Toro [GREENSMASTER 1600 REEL MOWER] - Is it Worth $10,000?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2020
- The Toro Greensmaster 1600 reel mower is a commercial-grade reel mower that's commonly used on golf course tee boxes, green aprons and other highly manicured areas. This makes it a perfect fit for your golf course lawn where only the best quality of cut will do. In this video I provide a detailed review of my greensmaster 1600 reel mower. I discuss specifications like the height of cut, control system and dig into the pros and cons of this mower vs. other powered reel mowers like a Tru Cut. This review will tell you everything you need to know to decide if a Toro Greensmaster 1600 is the right mower for your golf course lawn.
The Greensmaster 1600 produces an amazing cut on my Bermuda golf course lawn. It does this because of how the weight is distributed. It makes use of a grooved front roller a heavy rear drum which is used to propel the mower. The net result is the mower produces amazing lawn stripes without any burn in marks that look unsightly on the Bermuda grass lawn. The greensmaster control system is very easy to operate which makes mowing fast and efficient.
Because the width of cut is 26", mowing time is also reduced because less passes are needed. The greensmaster reel mower is powered by a very quiet and efficient Subaru engine that has more than enough power to run the mower effortlessly. Be sure to continue following the channel to see this reel mower in action in future videos!
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@@elliotjordy4309 what pray tell is that?
Used this for 6 years working at a golfcourse back in the early 2000s. Great mower for fairway collars and aproaches.
The main thing that can be a knock on it is compared to the smaller greensmaster flex series, and why we didn't consider it for greens, is the operator input. The smaller 1000 series had the spoke for traction engagement also control reel engagement by just tilting it a bit inward before pushing it forward, which made it so much cleaner to operate. It also weighed a lot less but had almost the same motor power which made it handle so much better. It was a real surgeons tool on the greens with more challenging design.
Great content!
Thanks so much for the feedback aggeman2. If you like cool mowers, check out this new monster! ruclips.net/video/-O8yJFNXZe0/видео.html
Beautiful mower. Looks new and shiny! 👍🏼
Thanks The Lawn Toolsl 👍It had something like 192 hours on it when I got it, so it was in really good shape. I'm enjoying it. The cut is incredible.
Fantastic review! Thank you. Beautifully impressive lawn I'm super jelly :)
Thanks so much Film Makers. I appreciate you watching.
Ok, I have to commend you on your audio! You get it. Yes the mower is awesome, but your lapel mic recording and syncing with your video is hands down the best part of your videos. This single thing sets you apart from 98% of all RUclipsrs! I tell people all the time, audio is the most important in your video, yet it’s generally overlooked! Strong work!
I appreciate it Tyler. I spend more time on audio in each video than I do color grading. Like you said, it makes a big difference in the user experience. My recent content uses better microphones and sound engineering. I think you'd like. Thanks for watching sir. Appreciate the kind words.
Great review Ron
As always very detailed
Glad you liked it Thomko 2. Appreciate you watching the content. 😎
Nice, I have a 1600 1999 model. I love the cut. Have had to replace alot of parts. Mostly bearings so I've had to learn how the machine works. Its aggravating sometime but when its all back together its great. I currently mow my bermuda at 1 "
Very nice Pop and Son Lawn Care. A 1999 unit that's still going strong is pretty impressive. Figure that it's over 20 years old at this point so having to replace a few bearings is to be expected I guess. I bet you get amazing stripes with a 1" height of cut.
Dyno it to see the horsepower! Joking, of course. Great vid.
Just maybe Julius. It only put down 2.3hp on a mustang dyno. I need to get it on a dyno jet. Maybe add a 10 shot of nitrous. Better #stripeaction. 😂👍
I just picked up a 20 inch commercial California trimmer. It’s my first gas powered reel mower. One day I’ll get one of those!
Niiiiiice Kevin. Congrats on the California trimmer. I'm sure you'll get great results with it. The greensmaster is nice but don't be too quick to dismiss how much of an upgrade your Cali Trimmer is going to be over a rotary. Let me know if I can help answer anything. Again, congrats!
Enjoyed the video even though I have no reason to purchase this equipment but I sure enjoyed the knowledge you shared.
Glad you enjoyed it Wize Guy. Thanks for the support even though the content didn’t directly relate to what you’re interested in. Much appreciated. 👍😎
the real Greenmaster, mr. Ron Henry. thanks to share the video.
Thanks so much Rudi. I really appreciate you watching sir. Thanks for the support.
Awesome video! Great job. 1600 are the beat hand down
Yes sir. I'm loving it. Great recommendation! 👍😎
Setup proper sir! Grooved roller out front and 8-blade reel is the right rig for home lawns. Mower setup is everything for quality of cut.
Subaru engines were my favorites, so, so good. Quiet and powerful, well-built. Unfortunately, Subaru exited the small engine biz. So parts will eventually disappear. Take care of that engine, and I highly doubt you’ll have any trouble.
One advantage of a greensmower vs other reels is the weight and the rollers. A grooved roller up front followed by that big traction roller will have a noticeable smoothing effect on the lawn. After one season, my lawn was a totally different animal.
Thanks Brian! I'll do my best to take care of it. It's very quiet and smooth. Very noticeable difference from the Honda on my Tru Cut. Not sure what kind of muffler system Subaru is using, but it's very, very, quiet. I totally agree on the effect the mower is having on the lawn. Every time I cut it, it gets better. Smoother and smoother.
Push that lawn to the limit. PITTTL!! Reel mower looks brand new
Thanks so much Lawn Pusher!
Good video, great information.
That's a lot of mower $$$.
It is a lot of machine Bret.
Great video and information 👍
Thanks Marcel! Thanks for watching the content!👍😎
id act surprised but i already knew lol👍 happy cutting Ron.. leave the transportation arms on as we discussed..
Thanks Fred! It does a pretty good job. Color me impressed. 👍😎
Now i have to step up my mower game.
It's a great choice Bermuda Chris. I have a proper comparison video between the Greensmaster and the Tru Cut coming out soon.
