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It is so sed to see these children grow up with a camera in their face as thier normal! About one week ago, a 7 or maybe 8-year-old girl of a familybloger family (5 Kinds 2 parents), grabs her mom's phone to make a lot of RUclips shorts with her friend and her brother. The songs she used wear inappropriate and the camera angels wear disturbing! Thankfully, the parents notice the Videos and they wear delete next day.
This family is getting away with this under the “classy if you’re rich, trashy if you’re poor” mindset. I can guarantee this would not fly if this couple was not in their privileged position. It also boils my blood that kids can be used for social media without any protections.
I don’t fault people who are doing the best they can with the income they earn, but if you choose to put 6 of your kids in one tiny room and your toddler on the floor when you could do better, that’s not right. And with them being all over each other in that confined space, I hope those kids have headphones. These kids are going to have trauma when they’re older, if they don’t already. Edit: I just got to the part where Hannah describes the bus rocking. 😂
It reminds me of the early days of Hollywood when child actors had zero protections. The field of child acting is still terrible, but those kids at least have *some* laws protecting them. Social media kids have basically none.
yup, we are saving to buy a bigger house but right now our kids (2 yrs and 3mo) have to share a room and we got a lot of criticism about it from family and friends.
@@wolfsmaid6815 my kids 6 and 8 have shared a room since the youngest was born (3 mon)They are close in age and has worked out well. They also have a playroom
@@wolfsmaid6815what! that is shameful, millions of kids share a room. Unless your family and friends are going to finance a bigger house for you they need to mind their own damn business.
Our family of 5 has been living in a trailer for 8 years now (it's all we can afford) and we do book ourselves into a hotel for Christmas as a treat. We house-sit every chance we get. We don't love living this way and are planning a move to another state next year to afford a house, but my kids are teens now and their younger years were really the ones I would've wanted to have a house for. So yeah, life is hard and sad in some ways.
@@KarinAllison my daughter and I are in a tough situation too and I feel for you. It’s different when you can’t afford enough space. You care about it and want to make it better, just like I do. Instead of being rich and doing it on purpose to make more money, like these idiots. Sending love to you ❤️
@@KarinAllison I’ve actually thought about the “van life” for my teenage daughter and me, but right now we live with my mom who has dementia bc I take care of her. But it’s always in my thoughts…would she have enough room for her privacy? I cannot believe these people are so blind to their children’s needs. They don’t need a ton, but they do need the option of privacy and a little space. It’s rough out here, I get it 😭
Oh gosh. Those kids are messed up. Why is there no stricter laws about children in the US? For example, here in Germany everybody HAS to go to school, no exceptions. it makes abuse like this harder
Coming from a large family, these big families often rely on the labor of the older children to run the household. Parentification is a huge problem and often results in strained and imbalanced relationships between the older children and their parents.
I was just going to comment the same thing. The way parents split themselves among 8 children is that they don’t. I would be shocked if the oldest 2 aren’t responsible for a lot of the child care.
You are 100% correct! Any parent of 2+ kids will tell you that, even if one parent stays at home, it’s a CRAP TON of work. Being able to parent 8 children is next to impossible without help, and unfortunately these types of people don’t hire help or ask family/friends to assist. They make their teens secondary and tertiary parents. It’s disgusting.
I'm the eldest of four and was parentified .... even when it was just me and my brother considering we didn't live full time with my two half siblings I was STILL the second/third/fifth parent.. I can't even fathom being the eldest in a family this large
Also - the absolute hypocrisy of them demonising screen time and phones for their kids whilst at the same time making videos of their kids for others to watch on their screen time and phones and making money from it… insane!
I assumed that they don't have screens (ie cell phone ) is because they could see other people's lives and realize theirs in not typical. Plus they could call for help.
It’s extremely concerning that the oldest daughter has no privacy. Imagine going through puberty as a girl and not having your own space or being around other girls your age. Same with the teen boy. You share space with your sisters and have no other teens to befriend
and no access to devices to make/keep friends with either, apparently. I would have at least one mental breakdown a day, especially since the older kids may be able to remember "normal" life.
When I was a teen, my parents took my door off its hinges for a week as punishment for slamming my door too many times. Having all these kids in one room is like that but 100 times worse. Their daily sleeping arrangement is worse than my punishment. 😢
As someone who grew up in something like this(no bus involved) but the fake homeschooling, never seeing doctors, not going to school, being locked in a small place, I can confirm as an adult it is so super hard to read social ques to make friends and to understand whats going on. We tend to accidentally gravitate towards people who will take advantage of us, control, or backstab us because it is familiar and we don't even realize what we are doing. Its hard to get a job, start families, be successful in anything at all really. We just struggle all the damm time. Its so freaking tiring. Not to say we can't be successful just that any success we have we are still at a huge disadvantage compared to others.
I grew up in a family where my mom didn't trust the system and pulled us out of school to live in the middle of nowhere for our teens years. I relate to this. I struggled alot with socialization and preparing as an adult when you are sheltered and isolated and not even properly schooled (it felt like unschooling at times). It's not healthy by any means and certainly isn't fair to the child's development.
Q: what if thats hereditary and you wouldve been like that no matter what? I’m autistic so I struggle with all that after living a “normal” life. Isolation is the only way to escape it for people like me.
Knowing that their biggest channel is on Instagram, they don’t make money from that platform. The only way to make money on Instagram is through sponsorships. Do they ever do sponsored videos? Wondering if there is any proof that they are exploiting their kids for cash or if they just are being exploited solely for the fame.
And while doing this she does not just dump on these people but wants us to think about what we are consuming. I stopped watching mommy channels after realizing how horrible it must be when (especially creepy) people watch your childhood publicly
I come from a family of 10 and we were home schooled most of my life (up until the end of year 9). Personally, I never got much attention from my mother. My father gave more attention and time, but not a lot. He tried but when there are a lot of other kids, especially when each of us are 2-3 years apart, it made it hard. My mother "home schooled" us. I now struggle with math, geography, basic science, etc. I am a youth worker, and young people who are 9+ can answer math and geography related questions before I could. We didn't live in a bus, but it was still hard to find living arrangements in HOUSES. I can't imagine a bis situation. My father worked 100+ hours a fortnight to keep up with the expenses that come with having that big of a family. My mother wanted a big family./ She was constantly complaining about how tired she was, or how much she had to do, how how annoying we were when we need or required attention. When it came to the schooling side of things, we got MAYBE 10 minutes a day from her in tutoring, otherwise she would just leave us to school ourselves pretty much. She was also religious and unstable. We grew up in and our of churches, different beliefs, etc. and while yes, I do have a faith, I do not go to church, or have many friends who do. Nor do any of my siblings. The trauma that churches have given me, and the constant moving and switching around from my mother has left a big impact on not only myself, but my other siblings too. We stopped home-schooling once I reached year 10. My mother and father had gotten divorced and my mother found a new husband, and decided that she didn't want to do anything anymore. so she dumped 5 of us on my father. She ended up leaving, saying (and I quote) "I have done 20 years of parenting and schooling, and now its time to do something for myself. I am tired."...Her youngest at the time was 6 years old. My childhood (personally, as I cannot speak for my siblings) was not great. I have very little memories of anything good. I am 24 years old, and still working through a lot of trauma surrounding schooling, no privacy at home, constantly moving, etc. I will never have a big family, and my goal is to stay in one house, and give the children that I do plan on having, a stable home, with all the attention they need. It is not healthy to have a massive family, or home school (in my opinion). It leaves children behind developmentally and emotionally. This is just my opinion on it all, and my experience.
Those kids aren't far off from moving out, getting their own TikTok accounts, and spilling the beans on all the horrific stuff happening when the cameras are off.
I deeply hope those kids will get out of this messed up situation, but it's easier to say than to be done. You need some cash to move out. Hard to say if family members [grandparents for example] would be willing to take those kids in. If that family are constantly on the way, those teen kids have no chance to get a job. IDK if parents would share their income [in which kids participated!] to help them be independent. Still, again I hope those kids will success. This lifestyle must be a torture. Zero privacy. Zero friends. Nights "concerts" made of crying baby and parents moans while making new baby. It's a hell.
@HannahAlonzo: As the second to last of a family about this size, I was an afterthought. In every single aspect, throughout my entire childhood and after. My parents didn't give a damn about my health, physical growth, hobbies, school, anything. In fact, it was a TEACHER who not only caught my poor vision, but actually took me to GET glasses, after she tried and failed to convince my parents of the need for a pair. The glasses would have been free if my parents had taken me, as our universal health care covers it. But they just did not want to, my mother even said "She's faking it for attention." My teacher paid for them herself. One of my greatest regrets is that I can't tell her how much she meant to me, she was very special. I vividly remember staring out the window on our way back, amazed by the trees. I had no idea they were so beautiful, with leaves. Obviously I knew about leaves, but I'd never seen them ON trees, they'd always been a big green blob.
@@judithamooney I hope so, I really do. It was a very rough school, and massively underfunded. My class bullied her out of that school within a year, her first year of teaching. I wasn't part of the bullies, I adored her. It was so sad when I heard she had left, but at the same time, I felt she deserved better, so I was happy for her. Still, I wish I could find out her name, and let her know: "You were the ONLY one, the one single person, who saw me, who helped me, and it meant so incredibly much. I have never, not once, forgotten your kindness. You gave me hope. You gave me strength to keep going. You literally opened my eyes. Thank you is not enough, but, thank you." I'm crying as I type this, for good reasons. Great teachers can save lives.
I think the most appalling thing about a parent saying “she’s faking it for attention” as a response is that they’re _acknowledging_ that on some level they aren’t paying enough attention to their child and then they’re proceeding to do nothing about it but shame said child
@@ND-iw1nr That is such a beautiful story! I wonder if you could even contact the school district to find out the names of past teachers, or maybe the school library would have an old yearbook? I hope that you find her one day.
Thank you for the example. My husband came from a too large family. His only sister's vision was so bad she didn't know that there were wires between telephone poles. She finally got glasses based on a school nurse screening. One older brother was completely ignored and became an alcoholic by his teens. Several of them did not get the health care and educational interventions they needed. His parents were nice people but there is just not enough time in the day to properly care for eight souls. And it was religion that drove them to it. So when wacko religious parents have kid after kid in a time of severe over-population, I'm disgusted. And when they turn it into a business vlog, I can't even.
"Your children don't have screens - but they appear a lot on ours" is hands down the most disturbing thing I've heard in a while. Also, them gushing over how their kids are each other's best friends is such a red flag when you realize those kids have no other options in friends or best friends if they're homeschooled, constantly on the move and don't even have a phone to chat with anyone else at all. Not even to call a support line or straight up CPS, that's what I'd be aiming to do if someone stuck me in a shoebox with seven siblings, and parents that make me act out cringe for clout.
I wonder what the legalities of their situation are. Since they’re traveling in other countries, there might not even be a way to hold them responsible for any issues.
@@MarthaSpizziri It would blow my mind if you could travel across the US breaking laws and be untouchable only because you're 'just moving through' the country while you're actively abusing your children...for example. Even if somehow that wouldn't be breaking the law in the country they are the citizens of, if they are in a different country where it is illegal, they should be held responsible for it. That's at least how EU would handle it - when in Rome, do as the Romans do or end up in jail.
I have to wonder how it does not "blow your mind" that these men and women were sent to foreign wars to shed their blood in horrific conditions amidst daily atrocities, but when they come home to a free country, some think they don't deserve to board a fully equipped luxury recreational vehicle built with their own hands and travel at their leisure with family members for as long as they care to. Why should they not lead their own lives? Why should they be puppets of warmongering and nothing more? Haven't they done their tour of duty? We live in a free country that allows freedom of movement from sea to shining sea. It doesn’t blow your mind that in a free world filled with so-called enlightenment and intelligence with all of its potential for constructive use, people presume men and women should be sent to die in unnecessary wars? *That* doesn't blow your mind? What blows your mind is after returning from a war zone, to a free world, where they deserve to live in peace, amidst law and order, as law abiding citizens in their own country as they choose? They are "too mobile"? Their lives are dispensible in a war? You're not concerned they should be mobilized to be sacrifices in a combat zone? No objections? No concern? But in peace they cannot enjoy freedom or mobility? You presume they shouldn't be able to choose their mobile lifestyle in a free world? They can't live in peace in an RV? They can die for you in a bloody war, but they can't enjoy a peaceable life with their family in an RV? You can put them in tanks 24 hours a day in a 120 degree desert for 6 months and they can come back disabled or suffering PTSD and unknown diseases. You can put them on warships away from their families in 18 square feet under enemy attack for five years going to and fro in a war zone. But they can't drive an RV, live in safety and sanity, recover in the countryside with their immediate family for a few years? You lost me. How is that sensible?
As someone who grew up in a very similar situation, your points are spot on. The older kids are 100% caring for/raising the younger ones. I would also like to add that while the kids may think they’re okay with this situation, when they become adults and realize how they were treated their feelings about it will almost certainly change. Children want to make their parents happy, and probably think that they’re fine with having their lives blasted all over social media. As an adult, they’re going to realize how much their privacy was violated in order to monetize a lifestyle that they probably won’t agree with in a few years. Using your kids to make money on social media is disgusting and shouldn’t be legal.
Oldest of 7 here, confirming that the chance that that the older kids, ESPECIALLY the daughter, DON'T have to carry some of the parenting load is pretty much zero. I'm sure the eldest son feels a lot of it too, but daughters in this kinds of situation are so often expected to take on the role of assistant mother
Everyone know no one was asking when they were going to be making another kid one month after the youngest was born. All influencers claim, "Everyone is asking....."
Yep, as someone who goes to church, not even my pastors would dare to say God told them anything. When people start speaking like this, it means they have a warped understanding of religion, maybe even don't feel it at all and are insecure about that, and are faking it to try to convince others they are super blessed. On the other hand, they could have a mental disorder if they don't understand that strong feelings and impulse decisions are not by default holy messages.
The guy had a whole crypto bro stage so I wouldn't be surprised. They also headed off to South American and tried to have an anchor baby in a country without extradition for a while there but that seemed to go wrong.
"OK, kids! Put in your headphones! Mommy and daddy need to make you a new costar... I mean, sibling!" There is not enough room there for the older kids to not notice when stuff is happening. The amount of therapy they will need is crazy.
I LOVE my sister. We are truly best friends. HOWEVER there was a month where we had to share a hotel bed and have zero privacy due to a house fire, and by the end I had a complete mental breakdown. Being close with your family doesn’t mean you don’t need alone time and personal space.
The way she treats her infant like a prop is horrifying. She never supports his head, jiggles him around constantly while he's trying to sleep, and he's suffered at least three sunburns in her care. It's disgusting watching her in a hat and sunglasses while her unprotected baby fries in the sun.
She’s constantly talking about her education plan and how she’s “getting ready” to publish it to help others. You can’t convince me they’re not on the road so they can stay ahead of CPS.
She said it herself in one of her reels: "My toxic trait is continuing to add things to my life that depend on me for survival." She said the quiet part out loud. She is doing this to fill some hole in her life. She needs people that depend on her- that's what determines her self worth. And she keeps having kids thinking that need will be met and that hole will be filled, and she's just digging herself deeper. What she needs is therapy and birth control.
Right?! You cannot convince me that this whole situation ISN'T straight up abuse. I understand not everyone has the means to live in a space large enough for their whole family, but this specific circumstance is clearly very different as they DO have the means and are choosing an extreme. Even if the parents turned out to be angels about everything else, just the fact that the kids are forced into living arrangements like this is enough to damage them for life. It really makes me wonder how you're supposed to integrate into society after growing up like that.
