dash infront of your face. A diesel is a good option, but I daily drive mine amd didn't want to deal with dpf crap. If you don't use it hard, your injector will crud up. Gas was the better choice for me, and Ram had the best drive train for gas motors, and it's not even close. I only have 2k miles on it, didn't tow for the first 500, and still have 1200 miles towing. Like I said 3,200lbs payload and 18k towing with the 4.10 rear option. I don't even notice the horses are back there. This opens you up to gooseneck and 5th wheel campers. This gives you more room. Brand new on the way home I babyed it at got 12mpg. Like I said, this motor is heavy and needs break in time. I'm up to 18mpg now. (Not towing). I'll continue to increase until I hit about 5k mi. Being easy I'll be close to 20mpg. Towing I was horrible at first with 9 to 10mpg. I'm now up to about 13.
@@sonsofliberty3081 the ford v6 will out tow your dodge with more torque and that peaks at a low of 2700 rpm. We get it that you like your Stellantis
I have a 14 f150 5.0 7700 lb towing cap tow a 24 foot tt, 5000lb loaded. Tows great, get great mpg. The wind is the issue. Never had sway in 2 cross country trips. But i shut er down with a strong head or sidewinds it just cost too much gas and it can feel sketchy.😊
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience! Happy trails.
Awesome video guys! As a family that travels with a travel trailer we have seen so many people on the road that clearly don’t know what they are doing with their hook up. You did a great job explaining it all!!
Thank you so much.
I’m glad to know there’s an app for that lol. You guys rock! I’m looking into a new F-150 now and ready to get out of this diesel tank. My back can’t take all that bouncing around anymore time to enjoy the open road and tow still with ease
Good luck, and thanks for watching.
The absolute best trailer advice I’ve found on RUclips. Thanks!
Thank you so much! We appreciate you.
Happy travels!
A real help in determining tow-ability. Thanks.
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This is one of the best information videos I have seen! Thank you sooooo much!
Thank you for watching!
Just bought a trailer very comparable to yours. We are also in Colorado, living at high altitudes. I drive a Tundra. Thank you for this video as I am picking the camper up this week and leave for Texas the following for the eclipse. The first leg is from Colorado Springs to Raton NM. I mention this because on this leg, my wife’s 97 year old mother will be riding with us. I have really been concerned that her extra weight will affect us( she’s under 100 lbs) In Raton she will continue the journey in a car meeting us there. I don’t plan on taking a generator or anything else of significance. So, after watching your video, one of hundreds, I am feeling more comfortable. Thank ya again and happy camping!
I don’t know the particulars of your truck or trailer, but it sounds like you’ll be traveling light, so I’d think you should be fine. Good luck…safe travels, and thanks for watching!
~Two Traveling Teachers
This is the video I’ve been needing for years. Thank you!
Thanks so much!
Agree
I have the 2020 4x4 Factory Max Tow Package, 20inch wheels and I bought 10 ply tires n tossed the highway tires…I tow a 2016 Jayco Eagle TTrailer . I do use 2 friction sway bars. Pulls fine, but I drive 55mph when towing
I tow with a 2011 f150 ecoboost with amax tow package. My biggest concern is not power or towing stability, it's downhill travel. You cannot rely on engine braking to check your speed, so you have to use common sense and drive like you would drive a semi. Maintain a proper speed at the beginning and its no big problem. I have taken my kodiak 221rbsl down the Coquihalla twice and it has not been an issue, mind you I try to keep below 100kmh till I am past the snowshed and beyond. You never know when you are going to have to stop on that grade.
Easy Sub. No fluff, filler or BS.
Thank you!
I tow an Imagine 26 with my F-150 and it tows great. I did put airbags in the rear springs and use a good WDH.
Bill, you can tow with an F-150 if the numbers are right. Thanks so much for your comment. Safe travels!
Thank you for the explanation for the truck towing capacity. My dealer just gave me a round number without specification. That is a big help
Glad it helped. We appreciate you watching and commenting.