🌞Nice looking mower!! Great cutting width, too.🌞
Thanks Sunny Bermuda! I'm really happy with how it cuts. Still not as good with as I am with the Tru Cut, but that will come with time I guess. 👍
Great explanation I just bought a allett
Thanks Mark! I'm sure you'll like the allett. It's an awesome mower. Very cool that you can change what it does just by swapping cartridges.
Ok. Awesome. You know you now have to build a small green in the backyard!!! Right? Great review. Thanks for all your work. Want to see that .125 like my golf club. :)
It would be cool Anthony. For a green though, that would mean daily mowing for sure. The mower is definitely capable of it though. I'd have to really level on spot of the lawn if I were going to do it.
I do W Jack. I have a nice set of Mizunos from when I used to play a lot. I'll think about it some more. I can easily mow a green every morning. It's not like it's a super big area. :-)
But I'd have to build some unevenness into the lawn for a proper green. Would need different types of breaks depending on where the hole is cut. I never got my handicap under 10. 8 is really good. You can play with anyone with an 8 hdcp and not feel like you're slowing down play.
Those extended axels screw out and can easily be removed and stored with the tires. It makes the mower much easier to work around obstacles. Great video! Looks like a real nice unit, mine is a bit older with the Kawasaki, they sure cut nice.
Thanks Grewvyman. I considered removing them, but even removed, the mower is still too wide to work in areas like been Alex's lawn and mine. I really like the mower. I think it had something like 192 hours on it so very low hours. I'm really enjoying it. The cut and #stripeaction is incredible. 👍😎
I love it man! Nice mower. I went from the TruCut c27 to a John Deere 220 but love the toros. I think over time you’ll find that it’s a far superior mower to the TruCut.
Thanks B Schrum. It definitely does cut better than my Tru-Cut. That said, it doesn't work in all parts of my lawn so the Tru-Cut will remain around. 😎There are certain parts of the lawn that can only be cut with the Tru Cut. It's still my baby. Having said that, for an uncompromising quality of cut, there's not contest. Not to mention the #stripeaction 😎
A John Deere 220 is a great choice. We mow all the greens at the golf course I work at with a 220 and they are an almost unkillable mower once the servicing is kept up to date
Beautiful mower! Congrats
Thanks Connor! I really appreciate it. 👍
Wow, that's a Bad Boy there, really a nice mower.
Thanks gfree301. Appreciate it.
Great....I have the C-27 and thought I was getting a good cut. I have even had people stop by my house and ask me if my cool season grass is real LOL. BUT NOW, i feel the need for a Toro/John Deere/Allet/Swardsman. Thanks alot! haha
Nah Omar. If you’re getting great results with your Tru Cut, no reason to switch it out. The Toro DOES cut better than my Tru Cut does but it squarely falls into the nice to have category. That said, I would highly recommend that you don’t borrow one or see a lawn cut with a greensmaster. It will ruin you. 😎
@@RonHenry I was needing you to play devils advocate and say "TOTOALLY DO IT, its the best thing since sliced bread!" HAHA
DOOOOOOO ITTTTTTTT. You know you wanna. Isn't your turf worth it? Do you love your grass? 😂👍
Great video Ron. I've been looking into these for awhile now too and you helped sell me. I'm in GA as well, where did you get yours? I saw other channels where people bought them off a local golf course for a couple hundred bucks, but the auction sites are all 2K plus. Can you share where and what price you picked yours up for?
I got mine from Prairie Turf Equipment out of Canada. Mine was $3500 but keep in mine it's extremely low hours. Only 192 hours which is practically new. It's a 2014 model. Hope this helps. 👍😎
Before I bought me a used McClane reel mower, I almost bought used Toro. Still expensive I think but I didn't know too much about it so I went with the McClane. Great Toro review 👏 👍
Thanks so much Demetrius. I considered just making a reveal video but didn't think it would provide much value. In addition to showing the new mower, I figure might as well create something that's helpful. How do you like your McClane? Thanks for watching the content.
I grew up using a McClane and then chose a care of sports turn management. Nothing wrong with the McClane, just dificult to find someone to sharpen the reel and bedknife and then properly adjust it for you.... same iwth the toro. But it gave me a passion from a very early age.
@@andrewkirwan517 thanks for sharing your experience. Are you using.a Toro these days?
I have almost 2.5 million USD worth it Toro equipment in the shop. I am a golf course superintendent.....
Nice mower!! No need to take the transport axles off. Being that you are already fully invested in this just get a landscape blade for the tight spots. Personally the roller grinding on the concrete would drive me insane. I have only one obstruction but I hate using the string trimmer because it chews the edges so I am going to pull the trigger on the landscape blade been hesitant for a while but after seeing the way it compliments a greens mower's cut its worth the investment.
From the videos I’ve seen SMK, they seem to cut very well. I still have my Tru Cut so I’ve been using that for cutting between Alex’s lawn and mine. Yes it’s crazy to use 2 mowers to cut the lawn but the result is really good. 😎 Thanks for the tip.
Thanks for all info on your channel. I'm new to reel cutting and recently purchased a Cal trimmer (Honda motor, 7 blade). It does a good job and its given me a noticeably better cut than my rotary. I want to know some if the things I need to be careful of so as to not damage the reel mower. How close can I get to the curb etc. Maybe you can make a short video bout that for us novices, lol. Thanks again, love your channel!!!
Sure thing Chris. Does your California trimmer have a front roller or caster wheels? With a tiny roller you can get really close and even overhang a bit without issues. This of course assumes that your sidewalk/pavement is flat without any sharp peaks jutting up. Kind of unlikely but that’s the only qualifier I’d add. I’ve used both the greensmaster and tru cut along the pavement without issue. Let me know if I can help with anything else. 👍😎
@@RonHenry I have a front roller. I try to check for small pebbles, tree debris etc. I mow more cautiously than with my rotary, lol. Thanks for the feedback!
If you have a front roller, you should be fine. Remember the front roller rides quite a bit lower than the reel. If you're cutting at .5" or higher there's practically 0 chance of the reel impacting the concrete. Again, with both the Tru Cut and the Greensmaster I overhang a tad and there's never been an issue.