I mean she's a military vet from what I'm hearing. If it's Iraq ones... Well let's say troops were doing lots of warcrimes as usual in this conflict towards a local population specifically. I would not be surprised if people's psyche would get screwed or destroyed along with their morals.
They also think that raising kids is about the parents' development, so they have kids to serve the parents, not because they actually just want to have a nice family.
@@rebelbelle1388 I don't think she meant she needed her kids to fill a hole in a maternal way but in an attention way, she's birthing a fan club that is dependent on her. I don't think she has any maternal feeling towards Boone the way she has been treating him and ignoring his medical needs, but she loves him for the likes and clicks he brings her.
Yes, Your correct! ALL platforms need to ban this! Get an honest job parents and budget properly! What happens now if they can’t upload? The kids are going to be thrown into The System!
The Feds and the States would have to pass child labor laws for the children included as content on social media. The easiest would probably be a Federal law as it would be easy to avoid the States that enforce child labor laws for SMS.
You cannot convince me that all 8 of these children are happy and healthy and they all live together with zero issues. Edited to add: YES, I’m well aware that even families who don’t live in a bus have issues. Thanks to those who clearly don’t read the comments before them and repeat the same sentiment. It’s kinda not the point though! This family present themselves this way, as being happy, healthy with no issues, it’s the entire premise of their brand. I’m not saying they’d be happier in a mansion with a bedroom each and a pony. I’m just saying I’m not convinced that this family are as happy, healthy and issue free as they portray themselves to be.
I have 3 children, I am a stay at home mom, I am at their disposal any time they need me, and even with 3 children it’s too much. Someone always needs something, to talk about something, for me to help with something. It’s not easy with 3 if you are giving them your full attention and taking care of their needs. Having so many kids like those two, no way are those kids getting the attention they need and their individual needs met. My 3 kids are all different, different personalities, different temperaments, and even I know you gotta customize your parenting style and approach to each child. And that right there is exhausting. What works for one doesn’t work for the other. And you have to be flexible. The cookie cutter approach doesn’t apply when raising children unless the parent chooses to out of laziness.
They actively ignore their kids' medical issues. The boy with glasses had a severe lazy eye until enough people left comments for the parents to take him to get glasses.
All families have issues whether they live in a mansion with 2 children or a shack with 12 children. Not living on a bus with 8 children doesn't guarantee an issue-free life.
@@JenekksThere is no way you think kids with actual housing and there own personal space have the same issues this kids might have living in a bus with not even a proper bed like come on you know exactly what people mean.
I think the question of how many kids are too many kids is a valid question. Whenever I hear people who come from large families talk about how they grew up the girls always say that they had to raise their smaller siblings and the boys usually didn't mind because they could basically do whatever they wanted. As you said in the video there are laws and regulation in place for adopted children/foster children/daycare/schools/prisons etc. about minimum required space or capacity and if these children here were not their biological children it would be impossible for them to live like that.
I would say it depends on culture too. A lot of eastern cultures are very close with extended family meaning the responsibility for family raising are different. Yes some of older siblings but also a huge network of other relatives.
It's absolutely valid. I don't think there should be a law on the books restricting how many kids a woman can birth. That would be unconstitutional. But it absolutely cannot be healthy for the mothers body physically, mentally or emotionally to have ten kids. And I know for a fact it's not good for the children.
200 Square feet with 9 people is 22.22 square feet per a person. The average prison cell is 48 square feet, jails are 70 square feet minimum. Just think about that for a moment
1. Actually, it's 10 people (2 adults plus [now] 8 kids). So, 20 (not 22.22) square feet per person. 2. Does the 200 square feet exclude the space taken up by counters and closets, etc.? If not, reduce that 20 square feet per person by at least 2 square feet - so, 18 square feet per person?
Subtract the space dedicated to kitchen cabinets and fixtures and other storage, (guessing about a third) and you’re down to 13. Point of reference: the suggestion for housing size is 550 per person. That’s obviously flexible due to layout and who the people are, but….
I love this series because it feels like the closest to understanding the true nature of influencing. People make money which is not inherently wrong, but like all jobs, it depends on how you do it and what their intentions are.
Making an income from social media is going to go the way of the dodo bird. It's just not going to be a thing anymore. These exploitative nutjobs are going to ruin it for everyone.
Monetizing your kids is absolutely wrong and I hope there she laws protecting kids from predatory parents who force their kids to perform for social media.
@@jennifercriswell198 Thank you for your kind words 💝 It was still a very Painful decision but I was EXHAUSTED and there comes a point in your Life where you ask yourself if you are going to let someone else run you into the ground like that without receiving any genuine appreciation in return. The kids got fed up too. But our wishes still didn't seem to count ... until I MADE IT count. The RV just may have been that straw that broke the camel's back.
I'm a religious dude, and I think this is a crock. Greed and pride is the driving force behind their decision to live this lifestyle and subject their children to it. Always beware of those who flaunt their belief for monetization.
100% They don't give a darn about their kids. I hate kids, and I even find this cruel and awful. The kids deserve stability and long term relationships
Completely agree. I believe in personal revelation, but as soon as she talked about the husband being called to “build an ark”, like no. I don’t buy that, sorry. 🚩🚩🚩
Apparently God told the father to do this? There is ZERO chance that the God revealed in the Bible tells someone to remove themselves from a church community. Hebrews 10:24-25, Ephesians 4:11-16, Matthew 16:18, Acts 9:31, the implications of Colossians 3:16, all the verses about leaders/ministers/deacons make it clear that if you call yourself a Christian, you should be attending a church to serve/encourage/be served/be encouraged/be taught/be prayed for/be in community etc.
Imagine ur 10 and living in a huge house with your family then one day ur dad has a bout of spiritual psychosis and forces you to live in a bus and never go to school and ur mom keeps having children so the amount of available space is getting smaller and smaller and you can’t ever have a quiet space alone, and you never get a sense of stability nor are in a specific area long enough to build friendships so you only know your family - ur essentially a cult in a bus. Sounds like pure hell
Not to mention there’s one girl who’s very close to puberty living with her brothers in a tiny space with zero privacy… What about when she gets her period??!
@@42ayla I hate to go there but when I heard there’s only one girl and they’re all crammed in like that and getting older, flowers in the attic immediately came to mind… I feel so bad for the girl. I can’t imagine growing up without other girls my age to play with and learn from.
I lived with 9 people in an 80m2 space as a child and it was literal hell. That’s all I have to say. Being a teenager is unbearable in those situations.
I lived in a 35m2 flat with my mom, my grandma and a bunch of cats. It's not many people, but even this lot was too much for me, I felt stuck in a cage, I wanted my own room soooo hard that I even lived in a balcony for some time. Children MUST have their own private place, period!
My feelings are mixed on this because I feel certain that child me would have loved this! However I had not considered becoming a teenager in this environment so I can see your point.
@@bracken_3164 Also imagine that you have nowhere to go and get away from them, like school, after school activities. Even when they are out and about somewhere, they don't know anyone... :(
We were 5 people in a roughly 70m2 apartment and I still don't know how we made that work. We didn't have much money and there is a 13 year gap between me the youngest and my oldest sibling who moved out at 18.
I’ve raised 2 sons on the autism spectrum and they totally required their own bedrooms and time to decompress from the world. It was a basic need. I can’t imagine putting them through this for an extended period of time!
I'm Neuro typical and it sounds like a loving hell to me too 😂. Even if everyone gets along well ALL the time, it's still not ok to live like this. It's child cruelty in my opinion.
I love your content Hannah! You're clearly not a "hater." You are respectful, thoughtful content creator and you look at things from a balanced perspective. You're kind but able to call people out on their BS.
Ok, I grew up in a large, low income family (9 kids currently). When I only had 6 siblings I lived in a trailer. We were also all homeschooled. It's a similar size and 7 kids is a similar number, so I want to compare that experience. Me and my siblings were neglected emotionally, academically, and somewhat physically. Our mom was a stay at home mom, but she didn't have the time in the day to properly support all of us. Older kids would be homeschooling younger ones. My oldest sibling, at age 12, helped with the home birth of one of my younger siblings. We had 3 bedrooms, with 3 kids per room and the youngest with our parents. There was no privacy. My oldest sibling was rooming with 2 toddlers. They hated it. We would spend most of the day outside doing random projects and wandering in the woods. All of us were behind in school to the point cps later put us in public school. I'm also very worried about the safety of these kids. None of them have phones, which means no ability to call 911 or family tracking apps. They are famous online, which means they have some creepy followers, that's just how it is. Their parents document where they are at any time. They are constantly in an unfamiliar environment. I hate to say it, but I'm extremely worried one of them will be taken advantage of or even kidnapped.
I grew up in a similar situation. It was like a kid farm and we were the livestock. It absolutely is not appropriate to have older kids with tiny kids. In my situation, there were multiple instances of sexual abuse.
@@amandaschmidt9528 thats unfortunately very common in these situations because the kids are so isolated, you don't develop socially the same way, and their aren't safeguards in place to protect you.
@universal_stupidity it's like the "200 Kids and Counting" show. The oldest son got into trouble for abusing some of the older sisters. I'm not saying it's okay, or justifiable, but when kids aren't socialized properly, sexual, hormonal development doesn't just stop. And it WILL somehow find an outlet, especially in these religious, almost puritan families. It's incredibly irresponsible to put children in these circumstances
I never understood the "sex is shameful," but if you're married, "explicitly discuss your sex life at nauseum" in these ultra conservative religious communities.
These folks want to project that "righteous married sex" is just super lit because God's rewarding them for waiting. I was in that world as an unknowing demisexual, super uncomfortable with all the obsession with sex. Before marriage: thinking about not thinking about it. After: talking about doing it
@@Jess_ica2927it really is, sex is so shamed in the American Churches, so the second these people have a ’reson’ to be having sex, it seems like it’s all they want to talk about. They’ve needed to surpress the feeling of arousal/curiosity for the sake of wanting to seem pure, that when they no longer need, it’s like they can finally talk about it and become the curious and oversharing teen they never could be out of shame.
This was one of my first thoughts when I saw how many children they had! No way those kids haven’t heard it. I heard my dad and stepmom a couple times and was so traumatized by it and I was a teenager. This is just gross.
As a homeschool family, it takes a lot of effort to effectively homeschool your kids. Being part of a community of other kids is so important. These kids have none of that. No friends, no community, no support system. Just siblings.
So true! My sister homeschools and her homeschool community is such a big thing. They go on field trips together, do classes together once a week, etc. The kids also participate in sports/clubs/activities as part of the wider community. Homeschooled should never equal lonely or friendless.
@jackiemartin7276 it is widely assumed that homeschooled kids don't have interactions with other kids. I homeschool my four kids, but they get social interaction with people from our church and they are also in a co-op (sounds like what your sister has her kids in). They definitely aren't deprived of anything!
It’s kind of baffling to me how people all over the world live in small spaces due to necessity, yet these influencers try to make it look glamorous for their kids to have to be cramped, have no privacy, be removed from school and friends, etc. most people who have to make a small space work for a large family want to be out of that position one day. I doubt they’d think it’s quirky and fun.
Precisely! My family had to live in some small spaces with everyone sharing rooms when I was a kid, and you better believe we were all stoked to move to a house that actually allowed us each our own space! It's one thing to choose the van life for yourself as an adult, but to force that on your children is absolutely bonkers bordering on abuse.
The kids not having access to phones or computers makes it so much worse, they get no contact with the outside world. The parents want to keep them trapped in ignorance.
My boyfriend had to raise his 2 much younger siblings when his mother kicked his dad out and divorced him. He had to get up in the night, later take them to school and pick them up etc. She took HIS childhood from him and he is still dealing with the aftermath now. These „parents“ (if you can call them this) are incredibly SELFISH! No doubt about it
The show Bluey hasn't released any of the children's names who voice the child characters. We do not know who voices Bingo, Bluey or other kids on the show. So basically Bluey has more respect for the children than this bus family does
All I heard regarding the kids not having any phones or tablets or screens at all (especially the oldest/teen) is that they literally have no way of contacting anyone in the outside world ever. Can't ask grandparents or safe family members for help if they ever needed it. They're completely reliant on their parents and the decisions their parents make
Also they can't document anything that's happening themselves. Can't look up any information. Can't look at the content they are in to see what it looks like or that people are concerned for them. They don't even know how many people are watching.. so sad and scary 😢
Legit, that seems like a red flag for a cult/high control group. Looking at the BITE model, it honestly feels like they're really hitting some points on Behavioral and Information control by cutting them off from the world and other humans like that.
This is the most healing thing I’ve ever heard. I grew up in an over crowded homeschool house with my nine siblings. There was no space. No privacy. If you were the same size as your siblings? You shared underwear. You had food taken off your plate every day because there was too many kids for how much we had. It IS a nightmare and we DO unpack the trauma. Thank you for being upset at what is happening and not letting it be normalized. I couldn’t talk till I was three, and read and write until I was between 10 to 12. The second you could read, you were responsible for your own education. There are so many grades that I skipped that I should not have graduated high school.
I am a mother of 5. Eldest 18 (almost 19), youngest 6 . And my 3 older children absolutely help me with their younger siblings. Their dad also travels a lot , so we all pitch in to do our part. Running a household of this size takes some doing. But when I was pregnant with The last one, I knew he was the last. My body would not have loved me if I got pregnant again. And I don't think my children would have been impressed if another came along. With that said, I am their primary caregiver. I am a stay at home mum. All my children go to school. Everyone is allowed to have their own friends and allowed to hang out with them outside of their siblings - because I understand the need for a break from The people you live with. There have also been many, many hours of sporting activity for All the children. from rugby to Karate to soft ball , swimming, cricket, the works. Because like you say the social aspect was important to me. I try very hard to give every one a piece of me and make sure I save some of me for me. There's a lot of "hand me downs", but I also make sure that every once in a while everyone receives something new. It may not be all at the same time, but you do get something that is yours and only ever was yours. As much as I love and adore my children and as much as we all get along, I would never want this for myself or them. I think we all get along most of the time because everyone is allowed and expected to not be in the same space all the time. -😂 I hope you are able to release and let go at some point. Your parents did you a disservice. I hope you are able to grow and do better. - 42 year old stay at home mum of 5 of the most amazing beings I have ever had the privilege of knowing.❤
As someone who experienced COCSA from a sibling, stuffing seven kids into one room and isolating them from their peers is a recipe for that kind of abuse. No one wants to talk about it because it's uncomfortable to bring up but it's a reality
@@theresabrown1272child on child, usually occurring because one or both got oversexed due to exposure to sexual content (such as parents getting at it) from a young age
Thanks for saying this. I never experienced that type of abuse, but I know that the lack of boundaries between siblings is a recipe for even worse crossing of boundaries.
This was one of the first things that came to mind for me as well. Stuffing that many kids into such a confined space, with several reaching or about to reach puberty, and with the kind of parents they are… it’s concerning to say the least.
A lot of our parents' and grandparents' generations grew up with 5-7 kids in a house under 1,200 square feet, and sharing bedrooms with 2-3 siblings, but the main difference is they were able to leave to go to school, hang out with friends, play sports, etc. So they were only packed in that house during the evenings and overnight. Having grown up in a family of five in a larger home, I can't imagine having to deal with either situation, but the bus with 10 people sounds like a nightmare.
