Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D - How Effective is it?
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txg.ca - Testing the new Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D with special guest Chris Voshall in the studio! This is one of our all time most requested topics - find out whether the device is effective and gets the stamp of approval from Ian!
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
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Chris has done some incredible things in the golf industry. Probably created the best duo lines of irons ever among many other things. Massive respect!
Thanks guys! Means a lot to hear!
It's all part of being on a strong team. Lots of talented and passionate people within Mizuno.
So funny I was looking at the 919 hot metal pro or tours and then these mizuno series drop !
@Mike D If you want to drive to Sac you an do it this weekend. You can schedule a one hour fitting with several OEMs including Mizuno and they will use the 3D Optimizer. www.hagginoaksgolfexpo.com/
Tremendous advancement that Mizuno has brought to the business. Going to ask for it in my upcoming fitting. Purely coincidental that the JPX 919 Forged is on my short list. :-)
Chris Voshall and Ian doing a fitting together. I think the internet may have broken. So much knowledge in that video.
And how about Matt being able to call his shot and then hit it. A soft fade holding the release. Amazing
Went for a Mizuno fitting with my Pro, who is also a Master Fitter. He "didn't need" the Optimizer to select my proper shaft. I struggled for 30 minutes with three different heads to hit solid shots. Then I insisted on employing the optimizer, which suggested three shafts the Pro thought would never work for me. A month later, I have a new set of 919s with a shaft suggested by the optimizer and new Pro!
How is the new shaft suiting your game this past season ?
Yeah, you can't fight cold hard data against thousands of hours of engineering going into it. Years of experience from an equipment viewpoint. That pro fitter should have embraced that data. Not ignore it.
Instablaster
Been a Mizuno Fitting Centre for many years. The new 3D Optimizer is a brilliant fitting tool. The Lie Angle measurement takes away the inconsistent readings that you often get with a lie board. Great video well done.
Andrew Ainsworth good to see you on here Andrew!
Paul Bown Great channel. Ian has the best Fitting knowledge in the business in my opinion.
TXG teaming up with Mizuno?! Dream come true!
What a great trio! man, there's a lot of knowledge there. The fact that Chris Voshall is present in this channel confirms the expertise of Ian & Matt as one of the best (if not the best) independent fitters in the industry. Huge respect to Chris for the hard work and passion at Mizuno and thanks for bringing the golfers with such good tools.
Chris feels like an old school mate after Having him in Mizuno videos for such a long time.
Seems like such a nice guy👍🏼
I walked in the the Mizuno store in Atlanta and got optimized. I am 57 and had been slowly moving into regular flex, trusting the pro recommendations. The Optimizer put me into Extra Stiff and my dispersion went from Tennis Court to Service box. I'm a believer.
Murray Platts can you tell me what it cost you?
The optimizer told me 120-125 g extra stiff I couldn't believe it but it's seriously working for you extra stiff because I was going to go off board 115 stiff
I paid 179 per club. The Optimizer is free.@@stevencarrier5060
I wish I had the same enthusiasm for my job that Chris does.
I mean. It is Mizuno!
Sounds like you need a new job :-)
I have listened to Chris on a couple of podcasts before this video. He really knows his stuff and explains the technical aspects of golf equipment in a very user friendly way. Great Mizuno ambassador. Glad to see TXG bring in other experts from the industry. Clearly this technology will not replace a fitter if Ian's experience but be one more tool to get a better fit for their client. For those of us without someone of Ian's ability this tool will give us a great head start.
So cool that you guys at TXG are positive towards a product like this. So many other fitters would feel threatened that this might prove them wrong. Massive respect for TXG and their professionalism. Waiting for this to come to South Africa and we'll then see what it says I should put into my beloved MP18's.
That guy is as honest as they come as far as I’m concerned ... so glad he works for Mizuno
I work at a Golf Galaxy and love this new shaft optimizer. I've been advocating for awhile that flight is king over the lie board and it's funny how many customers think I'm just inexperienced. I try to show them with a magnetic stick on the face that face angle can override lie angle but this new shaft optimizer seems to let them trust me a little more based on the recommendations it's been giving.