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~Two Traveling Teachers
We tow our 30’ bumper pull RV with a 1/2 ton Silverado, but we have a lake 20 minutes from our house. If I were traveling the country I’d use a 3/4 ton. I also don’t tow over 65mph, pulling is easy, stopping is the challenge.
A bigger truck is always better for towing.
Thank you for providing a detailed video in “Kitchen English” for all to comprehend. What was best for me was your CAT scale data, especially for the travel trailer. You included the dry weight (with only batteries and propane tanks) then the weight with what you plan to travel with and that was below the magic 6000lb number for most 1/2 tons, midsize trucks and SUV’s with weight distribution setups. Once again, great presentation!
Thank so much!
by far the best vid i have seen explaining this to people. well done sir.
Thank you so much for watching our video and your kind comment.
I liked how you pointed out how the Scale System works with the GVWR and roads you shouldn't be on due to GPS'.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
Very well done video, thank you. As you mentioned, everyone's situation is going to be unique and what *I* noticed was that you covered nearly everything very well but did not discuss tongue weight. For the past five years, some of which full time, I have pulled a 42' fifth wheel with a Ford 1-ton diesel dually. A while back I saw an Imagine 22 MLE and was impressed. I started thinking about downsizing. A few months ago I set off on what became a 5,000 mile journey with the fifth wheel, during which I got tired of towing the behemoth, not fitting into RV Parks and backing into tree branches. I contacted the dealer who sold me the fifth wheel... and also sold pickups... then went to see him.
I was concerned about returning to towing a travel trailer, specifically sway, and feeling like you're headed for the rhubarb every time a transport passed. I wanted to be way within ALL the limits but many travel trailers, including the 22MLE, have a tongue weight of 490# (empty) with a truck max tongue weight of 500#. For me, that was too close so I found a different floor plan with a lower tongue weight. It became a moot point, though, as we couldn't work a deal on a half-ton so I'm pulling a 27' TT with a dually.
Once again, an excellent video. Thank you.
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate your constructive feedback and helpful comment.
BTW- the max tongue weight for my truck hitch is:
500lbs for weight carrying hitch and 1320lbs for weight distribution hitch.
This is one of several reasons I suggested in the video that people need to consider a weight distributing hitch with sway control.
Again thanks for watching and commenting.
I've watched a couple of your videos, and they've been very helpful for a relative newbie. Axle ratio makes a huge difference in towing capacity. I had a 1/2 ton Ram 5.7L, and capacity was only 8000 lbs due to a 3:21 ratio. Payload was about 1500 lbs. Although our camper is only 4100 lbs, that truck always felt like it was struggling when towing, and mileage was abysmal. Recently traded for a 3/4 ton w/ 4:10 gears, and towing mileage is actually a hair better. Non-towing mileage sucks- as you might imagine- but all capacities are over double of the previous truck, so we can easily upgrade to a larger trailer in the future if desired.
You’re right about the axle ratio. Also, it’s probably better/safer to have a little more truck than you need. We’re probably going to upgrade to a one ton truck followed by a larger trailer.
Thanks for watching and happy travels!
It's important to note that the reasons that there are weight limits on these vehicles is not just because of the engine power. It actually has much more to do with the transmission and brakes as well. You can tow something that is far over capacity for a truck for many miles just fine, but you will end up wearing out your entire drive train much faster and likely your brakes as well.
This is great information! Thanks for sharing.
2019 F150, 2.7, 10spd auto, L9 rear axle & a class 3 receiver. 1837lbs max payload.
Trailer: Oliver Legacy Elite 3600lb dry weight / 5000lb max loaded weight. We plan to travel with tanks dry.
Trailer length bumper to ball 18.5'
Trailer width 6.5'.
Trailer height 9.5'
VERY few miles
The truck, per Fords online specs as equipped (above) can handle a 700lb tongue weight.
I have no easily accessible CAT Scale nearby but will drive to find one. Good weekend trip any way!