@@MaryPetersonCook they have no friends 💀 they have zero way to keep a relationship outside family since they have no phones and parents want to move to a new state every week
The thing is, with many of these RV/bus families, the children usually have no privacy or space, which the parents have an actual room with a king sized bed and an actual door. Entitlement at it's finest.
I'm a married mom of 1. We had very little money when my daughter was tiny and moved a few times. She ALWAYS got the nicest room. Even briefly had the only room. Today we are financially stable and my kid STILL has the nicer room. Kids first.
@@JennaNeal-e2l Guess what, that's actually very common in the USA with people who live in houses or mansions. Parents get the largest bedroom or even a whole suite with a massive bed, huge walk in wardrobes and bathroom larger than a bedroom, and they only rarely do anything other than sleep, have sex and change clothes there. Children play, study, do hobbies, entertain friends etc in their bedrooms but get the small (in comparison) bedrooms.
With a toddler sleeping UNDER their bed. So do you think they ever forget the child is sleeping under there when it’s adult happy fun time? Or do they just not care? One of the many many privacy concerns for this family, not to mention the trauma those kids have undoubtedly already experienced in so many ways.
@@brookelevy7145 Technically three of the older children sleep UNDER their siblings beds, so don't make a mountain out of a single word. Using vertical space is not a crime.
@@YaaLFH there is a giant difference between sleeping under a single sibling and sleeping under the bed of your sex crazed parents. That's what they were refering to with the emphasis on under, not the verticality of it.
It's actually pretty terrifying to think that the kids not having access to screens = kids not having the only remaining way to access the outside world, resources, ppl, etc. If someone wanted to raise kids in a trapped environment, that's how they would do it: leave them with nothing to compare to, no one else to talk to, and isolated in this little family echo chamber.
THIS! I was extremely sheltered and homeschooled by my eccentric mother. She distrusted things like online banking, thought smartphones were frivolous, etc. Cancer took her after several years of my 24/7 care. That alone was isolating. but the struggle of having to learn SO MUCH when I don't even KNOW what I dont know is HARD. Lessons that others have taken for granted for years and assume I know has been an overwhelming nightmare. These kids are facing unexpected challenges beyond comprehension, I fear for their futures- these parents are disgraceful.
If the baby was born in the bus and hasn't even been to a doctor, then they probably never got a birth certificate. I recently learned that this is a big problem for a lot of children whose parents try to keep them out of the system. It makes me wonder about the other kids and how many of them are going to be unable to get a job or a bank account when they get older.
You can get a delayed birth certificate as an adult. There are definitely some inconveniences related to a delayed vs normal birth certificate, but fortunately it means these kids can get passports, bank accounts, jobs, etc. Not endorsing it, though. Definitely better to just get the birth certificate when they are born.
Fortunately (?) they are getting baby a Passport now, perhaps to return to Brazil, perhaps to start sailing full time, so baby must have a birth cert for that to happen. THey made an appearance on the Zatara family sailing channel recently and hinted they want to sail.
I had a delayed birth certificate and it was only a problem when I started school and when I tried to get a passport. I eventually got one but it was a hassle.
8:54 they are probably only ‘best friends’ because they don’t interact with any other kids… someday there will be a documentary where these kids speak out about what this was really like
A lot of kids from the early days of RUclips are at that age where they’re finally old enough to speak out, and they have been saying some pretty horrifying things!
This isn’t the first time a set of fundamentalist parents stuffed all their kids on a bus. Both times I know of there was horrible abuse happening and the kids spoke out later. I hope that’s not the case here, but it seems to be a trend.
Note on the large family aspect-my dad was 1 of 9. As adults many of them crave attention, they talk at each other but not always with, and ultimately have their share of "quarks". That said it was through the 40s and 50s most were born. It was a different time and it was a bit more common. They did have to share bedrooms, but it was a time when kids were told to go outside and play and come home for meals. My grandmother mainly focused on the baby and toddler and all the older kids were on their own most of the day. She did the laundry and the cooking, but the expectations then weren't the same. So- historical lens would say parents don't need to give their kids all that love and attention- but modern times have shown that we generally doing better when as kids we recieved love and attention.
My dad is one of seven. He is the quiet one (comparatively speaking). This was in the 1950s, he and his brothers spent much of their time outside as well. I know for awhile he spent a lot of time at home with my grandmother...he was the second youngest. He did a lot of chores and his eldest sister resented the parenting she did.
imagine being a child unknowingly participating in videos about your parents getting it on & then getting older & realizing what those videos were really about. I think I would be disgusted.
Whenever RUclips pushes any family and kids videos or shorts in my feed, I always block the channel and sometimes report them. I am baffled that RUclips had no rules in place to protect children. It seems money wins over ethics.
Listen!!! Same. I’m like “RUclips, where in the world are your ethics?!” There should absolutely be laws against children on RUclips videos. There needs to be a verification that the child is compensated or represented by management or an agency, or something. Seriously gives me the ick. Great idea about blocking and reporting.
Yeah when YT tries to show me a bunch of the family vlog stuff it's a day or two of "do not recommend" while scrolling. The closest I get to that type of content is this channel.
RUclips is such a ridiculous company at this point, won’t censor this disturbing type of content but will censor creators with actual useful content just because any person can demand them for anything 🙄
You can learn by doing little, not being handed over babies for your parents to make and push them out. It is parents' responsibility, not the child's.
@@faeknereddi4782 nah they're "Christians", the daughter is the parent cause ... Women and tradition and all that stuff performative christians yap about
I have 10 siblings and we were homeschooled. Parents were NOT accessible, older siblings took on most of their responsibilities. I wasn’t encouraged to have a sense of self and explore my interests. I did not feel known by or connected to my parents. And this type of environment is great for sheltering and isolating to the point that abuse is the norm. It made me who I am and I’ve had the opportunity to grow from it but I wasn’t properly educated, I still struggle massively socially.
I grew up in a family of 8 kids! We honestly all love and care deeply for each other, but that doesn’t mean we always got/get along. We fight just like any other siblings. My mom had to keep my younger sister and I separated as kids, because we fought so much compared to my other siblings. We grew up in a smaller house relative to our family size, but boys and girls were separated, and we still had spaces for ourselves and we lived on property. I could never imagine how horrible it would be, to be forced to grow up in a cramped bus with all my siblings and parents, and be made to make internet content all day long.
@@Scooterride13 that video convinced me there's no schooling going on of any kind because they spend their hours rehearsing. The way the smiles drop makes it seem like they've been practicing for awhile for one dumb reel and are completely over it.
how so? I'm not saying whether they enjoy it or not, but as someone who consistently made and did "performances" (pre-social media) with family and friends for fun, I'm positive we dropped our smiles after a few takes. It's also normal if you are going from "performing" to not to change your facial expression....it would be unusual if they didn't. Also, "performing" here is just a word I am using to describe, not a criticism. I don't think it's like child acting at all. (Would I do the same with my kids and post on social media? No. Would I do the same and share with friends? Yes.) While I think social media is something that should be explored more, I think likening these to child acting and labor is a gross overstatement. Again, we only see a snippet. We don't actually know their life and what they do/don't enjoy.
Hooray for Illinois and the gutsy legislators that created and voted for the law! I'd like to know more details. Hopefully it's not a weak law with giant loopholes, and the penalties are stiff. Low penalties would be laughable to content creators making millions off their exploited children.
@@tarbhnathrac according to the articles I've read, if a child is in 30% or more of the content, the parents must take a portion of their income and place it in a trust for the child until they turn 18. The articles did not specify how much they had to put in.
I know we’re supposed to respect peoples religions but how is this not being studied?? Like, if you talk to god (prayer) that’s one thing but god talking *to you*?? Straight to the looney bin
@@pileofwit is it homelessnes if you can afford to move to a house in their selected area at any point? 🤔 Technically, homelessnes can be a lifestyle choice, but it seldom is.
While I don't agree with filiming their kids the way they are I see nothing wrong with van life. Wanting to take a few years to explore the world is really cool so why not film it and make some money. The kids are getting a better education exploring the world than sitting in a stuffy school. I know there is a lot of bad things with these types of pages but I do see some good things. Film your van life but only if there are no kids involved.
@@peggancox4493 For sure. But also only film if it makes you happy. Creating and posting social content is a time consuming and draining process even if you like doing it, and it would suck if that took joy out of the experience you are trying to share.
As someone from a family with 11 kids, I would never recommend having that many. I was #3 and was moved out before the 2 youngest were even born. None of my siblings have good relationships with my parents currently. Growing up, they were always stressed out and everyone was constantly grumpy. I CANNOT imagine being crammed into that little of space with that large of a family. I personally, battled depression and severe anxiety for the majority of my teen years into adulthood. Looking back I’m pretty sure my chaotic childhood, overwhelming amounts of responsibility, and lack of parental guidance played into that.
That sounds truly terrible. I think some people can truly cope and actually be successful with having and raising 11 kids but those kinds of people are few.
My husband was number 7 of 8. Same thing. Everyone is still grumpy and stressed out and he struggles with anxiety and depression. I have two children and I’m telling you right now, you can love all your children but you cannot be a parent fully to that many children.
My grandma was the youngest of 12, born in 1923 to a mother born in 1885 - no issues at all. She remained in close contact with both her parents, all but one of her siblings, and all but one of her aunts and uncles. Her mother stayed at home full time and the father worked on a farm, so he was around. I'm the youngest of 2 - most family relationships are strained or ruined (I get along with my parents and the 3 of us get along well with some of our second cousins, but almost every family in the broader family tree is struggling, apart from our second cousins... who have 6 kids). Having done 20 years working with teenagers, my takeaway from my experience (which is limited to one city in Australia, but spans roughly 1000 teenagers) is that a marriage between two people built on working toward the other person's good, and the parents' capacity to be forgiving and loving towards each other even on interrupted sleep, appear to be the two biggest indicators of healthy parent-child relationships. The majority of teenagers with really troubling relationships with their parents that I see come from families of two or less kids.
What disgusts me the most about this type of families (besides the exploitation) is that I find it almost impossible to meet the childrens' needs when they have too many: no privacy, too much responsibility for the oldests... Personally, I think that having kids nonstop is narcissistic.
to add to this - there has to be a special kind of childhood trauma as a result of this. the children can’t get out, they only socialise amongst each other, and the parents have free reign to impose whatever insane beliefs they have on them. it seems like more of a hostage situation than a family to me.
Personally, I think having biological kids in this day and age, knowing the climate likely won’t be able to support them into old age, is narcissistic. However many.
My heart sank when I saw the beginning of this post. Being the eldest girl in a family of 9, I would like to say that the older children are taking care of the younger children, especially the eldest girl. There is no possible way that the parents are able to take care of those children on their own. I gave up my childhood to raise my brothers and sisters. I have traveled with all of them in a motorhome and it was a huge motorhome. There was no where to escape or be alone. I was called selfish for wanting my own privacy and life and I imagine they all need to toe the line. I am old now but everytime I see the “large families” with smiles on I know that it is for the public image and not the happiness of the children. I can't imagine all the online apps being used to show the “perfect family” but I am sure it would have been used by my parents to make money. My heart goes out to these children 💔 I got to go to school but the younger ones were homeschooled and missed out on a lot. There is a right way and a wrong way to do homeschooling. The right way does not include the children laboring or “showing” in order to make the parents money.
RIGHT! I live in a rather large, bougie RV with my husband and our 3 cats and even that sometimes feels cramped. I couldn’t IMAGINE putting that many people/children in that same small space. That’s INSANITY! And child abuse, if you ask me!!
We’re a family of 3 living in a 1300 sqft house and we’re already saving up to get a more spacious space when my son becomes a teen (yeeears from now). I can’t imagine living in a 200sqft bus, omg.
My coworker has 8 kids. 4 biological 4 adopted. Her 2 oldest were always the babysitters and always looked miserable. The 2 oldest graduated highschool and moved away asap. My coworker's husband is an "entrepreneur," so my coworker is the breadwinner and is always spread thin. They also foster children. Right now, they have 3 foster children. One is 8 months old. As someone looking in from the outside, they all look miserable and exhausted.
The baby is also regularly shown lying on a little sheepskin on THE FLOOR, in the middle of the bus, while the other 7 children are crammed and struggling to move around. He could so easily be stepped on or had something dropped on him. :(
I was thinking the same thing! There is no trundle, their bed literally folds off the wall and goes over top of the couch. I'd be terried the bed would break and smash the toddler! *I was mentioning the trundle due to another commenter
My grandmother had six children by age 27 and she told all her daughters when they got married, "do not nave 6 children, you will not have enough time to give them what they deserve." and she was a homemaker while my grandfather was in the army. There's a reason why people have less kids these days because resources are tight. And maybe you have enough physical resources but your hours in the day are always a finite resource. Big famlies can be wonderful and people find happiness in them of course! But it's something that you have to consider when adding more and more people dependent on you.
I've always wanted a large family (grew up as an isolated only child), but my husband and I agreed on 4 children being the maximum amount, maybe 5 if we have twins the last time around. ^^ But even though I am a full time SAHM I don't think there would be enough hours in the day to care for 8 children without neglecting any of them.
preach your shit and im absolutely tired of people making fun/putting down others for not having plenty of kids either. im a demisexual (or asexual idrk) but ive always set on the fact i wanted atleast 1 or two children, most likely two because im an only child and i know what it feels like to be alone 100% of the time but id be damned if someone was just like "lol ur not a real parent bc u dont have 30 children" HUH? its kinda goofy 🤕 big families are so cool when you're able to maintain them and atleast have all the children when you and the partner are all settled with a few bucks n stuff to provide for all for them but ur so right, things are tight as hell rn, so its definitely something u gotta consider before doing
I agree. I have two sisters and even that could be difficult at times, especially when my sisters were still babies (we also had pets, which take time, too). But how can parents be there for their older kids if they constantly have a baby and a toddler?
"you will not have enough time to give them what they deserve." - That's such a good point. People can only split their attention so many different ways in a day and at some point the time runs out.
I’m so tired of influencer “Christians” making it impossible for the rest of us “regular” Christians to exist and appear to be normal humans with rational and logical thought patterns. God did not tell you to build an ark, sir, and if He did, then keep it to yourself. As my pastor says, “just because you’re a Christian, it doesn’t mean you have to be weird.” For goodness’ sake
lol, I love this. Thanks. I'll have to use that quote from your pastor. Did everyone forget that verse to 'live a quiet life?' I'm a faithful Christian and normal and live around normal people, and then I have to see people like this and tell others 'Christians aren't really like that!'
@@chrys77cross I’m totally not talking about that and you’re taking it completely out of context. Obviously we know we won’t live like the world. But we don’t have to appear like freaks to the world either.
I’m one of 8 kids myself, and I love all my siblings and wouldn’t trade them for the world, but I wish I grew up in a somewhat smaller family. To this day, it is weird for me to spend time alone with my parents. They came to visit me last year and I spent an entire day with them by myself, and it felt so strange, like I wasn’t sure what to say to them or how to act. I realized I had never had their full attention before and I was receiving it for the first time at 30 years old.
Oh that is just so sad. I've always thought of big families the way I think of big classrooms. There is so much talk about how many students per teacher and how the lower the number of students the better off they are in class because they can get more attention. Same thing in huge families, the more kids the less time they get 1 on 1 with the parents. In your case it sounds like it was pretty much ZERO 1 on 1 time!