I would like to see the Toro on the front yard hill. I have a John deere 220b with the transport axles cut off. I love double single stripes!
I'll be sure to get some footage when I mow blank man. You guys got it.👍😎
Hey nice video Ron! Any chance you could do a review on the McLane greens keeper mower? Trying to wrap my brain around the best way to go... decade old (or more) toro vs brand new mclane. What are your thoughts?
Given the choice , I’d go with the Toro or get a Swardman. The Toro will produce the best cut of the 3 closely followed by the Swardman. The big thing with the Swardman is the option for expansion using attachments.
Yes!!! I have the same mower,and a tru cut. Toro is leaps and bounds above the tru cut. The striping with the Toro is night and day
Tj comparison video coming soon. I agree with you but I'm working on an objective video that will allow the viewer to decide for themselves. Not coloring the benefits or downsides or either mower.
Understood Ron. Keep the videos coming, yard looks great!!
Will do Tj!
Most excellent Ron. Looks like you located a very nice unit. There is certainly nothing wrong with the Tru-Cuts, McLanes or Cal-Trimmers, but the Toro is a step up. The quality of cut will be readily apparent. Ground speed is NBD as better mowing is usually obtained at slower pace anyway.
If the protruding axles are problematic near the rocks (or other obstacles) perhaps you can segregate these areas with something like a metal edging. This can be pounded in to a low height where the axles will ride over. I have had good luck with Coyote Landscape edging as well as Edge Right.
Definitely agree Richard. The quality of cut with the greensmaster is so much better than what I was getting with the Tru-Cut. I imagine the combination of the grooved roller, drum propulsion system, weight and 8 blade reel is making a lot of the difference. I'll have to look into the Coyote landscaping edge. I've been using the Tru-Cut to clean up those areas but if the landscape blade produces similar results, I can just go that route. Thanks for chiming in Richard. Really appreciate it. 👍😎
@@RonHenry Ron, if you decide to try the edging, here is what I do... lay out a garden hose to get the desired shape and curves. Then I take my stick edger and cut the slot about 2" (or so) deep following the hose. Then, I place the edging in the slit, bending to follow the contours. Then I take a hammer / 2x4 board and pound in to the desired depth. That seems to be the easiest approach. The edging comes in 8' pieces with 5 per pack. The 4" height would be sufficient. BTW, it's much easier on wet ground.
Thanks for the explanation Richard. And the space between the edging and the obstacle, I just keep groomed with a string trimmer I take it?
@@RonHenry Nope, a Glyphosate product and then mulch it. No need for a string trimmer.
Forgot to add... keep your curves gentle and flowing and the mower can easily glide along and cut to the edge.
Love the new addition! Could I ask where did you purchase your GM1600?
Thanks Quang. I got it from Prairie Turf Equipment. I really like it.
I'm thinking of getting one of these also.
You won't regret it Cedric! It's pretty awesome.
Just picked up my toro greensmaster 1000. It's an 11 blade 21 inch cut yesterday. It's much heavier than my California trimmer. Can't wait to test it out. How do clean your Toro, I am thinking about using motorcycle cleaner.
Very nice Tony. The weight of the Greensmaster is an advantage. Helps the mower stay connected to the turf which decreases the likelihood of an uneven cut. rinse it with water after mowing. You shouldn't have to use anything too harsh on it unless you're trying to clean it up when you first get it. Cleanup after mowing should only require water. Congrats on the mower sir! if you'd like to see the kind of cut you can get out of a 11 blade, check out this video: ruclips.net/video/A8Focvb3_zQ/видео.html Thanks for watching sir. Appreciate the support. 👍😎
I'm picking up a 2018 model tomorrow.
Congrats!!!
Welcome to the gm1600 club brother. You'll find out backlapping and adjusting hoc to be super easy. I have been using a diy hoc bar for years. Could you send me a link to purchase the groved roller and maybe you could also post a link to purchase the acqugage incase someone decide to buy.
Hi Robert. My unit came with the grooved roller. I didn't have get it separately. I'm pretty sure you can get them from Toro dealer since it's an official part. Here's where I got my accuguage: accuproducts.com/index.php/accugage-19.html Thanks for watching the content Robert. I really appreciate it.
I picked up a GM1000 yesterday, I’m coming from an Allett Kensington 20H. OMG. It’s a tank. Makes the Allett look like a toy.
It’s another level eh Alejandro?
@@RonHenry 💯 I like that it uses an actual bedknife as opposed to a welded “blade” like what’s on the Allett cartridge. Cuts paper like butter. It’s on a completely different league.
Need work on those lines a little member find something amd focus on it and make that ur first pass no matter the direction love the channel keep up the great videos ..I'm just giving u a hard time beautiful yard man I was actually going to buy an antique push mower do u believe if I sharpen it it will give me a nicer cut I understand motorized higher rpms to rotate but the blade spinning over instead of your typical mower would it still be better for my yard?
Thanks for the tip Boe. 😎 I do need to work on improving the #stripeaction with the Greensmaster. An old style push reel mower will give you a pretty good cut. Believe it or not, I used to cut this entire lawn with one for a couple of years before I got the Tru Cut. If you look back at some of my earlier videos you can see. Here's a review of the two reel mowers I used to have: ruclips.net/video/BdFZiHzKXss/видео.html and here's the results of cutting with them. ruclips.net/video/lT5D2VLRf7E/видео.html Let me know if I can help with anything else. 👍😎
How often do you have to adjust the reel to bedknife? I have a Swardman and love it, but it’s not as industrial as the toro. Thinking of keeping the Swardman for verticutting and brushing sand and getting a toro as the workhorse for the 10,000 sq ft lawn.