Probably one of the most educated human beings in the golf industry coming onto one of the best RUclips golf channels on there providing more education to the masses, hats off Chris!
Chris Mari it was fantastic spending the day with Chris. Appreciate your support of the channel Chris, it’s much appreciated.
What a fabulous review. It's great to observe Ian being so open to new product ideas. It shows how dedicated and thorough he is. I am hopefully beginning to understand the complexities in properly fitting those who play our wonderful game.👍👍
I had my first ever iron fitting yesterday at Bearwood Lakes, UK
To cut a long story short it was an amazing experience
Ive gone from hitting my Titleist 7i 145yd carry to now ordering a set of Mizuno JPX 919 Forged hitting 7i 170yd carry with a lot more accuracy :)
I always enjoy listening to Chris. His knowledge and passion of design and fitting and the fact that Mizuno makes very good clubs has kept me from really even trying any other brands (3 sets of Mizuno's in a row.) I think that he's one of the best brand ambassadors out there.
Long awaited!
In the best of worlds all three of you went home that afternoon a little bit smarter than you woke up!
Having just been fitted by TXG for Mizuno Hot Metal Pro irons, it’s very cool to listen to Chris chatting with you guys.
Thank you.
Great video.. any video where Chris appears is worth a watch.. so much good info.
I was fitted on the previous optimiser and will be interested to re-test on this one. I love that Mizuno have spent their limited budget developing and improving this tool to really benefit the industry where other manufacturers with much bigger budgets could have done it but instead decided to throw ridiculous amounts of money at endorsing pros and over the top marketing campaigns.
There is lot of respect for Mizuno in the market right now and rightfully so. Keep up the good work.
I was like oh Matt has shaved his beard, then saw him in front of the screen and then was like, wait who is that, is that Mizuno Chris in the studio?? Course it is, only the best information from TXG. Keep it up, loving the content.
Just had an experience with this tool with some pretty interesting results. I was recently fitted for the JPX 921 forged. Spent days trying new shafts just on feel and recommendations from the pro alone. I narrowed my choice down to 3 shafts that best fit me based on the simulator results. I must have tried over 25 shafts over 3 days and many hours. On the last day, the pro brought in the optimizer tool and I took my 3 swings. The tool recommended 2 of the 3 shafts I honed in on myself and the 3rd was a shaft I hit poorly. The back up recommendations the optimizer chose did poorly in my tests. Too nail down 2 of 3 is pretty damn good which would help support the point that this is another tool in the tool box and along with a good fitting can help someone narrow their focus pretty well I was impressed.
I am a fitter at a slightly less than big box store and use the Mizuno shaft Optimizer almost daily, but this video gave me a new knowledge to bring to the table in my fittings. Thanks as always guys and keep it up!
Just a big thank you for having Chris visit and give his expertise to the channel.
jay rode it was so great having Chris with us for the day, he’s an exceptional human!! 👍🏻
Thanks, guys, for bringing Chris into TXG and into the conversation regarding fitting. I know you're talking about fitters needing to be better educated but I think, conversely, that the average golfer needs to be as knowledgeable as possible to be able to "help" his fitter. Knowing the terms that can be so easily thrown around and even being able to suggest something else can be enormously beneficial during a fitting or while troubleshooting after the fact. Great video! Go Matty! Keep pounding 'em!
Brilliant video guys.I am an experienced fitter based in Germany and find it hard to understand how you could not use such a great fitting tool like the Optimizer. Well done and very informative.
Matty, I heard someone say the other day that they would like the mizuno guy over you on the channel. He is great but, you are OG TXG! Love watching you hit balls and all the great questions you ask. The intelligent questions you ask and unbiased opinion separates you. Great work guys. Love the channel and have been watching from the beginning.
Thanks Ted!
Wow, Mizuno must be very proud of this device. Amazing guy's. Thank you so much for your time to demonstrate and explain this technology.
Recently fitted for Mizuno irons using this and the results were superb. Following on from the fitting, I love the irons and shafts I was fit for. Love Mizuno.
It’s awesome how much Chris talks to everyone, he is a busy guy.
Great video, I used the original version and was happy with the fitting. This looks like a great upgrade that I must try.