@@veraaddoyobo8482 yes, that's very true. in any family, a child might not get enough attention because the parents don't have the capacity/interest in attending to their kids' needs, or because one child has a lot more needs than the other children. in my case, it was specifically because there were so many of us. my parents did (and do) love all of us and were very dedicated parents. my mom was a mostly-stay-at-home mom for a long time, and her world revolved around raising us for years. in spite of that, there still were just way too many kids for us all to get the time and attention we needed.
I recently explained my feelings about family vloggers to my 9yo grandson. He loved watching the outdoor boys channel on RUclips. He thought about what I said and has since decided not to watch any channels with children anymore. He prefers outdoor channels anyway and finds plenty of content to consume. Could not be more proud of him.
Children, being minors, cannot give informed consent about anything. Therefore, everything a parent does is exploitation. Signing your kid up for football or singing lessons is considered exploitation, using your lologic.
@@TomikaKelly Wow, you just love deliberately missing the point left and right, don't you? You have no business talking about "logic" if you can't even comprehend what's being argued.
Dang, I was gonna say “how does she possibly have a solid OBGYN for appointments and birth” but she gave birth with no medical care?! Also, if you’re fostering or adopting, you have to have separate rooms for girls and boys. How do families with all their own kids get away with rooming them together like that?!
@@elizabethkarner6687i think the “honouring god” part is them not using any protection and pumping out as many babies as possible, just like in the olden day. back in school one of my teachers knew a family who did the exact same thing, using the same excuse, because according to them “god said in the bible that this is what they should do”. it’s insane, especially because that family wasn’t that well off and they could barely support all their kids (i think they had 6-8) and they still kept making more. it’s so damn sad
I read her comments on one of her videos about the newest baby, her labor went so fast that baby was born on the bus… that’s very likely after having given birth 7 times before. Apparently each baby comes quicker than the last for most women. So by baby 8, I can see how baby would fly out 😅
Because it’s very rare for biological kids to molest one another, it’s very overwhelmingly and terrifyingly common in foster kids under the same roof who are not biologically related, I believe it was Illinois where they couldn’t stop one of the boys from raping and molesting the girls he was being fostered with (no he was not arrested because he was 11-12) that’s why they separate rooms for boys and girls
@@mushroomwroom It's literally a whole movement called "quiverfull" based on Psalm 127:3-5 It's absolutely wild to me (I'm a Christian) how people will ignore everything the Bible says about caring for the poor, fighting for justice, and putting others before yourself but will then cling onto a completely misinterpreted set of verses and build a whole weird cult family.
Being a single, full time working dad, with four kids aged 5,6,9,11 living in a 550 square foot house I find it impossible to believe that those kids are happy. My kids are surprisingly nice to each other, knock on wood, but that only means that there’s a limited amount of conflict between them every day. Cramming twice the amount of kids on half the space and not having them go to school and daycare is something I couldn’t imagine putting kids through Seeing her husband’s expression from the deleted video gives me anxiety filled memories of living with my kids mom. Every time I feel tired, multiple times per day, I remember that I’m happier and more well off single and tired under my own control
I'm so happy you've found freedom from that marriage, your kids will see the change and this will hopefully teach them not to put up with abuse in their future relationships! You're doing great 😊
Just found your account and why are you not more known?! Ive been binging your videos and they are so well made and explained so well and honestly has information I never knew I needed! Thank you!
My son was a child actor (started at age 5) and is now an adult actor (20). SAG has VERY strict rules for kids being on set. They often bring in body doubles to run the scenes so that the child actor doesn’t go over their allotted hours. Yes, there is separation for child actors from work but there are auditions to tape, modeling go sees, acting classes, etc. so lots of work behind the scenes that people don’t realize.
And there are legal protections for money child actors make that don't apply to influencer kids. The parents could spend every dime these kids earn for them and not give them anything.
@@milikoshki I was not an abusive stage mom. I told my son anytime he wants to quit, he can quit. He loves acting and at 20 still wants to act but it’s a very tough industry.
Your tone is kind and compassionate while also not shying away from pointing out deep issues. I also love how you take the time to highlight the good that you see as well. Yours is one of my very favorite channels to watch on YT. Thank you for the effort and love you put into each one of your videos!
I'm one of 23 kids. It feels like that's where this family is headed. We often looked like the "happy family" to outsiders but behind closed doors it was so highly dysfunctional. They forgot... babies grow into teenagers and the compliant children are unprepared to go out into the world. I suppose I'm glad social media wasn't available when we were young. We also had the religious aspect. The God I understand now vs the God I knew then... very different. I love my parents but it wasn't until I became a parent myself that I fully grasped how incredibly wrong so many things were. It's certainly been a journey coming to terms with their choices. Love and positive energy to those kids. There's a good chance that's a bus load of people pleasers. Sardine can=control 😔
TWENTY THREE KIDS. I have 2 kids and my body was wrecked afterward. I don't know how your mother did it, or why. It sounds horrible for everyone involved. How did your living situation work???
I don't understand how they think Jesus wants them to exploit their children and gives a hoot about social media. This is what THEY want to do. And if they say they are living a simple life to be like Jesus, they should be giving all their influencer money to the poor. You can't have it both ways.
@@nightcoreeclubnarcissism means you only hear the praise of yourself from God which does happen because God is love. He also reproves and corrects us but if you’re a narcissist you can’t handle that. I have heard God speak to me, even just last week I heard very loudly in my spirit while driving “slow down! You don’t need a ticket!” I slowed down so fast because it scared me, the thought in my mind was so loud. Immediately a police car drove around the turn ahead of me. I had a neighbor growing up who heard God say to her “your daughter just gave birth in the hotel in town and left her baby there, you need to go find her.” She left her house immediately and went straight to the hotel and sure enough, her drug-addicted daughter had abandoned her baby in the hotel room. God does speak to people, but some narcissists use that fact to gain themselves clout when he never said what they say he said.
thank you for pointing out the homelessness bit at the end!! van life falls into the category of “classy if you’re rich, but trashy if you’re poor” situations.
When I was a kid, I knew a family that unfortunately had to live in their minivan until they could afford to move into an apartment. Bus life influencers force this life upon their children yet make lots of money that they could use to give their kids a better life, yet force them to live on top of one another in a stunning display of financial abuse.
My best friend in fifth grade, Quin Na Pham Thi, lived with her entire family in a van and it was not pleasant at all. I don't even think nowadays people would watch their "adorable shenanigans" on social media and they would thrive.
I’m stressed that my fiancé and I got pregnant like as soon as we signed a lease for a studio apartment and having a newborn in a studio for a few months…. I can’t imagine having a newborn on a bus with NINE other people. I feel like that baby doesn’t get a quiet moment 😭
Illinois has a new law for children featured on monetized social media postings!! If a child is featured on at least 30% of monetized content, they’re entitled to 15% of the income, by law, in a trust account they can access when they’re 18. At that time, they can also request their image be removed from these accounts. If a parent refuses, the child can pursue legal action. This law actually goes a step further than Coogan laws, at least to my potentially outdated knowledge, by naming a required percentage of income.
I just read up on it and see that "Maryland has also introduced a “right to be forgotten”, which is a bill for minors to request having their content removed from the internet. This is so awesome and a step in the right-direction. I just still worry that some parents may have the attitude of "Let's continue to use them in our content "for their future" and if they don't like it when they grow up, they can have their info removed."
That’s awesome. I worry that it takes a lot for the kids, even as adults, to stand up to their parents in these cases. Especially with some of these devoutly religious families where the child has been told they need to obey their parents etc. I think a lot of kids might struggle with having the fortitude to fight for what they are owed. Hopefully there are advocacy groups or something.
California Child Actor's Bill - Known as the Coogan Act, it stipulates that 15% of a child performer's earnings must remain in trust for them until the child reaches adulthood. The Coogan Act provides that a trustee manages the funds set aside for the child in accordance with strict investment guidelines.
Noooooo she’s in an MLM!!! Classic. They’re super religious, have a bunch of kids, homeschooling, saying God shall provide while in multiple MLM, being a crypto bro & exploiting their children that they have via home birth. That’s a whole black mirror SEASON!!! Ugh
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It is so sed to see these children grow up with a camera in their face as thier normal! About one week ago, a 7 or maybe 8-year-old girl of a familybloger family (5 Kinds 2 parents), grabs her mom's phone to make a lot of RUclips shorts with her friend and her brother. The songs she used wear inappropriate and the camera angels wear disturbing!
Thankfully, the parents notice the Videos and they wear delete next day.
I hope we'll get a video on ASMR content creators... Especially food ASMR
100 % agree with your assessment.
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I think they are crazy ass hell
This family is getting away with this under the “classy if you’re rich, trashy if you’re poor” mindset. I can guarantee this would not fly if this couple was not in their privileged position.
It also boils my blood that kids can be used for social media without any protections.
I don’t fault people who are doing the best they can with the income they earn, but if you choose to put 6 of your kids in one tiny room and your toddler on the floor when you could do better, that’s not right. And with them being all over each other in that confined space, I hope those kids have headphones. These kids are going to have trauma when they’re older, if they don’t already. Edit: I just got to the part where Hannah describes the bus rocking. 😂
@@kconway2263wholeheartedly agree!
@@kconway2263wholeheartedly agreed!
Thats why they have all these kids... for content and the attention. Its just an aesthetic and its gross.
It reminds me of the early days of Hollywood when child actors had zero protections. The field of child acting is still terrible, but those kids at least have *some* laws protecting them. Social media kids have basically none.
Low income parents are constantly shamed because they have kids sharing a room, but this is fine?
ikr. The latter has the means and chooses to give a poorer lifestyle to their kids. Or maybe it's all pretense and they actually have a masnion lol
yup, we are saving to buy a bigger house but right now our kids (2 yrs and 3mo) have to share a room and we got a lot of criticism about it from family and friends.
@@wolfsmaid6815 Ignore them, there's nothing wrong with children sharing a room.
@@wolfsmaid6815 my kids 6 and 8 have shared a room since the youngest was born (3 mon)They are close in age and has worked out well. They also have a playroom
@@wolfsmaid6815what! that is shameful, millions of kids share a room. Unless your family and friends are going to finance a bigger house for you they need to mind their own damn business.
I remember one time a daughter on one of these insanity family buses wanted to SLEEP IN A HOTEL for her birthday. It's so sad.
That is truly sad. All of these families need to be investigated and held accountable!
Our family of 5 has been living in a trailer for 8 years now (it's all we can afford) and we do book ourselves into a hotel for Christmas as a treat. We house-sit every chance we get. We don't love living this way and are planning a move to another state next year to afford a house, but my kids are teens now and their younger years were really the ones I would've wanted to have a house for. So yeah, life is hard and sad in some ways.
@@KarinAllison my daughter and I are in a tough situation too and I feel for you. It’s different when you can’t afford enough space. You care about it and want to make it better, just like I do. Instead of being rich and doing it on purpose to make more money, like these idiots. Sending love to you ❤️
@@KarinAllison I’ve actually thought about the “van life” for my teenage daughter and me, but right now we live with my mom who has dementia bc I take care of her. But it’s always in my thoughts…would she have enough room for her privacy? I cannot believe these people are so blind to their children’s needs. They don’t need a ton, but they do need the option of privacy and a little space. It’s rough out here, I get it 😭
Oh gosh. Those kids are messed up. Why is there no stricter laws about children in the US? For example, here in Germany everybody HAS to go to school, no exceptions. it makes abuse like this harder
My grandma had 16 kids. They absolutely didn’t get enough love and attention. I can’t imagine 8 is any better
True ,,,no enough time in a day ..or even mum energy
Im the oldest of 9 kids. Amazing parents, but I did not get the love i needed as a kid
Coming from a large family, these big families often rely on the labor of the older children to run the household. Parentification is a huge problem and often results in strained and imbalanced relationships between the older children and their parents.
I was just going to comment the same thing. The way parents split themselves among 8 children is that they don’t. I would be shocked if the oldest 2 aren’t responsible for a lot of the child care.
Yesss parentification is so hard for kids and it happens frequently with families that are too big for the parents to handle without help
You are 100% correct! Any parent of 2+ kids will tell you that, even if one parent stays at home, it’s a CRAP TON of work. Being able to parent 8 children is next to impossible without help, and unfortunately these types of people don’t hire help or ask family/friends to assist. They make their teens secondary and tertiary parents. It’s disgusting.
Excellent point.
I'm the eldest of four and was parentified .... even when it was just me and my brother considering we didn't live full time with my two half siblings I was STILL the second/third/fifth parent.. I can't even fathom being the eldest in a family this large
Also - the absolute hypocrisy of them demonising screen time and phones for their kids whilst at the same time making videos of their kids for others to watch on their screen time and phones and making money from it… insane!
The kids are truly cut off from other people. I was hoping they at least had friends on line. This is such a ripe place for abuse
I assumed that they don't have screens (ie cell phone ) is because they could see other people's lives and realize theirs in not typical. Plus they could call for help.
yeah be consistent. both are wrong
Hypocrisy is the bedrock of Christian values. They’re just following their “faith”.
exactly my thought
It’s extremely concerning that the oldest daughter has no privacy. Imagine going through puberty as a girl and not having your own space or being around other girls your age. Same with the teen boy. You share space with your sisters and have no other teens to befriend
Especially because they have the money for that space!!
@ville__omg youre absolutely disgusting
Recipe for tragedy
and no access to devices to make/keep friends with either, apparently. I would have at least one mental breakdown a day, especially since the older kids may be able to remember "normal" life.
When I was a teen, my parents took my door off its hinges for a week as punishment for slamming my door too many times. Having all these kids in one room is like that but 100 times worse. Their daily sleeping arrangement is worse than my punishment. 😢
As someone who grew up in something like this(no bus involved) but the fake homeschooling, never seeing doctors, not going to school, being locked in a small place, I can confirm as an adult it is so super hard to read social ques to make friends and to understand whats going on. We tend to accidentally gravitate towards people who will take advantage of us, control, or backstab us because it is familiar and we don't even realize what we are doing. Its hard to get a job, start families, be successful in anything at all really. We just struggle all the damm time. Its so freaking tiring. Not to say we can't be successful just that any success we have we are still at a huge disadvantage compared to others.
I grew up in a family where my mom didn't trust the system and pulled us out of school to live in the middle of nowhere for our teens years. I relate to this. I struggled alot with socialization and preparing as an adult when you are sheltered and isolated and not even properly schooled (it felt like unschooling at times). It's not healthy by any means and certainly isn't fair to the child's development.
Q: what if thats hereditary and you wouldve been like that no matter what? I’m autistic so I struggle with all that after living a “normal” life. Isolation is the only way to escape it for people like me.
A man gets a calling to make an “ark”. Isolates family … is this the start of a true crime doc?!
If it's not, it'll certainly be a line in a scholarly article about the long-term psychological effects of this lifestyle on children.
its definitely the perfect situation for abuse. no one can even report it cause theyre always moving
For real, if this guy was Moslem or anything other than white and Christian people would probably riot and call him a terrorist in the making.
i'd swear it wouldn't be the first time it has happened
Stephanie Harlowe material! These people are deeply creepy.
I love that you’re not afraid to call creators out.. it’s a fact that some creators are so desperate for fame that they forget regular human values
Or, quite likely, they just never HAD normal human values ... just an overabundance of greed.
But…but…it’s “Noah’s Ark” *typed whilst giggling* 😂😂😂😂😂
Knowing that their biggest channel is on Instagram, they don’t make money from that platform. The only way to make money on Instagram is through sponsorships. Do they ever do sponsored videos? Wondering if there is any proof that they are exploiting their kids for cash or if they just are being exploited solely for the fame.
