Walther PDP Full Lineup Review - Best Red Dot Ready?
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- I provide a detailed look at the different models, features, and performance of the Walther PDP lineup.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:11 - Disclaimer
01:51 - Optic Ready
04:20 - Free Optics Adapter Plate
04:50 - PDP Trigger Assessment and Overview
08:20 - Superterrain Serrations
10:23 - Performance Duty Texture
11:30 - Red Dot Ergonomics
13:36 - Modular Slide and Frame
18:48 - PDP Series and Models Overview
19:40 - PDP 4.5" Range Test
20:36 - Trigger Pull Weight
22:07 - Weight Comparison
22:41 - PDP 5" Match Range Test
24:49 - PDP 5" Match Steel Frame Test
25:46 - PDP 5" Match Steel Frame Assessment
27:07 - F-Series Feature Overview
28:12 - F-Series Range Test
30:26 - 4" Steel Frame Range Test
32:56 - Slide Thickness Comparison
34:50 - Conclusion
35:58 - Overall Rating vs Glock and M&P 
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I have noticed on all Walther reviews, none of you guys have ever talked about the heart of the gun. So here ya go. I'm one of the guys that make this step barrel in the Fort Smith Plant. There is a lot of detail that goes into this barrel and it is unnoticed to the public. It has over a 105 tight dimensions that has to be checked 100% every 5 parts on a CMM machine. The chamber machine work has to be checked 100% on every part. I don't know about other gun manufactures, but I can tell you from hands on this is the best barrel you can get in a gun.
I've watched a ton of reviews on the PDP over 6 months ago before I bought my pistol and I've watched a bunch since and you're right. I have not heard anything about the barrel. Good to know man thanks. I love my pdp. It's my first pistol and since then I've shot a whole bunch of them and none of them feel so good.
The detail work shows.My Walter easily out shoots all my other striker fired pieces.
What can you tell us about the design that makes it “return to zero” better than similar guns?
@@chefmatt6299 Top secret. You should know better than asking that question.
@@JimmyLuffjr Well then perhaps a question you can answer; what do you think of the folks changing the weight of the recoil spring? Good idea or better not to mess with it because of something I may not yet understand? Thinking for competition rounds, not hollows. Also my barrel is noticeably awesome, thanks for your hard work.
Thank you! I am older (70) and have only recently (in the last two years - can you guess why?) become a firearm owner. Upon a recommendation (and without trying it first) I purchased a polymer PDP Compact 4". I love it! I have taken a concealed carry course and a basic shooting course at my local gun shop/range where I purchased my Walther. The instructor there is very experienced and knowledgeable but, he is a total Glock fan boy and spends as much time trying to sell you on the virtues of Glock (EVERY police department in world and maybe other planets use Glocks). No doubt they are fine firearms and are worthy of their reputation but, they are not perfect (no handgun is). I don't engage with him due to my inexperience but, I have watched SO many reviews of the PDP and every single one of them (like YOURS) has only raved about the trigger and ergonomics! Always reinforces my feeling that I made the right choice. Now, I am not a big guy (other than around the waist! lol!) so the PDP was going to be an awkward carry gun, so I purchased a Shield9 Plus OR to carry and am happy with that choice. Since then I have purchased a Walther PPQ M2 22lr for range plinking and working on my technique. I have a long way to go in this journey but, find that people like you and your videos (and I am now following you on Rumble!) provide a lot of great information. Thank you for your service. I too am a veteran. US Navy submarine vet 73-79.
You made an excellent choice.
Glocks are the MOPAR cars of handguns. I EDC my Walther PDP but my home defense is based around Glock's compatibility. If you've ever seen what it's like in a city 5-6days after a storm, no power and minimal cell signal, you'd understand wanting to stage a firearm in various locations of your home. Extar's EP9, PSA's Dagger and my G19 allow me to run a single platform with no stress about remembering what magazine goes with which firearm at 3am
That being said, I much prefer the feel of my PDP. It's a better grip, excellent trigger and a better magwell out of the box. The PDP is not necessarily the "better" gun but it's alot more comfortable to shoot.
@@JKLauderdale I hear you! In fact I am awaiting the arrival of the EP9 I recently ordered. Currently my PDP acts as a Home Defense Weapon and I have gotten an extra 15 round and 17 round magazine for extra capacity.