The entire setup is not long at all. Maybe 36' max. I noticed that your CAT Scale video mentioned using all three sections of the Scale.
We have towed it a total of approx 1300 miles & with our Anderson WDH, the narrow trailer width the setup is very stable.
We travel light.
I see some time at the CAT Scale getting the entire setup weighed but would love to get the truck & trailer weighed separately.
Do you know if these Scale operators (if not to busy) would allow this?
I think we're good on truck, payload, tongue weight & trailer weight. I just want to be sure.
You could pull your truck and trailer through the scale and then find a place to unhitch your trailer (some locations have large parking areas where you could probably do this). You could then put just your truck on the scale. The second weighing is less than the first. The first weighing is about $13 and the second weighing is about $5.
Great video and great explanation on how to stay within your vehicle weights!
You guys are the best and thanks for watching.
This was a good video. Very good information. I pretty much knew it because I’m a retired truck driver so I rarely go more than 100 miles from my house. I park at the woods for three months a year. Happy trails!
Right on! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Very well done video. We had the same dumb luck when buying our truck and trailer: F 150 ecoboost with max tow and a Lance 2375 trailer. I use the CAT scales regularly to check my weight distribution system for accurate setting. My F 150 tows very well but I'm still considering a 3/4 ton for increased payload capacity and more stability in high wind conditions. Safe travels!
I agree. My F 150 tows my trailer just fine, but I’d like to upgrade to a 3/4 ton truck to give me a greater margin. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Hi Paul, how does the lance 2375 tow with an F150. I looked at it as an option but thought the GVWR of 8400lbs was too much. I have a 2023 F150 with the mid point tow package. I think it’s 11200lbs
I’d be interested to hear from you on the type of towing, distances travelled and fuel use looks like.
Thanks for the education. I am researching campers in anticipation of making a purchase before my upcoming retirement, and I would like to say, DAY-YUM!!. It's not worth the risk and hassle, not to mention the potential liability issues. My mind is now made. I will be sticking to tiny campers under 2500 pounds.
It wasn’t our intention to scare you from towing a larger trailer. LOL You just need a bigger truck. Good luck and thanks for commenting.
@@TwoTravelingTeachers not everyone can afford a larger truck. some of us live check to check, spec with the dummy in the wh..lmao.
depending on who all is going to be going camping with you ?, then yeah..stick with a small camper !. some things to consider: not all camp sights allow large campers, going through mountains will kill your tow rig quickly !, mpg will be almost none. there will be white knuckle moments you will hate !..lol. the list goes on an on. i down graded to my 18 ft sunlite classic, rear door, single axle, pretty sure it tops out close to 3k ?, i easly pull it with my 1/2 ton chevy, reg cab, 2wd, tow package, 3.73 gr, wd hitch, sway bar..no issue what so ever. yes..its a small camper ?, but its only me most of the time. ( got it for the deer woods for the most part ). it can even be pulled without the wd ?, but !!!..i'd rather be safe knowing how some drivers are on the freeway..lol. and yes..i do have a electronic brake on the dash.
What's your payload sticker say mine is 1900lbs I also use the Helwig rear sway bar and 2,500 lb helper springs along with the E Rated Cooper HT 3 tires iRun 62 PSI when towing seems to work the best anymore makes for an unhappy tow I usually gain 4 to 8 PSI when towing. I also use the Curt truetrac 4 point weight distribution hitch works well.
Thanks for watching our video and commenting! My payload is 1783 lbs.
I tow a 32ft keystone Laredo with a F150 4x4 quad cab with the trailering package.3.5 Ecoboost.I bought those same snap on mirrors. I pulled the Lake Charles bridge with no problem
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This is a great video explanation of properly towing with any truck, but especially a half ton and double especially with towing high profile, enclosed type trailers. All trailers and trailer weights are not equal and your approximately 6,000 pound RV gives an entirely different towing experience as compared to an open trailer weighing 6,000 pounds.
So good job.