And while doing this she does not just dump on these people but wants us to think about what we are consuming. I stopped watching mommy channels after realizing how horrible it must be when (especially creepy) people watch your childhood publicly
Hannah, to me, seems to be the most genuine and authentic content creator out of all the celebrity world.
If I were a UPS worker and a family of ten rolled up in a bus to weigh their baby on one of my scales, I would probably call social services
Absolutely
I thought the same thing
And you would be a hero to that baby
That clip was despicable. They have no shame, and I would have absolutely refused to let them use the scale if I worked there.
I came to the comments looking for this. Absolutely revolting bc it’s clear they can do better.
I come from a family of 10 and we were home schooled most of my life (up until the end of year 9). Personally, I never got much attention from my mother. My father gave more attention and time, but not a lot. He tried but when there are a lot of other kids, especially when each of us are 2-3 years apart, it made it hard. My mother "home schooled" us. I now struggle with math, geography, basic science, etc. I am a youth worker, and young people who are 9+ can answer math and geography related questions before I could. We didn't live in a bus, but it was still hard to find living arrangements in HOUSES. I can't imagine a bis situation. My father worked 100+ hours a fortnight to keep up with the expenses that come with having that big of a family. My mother wanted a big family./ She was constantly complaining about how tired she was, or how much she had to do, how how annoying we were when we need or required attention. When it came to the schooling side of things, we got MAYBE 10 minutes a day from her in tutoring, otherwise she would just leave us to school ourselves pretty much. She was also religious and unstable. We grew up in and our of churches, different beliefs, etc. and while yes, I do have a faith, I do not go to church, or have many friends who do. Nor do any of my siblings. The trauma that churches have given me, and the constant moving and switching around from my mother has left a big impact on not only myself, but my other siblings too.
We stopped home-schooling once I reached year 10. My mother and father had gotten divorced and my mother found a new husband, and decided that she didn't want to do anything anymore. so she dumped 5 of us on my father. She ended up leaving, saying (and I quote) "I have done 20 years of parenting and schooling, and now its time to do something for myself. I am tired."...Her youngest at the time was 6 years old.
My childhood (personally, as I cannot speak for my siblings) was not great. I have very little memories of anything good. I am 24 years old, and still working through a lot of trauma surrounding schooling, no privacy at home, constantly moving, etc. I will never have a big family, and my goal is to stay in one house, and give the children that I do plan on having, a stable home, with all the attention they need. It is not healthy to have a massive family, or home school (in my opinion). It leaves children behind developmentally and emotionally.
This is just my opinion on it all, and my experience.
Those kids aren't far off from moving out, getting their own TikTok accounts, and spilling the beans on all the horrific stuff happening when the cameras are off.
If they're ever allowed to do so...
@@gmun2248 They'll move out of the bus one day....
I’d be plotting my escape if I were the teenager. I’d move with a family member or something
I deeply hope those kids will get out of this messed up situation, but it's easier to say than to be done. You need some cash to move out. Hard to say if family members [grandparents for example] would be willing to take those kids in.
If that family are constantly on the way, those teen kids have no chance to get a job. IDK if parents would share their income [in which kids participated!] to help them be independent.
Still, again I hope those kids will success. This lifestyle must be a torture. Zero privacy. Zero friends. Nights "concerts" made of crying baby and parents moans while making new baby.
It's a hell.
I would absolutely run away to a relative and get emancipated if I were the oldest!
@HannahAlonzo: As the second to last of a family about this size, I was an afterthought. In every single aspect, throughout my entire childhood and after. My parents didn't give a damn about my health, physical growth, hobbies, school, anything.
In fact, it was a TEACHER who not only caught my poor vision, but actually took me to GET glasses, after she tried and failed to convince my parents of the need for a pair.
The glasses would have been free if my parents had taken me, as our universal health care covers it. But they just did not want to, my mother even said "She's faking it for attention."
My teacher paid for them herself. One of my greatest regrets is that I can't tell her how much she meant to me, she was very special.
I vividly remember staring out the window on our way back, amazed by the trees. I had no idea they were so beautiful, with leaves. Obviously I knew about leaves, but I'd never seen them ON trees, they'd always been a big green blob.
The joy on your face at seeing leaves and the world around you better , is how she knew how much this meant to you.
@@judithamooney I hope so, I really do. It was a very rough school, and massively underfunded. My class bullied her out of that school within a year, her first year of teaching. I wasn't part of the bullies, I adored her. It was so sad when I heard she had left, but at the same time, I felt she deserved better, so I was happy for her.
Still, I wish I could find out her name, and let her know:
"You were the ONLY one, the one single person, who saw me, who helped me, and it meant so incredibly much. I have never, not once, forgotten your kindness. You gave me hope. You gave me strength to keep going. You literally opened my eyes. Thank you is not enough, but, thank you."
I'm crying as I type this, for good reasons. Great teachers can save lives.
I think the most appalling thing about a parent saying “she’s faking it for attention” as a response is that they’re _acknowledging_ that on some level they aren’t paying enough attention to their child and then they’re proceeding to do nothing about it but shame said child
@@ND-iw1nr That is such a beautiful story! I wonder if you could even contact the school district to find out the names of past teachers, or maybe the school library would have an old yearbook? I hope that you find her one day.
Thank you for the example. My husband came from a too large family. His only sister's vision was so bad she didn't know that there were wires between telephone poles. She finally got glasses based on a school nurse screening. One older brother was completely ignored and became an alcoholic by his teens. Several of them did not get the health care and educational interventions they needed. His parents were nice people but there is just not enough time in the day to properly care for eight souls. And it was religion that drove them to it. So when wacko religious parents have kid after kid in a time of severe over-population, I'm disgusted. And when they turn it into a business vlog, I can't even.
"Your children don't have screens - but they appear a lot on ours" is hands down the most disturbing thing I've heard in a while. Also, them gushing over how their kids are each other's best friends is such a red flag when you realize those kids have no other options in friends or best friends if they're homeschooled, constantly on the move and don't even have a phone to chat with anyone else at all.
Not even to call a support line or straight up CPS, that's what I'd be aiming to do if someone stuck me in a shoebox with seven siblings, and parents that make me act out cringe for clout.
I wonder what the legalities of their situation are. Since they’re traveling in other countries, there might not even be a way to hold them responsible for any issues.
Yep, I don't get how "My kids are best friends" is a flex, when the only contact they have with other children is with their siblings
@@MarthaSpizziri It would blow my mind if you could travel across the US breaking laws and be untouchable only because you're 'just moving through' the country while you're actively abusing your children...for example. Even if somehow that wouldn't be breaking the law in the country they are the citizens of, if they are in a different country where it is illegal, they should be held responsible for it.
That's at least how EU would handle it - when in Rome, do as the Romans do or end up in jail.
Reminds me of a real-life "The Truman Show"
I have to wonder how it does not "blow your mind" that these men and women were sent to foreign wars to shed their blood in horrific conditions amidst daily atrocities, but when they come home to a free country, some think they don't deserve to board a fully equipped luxury recreational vehicle built with their own hands and travel at their leisure with family members for as long as they care to.
Why should they not lead their own lives? Why should they be puppets of warmongering and nothing more? Haven't they done their tour of duty?
We live in a free country that allows freedom of movement from sea to shining sea. It doesn’t blow your mind that in a free world filled with so-called enlightenment and intelligence with all of its potential for constructive use, people presume men and women should be sent to die in unnecessary wars? *That* doesn't blow your mind?
What blows your mind is after returning from a war zone, to a free world, where they deserve to live in peace, amidst law and order, as law abiding citizens in their own country as they choose? They are "too mobile"?
Their lives are dispensible in a war? You're not concerned they should be mobilized to be sacrifices in a combat zone? No objections? No concern? But in peace they cannot enjoy freedom or mobility? You presume they shouldn't be able to choose their mobile lifestyle in a free world? They can't live in peace in an RV? They can die for you in a bloody war, but they can't enjoy a peaceable life with their family in an RV? You can put them in tanks 24 hours a day in a 120 degree desert for 6 months and they can come back disabled or suffering
PTSD and unknown diseases. You can put them on warships away from their families in 18 square feet under enemy attack for five years going to and fro in a war zone. But they can't drive an RV, live in safety and sanity, recover in the countryside with their immediate family for a few years? You lost me. How is that sensible?
I appreciate that you blurred kids faces. It's crazy that there is no law protecting these kids.
As someone who grew up in a very similar situation, your points are spot on. The older kids are 100% caring for/raising the younger ones. I would also like to add that while the kids may think they’re okay with this situation, when they become adults and realize how they were treated their feelings about it will almost certainly change. Children want to make their parents happy, and probably think that they’re fine with having their lives blasted all over social media. As an adult, they’re going to realize how much their privacy was violated in order to monetize a lifestyle that they probably won’t agree with in a few years.
Using your kids to make money on social media is disgusting and shouldn’t be legal.
I second this!!
Oldest of 7 here, confirming that the chance that that the older kids, ESPECIALLY the daughter, DON'T have to carry some of the parenting load is pretty much zero. I'm sure the eldest son feels a lot of it too, but daughters in this kinds of situation are so often expected to take on the role of assistant mother
Everyone know no one was asking when they were going to be making another kid one month after the youngest was born. All influencers claim, "Everyone is asking....."
'god told me we need to pack up and leave' gives strong 'the authorities are after me' - vibes
You're right, good catch
Yep, as someone who goes to church, not even my pastors would dare to say God told them anything. When people start speaking like this, it means they have a warped understanding of religion, maybe even don't feel it at all and are insecure about that, and are faking it to try to convince others they are super blessed. On the other hand, they could have a mental disorder if they don't understand that strong feelings and impulse decisions are not by default holy messages.
I’m sure if the “authorities” were after them, they wouldn’t be plastered all over social media.
Covering up for those bad spirits actually talking to him
The guy had a whole crypto bro stage so I wouldn't be surprised. They also headed off to South American and tried to have an anchor baby in a country without extradition for a while there but that seemed to go wrong.
No one else finds it disturbing to imagine that 7 kids in a bus live with their parents whose main goal is to keep getting pregnant?
8 kids 🙃
No escape to school, sports, lessins, church, or neighbors or friends houses...so much they are missing out on...
@@carrieaponte8726 Ew..yeah.. when do they have time?! Do they make them go out side for a certain amount of time? Gross
No one misses out on church 😂@@icu3869
"OK, kids! Put in your headphones! Mommy and daddy need to make you a new costar... I mean, sibling!" There is not enough room there for the older kids to not notice when stuff is happening. The amount of therapy they will need is crazy.
I LOVE my sister. We are truly best friends. HOWEVER there was a month where we had to share a hotel bed and have zero privacy due to a house fire, and by the end I had a complete mental breakdown. Being close with your family doesn’t mean you don’t need alone time and personal space.
Oh we're getting a documentary about how traumatizing this was in a few years, guaranteed
I was thinking the same thing
Or a dateline episode
I agree, i think there will be a whole generation of social media children who will have a lot to process when they become adults.
Absolutely
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The fact that you are more respectful of these children’s privacy than their own parents is a really sad commentary on their parents.
She probably doesn't want her comments disabled which RUclips will do if she shows children in her videos
@@laking8675is that a bad thing?
The way she treats her infant like a prop is horrifying. She never supports his head, jiggles him around constantly while he's trying to sleep, and he's suffered at least three sunburns in her care. It's disgusting watching her in a hat and sunglasses while her unprotected baby fries in the sun.
Sunburnt her baby MULTIPLE times?! 😮 That is beyond the pale.
Just like Bella Lambert with her adopted daughter Story... someone need to make videos about this crazy "mom"
@@TsunaKimchi what happened to story?
@@hijabigirl18yeah, what’s going on with Bella & Story? 🤔
Follow DCP he is covering her vlogs @@TsunaKimchi
She’s constantly talking about her education plan and how she’s “getting ready” to publish it to help others. You can’t convince me they’re not on the road so they can stay ahead of CPS.
She said it herself in one of her reels: "My toxic trait is continuing to add things to my life that depend on me for survival." She said the quiet part out loud. She is doing this to fill some hole in her life. She needs people that depend on her- that's what determines her self worth. And she keeps having kids thinking that need will be met and that hole will be filled, and she's just digging herself deeper. What she needs is therapy and birth control.
Right?! You cannot convince me that this whole situation ISN'T straight up abuse. I understand not everyone has the means to live in a space large enough for their whole family, but this specific circumstance is clearly very different as they DO have the means and are choosing an extreme. Even if the parents turned out to be angels about everything else, just the fact that the kids are forced into living arrangements like this is enough to damage them for life. It really makes me wonder how you're supposed to integrate into society after growing up like that.
I mean she's a military vet from what I'm hearing. If it's Iraq ones... Well let's say troops were doing lots of warcrimes as usual in this conflict towards a local population specifically. I would not be surprised if people's psyche would get screwed or destroyed along with their morals.
They also think that raising kids is about the parents' development, so they have kids to serve the parents, not because they actually just want to have a nice family.
@@rebelbelle1388 I don't think she meant she needed her kids to fill a hole in a maternal way but in an attention way, she's birthing a fan club that is dependent on her. I don't think she has any maternal feeling towards Boone the way she has been treating him and ignoring his medical needs, but she loves him for the likes and clicks he brings her.
Not to mention calling her children "things." She views them as props for her videos and nothing more.
I don’t understand why the child actor and labor laws don’t seem to apply here. RUclips needs to take an active role in this issue.
Yes, Your correct! ALL platforms need to ban this! Get an honest job parents and budget properly! What happens now if they can’t upload? The kids are going to be thrown into The System!
Especially after the 8 Passengers fiasco
RUclips needs its ad revenue... Look at the Mr beast drama on literally casino'ing the brains of their child audience
Several countries have or are passing legislation to limit and even prevent this the latest country I heard about is France
The Feds and the States would have to pass child labor laws for the children included as content on social media. The easiest would probably be a Federal law as it would be easy to avoid the States that enforce child labor laws for SMS.
You cannot convince me that all 8 of these children are happy and healthy and they all live together with zero issues.
Edited to add: YES, I’m well aware that even families who don’t live in a bus have issues. Thanks to those who clearly don’t read the comments before them and repeat the same sentiment. It’s kinda not the point though! This family present themselves this way, as being happy, healthy with no issues, it’s the entire premise of their brand. I’m not saying they’d be happier in a mansion with a bedroom each and a pony. I’m just saying I’m not convinced that this family are as happy, healthy and issue free as they portray themselves to be.
I have 3 children, I am a stay at home mom, I am at their disposal any time they need me, and even with 3 children it’s too much. Someone always needs something, to talk about something, for me to help with something. It’s not easy with 3 if you are giving them your full attention and taking care of their needs.
Having so many kids like those two, no way are those kids getting the attention they need and their individual needs met.
My 3 kids are all different, different personalities, different temperaments, and even I know you gotta customize your parenting style and approach to each child. And that right there is exhausting. What works for one doesn’t work for the other. And you have to be flexible.
The cookie cutter approach doesn’t apply when raising children unless the parent chooses to out of laziness.
They actively ignore their kids' medical issues. The boy with glasses had a severe lazy eye until enough people left comments for the parents to take him to get glasses.
All families have issues whether they live in a mansion with 2 children or a shack with 12 children. Not living on a bus with 8 children doesn't guarantee an issue-free life.