@@dougt5357 EP9 is a blast to shoot but there's a roller delayed option coming to the States in 2H 2024 for the same price that also runs Glock mags.
I saw it at IWA, middle-eastern company... Ranger Arms IIRC? Regardless, you can't go wrong with Extar's EP9. Mine's been rock solid with well over 1500rds through it
Heads up move. No one's perfect. You fixed it. Keep going with humility, focus, and a sense of mission. Thank you.
Great video. I am always happy you like Walther so much over there. Some freinds of mine work there and built the guns here in Germany. It makes me kind of proud.
I've have REALLY been enjoying your content since I found the channel recently. Just realized you're 45 minutes from me and I'm 100% coming to train!!!
Welcome to the Paramount family! I look forward to meeting and training with you in person!
-Gary
It is well worth the time and money. I flew out from Wyoming to train with Gary and PTS. Needless to say I’m coming back out to take four more classes this summer. You won’t be disappointed
You're so lucky. Would love to train with this guy.
@@paramounttactical How about the 4 inch vs 5 inch steel frames? How do they compare recoil wise and flat shooting?
@@clorofenol the 4inch shoots shockingly flat and you barely feel the recoil. They both shoot very similar to high end equal barrel length 2011’s. Of course the 5” match shouts slightly better but the 4” shoots better than any Glock or other striker fired pistol I’ve shot.
Literally was just talking with my local shop. Either cz shadow 2 usp elite or pdp metal thank you for all the insite 15 mins and im already liking the setups
Gzzzzzz I'm kicking myself in the butt because i just stumbled onto your channel and boy i can tell that you all are thorough just by how detailed you were with this video. I'm instantly a fan and I'm locked in from here on out. Great stuff!!!
Got a PDP compact with the 4" barrel and the Holosun SCS-PDP red dot mounted directly to the slide. Puts a smile on my face every time I pick it up, and one of my most favorite pistols to shoot.
This was a great video extremely helpful. I can’t believe I watched the whole thing. I usually watch about 10 minutes. I have a Walther PDP and it is absolutely amazing. Thanks a lot for your feedback.
great review, thanks for being so thorough in your reviews. Not many gun tubers you can trust these days but I trust your reviews.
Steve Garvey called. He wants his forearms back.😄
Best trigger, most intuitive, best red dot platform, grip texture is as good as they claim, grip angle and hook helps, slide serrations are better= OVERHYPED? Sounds perfectly hyped. Love your channel.
Very informative video thank you. I’ve had my PDP 4” for about 18 months and Walther has earned a lifelong loyalty with this firearm.
Just found your channel. Love your approach and presentation style. Very informative. You got a new subscriber.
wow, this video is exactly what I was looking for! subbed!
I've had my pdp for almost a year and idk how this video came up on my feed but this is a damn good review style video I like this content.
Thanks for watching and glad you found us!
-Gary
I have a Q4SF and have been on the steel frame train ever since I owned it. They released the 4.5inch which is what I have been asking for years. I think that is going to be a pinnacle striker fire model.
Amazing review thank you
you sir, are a top tier reviewer. new subscriber here due to this video. keep em coming. thank you!
This was one great video. I have a PDP compact 4 in and love it. I really want a steel frame. Thanks again for a great video and all the info.
Great review.
To add...
Pdp like the ppq come with the stepped chamber.
The guard around the magazine release is great. Keeps you from accidently palming the magazine out or driving the magazine release into your opposite hand ,keeping the magazine from releasing.
I personally own a pdp 5in full size odgreen and 4in compact. Very reliable and accurate after 5000rd per pistol.
if you have issues with yhe recoil... ZR Tactical has a 15 pound steel guide rod that is sent from heaven.. Makes a huge difference
absolutely love my 4 inch compact pdp
Mainly a CZ guy. Picked up the PDP Pro SD and it's now my nightstand gun. Don't shoot it often but it is an absolute tack driver.
I'm a Walther fanboy so I rock a standard 4" PDP in the winter and carry a PDP F during the spring and summer (3.6") so I of course I love this video
Same (almost)! I switch between the PDP 4in Compact and the PDP-F 3.6. Both great but very different resets. The slide travel on the PDP-F is almost 2x longer than the PDP Compact. I love them both.