This is a huge win for Mizuno! Creating a trust factor with customers, standardizing how properly their product gets fit, and then ultimately leading to a total population of improved Mizuno performance to customers in the real world. Think about all these golfers' loyalty over time... it's huge!
I have been on the previous version of this and I narrowed down my favourite shaft of the 3 that it suggested and I then proceeded to have 2 other manufacturer fittings end up in the same shaft after a longer process. I have complete faith in this system if you can't go to a proper fitter like TXG. The tool is fantastic. It would be nice to see one of these made for the top end of the bag and narrow down the woods
I started the video before I actually started watching it and looked up and said “Hey that’s not Matt!” Lol
Awesome video and really great to see an OEM willing to put up their most well know piece of tech for review and scrutiny in front of an expert in the field and 30K plus witnesses. You could see the integrity flowing off the screen from both Chris and Ian as they dove into the results. I’m glad you guys waited for the opportunity to have Chris in the house to do this video because I think it added so much more value to the end result. Bravo Mizuno and bravo TXG!
Thanks Chris!
Thank you so much TXG and Chris. This was the exact video I was hoping for regarding the 3D. Now I just need to go into my fitting with a decent standard swing 👍
I know this is 2 years old but this is still incredibly valuable watching it now. Thank you!
I got my irons fitted with the old Mizuno optimizer several years ago. I just went through a soup to nuts fitting with TXG (highly recommend) and most of the changes were done on my driver and fairway woods. I have gained 25-30 yards on my drives and the dispersion is way down. However, it’s worth mentioning that I only had to tweaked my iron lie angles as they still are performing well. In addition, txg tweaked my putter angles and I’m way more accurate now (and I am no longer leaving it short). Worth every penny - thanks gents for all that you do!
Thanks Paolo!!!
I did a fitting with this a week ago. It nailed the shafts I had been fitted for previously. It is a great tool for narrowing down the options so you don't burn out making hundreds of swings.
Allen Wilson right, but I guess most of us like to make hundreds of swings anyway...
Brilliant video and hail Mizuno for increasing the chances of getting a better fit, know where I'll be going for my next set of clubs
Once again another great video and a ton of info on this one! I need to get fitted after watching this as I loving the new Mizuno 919 lineup. Matt brilliant changing swing speed to see if this Optimizer is legit!
I had the chance to play around with this at my golf shop. The owner was so excited to have someone to get numbers. This explains what he was trying to explain about the kick and release. Thanks guys
What I like the most about TXG videos is when Ian & Matty & professionalisms guests interact , they never drop the professionalism-ball!
They hand off to each other consistent positive messages and allow the stats etc to speak for themselves. Also very little in repeating facts , which shows they listen very carefully to each other . Great stuff!
This is really cool, I did a fitting in February and he gave me this Mizuno thing. At the end I got my new Irons 2 degrees flat. I have always been "standard"
Love the video full of people with passion for their craft. I was fitted to a set of Mizuno MP 25 using the older version. Recommendations were close. Glad to hear the massive improvements to the new model.
Great job guys! Great to have Chris on to explain this as well! I was fitted for irons about 4 years ago using the original mizuno shaft optimizer. Seemed to be pretty good but only recommended shafts... not heads or lie angle, etc. Hopefully this makes it easier for average to below average (less experienced) fitters to recommend something good!
Before the viewers and subscribers I was here ever so confident that this team in Canada was the best and will be the best ever when it comes too videos like the ones put out by… Ian is the doc and scientist and the chemist
Well done on the collaboration with Mizuno. I had a fitting with the "old" analyzer a few years ago when I bought my MP59's, this new version can only help to improve the outcome next time.
This tool needs to be in every golf shop and fitting studio. I've been a big Mizuno fan since i got into golf and now they've proven again why theyre one of the very best golf companies around
I used the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer HD to fit myself for my JPX 919 Forged irons. Recommended the C-Taper Lite 110g Shaft and I love the setup. Very accurate and easy to use technology that will help many golfers to find the right fit!
Love these videos just from the point of being a golf nerd. I think the more knowledge you have the better the choices you can make when deciding to spend the amount of money it costs these days to put together a nice set that will work best for you. Keep up the great wealth of information coming Ian and Matt!