@@JenekksThere is no way you think kids with actual housing and there own personal space have the same issues this kids might have living in a bus with not even a proper bed like come on you know exactly what people mean.
@@Jenekks good point
I think the question of how many kids are too many kids is a valid question. Whenever I hear people who come from large families talk about how they grew up the girls always say that they had to raise their smaller siblings and the boys usually didn't mind because they could basically do whatever they wanted. As you said in the video there are laws and regulation in place for adopted children/foster children/daycare/schools/prisons etc. about minimum required space or capacity and if these children here were not their biological children it would be impossible for them to live like that.
I would say it depends on culture too. A lot of eastern cultures are very close with extended family meaning the responsibility for family raising are different. Yes some of older siblings but also a huge network of other relatives.
It's absolutely valid. I don't think there should be a law on the books restricting how many kids a woman can birth. That would be unconstitutional. But it absolutely cannot be healthy for the mothers body physically, mentally or emotionally to have ten kids. And I know for a fact it's not good for the children.
200 Square feet with 9 people is 22.22 square feet per a person. The average prison cell is 48 square feet, jails are 70 square feet minimum. Just think about that for a moment
Jesus Christ
well when you put it that way…
1. Actually, it's 10 people (2 adults plus [now] 8 kids). So, 20 (not 22.22) square feet per person.
2. Does the 200 square feet exclude the space taken up by counters and closets, etc.? If not, reduce that 20 square feet per person by at least 2 square feet - so, 18 square feet per person?
Subtract the space dedicated to kitchen cabinets and fixtures and other storage, (guessing about a third) and you’re down to 13.
Point of reference: the suggestion for housing size is 550 per person. That’s obviously flexible due to layout and who the people are, but….
Most people have a cell mate in prison tho
I love this series because it feels like the closest to understanding the true nature of influencing. People make money which is not inherently wrong, but like all jobs, it depends on how you do it and what their intentions are.
Couldn't agree more!
The idea that they know when they know when their parents are getting it on is disgusting! So glad you're bringing attention to this! @@HannahAlonzo
Making an income from social media is going to go the way of the dodo bird. It's just not going to be a thing anymore. These exploitative nutjobs are going to ruin it for everyone.
What if they bus break down
Monetizing your kids is absolutely wrong and I hope there she laws protecting kids from predatory parents who force their kids to perform for social media.
If my husband had a "spiritual awakening" and forced us to move to a bus, I honestly think I'd have to divorce him... lol
Girl same cause wtf
It was a spiritual awakening, but not from God.
as you should
Think? That’s instant divorce in my book!😂
You would have a "marital awakening" and leave 😂
“You and your kids are living in your car, but make it ✨Aesthetic✨”
My Ex tried to FORCE this RV lifestyle on me and my kids. The result was a Divorce. That should pretty much explain everything.
GOOD FOR YOU! This stranger is proud of you ❤
I have four kids and we live in 3 bedroom house and it feels tiny I cannot imagine living in an RV by myself😂
Smart woman ❤
@@jennifercriswell198 Thank you for your kind words 💝 It was still a very Painful decision but I was EXHAUSTED and there comes a point in your Life where you ask yourself if you are going to let someone else run you into the ground like that without receiving any genuine appreciation in return. The kids got fed up too. But our wishes still didn't seem to count ... until I MADE IT count. The RV just may have been that straw that broke the camel's back.
I'm a religious dude, and I think this is a crock. Greed and pride is the driving force behind their decision to live this lifestyle and subject their children to it. Always beware of those who flaunt their belief for monetization.
100% They don't give a darn about their kids. I hate kids, and I even find this cruel and awful. The kids deserve stability and long term relationships
Completely agree. I believe in personal revelation, but as soon as she talked about the husband being called to “build an ark”, like no. I don’t buy that, sorry. 🚩🚩🚩
Apparently God told the father to do this? There is ZERO chance that the God revealed in the Bible tells someone to remove themselves from a church community. Hebrews 10:24-25, Ephesians 4:11-16, Matthew 16:18, Acts 9:31, the implications of Colossians 3:16, all the verses about leaders/ministers/deacons make it clear that if you call yourself a Christian, you should be attending a church to serve/encourage/be served/be encouraged/be taught/be prayed for/be in community etc.
💯💯💯
Isn't greed and pride like the bedrock of religion? I mean it certainly is the bedrock of Christianity as it's currently practiced.
Imagine ur 10 and living in a huge house with your family then one day ur dad has a bout of spiritual psychosis and forces you to live in a bus and never go to school and ur mom keeps having children so the amount of available space is getting smaller and smaller and you can’t ever have a quiet space alone, and you never get a sense of stability nor are in a specific area long enough to build friendships so you only know your family - ur essentially a cult in a bus. Sounds like pure hell
Bingo.
you mean your dad keeps having children
I’m one of 6 kids, and from my own and my siblings’ shared experiences there is absolutely such a thing as too many kids.
The lack of privacy is actually dangerous. This will not end well for many of these kids.
i regret even having had a myspace with my little friend group in elementary school lol. can’t imagine what this would feel like
Not to mention there’s one girl who’s very close to puberty living with her brothers in a tiny space with zero privacy… What about when she gets her period??!
@@lanegirl7826 Sadly I think that's going to be the least of her worries.
@@lanegirl7826 lol oh No NoT hEr PeRiOd. It's no biggie.
@@42ayla I hate to go there but when I heard there’s only one girl and they’re all crammed in like that and getting older, flowers in the attic immediately came to mind… I feel so bad for the girl. I can’t imagine growing up without other girls my age to play with and learn from.
I lived with 9 people in an 80m2 space as a child and it was literal hell. That’s all I have to say. Being a teenager is unbearable in those situations.
I lived in a 35m2 flat with my mom, my grandma and a bunch of cats. It's not many people, but even this lot was too much for me, I felt stuck in a cage, I wanted my own room soooo hard that I even lived in a balcony for some time. Children MUST have their own private place, period!
My feelings are mixed on this because I feel certain that child me would have loved this! However I had not considered becoming a teenager in this environment so I can see your point.
I had 85m2 own room but was already unhappy that is right next to my mum bedroom 😂, I would not survive sharing
@@bracken_3164 Also imagine that you have nowhere to go and get away from them, like school, after school activities. Even when they are out and about somewhere, they don't know anyone... :(
We were 5 people in a roughly 70m2 apartment and I still don't know how we made that work. We didn't have much money and there is a 13 year gap between me the youngest and my oldest sibling who moved out at 18.
As an autistic person, living on a bus with 10 people sounds like my own personal hell. 😅
I’ve raised 2 sons on the autism spectrum and they totally required their own bedrooms and time to decompress from the world. It was a basic need. I can’t imagine putting them through this for an extended period of time!
Definitely. Absolute hell 🔥
Totally agree. I’m not autistic but am ADHD and an introvert, I could not imagine being stuck with this many people 24/7 and no escape 😳
I'm Neuro typical and it sounds like a loving hell to me too 😂. Even if everyone gets along well ALL the time, it's still not ok to live like this. It's child cruelty in my opinion.
not just an autistic person😊
I love your content Hannah! You're clearly not a "hater." You are respectful, thoughtful content creator and you look at things from a balanced perspective. You're kind but able to call people out on their BS.
Ok, I grew up in a large, low income family (9 kids currently). When I only had 6 siblings I lived in a trailer. We were also all homeschooled. It's a similar size and 7 kids is a similar number, so I want to compare that experience.
Me and my siblings were neglected emotionally, academically, and somewhat physically. Our mom was a stay at home mom, but she didn't have the time in the day to properly support all of us. Older kids would be homeschooling younger ones. My oldest sibling, at age 12, helped with the home birth of one of my younger siblings.
We had 3 bedrooms, with 3 kids per room and the youngest with our parents. There was no privacy. My oldest sibling was rooming with 2 toddlers. They hated it. We would spend most of the day outside doing random projects and wandering in the woods. All of us were behind in school to the point cps later put us in public school.
I'm also very worried about the safety of these kids. None of them have phones, which means no ability to call 911 or family tracking apps. They are famous online, which means they have some creepy followers, that's just how it is. Their parents document where they are at any time. They are constantly in an unfamiliar environment. I hate to say it, but I'm extremely worried one of them will be taken advantage of or even kidnapped.
I grew up in a similar situation. It was like a kid farm and we were the livestock.
It absolutely is not appropriate to have older kids with tiny kids. In my situation, there were multiple instances of sexual abuse.
I am so sorry that both of you had to go through that! This is terrible experience 💔
@@amandaschmidt9528 thats unfortunately very common in these situations because the kids are so isolated, you don't develop socially the same way, and their aren't safeguards in place to protect you.
@universal_stupidity it's like the "200 Kids and Counting" show. The oldest son got into trouble for abusing some of the older sisters. I'm not saying it's okay, or justifiable, but when kids aren't socialized properly, sexual, hormonal development doesn't just stop. And it WILL somehow find an outlet, especially in these religious, almost puritan families. It's incredibly irresponsible to put children in these circumstances
Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm sorry your childhood was like this. I hope you're doing ok now.
I never understood the "sex is shameful," but if you're married, "explicitly discuss your sex life at nauseum" in these ultra conservative religious communities.
This isn't normal conservative religious behaviour, don't worry
@Jess_ica2927 in my area it definitely is
These folks want to project that "righteous married sex" is just super lit because God's rewarding them for waiting. I was in that world as an unknowing demisexual, super uncomfortable with all the obsession with sex. Before marriage: thinking about not thinking about it. After: talking about doing it
It all comes down to being preoccupied with sex, I think
@@Jess_ica2927it really is, sex is so shamed in the American Churches, so the second these people have a ’reson’ to be having sex, it seems like it’s all they want to talk about. They’ve needed to surpress the feeling of arousal/curiosity for the sake of wanting to seem pure, that when they no longer need, it’s like they can finally talk about it and become the curious and oversharing teen they never could be out of shame.
The trauma of hearing your parents make your next sibling in a bus that you live in.
Omg, I didn't even think of that ❤❤❤
This was one of my first thoughts when I saw how many children they had! No way those kids haven’t heard it. I heard my dad and stepmom a couple times and was so traumatized by it and I was a teenager. This is just gross.
The question to ask your self is if there was no internet or RUclips, would they still be living like this? It's obvious that the answer is NO.
As a homeschool family, it takes a lot of effort to effectively homeschool your kids. Being part of a community of other kids is so important. These kids have none of that. No friends, no community, no support system. Just siblings.
So true! My sister homeschools and her homeschool community is such a big thing. They go on field trips together, do classes together once a week, etc. The kids also participate in sports/clubs/activities as part of the wider community. Homeschooled should never equal lonely or friendless.
@jackiemartin7276 it is widely assumed that homeschooled kids don't have interactions with other kids. I homeschool my four kids, but they get social interaction with people from our church and they are also in a co-op (sounds like what your sister has her kids in). They definitely aren't deprived of anything!
They actually like their siblings, so it works for them.
yup. i dont have kids but know ppl who home school their kids. they are apart of a home school community. so yes, they do socialize and make friends.
It’s kind of baffling to me how people all over the world live in small spaces due to necessity, yet these influencers try to make it look glamorous for their kids to have to be cramped, have no privacy, be removed from school and friends, etc. most people who have to make a small space work for a large family want to be out of that position one day. I doubt they’d think it’s quirky and fun.
It's cool when rich white people do it 🙄
Precisely! My family had to live in some small spaces with everyone sharing rooms when I was a kid, and you better believe we were all stoked to move to a house that actually allowed us each our own space! It's one thing to choose the van life for yourself as an adult, but to force that on your children is absolutely bonkers bordering on abuse.
Exactly! I had the same thought.
They are not traveling to beautiful places, are they?
The trade off is small home vast community globally. Not just being a tourist
The kids not having access to phones or computers makes it so much worse, they get no contact with the outside world. The parents want to keep them trapped in ignorance.
I bet they do, there's no way she's keeping 8 kids entertained in that tiny bus with no space to play properly.
bingo
I bet the kids have more contact with the actual world around them than most Who live their life glued to their video games and phone
This is a cult at this point. A personal little cult. Freaking disgusting.
And no way to get help since they aren’t in school and have no way to access social services for help
My boyfriend had to raise his 2 much younger siblings when his mother kicked his dad out and divorced him. He had to get up in the night, later take them to school and pick them up etc. She took HIS childhood from him and he is still dealing with the aftermath now. These „parents“ (if you can call them this) are incredibly SELFISH! No doubt about it
Unregulated media showing children in any way should be banned full stop.
The show Bluey hasn't released any of the children's names who voice the child characters. We do not know who voices Bingo, Bluey or other kids on the show. So basically Bluey has more respect for the children than this bus family does
All I heard regarding the kids not having any phones or tablets or screens at all (especially the oldest/teen) is that they literally have no way of contacting anyone in the outside world ever. Can't ask grandparents or safe family members for help if they ever needed it. They're completely reliant on their parents and the decisions their parents make
Also they can't document anything that's happening themselves. Can't look up any information. Can't look at the content they are in to see what it looks like or that people are concerned for them. They don't even know how many people are watching.. so sad and scary 😢
Legit, that seems like a red flag for a cult/high control group. Looking at the BITE model, it honestly feels like they're really hitting some points on Behavioral and Information control by cutting them off from the world and other humans like that.
Crazy because there are literally child safe phones the parents could get them
Right? As if the "divine" vision of building an "ark" wasnt already a red flag for control issues!
!!!!!!!! :(
This is the most healing thing I’ve ever heard. I grew up in an over crowded homeschool house with my nine siblings. There was no space. No privacy. If you were the same size as your siblings? You shared underwear. You had food taken off your plate every day because there was too many kids for how much we had. It IS a nightmare and we DO unpack the trauma. Thank you for being upset at what is happening and not letting it be normalized. I couldn’t talk till I was three, and read and write until I was between 10 to 12. The second you could read, you were responsible for your own education. There are so many grades that I skipped that I should not have graduated high school.
Im so sorry. Your parents should have done better.
Sometimes the best thing about adulthood is a chance to leave the crazy behind and live differently - all the best to you and your siblings.
I wish you the best! I can't even imagine...
That is sad. It ruins childhood.
I am a mother of 5. Eldest 18 (almost 19), youngest 6 . And my 3 older children absolutely help me with their younger siblings. Their dad also travels a lot , so we all pitch in to do our part. Running a household of this size takes some doing. But when I was pregnant with The last one, I knew he was the last.
My body would not have loved me if I got pregnant again.
And I don't think my children would have been impressed if another came along.
With that said, I am their primary caregiver. I am a stay at home mum. All my children go to school.
Everyone is allowed to have their own friends and allowed to hang out with them outside of their siblings - because I understand the need for a break from The people you live with.
There have also been many, many hours of sporting activity for All the children.
from rugby to Karate to soft ball , swimming, cricket, the works. Because like you say the social aspect was important to me.
I try very hard to give every one a piece of me and make sure I save some of me for me.
There's a lot of "hand me downs", but I also make sure that every once in a while everyone receives something new. It may not be all at the same time, but you do get something that is yours and only ever was yours.
As much as I love and adore my children and as much as we all get along, I would never want this for myself or them.
I think we all get along most of the time because everyone is allowed and expected to not be in the same space all the time. -😂
I hope you are able to release and let go at some point. Your parents did you a disservice. I hope you are able to grow and do better.