Great video !
I have an M&P and a Glock 45 MOS. I love the M&P, but as a leftie I hate the slide release. Also, that trigger is awful and my job doesn't let us modify triggers. I used to hate Glocks but that 45 is so nice, especially with the dot. One of my supervisors picked up the PDP after they told him he couldn't use his P320 and after he let me handle it, my next pistol will definitely be a PDP.
Been carrying a 3.5" F - been thinking it needs a bedside mate. 4 seconds into the video and I know this is gonna get expensive! pressing play>>>
Awesome video
Love the PDP!
This is a great video. What is the Red dot on all these models. Is that your recommendation? Thanks
My first pistol is a PDP-F 3.5. It's my concealed carry EDC. I did some homework and this was the best bet. I really love it and am so glad I have mine. I also have the Halosun SCS PDP optic.
I'm in a similar boat. Did the research and purchased a PDP 4.5 as my first pistol. Waiting for it to be delivered to the shop.
I'd never heard of the PDP, walked in a gun shop I go to all the time down the street 3? years ago, saw the Walther PDP and bought it because It's James Bond's brand and it looked pretty cool. Love it, shoot it all the time, and it's accurate as hell even for my average abilities. Wife just got me the long slide PDP for my birthday. Looking forward to that one. Have lots of cool pistols, cheap ones, way more expensive ones, but I shoot my PDP 70% and the CZ 75 SP-01 20% and the rest I shoot off and on. PDP shoots great with optic, without optic, cheap ammo, more expensive ammo, just shoots nice.
The pdp was not out years ago its only been out 3 years. Those were different modles like the ppq or the p99
@@boomee78 I got it in 2021, 2024-2021 equals 3 years. Got the 5" one this year which is the version 2.0 and has a different optics system. They're both great pistols. Have a Holosun 507 on both, solid system all the way around.
Walther has always been up there near the top. The PPQ was The First Striker Fired Pistol to have a Fully Cocked firing pin. But they got it down right so you dont have to worry about them going off in holster or when dropped. The glock and alot of others have a partially cocked firing pin so when you pull the trigger you finish cocking it. They replaced the PPQ cause it was not OR. The PDP improves on everything, OR, grip, texture, etc., but no more 45acp.
You all should get onto Pepper where a lot of the other gun reviewers and our brothers are.
I’ll look into it.
They have a tendency to get a little over the top with the sales pitch. So, I'll just say the Walther products are the best in every category.
Perfect Insight! I'm getting the PDP Pro SD 5.1 Full Size, but I want the Steel Frame! It's just outside of my budget at the moment... I want it BAD tho! held it when considering the PDP Pro, looked at the wife while holding the steel frame and she gave me the "The look" so I knew it was a no go lol I can't wait to set the money aside for that one tho.
Bought my 1st gun a month back. Went to a highly rated store nearby, and they recommended the Glock 19 and the PDP FS 4.5. After holding both, the PDP felt better ergonomically, and the weight/beefiness felt just right for me. I'm new so I don't know much but after watching your review, I'm really happy I went with the Walther. BUT, now I want the steel ver 😅
Bro, if you can afford it, get the steel with their match trigger. Definitely worth the money, but like all things try it out the range if you can. However, if you are new to shooting, the money is better spent on training and hiring an instructor.
@@resolute123 Appreciate the advice. I will definitely hire an instructor. I've gone through 1000 rounds now and feel great with my progress but I am sure there is so much more to learn that I wouldn't on my own.
very good analysis Thank you for taking the time and share. I have one with Sf and Perf Trigger and love it …. much fun to shoot . The only other 9mm i would call better performing is my Sig 210 but sure it is a 9mm for pression shooting but on that area you still can not beet it… Rg Bernd
I want an F series with a small comp from the factory and the flat face performance trigger and mag well, like the pro sd.
I love my PDP 4” full size. I would definitely add a Zr tactical recoil spring 15lb which helps with the recoil. Pistol is a little on the snappy side with the 19lb stock recoil spring.
I recently got a Sprinco guide rod and recoil spring (red) set for my 4" Compact. Haven't gotten to the range yet to try it out.
The Holosun eps (and probably the eps carry) will co-witness with the stock sights. It’s like a lower 1/10 or something, like the sights are at the very bottom of the optic, but it works and I actually kinda prefer the sight picture. The sights are usable but not cluttering up the optic window.