Hi keyeskennard. I've put about 8 hours of mowing on it, and I've not adjusted the reel to bed knife distance as yet. The mower still cuts paper and has held a sharp edge very well. Adjusting the reel to bed knife clearance is a very, very simple operation. Literally takes a minute or 2. I'm still keeping my Tru Cut for tighter spaces so I get what you're thinking as far as keeping the Swardman. The Greensmaster is built like a tank. Even more solid that the Tru Cut. 👍😎
hey Ron i'm new to your channel, and am curious if you mow your front yard with your toro as it appears to have quiet the slope to it? i'm looking at getting a greens master 1600 and have one area in my front yard that has some decent slope to it. i'm curious how the toro does with sloped lawns.
Hi Brewbuilds. I mow the front lawn with the greensmaster. Once the lawn recovers from top dressing. I'll shoot a video showing how I do it. The best result I've found comes from mowing diagonally.
Ron Henry thanks man, and thanks for such a quick reply! that’s just what I wanted to hear! That is one thing I’ve never been able to find out, and I don’t think anyone mentions it in their videos, but it seems like most people mowing with them have large flat yards. I’ll be first in line to watch that video! Give me a shoutout! 😉🙂
No problem Brewbuilds. I try my best to answer as quickly as possible. It's a lot to go through bit I try to get you guys a response to your questions. Thanks for supporting me by watching the content.
Ron Henry I get it man! No worries keep up the videos and take care of that yard! Haha👍🏻 video editing is a chore in it self!
Ron off topic have you ever used the Lesco 007 crabgrass control
Hi Javaris. Nope I've never used that product. Just the Spectracide product I talk about in my video on weed control. It also works against crabgrass. amzn.to/3e4mqdo Let me know if I can help with anything else.
Nice !!! I see Tge Lawn Tools have responded, they make some great videos with a Toro mower. I believe Brett from Brettsgrasscapades has a good video on removal of the axels ...
Professionally, I’ve mowed a ton with the Jacobsen greens mowers. Personally I own a John Deere 220B. I got it over a Toro for one simple reason... a great deal fell in my lap before I could find a Toro. I can’t speak to how good or bad it is because unfortunately, I’ve been dealing with a hip injury and recovering from surgery.
I do believe your lawn game will take a major step up with the Toro.
Again, great videos and keep up the good work... Oh yea, do you plan to do the basic service in it like back lapping and such?
Here’s the video I referenced:
m.ruclips.net/video/WSI0SAph-04/видео.html
Heya Steve. Yep. I plan on doing the basic service myself. When it comes to greensmowers, like the Toro, Jacobson or JD, they're probably fairly comparable in cutting quality assuming a good setup.
Kris Martel (another viewer) sent me a video on removing the axles I haven't done it yet because the main reason for removing them would be to be able to mow the swale better but that won't matter. The mower is still too wide for that space. That's still going to be the Tru Cut's domain 😎👍 For cutting the open spaces and the front lawn, the Greensmaster does an awesome job though. Just posted a picture of the front lawn mowed with it. ruclips.net/user/postUgwTM5dCJyUrumkKeiR4AaABCQ
Thanks for the video. 👍😎
You going to try and learn the “flip” when making a turn? I never could master it but it sure looks cool watching people that can do it mow.
I’m already doing it on the big lawn out back Steve. I just slow the mower down as I get to the end of a pass before doing it. Definitely different to running a Tru Cut. 😎
Love my GM Flex 21. Granted its a bit more work overall with mowing, cause I have a residential lawn. The quality of cut and specific height adjustment, is far superior to my Honda rotary.
I can definitely see that PK. The Flex and Honda rotary aren't even in the same universe as far as quality of cut on warm season grasses.
Ron, did you consider a Swardman or Allett. The US Swardman dealer is not too far from you from what I gather. I’m in North Alabama and looking to get into reel mowing. Lawn looks great and videos are very informative, keep it up.
Heya Kevin J. I did consider those 2, but after talking with a few greenskeepers, they told me I need to either get a JD or Toro for longevity and quality of cut. I still need to try out an Allett or Swardman as some point. It might turn out to be everything I never knew I always needed. 👍😎
Ron Henry, thanks for the feedback.
@@Kevin_67_RS no problem at all. Let me know if I can help answer anything else.
I recently purchased a Greens Keepers 25" McClane. I am happy with the cut. I am now concerned about having to backlap my reel multiple times a summer or cutting season. What is your experience with backlap frequency? Also, I'm kinda scared about getting my reel the correct height in relation to the bed knife. Any concerns you can share?
I don't typically backlap Patrick. I try to be really disciplined about not mowing anything other than grass with the mower. That does a lot to preserve the edge on the reel and bedknife. I'd consult the service manual on setting the clearance between the reel and bedknife. You don't want too much or too little clearance. Hope this helps.
one thing to note, if you are buying one of these and do not get it with the catch basket, they are nearly impossible to come by even from toro. They are basically only sold with a brand new mower.
I didn't realize that Andrew. My mower did come with the basket. I just don't show it in this video. You make a great point. 👍
Pool table smooth for sure!!👍🏽
It’s getting there Keith. The mower is definitely helping. 😎
My God, now I gotta explain to the wife why we have another mower😂
Keith she will totally understand. "Sweetie it improves curb appeal of the house. When you drive up you'll be less stressed which is great for your health. Essentially the mower is a health device". Something like that. If it doesn't work, though don't send her after me. 😂
😂 How did the mower handle the front lawn? Curious because of the slope.
Really well Keith. Here's an image from after the last time I cut it with the GM 1600. A bit more work than the Tru Cut but totally manageable. ruclips.net/user/postUgwTM5dCJyUrumkKeiR4AaABCQ
Greetings Ron, I'm like everyone else that truly enjoy your expertise and lawn care brilliance. With that being said, I have recently acquired a Mclane reel mower from a friend; however it needs some repairs. I live in the Atlanta area and I'm looking for some reputable reel mower repair shops. If you may know of any repair shops, please share.
Heya Cedrick. I believe the guys at Keystone Rental should be able to take care of you. They service most reel mowers. The Tru Cut and McLane are fairly similar so they should be able to help out. 4478 Abbotts Bridge Rd, Duluth, GA 30097 (770) 476-2999. Tell them Ron sent you if you don't mind. Let me know if I can help with anything else. Congrats on the mower! 😎👍
@@RonHenry Thanks for the intel Ron. I wish to leave you with this: please continue to be diligent with what you are attempting to accomplish because your blessings will be bountiful and are approaching fastly!!!