- 42 year old stay at home mum of 5 of the most amazing beings I have ever had the privilege of knowing.❤
you can love eachother with BIRTH CONTROL
As someone who experienced COCSA from a sibling, stuffing seven kids into one room and isolating them from their peers is a recipe for that kind of abuse. No one wants to talk about it because it's uncomfortable to bring up but it's a reality
What is COCSA. I can guess the last 2 letters but COC??
@@theresabrown1272 child on child. It's a shockingly common problem that's very under discussed
@@theresabrown1272child on child, usually occurring because one or both got oversexed due to exposure to sexual content (such as parents getting at it) from a young age
Thanks for saying this. I never experienced that type of abuse, but I know that the lack of boundaries between siblings is a recipe for even worse crossing of boundaries.
This was one of the first things that came to mind for me as well. Stuffing that many kids into such a confined space, with several reaching or about to reach puberty, and with the kind of parents they are… it’s concerning to say the least.
A lot of our parents' and grandparents' generations grew up with 5-7 kids in a house under 1,200 square feet, and sharing bedrooms with 2-3 siblings, but the main difference is they were able to leave to go to school, hang out with friends, play sports, etc. So they were only packed in that house during the evenings and overnight. Having grown up in a family of five in a larger home, I can't imagine having to deal with either situation, but the bus with 10 people sounds like a nightmare.
RV kids leave all the time to go play and hang out with friends.
@@MaryPetersonCookwhat friends do these kids have? They move to a new location multiple times/week. They quite literally have zero stability.
@@MaryPetersonCook they have no friends 💀 they have zero way to keep a relationship outside family since they have no phones and parents want to move to a new state every week
And the kids are there when they make more babies…
@@MaryPetersonCookthey aren’t “RV kids” who live in a trailer park. They travel non-stop
The thing is, with many of these RV/bus families, the children usually have no privacy or space, which the parents have an actual room with a king sized bed and an actual door. Entitlement at it's finest.
I'm a married mom of 1. We had very little money when my daughter was tiny and moved a few times. She ALWAYS got the nicest room. Even briefly had the only room. Today we are financially stable and my kid STILL has the nicer room. Kids first.
@@JennaNeal-e2l Guess what, that's actually very common in the USA with people who live in houses or mansions.
Parents get the largest bedroom or even a whole suite with a massive bed, huge walk in wardrobes and bathroom larger than a bedroom, and they only rarely do anything other than sleep, have sex and change clothes there.
Children play, study, do hobbies, entertain friends etc in their bedrooms but get the small (in comparison) bedrooms.
With a toddler sleeping UNDER their bed. So do you think they ever forget the child is sleeping under there when it’s adult happy fun time? Or do they just not care? One of the many many privacy concerns for this family, not to mention the trauma those kids have undoubtedly already experienced in so many ways.
@@brookelevy7145 Technically three of the older children sleep UNDER their siblings beds, so don't make a mountain out of a single word. Using vertical space is not a crime.
@@YaaLFH there is a giant difference between sleeping under a single sibling and sleeping under the bed of your sex crazed parents. That's what they were refering to with the emphasis on under, not the verticality of it.
My aunt had 12 kids and all of them have said that it was horrible. They were all split into pairs and had to take care of and parent each other.
It's actually pretty terrifying to think that the kids not having access to screens = kids not having the only remaining way to access the outside world, resources, ppl, etc.
If someone wanted to raise kids in a trapped environment, that's how they would do it: leave them with nothing to compare to, no one else to talk to, and isolated in this little family echo chamber.
THIS! I was extremely sheltered and homeschooled by my eccentric mother. She distrusted things like online banking, thought smartphones were frivolous, etc. Cancer took her after several years of my 24/7 care. That alone was isolating. but the struggle of having to learn SO MUCH when I don't even KNOW what I dont know is HARD. Lessons that others have taken for granted for years and assume I know has been an overwhelming nightmare.
These kids are facing unexpected challenges beyond comprehension, I fear for their futures- these parents are disgraceful.
@@icu3869I hope you are making friends who are supporting you through this uphill struggle.
@@icu3869 what new things are you having to learn? if u don't mind sharing
As soon as I heard that, I was like “oh, definitely an isolation tactic”
Screen? Kids these days would do better without
If the baby was born in the bus and hasn't even been to a doctor, then they probably never got a birth certificate. I recently learned that this is a big problem for a lot of children whose parents try to keep them out of the system. It makes me wonder about the other kids and how many of them are going to be unable to get a job or a bank account when they get older.
You can get a delayed birth certificate as an adult. There are definitely some inconveniences related to a delayed vs normal birth certificate, but fortunately it means these kids can get passports, bank accounts, jobs, etc. Not endorsing it, though. Definitely better to just get the birth certificate when they are born.
Who said the baby has never been to the doctor?
Fortunately (?) they are getting baby a Passport now, perhaps to return to Brazil, perhaps to start sailing full time, so baby must have a birth cert for that to happen. THey made an appearance on the Zatara family sailing channel recently and hinted they want to sail.
Good grief this comment section is ridiculous. Exploiting their kids is bad. But you don’t have to over analyze everything. They’ll get jobs can
I had a delayed birth certificate and it was only a problem when I started school and when I tried to get a passport. I eventually got one but it was a hassle.
8:54 they are probably only ‘best friends’ because they don’t interact with any other kids… someday there will be a documentary where these kids speak out about what this was really like
I just commented. This happened with an identical family years ago and the kids hated it and spoke out later.
@@dez6278 I think she did a vid about that family too!
A lot of kids from the early days of RUclips are at that age where they’re finally old enough to speak out, and they have been saying some pretty horrifying things!
I was thinking the exact same thing. Netflix doc coming 2030: "Growing up in our weird parents' sex bus"
This isn’t the first time a set of fundamentalist parents stuffed all their kids on a bus. Both times I know of there was horrible abuse happening and the kids spoke out later.
I hope that’s not the case here, but it seems to be a trend.
Note on the large family aspect-my dad was 1 of 9. As adults many of them crave attention, they talk at each other but not always with, and ultimately have their share of "quarks". That said it was through the 40s and 50s most were born. It was a different time and it was a bit more common. They did have to share bedrooms, but it was a time when kids were told to go outside and play and come home for meals. My grandmother mainly focused on the baby and toddler and all the older kids were on their own most of the day. She did the laundry and the cooking, but the expectations then weren't the same. So- historical lens would say parents don't need to give their kids all that love and attention- but modern times have shown that we generally doing better when as kids we recieved love and attention.
My dad is one of seven. He is the quiet one (comparatively speaking). This was in the 1950s, he and his brothers spent much of their time outside as well. I know for awhile he spent a lot of time at home with my grandmother...he was the second youngest. He did a lot of chores and his eldest sister resented the parenting she did.
imagine being a child unknowingly participating in videos about your parents getting it on & then getting older & realizing what those videos were really about. I think I would be disgusted.
Disgusted to say the least... I would be traumatized for life...
Living on a bus with their parents making babies on the other side of a non-soundproofed door, they probably find out pretty quickly.
...I'm sure the kids know....
@@InFondRemembrance Living mobile doesn't mean you NEVER get hotels, stop by friends or relatives, etc....
Not to mention that if they do end up in school, the other kids will find these videos
Whenever RUclips pushes any family and kids videos or shorts in my feed, I always block the channel and sometimes report them.
I am baffled that RUclips had no rules in place to protect children. It seems money wins over ethics.
The internet has been the Wild West for way too long now. It’s time that laws are caught up. They’ve had time.
I always report, too. It is too much for the kids.
Listen!!! Same. I’m like “RUclips, where in the world are your ethics?!” There should absolutely be laws against children on RUclips videos. There needs to be a verification that the child is compensated or represented by management or an agency, or something. Seriously gives me the ick. Great idea about blocking and reporting.
Yeah when YT tries to show me a bunch of the family vlog stuff it's a day or two of "do not recommend" while scrolling. The closest I get to that type of content is this channel.
RUclips is such a ridiculous company at this point, won’t censor this disturbing type of content but will censor creators with actual useful content just because any person can demand them for anything 🙄
We all know the older kids are “parenting” the younger ones. The parents are not parenting all of them.
Yup. That sounds about right
The oldest son is their real parent
this is how children learn to become adults, or at least they used to
You can learn by doing little, not being handed over babies for your parents to make and push them out. It is parents' responsibility, not the child's.
@@faeknereddi4782 nah they're "Christians", the daughter is the parent cause ... Women and tradition and all that stuff performative christians yap about
I have 10 siblings and we were homeschooled. Parents were NOT accessible, older siblings took on most of their responsibilities. I wasn’t encouraged to have a sense of self and explore my interests. I did not feel known by or connected to my parents. And this type of environment is great for sheltering and isolating to the point that abuse is the norm. It made me who I am and I’ve had the opportunity to grow from it but I wasn’t properly educated, I still struggle massively socially.
I grew up in a family of 8 kids! We honestly all love and care deeply for each other, but that doesn’t mean we always got/get along. We fight just like any other siblings. My mom had to keep my younger sister and I separated as kids, because we fought so much compared to my other siblings. We grew up in a smaller house relative to our family size, but boys and girls were separated, and we still had spaces for ourselves and we lived on property. I could never imagine how horrible it would be, to be forced to grow up in a cramped bus with all my siblings and parents, and be made to make internet content all day long.
What's a nightmare for you can be heaven for someone else. Perhaps these kids actually like their siblings and enjoy spending time with their family.
@@TomikaKellyNo healthy kids loves spending time with all of their siblings that mu b
@@TomikaKelly Bro, think for once❤
@@rosesweetcharlotte Yes, you seem quite healthy...
@@Candimuberry Use your noggin, babe.
Holy moly the one accidental shot of them dropping their smiles when they think it’s over, says it ALL 🫣 it completely unravels the entire façade.
@@Scooterride13 that video convinced me there's no schooling going on of any kind because they spend their hours rehearsing. The way the smiles drop makes it seem like they've been practicing for awhile for one dumb reel and are completely over it.
In the unblurred video, the teen boy’s “over it” face is even more pronounced than the dad’s. I wonder which number take it was…
how so? I'm not saying whether they enjoy it or not, but as someone who consistently made and did "performances" (pre-social media) with family and friends for fun, I'm positive we dropped our smiles after a few takes. It's also normal if you are going from "performing" to not to change your facial expression....it would be unusual if they didn't. Also, "performing" here is just a word I am using to describe, not a criticism. I don't think it's like child acting at all. (Would I do the same with my kids and post on social media? No. Would I do the same and share with friends? Yes.) While I think social media is something that should be explored more, I think likening these to child acting and labor is a gross overstatement. Again, we only see a snippet. We don't actually know their life and what they do/don't enjoy.
@@robinhoynacki7071do you have a link to that video -I can’t find it!
Illinois has passed a law regarding influencers having their children in their content. It went into effect July 1st.
the whole state?😮
Hooray for Illinois and the gutsy legislators that created and voted for the law! I'd like to know more details. Hopefully it's not a weak law with giant loopholes, and the penalties are stiff. Low penalties would be laughable to content creators making millions off their exploited children.
Woohoo!
hooray for illinois !! they should have this everywhere by now
@@tarbhnathrac according to the articles I've read, if a child is in 30% or more of the content, the parents must take a portion of their income and place it in a trust for the child until they turn 18. The articles did not specify how much they had to put in.
The moment you said the husband had a "revelation", my immediate thought was: that's how a cult starts.
I know we’re supposed to respect peoples religions but how is this not being studied?? Like, if you talk to god (prayer) that’s one thing but god talking *to you*?? Straight to the looney bin
Cosplaying homelessness is exactly what these van life influences are.
Yeah. I can't remember where I was seeing this trend a w while ago, what is trashy if you're poor but classy if you're rich.
It's not cosplaying. They actually are technically homeless.
@@pileofwit is it homelessnes if you can afford to move to a house in their selected area at any point? 🤔 Technically, homelessnes can be a lifestyle choice, but it seldom is.
While I don't agree with filiming their kids the way they are I see nothing wrong with van life. Wanting to take a few years to explore the world is really cool so why not film it and make some money. The kids are getting a better education exploring the world than sitting in a stuffy school. I know there is a lot of bad things with these types of pages but I do see some good things. Film your van life but only if there are no kids involved.
@@peggancox4493 For sure. But also only film if it makes you happy. Creating and posting social content is a time consuming and draining process even if you like doing it, and it would suck if that took joy out of the experience you are trying to share.
As someone from a family with 11 kids, I would never recommend having that many. I was #3 and was moved out before the 2 youngest were even born. None of my siblings have good relationships with my parents currently. Growing up, they were always stressed out and everyone was constantly grumpy. I CANNOT imagine being crammed into that little of space with that large of a family. I personally, battled depression and severe anxiety for the majority of my teen years into adulthood. Looking back I’m pretty sure my chaotic childhood, overwhelming amounts of responsibility, and lack of parental guidance played into that.
I'm sorry, that sounds so hard. :( :( :(
That sounds truly terrible. I think some people can truly cope and actually be successful with having and raising 11 kids but those kinds of people are few.
My husband was number 7 of 8. Same thing. Everyone is still grumpy and stressed out and he struggles with anxiety and depression. I have two children and I’m telling you right now, you can love all your children but you cannot be a parent fully to that many children.
My grandma was the youngest of 12, born in 1923 to a mother born in 1885 - no issues at all. She remained in close contact with both her parents, all but one of her siblings, and all but one of her aunts and uncles. Her mother stayed at home full time and the father worked on a farm, so he was around.
I'm the youngest of 2 - most family relationships are strained or ruined (I get along with my parents and the 3 of us get along well with some of our second cousins, but almost every family in the broader family tree is struggling, apart from our second cousins... who have 6 kids).
Having done 20 years working with teenagers, my takeaway from my experience (which is limited to one city in Australia, but spans roughly 1000 teenagers) is that a marriage between two people built on working toward the other person's good, and the parents' capacity to be forgiving and loving towards each other even on interrupted sleep, appear to be the two biggest indicators of healthy parent-child relationships. The majority of teenagers with really troubling relationships with their parents that I see come from families of two or less kids.
What disgusts me the most about this type of families (besides the exploitation) is that I find it almost impossible to meet the childrens' needs when they have too many: no privacy, too much responsibility for the oldests...
Personally, I think that having kids nonstop is narcissistic.
to add to this - there has to be a special kind of childhood trauma as a result of this. the children can’t get out, they only socialise amongst each other, and the parents have free reign to impose whatever insane beliefs they have on them. it seems like more of a hostage situation than a family to me.
Personally, I think having biological kids in this day and age, knowing the climate likely won’t be able to support them into old age, is narcissistic. However many.
@@squidleyskidleyOh geez. 🤦🏻♀️
@@evie7601this. Thank you ❤👏
@@squidleyskidleythat's extremely messed up thinking.
The more i watch your videos, the more I come to a realization that we need more federal regulations around social media content and its creation.
My heart sank when I saw the beginning of this post. Being the eldest girl in a family of 9, I would like to say that the older children are taking care of the younger children, especially the eldest girl. There is no possible way that the parents are able to take care of those children on their own. I gave up my childhood to raise my brothers and sisters. I have traveled with all of them in a motorhome and it was a huge motorhome. There was no where to escape or be alone. I was called selfish for wanting my own privacy and life and I imagine they all need to toe the line. I am old now but everytime I see the “large families” with smiles on I know that it is for the public image and not the happiness of the children. I can't imagine all the online apps being used to show the “perfect family” but I am sure it would have been used by my parents to make money. My heart goes out to these children 💔 I got to go to school but the younger ones were homeschooled and missed out on a lot. There is a right way and a wrong way to do homeschooling. The right way does not include the children laboring or “showing” in order to make the parents money.