The kid in the car seat calling B.S. was hilarious! Definitely a future leader of men!
Great content 👍🇺🇸 best out there IMO!
Thank you sir!
-Gary
By far the best Walther review I have ever seen. I have been a long time Walther fan, it is the only one that feels natural in my hand. I have three Walthers, a PPQ, a Q5 Match Steel frame, and a 5" PDP. I agree the steel frame is much easier to shoot and manage recoil. I also agree the grip angle is perfect for red dots. Great video...keep them coming and I will continue to watch. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
Thanks for the review. 1st time to your channel. I'm now following. I've been checking out Walther PDP for a while now but I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Now the steal frame is out, I'll really wanting the 4 in version. If a smaller one comes out, I think it would conceal better with my body type...chunky... the 4 in seems comparable to the Glock 19 I hope. G19 awesome carry choice for me. What dot would you go with for the PDP??? Thanks for the review. I can't wait to see more. God Bless!
For carry/defense, the Holosun EPS.
Thanks for watching!
-Gary
Great video man. Rumble is, so far, being a great platform. I do agree they are a bit clunky.
If I buy a 4in. compact pdp and a performance trigger, does it drop in or how complicated is it to install???
Late to the video but i noticed online the specs for the 4.5 steel and 5.0 steel are the same but the pictures look vastly different (looking at the trigger mostly), any idea if the 4.5 carrys the same trigger as the 5.0 or if its closer to how the 4.0 is? If so 5.0 is where my moneys going, thanks ahead of time
Thanks for such a fair and inclusive review. Out of curiosity, are the SROs your choice and if not, what do you recommend? Thanks again.
That depends. For a gun I’m primarily using for self defense or CCW, I think an enclosed emitter is critical. An enclosed emitter is a significant upgrade in durability, reliability, and will prevent rain, mud, blood, or other things from blocking your emitter or sight picture.
For a range gun, competition… etc. it’s a really good optic. I’d also look at the Holosun 507Comp for a comparable optic with a lot more features and significantly cheaper. It’s what I’m running on my PDP 5 Steel Frame now.
Great video. What holster did you use for the steel frame match 5”?
Dara level II holster.
The Super Terrain serations and The Oversized Trigger Guard are intended to work well with Gloved Hands.
That is on Walther about the frame and slide compatibility. They do need to say a bit better only within a series. I have the 5 inch compact and am thinking of getting the 4 inch model. My biggest gripe is my 5 inch has the 1.0 optic cut that really sucks. No matter what I do my optic comes loose even with blue lock tight. The C and H plate is not great they use without having more engagement with the slide and the gap in the rear.
Really nice, in-depth video. I've had mixed feelings on the PDP's since they came out, but to be fair I have not had a chance to shoot one yet. I wish that Walther would have gone with an aluminum alloy frame rather than steel from a concealed carry perspective.
They have polymer line for that but IMO none of the PDP line is really a ccw centric handgun. They’re fine, like any full size/compact for OWB but like every double stack, it’s not gonna carry comfortably IWB. So if you’re going OWB and you’re concerned with weight, go with a compact 3.5 or 4” polymer. There’s no advantage of aluminum over polymer. The fight difference isnt enough to matter and there’s no other advantage of an aluminum gun. If you’re going with steel, you want the weight and mitigating recoil is the primary goal.
Love my p99, i have the Canik clone tp9da as my primary go to since the p99 is discontinued. I also love my ppq q5 and pdp pro sd fs .walther and canik have the best stock triggers.
Just fyi....there is a final edition P99 that is still in circulation though they are going pretty quick. Look up Walther Arms to look for a certified dealer and see if you can still order it!
This was a cool video concept. Walter’s are great guns. My only concern is how wide the slides are and the optics system could be improved.
People seem to ignore that Canik is a Turkish copy of a Walther...
Something to note. The F series will not accept Walthers DPT. The triggers are different might be the reset function.
Good to know. Was looking for examples of this online.
@paramounttactical at this point would you recommend the base level PDP over a Glock 19 for your training students? (future student looking to train with you)
If you plan to use an optic now or in the future, yes. Without question.