And this isn't even super nerdy stuff. This should be bread&butter at every club fitting...
I have used the Mizuno shaft optimizer 3d from the fitting side of things, and let me tell you, it is amazing.... If you are paying for a fitting, I wouldn't even think about getting fit without it.. we cannot recommend a shaft for you based on the bending profile bcs we cannot quantify things like release factor by just using our eyes. Highly recommend it
Really great and informative video guys. I got fitted 6 months ago and actually asked to use the optimizer (old version) as the first port of call. Having played S300's for 10 years I thought that would be choice 1, it wasn't in the top 3 and I now have Nippon Pro Modus that play and feel 100% better. It made my iron fit so much easier and gave me more confidence that I had the perfect fit. ;-)
I recently got fitted using this, and it made a world of difference in my game. Gained 20 yards on my 7i. Went from fade/push/slice to straight/draw. It called my lie angle adjustment (up 2°) perfectly, and the #2 shaft ended up being a godsend. Never was able to really feel like I could load up the shaft with any power, but now it's screaming off the face.
tl;dr - Trust this bad boy.
As a club builder/repair and fitter I knew how helpful the shaft optimizer could be but I didn't know all it can do. This was really insightful! Thank ya gents
Superb video. A great evolution in their fitting tool to help golfers. Terrific having Chris Voshall from Mizuno walk you through the process and see what the shaft and club recommendations are. Well done.
Had 3 Miz DNA tests over 5 years with the recent one being in January 2019. I experienced the first two with a 'lazy fitter' or quick-purchase guys, then by a knowledgeable fitter in the recent fitting. Hard to convince them all that it's a starting point test, and not an absolute test result. Chris confirms this, Ian supports the refining fitting method, Matt cleverly views everything from the golfer perspective by testing a different swing style, building further trust in the readings. Interesting the shaft angle and path were highlighted as almost constant. BTW interesting thought that lie angles may flatten now! Good work guys, hope other fitters in the world see this.
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Mizuno amazing ~ got Matts fitting spot on ~ and we knew in advance what Ian & Matt had already worked out Chris was spot on👍👍
Just purchased JPX 919 Forged with the new optimizer. The first shaft was the one. The suggested lie angle was only .5 degree off. Awesome tool.
I went to Golf Town today because of this video and went through the fitting - I was the first to do it and helped them along after seeing this video. My 85mph swing was Tempo 5, Toe Down 4.25, Kick 2.5 and Release 2.0 - recommended shaft was Dynamic Gold S300 120, Project X 5.5, Project X LZ 5.5 and Flat -0.5 - which is basically spot on. I tried that shaft it felt very good. The head was in Standard Lie and was Drawing about 5 to 10 yards - so I went -1 Flat which should keep it at a 5 yard Draw. It recommended Gap to 6 iron - I added the 5 iron as I like that as my longest iron. I went with the new Hot Metal Pros - the 7 iron @ 30 degrees carries 175 at 5000 spin with a 17.5 launch.
I will be coming by for a gapping session when the new clubs arrive.
These are a replacement for my stolen Callaway Apex CF-16s with Regular F3 Recoils - the feel and the sound is so much better.
Awesome video & congrats to Mizuno for making this fitting tool - it provided a good fit based on everything I know about my swing and preferences.
See you guys soon
Paul
Brilliant video guys. I used the 3D Optimizer when I was fit for my JPX Forged 919 in June 2019. Shaft selection through the tool was great, it was pretty much spot on for the type of shafts I would normally lean towards (stiff, on the lighter side). Ended up going with the DG 105 S300. My ball flight was typically low (even in a high launching XP95 shaft). I was playing M2 Tour Irons, which are stronger lofted. A combo between going forged, weaker lofts, different head design (as you mentioned) and changing shafts has totally changed my strike and ball flight, plus helped the gapping and average distances become more consistent. Well done Mizuno. Hats off to you Chris, Ian and Matt.
Man, you guys just keep getting it right! Always been a fan of Chris, and this video brings a lot of fitting knowledge to the channel. Glad to learning so much from these videos!