Your Influencer Insanity series should be a prerequisite for anyone who consumes social media, 100%
plus anyone who aspires to create it
Yes. I have learnt and realised so much from this series
I'm a single person, living in a 250sqft studio apartment. 200sqft for TEN people? Absolutely not. That's ridiculous.
I’m single in a 1000 sq foot condo, can’t imagine more than 2 people living here 😮
For real! 400sqft with my cats is plenty!!
How many times have these poor kids gotten accidentally stepped on?
RIGHT! I live in a rather large, bougie RV with my husband and our 3 cats and even that sometimes feels cramped. I couldn’t IMAGINE putting that many people/children in that same small space. That’s INSANITY! And child abuse, if you ask me!!
We’re a family of 3 living in a 1300 sqft house and we’re already saving up to get a more spacious space when my son becomes a teen (yeeears from now). I can’t imagine living in a 200sqft bus, omg.
My coworker has 8 kids. 4 biological 4 adopted. Her 2 oldest were always the babysitters and always looked miserable. The 2 oldest graduated highschool and moved away asap. My coworker's husband is an "entrepreneur," so my coworker is the breadwinner and is always spread thin. They also foster children. Right now, they have 3 foster children. One is 8 months old. As someone looking in from the outside, they all look miserable and exhausted.
I'm sorry, the Toddler sleeps UNDER that bed? That is so scary. I wouldn't let my animals sleep under that.
I think it's a trundle bed that rolls out from under the bed. It's a drawer with a mattress in it.
The baby is also regularly shown lying on a little sheepskin on THE FLOOR, in the middle of the bus, while the other 7 children are crammed and struggling to move around. He could so easily be stepped on or had something dropped on him. :(
I was thinking the same thing! There is no trundle, their bed literally folds off the wall and goes over top of the couch. I'd be terried the bed would break and smash the toddler! *I was mentioning the trundle due to another commenter
All the while the parents on top work on conceiving the next bundle of joy.
@@tangentartists6876it's not
Being part of an MLM doesn’t make you a business owner… and selling drugs doesn’t make you a pharmacist!
100%
And selling paper to write crypto recovery codes on doesn't mean you're in finance lol
It depends on your definition of pharmacist lol
The answer to the “spread too thin” question is that the older children take on parenting roles
These kids will never speak to the parents when they grow up and move far far away from them
My grandmother had six children by age 27 and she told all her daughters when they got married, "do not nave 6 children, you will not have enough time to give them what they deserve." and she was a homemaker while my grandfather was in the army. There's a reason why people have less kids these days because resources are tight. And maybe you have enough physical resources but your hours in the day are always a finite resource. Big famlies can be wonderful and people find happiness in them of course! But it's something that you have to consider when adding more and more people dependent on you.
I've always wanted a large family (grew up as an isolated only child), but my husband and I agreed on 4 children being the maximum amount, maybe 5 if we have twins the last time around. ^^ But even though I am a full time SAHM I don't think there would be enough hours in the day to care for 8 children without neglecting any of them.
preach your shit and im absolutely tired of people making fun/putting down others for not having plenty of kids either. im a demisexual (or asexual idrk) but ive always set on the fact i wanted atleast 1 or two children, most likely two because im an only child and i know what it feels like to be alone 100% of the time but id be damned if someone was just like "lol ur not a real parent bc u dont have 30 children" HUH? its kinda goofy 🤕
big families are so cool when you're able to maintain them and atleast have all the children when you and the partner are all settled with a few bucks n stuff to provide for all for them but ur so right, things are tight as hell rn, so its definitely something u gotta consider before doing
I agree. I have two sisters and even that could be difficult at times, especially when my sisters were still babies (we also had pets, which take time, too). But how can parents be there for their older kids if they constantly have a baby and a toddler?
I have 6 kids also and I always tell them not to go that route! It’s not fair to them☹️
"you will not have enough time to give them what they deserve." - That's such a good point. People can only split their attention so many different ways in a day and at some point the time runs out.
I’m so tired of influencer “Christians” making it impossible for the rest of us “regular” Christians to exist and appear to be normal humans with rational and logical thought patterns. God did not tell you to build an ark, sir, and if He did, then keep it to yourself. As my pastor says, “just because you’re a Christian, it doesn’t mean you have to be weird.” For goodness’ sake
lol, I love this. Thanks. I'll have to use that quote from your pastor. Did everyone forget that verse to 'live a quiet life?' I'm a faithful Christian and normal and live around normal people, and then I have to see people like this and tell others 'Christians aren't really like that!'
Right! ❤ 😭
That man was not told to build no ark. He saw that darn light bill.He saw that water bill.He got tired of paying them bills.That's what happened. 😂
Actually Scripture says the opposite. Not only will Christians look weird, but you'll be hated by the world. Has your pastor preached on John 15?
@@chrys77cross I’m totally not talking about that and you’re taking it completely out of context. Obviously we know we won’t live like the world. But we don’t have to appear like freaks to the world either.
I’m one of 8 kids myself, and I love all my siblings and wouldn’t trade them for the world, but I wish I grew up in a somewhat smaller family. To this day, it is weird for me to spend time alone with my parents. They came to visit me last year and I spent an entire day with them by myself, and it felt so strange, like I wasn’t sure what to say to them or how to act. I realized I had never had their full attention before and I was receiving it for the first time at 30 years old.
THIS! 👆👏 EXACLY WHAT I THINK ABOUT FAMILYS THAT HAVE MANY KIDS! 😢
that's so sad :(
Oh that is just so sad. I've always thought of big families the way I think of big classrooms. There is so much talk about how many students per teacher and how the lower the number of students the better off they are in class because they can get more attention. Same thing in huge families, the more kids the less time they get 1 on 1 with the parents. In your case it sounds like it was pretty much ZERO 1 on 1 time!
That can also happen in three children's families, even two
@@veraaddoyobo8482 yes, that's very true. in any family, a child might not get enough attention because the parents don't have the capacity/interest in attending to their kids' needs, or because one child has a lot more needs than the other children. in my case, it was specifically because there were so many of us. my parents did (and do) love all of us and were very dedicated parents. my mom was a mostly-stay-at-home mom for a long time, and her world revolved around raising us for years. in spite of that, there still were just way too many kids for us all to get the time and attention we needed.
10:15 Britney grinning lifelessly into the camera without even blinking (and then suddenly dropping that smile) is so so creepy… These poor kids.
I know 😢
These children cannot give informed consent to be part of these videos at their age. Therefore, it is plain and simple child exploitation.
I recently explained my feelings about family vloggers to my 9yo grandson. He loved watching the outdoor boys channel on RUclips. He thought about what I said and has since decided not to watch any channels with children anymore. He prefers outdoor channels anyway and finds plenty of content to consume. Could not be more proud of him.
Children, being minors, cannot give informed consent about anything. Therefore, everything a parent does is exploitation. Signing your kid up for football or singing lessons is considered exploitation, using your lologic.
@@TomikaKelly "To be part of these videos" for the world to see (Including all the creeps) and using their children to MAKE MONEY!
@@TomikaKelly Wow, you just love deliberately missing the point left and right, don't you? You have no business talking about "logic" if you can't even comprehend what's being argued.
Dang, I was gonna say “how does she possibly have a solid OBGYN for appointments and birth” but she gave birth with no medical care?! Also, if you’re fostering or adopting, you have to have separate rooms for girls and boys. How do families with all their own kids get away with rooming them together like that?!
Also, I have to ask, how is this honoring God or spreading Christian messages? If that was the point of the “vision”, how does this fulfill it?
@@elizabethkarner6687i think the “honouring god” part is them not using any protection and pumping out as many babies as possible, just like in the olden day. back in school one of my teachers knew a family who did the exact same thing, using the same excuse, because according to them “god said in the bible that this is what they should do”. it’s insane, especially because that family wasn’t that well off and they could barely support all their kids (i think they had 6-8) and they still kept making more. it’s so damn sad
I read her comments on one of her videos about the newest baby, her labor went so fast that baby was born on the bus… that’s very likely after having given birth 7 times before. Apparently each baby comes quicker than the last for most women. So by baby 8, I can see how baby would fly out 😅
Because it’s very rare for biological kids to molest one another, it’s very overwhelmingly and terrifyingly common in foster kids under the same roof who are not biologically related, I believe it was Illinois where they couldn’t stop one of the boys from raping and molesting the girls he was being fostered with (no he was not arrested because he was 11-12) that’s why they separate rooms for boys and girls
@@mushroomwroom It's literally a whole movement called "quiverfull" based on Psalm 127:3-5 It's absolutely wild to me (I'm a Christian) how people will ignore everything the Bible says about caring for the poor, fighting for justice, and putting others before yourself but will then cling onto a completely misinterpreted set of verses and build a whole weird cult family.
Being a single, full time working dad, with four kids aged 5,6,9,11 living in a 550 square foot house I find it impossible to believe that those kids are happy. My kids are surprisingly nice to each other, knock on wood, but that only means that there’s a limited amount of conflict between them every day.
Cramming twice the amount of kids on half the space and not having them go to school and daycare is something I couldn’t imagine putting kids through
Seeing her husband’s expression from the deleted video gives me anxiety filled memories of living with my kids mom. Every time I feel tired, multiple times per day, I remember that I’m happier and more well off single and tired under my own control
I'm so happy you've found freedom from that marriage, your kids will see the change and this will hopefully teach them not to put up with abuse in their future relationships! You're doing great 😊
Just found your account and why are you not more known?! Ive been binging your videos and they are so well made and explained so well and honestly has information I never knew I needed! Thank you!
9:06 child actors also get a separation between work and home which helps them know real life from production and they have limited work hours!
My son was a child actor (started at age 5) and is now an adult actor (20). SAG has VERY strict rules for kids being on set. They often bring in body doubles to run the scenes so that the child actor doesn’t go over their allotted hours. Yes, there is separation for child actors from work but there are auditions to tape, modeling go sees, acting classes, etc. so lots of work behind the scenes that people don’t realize.
Yes. Child actors aren’t playing themselves. While obviously there are still issues and more protections needed, it’s different
And there are legal protections for money child actors make that don't apply to influencer kids. The parents could spend every dime these kids earn for them and not give them anything.
And even so, it's awful for many children. See Jennette McCurdy's recent memoir about her abusive stage mom.
@@milikoshki I was not an abusive stage mom. I told my son anytime he wants to quit, he can quit. He loves acting and at 20 still wants to act but it’s a very tough industry.
Anytime someone monetizes their children, I feel sick. Don't care how you dress it up. These people should be in jail imo.
Yes indeed
yes!!!
Finally, people not afraid to speak the truth. I agree 100%. Being harsh is needed. Sugarcoating is enabling this.
Even if they don’t make money off of it it’s still messed up. Nika Diwa🤮
Your tone is kind and compassionate while also not shying away from pointing out deep issues. I also love how you take the time to highlight the good that you see as well. Yours is one of my very favorite channels to watch on YT. Thank you for the effort and love you put into each one of your videos!
I'm one of 23 kids. It feels like that's where this family is headed. We often looked like the "happy family" to outsiders but behind closed doors it was so highly dysfunctional. They forgot... babies grow into teenagers and the compliant children are unprepared to go out into the world. I suppose I'm glad social media wasn't available when we were young. We also had the religious aspect. The God I understand now vs the God I knew then... very different. I love my parents but it wasn't until I became a parent myself that I fully grasped how incredibly wrong so many things were. It's certainly been a journey coming to terms with their choices. Love and positive energy to those kids. There's a good chance that's a bus load of people pleasers. Sardine can=control 😔
TWENTY THREE KIDS. I have 2 kids and my body was wrecked afterward. I don't know how your mother did it, or why. It sounds horrible for everyone involved. How did your living situation work???
@@Tarlondwen. It’s hard to think of spreading my time effectively if I had more. @@Tarlondwen
I don't understand how they think Jesus wants them to exploit their children and gives a hoot about social media. This is what THEY want to do. And if they say they are living a simple life to be like Jesus, they should be giving all their influencer money to the poor. You can't have it both ways.
narcissism makes you think you can hear god
@@nightcoreeclub I need this quote on a t-shirt.
@@nightcoreeclubexcellent point. I also want it on a shirt 🙌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
As someone said narcissism makes you think Jesus was referring to you when he said repopulate the earth
@@nightcoreeclubnarcissism means you only hear the praise of yourself from God which does happen because God is love. He also reproves and corrects us but if you’re a narcissist you can’t handle that. I have heard God speak to me, even just last week I heard very loudly in my spirit while driving “slow down! You don’t need a ticket!” I slowed down so fast because it scared me, the thought in my mind was so loud. Immediately a police car drove around the turn ahead of me. I had a neighbor growing up who heard God say to her “your daughter just gave birth in the hotel in town and left her baby there, you need to go find her.” She left her house immediately and went straight to the hotel and sure enough, her drug-addicted daughter had abandoned her baby in the hotel room. God does speak to people, but some narcissists use that fact to gain themselves clout when he never said what they say he said.
thank you for pointing out the homelessness bit at the end!! van life falls into the category of “classy if you’re rich, but trashy if you’re poor” situations.
When I was a kid, I knew a family that unfortunately had to live in their minivan until they could afford to move into an apartment. Bus life influencers force this life upon their children yet make lots of money that they could use to give their kids a better life, yet force them to live on top of one another in a stunning display of financial abuse.
Ya it’s not glamorous.
My best friend in fifth grade, Quin Na Pham Thi, lived with her entire family in a van and it was not pleasant at all. I don't even think nowadays people would watch their "adorable shenanigans" on social media and they would thrive.
I’m stressed that my fiancé and I got pregnant like as soon as we signed a lease for a studio apartment and having a newborn in a studio for a few months…. I can’t imagine having a newborn on a bus with NINE other people. I feel like that baby doesn’t get a quiet moment 😭
Illinois has a new law for children featured on monetized social media postings!! If a child is featured on at least 30% of monetized content, they’re entitled to 15% of the income, by law, in a trust account they can access when they’re 18. At that time, they can also request their image be removed from these accounts. If a parent refuses, the child can pursue legal action. This law actually goes a step further than Coogan laws, at least to my potentially outdated knowledge, by naming a required percentage of income.
I just read up on it and see that "Maryland has also introduced a “right to be forgotten”, which is a bill for minors to request having their content removed from the internet. This is so awesome and a step in the right-direction. I just still worry that some parents may have the attitude of "Let's continue to use them in our content "for their future" and if they don't like it when they grow up, they can have their info removed."
That’s awesome. I worry that it takes a lot for the kids, even as adults, to stand up to their parents in these cases. Especially with some of these devoutly religious families where the child has been told they need to obey their parents etc. I think a lot of kids might struggle with having the fortitude to fight for what they are owed. Hopefully there are advocacy groups or something.
California Child Actor's Bill - Known as the Coogan Act, it stipulates that 15% of a child performer's earnings must remain in trust for them until the child reaches adulthood. The Coogan Act provides that a trustee manages the funds set aside for the child in accordance with strict investment guidelines.
Noooooo she’s in an MLM!!! Classic. They’re super religious, have a bunch of kids, homeschooling, saying God shall provide while in multiple MLM, being a crypto bro & exploiting their children that they have via home birth. That’s a whole black mirror SEASON!!! Ugh
Red flag after red flag. 🥴
Thanks for being an articulate voice of reason. I love this series