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I towed my Grand Design Imagine went over mountain passes in Colorado. I put air bags and weight distribution and away bars on Ram 1500 with Hemi and did fine. But if you went into strong wind could maintain speed limit and when 18 wheelers passed it was more exciting than should have been. Bought Ram 2500 diesel and don't even know trailer is back there. So yes I did it with half ton that worked hard but no comparison to a three quarter ton that pulled it effortlessly.
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In Ash vs Evil Dead the main character Ash tows his airstream with his old 1973 Oldsmobile Delta with a V8 engine
one thing you need to discuss is tonque weight for a bumper pull. My grand design trailer tonque weight exceeded the max tonque weight of my 3/4 ton although my GVWR was not exceeded. You can't gain more by upgrading the hitch to a greater weight rating. There is a great video Big Truck Big Rv on actual weighed tongue weights on rather light trailers that my 3/4 ton would not have been able to tow.
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i pull a 7000 GVWR Nash with a F150 eco boost engine. When properly loaded to capacity attached to a weight distribution hitch, I have no issues to date. That’s pulling from the Midwest to the front range of the Rockies. I only have 1550 max cargo capacity, so I pull with the truck bed virtually empty.
Lots of info to digest , we pull a 2022 Rockwood Mini Lite 2205s camper with our 2021 F150 Lariat , 3.5tt with a 3:31 axle . our payload is 1679 lbs. and tow cap is 12,000 lbs. our trailer empty is 5020 lbs. when fully loaded with equipment and my wife and i we are comfortably under our trucks payload and the trailer doesnt come close to the max payload when full. our truck pulls confidently with this setup and we are comfortable using this setup .
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Great, great video and thorough explanation. I guess school was in session. I am actually looking at the Flagstaff sister to the 2205S and was worried. Just the wife and one dog, no kids. I believe we will be okay after watching all this video. The CAT scale app has been downloaded and we are heading over tomorrow AM for our first weight of the truck to understand part one first. Thanks!
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Excellent video! Thank you, and safe travels.👍🏾💙❤️🤍
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Thanks for the great video, you eased my anxiety about going to the cat scale!
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great job, so many people do not understand how to see if they are overweight. all they think is if the truck can tow down the road and up the hill. and most people do not know that if in an accident and it is determined you were overweight your insurance company will likely not cover any damages to your rig and others.
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Great information in this video! Best one yet on towing a travel trailer!
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Enjoy your videos. My setup is pretty much identical to yours with regards to the trailer, truck and weight distribution hitch, gps and tire monitoring system. We got our 2021 22MLE in November 2022 and are looking forward to our first trip. I was concerned about my trucks ability to safely tow the trailer in the mountains. This video helped ease my fears. Thank you
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It’s not pulling up the mountain that creates anxiety for me it’s coming down the mountain.
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🎯. I made a comment that people’s focus should be first ‘can my truck stop my rig’ and not ‘can my truck pull my rig’. The hosts of this channel get that and are cautious but you get that as Tom Petty sang “Coming down is the hardest thing.”
Also wasn’t to check your tires load capability. I have tires that have a pressure range from 40/80 psi and there is a chart for them base on axle weights to set tire pressure
'18 F150 3.0L Power stroke and my numbers are:
Steer axle 3900lb
Rear 3800lb
7050 Gross
I have lot more room on the steer axle. I have my weight distribution to the max to throw the weight to the front...
Great video, I just picked up a Ford F150 XLT with the same specs as yours. I was wondering what I could tow with it. You made it simple. Thanks
Glad it helped. Safe travels!
Thank y'all so much for making this video, it really helped to understand all of the weight ratings and what to look for.
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Great video! This was very helpful for us. We have a 2020 F150 3.5 with max tow, (very similar #'s to yours actually.) And we just bought a 2022 30' bh250 travel trailer. After seeing a bunch of videos and forums I was getting very nervous if we made a poor decision. The dry weight says 4,850lbs and GVWR is 6900. It's just 2 of us and our dog, so we travel pretty light. We also only do long weekend trips. I hope everything is good to go! According to some spreadsheets we found online, we should still have around 400lbs of payload remaining. (That is after 2 people, all of our gear/supplies, clothes, and food, and our dog.) We also have a weight distribution hitch for it.