@paramounttactical I have the PDP Compact Pro SD 4.6 w/Streamlight TLR-1 HL. What holster do you recommend? What belt did you use for this review. Great review. Thanks
I can’t recommend Dara Holsters enough. They’re better than any of the Safariland holsters I have and just as good as the GCode holsters. We’re dealers for both of those and setting up to be a Dara Holster dealer as well. I’ve just been super impressed with them.
The belt and accessories are G Code.
@@paramounttactical I couldn't see holsters on your web site but I'll try again. Thanks so much.
@@Mtgavin55 go direct with Dara Holsters. It’ll be a while before we get them in and on the website. Thanks for the support though!
-Gary
When does the 4" Compact SF release? Have yet to see one in the wild.
It’s released.The Steel Frames are just hard to find but we allocated some from our suppliers so check our website regularly and recommend you sign up to our newsletter. We’ll have a listing on our website soon. We will be getting some soon but they won’t last long.
Thanks for watching!
-Gary
@@paramounttactical thank you! I also enjoyed the video. I agree the PDP is near or at the top of the striker fired category.
The PDPs are nice, now adopted from the german special forces KSK, the battle divers and the military police. Of course the polymer version in all FDE color with SD 5.1 barrel (4.5 slide) and Acro P2 Aimpoint, also in FDE. There is also a compact version in all grey without SD barrel with grey aimpoint. I could imagine that those are for the military police. German army internally called P14 and P14K similar to US counterpart like M9, M17. By the way they are replacing the HK P30 and Glock models.
This video came out before all that
Gonna throw my two cents in I bought the PDP full size 4 1/2 inch after watching reviews and everybody ranting and raving about it. Was anxious to get it home and throw my optic of choice on it and start shooting but turns out I have to wait to get an adapter plate mailed to me. And to be honest my Springfield Echelon is better in every way minus the trigger although even though the walther is a little better trigger I like that the Echelon is a trigger pack and modular so I can swap frames and such. I like the slide serrations on the Echelon better the grip texture is better and it will take just about every optic made with no plate out of the box! I’m not saying the PDP is not a really nice gun it’s just a little over hyped. Was very disappointed with having to mail away for a plate the reviews I watched said it came with plates and to top it off when ordering I screwed up on the form and ordered the wrong totally on me but I immediately called customer service to see if I could get them to change the order and sat on hold for 40 minutes only to get transferred to a survey asking if my problem was solved without ever talking to a person! Tried calling back next day this time left my number to get a call back and still waiting. So yea I’m gonna say customer service and support is a big negative.
Honestly your comments indicate more of a personal preference and subjective measures.
Those are very real and are important but impossible to objectively assess. With every gear review I try very hard to maintain objectivity and not focus on personal preferences as it’s not fair to the product nor is it fair to project my preferences onto other people. That is a formula for disaster and a loss of credibility.
I personally hate the ergos of Glocks, the way they look and several other characteristics/features like their sites. That said, it’s a quality gun that probably has the best reliability and hard use track record around. They have the most simple mechanics and are the AK47 of the handgun world.
There’s also a LOT of what I would consider fair and honest negative reviews of the Echelon (I haven’t tested or even shot one)…
Point being, don’t conflate objective performance and features with personal preference.
Thanks for sharing and watching!
-Gary
Love the PDP. It is my EDC. Only issue is absolutely ZERO distribution when it comes to OEM parts. Why are OEM parts hard to find and out of stock? I like to source parts to stock. It took 3 months for walther to stock up on 4 inch barrel which i was looking for sometime last year. I cant find their trigger return spring anywhere. Their slide lock is out of stock and ive been checking for 2 months now. I've heard of aome guy named Earls but only way you find him is word of mouth bevause when you type in the part you're looking for on google, he doesn't show up as a search result. This is the only reason i might go back to my M&P 2.0.
I'm not trying to be critical (I have a 4" Compact) but, have you put 15k rounds through your Walther that you are already looking for replacement parts (slide lock?)? I hear you about the 'stocking' issue. I get e-mails from Walther all the time and when I go to look for some item I might want it is 'out of stock' (normally spare magazines).
Any recommendations on a mid-height BUIS for lower 1/3 co-witness or lower on a full size PDP with a factory RMR/SRO plate?