Thanks for the words of encouragement Cedrick. I really appreciate it. I’m glad you guys are getting value from the content. 👍😎
@@RonHenry Ron I contacted Keystone, unfortunately they don't service Mclane Reel Mowers. However I was advised that an independent company called Reel Works provide service on all brands of Reel Mowers. A gentleman named Anthony is the owner of the company. Therefore I will do some investigative research on the company (reviews, expertise, customer service, craftsmanship....) and let you know. Thanks again for the lead!!
Heya Cedrick. Yep Reel Works is a good option too. I know hey do mostly sharpening but they might be able to service the McLane. Sorry that Keystone wasn't able to help out. Hopefully Reel Works does the trick.
Can you cut Empire zoysia with the Greenmaster 1600 1.5 inches high .I bought it for my Paspalum but I had to replace it with Zoysia due to the weeds issue on Paspalum. Great Video!
Hi Dr. Marder. Unfortunately the maximum height of cut the greensmaster 1600 is 1.25". The good news is you can easily maintain Empire at 1" if you're using a reel mower. Let me know if I can help with anything else. 😎👍
@@RonHenry Thanks so much.All the best.
No problem at all. Thanks for watching. 👍😎
Getting closer and closer to wanting a reel. Neighbor has a Greensmaster he wants me to try out and hasn't used in awhile. Do you have a good video or link to setting up the HOC? What tool or method do you use? I want to give it a try, but would obviously have to scalp and reset the HOC. I'm unfamiliar with exactly how to adjust the HOC on Greensmaster. Do you use one of those expensive measuring tools or is there a simpler (cheaper) way? Could be a good quick video idea?
Hi S Flynn. If you use the Greensmaster it's going to ruin you. :-) There's practically no scenario where you use that mower and don't end up buying one. I don't have a video on changing the height of cut as yet. It's something I can work on. I do use an accuguage to properly set the height of cut. You really want to use something like that because setting up the height of cut properly has a HUGE influence on how the machine performs. If one side of the bedknife is lower than the other, you're going to get a weird looking result. Setting it isn't hard but you do need the correct tool. Here's a video on the process: ruclips.net/video/6ryX4WZ_SQI/видео.html
Ron Henry yep that is why I have delayed trying it out ha. Do you think it’s too late in the season to try it out? I’m currently cutting the back yard at barely over 1” with my Honda rotary. Front yard is over 2” so I’ll probably not mess with the front this season.
@@AUav8r05 nah. Not too late. I wouldn't take it down by a ton, but .3" - .5" lower should be ok.
Good choice Ron, any reason why you didn't get the Flex? Just curious, Probably with your lawn it wasn't needed. JD mowers are very good as well, Happy mowing
Hi David. I believe the Flex units have a lower max height of cut than the 1600 which is why I opted for that. The greensmaster 1600 can go up to 1.25" and down to greens heights of cut. The additional flexibility is why I went that route. Great question. Thanks for watching the content.
Ron, Why didn't you go with a cartridge system? I'm debating between a cartridge system v. the greensmaster.
The Toro cuts better than the cartridge systems in the consumer Allets and Swardman. I wanted the best possbile cut so I went greensmower.
Hey Ron great video. I have a quick question. After Top Dressing several weeks ago I now have a small weed outbreak. Will Spectricide Weed & Feed be a good option for this time of the year? I do not want to risk burning my lawn. I have Bermuda 419 Tifway. Thanks for your assistance. Have a great day.
Hi Demetrius. I've not used the weed and feed product before but it's anything like the granular pre-emergent, the application temps are between 45 degrees to 90 degrees Fahrenheit. As long as your temps are under that, you should be ok.
@@RonHenry Thanks Ron.
No problem man. Let me know how it works out.
Man irony is so ironic.......:) Ive been working the yard hard these past few days, was telling the wife I needed a good used golf course mower, or a new Swardman Now waaaa-la you post this mower. Where do you look on line for used GC mowers? We I kind of thin down my way on options, most courses are sticking tight with what equipment they have due to economics. Thanks again R.H.
Hi Moon. I aim to please 😂 I got the mower from Prarie Turf and Equipment. You can check out their offerings here prairieturfequipment.com/ if you pick something up, be sure to let them know I sent you. 👍😎
@@RonHenry Thanks a million, Ill mention you if I find something there.
Thanks Moon!
Great work, Ron! I waited all week for this video and I'm happy it finally dropped today. The GM1600 was an excellent choice. I purchased a GM1000 for my Kentucky Bluegrass lawn last month and it's been an addiction for me ever since. I've already put 20 hours on it in less than a month covering 10K sq ft.
It looks like you have a wide Wiehle roller on the front. Is that correct? Do you know how the wide roller differs from the narrow roller?
Also, excellent choice by choosing the 8-blade reel as opposed to the 11 or 14 bladed reels. The mower I purchased came with an 11 blade reel but I paid to have an 8 blade reel installed before the unit was delivered.
Last thought...have you given any consideration to adding a groomer reel? I know some guys love groomers while other folks think they destroy the turf. A groomer won't do me much good since I'm cutting at about 1 inch. But I'm curious to hear your thoughts on whether groomers are worth the extra 💰.
Thanks again for putting out this video and we look forward to your future videos!
Thanks so much LG. I'm glad it was worth the wait. I've been cutting with it for almost 2 weeks now and love it more and more each time I do. The quality of cut is just amazing. I'm not sure how to tell if I have the wide wiehle roller. It's definitely a wider diameter than the roller on my Tru Cut. If you have any tips I'd be interested in hearing.
As far as groomers go, I don't think I'd get a lot of benefit from one. I cut at .625" so I probably wouldn't see a ton of benefit. I'd also be more likely to scalp because the mower essentially becomes a touch longer which won't play nice with uneven turf. For me that's more of a tool for actual golf greens. I don't see myself adding one.