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Stay away from mountains or you’ll be slowing down to 30-35 mph to keep from overheating
@@SteveFelt67 no kidding !. he'll be lucky if he gets 4 mpg huh ?..lol.
A lot of these “timers” on here are stuck in the 80s. Half ton, 3/4 ton and 1 ton don’t really apply anymore. My half ton tows as much as a 3/4 ton did 7-10 years ago. I’ve towed 9K with my F150 through the mountains of Kentucky and Tennessee.
In most cases it is not towing capacity that is the limiting factor, it is payload capacity or GVWR. My F-150 towing capacity was 11,700 lbs, and my F-250 towing capacity is 12,500. However, the payload capacity on my F-150 was 1560 lbs while it is more than double that at 3270 lbs. on my F-250.
I live in the west. We have rocky mountains.
Very good video. It is so easy to go over the limits due to passengers and cargo.
Thanks so much for your comment. I agree that the margins are pretty slim on the half ton trucks. I generally add up the weight of all passengers and cargo before loading and then pull through a scale to be sure.
@@TwoTravelingTeachers It's slim on all trucks until you get to 1 ton. An SUV can tow a lot, but it can't haul heavy payloads like a truck. Campers are both towing and hauling at the same time. Most people take their entire family and cargo which raises the payload numbers very quickly. Whereas work trucks are only single passengers/drivers, and they might tow rocks, tools, and mulch in a low profile trailer compared to an 11ft RV.
One of the best vids for this
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Great job illustrating what I can and can't tow with my F150. The information was very helpful. Thank you.
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Superb video! The most neatly presented and interesting info I never knew wanted to know! Have no idea why it showed up in my recommended, but subscribed.
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Good advice and info. I always wonder how to weigh truck and trailer.
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Great video and information. Getting ready to retire form the military soon and had no idea where or how to start thinking about RVs. Really helpful info!
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Very informative. Does anyone have the F150 with XL tires? If so what pressure do you keep them at (all 4) and did it help with sway? Thanks in advance!
Enjoyed the video, I have a similar rig but a little heaver. My truck is a 2016 F150 3.5 eco with 3.55 rear end Max tow package and 2038# payload. I also run Michelin Defender 10 ply tires the RAS HD active suspension. I also invested in the Pro pride 3P hitch that was a game changer. My Imagin 2670mk going down the road is around 8000#. When I bought the trailer, I already had the truck, so we went with the floor plan we liked and could stay in for extended time. The tires the hitch and RAS Suspension made towing with the F150 more comfortable for us. It would be nice to have the F250 and perhaps if they get reasonable again, we will look into one. We travel 5 to 6 months at a time and in mountains and so far, we have managed with the F150.
I agree, a bigger truck would be nice but I’m glad I can make my F-150 work. Maybe one day I’ll be able to afford a heavy duty truck. 😄 Thanks for watching and your comment.
Probably the best thing you did to make the 150 a much more capable tow vehicle was to replace stock tires with a good set of 10ply tires.
Yes. Yes it is.
Very informative thanks! Cat scale info was great!
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That's a fine way to see if your existing truck and trailer are suitable, but what is your advice when you are shopping for both and can't weigh them?
I would find the GVWR for the trailer I'm interested in and calculate15% of that to determine the weight added to the payload of my truck (20% for 5th Wheel). The GVWR for the trailer can be found on a sticker on the side of the trailer or can be found online. I would use this calculated weight to shop for trucks. Just look in the doorjamb of the truck you're interested in and find the payload. Subtract the calculated weight from the payload to see how much payload is left for passengers and gear. You would want to leave yourself with plenty of payload left after you estimate the weight of passengers and cargo. To be safe I would look for a bigger truck. I would also consider the weight of the trailer and match it with the towing capacity of the truck, but in most cases you'd overcome your payload before overcoming towing capacity.