Been watching Chris for a while now in Mizuno videos, his passion is a big reason why I have played Mizuno irons for over 10 years now.
I just got fit last week with the 3d optimizer and that thing is incredible. Love Mizuno and TXG
My first fitting was with the first Mizuno System. It was badly off, it put me in KBS 105 gram shafts on my MP63 heads. I then went for a second fitting that was more in depth. The second fitting recommended the Nippon 950GH 95 gram shaft instead, which I instantly proffered. So Glad to see they have made this change. That was 5 years ago now, can't wait to come and get my new bag done.
Got to hit on one of these earlier this month. The results were surprising, but proved to be legitimate as I hit more balls with the recommended shaft. It recommended a project X 5.5 when I had previously thought a KBS Tour 110h was the shaft for me.
Thank you for this great selfless review. Much respect!
Have used the previous version. Played with mizuno MP4 few years back. When the jpx 900 tour models came out was going to go for them. Went to my local mizuno dealer who had the shaft optimizer there. Played around with it. And the results came back with the exact same clubs, shafts lie angles and everything I was playing. The fitter said in all the years he had been fitting he has never seen that before😂 but was impressed by it. And this was with real ball hitting off turf/grass outside hitting. I prefer fitting that way as I have a very step angle of attack so don't hitting of mats to. much. Great video again love these
Great video, guys. I was fitted for a set of JPX 919 Forged Irons this week (6 through Gap Wedge bent 1* strong) and the Hot Metal Pro 4 & 5 irons......all at 0.5* flat. I was fortunate enough to be able to utilize the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D. I have been extremely frustrated with my current irons (they’re not Mizuno, by the way) and shaft, and after seeing the results of my 3 swings on the Optimizer, I now understand why. I’ve been playing a 95g graphite shaft with the wrong profile and my fitter showed me the results indicating I needed to move back to a 110g steel shaft. So he dialed my first two shaft recommendations into the Mizuno 919 Forged head, and the results were so much better than what I’ve been experiencing. The last Mizuno irons I played were the JPX 825 Pros when they first came out, and I’ve missed them since I moved on to a couple of other sets. So thanks Mizuno for this great tool and for building such great clubs, and thanks Ian & Matt as always for such outstanding videos. You guys are the best.
Great stuff boys and well done to Mizuno. Taking it to the next level for their customers. May have to change there tag line from 'Nothing feels like a Mizuno' to 'Nothing feels and fits like a Mizuno'. I'll let you use that Chris, no charge.
Rob Biles 🤣👏🏻
I just went through the process Tuesday.Started testing with the top three but ended up with my 6 recommendation of shafts from the fitting process. After trying a number of brands i needed up with the Mizuno Hot metal pro 5 to wedge and a 4 Fli Hi, Great flight nice length and strike felt wonderful. Looking forward ti picking them up next week. The tool made it easy for me and the fitter to get a great result.
This is so cool. I'm blown away by the technology. Way to go guys fantastic video
Excellent vlog - 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Chris V is the 🐐 on engineering for golf and products 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Chris, Matty and Ian...what a deam team!! I was fitted with the previous version of Shaft Optimizer, but knowing that the new 3D version was about to launch I gave it another try. Glad I did! The shaft recommendation was different as well as the lie recommendation (from the fitter vs Shaft Optimizer 3D). In the first fitting I ended up with Modus 105 R with 2*U, and in the second the recommendation was DG 105 S with 0,5*U. My WITB is now; ST190 driver, MP18 combo (4-5 Fli-Hi, 6-7 SC, 8-P MB, S18 50-7 55-13 60-10 all 0,5*F.
Had a fitting with the optimizer a couple weeks ago. Really made the fitting experience easy to digest and lots of good info
Great that Mizuno is doing this.
Got fit on new optimizer last week. Recommended shafts were spot on. Recommended lie angle was 1.5 degree flatter than I’ve been fit for previously on a lie board. I’ve always felt my irons were to upright and I feel the optimizer confirmed this and I ordered based on its recommended lie angle. Excited to get my jpx 919s out on the course.