The problem is that while the optic-cut is very low and deep into the slide (nice) the factory irons are way too low (disappointing) and are not visible with any red dot optic at all, except for SCS, which is the only direct mount without an adapter plate.
I don’t like the ones on Walther’s website (due to being blacked out) and they don’t give the specs/dimensions for HEIGHT, only width on the website. I called Walther, they don’t know their own specs for height because they said the taller sights they sell are 3rd party made in Germany.
🤷♂️
Hoping for AmeriGlo’s.
TIA🙏🏻
I went with TruGlo Tritium Pro for my 4" Compact. You won't be disappointed...
@@dougt5357 may I ask the height of your front and rear irons? And is it lower 1/3? I’d like to avoid a full co-witness because it obscures the lower half of the optic window. Basically I want the irons barely visible as a back-up to the red dot. TIA🙏🏻
@@JC-hd4rj Lower 1/3. They are the 'low MOS' height sights for Glock 19 and other Glock models.
You can even see how much flatter the steel frame match shoots compared to the polymer. Would you say the compact steel frame shoots better than the polymer match 5inch?
And would the 5inch on a full size frame shoot better than a 5inch compact frame?
Ehhh… it’s close between the compact steel frame and the 5” polymer match. The steel frames just shoot and feel better overall. There’s no doubt about that.
Subbed. Guns are illegal where I’m from but this stuff is interesting as hell, especially with how much info you provide. 👍🏼
Lmao on 20:49! 😂😂😂
Looking locally, but no dice on what I want yet.
The Steel Frames are hard to find but we will have some of the polymer PDPs on our website in the next couple days.
Thanks for watching!
-Gary
Which Holosun fits the PDP?
They’ll all fit. As discussed in the video you’ll have to contact Walther after your purchase and they’ll send you a free plate that matches the optic you want to put on it.
I got one when they first came out I had no designated range target pistol and I have 4 other walther pistols my pdp is a full size at the time the longest barrel was the 4.5 so there was one available I never had such good groupings as close as and inch apart the trigger was the curved one right out of the box I saw no reason to replace it I eventually got a threaded barrel I have a 45acp can that fires everything from that down the barrel was factory so it set me back a few bucks I haven't made the jump to red dots yet so I purchased a set of suppressor height iton sights to see over my can they work great they even have a large tritium insert in the front 2 smaller in back brightest I've ever bought I wish sometimes I waited fot the pro with 🎉all the mods on it for the price of my threaded barrel I could of gotten all of this stuff for what my pistol cost but I had know idea they would be comming out with these upgrades and it's stupid at this point to sell one and buy another plus I'm quite happy with mine it works well with all types of ammo.
Here's a weird PDP fact I figured out last night. I mess with my pistols when wife and kids go to bed because I'm old and I don't know how to work on cars or do any woodwork at all. I like Canik pistols quite a bit as well. I can take the Canik TP9-SFX slide and put it on the Walther PDP 5" grip and vice versa. Also Canik Mags work in the PDP and vice versa. Recoil springs largely identical. Not sure why anyone would swap the slides other than for fun or to see which barrel shoots better all things being equal but it's kind of interesting. I think it works with the Rival but I don't have one of those so who knows. Doesn't work on the Mete.
🤔 that is interesting. Have you tested the mags live fire? It’s one thing if they seat in the mag well, it’s another if they cycle properly. I’m also curious if you’ve tested the slide swap live but for legal reasons would encourage you not to. But only for legal reasons.
@@paramounttactical I have tested the mags on both. I can't remember which way it does this but the mags shoot perfectly but either the Canik doesn't lock back after Walther mags or the other way around. Like the review, I just got on Rumble a couple of days ago so it's one of my first subscriptions.
@@BB-yh5rd good intel! I appreciate you sharing that information. This is exactly what my vision for this channel is, a community sharing experiences and information. Iron sharpens iron.
Thanks for watching!
-Gary
@@paramounttactical I spent the first 30 years of my life split between the Idaho side of Yellowstone and NE Brazil, pretty random and opposite climates, but both places have tons of guns. Idaho has so many guns that I always thought it was weird that some family didn't have any, usually from somewhere else. At least get a Ruger 10/22 or a basic shotgun. Been to W.VA a few times, place gets a way bum rap, cool people and an entirely different form of beautiful mountains.