I've towed two different bumper pull travel trailers with two different vehicles. The first was a 4300 empty weight Coachman Catelina lite 26QB that I also pulled with an 01 Explorer Sport. It had the power to pull it, but even with a weight distribution hitch and sway control it was still scary. Then I pulled it with my first pickup a 12 Ram 2500 crew cab 4x4 with 6.7 Cummins and G56 manual. The different was beyond huge, stability, power etc. The 2nd travel trailer (and one I have currently) is a 35 ft (ball to bumper) 7800 lb Denali that while I can tell it's behind the pickup isn't out of control at all. Waiting on it to warm up and see how my F-250 7.3 Godzilla powered Tremor does pulling it but I'm sure will be even better than the Ram (F-250 has the same 1 ton suspension as an F-350 Tremor, just derated on payload by Ford).
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You should be looking at the label in the door jamb that shows "carrying capacity or payload", this is the weight number spec allowed for your specific vehicle
You did watch the video right?
Great video and a hello from a fellow RV family from Monument. Really appreciate the CAT Scale content so now I know how to cruise down to the the Pilot and weigh ourselves next trip out! We just got our first travel trailer and it’s the Grand Design Imagine 2800BH and we’re towing it with a 2019 Toyota Tundra. Thanks again!
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Excellent video with great and practical explanations. I am just now retiring and plan to do some RV'ing and this video was very helpful to me. Keep up the great work!!!
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Very good video! Thank you for the clear content and help with understanding the importance of safe towing. Question for you, what make and model dash camera are you referring to in the video?
Here's a link to the Dash Cam: amzn.to/3RuYwyq
I've also put it in the description of the video.
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Good information. Tongue weight is other important factor…
That is true! Thank you for your comment.
This video is invaluable. I don’t own a travel trailer yet but I will look into renting a couple that’s similar in weight and size of the ones I’m interested in and take them to the Cat scales. I wish I could “test pull/haul” RV’s at a dealership but they don’t seem to be too interested in that.
Thank you so much for watching our video and commenting. If you’re shopping and want to know if your truck will work with the trailer you’re interested in, take 15% of the trailer’s gross weight. You should be able to find the gross weight of the trailer model online or on a sticker on the trailer. Subtract this weight (15% of gross weight) from your truck’s payload (also found on another sticker in the door jamb of the truck). This will tell you how much weight is left for passengers and cargo. When doing this I’d be sure to leave a little safety margin. Good luck and safe travels.
@@TwoTravelingTeachers Thanks!
How you load your trailer and pick up truck is just important as load limits. Usually the front truck axles can take more weight... shove your weight forward. Adjust your water tanks, black and grey tank. I only carry 10 gal of fresh water and the grey and black are empty. Pack the day before you leave and go to a CAT TRUCK WEIGH SCALES 😂and weight total truck and trailer together. Then weigh split trailer axles and at the same time weight rear truck axle. The total of those three axles subtracted from the first truck and trailer combo weight will give you your front axle weight. All axles should be under recommended manufacturer's weight limit chart.
We've towed a 26 ft. travel trailer with our half ton Silverado for 16 years now without incident. We use a Reese Dual Cam weight distribution system that not only levels everything out, it also prevents the dreaded big rig sway. Switching from P-Rated tires to 10 ply LT tires was the biggest change that improved towing. The real safety issue with half ton towing is braking. Half ton brakes are not designed for towing, so make sure you have a very good brake controller and that it is set to use the trailer brakes effectively. Nothing is more frightening than having your trailer push your truck right thru an intersection. Definitely follow GCVWR guidelines. The 85% rule is a good yard stick to go by. Also, don't be afraid to rev that engine...gas burning V8s make their power in the 4000 RPM range, so you will spend ample time in that band going uphill. It's designed to do that and it won't hurt your truck, but it can be nerve wracking.