Great content as always. Would love to see some discussion or a fitting of a junior going into adult heads. I have a son going from USkids clubs to srixon heads. Lots to discuss on this and I am sure there are many subscribers who have kids in the same boat. Keep up the good work!
All that data from 3 swings is amazing. This is great information for getting a real club fitting. My last fitting (5 years ago) used none of this. It was a "knowledgeable" fitter watching me hit balls. As Ian said, you can't eyeball this. Would love to put my current irons up against a newly fitted set.
Wow for golf geeks everywhere, this content is so so informative. Love the detail...love it and best of all explained so clearly making it really interesting. 👍🏼
No more guessing....great review, very informative. An eye brow raiser. Will make fittings much quicker. Well done!
Great piece of tech! I had the opportunity to try the previous Mizuno shaft optimizer on four seperate occasions over about 3 months. The top three was basically the same each time - the shaft I end up being fitted for was in the top 2 each time.
Great video guys, My new favourite youtube channel!!
I have an iron fitting next week and can't wait.
one thing that did strike me as a bit odd however is the fact that despite not having Nippon in the shaft database, Mizuno choose the modus 3 tour as the stock shaft in the irons i'm currently looking at (919 HMP).
This is great the best fitting system ever finally get rid of all the archaic lie board tests and old school fits that don’t work excellent vid guys
Used this in my fitting a couple of months ago. Ended up ignoring the lie angle recommendation as the 1.5* up it suggested is the result of a swing flaw not anthropometrics but it was dead on for the shaft options it suggested for me to try. Resulted in a ball flight that is neutral and gets up quick before just boring flat forward through the air. Great piece of kit Mizuno.
Really great info! Always wondered how accurate these devices are, very informative!!! Great job!!
This is fascinating, and better for everyone in the fitting process
Very nice piece of technology. Will definitely drop by Mizuno shop and see if they have it here in Thailand. Fantastic video guys.
Excellent video I used this 3 years ago and it recommended KBS Tour 90 Stiff shaft, I got Benross Type R irons as they had the shafts and were in budget they proved to be a great fit.
Man, I hate missing the premiere. The chats really add to the video. Really would love to see a collaboration tool between TXG and Mizuno. Maybe an after marker analyzer, use it as a training tool. Great stuff guys 👍
Austin Lauer Austin can you call in if your not going to show up😂 at least with Bandit we hear the snoring
@@whiskerrub3821 🤣🤣🤣 it seems like you guys picked up my slack
This is some awesome tech, Nice job!
Awesome review guys. After going through many shafts, I went back to try mizuno Shaft optimizer again and it was spot on in its recommendation. Top 3 recommendations were the shafts I felt were best for my swing. The only thing I didn’t like was the recommendation of the same shaft in my irons with the wedges. I ended up changing my wedges to Modus 115 wedge shaft which was what I preferred.
The previous generation was a really good starting point. Because of my speed and tempo (90 / 6) the software recommended shafts in the 130g range. From talking with the fitter we found that they were just too heavy and made the club feel like hard work to swing. We ended up in the 120g range and with the details of length and lie sorted, for the first time I've got a set of irons that are working with me.
Matt just got man card platinum, lol! "how bout i give you a swing that's steeper and a fade..." the fact he called it and delivered....mic drop, lol
😁 that was my reaction to Joshua !
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Great video as usual guys, looks like I'll be hunting down a box store with one of these asap
I have had an iron 'prescription' for almost 40 years that was based on a lie board, I need to hit this Mizuno analyzer and I bet I will be very surprised by the result.
Wow! As I won’t be able to fly to Toronto any soon (unfortunately), I can’t wait to go to the Italian mizuno shop in Turin, and get tested, as soon as this quarantine will be over...
Hit the previous version a month ago and the fitter called me The Metronome as all 3 swings have exactly the same numbers....
Great girls Guys👍
God I love Mizuno's new game in terms of tech, diversity of design, and no up charge in shafts! Oh, and the new JPX lines, over-hauled woods and now the MP-20's, I've died and gone to golf heaven! "Mizuno, they're so hot right now!"-Mugatu
Great video guys! Great tool to get a quality starting point.
Thanks you guys do a fantastic job