Thanks for watching the content man. I really appreciate it.
I agree with you. I think groomers are better suited for for golf applications.
Regarding different roller types, here is a link to Toro's site that goes through the differences of the different roller types: www.toroadvantage.com/greens-mowers/get-greensmower-right-accessories/
I'm still new to all of this, so I'm still learning about the different roller types myself. The number of accessories that can be purchased for these machines is insane (and somewhat overwhelming for the average homeowner).
Thanks so much LG. I think it is the wide one. It definitely produces a great quality of cut. You can see the lines in the lawn from the roller after it's cut. Love it.
Do you have winter where you live? And do you rake your lawn before the 1st cut of the season?
Fairly mild winters. This is what I do to start the season. ruclips.net/video/6D4gq32eFxI/видео.html
I just put a Grooved roller on my Tru-cut c27 and it gets a much cleaner cut.
I can totally see that Robert. It's combing the grass before cutting it. better presentation to the reel. 👍😎
Just got my first reel mower this season. Trying to choose a reel mower was a total headache. I was lucky to find a slightly used Swardman 55 and couldn’t be happier:) cuts great, easy to adjust HOC, and very easy to use.
Nice Marshall. I know of one other person in my neighborhood that has a Swardsman. It appears to do a pretty good job with the turf. Thanks for letting me know what you’re cutting with. 👍
@@RonHenry Hands down that was the best review I've seen on a Toro Greens mower. I think I've watched every single one on RUclips and yours was the most detailed. Great Job !!
Thank so much Marshall. That means a ton. I was afraid that it was a bit too long but that's how long it took me to squeeze in everything I wanted to share. I considered showing how to remove the axels but that would have added several more minutes. That's why that just got an annotation on screen vs. an actual demonstration. I really appreciate the comment man. 😎👍
Ron Henry my pleasure Bro ! I appreciate all your videos and the details you explain thoroughly. That makes a huge difference in my opinion. Keep’um coming !
Will do my best Marshall! 😎👍
Hey have u done a review on a Mcclane gr series reel mower?
Hi Thomas. No I haven’t. I’ve never used or even seen a McLane reel mower in person. Would be interesting to try one out though.
I went straight from a rotary to a GM 1000 and I have no regrets on skipping over the residential models. Everything about these mowers is just perfect. Have you considered installing the clip kit? It adjusts the frequency of clippings by adding torque and slowing the reel down a bit. It gives a better quality of cut if you’re cutting 0.5 inches or higher. That and the 8 blade reel together is supposed to be the sweet spot for mowing at a fairway height. That’s what I’d like to do eventually. Supposedly it’s not too hard to install but you have to order it from Toro and it’s about $400
Hi Dangerlawn. I haven't considered installing the clip kit. My actual cutting HOC is close to half inch with the bench height being set to .625. The mower already cuts so well, I'm not really seeing a need to mess with it. I don't see myself doing the groomer either. The GM 1600 is definitely a game changer. Serious step up in improving the quality of cut. It's cool that you went straight from a rotary to a greensmaster. You weren't messing around 👍😎
Very nice 🙂
Thanks Charlene! I'm really enjoying it. Thanks for watching the content. I appreciate the support!
Hey Ron I love the beat you have at the end of this. I can’t rap or sing but I put something to it for you lol hope it motivate you to get someone else to do a better job. How can I get it to you
Hi Maurice. ron@ron-henry.com is my email. Will look forward to seeing what you put together. 👍😎
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Hey could not get the whole thing to load on email
I knew someone that could really do that beat justice but I could not get him to do a free lance sample. Good luck with that 👍
Maurice this is awesome! NIIIICE I like it. Dude nice work man.
This makes me want to actually get something done. I like the lyrics man. 😎
Congrats on the mower! Im also wanting to buy a greens mower. I wish you would go over pricing. Did you get yours new or preowned? What is a fair price for a working used one?
Thanks James! I'm really enjoying it. Mine is pre-owned. Brand new they go for anywhere from 11,000 - 12,500. Very expensive piece of equipment. I got mine with 192 hours for just under $4k. So definitely not cheap, but a far cry for new pricing considering a what the mower costs new. I'll go more into pricing in my video comparing the Tru-Cut and greensmaster. Should be releasing it soon!
James Hudson they are a lot like cars in that you pay a premium for something with low miles, all the maintenance done, and a warranty.
They can be had at auction in as-is/where-is condition for $200 or less even. And like cars, if you have the ability to work on it and correct any issues, it may be worth that chance. If you are looking for something to just mow with, you’re better off buying from a used equipment dealer like Ron did.
Units that are less than 10 years old and have had any issues corrected by a professional, typically retail for $1000-$2500. In exceptional cosmetic condition, super low hours, again, expect to pay a premium. I have seen “like new” units (recent models) from various brands go for $5-6k.
Great comment Brian. thanks for chiming in.
Where do you find parts for these? Looking at an older used model and few issues need fixed.
Jerry Pate in Atlanta carries Toro Greensmaster parts. When you call, ask for Bruce.
Hi Ron, so I have a tru cut and recently bought a flex 2100. Does HOC are different from each one to another?? Because I mowed with a tru cut at 3/4 and then used the toro at 0.4 but barely clipped any!! I asked someone and said HOC will do differently between different brands due to the weight of the machine! What do you think?
I think the hoc isn’t set to what you think it’s set to on one of the mowers. There may be a slight difference in cut at the same setting due to weight, but that’s a pretty big spread from .4 - .75
@@RonHenry I think so, maybe the tru cut! It’s the 4th hole from the bottom.
@@ahmaddamra5847 Unless you're measuring it with a HOC guage, the holes on a TruCut don't mean much. Depend on how the front roller is mounted, there can be a large variance in HOC from mower to mower.
@@RonHenry then it’s definitely the tru cut because I measured my toro with electronic accu gage lol
Hi Ron! I have a question, does the number of blades on the cylinder have an influence on the cut of my grass? I would like to mow at 1.34 inch because my future machine TORO GM 800 has 14 blades THANKS.