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If you regularly frequent mountain travel I'd be very leary of towing that much weight trusting a factory brake controller. Regarding LT tires I virtually eliminated the sway from passing semi's. I attribute that to maintaining the same front axle weight towing as unladed and of course the LT tires. I nailed it. My previous tow vehicles were 2500 series and I have less sway with my 1500.
@@cruze1953 I agree 100%. Since I first posted that my beloved 2006 silverado 1500 got stolen and totaled. I now drive a 2016 2500hd silverado with that trustworthy 6.0 in it, so towing is a bit less complicated LOL. But I miss that old truck.....339,000 miles without a single problem.
Very good explanation. You pointed out at one time you were very close to being over weight, your trailer is a very light trailer, right at 6K if I remember from the vid, think about the number of combinations you have seen on the road that must have been way over!! If your happy with your truck I would recommend a switch to 10 ply or more tires, you will be amazed how much more comfortable you will feel when big trucks pass or in windy conditions.
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Informative video on half ton trucks and towing. Thank you for the understandable verbiage. I appreciate these tutorial types of videos. Take care and safe travels. Dave.
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A half-ton truck with a GD 22MLE is a good combo.
Very good video!!! Excellent explaining very good.
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Great video, very informative. I have the exact same setup even to the color except my F150 is a 2021. So far no issues what so ever. Safe travels..
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Great video! Only small thing: you might want to have heavy duty valve stems (metal) installed. Those monitors add a lot of weight.
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It is most important to consider cargo capacity in regards to the toungue weight, that will get you every time.
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Sold and helped installed trailer hitches, 5th wheels and goose necks for 17 years. We did a lot of work for the local dealers they would always tell the customers that the truck the customer was buying could tow anything. Had a customer come to our store one day with a new Ford Explorer Sport Trac ( the one with the pick up bed ). Customer said he wanted the largest trailer hitch we could put on the Sport Tac. Asked him what he planned on towing. He told me a 4 horse trailer. Told him his new truck could not handle that large of a trailer and load. He insisted and we got requested hitch and installed it. A month later he came back with a Ford F350 for a trailer hitch.
Great story! Thanks for sharing.
What motor and rear axle gears and mpg? Great video!
Thanks! 3.5 liter ecoboost with 3.55 axle ratio. When towing, we typically got 7-11 mpg
I think you hit the sweet spot with the 22MLE on the F150.
We have 2 Great Danes so we went with a 26DBH and it makes me a little nervous. Our F150 has plenty of power but we’re pushing the limit on the payload capacity. Not to mention I have a leveled suspension and squishier off-road rear shocks.
I’m not used to travel trailers so it could be normal but I felt it moving us around pretty good going 65mph (it was also a windy day.)
And the rear sag is a little concerning, even with a WDH. I’m going to play with it to see if I can get the truck a little more level.
I think so too. As I said in the video, when we bought the truck we had
no idea about payload, GVWR, etc. We just got really lucky. This truck has worked well with this trailer for 3 summers and thousands of miles of towing. One day we will upgrade, but until then it's nice to know we can safely and comfortable tow our trailer.
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I am and always have been in the camp that says it is always better to have more truck than you think you will need.
Exactly
I tow a 21' Keystone with a 2022 Colorado Z71 Crew Cab 4x4 with zero issues. I do use a good weight distribution hitch and have the Chevy towing package and trailer brake system. Our camper comes in loaded about 5100 LBS. I don't think that I would feel comfortable pulling more for a long distance with our truck safely. We are upgrading to a 2500 Chevy HD and a fifth wheel in 2024.
It sounds like we’re on the same path. We’d like to upgrade our truck and get a 5th wheel. That’s probably 1 to 2 years away.
Happy travels!
Good video. You do have to watch these truck dealers and Rv dealers. They will push that GCWR/Towing capacity. While it is very important for lateral movement, GCWR-curb weight/ payload capacity is where travel trailers and fifth wheels hit their max. Motorhomes with a toad are kinda the opposite. GCWR, is crucial, since Toad supports its own weight.
Thank you for your comment. I never really thought about it from the motor home perspective.
Excellent video and great knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
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Great video...
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