I need to MAXIMIZE MY CONFIDENCE…😈
I like the video, however, Canik triggers are just as good. I have Walthers/Canik/HK and Hk VP9 are great triggers, but Walther and Canik has the better trigger. Aesthetics, the VP9 looks better, and ergonomics are phenomenal. But trigger, Canik rivals walther very very very close.
Canik triggers just as good
I would get one if it had a manual safety, I don't think I'll be in a fast shootout and I grew up using a manual safety my whole life, I never forget the safety.
Manual safeties for defensive pistols are a terrible idea. Just because you “grew up” on something doesn’t mean it’s right and you shouldn’t evolve or adapt based on better data and lessons learned. If the lack of a manual safety concerns you, you need more training and more exposure to professionals that don’t promote antiquated ideas.
Sold my P99 Final Edition because the polymer frame felt loose, vibrated, poor harmonic. Sold my F Series because the grip was too small for my Lg/ExLg hands. Sold my Compact 4". Like my Glock 19X better. My Full Size 5" is a keeper.
Canik Rival trigger is better than any PDP trigger. Just my humble imperfect opinion.
Walther licensed their trigger to canik
@user-nm4hm6ws6h yeah and Canik cleaned it up.
Black tie? Meister? Arabesque? American?
Walther said at SHOT show that if you point it and can't see your dot, squeeze your pinky. It really works.
Funny.
They're amazing. Fact
Glock, out the box, you call an 8.5
I really need to see that slide rule in your pocket. I have probably 30 of them. The best, a Gen2 31 I carried 20 years, I'd give a 7 vs a 9 for the P229 Elite I carried as a backup.
M&P, even 2.0, is maybe a 7.25.
And yes, Canik beats them both, right outta the box
Sure, I guess those numbers make sense if you factor out a long track record of hard use and reliability, countless aftermarket accessories. I think there’s always going to a gap in opinion of those that have experience with firearms operationally in extreme conditions and those that just carry them around all the time with an occasional qualification.
It’s all subjective.
I worked for an agency that the 229 was the issued duty weapon. Nothing but problems. Incessant malfunctions, guns breaking etc… and when that agency switched to Glocks their qualification pass rate on the first attempt increased by something like 28%. 🤷♂️
Imagine being rich enough to put a $600 trijicon SRO on ALL your pistols? 😂 I'm not jealous, I'm *impressed!*
Well those were all sponsored LOANERS from Trijicon so… 🤷♂️
We’re not there yet, but one day.
@paramounttactical It's good to have goals! Hopefully one day we'll both be at that level.
If you’re liking the PDP stock trigger, wait till you shoot a Canik Rival. They come stock out of the box with a trigger that’s as good or slightly better than the Walther dynamic performance trigger. No extra cost, no install, just out of the box.
I’ve heard a lot about it. I guess I’ll have to order one and try it out and do a comparison 😭.
I hate having to buy more guns…😂
@@paramounttactical lol yes, the burdens we face. But yeah, I was flat-out shocked at how good it was. I’ve had Caniks before that had good triggers but not the mind-blowing/nearly speechless reaction that guntubers all have for them, but the Rival is a different level. Beats my Q5 Match significantly, beats my Overwatch Precision custom triggers in several of my pistols.
@@paramounttactical I saw a comment once on another video that stated Canik 'borrowed' the Walther trigger for their pistol! A Canik fanboy was not happy with that claim and denied it! 😲 Who knows...
I dont want to co-witness the sights. I just want to be able to see the irons in the window.
You understand that is what cowitness means right? You can see both through the same window. It doesn’t mean they’re overlaid.
Fat pistol. Some CEO at Walther liked it and the monkees in R&D were afraid to tell him the fat slide sucked. Beretta suffers from the same "group think".
Perfect review! I've ordered PDP Full Size 4.5 SF...
Great choice.
I’m between the 4.5 sf and the 4 inch sf. Going to use for carry optics and also be my winter carry.
That F-series could use a trigger upgrade, because that trigger reset isn't very tactical.
You may have to consider who the F series was initially designed for. As noted in the video, NOW it doesn't matter what is 'between your legs' as to whether it might be the right choice for you. I have a 4" Compact with the smallest backstrap installed and I think the F series (I have small hands) would have been better but, it wasn't available when I bought my Walther.