Yes it does. A 14 blade reel is really best suited for the higher mowing frequency associated with lower cutting heights. That reel designed for mowing greens (< .25"). Mowing at 1.34" is definitely on the tall side. You'd be better off with an 8 blade reel at that cutting height. Hope this helps. 🙏😎
@@RonHenry ok thank you for the answer that means with 14 blades the machine will manage to mow at 1,34 or it will be difficult for an average result thank you
@@totodu7464 I don't believe the Greensmaster even goes up to 1.34" The max cutting height is 1.25 if I'm not mistaken. It will likely work. It's just not ideal. If you don't mow frequently, the mower is much more likely to bog down.
Been looking for a flex 21 for a couple months. Hard to find them in decent shape.
Can be a challenge this time of year.
Hey Ron, how does the GM do on the front slope? What is the your slope degree?
I have a video coming out soon that covers that topic specifically DIYard. If you send me your email address, I'll send you a sneak peek if you like. ron@ron-henry.com It's like 8 - 9 feet from the bottom of the lawn to the top.
Ron Henry thanks Ron just emailed
Great video! Where did you get your mower? I assume you purchased it used.
Hi Jerry. I got it from prairieturfequipment.com/ Ask for Greg when you call and let him know I sent you. He's a good guy and will take care getting you a great machine. Let me know if I can help with anything else.
@@RonHenry Thank you. Why Canada when you live in Georgia? Did you get a recommendation? How long did it take to ship your mower?
@@JBSpine007 yep. It was because of a recommendation I received for that distributor. They deal in low mileage mowers which is what I wanted. Shipping took just under 1 week. Not bad.
I mow tees and surrounds with a John Deere 260b, which is the equivalent. Love it, the drive doesn’t engage as smooth as the toro tho
I'm sure it still gets the job done though Diarmuid. 😎What height are you cutting the tee boxes at?
@@RonHenry oh they are a great mower, and they have Honda engines which are literally unkillable. For the winter, we are mowing about 28mm at the moment but they will go down to about 15mm by the time the summer comes.
Very cool Diarmuid. I’m already below an inch. What part of the country are you in?
@@RonHenry I’m not in the country, I’m in ireland so it’s pretty wet at the moment😅
@@diarmuid858 Hahaha. Well that's definitely more north than I am for sure. Very cool man.
Great purchase. Takes a while to get used to, especially the wheel axles. However the cut and machine are too notch. Mine has a powered groomer up front, handy for lifting the grass before the blades cut.
Very nice Tahir. I bet your lawn looks amazing.
@@RonHenry was nice, got ruined with slugs, my fault. now about to top dress, then reseed again :(
The prices on the toro are very high. Where did u get your mower. I already have a California trimmer
They are really high Tony. I got mine at Prarie Turf Equipment. Probably the cheapest way to get one is from an auction. Can often find them for under $1000 in those cases.
Where did you get the Toro and what are you doing with your TruCut....inquiring minds would like to know...:)
Heya Bubba. I got my mower from Prairie Turf and Equipment. prairieturfequipment.com/ As far as the TruCut, I still have it. I need it to mow certain areas of the lawn where the Toro doesn't work. I'm releasing a video next week where I do a deep comparison between them in detail. Stay tuned! 👍😎
For the self-propel system is there a speed control?
Hi Chaddons. The throttle controls how fast the mower moves. There's not a separate control just for the self-propelled system. It's all linked. This is done so that the speed that the reel is turning is matched to the speed the mower is moving. Produces a more consistent cut.
@@RonHenry Thanks love your videos, new subscriber, binge watching all of them.
Thanks so much Chaddons. I really appreciate it sir.
I have a bit of a hill to cut. How will the Greensmaster do on that?
Depends on how bad your hill is Robert. I have a video that won't be released publicly until the end of the month on that topic. But if you'd like to see it early, here you go: ruclips.net/video/2oBX4nN28oo/видео.html I'll leave it accessible until tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully it helps out. 😎👍
@@RonHenry Thanks so much, that was super helpful and I really appreciate your help!!! Guess I am going to do some topdressing now ASAP LOL
Is this mower going to be able to cut the hill in the front yard? I have a fairly steep hill in my front as well and that’s why I went with a McLane. I also wanted a greens mower but, I was afraid it couldn’t handle my hill.
You tell me Kevin. Here is a picture of the front lawn taken this morning right after mowing with the greensmaster. ruclips.net/user/postUgwTM5dCJyUrumkKeiR4AaABCQ 👍😎
Ron Henry 😍
Ron Henry That looks freaking awesome! Looking forward to a video of it handling the slope. Like I said, I’ve got a McLane with a roller and really like it but my lawn is nowhere level enough to go very low. Hopefully soon though. Planning on a putting out sand this month. 🤞🏻
Glad you like it man 😎
Kevin sand should make a huge difference. How low are you trying to cut it?
Ron I had GM first but didn’t like it. If you have some good grade it’s difficult to keep it going straight with that smooth drum. Going around beds you don’t have the ability to feather the speed. For the homeowner in my opinion the TC is better...
K9. I still have my Tru Cut. Unlikely to get rid of it. I agree with you that the Tru Cut is the better choice for residential lawns. It works everywhere with the only compromise being the quality of cut that you get. If I can only have 1 mower, it would still be the Tru Cut.
Ron Henry ya I would go with the TC over all. I’m not worrying about cutting to the hundred of an inch like a putting green. The speed is adjustable without sacrificing blade speed. You GM is a lot newer than the one I had. It was a 1994. Ran perfect. But are great but I would say the yard should dictate which machine. Greens are generally flat and some undulations. I think your front has a little slope but I think you’ll be ok... good luck
Thanks so much K9. I'll put together a comparison video between the 2 mowers for people that are on the fence on which way to go.
Ron Henry you’re doing great on channel brother...
Trying my best K9. Glad you guys are getting some value from it. 😎👍
What’s the best way to find a good deal on a toro? What price is considered a good deal?
Hi John. You can shop around locally using craigslist, offerup or facebook marketplace. If you're will to get one shipped in, Prairie Turf Equipment carries some really nice units. Typically a bit newer so the price is higher. Expect to pay anywhere between 1500 - 3500 depending on the age and condition. Hope this helps.
Ahhhh. I see I guessed correctly hehehe. I’d imagine the lawn will take a huge step. I know mine did when I moved from TC to GM. Very thorough review too. I don’t know much about Toro GM but this made me very aware now. Did you go the auction route? Or find it at a golf course?
You did Frankie! There is a very, very noticeable improvement in cut quality. The more I cut the lawn with it, the better it’s looking. Definitely a game changer.
I got it from a supplier that takes in off lease golf course equipment with low hours. prairieturfequipment.com/ is where I got mine.
Now that I’ve re-watched on my AppleTV, That bad boy looks almost brand spanking new too.
Only 192 hours when it came to me Frankie. It practically is! :-) Thanks again for watching the content man. I appreciate the support.
Did you buy this at an auction, eBay, or used equipment site? Balllpark how much?
For some reason this is one of the biggest secrets of all time(costs for golf course grade mowers), but his looks like a 2010-2014 1600 model or thereabouts. and depending on the usage its had... his mower in excellent condition used will cost approx between $1750 and $4500. (heavy usage: 1000 hours or so will cost around $1500.. and more around $4500 if its only had a very light 100-200 hours put on it) I'll let Ron reply if he wants, but maybe he doesn't want to give that away?
Hi Michael. I got it from prairieturfequipment.com/ Mower was in great shape with only 192 hours on it when I got it which is practically nothing for a 2014 model. Space Elevators numbers are spot on. You can check the website for an idea of what they go for. You can pick up a great unit, serviced and shipped to your door for well under 4k depending on which model you go with.
What were you mowing the lawn with before?
TruCut C25. Can see review of it here: ruclips.net/video/rY2d4SJFscE/видео.html
@@RonHenry I'm looking at the 25" McLane and the California Trimmer. My lawn is 7500sf of TifTuf Bermuda in S.C., and it has slopes . Thoughts??
@@williamleach7274 If you have to have 25" cutting with then a trimmer or McLane will likely be your only bet these days. TruCut C25s are very hard to come by this year. If you're fine with 27" cutting width, then I would go with a TruCut over a McLane or Trimmer. The drive system is better for sloped lawns and it's a very well built unit.
How do you find a pre-owned toro greensmaster?
Heya Todd. I got mine from Prarie Turf equipment in Manitoba. prairieturfequipment.com
I’d also reach out to Jerry Pate Company and ask them which pre-owned mowers they have in stock. They’re a Toro dealer so any mower you get from them will be freshened up with genuine parts.
Thanks Ron - they have toro flex 2100 reel mowers… are these different than the greensmaster?
Where did you find it at? Was it new or used?
Hi Brian. I bought it pre-owned. Brand new, these mowers are anywhere between 11k - 12.5k depending on options. Got it from prairieturfequipment.com/ My unit is a 2014 model with only 192 hours on it when got it. Came with transport wheels and basket. Great condition unit. If you give them a call, let them know I sent you! 😎
Ron Henry, If you don't mind me asking, how much did your 2014 unit cost you? Did you have it shipped to you? I'm trying to figure out what's a good price because I'm currently looking at an 2014 unit myself.
Thanks
Hi Mahidi. My unit was just under $4k shipped. It's a very lower hours example so you can probably pay quite a bit less than that depending on what shipping costs you.
@@RonHenry curious what shipping cost on these mowers. Where did it go to?
would you go 1600 or 2120?
I have never done these types of mowers before... so i'm green.... Laying sod this thursday, and wanting to make sure I make the right choice.
Depends on if you want a Flex head cutting unit or not. I've not used a Flex to be able to speak from experience how cuts compared to a fixed head. You don't be upset with either one.
Ron, I just purchased a GM 1600 SN is 316001059 seller says it is a 2016, how can I confirm from the SN? Thanks
Umm. I'm not sure falian. There's probably a way to determine the year from serial number. What I would do is call Jerry Pate in Atlanta and give them the serial number. They'll be able to tell you the year of the mower.
I’m trying to get one for $1,500 has 500 hours. Super clean comes with tires basket and HOC gauge. $2,300 he wants. Should I just go grab it. Am I being cheap? LOL
That's a pretty good deal Lawn 2 Learn. I mean I paid $3500 for mine with 200 hours on it. So $2300 isn't unreasonable. IF you can get it for 2k, I'd say you got a really good deal.
What type of grass is it
Hi jkickz2324. Tifway 419 Bermuda that's been overseeded with Princess 77 and Arden 15.
@@RonHenry if i have just regular burmuda seed can i overseed with princess 77
You can jkickz2324. The issue you may run into is with the color matching. Given a season or so, the grass should blend fairly well. That said, initially, you're likely to see some differences in color.
Thank you
You’re very welcome jkickz. Let me know if I can help with anything else. 👍😎
That outro tho.
Thanks space elevator! Glad that you liked it. 😎👍
What year is this?
This was last year.
@@RonHenry Sorry - I meant to ask what Year model is it? I'm waiting for the Honda Engine GM1600s to hit the used market but I think it will take a bit longer.
@@piyushpd27 It's a 1600 with the Subaru engine.
It's going to change your life
Oh I believe it Mark. It's already happening.
No basket? You let the clippings go into the grass, Why?
Nope. No basket Matt. I mow so often that the clippings go back into the lawn. Free fertilizer for the grass. If you're mowing frequently, it's better to return clippings to your lawn.
@@RonHenry I'm putting in a new lawn next week. I'll be doing this! Thanks Ron.
Is any greens mower worth 10K? The answer is no. Its pretty much a niche market, there similar to a snow blower with a mowing reel vs blower.
Depends on who to you ask. For you perhaps not, but given the fact that Toro and John Deere sell as many as they can build shows there is a market for these machines.
@@RonHenry yea I don't think they make millions of them like tractors and stuff. So it makes them hard to find. I'd like to find a nice older one, a couple years ago you could get a nice 220a or b for less than 800. Now there 2000